Nelson flips on health care public option, tells Nebraska Dems he’s ‘open’ to one.
Nelson flips on health care public option, tells Nebraska Dems he’s ‘open’ to one.
Earlier this month, Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) declared that he was against including a public option in health care reform, calling it a “deal breaker.” But Huffington Post’s Ryan Grim reports that in a meeting with health care advocates in Nebraska yesterday, Nelson said that he was open to including a public plan:
Nelson, according to two people in the room, told the group that he was open to a public option, the primary Democratic goal of reform and anathema to conservatives.
“The good news for all sides involved is that he’s open mined,” said Barry Rubin, the former Executive Director for the Nebraska Democratic Party, who was in the meeting. “He’s not closed minded about a public option.”
Jane Kleeb, a top Democratic powerbroker in Nebraska, said Nelson’s openness to a public option was the biggest takeaway from the meeting.
“He made it clear that he is open to the public option. That’s not a line in the sand where he says it must be off the table for him to move forward on health care reform,” she said.
Grim notes that Nelson had previously softened his position on the public option. After calling it a “deal breaker,” he told Huffington Post that he was “open to listening” to Sen. Charles Schumer’s (D-NY) proposals for striking a compromise on a public plan. Nelson is being targeted by Change Congress “in a mailing and Internet ad campaign asking people to withhold their political contributions to him and other members of Congress.”
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Open to Shumer’s proposals? Chuck loves the status quo on health care.
May 28th, 2009 at 3:44 pmWaffles anyone?
What’s the matter, RNC running low on shit sandwiches now?
The tent shrinks by the hour…
May 28th, 2009 at 3:45 pmMore smoke from the democrats. Expect no change.
May 28th, 2009 at 3:47 pmMaybe they offered to cover his (receding) hairline.
May 28th, 2009 at 3:49 pmNelson flips on health care public option, tells Nebraska Dems he’s ‘open’ to one.
– - Nice photo, Ben. Nelson really ought to lay off the embalming fluid. Geeze.
May 28th, 2009 at 3:49 pmI don’t trust ‘im. Do you trust ‘im? I sure don’t.
I mean, Christ, just look at the hair. That’s Republican hair if I ever saw it.
May 28th, 2009 at 3:50 pmWell, their only options are to actually participate in governance or sit on the sidelines being ignored. We’re going to have public health care. If he wants any say in how that’s shaped, he’ll have to get on board first.
May 28th, 2009 at 3:51 pmMoney, money, money.
May 28th, 2009 at 3:53 pm(They actually have democrats in NE? Surprising!)
“Slowly I turned, step by step, inch by inch”
The groundswell is surging. More pressure.
May 28th, 2009 at 3:53 pmHmmm…on the one hand, Nelson has $2 million from private health insurance companies and similar groups. On the other hand, he has Change Congress on his back.
My guess is he will “soften” just enough to get Change Congress to call off their attack, but not enough to anger the groups he’s beholden to.
He may waffle and he may weasel, but I don’t look for any actual votes from him for a public plan in any form.
May 28th, 2009 at 3:56 pmhe needs a W after his name for Weasel.
May 28th, 2009 at 3:57 pmIf there were 100 Democrats in the Senate and no Republicans, 60 Democrats would vote against Obama on every policy issue.
Why is it that Republicans stick together like glue and Democrats stab us in the back?
May 28th, 2009 at 3:58 pmThere will be a public option modeled after SCHIP where people’s premiums will be set based on their income. The more one makes, the higher the premiums, but they will still be lower than the for-profits in the long run.
Of course, the for-profits will offer a bait and switch to lure the young and healthy, then raise the rates on those who actually use their coverage, pushing them into the public plan.
As an insider, I can tell you that the wagons are circling in the for-profit healthcare arena and there will be a LOT of money for misleading ad campaigns.
PEACE
May 28th, 2009 at 4:00 pmI never could quite understand how insurance, which was invented by sailing merchants to cover their losses due to storms and pirates, has any relevance to my health care.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:07 pmRangel gave the language “publicly financed health insurance”, i.e. taxpayer funded but provided by private health insurers.
