Obama Administration Files Petition To Block Uighurs From Entering U.S., Praises Gitmo Conditions
Obama Administration Files Petition To Block Uighurs From Entering U.S., Praises Gitmo Conditions
The Obama administration filed a petition with the Supreme Court on Friday asking the Court to block the 17 Chinese Uighurs detained at Guantanamo from entering the United States — this, despite a court ruling last year ordering their release. The petition argues that the Uighurs “have already obtained relief” and that the government had no legal obligation to settle them in the U.S.:
Petitioners have already obtained relief. They are no longer being detained as enemy combatants, they are free to leave Guantanamo Bay to go to any country that is willing to accept them, and in the meantime, they are housed in facilities separate from those for enemy combatants under the least restrictive conditions practicable. Moreover, the government is actively seeking to resettle petitioners, and the President has ordered the closure of the Guantanamo Bay detention facility by January 22, 2010. [...]
Petitioners’ continued presence at Guantanamo Bay is not unlawful detention, but rather the consequence of their lawful exclusion from the United States, under the constitutional exercise of authority by the political Branches, coupled with the unavailability of another country willing to accept them. Because the bar to petitioners’ entry into the United States is constitutionally valid, their resulting harborage at Guantanamo Bay is constitutional as well.
Somewhat shockingly, as ABC’s Jake Tapper notes, the Obama administration’s petition suggests that the Uighurs’ imprisonment “isn’t so bad,” and trumpets their comfy quarters at Guantanamo:
“In contrast to individuals currently detained as enemies under the laws of war, petitioners are being housed under relatively unrestrictive conditions, given the status of Guantanamo Bay as a United States military base,” Kagan writes, saying they are “in special communal housing with access to all areas of their camp, including an outdoor recreation space and picnic area.” They “sleep in an air-conditioned bunk house and have the use of an activity room equipped with various recreational items, including a television with VCR and DVD players, a stereo system, and sports equipment.”
Furthermore, the petition cites the Senate’s recent vote to block Guantanamo detainees from entering the U.S. as further reason to deny their release — despite the fact the vote was in defiance of a White House request. The petition comes just a week after President Obama, in a speech defending his plan to close Guantanamo, declared that “the wrong answer is to pretend like this problem will go away if we maintain an unsustainable status quo.”
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Okay, so why isnt China willing to take them back?
May 30th, 2009 at 11:37 pmFrom the article:
FEAR AND SMEAR prevails once more.
May 30th, 2009 at 11:52 pmI’m sure China would love to take back Uighur separatists…
Even remaining in the “minimum security wing” at Guantanamo would have to be a vast improvement over the conditions they would suffer if they were sent back to China.
May 30th, 2009 at 11:53 pm@Xisthrus:
China considers Uighers to be terrorists. Letting them come back home would pretty much require that China admit that it lied when it said Uighers were terrorists.
May 30th, 2009 at 11:55 pmActually, they are refugees at this point. They don’t want to return to China. I’m curious to know what they do want. It’s doubtful they all want the same thing. Finding them homes may be a long process of negotiation between possible host nations and individual former-prisoners. Imagine yourself in their position. Where would you want to go?
May 30th, 2009 at 11:57 pmAnother example of the mess bushie left Obama
May 30th, 2009 at 11:58 pmThey would not last long in China:
May 30th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
There was a documentary done about them called “Getting Out of Gitmo”. You can see it online here:
Democracy Now! did a report about it, too:
May 31st, 2009 at 12:06 am
Thanks for the replies =)
May 31st, 2009 at 12:08 amGetting Out of Gitmo:
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/albania801/
Democracy Now!:
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/1/30/long_cleared_of_terrorism_charges_uighurs
May 31st, 2009 at 12:11 amBriseadh na Firefly Says:
From the article:
The Senate voted 90-6 Wednesday to strip money from emergency-spending legislation to close the Guantanamo Bay detainee facility …
THERE’s the answer to my question: why did reid bring up that vote… i suppose i could have thought and dug deeper…
but, i was about to say – so THIS is why reid brought up a vote to fail: the petition cites the Senate’s recent vote to block Guantanamo detainees from entering the U.S. as further reason to deny their release …
so confused…
except now i realize that vote was on emergency spending and not a stand alone… still an embarrassment…
May 31st, 2009 at 12:16 amWhere was President Obama that one during all of this? Putting mustard on his burger and taking a stroll down Harlem with his wife?
