McConnell: I Have ‘Better Things To Do’ Than Ask My Party To Stop Calling Sotomayor ‘Racist’
McConnell: I Have ‘Better Things To Do’ Than Ask My Party To Stop Calling Sotomayor ‘Racist’
Just hours after President Obama nominated Judge Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court, conservative talker Rush Limbaugh declared that Obama had nominated a “racist.” In the following days, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA) and former Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO) followed suit, while Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) and Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) appeared to come to the same conclusion.
Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) denounced such attacks as “terrible” late last week. This morning on Meet the Press, Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) — who will help lead Sotomayor’s confirmation hearings — said that “he would prefer his colleagues refrain from calling Sonia Sotomayor a racist.” Similarly, on Fox News Sunday Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said the accusations of racism were wrong, remarking that Limbaugh was simply attempting to “entertain” his audience.
On CNN’s State of the Union, however, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said that he has “better things to do” than to ask members of his party to refrain from accusing Sotomayor of being a racist. Host John King noted that McConnell is the “highest elected Republican in the United State of America” and asked, “would it be best that language like racist not be used?” McConnell demurred:
KING: Are Rush and Newt making it a lot harder by using language like that? [...]
MCCONNELL: They’re certainly entitled to their opinions. … Look, I’ve got a big job to dealing with 40 senate Republicans and trying to advance a nation’s agenda. I’ve got better things to do than to be the speech police over people who are going to have their views about a very important appointment.
Watch it:
As Paul Krugman remarked on ABC’s This Week this morning, “I think the Republicans have got a real problem here. Because if they do go ‘no,’ they’re going to seem to be the party of Rush Limbaugh, the party of Newt Gingrich, the party of completely crazy accusations against someone who is after all a highly-respectable, very smart, middle-of-the-road jurist.”
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John King is a massive tool.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:30 amand bob schieffer opened his show with the out-of-context “better decision” comment………
imagine that…
May 31st, 2009 at 10:35 ami BEG of you, commenters – please ignore, to the best of your ability, the idjit when it gets here…
May 31st, 2009 at 10:37 amLike I said yesterday, trolls=piles of feces.
Best to avoid eye contact, do NOT even acknowledge them, just move along…
Talk ABOUT them, but NEVER TOO them.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:41 amMcConnell: “I’ve got better things to do…”
Such as?
Jeez, Mitch, it would have taken you 10 seconds to say something like “I don’t think that the tone of those comments is appropriate when discussing a President’s Supreme Court nominee.” Unless, of course, you DO think it’s appropriate?
May 31st, 2009 at 10:42 amwhen schieffer asked kyle if HE thought she was a racist, he couldn’t even answer it straight… he’ll have to meedt her first…
jeesh…
May 31st, 2009 at 10:42 amLike I said yesterday, trolls=piles of feces.
Step around the pile, not in it.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:43 amJust what I was thinking Jane. He took the time to get up on Sunday morning and get in front of a camera but didn’t have time to dispute the haters.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:46 amMCCONNELL: [...] I’ve got a big job to dealing with 40 senate Republicans and trying to advance a nation’s agenda. I’ve got better things to do than to be
any kind of LEADER…
May 31st, 2009 at 10:47 amkaty Says:
i BEG of you, commenters – please ignore, to the best of your ability, the idjit when it gets here…
You mean George W. Bush is going to be commenting here? Cool!
May 31st, 2009 at 10:48 amAfter we see the kind of attacks on extremely bright people who followed all the rules it is safe to assume that sooner or later none of the best and brightest will choose public life. Then the only people running will be flunkies like bottom of his class McCain and 5 college Palin.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:49 amClearly if McConnell had any free time he’d learn how to not look like an idiot.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:51 amwho knows, wayne… it could be…
May 31st, 2009 at 10:53 amexcellent point, shayne… another objective, no doubt…
May 31st, 2009 at 10:54 amMitchie McChinless always looks like a befuddled tortoise to me. He might even be kind of cute if he weren’t such a mean-spirited lying little dooshbag.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:02 amoh, i got that quote wrong… it’s “better conclusion”…
george s. led off with it also…
May 31st, 2009 at 11:03 amHe has better things to do than being forced to apologize to GOP Boss Limbaugh.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:04 amAsked if Sotomayor is a “racist,” Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) ducked the issue on CBS this morning. “I’m not going to get involved in characterizations before I’ve even met her,” Kyl said.
Well Jon , I’ve never met you before , but I can say with a helluva’ lot of sincerity and confidence , that I find you to be a complete assh0le ………
May 31st, 2009 at 11:06 amWatch out (or Achtung, in a language you understand better), Mitch, the Hispanic vote is growing even in KY.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:08 amBetter things to do? The man has let the Limbaugh-Hannity-Gingrich fringe of the GOP drive the train right off the rails.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:08 amLet’s face it here, folks. The chief problem with Sotomajor is her “empathy”. Republicans have no time for empathy. They’re much too busy practicing their own unique brand of “sociopathy” in opposition to anyone or anything that exists in the real world outside their little bubble.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:09 amgood on schumer – he broke in to commend cornyn for his statement calling for repugs to quit with the racist crap…
we’ll see how much good that does… but, good for him anyway…
May 31st, 2009 at 11:13 amand then my screen went black… eek!
May 31st, 2009 at 11:15 amonly abc… and lots of garbled audio before that…
sinclair broadcasting at it’s finest!
tom – i’m not sure about “opposition to anyone or anything that exists in the real world”, but definitely anything having to do with a “Democrat” or the “Democratic Party”…
obstruction. plain and simple.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:19 amRepubs always have better things to do than what is correct, just, honest, & ethical.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:21 amMCCONNELL: Look, I’ve got a big job to dealing with 40 senate Republicans and trying to advance a nation’s agenda.
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1- Poor Mitch, perhaps the American people can make his job a bit easier by voting out 4 or 5 more republican senators in the 2010 mid term elections.
2-Wow Mitch, do you really believe that being an obstructionist really advances a nation’s agenda?
His comments just prove that the republican’s fear Oxybreath and show what a liar he is when he says “trying to advance the nation’s agenda” my a$$! His party is trying to advance the failed ideology of his pathetic, party of No (future)
May 31st, 2009 at 11:22 amThose affirmative action crybabies are generally people who benefit from legacy admissions and nepotism as well.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:23 amWhich of our torture monkey trolls said they don’t announce the dead soldiers on This Week any more. Another LIE it is still on there.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:24 amAll the talking head-types (Gregory-King-GS) should be asking ALL Republicans on their shows if they endorse or condemn the Gingrich-Limbaugh-Hannity-Tancredo racist/hate/divisive rhetoric. That’s their ONLY CHOICE: endorse or condemn this attack mode.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:25 amI’ll never forget what (a now forgotten name) former politician once said about Mitch “The turtle” McConnell. He said McConnell’s eyes would glaze over whenever he saw money.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:28 amMore important things to do?
Like hooking up with Lady Lindsey Graham in the stalls at Raygun International?
May 31st, 2009 at 11:29 amNobody–and certainly no public official–may be believed or trusted who can complain of “reverse discrimination” with a straight face.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:30 amI don’t know about that. But if you’re white and want to collect some kind of welfare Kentucky is the place to go. They pass out so many food stamps in Kentucky that people stopped planting vegetable gardens. Too busy shopping. And the most popular class in school must be how to qualify for Social Security disability because they’re all collecting.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:30 amSo, according to the sitting politicians the right wing smears of Sotomayor for being racist are a “no no”, but all the other right wing smears are just fine.
McConnell is a tool. Perhaps it’s things like this that have him at a favorable rating of 22%. The same poll now shows the Congressional GOP’s with a favorable rating of 12% where the Congressional Democrats are at 39%.
http://www.dailykos.com/weeklytrends
May 31st, 2009 at 11:32 amI’m so distraught over my treatment as a white American I don’t know if I have the energy to get my pedicure. /sarc
May 31st, 2009 at 11:32 amDoodlebug Shayne Says:
I don’t know about that. But if you’re white and want to collect some kind of welfare Kentucky is the place to go. They pass out so many food stamps in Kentucky that people stopped planting vegetable gardens. Too busy shopping. And the most popular class in school must be how to qualify for Social Security disability because they’re all collecting.
You know, when you post crap like this without any supporting links, it just makes you out to be the hateful tool that you are. I pity you.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:33 amI’m just judging from personal experience with a huge family in Kentucky. Not the big cities though up in the hills. Everybody in the family that works left Kentucky.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:35 amSo-so Sonia is no great shakes.
She’s a corporatist, a statist, and authoritarian, a Catholic, a former prosecutor and a corpoRat mouthpiece.
She’d be the perfect choice as a “moderate” Republican Justice.
The Pukes know it, and they are criticizing her so as to force the Dims to rally around and ignore her many and manifold deficits.
They’re pissing rosewater over this nomination, because she’s absolutely the BEST possible outcome, given a nominally “Dem” President and the current Congress.
She’s a shoe-in, and all the gas is for two reason only: fundraising, and camouflage…
May 31st, 2009 at 11:35 amMcConnell has more important things to do?
Where? What?
Maybe he should leave office and get to them.
I can’t decide who is worse — David Gregory or John King. I think it’s a draw — they both suck.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:36 amum…
Graham Calls on Sotomayor to Apologize for ‘Wise Latina’ Statement
FOXNews – ?1 hour ago?
Sen. Lindsey Graham, RS.C., tells “FOX News Sunday” he’s not buying President Obama’s attempt to walk back his Supreme Court nominee’s controversial statement from 2001.
don’t fall for it, sonia… nothing to apologize for…
May 31st, 2009 at 11:37 amSorry Doodlebug Shayne, but you forgot your /sarc and I haven’t finished my first cup of coffee yet.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:38 amOh and Bilbo Hussein Baggins, as somebody born and raised in Chicago, I’ve been listening to the BS about Chicago politicians for about three years now. Spoken mostly by people who have never set foot in Illinois. I’ve spent a lot of time in Kentucky so boo freakin’ hoo.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:39 amDavid Shuster would breathe new life into the gasping Meet the Press.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:40 amDoodlebug Shayne Says:
I’m just judging from personal experience with a huge family in Kentucky. Not the big cities though up in the hills. Everybody in the family that works left Kentucky.
So you really meant what you said there? Then I go back to my original post. Unless you have proof to back up those claims, you are acting just like our intrepid trolls. Why would you want to do that?
May 31st, 2009 at 11:41 amDoodlebug Shayne Says:
David Shuster would breathe new life into the gasping Meet the Press.
I used to watch MTP a couple of time each month. I will NEVER tune it in as long as Mrs. Rove…er…uh…I mean David Gregory is the lackey shill..er..uh…I mean host.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:00 pmDisability rates by state from US Census:
West & Midwest: about 15%
South: about 23%
It’s not so easy to find the percentage of welfare recipients per state.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:00 pmESL, now I’m having visions of “Shall We Dance” from “The King and I”.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:02 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Link or no link, Doodle’s, or anyone else for that matter, is entitled to her/their opinion.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:06 pmAIO Says:
Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Link or no link, Doodle’s, or anyone else for that matter, is entitled to her/their opinion.
Do you say that to the trolls who post things that are very derogatory towards a class of people without anything to back it up?
May 31st, 2009 at 12:07 pmBeautiful, busy morning…Good day to you all..Rose at 4:45 and been running since..Stoped for a quick cup of coffee and to check TP while the TV was humming away….GRrrrrrrr..Shiefert or shitfer was on and ran a clip of limpdicks on his show with finestine and others…I am so sick of the media giving what the bloated, evil, racest has to say time on any show I could puke…Jeebos…Whats wrong with this picture.? All the reich and media hold up this drug addled pig boy as some one to look up and listen to…Theres no looking up to a slug in my opinion. salt is useful..
Back to the veggie garden, Happy posting all….Blessings
May 31st, 2009 at 12:09 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says:
Disability rates by state from US Census:
West & Midwest: about 15%
South: about 23%
It’s not so easy to find the percentage of welfare recipients per state.
It’s not hard to find the unemployment rate in the south or the rankings of their educational system either. And both those things heavily affect the number of people on welfare.
You seem to find welfare to be offensive. Would you rather your state simply allowed these people to starve to death? In your own way you are just as much a bigot as those on the right who attack people for their race.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:09 pmMitch McConnell is the perfect leader for the party of NO. No I have nothing to say, No I have no ideas, No I won’t vote for anything Obama does. The party of NO have the perfect leader in the senate, a no nothing, do nothing tool.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:12 pm“I’ve got a big job to dealing with 40 senate Republicans…”
Actually farmer McConnell has a fairly good point here. Can you imagine dealing with 40 people all with the mentality of a three year old? All of them believing that the sky is falling and running around yelling stupid and crazy shit. And all of them scared to death of the fat ass bully from over on the wrong side of the tracks. If it weren’t for the fact that we’re talking about Mitch “NO NO NO” McConnell here I might almost feel sorry for him.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:16 pm# 52, Bilbo…:
I rarely interact with “trolls”, I have other things to do with my time; but an opinion is still an opinion.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:24 pmYou’re right from the standpoint that much of what I posted was anecdotal from people I know and from what my mother in-law who was raised near Corbin relates about family members. Why I get irritated is because these are the same people who complain about inner city welfare queens while they are collecting themselves.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:39 pmMCCONNELL: “I’ve got better things to do than to be the speech police over people”
Like making sure detroit tanks, lipless mitch so the toyota plants in your home state prosper?
May 31st, 2009 at 12:39 pmI imagine mcconnell would have much the same to say about hitler. Obviously he supports the racist comments, or perhpas he is just a splneless whimp, much like the rest of his party.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:47 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says:
Marie Says:
I can’t decide who is worse — David Gregory or John King.
I think it’s a draw — they both suck.
David Shuster would breathe new life into the gasping Meet the Press.
After watching Shuster’s skilled knife work on Tancredo on Friday’s Hardball, Shuster is my new BFF. He started by graciously offering Tancredo the opportunity to apologize for his “La Raza is Sotomayer’s KKK” comment, which Tancredo of course indignantly refused to do, and by the time Shuster was finished with him, I suspect the defib paddles were out of the box and fully charged. Tancredo looked like he was about to blow an artery, Shuster looked as calm as Hannibal Lecter opening a bottle of Chianti.
I don’t even bother to DVR MTP. David Gregory is so bad he makes me miss Brokaw’s overtly biased interviews.
PEACE
PEACE
May 31st, 2009 at 12:52 pmGOP = Goofs on Parade
The Republicans are TOO AFRAID of their leader, Loser Limbaugh, to openly contradict his nutcase rants.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:53 pmOoops! Looks like an extra PEACE day for me!
PEACE
May 31st, 2009 at 12:55 pmAIO Says:
# 52, Bilbo…:
I rarely interact with “trolls”, I have other things to do with my time; but an opinion is still an opinion.
And where did I say that he did not have a right to his opinion? All I did was challenge his opinion as not being based on any provable facts. We do this all the time with trolls.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:00 pmsomeone ought to clue in these clowns the whole “racist” angle isn’t gaining any traction and they really ought to develop something new.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:01 pmBozo The Neoclown Says:
someone ought to clue in these clowns the whole “racist” angle isn’t gaining any traction and they really ought to develop something new.
Nothing any of these fools are doing is gaining them any traction. They really don’t get the “if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging” advice. They will continue to dig themselves into the hole until the whole thing caves in on them and they are no longer a national party. They are close to that point already.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:02 pm“more important” things to do — like maybe allowing right wing crazies who dominate the media to encourage violence without objection and incite their listeners to do thing like this:
George Tiller, the Wichita doctor who became a national lightning rod in the debate over abortion, was shot to death this morning as he walked into church services.
Last year another person driven to extreme actions at a church killing was a fan of OReilly and other extremists.
When the right lets its extreme factions spew hatred and support of violence what do they expect, but some of them taking the law into their own hands?
May 31st, 2009 at 1:07 pm# 64 Bilbo…:
Your comment on # 64 makes me wonder how closely you actually read these boards.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:13 pmShayne is a ’she’.
McConnell has better things to do?! What a turd. So, he agrees with Tancredo,Gingrich, Rush and the rest. Well, voters will have better things to do than re-elect the same tired Rushpublican’t Senators. Whew! That dead elephant sure smells rank. Hope McConnell has already made funeral arrangements for the GOP.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:16 pmSeems like it’s got lots of ‘traction.’
There isn’t a news/infotainment program around which hasn’t highlighted it.
It gets spread every bit as much through the stories about non-denials as in stories about the original claims.
And Middull Murka has not risen to demand the Pukes stop.
This is, of course, purely propaganda, designed to capture the narrative and control the discourse…
Seems to be working like gang-busters to me…
the Pukes are counting on and playing to, the deeply embedded, unexamined racism of the lumpen-proles of the right (and the middle) to consolidate.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:18 pmAnother thing, David Gregory is really ruining Meet the Press. He doesn’t ask the tough questions. He’s a pu&&y like John King. No wonder the ratings have dropped off.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:20 pmtokin librul
They talked incessantly about what a great man bush was too but no one is listening anymore.
It’s been said here this morning and worth repeating:
May 31st, 2009 at 1:21 pmA man in a starched suit crying racism is laughable.
Hi Fred, where have you been? I hope everything has been OK.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:22 pmBilbo, I should just have said sorry. It was all based on my opinion. The other day I jumped on a brother in-law bragging about losing his job soon so he could collect 6 months of unemployment. I don’t begrudge anybody collecting. What bugs me is it’s these same people who act like minorities game the system when they collect but when white people do it it’s legitimate.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:25 pmHi Shayne, all well. I have been very busy with my adult children moving home from california to start thier family and my two college kids…..one graduated from OSU with his degree in elect engineering, etc.
and trying to make a living. Insurance premium is killin me.
How have you been? School going well?
May 31st, 2009 at 1:27 pmWhy do holy rollers seem to be the most racist, statistically?
It made me dig out some songs I did on an album in 2007 about religion. Here’s a link to listen
http://www.reverbnation.com/tunepak/1510089
Don’t Need No Religion
Just a Dude
If There Was a God
Sorry if it seems off-topic, but the holy rollers are out screwing up traffic right now in the city (don’t know why none of them have the sense to leave their SUV out in the burbs and ride the train in), and Mitch is one of the lamer jesus humpers out there.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:27 pmShorter Limblob: George H W Bush nominated a racist
May 31st, 2009 at 1:34 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
You seem to find welfare to be offensive. Would you rather your state simply allowed these people to starve to death? In your own way you are just as much a bigot as those on the right who attack people for their race.
May 31st, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Wow. Maybe another cup of coffee will do you good.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:35 pmFred, I am insurance poor as well. I don’t have to worry about every paying income tax on my business as long as I have to pay health insurance premiums. I can never hire enough workers to make enough money to cover their health insurance and make a profit. I don’t go to school that’s Zooey. Although as much as I have to go to school for something or other for my kid it feels like I go to high school. It’s must be nice having the kids around.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:35 pmRanting Tommy, I watched Religulous yesterday morning. It explains a lot about the hatred we have to deal with.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:36 pmI have a twenty pound cat that sits in front of my monitor and whacks my keyboard and mouse with his tail and tries to bite me when I try to move him. I know there are sympathizers here.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:38 pmMerdad is proud of his home schooling.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:38 pmMerdad, ignoramus, the banking crisis occurred during the Bush admin. He also called he constitution a piece of GD paper. And as for the rest of your ‘education’ its just Limblob propaganda
May 31st, 2009 at 1:41 pmBUSH BALANCED THE BUDGET -Merdad
Now thats some funny stuff!! Even Joe the Plumber knows this is a major fib.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:42 pmJust flag the racist troll.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:44 pmI tried being a republican once, just to see how or if I could do it..and I found there is no way to defend their position unless you become a hypocrite or lie with regularity. Its why Rush lies, its why Hannity lies, why Coulter lies, why Merdad lies.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:44 pmMerdad says:
To paraphrase my favorite Jedi Master:
May 31st, 2009 at 1:44 pm“Strong with the Stupid is this one!”
Yeh, Imagine That, Chavez TV is as Propagandist as FOX.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:47 pmChavez TV since 1999 and Merdad has watched it, by its posts, more than I have [never]
May 31st, 2009 at 1:49 pmLMAO!
Whenever the troll inflicts itself on us it ruins the thread — let’s try to ignore the racist, bigoted pinhead today.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:53 pmCOWARDS! Elected members of the Repugnican party are spineless cowards hiding behind the lunatics’ skirts. They just lie throught their teeth and hope Americans are stupid enough to believe them. The MSM ( CNN, Meet The Press, ABC,CBS, etc) are the toilets allowing these losers to evacuate their waste into viewers’ living rooms!!!
May 31st, 2009 at 1:53 pmAck, Ack, Ack…..it STINKS!
Hey Merdad, the big little tent needs people to jump out of the clown car.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:54 pmaw… please…
.
bilbo? are you sure that’s you?
?
here’s the link to marie’s story:
http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/1225769.html
more sadness… and surely craziness…
May 31st, 2009 at 1:56 pmYou know, Merdad, posting the same article on a different blog entry just adds to your lazy approach at making your point. You’re spamming now. You’re starting to cite your articles, great, but you’re not connecting the issue addressed in the entry to your comment. Save the discussion for Hugo Chavez for one that is for Hugo Chavez.
Or at least tell us you’re going off-topic.
May 31st, 2009 at 1:57 pmah… i forgot to refresh at the 60s… i see i was too late…
really .
May 31st, 2009 at 1:59 pmI bet the chubby troll is watching his favorite [anti American] Hitler collection again..
May 31st, 2009 at 2:01 pmI think McConnell will be plenty concerned when the GOP looses the Latino vote and more seats :)
May 31st, 2009 at 2:21 pm.
Why…
… It’s not racism when angry old white men do it, is it?
.
May 31st, 2009 at 2:22 pmMerdad, your comrades don’t have beer and popcorn. That means you’re pep-talking the wrong folks.
Now please, stop spamming the thread.
May 31st, 2009 at 2:26 pm.
Next, these angry old white men will be complaining that she’s more in tune with women or Hispanics…
… Go figure. They sure do know it all.
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May 31st, 2009 at 2:28 pm<<<
merdad,
strong with the cap lock is this one!
(h/t jim wolf)
:)
May 31st, 2009 at 2:29 pmkaty Says:
aw… please…
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bilbo? are you sure that’s you?
?
here’s the link to marie’s story:
http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/1225769.html
more sadness… and surely craziness…
**
“craziness” = merdad
:|
May 31st, 2009 at 2:31 pmUgh I’m flagging Merdad for spamming. He’s gotten way past rediculous.
May 31st, 2009 at 2:31 pm.
Or, or, or…
… That she’s too much in tune, for that matter.
Anything! Just A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G to stoke that false anger.
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May 31st, 2009 at 2:31 pmjoe cantwell says:
YEAH, I FORGOT THAT.