Obama’s Reformers have stock options to vest.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:07 pmIsn’t it more likely he’s just pandering? He tells whatever audience he’s speaking to what they want to hear. If he’s speaking to a trade group he opposes a public plan. If he’s talking to public healthcare advocates he’s for a public plan. He’s just another damn phony.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:12 pmOpen mined…sounds kinda kinky
May 28th, 2009 at 4:12 pmOnce again ConProg shoves his size 13D where his tonsils used to be.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:12 pmMedicare is the most efficient provider of health care resources there is, and the VA, when properly funded, is a model for health care. It’s the Army hospitals that suck, dufus…
CFP,
May 28th, 2009 at 4:13 pmThe people I know who have VA healthcare are quite happy with it. They use it rather than their private insurance.
CFP, please link to VA health coverage is lousy. As a Nam vet, the VA coverage has been just fine.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:13 pmMethinks the Senator may have a little too much toup in that toupee…
May 28th, 2009 at 4:14 pmThe Department of Defense paid former Halliburton subsidiary KBR more than $80 million in bonuses for contracts to install electrical wiring in Iraq in 2007-2008. The award payment was for the very work that resulted in the electrocution deaths of US soldiers, according to Department of Defense documents revealed today in a Senate hearing.
Cause Halliburton cant possibly screw up more?
May 28th, 2009 at 4:14 pmstateofthedivision Says:
Rangel gave the language “publicly financed health insurance”, i.e. taxpayer funded but provided by private health insurers.
As collecting premiums and paying for care are 100% of what an insurer does, exactly what good or service would these private companies be adding to the mix?
I’d be fine with private providers, but the private insurance part of it becomes completely unnecessary under single-payer, except for supplemental.
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obamawipe$ Says:
A (d) flip-flop? Shocker!
Weird how having higher brain functions allows us to think independently of dogma, huh?
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ConservativeForProgress Says:
The government does a lousy job with Medicaid and VA health coverage.
Only because R’s constantly slash their funding and obfuscate the rules they have to follow. Things will work fine once we eliminate Republicans from all governance.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:15 pmThe legacy of conservative government:
Republicans wail about how “government doesn’t work”, then they get elected and prove it, and use their own failures of governance as proof of their beliefs.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:15 pmWe must put on our steel toed boots and start kicking and kicking these bastards until they realize they represent us not the corporate whores who are bribing them.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:15 pmWe no longer use the term shocker but Halliburton
May 28th, 2009 at 4:16 pmGovernment doesnt work..so Dubya made it 35% larger
May 28th, 2009 at 4:18 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
The government does a lousy job with Medicaid and VA health coverage. Why give them more to screw up?
I just gotta pull this one up again…
This is the whole problem with allowing wingnuts to participate in the public sphere. It is their dogmatic belief that government provides poor service in all instances no matter what. Therefore, when they run for office, they are doing so as mole/saboteurs behind enemy lines. Their only purpose is to destroy government in order to prove their point that it doesn’t work. Then they neatly gloss over the fact that its failures can be generally traced directly back to some “conservative” throwing a monkey wrench in the works, whether by tweaking legislation so that it’s intentionally inefficient, or slashing necessary funds to important programs. Therefore it is necessary to prevent any Republicans from getting elected to anything, ever. They are enemies of America, in a very literal sense.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:19 pmCFP has a blind spot. If some one else isn’t getting rich from it, it must be bad.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:19 pmDon’t knock flip flops if he got the message. It is obvious he got my email.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:20 pmConservativeForProgress Says
May 28th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
The government does a lousy job with Medicaid and VA health coverage. Why give them more to screw up?
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If you’re personally opposed to a public plan, you wouldn’t have to sign up for it. Stay with your private insurer if you want.
Then if the public plan gets “screwed up” as you appear to be convinced it will, it won’t affect you at all.
So why are you afraid of it? Ah, you’re not afraid it will fail — you’re afraid it will succeed. Well, not you personally — but those from whom you get your talking points.
If a public plan succeeds even as well as Medicare has, it will make health insurance affordable to millions of people who can’t afford it now, it will be available to people with pre-existing conditions who can’t get insurance now, and it will operate with much lower overhead than the private insurers do now.
This will be attractive not only to individuals, but to employers who are currently getting stretched to the max to provide health benefits for their employees. Switching to a public plan for less money improves their bottom line. And a better bottom line allows them to hire more people and/or lower the price of what they sell.