(Sorry, I’m in troll-designate mode, still reeling in amusement from the RNC taking issue — yes, taking issue — with President Obama taking Michelle out to NYC on an after-work outing.)
May 31st, 2009 at 12:23 amWhy aren’t my posts posting?
May 31st, 2009 at 12:27 amI think this is extremely disturbing. The Uighers are in a “Catch-22″ position. They can’t leave Gitmo because no country will take them, including the U.S. “Petitioners have already obtained relief. They are no longer being detained as enemy combatants, they are free to leave Guantanamo Bay to go to any country that is willing to accept them.”
I don’t care if they are living in a palace, they are still prisoners. They were ordered to be released by a federal court in 2004, because there was no evidence against them – FIVE years ago. They have been held prisoner for 8 years now without charges.
Frankly, I have a bad feeling that Gitmo will NEVER be closed. The U.S., as it stands now, is refusing to transfer any of the detainees to prisons in the U.S. The European countries that had indicated that they would take at least some detainees are now wavering…why should they do so if the U.S. isn’t willing to do the same?
Is this the fate of so many, some of who may be truly guilty and larger numbers who probably are innocent?
Last thing I remember, I was
May 31st, 2009 at 12:27 amRunning for the door
I had to find the passage back
To the place I was before
‘Relax,’ said the night man,
‘We are programmed to receive.
You can check-out any time you like,
But you can never leave!’
O.K. Third time is a charm. The courts already overturned the decision that they must be released in the U.S.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:28 am
What a travesty.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:35 amScratch “allow an alien to”.
My husband and I spent 6 months of grueling work together, parsing paperwork to get his green card. He was a graduate student. I can’t imagine what it’s going to take to rectify the bureaucratic/legal clusterphucks that BushCo. has created. The State Department should have a full calendar, and might want to hire more multilingual lawyers.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:35 amex-husband
May 31st, 2009 at 12:38 amwiley Says:
O.K. Third time is a charm. The courts already overturned the decision that they must be released in the U.S.
…the court held that petitioners do not a have a due process right to be brought into the United States outside the framework of the immigration laws and without regard to the view of the Executive Branch.
The court distinguished between an order of “simple release,” and an order overriding the decision of the political Branches not to enter the United States.allow an alien to
Wiley, please post the link regarding the 2004 court decision being overturned.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:53 amSorry, I’m feeling very lazy, and about to watch a movie. It’s the first link in the blog post.
asking the Court to block the 17 Chinese Uighurs
May 31st, 2009 at 1:07 amWiley, ok. I hadn’t read the petition from the administration to the Supreme Court previously. I can see that a federal appeals court overturned the district court’s decision that the Uighurs should be released. So at this point, it’s before the SCOTUS who may or may not take the case for review. I haven’t been following this case as closely, perhaps, as I should have. Unfortunately, re-reading it now, TP’s posting is misleading, and doesn’t even directly mention the appeal court having overturned the original decision. At any rate, it doesn’t change my opinion that what has been done to these men is just plain wrong. And to see it continued by the Obama administration, who I had enormous hopes would reverse the human rights travesties we’ve seen in the past 8 years, breaks my heart.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:46 amAnd to see it continued by the Obama administration, who I had enormous hopes would reverse the human rights travesties we’ve seen in the past 8 years, breaks my heart.
winddancer Says:
Well, besides a few gay rights here, and a Supreme Court nominee there, I’m seeing Bush 3 all over our foriegn policy.
May 31st, 2009 at 2:59 amforiegn policy
Sorry… meant ‘foreign’…. you know, ‘i’ before ‘e’ and all those other useless shortcuts we thought we had learned.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:07 amI expect to be disappointed with presidents on foreign policy. I’d like to see Progressives make a lot more noise about it. A general American indifference to foreign policy, and failure to keep up enough on other events in the world to keep from being totally bamboozled with such things as the idea that Iraq was a threat to us is our Achille’s heel.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:37 amwinddancer at 14 and 21, you speak for me, too. Can forgive Obama many broken promises because that’s what’s politicians do. But I can not let this doubleplusgood duckspeak from POTUS 44 pass. BHO, a former scholar of U.S. Constitutional Law, has condemned the 17 Uighurs as political prisoners. From on high, he has cursed them as Cains.