May 31st, 2009 at 2:31 pmHEH :)
Let’s not be so hard on our trolls. How would you feel if you just watched your party piddle away its hegemony? A little empathy, please.
May 31st, 2009 at 2:32 pmIf I were stupid enough to be afraid of Hugo Chavez? I’d kill myself.
May 31st, 2009 at 2:34 pmpete Says:
If I were stupid enough to be afraid of Hugo Chavez? I’d kill myself.
May 31st, 2009 at 2:34 pm
But if you were that stupid, how would you know? ;)
May 31st, 2009 at 2:36 pmI wonder why they still havent said Alberto Gonzales was a racist for being a member of La Raza….cause this racist charge is a lie lie lie!
May 31st, 2009 at 2:40 pmXisithrus says:
Its called selective memory X. Works well when you’re in a state of denial like the GNOP is.
May 31st, 2009 at 2:45 pmZooey Says:
But if you were that stupid, how would you know? ;)
I wouldn’t have to know. I would just collapse under the weight of the terror or: I would end up walking in front of a bus, cleaning the toaster with a metal tool, or forget to breathe. That kind of stupid finds a way.
May 31st, 2009 at 2:47 pmIt is so admirable that the typical response by liberal bloggers on here is to repond to inappropriate name-calling with…of all things…worse inappropriate name-calling. Oh, yes, you guys are so obviously morally and intellectually superior! When will you start leading by example rather than trying to outshout or outcurse those you oppose? You condemn McConnell for missing a chance to encourage more positive debate. Why don’t you hold everyone on here to that same standard? Is that not the very definition of hypocrisy?
May 31st, 2009 at 2:53 pmMerdad
Do you have and Levi jeans to sell? I don’t get much of anything here behind the Iron Curtain that is California. *snark*
May 31st, 2009 at 2:53 pmI suspect they’re losing the female vote even faster than the Latino vote.
May 31st, 2009 at 2:53 pmPhilip50, thanks for the concern.
May 31st, 2009 at 2:54 pmXisithrus Says:
The GOoPers have to lie. The more I learn about her the more impressive her credentials are. And I really have to hand it to Obama for the choice.
In addition to being the best at everything she’s ever done and being appointed to the bench by a Republican, her history is decidedly moderate and apolitical. I have to believe that Obama knew that the GOP’s perverse need to howl about everything he does would lead them to look completely unhinged. There’s just no rational reason for them to object.
Though, to be fair, I don’t think anyone could have predicted just how ridiculous the screechers would get. That’s a bonus.
May 31st, 2009 at 2:56 pmThanks for the link to the article Katy. Our very own right wing terrorists executing doctors while they’re at church. They have to murder while pretending to be pro-life. That is when they’re not torturing.
May 31st, 2009 at 2:57 pm“Entertain” must be the right’s latest euphemism for disseminating disinformation, lies and propaganda.
WATBs.
May 31st, 2009 at 2:57 pmPete, hopefully then his next appointee will be decidedly more liberal. And because they’ve all made such a fuss over a moderate nobody will pay attention after this. They’re like the little boy who cried wolf.
May 31st, 2009 at 2:59 pmPhilip50 Says:
Oh, yes, you guys are so obviously morally and intellectually superior!
May 31st, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Thanks.
May 31st, 2009 at 2:59 pmpete Says:
I wouldn’t have to know. I would just collapse under the weight of the terror or: I would end up walking in front of a bus, cleaning the toaster with a metal tool, or forget to breathe. That kind of stupid finds a way.
May 31st, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Heh.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:00 pmDamn Zooey, you’re always one upping me. :)
May 31st, 2009 at 3:01 pmHeh! They don’t even understand why it’s significant that the senior elected Republican can’t find time in his schedule to keep his subordinates from slandering a Federal Judge.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:01 pmCowards. These are the same tools who cried “SEXISM” over Katie Couric’s interview of Sarah Palin. Thankfully, they’re all a bunch of old, angry white guys who will meet their natural end soon.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:02 pmPhilip50 Says:
It is so admirable that the typical response by liberal bloggers on here is to repond to inappropriate name-calling with…of all things…worse inappropriate name-calling. Oh, yes, you guys are so obviously morally and intellectually superior! When will you start leading by example rather than trying to outshout or outcurse those you oppose? You condemn McConnell for missing a chance to encourage more positive debate. Why don’t you hold everyone on here to that same standard? Is that not the very definition of hypocrisy?
May 31st, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Aside from the insults aimed toward the psychotroll merdad, I think we’ve been remarkably restrained on this thread. Could you point out the comments that you found so egregiously offensive? Or just STFU? (Oops, there’s one!)
May 31st, 2009 at 3:02 pmAIO Says:
# 64 Bilbo…:
Your comment on # 64 makes me wonder how closely you actually read these boards.
Shayne is a ’she’.
So, and is that supposed to make a difference in how I comment about her posts?
May 31st, 2009 at 3:04 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says:
Damn Zooey, you’re always one upping me. :)
May 31st, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Not possible! :D
May 31st, 2009 at 3:05 pmIt is so admirable that the typical response by liberal bloggers on here is to repond to inappropriate name-calling with…of all things…worse inappropriate name-calling. Oh, yes, you guys are so obviously morally and intellectually superior! When will you start leading by example rather than trying to outshout or outcurse those you oppose? You condemn McConnell for missing a chance to encourage more positive debate. Why don’t you hold everyone on here to that same standard? Is that not the very definition of hypocrisy?
How nice of you to make such a blanket assumption! Last time I checked, we can’t “hold” everyone here to any standard. Hence the trolls. Yes we do have a few liberals who use rather abusive speech to make a point but had you bothered to read and not just make that assumption, we ask them to stop and have even flagged them. What else would you have us do?
McConnell is a leader in the GOP and it should be his responsibility to encourage an actual debate not a name calling spree.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:05 pmMerdad Says:
LET ME EDUCATE YOU PAL. NO WHERE IN CONSTITUTION SAY TO GET MONEY FROM ONE GROUP AND GIVE IT TO OTHER GROUP. NO WHERE IN CONSTITUTION SAYS RAISE THE WHITE FLAG TO THE ENEMY.
So in your world Obama invented the progressive income tax? Why exactly should we be concerned with your opinion when you have no grasp of history whatsoever?
And Obama has hardly raised a “white flag to” Republicans. Quite the contrary.
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Perry logan Says:
Let’s not be so hard on our trolls. How would you feel if you just watched your party piddle away its hegemony?
I wouldn’t go over to right-wing sites and start reiterating the same ridiculous statements that were destroying my party. I’d still be here, discussing what the appropriate positions and messages should be.
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Philip50 Says:
It is so admirable that the typical response by liberal bloggers on here is to repond to inappropriate name-calling with…of all things…worse inappropriate name-calling. Oh, yes, you guys are so obviously morally and intellectually superior!
We don’t torture and rape children. Therefore, comparing a couple of anonymous partisans on the Internet from both sides to draw the conclusion that the Left lacks its obvious moral and intellectual superiority is sophistry of the highest order.
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Philip50 Says:
You condemn McConnell for missing a chance to encourage more positive debate. Why don’t you hold everyone on here to that same standard?
Do you see “Senator” in front of my username? We hold our elected officials to that standard. You do not.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:06 pm“Is that not the very definition of hypocrisy?”
No, the definition of hypocrisy is Republican.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:08 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says:
If Obama gets a chance to replace a conservative, political activism might be more important. Though, personally, I’ll take a judge with no apparent agenda over a “liberal” or a “conservative”.
Either way, this seat isn’t going to change the complexion of the Court.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:10 pmkaty Says:
bilbo? are you sure that’s you?
Yes katy, it’s me. I just found what Shayne said in that first post I responded to to be highly offensive. I also think that if it had been said by one of the resident trolls rather than by Shayne, other people would have also found it offensive.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:16 pmZooey Says:
Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
You seem to find welfare to be offensive. Would you rather your state simply allowed these people to starve to death? In your own way you are just as much a bigot as those on the right who attack people for their race.
Wow. Maybe another cup of coffee will do you good.
Why? What was wrong with what I said. If that post had been by a troll, many people here would have been offended by it. Shayne has since expanded on what she was saying to a point where what I wrote above doesn’t really apply. But up until that point, it did.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:18 pmJane, you can probably relate to this:
From a friend of mine on “Why I Voted Democrat”
I voted Democrat because
I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want.
I’ve decided to marry my horse.
I voted Democrat because
I believe oil companies’ profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are
obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas
at 15% isn’t.
I voted Democrat because
I believe the government will do a better job of
spending the money I earn than I would.
I voted Democrat because
Freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.
I voted Democrat because
When we pull out of Iraq I trust that the bad guys will stop what
they are doing because they now think we are good people.
I voted Democrat because
I’m way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my local
police are all I need to prot ect me from murderers and thieves.
I voted Democrat because
I believe that people who can’t tell us if it will rain on Friday can
tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if
I don’t start driving a Prius.
I voted Democrat because
I’m not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies so long
as we keep all death row inmates alive.
I voted Democrat because
I think illegal aliens have a right to free health care,
education, and Social Security benefits.
I voted Democrat because
I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for
themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to
the government for redistribution as the democrats see fit.
I voted Democrat because
I believe liberal judges need to rewrite The Constitution every few
days to suit some fringe kooks who would never get their agendas
past the voters.
I voted Democrat because
May 31st, 2009 at 3:19 pmMy head is so firmly planted up my butt that it is unlikely that I’ll
ever have another point of view.
Whatever, Bilbo. I guess I just know Shayne better than you do.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:19 pmPhilip50 = complete imbecile
May 31st, 2009 at 3:21 pm.
Dear Merdad,
Your use of Communistic lingo concerns me, some.
Of course, in America where speech has been liberated and people can say pretty much what they want, doing so however, does not indicate nor does it validate that everyone’s opinion is based is fact. Yours is just that example.
Hint: If you want a communistic society where everybody is your “comrade”, then America is NOT the place to find it. I do hear, however, Chairman Ill is seeking some good candidates. You should check him out.
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May 31st, 2009 at 3:22 pmMerdad Says:
May 31st, 2009 at 3:10 pm
You’d think that merdad’s neighbors must have called 911 after hearing the maniacal giggles, shouts, and evil laughter issuing from merdad’s basement windows when he typed that comment.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:22 pmAnd yet Phill here you are condeming the things we say and then making jokes at the expense of Democratic voters. Nice way to show us that hypocracy :)
May 31st, 2009 at 3:22 pmThis particular stupid troll is an interesting specimen. At this stage, the motivation is irrelevant. It doesn’t matter whether it’s actually stating it’s real opinions.
The willingness of a subject to consistently display all the lowest and most vile of human attributes indicates a severely flawed personality. If it weren’t so offensive I’d be inclined to offer it help but, as it is, I think all we could hope to accomplish is shocking the poor creature into self-realization or shunning it and letting nature take it’s course.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:23 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins- DITTOHEAD REPORT COMRADE- YOU ARE LIVING IN A SOCIALISTIC COUNTRY SINCE THE BAMSTER’S IMMCULATION.
wtf is an immculation? You seem to like that word.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:23 pmThis particular stupid troll is an interesting specimen. At this stage, the motivation is irrelevant. It doesn’t matter whether it’s actually stating it’s real opinions.
The willingness of a subject to consistently display all the lowest and most vile of human attributes indicates a severely flawed personality. If it weren’t so offensive I’d be inclined to offer it help but, as it is, I think all we could hope to accomplish is shocking the poor creature into self-realization or shunning it and letting nature take it’s course.
I think at this point it’s just some bored little teenager trying to stir up some trouble. I’ve flagged several of his posts and hope some of you do this same.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:25 pmkdgamergirl Says:
And yet Phill here you are condeming the things we say and then making jokes at the expense of Democratic voters. Nice way to show us that hypocracy :)
May 31st, 2009 at 3:22 pm
They can never help themselves, and never seem to understand their own hypocrisy.
I wish there were a bat shit crazy entry in the DSM IV. :D
May 31st, 2009 at 3:26 pmThey can never help themselves, and never seem to understand their own hypocrisy.
I wish there were a bat shit crazy entry in the DSM IV. :D
Hehe there’s some that come close. The DSM V is coming next year. Maybe we’ll get lucky!
May 31st, 2009 at 3:26 pmkdgamergirl Says:
Hehe there’s some that come close. The DSM V is coming next year. Maybe we’ll get lucky!
May 31st, 2009 at 3:26 pm
We’ll have to hire a fork lift to carry that sucker around!
May 31st, 2009 at 3:28 pmkdgamergirl Says:
“And yet Phill here you are condeming the things we say and then making jokes at the expense of Democratic voters. Nice way to show us that hypocracy :)”
Response: Can dish it out, girl, but can’t take it? I thought that was a pretty insightful piece. Sorry some of it hits home, but if the shoe fits….
No hypocrisy here.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:30 pmPhilip50 Says:
Jane, you can probably relate to this:
From a friend of mine on “Why I Voted Democrat”
Good to see your friend voted for Obama. So why did you vote Democrat?
May 31st, 2009 at 3:30 pmHow about you, Phil. Is there anything you aren’t afraid of? Your list reads like a comic interpretation of “bumps in the night”. You folks have really got to comprehend that the World is not immutable and life, whether human or “lower forms”, must change to survive.
Leave metaphysics out of the equation and look at history. The number of civilizations that have destroyed themselves by stagnation far outnumber those who “messed with success”.
If you want to hide in a closet and pine for yesteryear? Be my guest. Fortunately, it appears that a majority of civilized people have realized that we have to make changes to adapt to new realities. Though, as usual, we are several decades behind the rest of the Western World.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:31 pmHi Merdad…
May 31st, 2009 at 3:32 pmPhilip50 Says:
Jane, you can probably relate to this:
May 31st, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Sorry, Philip, nope – although I’m surprised that my asinine Republican uncle “I’ve got my millions but I’m not sharing even to help take care of my dying sister” didn’t email that piece of crap to me, it’s his style. He could relate to it.
BTW, would you consider merdad’s comments to be representative of all conservatives?
May 31st, 2009 at 3:35 pmWow, whoever “voted Democrat” based on that ridiculous e-mail (kindly re-printed above) sure wasn’t an informed voter. There isn’t a single valid point in that entire list.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:36 pmJesus Christ, is Merdad still on his bender? That is one committed parody troll.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:37 pmPete: Say what? You are usually pretty clear. But, that last post was gobbledygoop. Hiding in a closet? Pine for yesteryear? Decades behind the rest of the Western World?! (Are you serious?).
May 31st, 2009 at 3:37 pmkdgamergirl Says:
I think at this point it’s just some bored little teenager trying to stir up some trouble. I’ve flagged several of his posts and hope some of you do this same.
You just may be right. Back when I was evil and was in favor of eugenics (because I managed a restaurant that employed, mostly, teenagers!) I though it would be a good idea to send kids aged 12-16 to roam Greenland. Then, only those who learned to get along would be invited back to civilization. LOL!
May 31st, 2009 at 3:38 pmPhilip50 Says:
My head is so firmly planted up my butt that it is unlikely that I’ll ever have another point of view.
You finally got something right.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:38 pmpete Says:
Either way, this seat isn’t going to change the complexion of the Court.
Not at all – in fact, I don’t think it would be possible to find a more Souter-like judge – narrow and preicse rulings, nothing controversial anywhere. The only reason they’re going after her is that they feel they have to go after somebody.
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Philip50 Says:
I voted Democrat because
I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want.
I’ve decided to marry my horse.
Horses aren’t consenting adults. I find the fact that you can’t tell the difference rather informative. So much so that there really wasn’t any point reading the rest of your little poem.
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Philip50 Says:
Response: Can dish it out, girl, but can’t take it? I thought that was a pretty insightful piece. Sorry some of it hits home, but if the shoe fits….
No hypocrisy here.
You’re the one whining about “the level of discourse” while hurling insults. I’m just hurling insults straight up. Hypocrite.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:41 pmPhilip50, you never did answer my earlier question:
Could you point out the comments that you found so egregiously offensive?
Of course, I asked that in response to your first comment on this thread, at 2:53 pm, where you complained about the insults, etc., from us “liberal bloggers”. So I’ll rephrase my question:
Could you point out comments that you read prior to your first comment at 2:53 pm that you found so egregiously offensive?
May 31st, 2009 at 3:48 pmSunday TV features an endless parade of right-wing pigs, both as commentators and interviewers. Why torture yourself by listening to these fascist vultures? Wait to Monday PM, and dig progressives on The Ed Show, Keith and Rachel on MSNBC.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:49 pmSomeone call the waaaaa waaaa waaambulance for
Philip50
Not the first time he shows up with his “you nasty, foul mouthed LBRULS” routine.
Then continues to make an ass out of himself and expects his idiocies not be called for what they are.
He is probably already writing his whines to Billdo to show him how he, Billdo, was right all along.
- Billdo. Them nasty LBRULS called me NAMES! Say something to them FAR LEFT HATERS, unca’ Billdo!
May 31st, 2009 at 3:50 pmI thought I was pretty clear, Phil. Your list of strawmen, and tacit agreement with the ridiculous premise, indicates a fear of allowing society to evolve. Evolution is necessary for a society to survive.
Combined with your apparent wish to preserve a idealized “Golden Age”, that has left us in dire straights, leads one to conclude that you are afraid of change on a fundamental level.
May 31st, 2009 at 3:53 pmResponse: Can dish it out, girl, but can’t take it? I thought that was a pretty insightful piece. Sorry some of it hits home, but if the shoe fits….
No hypocrisy here.
*Yawn* silly troll. There’s a big difference between coming on here whining about how us evil liberals are always name calling and don’t discuss issues and then turning around and doing what you’re accusing us of and me pointing out the obvious hypocrisy in your statements.
I think this response from Bruce was right on point:
Horses aren’t consenting adults. I find the fact that you can’t tell the difference rather informative. So much so that there really wasn’t any point reading the rest of your little poem.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:00 pmClear in your own mind, Pete. Evolve to what, Pete? Your idea of utopia? Or Obama’s?
Golden Age? Dire straights? Are you speaking in some kind of code?
May 31st, 2009 at 4:03 pmOkay, who showed Merdad how to use the caps lock key? That was a big mistake.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:04 pmY’know, I’ve changed my mind. I think it was a brilliant move to show Merdad how to use his CAPS LOCK.
It makes his comments so much easier to ignore.
Well done, whoever’s responsible.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:04 pmWell, that’s absolutely hilarious because back in January when half the state of Kentucky was locked in a deep freeze thanks to a massive ice storm, Mitch McConnell was all over the TeeVee saying how his big priority was bringing blacks and hispanics into the GOP fold.
Seems he likes to play the race game when it’s convenient for him.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:07 pmNot to be picky, Southerbeale, but McConnell is not playing the race game. He simply missed a great chance to encourage his fellow Republicans to not be tempted to do so.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:10 pmMerdad Says:
COMRADES- I AM BACK AND READY TO AIR MY RESEARCH ABOUT ANTI US COMRADES- IS YOUR LATTE, WINE, HOT TEA, COFFEE, BEER READY…COMRADES IA M SO EXCITED, AND WILLING TO SHARE MY INFO TO YOU COMRADES LIBS. THE FIRST COMRADE WE WILL DISCUSS IS THE BEST ONE, COMRADE MORALS OF BOLIVIA. HE JUST IMPRISONED OVER 100 FREEDOM FIGHTERS. GOOD NEWS TOO, COMRADE MORALS WILL BE A GUEST AT NBC, CBS AND MSNBC SOON, YOU CAN CALL AND ASK HIM ABOUT HIS ANTI US AND BUSH STAND. SO, MY FELLOW COMRADE GET READY TO TRAVEL TO LAND OF LIBS, ANTI US…..WHAT A DAY COMRADES. DON’T WORRY, THE NEXT ONE WILL BE THE BEST ONE, COMRADE FIDEL. BLACK CAUCUS CONGRESSMEN WHICH ARE DEMS JUST CAME BACK FROM CUBA, AND HAVE INFO ABOUT OUR AGED COMRADE
Flagged!
May 31st, 2009 at 4:11 pmThey call this “entertainment”?
I’m sick & tired of all these Conservatives “defending” Limbaugh’s racist comments with the “he’s just an entertainment” defense.
I’m sorry, but the kind of people that consider such talk “entertainment” have come to define the face of the GOP.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:12 pmMerdad Says:
AS I PROMISED COMRADES BEFORE
THE COMRADE Juan Evo Morales Ayma IS THE MOST FIRY ANTI US POLICY IN SOUTH AMERICA. CAMRADE WAS born ON October 26, 1959 in Orinoca, Oruro HE WAS elected WITH MORE VOTES THAN PRESIDENT HOUSSIEN OBAMA. DICTATOR MORLAS IS the leader of a political party called the Movement for Socialism (Movimiento al Socialismo). SOCIALISMO COMRADES IS WHAT PRESIDENT OBAMA TRYIES TO DO HERE.
Like COMRADE Chavez, COMRADE Morales has campaigned on an anti-USA platform. Anti-Americanism sells. … COMRADE MORALES of Bolivia IS a defender of coca growers.
USA YESTERDAY REPORTED IN 2008 THAT Bolivia’s leftist president, Evo Morales, arrived at the hastily called summit having effectively lost control of half of his country. Anti-Morales protesters have blocked highways, taken over national government offices, closed border crossings and sabotaged pipelines, briefly forcing a cutoff of nearly half of Bolivia’s natural gas exports to Brazil.
The most serious challenge yet to Morales’ presidency is being spurred by governors of Bolivia’s autonomy-seeking lowland provinces, home to the nation’s energy deposits and best farmland.
Morales has expelled Washington’s ambassador, accusing him of encouraging the unrest. Venezuelan BELOVED COMRADE President Hugo Chavez expelled his country’s U.S. ambassador last week in solidarity with Morales, and the U.S. responded in kind.
Arriving in Chile, Chavez said “a conspiracy directed by the U.S. empire” was at work in Bolivia. He compared it to the 1973 coup, supported by the CIA, that toppled Chile’s President Salvador Allende.
On his way out of La Paz on Sunday, U.S. Ambassador Philip Goldberg called the allegations “false and unfounded” and denied that his meetings with opposition governors and Washington’s distribution of aid to their states were an attempt to undermine Morales.
Bolivian President Evo Morales joins THE LIBS in the firehouse studio to discuss the election of Barack Obama, US-Bolivian relations, the global economic crisis and more. Morales is visiting the United States at a time when relations between the two countries are deteriorating.
Enjoying your copypasta?
May 31st, 2009 at 4:12 pmmerdad = flagged agian.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:13 pmIntrepid Says:
merdad = flagged agian.
Flagging is fine, but you really don’t have to copy merkin’s plagiarism. Once is more than enough.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:16 pmIntrepid,
If you copy & paste the troll’s entire spittle-flecked rantings, they will still be here when TP finally gets rid of it.