In order to compete, private insurers will have to lower their premium costs or increase their coverage (or both) — cutting into their lucrative profits, but making their insurance a much better deal for their customers.
It’s win-win for everyone. Except the private insurance companies.
So — unless you’re the owner of a private health insurance company, why are you against a public plan being available?
May 28th, 2009 at 4:23 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
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Because history has proven time and time again that public health care doesn’t work.
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Repeating lies and distortions from liars and spinmeisters is not mature. Please give us evidence of what you are proclaiming. Keep in mind that just because you say it and want it to be true, does not make it fact or the truth. One of your major character flaws is delusion.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:29 pmIts not public health care its public health insurance. And historically are you talking about Norway? Netherlands? Europe? Canada?
May 28th, 2009 at 4:29 pmIn a meeting with health care advocates he states “I’m not against listening to a public, single payer plan.”
Back in Congress he’s not for including a single-payer option. Typical politician; lie to your Constituents to get their vote, then sell them out when it comes time to advocate for their rights and needs in Congress.
Change Congress – that’s change we could all believe in.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:31 pmBecause history has proven time and time again that public health care doesn’t work.
Again, no facts, just ignorance and fear.
Good-on-ya GOP, heckuva job!
May 28th, 2009 at 4:31 pmCFP, you really are a moron. I don’t see Canadians rushing the border for our great healthcare system. Also, having lived in Europe, I didn’t see anyone over there wanting to give up their free healthcare.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:32 pmAs a Canadian, I can tell you there is nothing like having the freedom of single payer system.
I have never had to take a job just for health care! That means every time I took a job is becuase I loved doing the job!!!! My salery was based on my skill not what is offered to me knowing full well that it’s the health care that is drawing me in. Now that system (employer based)is crashing down on employers (as it should be).
Employers in Canada do pay for employees however there rate is FAR below what they are currently paying now. In the US, the average employer pays about $8,000 to $12,000 per employee therefore reducing the income the employee could make. Example ….my cusin in Ohio is a teacher. The state provides her health care, worth about $9,000 per year however she makes $30,000 per year after being a teacher for 15years.
Whereas in Canada, a teacher starts at $40k and health care is NOT discussed or required to be discussed. Irrelivent for the conversation.
The reason for the big fight against Single Payer is basiclly about the $400 billion that would be lost as income for the insurance companies. So here is the question….does the public have the right to spend that $400billion where ever they choose or is the American public forced to give that money to the insurance companies?????
Co pays and deductables can total anywhere around $5,000 to $8,000 depending on your policy. WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH THAT MONEY IF YOU DID NEED TO PAY THAT SUM EVERY YEAR?????
What the MSM does not tell you is that we in Canada have a lot more expendable cash because we (all Canadians) share the cost of health care with the single payer system.
Long lines and waiting ???? What the media does not tell you is that in Canada, you get served based upon the urgancy or your condition…therefore if you go to the emergancy room with a cold (on a saturday)you will wait 4hours to be served because there are people who require attention immeadiatly!!! MONEY DOES NOT GET YOU TO THE FRONT OF THE LINE….YOUR CONDITION (IF REQUIRED) WILL!!!!
I URGE YOU TO FIGHT, YELL,SCREEM, CAUSE CIVIL UNREST, PROTEST AND WHAT EVER ELSE IT TAKES TO GET SINGLE PAYER INTO YOUR SYSTEM.
I am tired of watching my cusins suffer….and it’s time you joined the rest of the industrialized world and ENJOY THE FREEDOM OF NEVER HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT PAYING TO STAY ALIVE!!!!
Good Luck my Neighbors!!!
May 28th, 2009 at 4:34 pmSad to say this, but I’m afraid Seslihome offers more to the TP community than our oxymoronic friend C4P does.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:34 pmAgain, we are talking about insurance, not state run hospitals.
The hospitals, drugmakers, doctors and nurses would still be private
May 28th, 2009 at 4:34 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman/issues/healthcare/socialized.html. This is a good starting point for reading how socialized medicine doesn’t work in real life.
True, it’s been such a disaster that Canada, the UK and western European countries have all dropped it. Oh, wait. No, they haven’t.