A shadow has moved in front of the sun. There is darkness at noon and sadness weighs heavy on hearts who hold justice dearly. By any standard of civilization, Obama has betrayed the last and the greatest……of human dreams.
He’s lost me.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:06 amResettle these innocent men in the US is the least the administration should do after what was done (and is being done) to them
May 31st, 2009 at 6:11 amBush:The Atrocity that keeps giving.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:33 am“thePrez” is clearly hoping a Category 7 hurricane this summer will sweep across the camp and wash all those nasty people right outta his hair.
Oh, there’s no such think as a Cat 7 hurricane?
Oh…Well we can always take ‘em up in choppers, like we did in Nam, toss ‘em out over the ocean, and shoot ‘em as they try to “escape…”
May 31st, 2009 at 8:41 amMerdad, try to keep up will ya, this thread is not about Sotomayor.
May 31st, 2009 at 9:12 amThe Uighurs are….as Bob Dylan would say….Only Pawns in the Game.
What Game???
From Richard Clarke in Todays Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/29/AR2009052901560.html
“Thus, when Bush’s inner circle first really came to grips with the threat of terrorism (911), they did so in a state of shock …Fearful of new attacks, they authorized the most extreme measures available, without assessing whether they were really a good idea.
I believe this zeal stemmed in part from CONCERNS about the 2004 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. Many in the White House feared that their inaction prior to the attacks would be publicly detailed before the next vote — which is why they resisted the 9/11 commission — and that a second attack would eliminate any chance of a second Bush term. So they decided to leave no doubt that they had done everything imaginable.”
Apparently this included rounding up and demonizing innocent people like the Uighurs
May 31st, 2009 at 9:29 amWhat is amazing to me is that after months, and seemingly for a continuing indeterminate period, we will continue to have front and center debate on issues and catastrophes which are a direct result of Bush administration crimes and incompetencies. I can’t ever remember a time (except for the Viet Nam War), where another administration’s errors consumed the next administration and public discourse for so long a period.
May 31st, 2009 at 9:34 amMerdad, posting the same things you posted on another blog entry, failing to cite your sources, resorting to other people’s words and quotes as your own…
I’m sorry, man, but you’ve got to stop being lazy about your entries. Take some time to construct some intelligent discourse that is from your own persona. Otherwise, you’re being the true embodiment of the “Dittohead” militia.
May 31st, 2009 at 9:56 amDespicable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And disappointing.
May 31st, 2009 at 9:57 amMy sympathy for Obama’s inherited mess is running out. More and more he sounds like Cheyney and his pet monkey. Take the hit, do the right thing. It may be uncomfortable in the short run, but will get your mug on a coin in the future. Something that will never happen for the stooge you replaced.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:01 amShame on Obama. The Uigers should be able to claim political asylum to be resettled in the US because if they were returned to China they would certainly be prosecuted as terrorists.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:18 ammerdad,
when last I read your posts, I thought you were writing satire, as they were such a hackneyed spewing of right-wing talking point. Sadly, that no longer appears to be the case. It appears you are incapable of doing anything but repeating the talking points of others without applying any individual thinking processes.
Your use of texting spellings portrays you as a juvenile, which may explain your lack of critical thinking processes.
You’ve been reminded once, and I’ll remind you a second time, putting it a bit more succintly, off-topic comments are liable to be flagged as Abuse.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:34 amMerdad Says:
Hey Purple State- I am disappointed that you calling people love the country a “Dittohead” militia. sad day…
I am disappointed that you’re twisting my words. I mean, doesn’t Rush himself call you Dittoheads?
I don’t think you truly love this country. I think you love the aspects about this country that are the most convenient to you. If you truly loved this country, you would love every man, woman, and child in it, but I’ve heard your words. You don’t love everyone.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:35 amMerdaddy, I see you are really good at the cut and paste thing, but not to good on the subject at hand. I can understand that having a small mind, its hard for you to stay on topic, but hey, we don’t expect anything more from our rightwing trolls.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:36 amHey Purple State- I am disappointed that you calling people love the country a “Dittohead” militia.