Just sayin’…
May 31st, 2009 at 4:18 pmHeh. Jinx gummitch. :D
May 31st, 2009 at 4:19 pmI’ve flagged him several times. He’s just spamming now. I think the mods must be sleeping :(
May 31st, 2009 at 4:21 pmNothing as grandiose as that, Phil. All I mean is, well, evolve. To adapt to real world realities. To change what doesn’t work and expand on success or, try new things. Populations of animals, whether humans or not, are pretty much the same.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:21 pmNobody, he hit it accidentally and doesn’t know how to undo it. He’s home schooled.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:25 pmkdgamergirl Says:
I’ve flagged him several times. He’s just spamming now. I think the mods must be sleeping :(
May 31st, 2009 at 4:21 p
It’s the weekend — TP never learns. I copy & paste the ENTIRE troll post into the report abuse box. That tends to get their attention.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:25 pmBTW, Phil. Evolution, whether social or biological, doesn’t necessarily have a specific goal beyond prosperity. In that sense “utopias” and “Golden Ages” are only idealized, or fabricated, history.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:30 pmMitch McConnell is the scary clown under the bed in Poltergeist:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3585/3390647058_7800ebbc7d.jpg
I’m sure of it!
May 31st, 2009 at 4:33 pmMerdadipollo babbles:
blah blah blah comrades… blah blah blah… I obviously don’t know what “dictator” means… blah blah blah… I couldn’t find Bolivia, Nicaragua, or Venezuela in a map if my life depended on it… blah blah blah… whatever I type in capitals becomes true blah blah blah… I am 2 kool 4 skool blah blah…
The stupid is really strong with our new troll….
May 31st, 2009 at 4:34 pmZooey Says:
I copy & paste the ENTIRE troll post into the report abuse box. That tends to get their attention.
I like the way you think. But then, you already knew that. ;)
May 31st, 2009 at 4:35 pmThe good ole days. Let’s relive it shall we?
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/4673/delaybust4ni.jpg
There. That feels better. I wish all republicans could be treated as such!
May 31st, 2009 at 4:35 pmTruth is a liberal bias. Plagiarism is a neocon value. Awwwwwwww, how cute.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:38 pmMitch McConnell is too busy sharpening his shark teeth to do much of anything else these days:
http://image.politicalbase.com/uploads/people/4000/3055/ceff45b2-b5da-47e7-bf37-f1bfd6287092_600.jpg
May 31st, 2009 at 4:42 pmPete, try this definition for our evolving:
To grow and flourish as a society.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:43 pmDamn, I just hate it when nurse betty forgets to hand out the med’s to the trolls…If she would just give med and phill a few hits off the lithium canister it would help..LOL…BTW med was MA before the new name and let us all remember poor Rachel who now is phill50…Or maybe it’s the other way around…Please remember, don’t let either of them have anything sharp or sticky…Happy viewing and posting, don’t feed the trolls please, they will end up as big as limpdick and won’t fit back under their bridge’s……Blessings
May 31st, 2009 at 4:43 pmKay, you are hilarious. :-D
May 31st, 2009 at 4:45 pmGood boy mcconnell. keep on the side of stupid.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:46 pmI always think of those as corn teeth so popular amongst the trailer trash.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:48 pmWhat’s the difference Witch1, they’re all sharing one tiny little brain.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:50 pmHiya merdad, how’s your stupid tasting today?
May 31st, 2009 at 4:50 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says:
KayInMaine Says:
Mitch McConnell is too busy sharpening his shark teeth to do much of anything else these days:
I always think of those as corn teeth so popular amongst the trailer trash.
chicklets is more like it. It looks as if he didn’t lose his baby teeth.
May 31st, 2009 at 4:53 pmYep! correct you are Shayne…Blessings
May 31st, 2009 at 4:55 pmI’ve got better things to do than to be the speech police over people who are going to have their views about a very important appointment.
I suspect what is really happening is that McConnel actually agrees with the idea/claptrap that Sotomayor is “racist” -or at least with the Republican strategy of calling her such- but he won’t just come out and say it.
Republicans/Conservatives never miss a chance to show the world how ignorant, bigoted, hypocritical, misogynistic they truly are. Just look at any of the post by our conservative visitors today. Or any other day, for that matter…
May 31st, 2009 at 4:56 pmYes, it appears the moderators are outside today and not watching the blog — this thread is old now, and the troll is repeating his rants endlessly. He must have been flagged a hundred times by now.
May 31st, 2009 at 5:04 pmGuess she’s only a Supreme Court nominee, huh?
Cranky Poopypants is either a teenager repeating it’s abusive father’s rants about Castro (Fidel is so five minutes ago) or senile.
May 31st, 2009 at 5:07 pmPhilip50 Babbles thus:
When will you start leading by example rather than trying to outshout or outcurse those you oppose?
then thus
I voted Democrat because
I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want.
I’ve decided to marry my horse.
Accusing Democratic voters of being zoophilic in his second post is a way to elicit positive debate? And then claims there is “no hypocrisy here”?
Wow. This one troll really goes out of his way to post stupid jabber…
May 31st, 2009 at 5:15 pmMerdad says@ 209;
You might want to remind yourself to do that Merdad.
May 31st, 2009 at 5:18 pmTWIT.
Anyway, back on topic. Here’s Senator Sessions on the issue. Let’s see if he actually sticks to this.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/31/top-republican-has-effusi_n_209474.html
May 31st, 2009 at 5:20 pmMatthew 6:6
But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.
Our parody troll seems to have overlooked this particular teaching of Jesus.
May 31st, 2009 at 5:25 pmMerdadipollo babbles:
GOD HAVE SAID THROUGH HIS SON, THAT MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN
I don’t care what your god said -and he didn’t say that “through his son”, by the way.
Regardless, fact remains that 1) sex between two consenting adults still doesn’t equal zoophilia and 2) the supreme law of the land in the USA is the constitution, not the book of Leviticus or Corinthians.
May 31st, 2009 at 5:26 pmI thought this thread was about Mitch McConnell and his latent racism, not about Jesus, God, Chavez, Morales or any other South American leader. Could we please stick to the topic, or explain how it relates? Thank you one and all. ;)
(You know who I’m talking to. :) )
May 31st, 2009 at 5:28 pmIf the promised land is full of freaks and posers like Merdad. Why the hell would anyone wanna end up spending eternity with a bunch of losers?
What’s with the caps?
May 31st, 2009 at 5:30 pmThat’s just one opinion from 1 believer in 1 of over 2000 so-called gods on Earth and in the heavens.
Remember that superstition is endless, science is forever.
May 31st, 2009 at 5:32 pmMerdad,
Being a Christianista you will surely agree to the invalability of The Bible and the Word Of God? Right? Otherwise, you’re not a true Christianista right?
So let’s get busy here.
From your precious Bible Exodus 21:7 makes it clear that you MUST sell your daughters into slavery. And if any of your neighbors fail to do so then they shall be stoned to death. I’m thinking you are a sinner that must be stoned to death. It’s the word or GOD. Quoting, “I am the LORD.”
May 31st, 2009 at 5:44 pmOur pathetic parody is really tedious
May 31st, 2009 at 5:44 pmAnyway… back on topic…
[Republicans are] going to seem to be the party of Rush Limbaugh, the party of Newt Gingrich, the party of completely crazy accusations against someone who is after all a highly-respectable
“Are going to seem to be”?
But they are -look at the two conservative loons in this thread alone. And let’s not forget Limbaugh is the de facto leader of the Republican party. Crazy, uninformed, and hateful. That’s who they are.
May 31st, 2009 at 5:45 pmPhillip50 and Merdad
Here are four simple words of wisdom for you – ‘eat $shit and die’
May 31st, 2009 at 5:50 pmMcConnell says he leads forty senate republicans…but then says he basically doesnt.
Same with Steele, says he leads, but doesnt.
May 31st, 2009 at 5:51 pmZep,
Just like Bush said the Constitution was a “god damned piece of paper,” to idiots like Steele and McConnell “leadership” is just a god damned word.
May 31st, 2009 at 5:54 pmWhat boggles the mind is that their is no leadership to be seen amongst the moderates (or whats left of them) within the GOP. You have Colin Powell, Susan Colins, and Olympia Snowe who are among those. It seems that they have been absolutley cowed into silence by the whackjobs on the extreme right.
May 31st, 2009 at 5:57 pmUntil the moderates find their voice(s) and repudiate the current leadership, this is what we will have to deal with. The trouble with that is that it dumbs down the dicourse, such as it is and allows for no thoughtful or itellectual discussion of the issues. I have no problem with the opposition of the GOP to Judge Sotomayor’s nomination to the SCOUTS. What I have a problem with is how the opposition is framing their arguments against her. If its this bad now, what will happen when President Obama has an opportunity to make an appointment to the Court that will change the idealogical balance of the court?
Isnt that something? They claim to defend the constitution and love America but they want to destroy the framework the founding fathers created. Which is what makes America. They want a unitary executive, a king with advisers, which is nowhere to be found in the constitution.
May 31st, 2009 at 5:59 pmMerdad,
>b>Leviticus 25:44 says I can own slaves…The word of God. Quoting from Leviticus, “I AM THE LORD”
It’s infallable, right? The Bible is NEVER wrong, right? It’s the word of god, right?
Explain this bullsh|t!!!! If you actually can…hahahaha…
May 31st, 2009 at 6:01 pmXisithrus Says:
Isnt that something? They claim to defend the constitution and love America but they want to destroy the framework the founding fathers created. Which is what makes America. They want a unitary executive, a king with advisers, which is nowhere to be found in the constitution.
May 31st, 2009 at 5:59 pm
And they see absolutely NO contradiction in that! :D
If you haven’t read it, I highly recommend “Conservatives Without Conscience” by John Dean. He really dives into the authoritarian mind set — and it’s way worse than we really know.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:03 pmmerdaddy, I hope we teach our kids to spell a hell of a lot better then you.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:06 pmZooey says:
May 31st, 2009 at 6:09 pmI read that book Zooey. Quite a good read and as good his other books as well. I think what makes Dean such a good writer is that he was a part of an administration (Nixon) that tried that. We know how that turned out.
Merdad:
May 31st, 2009 at 6:09 pmHave you learned the bold feature yet. It will make your messed up all caps bullshit even more absurd and will also allow others to ignore you even more… You are a loser and a fraud. Your parody is the weakest I have seen here. Even neoparody who could never remember to stay in character did better than you…
Its bad enough people feel the need to mock peoples beliefs rather than deal with a particular hypocrisy of a particular person. But if you’re going to, it helps to know something about what you’re talking about.
The passage you quote is from the Torah and is taken from the “Law of Moses”.
Jews are bound by the Law of Moses.
Christians are not.
So you’re actually mocking Jews, not Christians when quoting that passage. You know who else mocked the Jews?
The Nazi’s.
Personally I find it’s better to not mock people’s faith and instead act like a the erudite people we claim to be, i.e. inclusive and non-prejudiced rather than act like a bunch of hypocritical bigots professing to be otherwise.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:09 pm“DYKISM”?????
“DYKISM”?????
“DYKISM”?????
Are you serious you Mitch “Loves Boys” McConnell sucking moron!!!
May 31st, 2009 at 6:09 pmApparently that didn’t post. I’ll try again. Hey, Waynebro, when someone says something that can be even remotely translated into a sleight of Jews or Jewish culture and someone responds to that with the insinuation that the former is a hateful genocidal maniac, I want to tell the latter to go f**k themselves.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:14 pmI saw something on Daily Kos this week that got my attention. When President Clinton nominated Judge Sotomayor to the 2nd District Court, there was a lot of opposition to it from the GOP back then. The reason why, apprantley, is that they (the GOP) identified her as a potential pick for the Supreme Court in the future. So this fight has been building for 10 years.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:15 pmYea?
Well when people consistently demean and ridicule people of faith in general, their beliefs, the Torah, etc, I feel likewise.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:18 pm>Look, I’ve got a big job to dealing with 40 senate Republicans and trying to advance a nation’s agenda.<
Say What?
May 31st, 2009 at 6:18 pmWAYNEBRO Says:
you don’t understand the context.
It is in the book of Leviticas that the hatred of gays is found. (That hatred is not found in the New Testament.) And the Christianistas suck on this Old Testament passage to hate “teh gays” and yet they refuse to follow “all” of gods laws!!! For example, they should not shave like the hasidic Jews or be stoned to death as the book of Leviticus states quite clearly.
They cannot pick and choose their beliefs and verses and claim the entire text of The Bible is “true” and infallable.
It’s pure hypocrisy….
May 31st, 2009 at 6:21 pmAnd what’s more, when someone falsely accuses me of “insinuating” something I never insinuated, then even more so.
I pointed out that the Nazi’s mocked the Jews and desecrated the Torah, thus “insinuating” it was not a good trait to adopt.
Making up crap won’t help sell bigotry.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:22 pmI can see merdaddy has done a good job of highjacking this thread into a religious debate. How about coming back to the topic and just let merdaddy go screw himself?
May 31st, 2009 at 6:24 pmGod didnt write the bible…men did.
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And they see absolutely NO contradiction in that! :D
Conservative was coined by a french elite, it was about keeping the ancien order, that is King, clergy and powerless masses, what Merdad wants to be. Today it would be big business, clergy and powerless masses
May 31st, 2009 at 6:25 pmWrong.
SOME Christians, mostly uneducated and bigoted ones draw on those passages from the Torah which are no longer honored in Judaism as requirements except by certain sects and even then they’re seen as archaic and non binding.
Most Christians do not.
Most Christians read the book from whence their religion came, i.e. the New Testament, and refer to the Old Testament merely for educational purposes.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:25 pmThe bible also tells them not to judge, but its the first thing they ignore and do.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:28 pmWrong again.
In American someone can “pick and choose” their beliefs freely. At least until people who do not believe in the Constitution seize power once and for all. Until then, people are free to believe what they want.
Just like you’re free to not believe in something.
Most of this country is Christian. A small minority of them are classified as “Evangelical”, the ones to whom you’re referring.
Labeling their beliefs and flaws onto the heads of ALL Christians is just like saying all black people are bad because some black people are bad, or all white people are bad because some white people are bad.
So once again, I find it’s best to avoid bigotry and the mocking of race, religion and creed in deference to criticizing the individuals, and certain beliefs (i.e. Jihad for example) which do not belong in decent society.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:31 pmDid you know dat ‘da first 5 books of ‘da Bible and ‘da Torah are ‘da same?????
You seem not to know this….I mean really…no kiddin’….are you that stupid…until now I never thought so…
May 31st, 2009 at 6:31 pmNO Waynebro. The Old Testament Christians draw most of their material from the Old Testament and Revelations (in the New Testament) and sprinkle it with “Jesus”. The vengeful, wrathful God they worship is Old Testament. My mother had me attending Baptist and Southern Baptist churches until I was eleven, and I don’t think there was a single sermon where I wasn’t wondering what were doing in the Old Testament. When I helped with a Sunday school class, I liked to cover Noah’s Ark by saying “Let’s draw animals!”
May 31st, 2009 at 6:31 pmYou mean like you’re judging them now?
Who is “they”? Because “some” Christians are bad they all must be, right?
That’s the very definition of bigotry.
Mocking peoples beliefs is the work of the bigot, and the sign of the dull witted mind, and certainly does not constitute the definition of “progressive”.
Being progressive means being inclusive, not exclusive.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:34 pmWAYNEBRO Says:,
If you understood what you read you would notice that I refer to reich-wing so-called Christians as Christianistas.
I never lump the entire belief system into a group as you imply!!!!!! Get real man!!! Get ahold of yourself. Let go of your Jebus statue!!!!!
May 31st, 2009 at 6:35 pmYou mean like you’re judging them now?
Judging? Hardly, trollops come in here and do it all the time.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:37 pmI cant recall the amount of times the Darylls have come in here and told me my soul needed saving. They are not my judge.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:38 pmWhat are you talking about?
Leviticus IS one of the first 5 books of the bible pinhead.
And as for what constitutes “Torah”, it depends the context, whether you’re referring to “Sefer Torah” or the sacred scrolls, i.e Pentateuch.
Apparently it’s you who are the stupid one.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:38 pmFrom my point of view, I find this religious debate rather boring. Being a person who doesn’t believe in any of these fairy tales, I”m not sure what any of it has to do with the topic of this thread.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:39 pm“Pent” meaning 5 since you’re intellectually challenged here.
5 meaning the first 5 books of the Old Testament, i.e. Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:40 pmBy they it was meant the Darylls, the Merdads. Isnt that what started this debate?
May 31st, 2009 at 6:40 pmSo WAYNEBRO,
You’re the expert!
You are God!
Explain where the “God Hates Fags” sh!t comes from.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:41 pmSo attack Daryl. Not all Christians everywhere, which is what Dixie was doing.
You can’t attack their books, their beliefs and then profess to be inclusive or erudite. Either we accept all and criticize hypocrisy when we see it “like Daryll” or we become that which we hate.
Christians make up the MAJORITY of this nation.
Only a small percent of them make up the group you dislike.
We need to be careful when we mock “Christianity” or the Bible, because when we do, we’re mocking the guy sitting next to us in the voting booth, who likewise believes in the standards and ideals we claim to believe in, who also happens to consider himself Christian.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:43 pmWAYNEBRO,
Thanks for calling me a “pinhead.” It’s just so “Christian” of you….
May 31st, 2009 at 6:45 pmYou just did genius.
Apparently you didn’t know that Leviticus was part of the Torah.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:45 pmMcConnell and Kyle are both examples of the cowardly, fearful politicians the Republican Party has encouraged and given power to these days.
They still think the divisive politics of gays, abortion, and fear of the other (jews, muslims, blacks and hispanics) still works, but when the shit hits the fan, people are more worried about survival then Jim and Tim next door destroying their marriage or their way of life.
These cowards won’t utter the same nasty slurs that we hear from ranters Limpballs, Beck and others, but they won’t disavow them either, for fear of angering the 25% wingnut base.
Dems are not much better, especially Harry Reid, who needs to retire before he totally destroys the Obama agenda in the Senate.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:45 pmWell first, I never claimed to be a Christian. In fact, how many times do we have to have these debates before one of you bothers to look up the meaning of the word “Agnostic”?
Second, try reading your own comments slick.
You called me STUPID, FIRST.
Pinhead therefore was more than a reasonable response.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:48 pmNo, what started this debate if you’d bother to read instead of asking, was people like “Dixie Blood” ridiculing and demeaning Christians in general.
Which is called BIGOTRY by any reasonable person.
I don’t tolerate Bigots on the right, so I sure as hell won’t tolerate them on the left.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:50 pmWaynebro, I appreciate your fervor, but you’re fighting the wrong battle.
As dixie blood points out, the Torah is used by Christianists to justify their hatred of gays. It’s not an isolated sect; it’s pretty much all of the Christianists who want to hate on the gays. They will go to two places in the Bible: Leviticus and Paul.
This is the context in which all of the criticisms are made, the ones you’re reacting against so passionately.
There IS blatant hypocrisy, or at the very least, selective reading of the Bible in this debate, and it’s certainly NOT Xisithrus “judging them now”.
If X claimed to base his arguments on the moral law of the Bible, you might have a case. But he’s simply pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of those (Daryll is an excellent example, Merdad is making a bid to become another) who claim that the Bible infuses their every moral thought, yet they ignore vast tracts of the text. There’s nothing hypocritical in judging others if you haven’t embraced some creed that forbids it.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:50 pmI didnt attack all christians…you assumed I did.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:50 pmI explained what I meant ny they [referring to the trolls here] yet you wont accept that and I really, now, could care less what you think of me.
Ta ta
May 31st, 2009 at 6:53 pmWaynebro, Dixieblood says the following:
And you respond with “Nazis”. Exodus is in the King James edition of the Bible. Moses is revered among Christians. It is no more holy to me that this is a book in the Torah. I’m not Christian. I’m not Jewish. And I reserve the First Amendment right, that you defend so much, to say I don’t carve out a space in my heart for other people’s religions. I don’t lambast them, but I see no reason for non-believers to have to be “respectful” toward Christianist wing-nut propoganda.
They deserve no more respect from me for their beliefs than they show toward mine.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:53 pmMcConnell makes no excuses for how corrupt his party is, but he has no time to think about things like that. If he doesn’t take a stand against the Republicani now he will be eaten alive later on.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:55 pmWAYNEBRO,
So what will do you do to stop the “fag” hatred and murder in this nation…you know…as a Christian…
Wave your Bible around?
May 31st, 2009 at 6:56 pmNo. I wasn’t even talking to you.
I was talking to Dixie, (once again if you’d bother to read).
You just chose to pile on, and I was answering referring to Dixie, not you.
You just “assumed” I was referring to you.
Once more, if you’d bothered to read…
May 31st, 2009 at 6:56 pmBy now it should be clear to you that what you mistook for a general criticism of Christians was in fact meant as a particular criticism of Christianist trolls, of whom we have plenty here.
While you can continue to make your argument that dixie and X criticized Christians in general, you’d come off better if you were able to just accept what they are telling you and move on.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:57 pmWICHITA, Kansas – Prominent late-term abortion provider George Tiller was shot and killed Sunday in a CHURCH where he was serving as an usher, his attorney said. The gunman fled but a city official said a suspect is in custody.
Anti-abortion groups denounced the shooting and stressed that they support only nonviolent protest. The movement’s leaders fear the killing could create a backlash just as they are scrutinizing U.S. Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor, whose views on abortion rights are not publicly known.
May 31st, 2009 at 6:58 pmMcConnell and Reid are twins cut out of the same mold. Both partys have senate leaders, who are simple minded, weak, do nothing leaders. They could switch partys and no one would notice any difference.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:00 pmBadger Says:
WICHITA, Kansas – Prominent late-term abortion provider George Tiller was shot and killed Sunday in a CHURCH where he was serving as an usher, his attorney said. The gunman fled but a city official said a suspect is in custody.
Wasn’t Tiller the doctor who was being held against Sibelius?
May 31st, 2009 at 7:00 pmWhat’s that Judge Judy says, “Beauty is fleeting but Dumb lasts forever”?
:|
Once more pinhead, if you’d bother to read, you’d know I was an Agnostic.
And as such, the way you combat such nonsense is by KNOWING something about what you speak, rather than talking nonsense.
The Evangelicals cling to the Torah, and archaic rules from the Law of Moses, which is how they come up with their “Crusades against Homosexuality”.
So KNOWING something about it before opening your mouth, is usually a good place to start.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:01 pmWAYNEBRO Says:
I said I dont care anymore, now, what you think of me.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:02 pmWell, her views on murder should be evident. This will be the shot heard around the wing-o-sphere. I’m going to see if Kansas has the death penalty.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:03 pmWell if you’re not going to bother to read (I never accused X of that, just Dixie) then you’d be better off “moving on”.
One more pile on isn’t going to clear anything up.
And Dixies comments were mocking more than neoconservative Christians, they were mocking the Bible and Christianity in general. He may have MEANT it another way, and that’s fine.