Oddly enough, my friends in the UK love NHS and wouldn’t trade it for our system on a bet. The UK has had NHS since 1948; you would think that they would have thrown the program out if it “didn’t work”, especially under the Thatcher government. And yet they didn’t.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:34 pmELBruce @26,
May 28th, 2009 at 4:35 pmLet’s not get carried away by eliminating all republicans.
Where I live the head Democrat appears to be in bed with a big corporate polluter. The Republican councilman stood with the citizens against the polluter. The D brought in a toadie at the next election and defeated the R.
There is corruption on both sides. Let’s be objective to save our credibility.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:36 pmPhysicians for a National Health Care Plan
My 2nd cousin is a tattoo artist, I’ll see if he can get this on conprogs forehead, printed in reverse so the twit can learn at least one valid thing about the single-payer-system (the poor dear seems in dire need of direction, so lost in the woods, coming here daily for correction):
The term socialized medicine is often used to conjure up images of government bureaucratic interference in medical care. That does not describe what happens in countries with national health insurance where doctors and patients often have more clinical freedom than in the U.S., where bureaucrats attempt to direct care.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:41 pmFunny I dont hear our congress folks complaining about their medical benefits
May 28th, 2009 at 4:43 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
Verbal diarrhea is NOT a solution to your mental constipation…
May 28th, 2009 at 4:44 pmconprog, don’t worry, you can go find another job in the healthcare industry when your stint as a pharmaceuitical rep is shit-canned.
Sorry loser…
May 28th, 2009 at 4:46 pmCFp, I live in Minnesota, and I can tell you that we are really having a problem with all those Canadiains rushing our border to get at our healthcare. Bwhahahahaha, what a clown you really are.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:47 pmWhat are you talking about? My father and my brother both love the VA. Try to take it away from either of them and they would punch you in the nose, you twit. The only problem with the VA is that the Republicans underfunded for so long that no one can get into it.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:48 pmSince conprog seems unable to follow links and resorts to posting long diatribes, maybe she’ll put down the hotdog and read this (don’t worry honey, only a few four syllable words, let us know if you need someone to hold your hand):
May 28th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Whoa!@ pajamas media is such a reputable site, isn’t one of their buttcrack reporters named Joe something>?
May 28th, 2009 at 4:49 pmPlease don’t trust his ass! This fool probably didn’t think the code pinkers would notice his Republican haircut and snake like movements on healthcare. Clearly he fits the republican level of obliviousness. Everything he’s doing now is to throw them off his scent and demobilize the progressive troop buildup against him donor-wise as well as primary challenger recruitment. Expect tricks from him soon. There is no way his old ass is going to cultivate new progressive donors. He’s lazy and will continue to work under a GOPcentric job description. The only thing that wakes up his type is a bit of baby powder on the hand followed with a prolific pimp slap!
May 28th, 2009 at 4:50 pmConservativeForProgress Says: In the United States hospital patients bring in revenue,” he said. “In Canada they are a drain on the budget. The Canadians do not have incentives to spend money. That leads to shortages and waits.”
WHAT LEADS TO SHORTAGES IS THE GOVERMENT REFUSING TO SPEND ACCORDING TO THE GDP!!!!
WE ARE NOT STUPID…WE KNOW INSURANCE COMPANIES PUT PRESSURE ON THE GOVERNMENT NOT TO SPEND MONEY ON HEALTH CARE SO THEY CAN GET INTO THE CLOSED MARKET HERE FOR HEATH CARE!!!
DO A SURVEY AND YOU WILL SEE, IF YOU TRIED TAKING SINGLE PAYER AWAY, PEOPLE WOULD RIOT IN THE STREETS. JUST BECUASE WE HAVE F***EN IDIOT CONSERVATIVES HERE AS WELL DOESN’T MEAN THEY ARE RIGHT!!!
I HAVE HAD FAMILY MEMBERS WHO THOUGHT (WHILE BATTLING CANCER)THAT THEY WOULD FIND THE CURE IN THE US. WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING IS THEY DIED WHILE BEING DRAINED A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS BEFORE THEY DEPARTED!!!!
AS FOR A HIP REPLACEMENT….IM SORRY IF YOUR 80 AND NEED A HIP BUT THERE ARE 40YEAR OLDS WHO REQUIRE IT FIRST!!!