The fact of the matter is, many people who profess to love this country are, indeed, part of Rush Limbaugh’s “Ditto heads” and proudly refer to themselves as such. They have abdicated their right to think and merely parrot everything Rush says. You do appear to be one of them.
Meanwhile, I’m flagging all of your non-attributed off-topic cut-and-paste articles.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:38 amMerdad – flagged for consistently and constantly being off topic as well as consistent non-attribution of cut-and-paste comments.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:46 amSo let’s see. What have we gotten from Obama so far?
1. Warrentless wiretapping all Americans is ok.
2. We might maybe one day end the war in Iraq, but we have to escalate in Afghanistan and extend the war into Pakistan.
3. We won’t prosecute torturers, even though we are legally required to do so.
4. We’ll look into thinking about closing Guantanamo in a year or so, if Congress funds the transition process, but we won’t close, or even talk about, all the other numerous CIA torture dungeons we have strewn around the world. But hey, Guantanamo isn’t so bad, eh.
5. We’re going to take over certain parts of the banking system and hand over the SEC’s regulatory responsibilities to the secretive and unaccountable Federal Reserve.
6. I need the power to shut down the internet.
And this list is far from exhaustive and he keeps adding to it.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:01 amTo all of you who voted for our new President:
How’s that election working out for ya?
hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha
May 31st, 2009 at 11:32 amAlejandro,
You just don’t get it do you?
Our new President is a STATIST. He’s an idealogue who cares about only ONE thing – POWER. The power of the state to control EVERYTHING.
How’s that election working for you?
May 31st, 2009 at 11:34 amTimmy, working just fine for me. Hows being out in the weeds working for you?
May 31st, 2009 at 11:40 ammerdaddy, Im impressed, you just laid out what bush gave this country with 8 years of his bullshit. I didn’t think you had it in you to tell us what a failure bush was.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:00 pmMerkin Says:
GM is bankrupt, unemployment is sky high, foreclosure is the highest since Obama’s (Jimmy Carter)first term, homelessness on rise, murder rate is high, losing two wars, $ is worthless now, chi-coms is no longer buys treasury department junk bonds, our priz bowing to dictators, losing the credibility that 8 years Bush worked on, nation is as divisive as prez. first term, we been hate all over the world, and what ever left, he will sell it in middle east next week. doing great pal…
Wow. The stupid is overwhelming in this one.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:04 pmI guess I don’t see how these people’s plight would be any different if the case was heard in the Supreme Court and they agreed that they were being detained unlawfully.
President Obama inherited this mess and is doing his best to fix it. What would be the solution for these people? Should he just put them on boats and send them on their way. At least he’s actively working to try to find a place for them to reside.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:14 pmmerdaddy, what 2 successful wars would that be? Oh never mind, I’m asking a question to someone who is as dumb as a fence post.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:15 pmRazor_Boy Says:
Well, besides a few gay rights here, and a Supreme Court nominee there, I’m seeing Bush 3 all over our foriegn policy.
Well, since you think you are so brilliant, what do you propose we do with our foreign policy regarding the messes that George Bush created? We are in uncharted territory here folks. The things George Bush did (”enemy combatants”, et al) have never been done before. They took a while to get this country really messed up and it’s going to take a while to straighten it out. I have total faith that President Obama will do the right thing in the end. Just because he isn’t challenging these policies right now doesn’t mean he agrees with them. It just means that he has to take some time to figure out how to reverse them without setting another precedent that could harm this country for years to come.
Unlike many people here, I don’t think it is possible for any President to undo 8 years of horrible policies in 4 months.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:21 pmMerdad Says:
Bush’s area was the best ever in history this nation.
Ok, I guess I have to ask. Why are you all responding to someone like this. Talk about living in an alternative universe and/or being as dumb as a rock. This troll’s posts are not even worthy of a good game of “whack a troll”. It posts simply to get a reaction and as long as he gets one (he’s been pretty successful thus far), it will continue to post inane comments.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:23 pmAIO, is this your Sunday personality?
May 31st, 2009 at 12:27 pm57 angels81
The war on the middle class and America’s international credibility?