But it didn’t come out that way. Hint. Mocking their books, and saying “JEBUS” is not respectful to any Christian, anywhere.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:04 pmThat’s good because I don’t recall ever caring about what you thought of me.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:04 pmYep, they do. This guy is a martyr already.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:05 pmWaynebro, Dixie blood and X. Can’t you guys find some religious blog to take this debate to? Its really boring.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:05 pmJebus Jebus Jebus
May 31st, 2009 at 7:07 pmI gotta call bullshit on that, Waynebro. You absolutely DID accuse X of attacking all Christians:
(emphasis mine)
You seem determined to throw kindling on a flame war, for no good purpose. I don’t get it.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:07 pmMay 31st, 2009 at 7:07 pm
For an agnostic(? hahaaha) you love yourself too much Jebus…just sayin’….
Are you a liar too?
May 31st, 2009 at 7:10 pmWhich has absolutely zero to do with the name of “Jesus”.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:10 pmangels81 Says:
Waynebro, Dixie blood and X. Can’t you guys find some religious blog to take this debate to? Its really boring.
You must be new here. Arguments like this one, with a cast like this, can literally go on for hours. Days, maybe.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:10 pmDidnt say it did, did I?
But just keep assuming…mmkk?
May 31st, 2009 at 7:11 pmNo. That’s just the way you read them, and you refuse to release that reading.
Given the context of this thread, it’s entirely reasonable to read dixie’s comments the same way dixie claims they were meant. And since dixie is the author of those comments, perhaps that’s the more authoritative perspective. Not yours.
But if you’re intent on alienating everyone who responds to you on this, that’s your call. I just don’t see what purpose it serves.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:12 pmLike most bigots, when your brain encounters a fact you cannot deal with, you simply ignore it, and label the person into the category you find easier to dismiss.
No asswipe, you don’t have to “BE” a Christian to “KNOW” something about Christianity.
Just like I don’t have to be Jewish, to know something about Judaism.
Of course, by your logic, I must be both a Christian, AND a Jew.
:|
Go figger.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:13 pmI know this could go on for days, but I just hope that one of them would wake the f**k up.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:13 pmDid you hear the one about the agnostic and atheist?
The agnostic found a 5 dollar bill on the ground and ask the atheist what he should do.
The atheiest said, “Find the owner and give it back.”
The agnostic said, “Well, if there’s no god, then I can keep it.”
May 31st, 2009 at 7:15 pmAnyway, McConnell seems to be saying ‘my party, right or wrong’
Quite sad when it comes to that.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:16 pmFirst of all, his comments since then mocking Christianity, Jesus, the Bible, etc, PROVE “my interpretation” was accurate.
Second, I read comments every stinking day in here by the myriad of “regulars” who mock Christians in general, and RELIGION in general. They mock their beliefs, their books, their faith, everything.
If you want to act stupid, and pretend you know nothing of such things, then that’s your call.
But I’ve had this debate before, and likely will have it again, as bigotry is not a characteristic peculiar to the right wing. It exists here, and it exists everywhere.
And any TRUE “Progressive”, would condemn it whenever they see it.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:17 pmwaynebro, any true progressive would think you’re all crazy with the god in the sky stuff.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:19 pmInteresting note at #236, Jim Wolf.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:19 pmSo you just “Randomly” pulled out a definition of “JEBUS”, right after I pointed out that calling “Jesus” “Jebus” was disrespectful, and then you just defiantly said “JEBUS JEBUS JEBUS” , for NO reason?
You just happened to google that and post that and say “JEBUS JEBUS JEBUS” “AFTER” I had pointed out that it was disrespectful to Christians to call him that, ….but it had NOTHING to do with anything.
Just some sort of Tourettes Syndrome thing?
THATS what you’d like me to believe?
:|
So it begins.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:22 pmWhatever, dude. I didn’t insult you, nor did I accuse you of “acting stupid”, but you feel compelled to dismiss my comments that way.
You obviously have an ax to grind, and you’re determined to grind the shit out of it. Have fun. I’m just not gonna be your grindstone. If someone else wants to indulge you, they’re welcome to it. Just know that you’re not changing any minds with this approach. If that even matters to you.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:23 pmThis from a bigot calling itself “Angels81″?
First of all moron, try looking up the definition of the word “AGNOSTIC”. Get your mom to help since you’re too ignorant to read it yourself.
Then, try learning something about bigotry, the founding of this country on RELIGIOUS Freedom, then comparing that to your bigoted version of being called a “progressive”
Because you’ll find there’s no room for your type of bigotry in a party calling itself “progressive”.
And yes, mocking their beliefs as “god in the sky stuff” is hubris on a level that makes any decent person want to vomit.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:25 pmThen why’d you start grinding?
Don’t like the response? Don’t pile on the shitpile next time.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:28 pmSo whose God or Jesus ordered the murder of the Kansas physician who performs legal abortions while on his way into his church this morning?
I’m sure that God and Jesus are as proud of murder in Their name as Allah is with the slaughter of thousands in His name.
More blood has been spilled by man in the name of some Invisible Sky Overlord than all other reasons combined. How odd.
PEACE
May 31st, 2009 at 7:29 pmJebus means jerusualem, why would any christian object to that word?
May 31st, 2009 at 7:29 pm#273
…the connection, however slight, between Dr. Tiller and Govenor Kathleen Sibelius, President Obama’s nominee as Secretary of HHS. The right-wing has gone apoplectic over the Sibelius nomination because of her defense of reproductive rights and ties to Planned Parenthood and to Dr. Tiller. They know each other! She accepted an award from Planned Parenthood! Oh my!
Dr. Tiller was one of the few late-term abortion providers in the country. He had previously been shot, his clinic burnt down, harassed by ideological anti-abortion attorney generals, and threatened with death countless times… Still, Dr. Tiller continued to provide abortions to women who desperately needed them, to save their own lives or health, or due to tragic fetal deformities. He put the health of women above his own life.
And now he is dead.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:29 pmGee you’re right Spencers Mom.
ALL Christians are guilty.
Lets round em up, and put em in Kamps.
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We can make them wear paper Crosses on their shirts to distinguish them from us “progressives”.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:29 pmWhy is that Waynebro? Why should non-believers consider the religious beliefs of others to be sacred? Does that include the beliefs that women should submit to their husbands, and gays should be persecuted when it’s cloaked with religion? Does this also extend to the belief in UFOs, astrology, Scientology, Krishna’s, Creationists? Where do you draw the line on what is sacred, and why should I care?
May 31st, 2009 at 7:32 pmweird with a beard…
May 31st, 2009 at 7:32 pmWaynebro, I’m not a troll; don’t treat me like one. Like I said, i didn’t insult you, I tried to discuss a different perspective with you, and you accuse me of “acting stupid”.
So, yeah, I don’t like the response. It’s classless and unimaginative. It’s actually pretty close in tone to the very kinds of comments you’re claiming to decry.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:32 pmspencers mom
you took the words right out of my mouth — or rather right off my keyboard!
Too much blood has been shed because of religions – collections of superstitions and practices and traditions that have evolved to beset mankind since the stone age.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:33 pmWAYNEBRO,
I’ve always known you here as a great blogster.
I never try to start a fight with anyone here…except the trolls…
and I never have considered you to be a troll by any means…
Whatever I posted to get you going should be considered as non-personal to you and my own opinion only…I thought that was the spirit of blogging…
In your world democracy is dead and long live Jebus, right?
Thought so…
May 31st, 2009 at 7:33 pmWe’re always asking how the Nazi’s were able to sway an entire nation into the persecution of a single religious group.
Well, now we know.
It didn’t start in a day, a week, a month, or a year.
It didn’t start in the Reichstag, or in the halls of German justice.
It started in the lowly meeting places…the beerhalls.
It started with a group of people, who thought themselves superior. It started with a joke, a mock, a smug chortle, and a pat on the back to the one making the joke, from those sitting around laughing at it.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:34 pmWaynebro, thanks for the laugh, I found your rant good fun.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:34 pmSo if spencers mom was assigning guilt to “ALL Christians”, then Waynebro was accusing ALL of us of being Nazis.
Nice.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:36 pmWell done, angels81. That’s the best response.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:37 pmIs the killing of the doctor going to be classified as a case of “domestic terrorism?”
May 31st, 2009 at 7:37 pmYou seriously cheapen persecution, Waynebro. I don’t think the move away from holding the Bible sacred is much different from the move away from the belief that the world is flat. No one is promoting persecution—except the Christianista wing-nuts, like, perhaps the one who executed a doctor in church this morning.
The Third Reich had a saying, btw—kuche, kinder, kirsche.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:38 pmHow you can assume that bigotry, whether racial, religious or otherwise could be considered “non-personal” to anyone considering themselves “progressive” is beyond me.
And what’s most telling is your insistence on my being a “Christian” because I defend Christians.
To the bigot, only those belonging to his target group would defend his target group.
The bigot never sees why decent people might stand up for a principle they believe in, rather than the person being attacked.
Perhaps thats the only way they can defend their bigotry.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:39 pmCome to think of it the letter J is a recent phonic. So if any of you here call Yeschue/Yeshua/Yaweh/YodheyVavhey Jesus I will be quite insulted!!!
Heh
May 31st, 2009 at 7:40 pmThe killing of this doctor should be classified as an act of domestic terrorism, but I doubt it will. It will be written off as just some sick nutball who acted all on his own. The people who keep throwing gasoline on the fire, will not be taken to task for their words of hate.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:41 pmAnother killing, I wonder if the guy, like Adkisson, had read books by Hannity as well.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:44 pm[Update: 51-year old suspect now in custody.]
Tiller was better known to Fox “News” viewers as “Tiller the Baby Killer”, as he’s long been described by Bill O’Reilly who has spent years targeting Tiller on the most-watched show in cable news. O’Reilly has long demonized him with allegations of performing illegal late-term abortions, characterized as murder by O’Reilly and his guests.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:44 pmO’Reilly was the catalyst for another righteous lunatic who shot up a church last summer — but he doesn’t see that his words have consequences — or if he does see the consequences, perhaps he is pleased.
You cheapen progressivism every time you mock people of faith as a whole by mocking their beliefs and all they hold sacred, and lumping in the murder of a doctor by some NUT, with Christianity as a whole, which you just did with your “world is flat” nonsense.
And the Nazis (which I need no instructions from you on) had another saying. “arbeit macht frei”, which meant “work makes you free”. And they posted that saying on the gates over Auswitz-Birkenau, and several other death kamps where they gassed over 6 million Jews, Roman Catholics, Gypsies, Homosexuals, etc.
And they did it, because bigotry overruled their senses.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:47 pmMark my words, this guy will say that god told him to kill this doctor.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:48 pmMcConnell has more important things to do than be a leader and set the tone for his party.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:49 pmHey Mitch, you can crawl back under the bed now.
Wow! I tried to back this fight down with this phuck and he refused. He doubled down…
What an “agnostic” Jebus loving loser this “blogster” or troll is!
May 31st, 2009 at 7:52 pmWAYNEBRO, I was one of your defenders when you got into it a few weeks back with Max. At the time, it seemed like a simple misunderstanding that you conflated into some big attack on you, your views, your religion, whatever.
But now you’ve come after so many here, including me, so all bets are off. There appears to be an increasing level of PDQ* running through your veins.
(PDQ = Paranoid Drama Queen)
PEACE
May 31st, 2009 at 7:54 pmEspecially if WAYNEBRO is BARTLEBEE.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:54 pmSo stop talking about it and start voting for a candidate who will promise to “round up” anyone who “believes in God”.
You’re not after all attacking the action of murder, which happens every few minutes in this country for one reason or another.
You’re attacking a belief in a god or deity. You’re attacking people of faith. So, why not start rounding them up?
Lets smash in their store fronts. Make them post “Crosses” in their store front windows. Lets make them all wear “Papierkreuze” (paper crosses) on their lapels so we can distinguish them from the more erudite, superior atheists and agnostics, and lets arrest any who refuse to wear one.
That’ll teach em.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:55 pmOlder news:
link
The following are excerpts from an article and not contiguous in the original.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:55 pm
They have to kill because they’re “pro life”.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:55 pmRandall Terry, the founder of anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who led protests against George Tiller’s clinic in Wichita, Kansas issued a statement:
May 31st, 2009 at 7:55 pm“George Tiller was a mass-murderer. We grieve for him that he did not have time to properly prepare his soul to face God. I am more concerned that the Obama Administration will use Tiller’s killing to intimidate pro-lifers into surrendering our most effective rhetoric and actions….”
Terry does not grieve for Tiller or denounce the murder but seems more concerned about President Obama’s reaction and what it bodes for the pro-life movement.
OOPs. link
May 31st, 2009 at 7:55 pmOkay, what about people like Coulter and Hannity, Limbaugh and O’Reilly who write books, plenty of them, grouping people together so as to demonize them?
May 31st, 2009 at 7:56 pmMan, thats what I was wondering, I just couldnt remember the name.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:57 pmI could care less what you think of me because this isn’t about me. It’s about bigotry, something I’ll always confront whenever it raises its’ ugly head.
Don’t like it? Tough.
May 31st, 2009 at 7:57 pmI have see many pro-lifers also claim to be pro-war. Like that guy in Austin, Hagee, I think it was, that wanted war in the mideast, to bring about armageddon.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:01 pmThat would make sense, Shayne. There is a similarity in the fervor and the tone, isn’t there?
May 31st, 2009 at 8:02 pmSo if we don’t elevate the beliefs of others above our own, we’re bigots? Uh-huh. We’ll be burning Christians at the stake weeks from now. Progressives are in the habit of persecuting people for their beliefs, now, or are just warming up.
When religion isn’t sacred to someone, it’s not generally worth a whole lot of energy, unless it begins to encroach on ones life as the American Taliban would like to do. There is a long history of religious groups persecuting people of other religious faiths because they consider their brand to be sacred. I consider none of them to be sacred. You do what you will, but you aren’t really serving yourself well by relating the speech of non-believes who openly reject religion to Nazis and accusing them of being, on the whole, indecent people.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:03 pmSee? The bigots never change. Just their topic of hatred changes.
I’m a “Jesus lover” for defending Christians (and Jews and Muslims, go figure that one…) even though I’m an agnostic.
Just like if this were about black people, then that would make me a “n#$$er lover”, to the bigots.
The specifics change, but the words never do.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:03 pmQueen WAYNEBRO, kindly go phuck yourself.
Don’t like it? Tough.
PEACE
May 31st, 2009 at 8:05 pmwaynebro, once again, thanks for the laugh. I do like comic relief, but you need to work on your delivery.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:06 pmGo find the sentence bigot, where I told you to “elevate the beliefs of others above your own”.
Inventing straw arguments and lies is all the bigot can do, because the truth does not bode well for him, nor his bigoted positions.
Not MOCKING the beliefs of others in no way means “elevating” them above your own.
I defend Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindu’s, Atheists, Agnostics, and everything in between.
At no time do I “elevate” their beliefs above my own, or ask anyone else to.
Mutual RESPECT is all that’s required to be a progressive.
Respect for all beliefs including those that you find laughable.
The lowbrow and the dullwit always finds reasons to mock the beliefs that do not coincide with his own.
The rest of us learn to find respect for those who differ from us.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:07 pmEspecially with the propensity to argue ad nauseum.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:07 pmspencers mom Says:
Queen WAYNEBRO, kindly go phuck yourself.
Don’t like it? Tough.
PEACE
… snort …
Hey, I thought you did double peace on Sunday! ;=)
May 31st, 2009 at 8:08 pmBut…but… you’re the , agnostic, Jebus lovin’ bigot…that’s posting here for what, why???
Gotta goal in mind?? Or just here to phuck up the world in general?
May 31st, 2009 at 8:08 pmXisithrus Says:
They have to kill because they’re “pro life”.
I have see many pro-lifers also claim to be pro-war.
Don’t forget pro-death penalty. Because the bible says “an eye for an eye” dontcha know…
Too bad how that DNA stuff proved that innocents were murdered via the legal death penalty.
No wonder Jesus wept.
PEACE
May 31st, 2009 at 8:09 pmMay 31st, 2009 at 8:09 pm
I’ve had enough “churchifying” on this thread to last me through the decade.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:10 pmwaynebro: One more thing. When you bring religious beliefs on to a public blog, you open yourself up to anyones opinion. I don’t care what anyone believes, as long as they keep it to themselves. When it becomes a topic on a blog, its fair game to all opinions.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:11 pmMay 31st, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Is it just me, or does WAYNEBRO’s lazy and indiscriminate use of the term “bigot” reminds anyone else of our friend jay?
May 31st, 2009 at 8:11 pmFine. I’m a bigot. When you get on your white stallion, you’ll argue til the cows come home, Waynebro. You seem to get some kind of holier-than-thou kick out of calling most of us bigots, and insinuating that we are in danger of becoming monsters.
Defend the Christianistas all you want. But to be consistent, when they go into more churches and shoot more people because of their “beliefs” you need to defend the holiness of those beliefs, o.k.?
May 31st, 2009 at 8:12 pmOnce more, try reading.
I didn’t “bring” anything up.
I merely responded and stood up to bigotry.
And for that, all you “erudite progressives” have told me to go “phuck myself”, in one for or another.
Proving bigotry is contagious, and it is exclusive to those who see themselves as superior to that which they dislike.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:13 pmShayne, only until noon. Then it’s on to double shots. ;-D
PEACE
May 31st, 2009 at 8:13 pm“Becoming”?
:|
May 31st, 2009 at 8:14 pmFine. I’m a monster.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:17 pmThe Nazi’s were good about patting themselves on the back too, as they mocked the “dirty little Jew”, and their beliefs.
Racist pigs in Selma were good about patting each other on the back as they mocked the “n$#%ers” and the “n##%^er-lovers” who defended them.
The mob seldom has difficulty making themselves feel better by a few well placed “go phuck yourself”s” and a few self gratifying flattering comments, which is why it’s so easy for bigotry to seize a nation.
Because when it starts, there be few who desire to take the wrath of the mob.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:18 pmwaynebro, You mean you stood up by calling everyone who didn’t agree with you a bigot. What a f**king joke. You really are a funny guy.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:18 pmwaynebro, you call yourself an agnostic, and it wasn’t to long ago when christians would have burned you at the stake for being a hertic, and you are defending them?
May 31st, 2009 at 8:21 pm“all you ‘erudite progressives’ have told me to go ‘phuck myself”?
I counted one poster who used that phrase with you.
WAYNEBRO wouldn’t be criticizing ALL “erudite progressives” because of the words of one, would he?
Wouldn’t that be… BIGOTRY?????
Perish the thought!
May 31st, 2009 at 8:22 pmThey didn’t “mock” them moron! They killed them. They gassed them. A$$hole!!!
They murdered them you bastard!!!
May 31st, 2009 at 8:27 pmChill, dixie. BARTLEBEE, er… WAYNEBRO isn’t worth your anger. He’s just a lonely dude who gets off on conflict. If none presents itself in the form of a troll, he will create it.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:33 pmIn all fairness Ralph, two posters. I happen to find it egregious to be compared to Nazis over a slope so ridiculously slippery that it’s vertical. That it’s being repeatedly rammed up our as*es as some righteous crusade is sad. There is real persecution happening in this world, and to compare that suffering to not having one’s religious expressions exalted above one’s lack thereof, is a disservice to the people in this world who are truly persecuted.
Anyone who needs other people to uphold their religious beliefs on a political forum is not, IMO, ready to be Progressive, and should, perhaps be dealing with their own issues of faith in an appropriate forum. I have no problem with people exercising their religious or spiritual life. I happen to hold my spiritual beliefs as sacred to such a degree that I don’t broadcast them in political forums.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:35 pmOK ralph,
I’m gone. I will chill.
I guess WAYNEBRO rules the day. Wow, are we screwed…
May 31st, 2009 at 8:39 pmI remember when lots of folks here said Texas, where I live, is full of dumb rednecks.
I laughed about WayneBro. I even make fun of Texans myself.
And really I dont see bigotry here but differences in opinion.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:39 pmThanks for the correction, wiley.
Upon re-reading, I also decipher that WAYNEBRO probably meant to say that all of us “erudite progressives” told him to go phuck himself in one FORM or another.
So I suppose that could mean that he’s not necessarily a BIGOT by his definition; he’s just a paranoid drama queen, as spencers mom noted.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:40 pmAnd so I made a verbal error and wrote ‘they’ instead of trolls. My bad. I apologize if I offended anyone, except the trolls, that is.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:41 pmDon’t go dixie blood. I don’t think that’s what ralph meant. I think he meant it’s not worth upsetting yourself.
And, we we were the victims of an attack by the Christian troll. I didn’t see anybody defending us against the constant onslaught by Merdad.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:43 pmCorrection: I laughed about *that* Waynebro
May 31st, 2009 at 8:43 pmMerdad Says: hey pinky comrade here is another fruit cake libs
Bigot!
May 31st, 2009 at 8:44 pmI can relate. Having been born and raised in Chicago I’ve gotten really tired of the attacks on “Chicago politicians.” You’d think it was the 1920’s in Chicago and Al Capone and Eliot Ness are running around with machine guns.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:45 pmMerdad, your so obsessed with gay people, I wonder if you might be closeted still. The guilty dog barks first, you know?
May 31st, 2009 at 8:45 pmBigotry: noun
Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion: intolerance, prejudice.
After all the Religious Right has put this country through in the last few decades, I would say I have a RATIONAL fear and suspicion of religious fundamentalists.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:45 pmYeah WAYNEBRO, attack us not Merdad.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:46 pmOh my, I think we now know the reason Merdad is a homophobe, he hates himself for what he has done!!
May 31st, 2009 at 8:47 pmThey arent??
[I keeding =}
May 31st, 2009 at 8:48 pmNon believers defend themselves against zealots who push their religion at political blogs. Believers gun down doctors at church on Sunday and then don’t worry about the dead doctor and his family but how this will effect their cause. Does anybody really believe that this is what Jesus envisioned?
May 31st, 2009 at 8:49 pmI wonder if Merdad, bigot, remembers when Cuba was a tropical paradise many Americans visited. Why even Limbaugh, much later, took a trip there, alone, with a bottle of viagra, that wasnt his [Hmmm. Oh my! another Merdad!]
May 31st, 2009 at 8:50 pmGay or straight Merdad isn’t getting laid. He hates himself for what he wants to do maybe.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:50 pmMaybe Merdad is Rush’s “traveling companion”.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:51 pmI doubt it. Jesus was also communal, Yet today some are all for empire and capitalism which Jesus would not, I think, have been.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:54 pmThanks, Shayne. That’s exactly what I meant — it’s not worth upsetting yourself.
dixie, I appreciate having you around. Please don’t go on account of me.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:55 pmMerdad Says:
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Bridget Johnson contributed to this report
May 31st, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Bridget Johnson is a columnist at the Los Angeles Daily News and a regular contributor to National Review OnLine ; she also blogs at GOP Vixen.
“GOP Vixen” !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You sorry fu(ktard ………
May 31st, 2009 at 8:56 pmI wonder if he calls those nightmares or wet dreams?