IF YOUR SYSTEM IS SO GREAT….WHY DID FARAH FAUCETT GO TO GERMANY FOR TREATMENT?????? FU**EN IDIOT!!!!
May 28th, 2009 at 4:52 pmAs an antidote to CFP’s “objective” comment based on one filmmaker’s personal opinion and one anecdotal case:
May 28th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
ConservativeForProgress Says
May 28th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
The NHS doesn’t sound all that great to me.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/socialized-medicine-a-warning-from-across-the-pond/2/
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You DO understand that any link from pajamasmedia doesn’t carry any weight here, don’t you? Do you have a link from any credible sources? Something that doesn’t cherry-pick data to conform to a pre-conceived agenda?
May 28th, 2009 at 4:54 pmMissHCMolly ~ short answer to your question.
No, sorry, no comprehension whatsoever.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:57 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
Because history has proven time and time again that public health care doesn’t work.
…except for everywhere where they have it.
I actually have employer-based health care, and I trying to find an “in-network” doctor anywhere is such a hassle that I completely avoid health care as much as possible. So I’m paying for nothing, since they’ve made it such a convoluted process to try to get care that even if you find a doctor they might pay you never know if what you need will be covered. And even if you think you know, they might revoke paying after the fact.
None of these problems would exist for me (or anyone else) if we had a single-payer system.
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ConservativeForProgress Says:
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman/issues/healthcare/socialized.html. This is a good starting point for reading how socialized medicine doesn’t work in real life.
Some guy’s angelfire site where he cites counterexamples instead of any data? Not a good “starting point” for anything. Talking points are not statistics. I repeat: talking points are not statistics.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:57 pmDoesnt it strike you as odd, CFP, that we spend this much, as much as all other countries defense budgets combined?
May 28th, 2009 at 5:03 pmCFP is linking to a site called Mark Valenti’s Liberty Page. Mr. Valenti created the site to prove the superority of the free market and private poperty and to expose the economic and social destruction by statism. The guy is a tin foil hat wingnut.
May 28th, 2009 at 5:05 pmSo in response to C4P’s link, I should post the story of every single person who has received excellent and affordable service from a single-payer system? There aren’t enough intertubes for that in the woild.
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Xisithrus Says:
Doesnt it strike you as odd, CFP, that we spend this much, as much as all other countries defense budgets combined?
Well, seeing as how we seem to be intent on making everybody else in the world hate us as much as possible, maybe that’s not such a bad idea…
May 28th, 2009 at 5:11 pmXisithrus Says:
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As of 2009, the United States government is spending about $1 trillion annually on defense-related purposes.
Doesnt it strike you as odd, CFP, that we spend this much, as much as all other countries defense budgets combined?
Thank you…you hit the nail on the head!!! The government cares more about killing and taking over counties then caring for its citizens.
AND DON’T GIVE ME THE EXCUSE “PROTECTING OUR NATION”!!! THE US HAS ENOUGH NUCLEAR WEPONS TO DISTROY THIS WORLD COMPLETLY A HUNDRED TIMES OVER. SO TELL ME, WHO IS GOING TO ATTACK THE US???? ANSWER THAT MILITARY INDUSTRIALIZED COMPLEX?????
OH BY THE WAY….THERE ARE 190 COUNTRIES IN THIS WORLD…AND THE US HAS BASES IN 130 COUNTRIES. DO YOU SEE WHY THE REST OF THE WORLD DOESN’T GIVE A SHIT IF THE US COLLAPSES FIANCIALLY !!!
May 28th, 2009 at 5:16 pmIts much better to destroy than create
May 28th, 2009 at 5:21 pm/snark
Predictably, when CFP is faced with actual data that confounds his talking points, he scampers off to soil another thread.
May 28th, 2009 at 5:24 pmConservativeForProgress Says
May 28th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Because history has proven time and time again that public health care doesn’t work.
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The most obvious question here is, “if public health care doesn’t work, why do so many countries have government-paid health insurance?” I would think that if it doesn’t work, surely Norway, Sweden, the Netherlands, Canada, the United Kingdom, France, and many other countries would have ditched their public health systems by now.
But a more pertinent point to make here is that you are making an irrelevant argument. The topic here is not a public health system in the mold of what they have in Canada or the UK. What we’re talking about here is establishing a public health plan THAT WILL COMPETE WITH PRIVATE PLANS in the United States — not replace them.