May 31st, 2009 at 12:30 pmSchool dumps liberal orthodoxy, produces top test scores
From your link:
Ah yes, the joy of being a Charter School, where you can ignore the State-mandated curriculum and just teach to the test. (P.S. about 25% of their students leave in 3 years)
Now, as to the topic of the thread???
May 31st, 2009 at 12:31 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
I guess I don’t see how these people’s plight would be any different if the case was heard in the Supreme Court and they agreed that they were being detained unlawfully.
It’s a very awkward position for the administration, thanks to the wingnuts’ fearmongering about the terrists. At this point, no one will be able to convince the public that the Uighurs are no threat to America and that their grievances are with the Chinese government. Of course, after being locked up all these years for no good reason, they may well be ticked off at the US by now. Still, there is no way they can be given asylum here without setting off a screaming fit from the GOP.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:41 pmHonestly, I am concerned about what’s going on in this administration.
Unlike the dittoheads, though, I am more than willing to criticise and protest (if necessary) decisions from Obama that I feel are contrary to our Constitution and morality and plain human decency.
I am concerned, yes, but I also realize that 8 long years of phuckery by the Bushies coupled with the ongoing obstreperous obstruction (now, *that’s* some serious alliteration!) by the G-nO-P is going to take some time and heavy lifting to undo.
President Obama, you have my support — but it’s NOT the uncritical and/or unquestioning teabag type. Just sayin’.
~A
May 31st, 2009 at 12:47 pmHoly crap, Merde; you are clearly psychotic. And illiterate. And incomprehensible.
What a *stunning* trifecta.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:57 pmBnF, I was left speechless by the absurdity of fleabags school link. Only after I read Merdad’s comment mocking public schools was I snapped out of the first stupor. If his only intellectual impediment is that he was home schooled we could send copies of his posts to lawmakers and it would quickly be outlawed.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:30 pmMerdad Says:
dear comrade angels81- i just laid out the facts about Barry the Bamster’s 100 days records since he was immucated. Bush’s area was the best ever in history this nation. 2 successful wars, the economic situation that even the libs benefited from- we proved that we are the only superpower ever existed and ever will be. liberated over 70 millions little guys that libs loves dearly…
Once again, facts need data and sources.
“2 successful wars” — if these wars were so successful, why are we still fighting them? There has been no pull-out from Iraq after the death of Saddam Hussein, and we have not found bin Laden. I think the term “successful” is a term that is arguable at best.
The “economic situation” — a depletion of the surplus, a mini-recession in 2002, followed by a bigger recession in 2008, and the TARP situation all came from Bush’s administration. Granted, he did pull us out of the 2002 slump, but that only led to 2008’s drought.
The unemployment rate — Employment was stable for most of Bush’s run, even when you consider the jump after 9/11, but he left office at 7.6%. Obama’s administration has seen a jump in unemployment, but did you expect him to wave a magic wand for this? Unemployment’s not going down until financial indicators stabilize. I expect them to stabilize at some point, but Obama is NOT a magician.
Bush may not have been the worst economic or military president in U.S. history, but he certainly is not the best.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:47 pmNot your words, c&w. John Cook’s words. Please cite them.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:54 pmah I see Merdad is still stuck on stupid and Timmeh is here to join him!
I do hope these detainees can negotiate some kind of asylum or find somewhere safe to go :(
May 31st, 2009 at 2:19 pmAttack messenger, much?
and I see OS has spread his lack of vocabulary onto the troll masses.
May 31st, 2009 at 2:20 pm1. Warrentless wiretapping all Americans is ok.
Not too thrilled about this one but did it occur to you that maybe there really is sensative information? He’s working on narrowing the state secrets privelege anyway.
2. We might maybe one day end the war in Iraq, but we have to escalate in Afghanistan and extend the war into Pakistan.
We can’t just decimate a sovereign nation and just up and leave. We should’ve been at war with Al-Qaeda in the first place. We made a promise to stamp them out. The war in Afghanistan was going on before Obama came in. Again, we can’t just cause all this destruction and then simply leave.
3. We won’t prosecute torturers, even though we are legally required to do so.
Now this one I’m with you on :) However it did occur to me that he might just be waiting on a good moment… like when health care gets dealt with? IDK but like I said, I agree with you here.
4. We’ll look into thinking about closing Guantanamo in a year or so, if Congress funds the transition process, but we won’t close, or even talk about, all the other numerous CIA torture dungeons we have strewn around the world. But hey, Guantanamo isn’t so bad, eh.