May 31st, 2009 at 8:56 pmGeez, MCM… I’m amazed that you’re even bothering to scan Merdad’s merde. I’m just blowing past it, fully aware that it would be a waste of time to do anything else.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:58 pmI remember Bartlebee as being quite intelligent, but at times just couldnt let go of an argument.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:59 pmYou know the Methodist church and Quackers have a long history (by U.S. standards) of doing Christ-like work to lift up the downtrodden. As a vehicle for organizing, the left hasn’t found much better than church organizations for the Civil Rights and anti-war movements. Perhaps we Progressives can find ways evolve to make the internet so effective.
But, the onus of protecting religious institutions is on those institutions. I applaud Christians who defend their beliefs when they are consonant with a free society, and they are defending their church from being associated with the American Taliban. Personally, I don’t knock people simply for holding onto religious beliefs or non-religious beliefs.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:59 pmLink
These so called Christians have so much respect for Christ that they follow doctors to church to gun them down.
May 31st, 2009 at 9:00 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
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Geez, MCM… I’m amazed that you’re even bothering to scan Merdad’s merde. I’m just blowing past it, fully aware that it would be a waste of time to do anything else.
May 31st, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Yeah , but when you confront the GOP tools with facts/a brief bio of the partisan GOP stooge sources they use , they tend to not fu(k up any more of the thread with their asinine copy and pastes of utter useless and idiotic drivel………
May 31st, 2009 at 9:03 pmI will keep flagging merdaddy. He doesn’t come here to debate, he only comes here to troll. I have no time for pricks like him.
May 31st, 2009 at 9:07 pm“Copypasta” is a great term. THNX, Intrepid.
May 31st, 2009 at 9:08 pmSeriously, I appreciate MerdeHead starting it’s posts the way it does because its so much easier to scroll on by!
By tomorrow MerdeHead will be banned and all the merde it left on the parade route will be cleaned up. Just watch where you step in the meantime.
And Ralph, sorry, it was I who told Queen WAYNE to phuck off. But in my defense, I added “kindly” and signed it, as always:
PEACE
May 31st, 2009 at 9:09 pmwow.
i went out to the garden at about #110ish… back in and resting, refresh to see THE SAME THREAD… ONE THREAD…!
what’s that about???
… and over 330 comments… began reading again, up to 150… but this load really slows my old laptop too much… annoying!
as i write, the count is 356 @ 8:18pm… and if phillip is still around, there’s a lot of stoopid to wade through…
here goes…
May 31st, 2009 at 9:11 pmand i wanted to point out this bit of information, concerning the hateful murder of an abortion provider… found it weird, but not surprising:
At Tiller’s church, Adam Watkins, 20, said he was sitting in the middle of the congregation when he heard a small pop at the start of the service.
“We just thought a child had come in with a balloon and it had popped, had gone up and hit the ceiling and popped,” Watkins said.
Another usher came in and told the congregation to remain seated, then escorted Tiller’s wife out. “When she got to the back doors, we heard her scream, and so we knew something bad had happened,” Watkins said.
He said the service continued even after an associate pastor announced that Tiller had been injured. “We were just really shocked,” he said. “We were kind of dumbfounded. We couldn’t really believe it had happened.”
[...]
“the service continued”… carry on folks… nothing to worry about…
cold.
i am so thankful president obama made such a forceful statement of condemnation…
sending money to NARAL… again.
May 31st, 2009 at 9:22 pmNo apology necessary, spencers mom. I thought you were totally justified. It just seemed so odd that our friend would cause such a scene about people smearing ALL Christians, and then turn around and do the same thing to ALL progressives.
Well… not odd, really. Fairly typical, in fact. But definitely hypocritical.
May 31st, 2009 at 9:26 pmJiminy Cricket. One of the reasons I stopped attending church when I was 13 was because I was afraid I would just snap, stand up, and start railing at the solipsistic absorption in the “word”. I could see myself yelling, “It’s the fruits! It’s the fruits! A child understands! Why are you so stupid!”
May 31st, 2009 at 9:30 pmYes katy it’s unbelievable how loathesome those people are. I posted a link at 389. I hope President Obama throws the full weight of the anti-terrorism folks into finding out who the conspirators are. Frankly as political as they are all churches need to be taxed as corporations. But in the meantime they can use RICO to take the profits from all the hate groups who are involved in domestic terrorism.
May 31st, 2009 at 9:35 pmI’m defending them and all religious people against the bigotry of religious intolerance.
And as for “burning me at the stake”, that’s a prime example of the results of “intolerance” from any side of this coin.
Most of you are pretty good people, but not when you climb on your “anti-religion” stumps. Then you sound no different than bigots from any walk of life. I’m sorry you can’t see that and that’s why I speak up when I see it. Not always mind you. I usually sit idly by and listen day in and day out as the “regulars” mock people of faith and their beliefs. But from time to time I say “enough”.
And tonight is one of those times.
May 31st, 2009 at 9:37 pmSo, I can’t say anything negative about the religion I was forced to participate in?
May 31st, 2009 at 9:42 pmLook at it this way. I speak up about mocking of religious people, and I’m repeatedly called a “Jebus lover”.
I could right now, at this very moment, step into one of many Neo Nazi and White Supremacist blogs and speak up against racial intolerance and be called a “n#$$er lover”.
You see a difference, I do not.
In severity perhaps, but not in spirit.
Intolerance is intolerance, and when its permitted to fester, it grows like a cancer and infects all that it comes in contact with.
Like I said, Nazi Germany did not become Nazi Germany overnight. It took time. And it took the dehumanizing of a specific group of people by the general masses, der guten volk, as it were, before it became the nightmare that it became. We’re not there yet, but there’s a serious factor in the progressive movement that has zero tolerance for religion. Bill Maher, with his smug arrogance and hatred of all that is religious has helped seed it, and fuel it, and it’s spreading like a wild fire. We’ve had this discussion many times now, and I can only hope we never have to have it again. All I’m saying is look within once in a while. Because it’s never the enemy without that destroys a group or a movement, but the enemy within.
May 31st, 2009 at 9:45 pmOT: Thought this was interesting.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-05-31/the-dignity-of-george-w-bush-2/?cid=hp:blogunit1
May 31st, 2009 at 9:45 pmI didn’t say that. I was brought up in a religious family too, and rebelled too. But I don’t condemn the religious as a whole. And I don’t consistently mock them.
How is a Christian supposed to come into blogs like these, and feel comfortable? How is a Muslim, or a Jew, who shares our common goals supposed to feel welcome within our ranks?
The festering seed of intolerance has always been the cancer in every country that permits it to grow, and thus if you want to be intolerant about something, then try being intolerant about intolerance.
May 31st, 2009 at 9:49 pmPeople don’t choose their race, Waynebro. They embrace their religious beliefs by choice, just as I embrace mine. When people use their religious beliefs as justification for their bigotry, e.g, GOD HATES FAGS, they are making their beliefs fair game. I see nothing noble in tolerating such sentiments and no need to genuflect before their religion. Since this is a political blog, they pay their nickel and take their chances. I would never dream of going into a religious forum and criticizing the beliefs of those who went there to discuss those beliefs. I am fair.
May 31st, 2009 at 9:52 pmLWAYNEBRO Says:
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How is a Christian supposed to come into blogs like these, and feel comfortable? How is a Muslim, or a Jew, who shares our common goals supposed to feel welcome within our ranks?
May 31st, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Umm , how about they start delving/believing in facts/proof , as opposed to “FAITH” , which is nothing more than delusional hope ?
I don’t care if anyone wants to be religious ; just don’t go quoting scripture or trying to use anything written in the Bible , because it’s nothing more than glorified fairy tales …..
May 31st, 2009 at 9:57 pmSome worldviews are worthy of nothing but ridicule and scorn. And ever since Fallwell’s bunch of freaks hijacked the GOP? Modern American political Evangelism is one of those world views that deserve scorn.
And I’ll leave it at that. If you can’t see that simple truth, and the difference between people of Faith and the psychotic sheep the GOP rode to power? It ain’t worth trying to argue.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:06 pmI have no problem with condemning bigotry in religion and I do it often. And when a certain group, i.e the Evangelical movement draws on the Torah to justify their hatred of homosexuals, then by all means condemn that. But what I saw you doing was more than that. You were mocking the bible as a whole and laughing at it, not just their misuse of it. And you never seemed to grasp that actual “Christians” as a whole do not adhere to the Law of Moses, thus quoting Exodus or Leviticus is fine, but it’s also important when doing that to not attack the entire concept of Christianity, Judaism, or the Bible, which to many people, including people in here, is a sacred book. And your comments once our discussion got underway as well as others comments, confirmed what I am saying about intolerance of religion and religious beliefs.
Think of it this way. How many times do we attack the desecration of the Koran by US “interrogators” in Iraq? How many times have we spoken up about this? Yet for some reason we have no problem doing it here when it comes to the Bible. It’s a double standard and we need to be on guard for this sort of intolerance before we find ourselves wearing the Jackboots, and asking ourselves how we ended up like those whom we hate.
You can condemn hypocrisy without condemning the sacred beliefs of millions of good people who would never number themselves among those few who have bastardized their religions to support their own bigotry. Jesus never said a WORD about homosexuality. Not a WORD. In fact he never really said much at all about any sort of “sexual transgression”, but instead chose to focus on bigotry, hypocrisy and intolerance. And thus MOST Christians do not fixate on it either, and it’s those to whom we should seek alliance with.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:07 pmThe whole idea that God needs to be defended by us, is to me, the pinnacle of human hubris.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:08 pmAnd it’s just this sort of arrogant intolerance, to which I despise and speak out against.
It’s this same sort of pompous, smug bigotry that has fueled so many wars, as well as the Holocaust.
It starts with a beerhall joke, a mock of the “stupid little Jew” and his “Gott”, and ends up in the ovens.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:11 pmFrom a friend of mine on “Why I Voted Democrat”
When you do THAT to them, in your case, they’re more than a friend, they are your cousin.
Once again, the Regressive attempt at humor falls flat on it’s face, which happens when cranial-rectal-insertion is present.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:12 pmYes, when religion becomes part of government policy it’s a problem. I have a problem with evangelicals handing out bibles in Aghanistan, as much as I have a problem with soldiers spitting on the Koran. Separation of Church and State must be lived—not just legislated—to achieve its end of maintaining a secular state.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:13 pmreligion is poison to a society
it is not harmless belief in nonsense
it is a license to kill, steal, rape, etc in the minds of believers
wasting one’s short life preparing for a fictional afterlife is sad
telling children to do the same is child abuse
May 31st, 2009 at 10:14 pmKyl and the Republicans have a real problem on their hands with the white-hot talk coming from the likes of Limbaugh and Gingrich. You need to look no further than today’s happening to understand why.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:14 pmBigotry blinds even the smartest among us. And it blinds you.
Which is why you cannot see that I am not, nor have I ever been suggesting the need to defend “the idea of God”, but the right to the idea of God.
The same intolerance that fuels the hatred by certain factions on the right for homosexuals, fuels the hatred for those in here against people of faith.
If I were to mock a Homosexual right now, and their way of life, I’d be flamed worse than I’ve been flamed here already, and rightly so.
Yet due to the blindness that is bigotry, you cannot translate that same abhorrence for the mocking of homosexuality, to the mocking of the religious.
Which is why bigotry always wins out with the mob.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:17 pmTP ate my link in 413. Link should hav read as “happening to understand why.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:19 pmwayne
the major flaw in your argument is this:
people CHOOSE religion
people do not choose their sexuality
May 31st, 2009 at 10:19 pmTP did it again. “happening to understand why”. http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/31/kansas.doctor.killed/index.html
May 31st, 2009 at 10:19 pmmocking someone for CHOOSING to believe in such obvious falsehoods is not the same as mocking someone for being born homosexual
your comparison fails
May 31st, 2009 at 10:20 pmWell then, like I said lets start “rounding them up”.
First we’ll “outlaw” religion.
Then we can start smashing in the windows of religious book stores, and churches.
We’ll make the religious wear little paper crosses for the Christians, and for the Muslims a little paper sickle.
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For the Jews, we’ll, we’ve got that one covered.
I’m sure we can dig up some of the old “Juden” stars from pre-war Germany, and save a few bucks.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:21 pmwhy go to such extremes?
no one is suggesting violently suppressing religion
but social engineering through relentless ridicule is fair
May 31st, 2009 at 10:22 pmi believe people suffering from religion should be offered the help they need
no need to “round them up”
don’t be silly
May 31st, 2009 at 10:23 pmPersonally, I don’t think lying to people is ever a favor. If asked? The only answer I can give in good conscience is that I think there are no gods and all religions are fairy tales. As such, they have no place in deciding affairs of state as has been proven by the butcher of millions. I’m as certain of that as I am that gravity attracts objects to each other.
Why on Earth would I lie and say anything else? Why would I risk further dependence on delusions, in an attempt to spare the feelings of those who can’t or won’t accept big swaths of reality, to the peril of us all?
May 31st, 2009 at 10:24 pmReally? Well there are some who argue that homosexuality is a choice, at least with some homosexuals.
And what about transvestites? Is it ok to mock them? They weren’t “born” that way, which is why they go through the surgical procedures.
Where does it start? Where does it end? And who decides?
You?
The mob?
Intolerance is intolerance, and the definition of a bigot isn’t limited in this country to merely bigotry against those “born” a certain way. In this country, we do not tolerate discrimination or bigotry based on race, creed, color, sexual preference or religion.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:24 pmthere will always be good people who do good things
there will always be evil people who do evil things
but to get a good person to do an evil thing takes religion
May 31st, 2009 at 10:26 pmwayne, tolerance of beliefs in obvious falsehoods is dangerous
these people deserve compassion, but they do need help facing reality
belief in religion is a mental illness and people suffering from it need and deserve help
May 31st, 2009 at 10:27 pmpeople CHOOSE religion
people do not choose their sexuality
Well, actually, both are related to brain chemistry and the “wiring” of each individual, so I see no difference in the perception of the degree of abhorrence toward “lifestyle” decisions.
I think religion is a waste of time, personally, but then again, so is my cannabis habit when you get right down to it.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:28 pmbut to get a good person to do an evil thing takes religion
Really?
This is the only path you’ve been apprised of?
May 31st, 2009 at 10:29 pmteaching someone to believe in fantasy is like teaching them to drive on the wrong side of the road
they endanger others with thier delusions
May 31st, 2009 at 10:30 pmI wonder what the torture apologists would think if we sent the man who we believe shot Dr. Tiller down to Gitmo and waterboard him until he gives up all the people he’s been conspiring with.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:31 pmraising a child to believe in magic is child abuse
teaching them to waste this short life preparing for a fictional afterlife is downright cruel
May 31st, 2009 at 10:32 pmi’ll have to catch up with you guys tomorrow, it’s time for bed
let’s be compassionate and help heal those afflicted with belief in religion
no need to “round them up” as wayne oddly suggested
May 31st, 2009 at 10:32 pmI’ve got WAY BETTER THINGS TO DO than wail on somebody’s take on religion tonight.
Let’s just say, in my PERSONAL experience, the ratio of good people who are religious to the ratio of good people who aren’t, isn’t even comparable.
The “supreme-being-sub-servients” win HAND’S DOWN.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:33 pmCase in point: Michelle (Crazy Shelly) Bachmann (InsaneR, Mn.).
Ms. Bachmann, despite wild, radical, and dangerous views and rhetoric, has been elected twice because she’s had the widespread support of good Christians. They aren’t bad people. They are just too unsophisticated to explore matters once their Preacher pronounces judgement.
Preacher says Crazy Shelly is a “good Christian lady”? And they never bother to explore her erratic, contentious, and even bizarre behavior. They don’t need to examine her initiatives or voting record because she has “God’s stamp of approval”.
If I sound insensitive? Excuse the Hell out of me. There’s no way I’m going to let a quasi-religious political movement that put’s people like Crazy Shelly, or Chimpy for that matter, in the halls of power go unchallenged.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:33 pmHey WAYNEBRO, what if we were to save the bible thumping for a day when an innocent man wasn’t shot IN CHURCH by somebody who undoubtedly believes he’s a good Christian.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:33 pmAnd there will always be bigots like you Tommy, who see yourself as superior over those who do not share your beliefs.
And it didn’t take “religion” to rise up Nazi Germany.
While some prominent Nazi’s were religious, the majority of the early leaders were not. That they used religion and the beliefs of the masses to motivate is not in question.
But the early leaders were actually made up of atheists, intellectuals, political dissidents and especially homosexuals.
That’s right, it was a large group of homosexuals who made the greatest strides in moving the National Socialist Party along, primarily the Sturmabteilung, or “SA”. These men had little to do with religion in the beginning, and reveled in hedonistic pleasures and lusts. In fact it was in the middle of a homosexual orgy, actually the morning after when the SS assassinated the leaders of the SA, including Ernst Rohm.
Bigoted statements like yours about religion are how it begins.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:34 pmSo it’s not o.k. to be bigoted about racists? How about sexists? What if, upon discovering that a person I associate with is both deeply racist and misogynist? Am I getting ready to shove them into an oven when I tell them politely that I think there is something wrong with the way they think and tell them to lose my number? Will the poor wittle racist/misogynist be oppressed when I exercise my free speech to defend my beliefs? These are beliefs—the inferiority of races and women, etc., are beliefs.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say that anyone who had religious or spiritual beliefs is insane, but I won’t get defensive or feel persecuted by it, even though I embrace spiritual perspectives that are based on feelings.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:38 pmWell since I’m not “bible thumping” but instead condemning the evil, ugliness that is bigotry, then I can think of no better day than today.
It wasn’t religion that killed that doctor today, but BIGOTRY and intolerance.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:39 pmWell wiley, if you were as wiley as your handle, then you’d not need to ask that question, since I said about an hour ago that if you’re going to be intolerant about something, how about being intolerant about intolerance.
In fact, I said it to you. Guess that bigotry’s blinding you worse than I thought.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:41 pm
Nor should you, and I haven’t implied that you should.
I was and always have been condemning one thing and one thing only on this topic, i.e. religious intolerance by those calling themselves “progressive”.
You want to call her out on her religious hypocrisy? Then take a number and get in line because I’ll be there in front.
You want to decry the mingling of religion with government? Then take a number and get in line, because I’ll be there in front.
But if you want to mock people of faith in general, like so many in here do and are doing this evening, just for their faith, then that’s where I “draw the line” so to speak. That’s a line you won’t find me in, nor anyone who is actually “progressive”.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:49 pmFor thousands of years believers have burned other-believers and non-believers at the stake over differences in beliefs. You want to hold religious beliefs sacred, go to it. You want to call anyone who criticizes religious beliefs a bigot, then knock yourself out.
Believers are the status quo—not a persecuted minority. For years there has been a tacit assumption in our culture that people without religious beliefs are amoral and corrupt, and that believers are somehow above it all. That assumption of righteousness, in spite of all evidence, combined with numbers and the dynamics of the mob is the germ of persecution. Criticism is in itself not persecution. Even bigotry alone is not persecution.
Boy it’s funny where your defense of free speech ends, Waynebro. You’ll go fifty rounds to defend brothabildo puking on the threads, but have no tolerance for people who honestly think religion problematic.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:02 pmTiller’s name first appeared on “The Factor” on Feb. 25, 2005. Since then, O’Reilly and his guest hosts have brought up the doctor on 28 more episodes, including as recently as April 27 of this year. Almost invariably, Tiller is described as “Tiller the Baby Killer.”…
While he never advocated anything violent or illegal, the Fox bully repeatedly portrayed the doctor as a murderer on the loose, allowed to do whatever he wanted by corrupt and decadent authorities….
O’Reilly says, the sophisticates have shielded Tiller from the appropriate, legal consequences for his deeds. It’s left to “judgment day” to give him what’s coming… (Salon)/em>
When Billo and Slanthead, Lintball and Coultergeist, and Speck spew words of hate and violence against those whom they deem to be guilty of whatever, they must be made to feel the consequences.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:24 pmTomorrow these demagogues will feign regret that this happened today, but we all know they regret nothing, feel no responsibility and secretly are pleased, not only that Tiller is dead, but that they have such influence.
Why are there more than 400 comments on the lack of values within the GOP? Why can’t we get onto more vital matters like “Jon and Kate Plus Eight”?.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:29 pmSince a court has ruled that the “wanted posters” groups put out to target individual doctors is not protected speech, then perhaps the same argument could be made for the media. I don’t want too many things to get all too contentious at once, but broadcast media is a very serious problem.
Rwanda radio stations were taken to task for the hate-speech that fomented massacres. I just hope that things don’t get too awfully violent before somebody curbs it. It would be best if corporate put a damper on it’s cash cows voluntarily.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:29 pmIt wasn’t religion that burned those people at the stake, wiley.
It was intolerance and bigotry that burned those people at the stake.
Bigots never seem to realize that it has nothing to do with the positions or beliefs they hold or do not hold, and everything to do with bigotry itself.
Because the bigotry blinds you and makes you incapable of truly seeing. Otherwise you’d know that a significant number of those who were burned at the stake by the religious, were themselves religious. Joan of Ark was perhaps one of the most religious figures of her time, but it didn’t save her from the label “heretic” and it didn’t keep her from the pyre.
Intolerance has no boundaries or borders. It has no color or creed. No gender, no political ideology or philosophy.
Intolerance is a vehicle unto itself and it exists wherever it is permitted to take root.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:31 pmA reality show about a couple with sextuplets? The GOP is more weird than a woman having six babies at once. That’s how weird it is.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:36 pmKate is bigot for her intolerance of Jon’s belief that he needs to sleep around.
Do I have that about right?
May 31st, 2009 at 11:36 pmEven though, I personally don’t insult religion wholesale, I support the right of anyone to do so. I support the right of anyone to feel insulted by it, but expect them to be adults and not act as if they are actually being persecuted because of it.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:38 pmI never said they were. For now they’re in the majority.
But that could change over a period of time, and we see signs of that now. Movies like “religuous” that mock religious belief are catching on, and the concept of religion being akin to ignorance dominates the majority of liberal and progressive blogs and websites.
As I said several times now, Nazi Germany wasn’t created in a week, a month, or even a year. And it didn’t start by kicking in the doors of the Juden, or gassing them in the camps.
It’s started with a joke in a beerhall. A poster on a lampost, showing the Jew as ignorant and foolish. It started with a group of people who thought their ideology and beliefs, were superior to other groups of people.
No one set out to gas the Jews. No one sitting around a Berlin beer hall ever dreamed that they would one day be shipping millions off to the death camps.
They were after all, in the minority.