In other words, you need to be regaling us with horror stories about Medicare, not Britain’s NHS. A public health plan here would be similar to Medicare, but without an age restriction. And it would be paid for by those who use it, not the taxpayers — just as Medicare is paid for by those who use it.
And before you trash Medicare, I’d just like to point out a couple of things. My husband is over 65, and Medicare is his primary insurance provider. I’m not quite there yet, so I have a private insurance plan through my employer. My husband can choose pretty much any doctor he wants (except for a handful in our area who don’t accept Medicare patients — but those are few). I am limited to doctors in my insurer’s “preferred network” — a much smaller selection than my husband gets. My husband’s doctor treats my husband by ordering tests the doctor thinks are necessary and prescribing necessary medication. My doctor tries to do the same for me, but has to get permission from my insurance company to do so a good deal of the time. I have to pay co-pays whenever I visit my doctor. My husband doesn’t. If my husband needs to see a specialist (such as a urologist or a podiatrist), he sees one. I have to see my regular doctor (and pay a co-pay) to get a referral. And my husband doesn’t have to wait any longer than I do for an appointment. So from where I sit, my husband’s “government” plan appears to work a lot better than my “private” plan.
If you don’t want to be on a public health plan, you don’t have to be. Simple as that. So what do you have against that? And can you answer that in your own words without cutting and pasting from elsewhere? And can you answer it without talking about the health systems of countries that bear no resemblance to what’s being proposed here?
May 28th, 2009 at 5:39 pmI CAN’T TAKE ANYTHING THAT MAN NELSON SAYS SERIOUSLY.
He’s walking around with a dead squirrel on his head.
May 28th, 2009 at 6:05 pmNelson’s been skating on thin ice.
May 28th, 2009 at 6:05 pmgummble-bee-itch Says:
Predictably, when CFP is faced with actual data that confounds his talking points, he scampers off to soil another thread.
Those kind of guys are very loud in voicing OPINIONS,
May 28th, 2009 at 6:08 pmthey’re not real big on facts.
Their world is not reality based.
A right winger in the Bush Administration once said “we create our own reality”
I think that explains a lot.
CFP:
Your link is a right wing talking point site supported by industry who does not want what is best of the American people. You are brain dead.
May 28th, 2009 at 6:20 pmWell good on you Senator.
I just can’t see how anyone can continue to support an expensive, TEMPORARY, Sickness & Injury Medical Insurance system that makes its money not by PROVIDING Health Care, but by DENYING access to Health Care.
We need to INVEST in a Universal Single Payer Health Care System, it last a lifetime.
May 28th, 2009 at 6:53 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
Waffles anyone?
and these are the best waffles too.
We have the best Congress money can buy….. quote Michael Moore.
Anyone that deflects from the money bribing special interest groups towards the interest and good of the people is correctly doing their job and a hero.
May 28th, 2009 at 7:24 pmConservativeForProgress Says
May 28th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Because history has proven time and time again that public health care doesn’t work.
Absolutely wrong.
It does work in the other industrialized countries all of which, except US use. Other countries look at US as if we are crazy for putting up with this greedy for profit system and you see none of them standing in line to convert.
How much pain would it cause if for profit insurance – the middleman with an over head somewhere around 20%, was eliminated and replaced by a system with a 3% over head?
The GNOP desperately fight single payer because if passes, it would be a huge boost to the dems and the absolute end of their party.
Very sad that goppers play with the lives of others for political reasons.
May 28th, 2009 at 7:44 pmI’m glad Change Congress contacted me I’m withholding my annual contributions to Nelson until this health care reform is passed with a public option.
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May 29th, 2009 at 6:11 amIt would be nice if our “annual contributions” to this Jack-Ass really mattered…but truth is he gets plenty of “campaign donations” and special “percs” from the private Health Care industry..he doesn’t need our donations or our approval…also does Max Baucus..and quite a few others in Congress…corporate money does the talking..what we the people have to say or want..has nothing to do with their idea of democracy (of the people, by the people, for the people) money talks, so “we the people” have no representation…but we DO have votes..(don’t we?) and the right to abolish government when it refuses to “address our grievances”……….
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:38 pm