It’s my understanding that they are no longer being used however I could be wrong. I believe Obama when he says the torture has ended until I see proof otherwise.
5. We’re going to take over certain parts of the banking system and hand over the SEC’s regulatory responsibilities to the secretive and unaccountable Federal Reserve.
Well let’s hope they do start holding these place more accountable and these new regulations get put into place soon.
6. I need the power to shut down the internet.
Aww but the internets are so fun :)
May 31st, 2009 at 2:29 pmchicken and waffles Says:
Attack messenger, much?
Then BE the messenger. They usually say where the message is from.
May 31st, 2009 at 2:47 pmWhen did asking someone to cite his sources constitute an “attack”? I mean it, there’s something pathologically wrong with a person who has that kind of mentality.
May 31st, 2009 at 2:52 pmI would think Taiwan would be an appropriate destination.
And I’m extremely concerned about many of Obama’s decisions, but I’m willing to cut him some slack. Imagine what it must be like trying to assemble a legal case out of the inadmissible or nonexistent crap left behind by BushCo. Hopefully he’s got a lot of smart people working on it.
However, he does need our criticism. If nobody is leaning on him from the Left and all the political pressure is coming from the Right, then his politics are likely to skew rightward. We need to keep yelling at him as loud as they do; the difference being that we would be making logically constructive points based on fact.
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Merdad Says:
chicken and waffles Says:
Off topic. Like the rest of us, you don’t set the discussion agenda here; that’s done by TP staff. If you want to talk about those subjects, go find a site that’s talkinga about those subjects.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:15 pmWayne Ant Schneider Says:
When did asking someone to cite his sources constitute an “attack”? I mean it, there’s something pathologically wrong with a person who has that kind of mentality.
Imagine how anyone in the Bush admin would react if they had been asked to cite their sources regarding WMD’s – either publicly or in private.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:17 pmMerdad, I don’t care. Get your own blog and tell us there.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:19 pmSince this group was busy passing all available courses in a terrorist training camp for attacks against the Chinese government, homeward bound would be a very dicey opportunity for this hapless band of bombers. Traitors are not afforded any ACLU lawyers in China.
The US has had a anti-terrorist immigration law on the books since Jimmy Carter. If you are a terrorist, Lady Liberty just says “No.” Europe will not take them, not a single solitary one. So, Hello Gitmo or a bullet in China.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:26 pmThe Statue of Liberty says it more eloquently than any of the above comments:
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
To borrow a phrase from PBS – This is what we are.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:42 pmOBAMA… THE ONLY ‘CHANGE’ THAT OCCURED IN WASHINGTON…
He changed his discourse from liberal to Bush/Chenney like discourse.
Obama THE NEW WAR PRESIDENT!
Meanwhile, the for every dollar the US government spends, it borrows 50 cents… it is comic to watch!
May 31st, 2009 at 3:48 pmMerda in portuguese/spanish/italian means SH##*t
May 31st, 2009 at 3:50 pmMerdad, I don’t care. Get your own blog and tell us there.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:53 pmMerdad… South America hates to US government because while the US government was saying they promote DEMOCRACY, they destroyed our DEMOCRACIES and substituted them for brutal and criminal DICTATORSHIPS who were TORTURING incocent people and democratic leaders.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:56 pmWe love and respect your bill of right… you know, that paper which the last few administrations (Obama’s included) has completelt trashed…
Merda means SH#*t!
Merda, you peace of sh#*T. I’m not in the US and do not whish to be in a FACIST country either!
May 31st, 2009 at 4:04 pmAnd you may say what am I doing criticizing your country… well, if the US crap remained inside your borders I would agree with you, however, since it afect people throughout the entire globe (We are watching you!), I am entitle of my opinion as much as anybodyelse!
Merda means ‘SH##*t’!
and just for the record:
May 31st, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Progressives all have concerns about President Obama. I think it was Thom Hartmann of Friday who said something about FDR. He said that liberals, to paraphrase, went to him and told them what they wanted. He said I know what you want me to do but now you need to MAKE me do it. We need to let President Obama know what we won’t tolerate.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:08 pmIt’s rare that somebody is named so appropriately. My guess in real life his name is Little Dick.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:11 pmMerdad… get a girl friend!