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When it started.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:40 pmThe thing is, Wayne, real Faith can shrug off a little mocking meant for others. And a misguided, harmful, Faith deserves it. Personally, I have tremendous faith in human intellect. That doesn’t slow me from ridiculing those who choose to waste it nor does it make me take offense at those who choose to focus on our stupidity. Of course, I’ve never underestimated my own stupidity. I’m no better at predicting the future than most and I’m a lot worse at it than many. But, I digress…
Like it or not, mocking, ridicule, and abuse is an old and effective tool of debate. Sometimes a person who will argue beyond all reason in the face of polite rhetoric will slink away in the face of cat calls. Once in a great while someone will see reason despite the prejudices they start with. And those who are inclined to bomb a rival church will find a reason either way.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:43 pmMarie Says:
Tomorrow these demagogues will feign regret that this happened today, but we all know they regret nothing, feel no responsibility and secretly are pleased, not only that Tiller is dead, but that they have such influence
This christian is certain that Jesus does not know the people who instigated this crime. May we all pray for this man’s family, whatever form your prayers, good will, whatever, may take.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:45 pmOops! I forgot my main point.
When gangs of atheists start shooting up or burning churches? We can talk about persecution. When Christians are effectively barred from public service? We can talk about oppression. And when prominent atheists start calling for the death, exile, or incarceration of Believers? We can talk about intolerance.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:50 pmWaynebro – good point.
What it boils down to – people need to respect others religious beliefs. Believe in what God or religion you choose but don’t force youR views on anyone. This is what the problem is – people need to stop forcing their viewpoints or ideology and idolatry on others. JUST DO YOU – I’d like to shout that to the religious people in the world. Stop trying to convert everyone and JUST DO YOU!
May 31st, 2009 at 11:51 pmThis is an incredible argument. A Christian fanatic killed a doctor because of a difference in belief stemming from his Christianity, that religious fanaticism is called out as exactly what it is, and the people pointing it out are called “intolerant”.
Well, I feel that we should burn the churches and shoot the survivors. If you disagree with me, you’re just intolerant?
Fck off WAYNEBRO. Jesus killed the good doctor. There are good things done in the name of religion and there are some evil things done. Don’t get so carried away with defending your religion that you defend the indefensible.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:54 pmpete Says:
The thing is, Wayne, real Faith can shrug off a little mocking meant for others.
True, but we do cringe a little at the whole “religion is a mental illness” thing.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:54 pmThe persecution of Jews during the Third Reich was not merely a group of people exercising their bigotry. The German people did not get up one morning and decide to have Jews for breakfast. The persecution took place in the context of a World War in which half the human race lost it’s mind.
I would never condone persecution. When we covered the death camps in high school, my whole body blushed with shame. I was ashamed to be human. I do not condone violence for anything other than self-defense.
Political persecution is a much more complex animal than people having attitudes. The people who threaten others with real political persecution, at this time, are evangelical Christians.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:56 pmWAYNEBRO Says:
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MCMetal Says:
Umm , how about they start delving/believing in facts/proof , as opposed to “FAITH” , which is nothing more than delusional hope ?
I don’t care if anyone wants to be religious ; just don’t go quoting scripture or trying to use anything written in the Bible , because it’s nothing more than glorified fairy tales …..
And it’s just this sort of arrogant intolerance, to which I despise and speak out against.
It’s this same sort of pompous, smug bigotry that has fueled so many wars, as well as the Holocaust.
It starts with a beerhall joke, a mock of the “stupid little Jew” and his “Gott”, and ends up in the ovens.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:11 pm
My insistence that someone use facts/proof , as opposed to spouting off a claim that they simply “know” something because of what’s written in so-called “religious books” , is “arrogant intolerance” ?
Are you kidding me ?
Is there anything more arrogant than claiming to know what the all-powerful being in all of existence is thinking or wants at any given moment ?
Your statement is ridiculously laughable……
May 31st, 2009 at 11:57 pmYou know that do you? You know the minds of others? You know who comes and goes from this blog, and what they think about the things being said about their beliefs?
You say “meant for others” but what is it when we mock the concept of a God as a fairy tale for children and mock their beliefs as nonsense and those who believe them as fools?
How could anyone who held those beliefs ever feel comfortable among such people?
The Jews also “shrugged off a little mocking” in the beginning. After all it was just jokes. Caricatures of the Jew looking ugly and stupid. Mocking their intelligence and calling them stupid. Jokes mocking their faith, their books and doctrines, their lifestyles. And yet the Jews “shrugged it off”.
And yet, look what happened.
That some people may not take offense is a sorry excuse for defending religious intolerance and bigotry.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:58 pmThat’s the problem, hormiga brava chavez. The vast majority of religions are xenophobic at a fundamental level. There are tolerant and inclusive sects but they aren’t usually loud. “Live and let live” doesn’t put butts in the seats or shekels in the coffers.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:58 pmYour pompous, arrogant statements calling their faith “delusional hope” and “glorified fairy tales” is.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:01 amThe Jews probably mocked German Christians, too, but they didn’t persecute them, did they? The assumption that any persecuted group is also completely devoid of bigotry is bulls*it.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:03 amReligious people don’t realize that what they say can be dangerous if it is received by someone who is mentally ill. Dr. Tiller’s murder – at his church of all places – is a primary example of religion gone wrong!
June 1st, 2009 at 12:04 amShows how much the bigot knows about history.
First, I already said three times now that it didn’t happen overnight.
That was the entire crux of my point, so repeating it like you’re saying something is ridiculous.
Secondly, you clearly know nothing about the Holocaust and it’s beginnings. It had NOTHING to do with a “World War” when it began. There wasn’t even a war when it began.
Try to read what I’ve repeatedly written here tonight, instead of just spouting off at me. If you do, you’ll see the beginnings of the Holocaust happened long before there was any sort of “World War”. It started with the rise of the National Socialist party, which began as a small minority, mostly meeting in beerhalls, in houses and on the streets.
And the persecution of the Juden started with jokes. Caricatures in the form of posters pasted onto lampposts and city walls, showing the Jew as “ignorant” and “stupid”.
It started with INTOLERANCE and BIGOTRY for the Jewish religion, people and all that they stood for.
Intolerance killed the Jews.
Intolerance killed that doctor today.
Intolerance raped and tortured Muslims in Abu Ghraib.
But it didn’t start there.
It starts with a joke, a chortle from the mob, and a pat on the back from your friends, encouraging it on.
Intolerance never starts with murder.
But it often ends up with there.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:09 amTelling children that they are basically evil or that the whole world all throughout history has had an irrational desire to exterminate them for no reason ain’t exactly healthy.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:10 amNo, the assumption that I said any such thing is bulls*it.
Another of your straw arguments to defend bigotry.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:11 amThe same thing can be said about a Dirty Harry movie or a childrens book.
So?
June 1st, 2009 at 12:11 amhormiga brava chavez Says:
Religious people don’t realize that what they say can be dangerous if it is received by someone who is mentally ill. Dr. Tiller’s murder – at his church of all places – is a primary example of religion gone wrong!
I doubt anyone would disagree with this, but folks, you laugh at the cons who refer to muslims as islamofacists. Please don’t assume all christians fall into the chritianfacists (is that a word?) end of the spectrum. Any belief can be perverted by the insane, the insecure, or the power-hungry.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:13 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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MCMetal Says:
My insistence that someone use facts/proof , as opposed to spouting off a claim that they simply “know” something because of what’s written in so-called “religious books” , is “arrogant intolerance” ?
Your pompous, arrogant statements calling their faith “delusional hope” and “glorified fairy tales” is.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:01 am
1st off , I never called anyone’s “faith” a “glorified fairy tale” ; I called the Bible that.
And my statement is a helluva’ lot less delusional , arrogant and pompous than claiming the Bible is the “inerrant word of God” ; especially considering the original Bible was written in ancient/Old Hebrew (a dead language) , and has been translated numerous times , with no 2 translations being anywhere close to alike………
And for the record , FAITH is not anything that is fact-based ; especially religious faith.
It is merely based upon a hope and a dream…..
June 1st, 2009 at 12:14 amhormiga brava chavez Says:
…Dr. Tiller’s murder – at his church of all places – is a primary example of religion gone wrong!
You’ve got that right. And the scant available facts suggest that he was fed a steady diet of insanity by people who claim, at least in his twisted mind, the Holy Mantle of Divine Authority.
And, for the record. I never said that religion is a mental illness or that Belief is a mental defect. Even if I don’t always make it clear, I do distinguish between spiritual Beliefs and fanaticism.
Religious belief, good bad or indifferent, is a result of a particular type of education. However, I will stick to my honest opinion that belief in the supernatural is, by definition, delusional.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:17 amReally?
Well gee, lets take another look at what you said.
So you called their faith, “DELUSIONAL HOPE” and you mocked their bible (which is the basis of their faith) as “GLORIFIED FAIRY TALES”.
So once more we see the bigot, blinded by his own hatred to the point of not even knowing what he said 20 minutes ago.
Intolerance and bigotry is truly blind.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:21 amWhen non-believers are telling believers that they can’t shop in their stores, or go to their schools, or work in their factories, I’ll worry about political persecution. How’s that Waynebro?
June 1st, 2009 at 12:25 ampete Says:
And, for the record. I never said that religion is a mental illness or that Belief is a mental defect. Even if I don’t always make it clear, I do distinguish between spiritual Beliefs and fanaticism.
If this is in response to something I said, I did not mean to imply that you had done so. Others on here have, but your posts are always well-reasoned and thoughtful.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:25 amReally? I know some string theorist scientists who study in multi-dimensional theory, who would take umbrage at that blanket, bigoted statement.
As well as most religious people.
Paint as much lipstick on the pig that is bigotry as you’d like, but that’s as bigoted of a statement as any.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:25 amThat this is how Wayenbro chooses to respond to pete’s reasonable suggestion demonstrates that Waynebro has no interest in anyone else’s thoughts.
pete offered a clear-headed sensible comment, as pete generally does, about the nature of humanity and the nature of faith and Waynebro’s response is to ridicule it as presumed evidence that pete is claiming to “know the minds of others”. That’s just an absurd reaction.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:26 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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So you called their faith, “DELUSIONAL HOPE” and you mocked their bible (which is the basis of their faith) as “GLORIFIED FAIRY TALES”.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:21 am
How is it you can try to (stupidly) label me as “arrogant” , while you’re prattling on , speaking for billions of Christians/Catholics and the like , on what the BASIS of their faith is ?
Do you know every Christian/Catholic , etc ?
I’m betting you don’t , and I’m pretty confident that they don’t find you a credible or able source to speak for them …..So , I suggest you stop doing it , and start getting over yourself .
June 1st, 2009 at 12:26 amIf you call someone’s beliefs “delusional” what else do you need to say to insult them?
June 1st, 2009 at 12:26 amHe could call them all “bigots” one by one.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:28 amI have religious beliefs and I’m defending people’s right to say what they want about it. Yeah, normally Waynebro’s arguments are sound, but when he gets on his high horse, he doesn’t listen. He just keeps insisting that anyone who doesn’t agree with him is a monster who wants to exterminate the group being criticized or shut down the presses.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:29 amralph the wonder locust Says:
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June 1st, 2009 at 12:26 am
Especially considering , as I pointed out in my previous post , that Waynebro (laughably) views himself as able to speak for every Christian/Catholic , etc , on what the basis of their belief is ………
June 1st, 2009 at 12:30 amOh c’mon, Wayne. Self delusion is a defense mechanism to prevent having to process facts that contradict our preconceptions. You do it. I do it. Anyone who’s passed 30 and remained sane does it.
And, please, don’t resort to semantic games to avoid admitting error. You miss-attributed MCMetal’s quote.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:31 amPete – yes indeed!
Waynebro and Outstanding,
I said religious people in order to include ALL religions, not just Christianity. Even though Christians are the worst when it comes to forcing their religion on others. I know, because I was raised as a “holy-roller”. Pentecostals, Evangelicals and Jehovah’s Witnesses are the worst when it comes to Bible Cramming and Bible thumping.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:31 amMCMetal Says:
How is it you can try to (stupidly) label me as “arrogant” , while you’re prattling on , speaking for billions of Christians/Catholics and the like , on what the BASIS of their faith is ?
Do you know every Christian/Catholic , etc ?
Well gee slick, no I don’t know “every Christian/Catholic, but I do know most of their creeds and doctrines.
And if you knew anything about what you were busy mocking, you’d know that the bible is the cornerstone of all Christian faiths. Where do you think they heard of Christ? In the Wall Street Journal?
And as for Catholics? Ever hear of the Nicene Creed?
No, probably not.
Because if you did you’d never had said such a stupid thing as that.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:32 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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If you call someone’s beliefs “delusional” what else do you need to say to insult them?
June 1st, 2009 at 12:26 am
I could always try to speak for them on what the basis of their belief is , WAYNEBRO ………
June 1st, 2009 at 12:32 amNo problem, OutstandingInAPlagueOfLocusts. I squeezed two separate thoughts into a single post. I should have separated the two posts. Alas, I’m multitasking.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:34 amWell, if you’re just going to start lying then I guess the debates pretty much over.
I misrepresented nothing the Ironhead said.
He mocked their FAITH as “DELUSIONS” and their Bible (upon which ALL CHRISTIAN FAITH RESIDES) as “GLORIFIED FAIRY TALES”.
So you’re lying now.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:34 amSo says the man without a chin.
Mr. Turtle needs to go blow a goat.
Fcuk the Republic Fascist Party
June 1st, 2009 at 12:35 amSo do you have evidence that God exists, Waynebro? If one going to assert that something exists and that it makes rules that one thinks other people should follow, then isn’t the burden of proof on the one making such a claim? The bible doesn’t count. By that standard, hobbits exist.
Why is denying that something exists when there is no evidence of it a whole lot of contradictory stories a “lie”?
June 1st, 2009 at 12:38 amGood evening, ralph. Thanks for the kind words. But, if WAYNE/BART knows anything? It’s “the minds of others”. Once he decides what I think? Well, it isn’t usually pretty.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:38 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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MCMetal Says:
How is it you can try to (stupidly) label me as “arrogant” , while you’re prattling on , speaking for billions of Christians/Catholics and the like , on what the BASIS of their faith is ?
Do you know every Christian/Catholic , etc ?
Well gee slick, no I don’t know “every Christian/Catholic, but I do know most of their creeds and doctrines.
And if you knew anything about what you were busy mocking, you’d know that the bible is the cornerstone of all Christian faiths. Where do you think they heard of Christ? In the Wall Street Journal?
And as for Catholics? Ever hear of the Nicene Creed?
No, probably not.
Because if you did you’d never had said such a stupid thing as that.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:32 am
Knowing “creeds and doctrines” gives you some sort of all-powerful insight into everyone’s heart or mind ?
Nice to know you speak for billions , Professor Charles Xavier ……..
June 1st, 2009 at 12:39 amWrong Wiley, I’m denouncing the seeds of such things, which is INTOLERANCE and BIGOTRY, which is all that’s being expressed when you mock people faith as “FAIRY TALES”, DELUSIONS”, etc.
The problem is the bigots never see it, never admit and never understand what it leads to.
Let me say that again.
They never understand what it LEADS to.
As I’ve painstakingly tried to spell out tonight, Nazi Germany did not start in the gas chambers.
It started in places like this. Meeting halls, beer halls, group gatherings of likeminded people, who MOCKED and RIDICULED a religious people for their faith, beliefs, lifestyles, etc.
I’m not saying nor did I say anyone here wanted to “exterminate” anyone. In fact I pointed out that the Nazi’s didn’t plan on exterminating anyone either.
That came later.
Much later.
It’s how it started that we need to be on guard for.
Not how it ended.
Because then it’s too late.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:40 amNo lunkhead, but it does give me insight into their BELIEF systems, as it does ANYONE.
And any idiot who doesn’t know the BIBLE is the core of Christian faith, is too big of a fool to debate with.
Hint genius, where do you think Christians learned about Christ? Huh?
Where’d they get the name.
With the bible, there is no Christian faith, because there would have been no knowledge of the man called Christ.
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Duh.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:42 amOh, now it’s the “seed” of bigotry that’s behind criticizing religion as if that were substantially different from criticizing any other doctrine (appeal to tradition? appeal to numbers? appeals to the hair up yer butt?)
June 1st, 2009 at 12:44 amMan, I’m trying to figure out if you’re dense or just illiterate.
Or both.
Here “wiley”, try reading what I wrote before making a fool out of yourself.
Here’s what I said.
Got it now?
Never said “the seeds of bigotry”.
I said the seeds of “such things”, i.e the holocaust.
I said INTOLERANCE and BIGOTRY were the seeds of such things.
Try Hooked on Phonics or something next time, prior to debating in defense of your bigotry.
Then you won’t look so foolish.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:49 amThe Bible is an ancient collection of fables and morality plays (many adopted in whole or part from earlier more fragmented works)that is of dubious historical accuracy outside of some very general settings. It’s been proven wrong on many key details.
The evidence for an entity known as Jesus of Nazareth, who matches the traditional descriptions, is sketchy.
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June 1st, 2009 at 12:42 am
Ironhead ? Lunkhead ?
How old are you , 8 ?
And if the Bible were the core of the CHRISTIAN faith , instead of Jesus , wouldn’t the religion be called BIBLICAN ?
Just admit you don’t speak for anyone except your own misguided and arrogant self……..
June 1st, 2009 at 12:53 amIt’s always seemed to me rather miraculous that the sublime beauty of the beatitudes survived the Romans. As far as I’m concerned Christianity as it exists in established religion is the product of a government and it’s purpose is to extend government rule into private life by stealth.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:54 amBTW. I didn’t lie about the little semantic trick you played with MCM’s post so you could claim some point that only you were contesting. You just pulled a quote mine. I know it. MCM knows it. And you know it, unless you’re being delusional.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:57 amWiley, you’re on the right track, it’s a miracle Christianity survived the Middle Ages, when the church definitely became a political power. I often wonder how much of my religion was lost by having a power hungry elite determine what is canonical and what is not. The way things are today, I’m just embarassed by many of my gentle savior’s followers.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:03 amIf you believe that then fine. No one challenged such statements Pete. You’re entitled to that belief. Plenty of scholars out there, both religious and otherwise who’d disagree with that blanket statement but nonetheless there’s nothing wrong with stating such an opinion.
So please don’t act like I did.
I denounced “MOCKERY” of their beliefs as “FAIRY TALES”, “DELUSIONS” etc.
There’s a difference in saying you don’t believe in the bible, and calling a perfectly intelligent person, which many Christians are, “delusional”, or calling their faith and beliefs “FAIRY TALES”.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:07 amSo, outstanding have you read other texts? Like the Gnostic Gospels? The Essenes? Anything by Elaine Pagels? I’ve been curious about whether the Gospels of Mary have been completely translated. Maybe I’ll look it up sometime soon.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:10 amSure you did and you’re lying through your teeth now.
That’s why instead of actually identifying and outlining the “little semantic trick” you claim I played, you just keep alluding to it.
Because you can’t produce it.
He tried to play a semantic trick and claim I mistook his words. He ignored what he said about Faith, and then went on to act like the Bible had nothing to do with Christian faith.
Which is laughable.
But feel free to outline or identify where you think I misquoted him, if you can.
You can’t, because he said both those things, calling their FAITH “DELUSIONAL” and the BIBLE, upon which all Christian faith relies, “FAIRY TALES”.
THATS what he said. And I reposted it to prove it.
You however are lying, making a blanket accusation that you can neither defend, nor produce any evidence whatsoever on.
Which is why you don’t produce it, and instead just continue falsely accusing me.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:10 amUhh, no genius.
It wouldn’t. Since they follow “Jesus Christ”, they’re called Christians.
And since the stories of Jesus came from the Bible, i.e the Synoptic Gospels and the Gospel of John, (and several works that did not make the cut at the council of Nicaea) therefore their faith relies on the bible.
I can’t believe I have to explain that.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:14 amTo an atheist (or “rationalist” to quote Bill Maher), calling the Bible a fairy tale, or belief in supernatural entities “delusional”, isn’t mockery. It’s a well established theory that goes back to the earliest writings.
Ancient writings that endorse gods were well preserved, by Priests. Those that, futilely, demanded proofs of gods were systematically destroyed by the same Priests. And, indeed, Priests of all sects continue to destroy secular knowledge to this day.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:19 amNo wiley, I can’t say that I’ve read beyond the Apochcrypha (i may have spelled that wrong, it’s bed time for everyone who spent the day cutting hay), but once Paul started writing his equivalent of modern fussy letters to the vestry, I feel the story was perverted. The man was eloquent, and did a masterful job of describing salvation, but definitely put his own prejudices into his writing. I doubt Jesus ever discouraged any woman from speaking during worship, but Paul managed to codify the mores of his day into a nearly 2000 year ban on women serving as christian priests.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:21 amMcConnell is speaking his truth. And his and his party’s unwillingness to say anything relatively cogent is the reason his party is so bad. They spout divisiveness, hate and nonsense on a nonstop basis. And they cannot figure out what is wrong and why they are wrong.
This is who they are. If there is a moderate in their own party they are told to shut up. Anyone that remains in the GOP must certainly have a political death wish. What a very nearly totally bunch of crackpots. I hope they keep it up. They are doing a good job of burying their own. Keep digging guys.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:22 amWANYEBRO, you keep using the slippery slope argument. Atheists have not fallen down that slope while religion has proven itself to be dangerous on a daily basis.
Just look how religion has played out in the news recently in the USA. A woman let her son die of diabetes rather than use the evil, secular medicine. Another ran off with her son with treatable cancer (luckily she wised up and returned him for treatment). And now today we had a abortion doctor shot, literally, for God’s sake.
I have to tiptoe around their god while they can chastise the non-believers with “ooh, you’re gonna burn in Hell!” but we’re the repressive bigots if we say there’s no proof of their imaginary friend?
Religion can and has done good things and helped people but
I just want people to keep it in their homes and churches (oh, yes, we do let them have a couple of those just to placate them /snark), out of our schools and government, and to make decisions based on reality.
Just think, if all the energy wasted on religion (or even just prayer alone!) could instead be put forth to feed and clothe the poor, heal the sick, and shelter the children — like their Jesus fellow really wanted.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:26 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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And if the Bible were the core of the CHRISTIAN faith , instead of Jesus , wouldn’t the religion be called BIBLICAN ?
Just admit you don’t speak for anyone except your own misguided and arrogant self……..
Uhh, no genius.
It wouldn’t. Since they follow “Jesus Christ”, they’re called Christians.
And since the stories of Jesus came from the Bible, i.e the Synoptic Gospels and the Gospel of John, (and several works that did not make the cut at the council of Nicaea) therefore their faith relies on the bible.
I can’t believe I have to explain that.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:14 am
Their “faith” isn’t in “God” and his existence , but a book ?
I can’t believe you don’t know that ………..Wait , then again , after viewing your foolishness , I guess I can…..
You may continue with your idiotic behavior , Corky….
June 1st, 2009 at 1:27 amWell, if one wants to get technical, a common interpretation of the Gospels is that one who wishes to be Christ-like should challenge corrupt authority and have the courage to seek new wisdom when the old is proven lacking. And His example was to teach others Truths they did not know.