May 31st, 2009 at 4:17 pmMerda, you peace of sh#*T. I’m not in the US and do not whish to be in a FACIST country either!
And you may say what am I doing criticizing your country… well, if the US crap remained inside your borders I would agree with you, however, since it afect people throughout the entire globe (We are watching you!), I am entitle of my opinion as much as anybodyelse!
Merda means ‘SH##*t’!
Ugh for some reason my posts aren’t working… anyway…
Your ranting is getting old. Seriously. Get yourself off the computer, away from the caffiene and pick up a pen and pencil. Write a letter to the White House in a coherent fashion and voice your concerns there. Whining on a liberal website isn’t going to do you any good.
While you’re at it, please obtain some kind of realistic grasp on the problems Bush left us and how Obama cannot be expected to fix them overnight. Starting the wars was messed up in the first place but letting Al-Qaeda get away and decimating a sovereign nation and just leaving would be even more screwed. As for the borrowing, you’re not even living here so why the hell do you care?
You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I wouldn’t begrudge you that but the ranting is just silly. You sound like a loon and will be treated as such.
While you’re at it, try taking a closer look at your own government. They aren’t exactly saints either.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:18 pmMerdad… I’ve been here longer than you! I am older than you and by the looks of it… much more informed than you!
Get a girl friend! If you don’t like girls… get a boy friend! I’m sure in that sick church of yours are field with people with nothing to do… field with people that don’t read books… field with people like you!
May 31st, 2009 at 4:20 pm101
May 31st, 2009 at 4:22 pmAfghanistan and Pakistan killing are real and are now Oba Oba’s Wars.
Get used to the idea that some people are watching your new ‘dear leader’ pushing and continuing Bush’s policies! And rightfully so criticised by that!
I am not a cheer leader!
How did they end up in GITMO? Were they sold to George Bush to help fill up the GITMO prison or were they found on the battlefield in Iraq or Afghanistan? Just curious…
May 31st, 2009 at 4:43 pmYou act like a 12 year old closeted gay conservative when you go on your ‘nana nana boo boo’ rants.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:45 pm101
Afghanistan and Pakistan killing are real and are now Oba Oba’s Wars.
Get used to the idea that some people are watching your new ‘dear leader’ pushing and continuing Bush’s policies! And rightfully so criticised by that!
I am not a cheer leader!
For eff’s sake did you even read my response. Yes you are allowed to critisize but if you actually wanted something to happen, here is not the place to fo it. You’re just whining and taking no action. It’s pathetic.
The wars are continuing. There are where they should’ve been in the first place. Would you suggest that we just pull all our troops home and not fix the damage we have caused? If so, I’m afraid you’re even more screwed up then you think we are.
Again, try taking a look at your own country. We might be bad in some regards but those in glass houses as the saying goes.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:49 pmwhoops meant the* and for* at 109 :)
May 31st, 2009 at 4:50 pmAnother Obama move echoing his predecessor’s handling of the Uighur problem:
http://stateofthedivision.blogspot.com/2006/06/guantanamo-like-hell-with-no-justice.html
May 31st, 2009 at 4:57 pmHi Merdad….
May 31st, 2009 at 5:08 pmIt looks like President Obama is letting this go through the courts, which is a good thing. I don’t want a KING. He inherited a mess and situations like this are without precedent. If it goes through the court it will be law. If he makes all the decisions himself it will be fiat.
He’s just one man. He can’t turn the tide on everything by himself. He said we’ll change America together, and I believe that’s what he meant. I didn’t have strong feelings about him before he became president, but in the short five months that he’s been president I’ve been quite impressed with the man. And I never forget that McCain could be president right now.
How many of you guys who are giving up on him over this contacted your Congressmen over this issue? Wrote an editorial for a local newspaper? Tried to convince people you know to do the same? Tried to school someone who is convinced that they’re all terrorists?
The fact is, most Americans are still convinced that everyone detained at Gitmo is a terrorist. There situation is shameful, and GEORGE W. BUSH put them in that situation. Sad as it is think about Iraq for a moment. The nation of Iraq was destroyed and over a million of their people murdered. They are still living in misery and grief without electricity and clean water being fully restored. Males of “military age” were pulled off the streets, thrown in prison, tortured… Think about Afghanistan. The bill of rights. The economy. There is so much of the BUSHCO mess to be undone.
Oh, and the lying media.
We need to stay on him—yes. But we also need to do our parts as citizens. If the Progressive movement is going to stay and flourish we are going to have to do more than make demands on the president. We need to change our culture. We need patience. And we need to not make every situation THE situation. Nations do change overnight, but that’s usually tramautic.
May 31st, 2009 at 5:23 pmOff topic, but has to be said.
2,983 Confirmed victims of the 9/11 attacks.
2,983 This is how many times we should have waterboarded any detainees or terrorists under our control.
May 31st, 2009 at 5:36 pmMerdad:
May 31st, 2009 at 5:37 pmYou haven’t been doing shit all day but making yourself look like an ass. You really need no help. I just like to f uck with you to remind you how much of a loser you really are. I have taken the liberty of exposing others to your rambling bullshit and they too have had a huge laugh. It is so embarassing that someone can be as lame as you. Thank gods you are a fraud. A real person like you would just be too pitiful…
Tim Vaculik Says:
May 31st, 2009 at 5:36 pm
F uck you, you anti-American prick.
May 31st, 2009 at 5:47 pm2,983 This is how many times we should have waterboarded any detainees or terrorists under our control.
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May 31st, 2009 at 5:57 pmEven the innocent ones….
From Dick Cheney’s speech;
“9/11 caused everyone to take a serious second look at threats that had been gathering for a while, and enemies whose plans were getting bolder and more sophisticated.”
This kind of begs the question WHY the Bush Administration did NOT take a SERIOUS FIRST LOOK at the threats.
Asleep at the Switch … and Incompetence come to mind.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:14 pmZooey, you said it better than I ever could. :)
I bet some people would have a completely different take on this if they weren’t lucky enough to be born into the families they were. But they believe that birthright makes them right. They should seek therapy.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:40 pmHit you? No Merdad, It is more like just b itch slapping. You are silly and worthless as a potential debate opponent. Still you are great fun in terms of mocking your lame ass attempts at being a relevant parody….
May 31st, 2009 at 7:36 pmGeorge Bush is stupid and Dick Cheney’s the devil.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:18 pmSlappyBastinado Says:
Trying to get yourself quoted on Bill O’Reilly’s show?
May 31st, 2009 at 9:19 pmHey, Merde – hysterical much?
Yikes. CUCKOO!! CUCKOO!! CUCKOO!!
May 31st, 2009 at 11:34 pmRegarding how the Uighurs got to Gitmo, they were rounded up by bounty-hunters. There is/was NO evidence they hate America (although who could blame them if they hate it now). They hate China, which they feel is destroying their culture, much like what happened to Tibet. But this bunch of Uighurs, by all honest accounts, is not allied with any separatist groups. And after the bounty hunters sold them to the US, the Bushies floated a cover story (since dis-proved) that they had trained witth Al Qaeda. NOT. There are Uighurs living peaceful lives in Virginia. And several courts, including one dominated by righties, admitted the Uighurs are NO THREAT to America. So why can’t we admit we were wrong and let ‘em go?
June 1st, 2009 at 2:05 amThis really is outrageous on the part of Pres. Obama’s part. Saying that the accommodations of these Uighurs is “Not so bad”! They are succumbing to Right-wing fear-mongering and political spin. How does Obama know the accommodations aren’t bad? Has he ever seen it! This really is a hypocritical move on his part…If the accommodations aren’t so bad, then why is he having Gitmo closed, anyhow? Sometimes I don’t recognize the person I voted for.
June 1st, 2009 at 8:06 amThe Uighurs. 17 people. Seventeen people. Seventeen nameless people that might be released in the huge land that is America. One of these 17 might give birth to a doctor who’ll discover a cure for cancer. Another child might be the top tennis player in the world. Another might be a firefighter who saves dozens of lives. Or these 17 people just might be lost to death, torture, neglect.
“If only I were President I would…” — I’m sure Obama said that to himself. Now that he is, maybe he should remember the circumstance when he said: when he saw an injustice that can only be solved by someone in power. Now that he is attained the most powerful position in the land, it’s time.
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