I think it’s fair to say that a strict adherence to dogma, in spite of real-world real-time events would tick-off Jesus (assuming He existed) as much as it ticks me off.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:30 amgee pete…for a non-believer you get it pretty well, just add the love of others and you’ve got it cold. G’night all.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:35 amI’ll take that as a compliment, OutstandingInAPlagueOfLocusts. Some famous guy, though I don’t recall who, said: “No one ever rejected a religion out of ignorance“.
I haven’t examined anywhere near all of them but I’ve sampled enough to know what I’m rejecting.
G’night.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:43 amAnd to an SS Einsatzgruppen, or an SA Brownshirt, calling a Juden a lesser species wasn’t mockery either. It was a well established theory.
Of course, reasonable people understand that the insult is never determined within the mind of the insulter, but the insulted.
And anyone defending calling someone “delusional” or their beliefs “fairy tales” and declaring it neither mockery or insulting is well beyond the point of reason.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:46 amMore lies. I never said their faith was “in a book” slick.
I said the core of their faith was the Bible.
And Christians believe in “Christ”.
And their knowledge of Christ comes from the Bible, and is called “canon”, which means the work is “authoritative” for their belief system.
Once more, how do you argue with someone who is so beyond reason, that he thinks the Bible is not the cornerstone of the Christian faith?
Might as well argue Red Shift with a Chimpanzee.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:51 amTwist it how you will. Imply whatever you wish.
Calling fables “fables” isn’t mockery. It’s “tuff-love”.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:54 amActually, the Republican comments about Sotomayor are just par for the Racist Republicans these days. For years, Hispanics were welcome in our party. With Republican handling of this nominee, I expect them to continue to lose Hispanic votes by the droves. These days, Republicans have no concept of the big tent ideal. They have turned into a bunch of racists who actually find themselves becoming more and more of a minority. Along with many others, I cannot stay in the party since it has become so racist. By attacking this nominee whose comments are very little different from some of the Supreme Court Republicans, Republicans so graphically demonstrate their total lack of understanding of equality for Hispanics and in addition, they show their disdain for Hispanics.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:54 amThe only “slippery slope” here pal, besides the one on some of the foreheads of those I am debating with, is the slippery slope of intolerance and bigotry.
In fact, that’s been the crux of my statements on this night and every other night we’ve had this discussion.
The “slippery slope” of racial, sexual and religious intolerance is a time proven descent into madness, and ultimately consumes all it touches.
Making it the slipperiest slope of all.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:57 amOops!
… Calling fairy tales “fairy tales” isn’t mockery, it’s classification. Calling delusions “delusional” isn’t mockery, it’s a diagnoses.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:57 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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To an atheist (or “rationalist” to quote Bill Maher), calling the Bible a fairy tale, or belief in supernatural entities “delusional”, isn’t mockery.
And to an SS Einsatzgruppen, or an SA Brownshirt, calling a Juden a lesser species wasn’t mockery either. It was a well established theory.
Of course, reasonable people understand that the insult is never determined within the mind of the insulter, but the insulted.
And anyone defending calling someone “delusional” or their beliefs “fairy tales” and declaring it neither mockery or insulting is well beyond the point of reason.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:46 am
And to anyone with more than 2 working brain cells in their head , equating an athetists views on the silliness and gullibility of those who believe in “God” and religion to those of an SS Einsatzgruppen, or an SA Brownshirt on their views of Jews , is the height of insanity ……..
BTW
Most people convince themselves in believing there is a “God” out of comfort ; they simply fear the unknown that is death , and God/religion gives them a simple (and untrue) account of what occurs upon one’s demise……….
June 1st, 2009 at 1:58 amThere’s nothing “tuff” about the ignorance that is bigotry.
It’s seeds are founded in fear, cowardice and apathy.
And twisting the words of those you are defending into “fables” when in fact the words used were “DELUSIONAL” and “FAIRY TALES” is just more hubris from a clown who accused me of twisting someones words and has yet to produce those words.
You lied Pete. And now you’re lying to cover up your lies.
Like most bigots, you accuse, but when challenged, you just go onto the next lie.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:58 amNo, the height of insanity is in not seeing the clear comparisons between the pompous German’s who started by mocking the Jews and their “silly religion” and the pompous “progressives” who do the same thing to Christians.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:01 amYou can paint as much lipstick on that pig as you like, but calling someones beliefs in ANY book, “fairy tales” and “DELUSIONS” is mockery to any reasonable person.
Of course, like the early Nazi’s, your insults to YOU, are not insulting.
Because like them, you KNOW you are right.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:03 amLook out, TeleMan! You can’t tell what he’ll say you said!
And, if I may, I think that he’s making a reference to the slippery slope we’ve been traversing since Reagan used the “Moral Majority” to get elected.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:03 amThe Nazi’s believed calling a Jew “inferior” was based in scientific fact.
They had tons of data to prove it too, including height, strength, shape of the skull (meaning to them, larger brains), etc.
But it didn’t make their bigotry, any less foul.
But like I said, the bigot, never sees his own bigotry.
He only defends it.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:04 amNo, more like the slippery slope of a low brow dull wit like you, who lies about me twisting Metals words, then when called on the, runs from producing any evidence to support it and just prances onto the next self aggrandizing juvenile comment.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:06 amLike I said bigot.
Put up your evidence of my twisting his words.
Go on, quote him, then quote me.
I did.
And those words will show, like I said, that he mocked their faith as DELUSIONAL and the Bible, upon which the Christian faith rests, as “GLORIFIED FAIRY TALES”.
Thats what he said. That’s what I said.
And your false accusations are just more desperation from a bigot, trying to convince himself and others that his bigotry is somehow an virtue.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:10 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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June 1st, 2009 at 1:51 am
The cornerstone of EVERY monotheistic belief is 1 , all-powerful deity , Johnny Ignoramus ; hence the word MONOTHEISTIC (look it up).
And no , you’re a moronic liar , turd ; you claimed , and I quote : “And since the stories of Jesus came from the Bible, i.e the Synoptic Gospels and the Gospel of John, (and several works that did not make the cut at the council of Nicaea) therefore their faith relies on the bible.”
“Relying” on something , means you don’t need it ?
You are an uncomprehending and dishonest moron……
June 1st, 2009 at 2:12 amAs you said, WAYNE. The posts are there to see and you even reposted the relevant parts. Then you equated two moderately disparate points to make a literal fallacy. And, apparently, you deluded yourself into thinking your literal fallacy made some point.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:12 amLike I said, how do you argue with an idiot, who isn’t aware that the CORNERSTONE of the Christian faith, is the bible?
No bible.
No Christian faith.
Period.
Of course, feel free to try to explain how Christianity could exist, without the Bible.
I’ll be all ears on that one.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:13 amSo post them.
Don’t run your mouth.
Post them.
Post what I wrote, then post where I “twisted his words”.
I’ll be waiting right here slick.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:15 amYou quote mined, WAYNE. You took disparate parts of a post and mixed the order to enforce a claim of malicious intent. That’s a dirty trick, WAYNE.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:15 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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And to anyone with more than 2 working brain cells in their head , equating an athetists views on the silliness and gullibility of those who believe in “God” and religion to those of an SS Einsatzgruppen, or an SA Brownshirt on their views of Jews , is the height of insanity ……..
No, the height of insanity is in not seeing the clear comparisons between the pompous German’s who started by mocking the Jews and their “silly religion” and the pompous “progressives” who do the same thing to Christians.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:01 am
Let me clear something up for you , Corky ; Judaism is just as silly and inaccurate as Christianity………As is Islam .
And yeah , I’ve always advocated slaughtering every religious individual on the planet , nitwit ; so your comparison makes a whole helluva’ lot of sense………
June 1st, 2009 at 2:15 am#
No the only dirty trick here is you passing yourself off as a progressive or an intellectual.
You’re a liar, and I never twisted his words.
And for hours now, you’ve been CLAIMING I did, when any reasonable person telling the truth, would have just SHOWN us where I did.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:17 amThe cornerstone of Christianity is God/Christ , WAYNELOWBROW ; without either of those , you have absolutely nothing , dimwit.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:19 amPete, again, see that the religious have already slipped down the slope and are actively causing damage and repressing people like Teh Gays and ““No, I don’t know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots.” (GW Bush).
I’d like to put a Darwin evolution “fish” on my car but I know that is asking to get it keyed by those loving, tolerant Christians.
Let me know when some “Evilutionist” torches a church in the name of “Darwinism” and well talk bigotry.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:19 amWAYNE knows what we mean better than we do, MCMetal.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:20 amLike I said, the Nazi pigs sitting around a berchtesgaden beer hall never thought their words would lead to the slaughter of millions of Jews, Christians, even Atheists.
But it did.
A holocaust doesn’t start with a Jackboot and a baton.
It starts with bigots, and works its way up from there.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:21 ampete Says:
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WAYNE knows what we mean better than we do, MCMetal.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:20 am
He doesn’t know shit …………
June 1st, 2009 at 2:22 amuhhh gee, lemme think…, your psychiatrists?
June 1st, 2009 at 2:23 amGot you figured.
Thats at least one shit that I know.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:24 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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Like I said, the Nazi pigs sitting around a berchtesgaden beer hall never thought their words would lead to the slaughter of millions of Jews, Christians, even Atheists.
But it did.
A holocaust doesn’t start with a Jackboot and a baton.
It starts with bigots, and works its way up from there.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:21 am
And religious crusades start with those wanting to force their unproven and untrue beliefs on those who refuse to be gullible sheep ; nice to see you have no problem with that , skid mark ………
June 1st, 2009 at 2:24 amTeleman. They really don’t like to hear things like, “kids who’s heads aren’t filled with BS, religious or otherwise, don’t typically become mass-murderers”.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:25 amSure sockpuppet.
Try googling “Greenpeace”.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:25 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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He doesn’t know shit …………
Got you figured.
Thats at least one shit that I know.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:24 am
As if dog dreck like yourself has any credibility or been given any authority to become an arbiter to decide matters ?
Not a chance…….
June 1st, 2009 at 2:26 amYou’re too stupid to see.
Otherwise you’d have “seen” the 4 dozen comments or so I’ve made tonight where I CLEARLY stated that bigotry comes from ALL sides, and that I have a “problem” with it ALL.
But alas, you’re too stupid to see…
June 1st, 2009 at 2:27 amI know shit when I smell, and your bigoted shit stinks from here to Nuremberg.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:28 amIf I remember right, it wasn’t very grassroots — the Germans happened to have the head bigot in charge to “get things done.”
Getting atheists to even join a club is like herding cats.
Those darn oppressed Christians.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:30 amAnother danger is a belief, in individuals or populations, that they are “Chosen” by the deity of their choice. Those are the ones, individually and as populations, that end up feasting on children.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:30 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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And religious crusades start with those wanting to force their unproven and untrue beliefs on those who refuse to be gullible sheep ; nice to see you have no problem with that , skid mark ………
You’re too stupid to see.
Otherwise you’d have “seen” the 4 dozen comments or so I’ve made tonight where I CLEARLY stated that bigotry comes from ALL sides, and that I have a “problem” with it ALL.
But alas, you’re too stupid to see…
June 1st, 2009 at 2:27 am
As if not wanting to read over 400 posts , especially your insipid and pointless ones , is so indicative and such a true barometer of INTELLIGENCE ?
Wow ………….You truly are an imbecile.
And that’s your good point.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:31 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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As if dog dreck like yourself has any credibility or been given any authority to become an arbiter to decide matters ?
Not a chance…….
I know shit when I smell, and your bigoted shit stinks from here to Nuremberg.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:28 am
That’s actually the stench from your upper lip , you delusional and arrogant twit…….
June 1st, 2009 at 2:32 amAnother freaking genius.
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No moron, they didn’t have the “Head bigot” and they were as “grass roots” as it comes.
Hitler was living in a low rent flop house and was an unknown corporal and failed artist when he met Rohm and he was in Landsberg PRISON when he wrote Mein Kampf.
It took him over a DECADE to rise to any sort of power moron.
Try learning something about history prior to “remembering it”.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:33 amGood comeback bigot.
Anything else to support your bigotry or are we down to playground insults now?
June 1st, 2009 at 2:35 amWell, I guess I can’t expect a bigoted moron like yourself to actually know what he’s talking about prior to opening his mouth, now can I?
So goes the mindless mindset of the bigot.
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Do you understand how terrifically stupid you truly are ?
You admitted Mein Kampf was written well before Hitler came into power ; in that book , the narrative describes the process by which he became increasingly anti-Semitic and militaristic.
So it was well-known he was already an anti-Semite , you clown…..I believe that was TeleMan’s point , you uncomprehending fool……….
June 1st, 2009 at 2:41 amLor’ bless me! This shouldn’t be so much fun.
Wayne just can’t let go of his belief in a dark conspiracy that will result in genocide. And, while I’ve never claimed to be a progressive or liberal or a spokesman for anybody, I think I can say there’s not a sane atheist who wants to physically harm anyone for their beliefs.
I suppose there might be some nationalists who somehow maintain an atheistic outlook but, they are pretty far and few between and I’m not sure one could call a nationalist, or socialist, communist, or Nazi a “atheist” in the truest sense of the word.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:41 amWell, gee I dunno. I understand how stupid you are…but I wouldn’t call it “terrific”.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:41 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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That’s actually the stench from your upper lip , you delusional and arrogant twit…….
Good comeback bigot.
Anything else to support your bigotry or are we down to playground insults now?
June 1st, 2009 at 2:35 am
Claims the pathetic wonder who used grade school insults like Ironhead and Lunkhead to start it all off….
Your ignorance and stupidity is only exceeded by your arrogance and amazing hypocrisy………
June 1st, 2009 at 2:43 amWell, if you either took the time to read what I’ve written tonight, or if you knew something about history, you’d know that no ones every mentioned a “dark conspiracy” and Nazi Germany didn’t rise from the ashes of WWI from a “dark conspiracy”.
As I’ve repeatedly pointed out, it started from intolerance and bigotry, and grew from there.
The bigot of course will never see that.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:45 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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Do you understand how terrifically stupid you truly are ?
Well, gee I dunno. I understand how stupid you are…but I wouldn’t call it “terrific”.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:41 am
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You get caught writing (typically) erroneous and ludicrous piss , so you ignore that and go off on some silly grade-school assault ; still doesn’t change the fact you look ridiculously stupid for trying to correct someone , when you’re flat-out wrong , goon………..
June 1st, 2009 at 2:46 amNo, I was called names first. That you “piled on the shitpile” is your problem.
As as for my “arrogance and hypocrisy” I’m not the one mocking people for their faith.
That would be you, bigot.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:47 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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Well, I guess I can’t expect a bigoted moron like yourself to actually know what he’s talking about prior to opening his mouth, now can I?
June 1st, 2009 at 2:38 am
As opposed to your “brilliance” in trying to refute someone’s correct statement about Hitler , Corky ?
June 1st, 2009 at 2:48 amI don’t see any Hemingway coming from your keyboard Heinrich.
All I see is mocking of people of faith, and anyone daring to speak up against those mocking people of faith.
Which would make you the very definition of a “goon”.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:49 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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Claims the pathetic wonder who used grade school insults like Ironhead and Lunkhead to start it all off….
Your ignorance and stupidity is only exceeded by your arrogance and amazing hypocrisy………
No, I was called names first. That you “piled on the shitpile” is your problem.
As as for my “arrogance and hypocrisy” I’m not the one mocking people for their faith.
That would be you, bigot.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:47 am
LIAR.
Your post at #492 , is the 1st that included name-calling ; seeing that , your claims that I’m a “bigot” are invalid.
Liars have no credibility nor are given power to judge others…….
June 1st, 2009 at 2:53 amWayne, I’m talking about the time frame when the holocaust took place. I understand Hitler’s rise.
Again, you are comparing the very tip top of the slippery slope versus the bottom. Many people have varying degrees of bigotry about many subjects. Most don’t have gumption to ever act on these feelings. Hiltler had the power and did — terribly.
Get back to me when we have a bigoted anti-religious atheist president and we’ll talk about the problem.
You should get some rest. You’re getting a persecution complex from this thread.
Nite.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:53 amUhh, another reading challenged idiot?
Here’s what he said moron.
And as I pointed out, it WAS VERY “GRASSROOTS”, and that there was no “HEAD BIGOT” who “GOT THINGS DONE”.
It was a small, grass roots movement that started with various members, players, etc, and it had little to no organization for many many years.
Idiot.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:55 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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You get caught writing (typically) erroneous and ludicrous piss , so you ignore that and go off on some silly grade-school assault ; still doesn’t change the fact you look ridiculously stupid for trying to correct someone , when you’re flat-out wrong , goon………..
I don’t see any Hemingway coming from your keyboard Heinrich.
All I see is mocking of people of faith, and anyone daring to speak up against those mocking people of faith.
Which would make you the very definition of a “goon”.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:49 am
I never claimed to be Hemingway ; and I can live with being a goon.
Can you live with being the moronic , incorrect one that you obviously are ?
Get used to it , goon……….
June 1st, 2009 at 2:56 amNo you weren’t. I was talking about the start of the movement, and ALWAYS have been talking about the START of the movement, and YOU claimed it wasn’t “GRASS ROOTS”.
Which it was.
Another liar too stupid to know what he’s talking about, then when caught changes his tune.
You said it WASN’T GRASS ROOTS, which is a term that only applies to the starting of a group or organization.
Hence now you are clearly lying.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:58 am
I’m not wrong. Being against religious, racial or social intolerance is NEVER wrong.
Just because some two bit punk on the internet is selling his bigotry and has enough bigoted friends to sell it with him doesn’t make me or the stand against intolerance ever wrong.
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June 1st, 2009 at 2:55 am
Oh really ?
The extermination of Jews wasn’t enacted by Hitler and his collaborators ?
What planet are you from and why have you come to mine , bizarro ET ?
Stupid ass………
June 1st, 2009 at 3:01 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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I never claimed to be Hemingway ; and I can live with being a goon.
Can you live with being the moronic , incorrect one that you obviously are ?
Get used to it , goon……….
I’m not wrong. Being against religious, racial or social intolerance is NEVER wrong.
Just because some two bit punk on the internet is selling his bigotry and has enough bigoted friends to sell it with him doesn’t make me or the stand against intolerance ever wrong.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:01 am
I’m against dopes (and their hypocritcal and ignorant , arrogant pansy apologists) , who try to fob off myths/stories/fables as tangible and usable facts.
And no amount of untrue accusations from a lying little weasel biatch is ever going to change that………
June 1st, 2009 at 3:05 amWayne, I’ll give you the grassroots point but that wasn’t my point. Hitler was the one ordering the executions.
That brings up an interesting question. Would the holocaust have happened without Hitler?
Thanks for the kind words, Wayne.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:06 amNow get some rest before you stroke out.
Funny, you claim what I said and like your bigoted friend pete, can’t produce the words.
Instead, you simply produce your interpretation of the words.
And the reason you do this is clear.
Because I never said, nor implied any such nonsense.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:06 amGee, thanks. After denying it vehemently, and repeatedly, with no place else to go but down, you “give me the point”?
How about you were wrong, talking out of your ass, got caught, and now have no place else to go but making personal remarks about me.
I have no problem handling morons and bigots, and when I need your help, I’ll let you know.
Oh and by the way Genius, it Hitler wasn’t the only one responsible for the executions. In fact, most were ordered by his underlings. He, like Rumsfeld, just gave the general “go ahead and take care of it”. Others took care of actually issuing the orders.
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June 1st, 2009 at 2:55 am
Oh really ?
The extermination of Jews wasn’t enacted by Hitler and his collaborators ?
Funny, you claim what I said and like your bigoted friend pete, can’t produce the words.
Instead, you simply produce your interpretation of the words.
And the reason you do this is clear.
Because I never said, nor implied any such nonsense.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:06 am
Who and what do you believe TeleMan was posting about then , Mr Hooked-On-Phonics drop-out ?
And you have the laughable nerve to accuse others of an inability to read and comprehend ?
Irony is lost on one such as dim-witted and useless as you …..
June 1st, 2009 at 3:11 amThat bigoted pieces of shit like you seldom change, has never been in doubt.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:13 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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I’m against dopes (and their hypocritcal and ignorant , arrogant pansy apologists) , who try to fob off myths/stories/fables as tangible and usable facts.
And no amount of untrue accusations from a lying little weasel biatch is ever going to change that………
That bigoted pieces of shit like you seldom change, has never been in doubt.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:13 am
That stupid , lying , pathetic pieces of shit like yourself believe your opinion means anything , is simply laughable ; much like your existence……..
June 1st, 2009 at 3:15 amI can’t say it any plainer than, you really should learn to distinguish between bigotry and criticism, WAYNE. And, while you’re at it, try to decide whether you are going to attack intent or semantics and give us a hint. Thanx.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:15 amuhh, gee nimrod, how about what he WROTE?
That’s what I “believe” he was talking about.
He claimed that the Nazi party wasn’t a grassroots movement, and that they had to have someone in power to “get things done”.
Which they WERE a grassroots movement, and they had NO ONE in power to get things done.
We both were talking about the beginnings of the party, and what’s really funny is you here trying to claim he meant something else, …when HE HIMSELF just got through admitting that he was wrong about the grassroots movement.
Which makes you a double moron.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:15 amCriticism isn’t mockery. Criticism isn’t demeaning and derogatory.
Bigotry, like mocking peoples faith as “FAIRY TALES” and “DELUSIONS”, is not criticism.
It’s just plain old bigotry.
And as for making up my mind, I’m just responding to two bigots who are also liars, who make accusations then run from providing evidence of those accusations because as one of them just stated, they’re “having fun”.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:17 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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Here’s TeleMan , responding to YOUR POST mentioning the Holocaust
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A holocaust doesn’t start with a Jackboot and a baton.
It starts with bigots, and works its way up from there.
If I remember right, it wasn’t very grassroots — the Germans happened to have the head bigot in charge to “get things done.”
June 1st, 2009 at 2:30 am
Hooked-On-Phonics worked for me ………But it didn’t do jack shit for my stupid-ass cousin WAYNELOWBRO ……Obviously
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And as for making up my mind, I’m just responding to two bigots who are also liars, who make accusations then run from providing evidence of those accusations because as one of them just stated, they’re “having fun”.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:17 am
Where exactly did I “Run to” , you lying little worm ?
I’ve been here the whole time , responding to your every pathetic post , you sorry pansy.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:22 amOkay, last post for me.
Waynebro is correct in the fact that, unchecked, bigotry can lead to “bad things.”
But to equate the holocaust to TPers mocking religion is a slippery slope argument at best and great a example of losing the argument via Godwin’s Law.
Nite All!
June 1st, 2009 at 3:24 amStating an informed opinion that one who believes in supernatural forces is delusional is neither demeaning nor derogatory. It’s no different then advising a friend against buying a Monet’ from some guy behind a bar.
And calling the Bible, or any other ancient tale of the supernatural, a fairy tale is as accurate as calling the Greek Myths “myths”. Not to mention the thousands of other myths which have been discarded with the passage of time.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:29 amI wouldn’t put the Hooked On Phonics course on the shelf just yet Wordsmith.
See the letters “S.T.A.R.T”?
I’ve highlighted them for you in case you have some sort of “S” based dyslexia.
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Those letter spell “START”.
And start means to “begin”.
So you see, the “subject” of my statement wasn’t the Holocaust, but the events that led up to it.
As has been the subject of all my comments surrounding it this evening.
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So there ya go. Maybe the Hooked on Phonics was too much to “S.T.A.R.T” on. Might want to try something like a “Speak-N-Spell.
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Stating an informed opinion that one who believes in supernatural forces is delusional is neither demeaning nor derogatory. It’s no different then advising a friend against buying a Monet’ from some guy behind a bar.
And calling the Bible, or any other ancient tale of the supernatural, a fairy tale is as accurate as calling the Greek Myths “myths”. Not to mention the thousands of other myths which have been discarded with the passage of time.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:29 am
And all the time that WAYNELOWBROW is prattling on about “bigotry” , while all monotheistic religions have sexism , bigotry , intolerance , racism , and class ratings strewn throughout them ………
Yeah , he’s real bright , isn’t he ?
June 1st, 2009 at 3:36 amAhh, so I see rather than owning up to being wrong about your previous comment, you just roll onto the next red herring in your arsenal.
Like any good bigot, or troll for that matter, would do.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:37 amBut we see I actually was referring to the events leading UP to the Holocaust, as even your friend “Teleman” even had to finally admit.
Yet you, like a good little bigot, just cruise onto the next strawdog in your quiver.
Because there’s no honor among bigots.
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The Holocaust is when the Jews began to be executed ; that started with Hitler , Corky.
That their rights were removed prior to that , and that you equate that is when it “started” , is meaningless ; Japanese Americans had their rights removed during World War II , and were put into camps , too.
Were they slaughtered en masse , too, nitwit ?
Your delusional self-view and self-worth are laughably incredible ; you view yourself as some mighty intellectual , when you possess all the depth of a drop of bug urine ………
June 1st, 2009 at 3:41 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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Here’s TeleMan , responding to YOUR POST mentioning the Holocaust
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A holocaust doesn’t start with a Jackboot and a baton.
But we see I actually was referring to the events leading UP to the Holocaust, as even your friend “Teleman” even had to finally admit.
Yet you, like a good little bigot, just cruise onto the next strawdog in your quiver.
Because there’s no honor among bigots.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:41 am
There’s even less honor amongst liars such as yourself.
Japanese Americans were put into camps , too , as I stated above ; were they systematically annihilated , dishonest goon?
June 1st, 2009 at 3:45 amMCMetal Says:
You moron.
I mean really, you frakkin moron.
My point has been consistent all night long and it DOES have meaning.
I have all night been talking about what LED UP to events like the Holocaust. The bigotry, and intolerance, of the Jewish people and their belief system.
The things that LED UP to the Holocaust.
Your friend Teleman tried to imply that the Nazi movement wasn’t grass roots.
I laughingly proved that it was, and he recanted that point.
Yet you continued to try to pretend he wasn’t saying that, and that we both were talking about the Holocaust.
And now you come up with some mindless trip down another red herring road, trying to change that.
Well, it won’t work.
My position is and always was the same.
Bigotry, intolerance whether social, racial or religious, are the seeds of events like the Holocaust as I’ve said repeatedly now.
Every student of history knows this. It’s not “my truth”. It’s truth. Fact. History.
And nothing in your bigoted rants is going to change that.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:50 amSigh… I’ve been making the same point from the start of my involvement: Words like “delusion” and “fairy tale” are necessary in a secular discussion of religion, past or present. Speaking only for myself, they are descriptive terms like one would use to describe a primitive sacrificial religion.
Which leads to my sub point: You use the tactic of assigning your own meanings to flubs or words with debatable context and sticking to your own interpretation despite reasoned attempts to dissuade you. Frankly, you do it so often that it’s impossible to pick a favorite. Personally, I’m content to wait till the next time.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:52 amWrong moron. The Holocaust as any Jew will tell you, started in the beer halls and back alleys of Germany.
It started in a cell in Landsburg prison, and it started in a hotel room in Berlin.
It started with a smug joke about a Jew.
A slur on the Torah.
A poster, plastered on a Berlin lamppost, showing a Jew looking ignorant, criminal and stupid.
It started with bigots like you, who think their mockery of a group of people simply based on their faith, somehow makes them superior.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:53 amSigh… only if you’re a bigot.
The rest of us are able to disagree, without mocking their beliefs as “Delusions” or “Fairy tales”, or all the other crap that’s said in here about people of faith.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:55 amBravo! Another quote mine coupled with an unsupported assumption of intent.
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June 1st, 2009 at 3:50 am
You’ve said nothing of worth all night , and you lied blatantly and unapologetically , by claiming I name-called you when it was you that started that childish behavior ; and you continue to laughably claim I’m a “bigot” , which is catgorically untrue , and made even more clear by a liar hysterically trying to make that claim.
2nd It is not “true” that bigotry, intolerance whether social, racial or religious, are the seeds of events like the Holocaust ; because , as I rightfully pointed out , did the Japanese go through the same end result as the Jews did ?
What happened to those “seeds” , you pathetically stupid jackass ? Birds eat them ?
But you keep going on with your mindless drivel , and believeing you’re some upstanding and righteous indivdual , trying to apologize and excuse-make for religion ; something responsible for more suffering than just about anything else in human history.
Your warped and cowardly behavior is mildly amusing …..
BTW
Put up another post that I or pete “ran away” , you lying jackass…….
June 1st, 2009 at 4:03 amNo, bravo on another straw argument about me saying something about your “intent”.
I never said anything about your “intent”.
I merely addressed the actual “WORDS” you write or defend.
And calling peoples faith “DELUSIONAL” and or “FAIRY TALES” is bigotry, plain and simple.
Whether you are able to deal with that, or not.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:06 amYou’re lying now.
I never said YOU name called first, liar.
But feel free to provide the actual sentence where I did.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:08 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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That their rights were removed prior to that , and that you equate that is when it “started” , is meaningless ;
Wrong moron. The Holocaust as any Jew will tell you, started in the beer halls and back alleys of Germany.
It started in a cell in Landsburg prison, and it started in a hotel room in Berlin.
It started with a smug joke about a Jew.
A slur on the Torah.
A poster, plastered on a Berlin lamppost, showing a Jew looking ignorant, criminal and stupid.
It started with bigots like you, who think their mockery of a group of people simply based on their faith, somehow makes them superior.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:53 am
What words should I use to describe belief in untrue/completely fabricated and fictitious stories , retarded Shakespeare”S” ?
I didn’t buy the Bush administration’s bullshit stories on anything ; how is my non-acceptance of them and their concocted drivel acceptable , yet calling out those who believe in unproven yanrs is not ?
Your hypocrisy and ignorance are almost frightening…….
BTW
When did I claim superiority , you lying weasel ?
Are you actually capable of posting something without making shit up ?
Doesn’t seem like it ………
June 1st, 2009 at 4:08 amOf course, this could be illiteracy again.
We saw how you dealt with the my statements on the events leading up to the Holocaust.
Which is one prime example of a post you’ve “run from”.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:09 amSo now you’re likening people’s faith with the lies of the Bush administration?
Your bigotry knows no bounds.
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June 1st, 2009 at 3:50 am
You’ve said nothing of worth all night , and you lied blatantly and unapologetically , by claiming I name-called you when it was you that started that childish behavior ;
You’re lying now.
I never said YOU name called first, liar.
But feel free to provide the actual sentence where I did.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:08 am
You lying little weasel biatch …….
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Claims the pathetic wonder who used grade school insults like Ironhead and Lunkhead to start it all off….
Your ignorance and stupidity is only exceeded by your arrogance and amazing hypocrisy………
No, I was called names first. That you “piled on the shitpile” is your problem.
As as for my “arrogance and hypocrisy” I’m not the one mocking people for their faith.
That would be you, bigot.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:47 am
June 1st, 2009 at 4:12 amPeople of faith can be good or bad. Just like atheists can be good or bad.
Which is why we don’t lump them into a stereotype.
We deal with the man, not his beliefs, race, creeds, sexual orientation or color.
Because there’s good and bad everywhere.
As we see from the bigots in here, who mock people of faith, and then defend their bigotry with like a brownshirt in a beerhall.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:14 amGodwin’s Law. Good one.
Reductio ad Hitlerum, also argumentum ad Hitlerum, or reductio ad Nazium
Perfect.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:14 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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What words should I use to describe belief in untrue/completely fabricated and fictitious stories , retarded Shakespeare”S” ?
I didn’t buy the Bush administration’s bullshit stories on anything ; how is my non-acceptance of them and their concocted drivel acceptable , yet calling out those who believe in unproven yanrs is not ?
So now you’re likening people’s faith with the lies of the Bush administration?
Your bigotry knows no bounds.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:12 am
Translations of the Bible haven’t been remade or perverted for use by a group or indivdual for their own benefit ?
Are you truly as ignorant as you are stupid and dishonest ?
What a sorry little lying cretin you are……..
June 1st, 2009 at 4:15 amNever said they weren’t.
Once more pinhead, that’s why we deal with the individual and the individuals actions, instead of mocking and ridiculing their race, creed, color, sexual orientation or religion.
Either you believe in equality, or you don’t.
You don’t get to pick and choose.
Either you’re a bigot, or you’re not.
And you sir, are a bigot.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:17 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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Of course, this could be illiteracy again.
We saw how you dealt with the my statements on the events leading up to the Holocaust.
Which is one prime example of a post you’ve “run from”.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:09 am
Intentionally ignoring responses to your idiocy doesn’t qualify as “running away” , you sorry little insect.
If they do to you ………………..Well , no one really gives a shit ; a liar’s opinions never mean much , anyway
June 1st, 2009 at 4:17 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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People of faith can be good or bad. Just like atheists can be good or bad.
Which is why we don’t lump them into a stereotype.
We deal with the man, not his beliefs, race, creeds, sexual orientation or color.
Because there’s good and bad everywhere.
As we see from the bigots in here, who mock people of faith, and then defend their bigotry with like a brownshirt in a beerhall.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:14 am
Please explain the inherit “good” that comes from blindly believing fictitious accounts , and attempting to convince others of its “truth” , shitstain ………..
June 1st, 2009 at 4:20 amHow is it idiocy?
You claimed that the Holocaust was the topic, and then tried to ignore the fact that I was clearly talking about the events leading up to the holocaust.
You defended a position for Teleman that he himself had already discredited and admitted he was wrong about.
And when I called you on it, showing you your words, you changed the subject.
That’s running in any book.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:20 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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Translations of the Bible haven’t been remade or perverted for use by a group or indivdual for their own benefit ?
Never said they weren’t.
Once more pinhead, that’s why we deal with the individual and the individuals actions, instead of mocking and ridiculing their race, creed, color, sexual orientation or religion.
Either you believe in equality, or you don’t.
You don’t get to pick and choose.
Either you’re a bigot, or you’re not.
And you sir, are a bigot.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:17 am
And you’re a liar and an imbecile………Believing it is perfectly acceptable to not only base things upon fictitious events , but to promote them and be accepting of them as fact , when they simply ARE NOT , is the height of absurdity and willing ignorance ; 2 traits you are personally and intimately familiar with , dipshit ……..
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Of course, this could be illiteracy again.
We saw how you dealt with the my statements on the events leading up to the Holocaust.
Which is one prime example of a post you’ve “run from”.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:09 am
Intentionally ignoring responses to your idiocy doesn’t qualify as “running away” , you sorry little insect.
How is it idiocy?
You claimed that the Holocaust was the topic, and then tried to ignore the fact that I was clearly talking about the events leading up to the holocaust.
You defended a position for Teleman that he himself had already discredited and admitted he was wrong about.
And when I called you on it, showing you your words, you changed the subject.
That’s running in any book.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:20 am
I already stated that the start of the Holocaust , as deemed by you , WAS NOT.
Just because you claim something , doesn’t mean it is FACT ; in fact , because it is you claiming it , it’s most definitely not true, as is the case with all liars.
Buy a new book , and learn how to read it properly , chowderhead…….
June 1st, 2009 at 4:26 amWell little man, if you would work more on the Speak-N-Spell, you’d actually be able to read the comments of mine you’re posting.
Here. I’ll repost your repost.
See genius? I never said anything about inherit (the word you’re looking for, is “inherent”) good.
I said we deal with the MAN, not his beliefs. We judge a person on their actions, not their belief systems.
People of faith do all sorts of good. Charities, help for the poor, sick, afflicted, etc on a massive scale, globally, has been the product of religious people, just like evils committed by religious people have also occurred throughout history.
Which is why we avoid bigotry, and look to judge a person not by the color of their skin, the creeds or belief systems they follow, their sexual orientation or their race, but on the content of their character.
What a man does is what we judge on.
Not what he believes.
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At least, that’s what decent people judge on.
Bigots always opt for the stereotype and blanket prejudice.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:27 amBTW
WAYNEBOZO
Want to talk about “running away” ?
I see you conveniently ignored the post where you started with the childish name-calling , and claimed I did it 1st ; how does it feel to be nothing more than a snotty little lying worm ?
June 1st, 2009 at 4:31 amUhh, you’re claiming that the Nazi movement did not begin in the beerhalls of Berlin?
That the persecution of the Jews didn’t start with the mockery and public humiliation of the Jews?
You’re claiming that “MEIN KAMPF” was not written a decade before Hitler seized power, in Landsberg Prison?
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Those were my facts, pinhead.
Feel free to point out which ones you’re claiming aren’t true.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:34 amWrong again pig.
Scroll up. I challenged you a half hour ago to produce the comment where I accused you of “starting with the name calling”.
And I’m still waiting for you to produce that one, liar.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:37 amJust like I’m waiting for you to denounce one of the statements I’ve made about Nazi Germany and the events that led to the rise of the Third Reich, and the Holocaust.
Go on, tell us again how I’m wrong.
Tell us how it didn’t start in the Berlin Beer Halls.
Tell us how it didn’t start with the public humiliation and ridicule of the Jew.
Tell us it didn’t start in a cell in Landsberg prison, long before Hitler ever came even close to power.
Go on pinhead. I’m waiting.
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So sorry , word police ; that still doesn’t make it acceptable to spread around stories as “fact” , because of your OWN BELIEF(S).
That is an action that can be judged , and in a free society , it’s unacceptable.
And I know a lot of non-religious individuals who do charity work and donate ; and when is it that anyone ever sees an atheist or agnostic kill in the name of nothing , you sorry little chump ?
What wars have been started in the name of Atheism ?
Idiots and liars refuse to see the insanity of that
“Luckily” for you , you are both……..
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WAYNEBOZO
Want to talk about “running away” ?
I see you conveniently ignored the post where you started with the childish name-calling , and claimed I did it 1st ; how does it feel to be nothing more than a snotty little lying worm
Wrong again pig.
Scroll up. I challenged you a half hour ago to produce the comment where I accused you of “starting with the name calling”.
And I’m still waiting for you to produce that one, liar.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:37 am
Post #598 , you lying little nitwit ……….How do it feel to be exposed a lying sack of shit ?
Loser.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:42 amIf you wanted to trace the history of any one phenomenon that led to the persecution of the Jews under the Third Reich, you would start with an enormous pool of very real factors. First of all, you could look at it as systematic and mechanized murder. Mass murder has a history of its own with many factors. You could look at it as the imprisonment and murder of enemies of the state. That too has a long history entailing the convergence of many phenomenon, brought to a head by forces over which individuals had varying levels of awareness and control. You could write dissertations for many lifetimes, I’m sure—
but I don’t know why I’m even bothering with Waynebro in his single-minded boob mode.
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Just like I’m waiting for you to denounce one of the statements I’ve made about Nazi Germany and the events that led to the rise of the Third Reich, and the Holocaust.
Go on, tell us again how I’m wrong.
Tell us how it didn’t start in the Berlin Beer Halls.
Tell us how it didn’t start with the public humiliation and ridicule of the Jew.
Tell us it didn’t start in a cell in Landsberg prison, long before Hitler ever came even close to power.
Go on pinhead. I’m waiting.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:39 am
Japanese internment camps ; was that a Holocaust ?
Just because B followed A , doesn’t mean A caused B.
Maybe in your lying little world it does , but then again , no one gives a shit.
Feel better , zipperhead ……….
June 1st, 2009 at 4:44 amReally?
Well, as usual instead of actually posting the comment, you just “allude” to it.
Because like your friend Pete, its easier to lie about someone if you don’t have to post the words.
So, here’s post number 598.
Please show us where in it is a sentence where I accuse you of “starting the name calling”.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:47 am
Here’s an idea, liar.
Instead of “alluding” to a comment by the post number, why not just POST the comment?
If like you’ve repeatedly claimed I accused you of starting the name calling, then surely you can just post the statement where I said that.
Right?
I mean, how hard is that?
:|
If you’re not lying that is.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:48 amWe didn’t lock the Japanese up because of their religious beliefs or even their race. We locked them up because they DECLARED WAR ON IS.
Idiot.
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June 1st, 2009 at 4:47 am
So , not only do you not know how to read or comprehend , or be honest , you can’t count , either ?
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June 1st, 2009 at 3:50 am
You’ve said nothing of worth all night , and you lied blatantly and unapologetically , by claiming I name-called you when it was you that started that childish behavior ;
You’re lying now.
I never said YOU name called first, liar.
But feel free to provide the actual sentence where I did.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:08 am
You lying little weasel biatch …….
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Claims the pathetic wonder who used grade school insults like Ironhead and Lunkhead to start it all off….
Your ignorance and stupidity is only exceeded by your arrogance and amazing hypocrisy………
No, I was called names first. That you “piled on the shitpile” is your problem.
As as for my “arrogance and hypocrisy” I’m not the one mocking people for their faith.
That would be you, bigot.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:47 am
June 1st, 2009 at 4:12 am
Man , you are absolutely hopeless …….
June 1st, 2009 at 4:52 amThe fact that the Japanese living here in the US were not hostile was not evident at the time, and the US made a decision that it’s now apologized for, in the interest of national security.
Liking that to the systematic slaughter of the Jews based on their faith and race alone, is stupidity of the highest order.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:52 amNO, Waynebro. Likening the criticism of religion to the systematic slaughter of the Jews takes the cake.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:53 amAnd I never said that our bigotry MUST lead to a holocaust.
I merely pointed out that it was bigotry, that sewed the seeds of the Holocaust.
Which it did.
Which is why decent people, avoid it.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:53 amWAYNEBRO Says:
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Here’s an idea, liar.
Instead of “alluding” to a comment by the post number, why not just POST the comment?
If like you’ve repeatedly claimed I accused you of starting the name calling, then surely you can just post the statement where I said that.
Right?
I mean, how hard is that?
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If you’re not lying that is.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:48 am
Check above , you lying moron.
BTW
How hard can it be to copy and paste the post number I pointed out?
What a stupid ass ……….
Guess when you;re a lying moron , it’s damn impossible , apparently.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:54 amWell it’s a good thing I never did that then isn’t it asswipe?
Because I never did.
I simply made the point that it was that sort of bigotry that LED to the holocaust.
Which is why you never start down the slippery slope of religious intolerance.
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And I never said that our bigotry MUST lead to a holocaust.
I merely pointed out that it was bigotry, that sewed the seeds of the Holocaust.
Which it did.
Which is why decent people, avoid it.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:53 am
Oh please
You can go back 2 millenia and make that same type of silly claim ; knock your stupid bullshit off.
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NO, Waynebro. Likening the criticism of religion to the systematic slaughter of the Jews takes the cake.
Well it’s a good thing I never did that then isn’t it asswipe?
Because I never did.
I simply made the point that it was that sort of bigotry that LED to the holocaust.
Which is why you never start down the slippery slope of religious intolerance.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:54 am
Pointing out the inaccuracies and phoniness of and in religion , is not religious intolerance.
Just because you claim it to be , doesn’t make it so , shitstain ……..
June 1st, 2009 at 4:58 amIt was much, much bigger than bigotry. That’s like saying that nationalism was the seed of World War II, so we must all avoid any feelings of nationalism; which is not to say that bigotry has any particularly redeeming qualities—just that you have a serious problem with scope.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:59 amNope. And as I’ve pointed out 1000 times this evening, I never suggested it was.
But foul mouthed juvenile insults of it, like calling it “DELUSIONS” and “FAIRY TALES” and mocking their deities as “JEBUS” , etc, IS.
June 1st, 2009 at 5:01 amNope. That was the seed, as any Jew will tell you.
Or anyone for example, who like me, had family involved during that time period.
It was BIGOTRY. INTOLERANCE. Self Serving Superiority.
The mocking and ridicule of a people, that led ultimately to their systematic slaughter.
As every book on the subject out there, will tell you.
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Pointing out the inaccuracies and phoniness of and in religion , is not religious intolerance.
Nope. And as I’ve pointed out 1000 times this evening, I never suggested it was.
But foul mouthed juvenile insults of it, like calling it “DELUSIONS” and “FAIRY TALES” and mocking their deities as “JEBUS” , etc, IS.
June 1st, 2009 at 5:01 am
Believing in a non-existent , mythical being , along with all the fabricated stories told about it and others , is what to you ? How should it be addressed ?
“Normal” behavior ?
People believed the Earth was the center of the galaxy and the universe , too , at one time , along with the planet being flat.They were dead wrong ; would anyone who insisted on retaining those beliefs be viewed as anything other than mentally ill and/or willingly ignorant ?
BTW
I don’t know why in the hell you posted “JEBUS” ; I heve NEVER used that term.
I guess it’s just more of your typically dishonest behavior
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It was much, much bigger than bigotry.
Nope. That was the seed, as any Jew will tell you.
Or anyone for example, who like me, had family involved during that time period.
It was BIGOTRY. INTOLERANCE. Self Serving Superiority.
The mocking and ridicule of a people, that led ultimately to their systematic slaughter.
As every book on the subject out there, will tell you.
June 1st, 2009 at 5:03 am
Then again, claiming to be “God’s chosen people” , sure isn’t going to win over a lot of other people ; that’s bigotry , too.
June 1st, 2009 at 5:09 amYes, the Holocaust has a special meaning for Jews, but it doesn’t give them the right to define World War II entirely in their terms or to define Germans, for that matter. 27 million Russians died at the hands of the Third Reich, too. 200 million total—all over the world. War is insane. The Germans had a lot more going on than the persecution of Jews, had they not, it’s doubtful that they could have carried out the Holocaust, which is one of countless atrocities in the human project—most of them carried out in a time of war when otherwise non-violent people commit unconscionable acts that they had previously thought they were not capable.
But Jews can trust that atheists and agnostics probably won’t send them to death camps for their religious culture. Actually, Waynebro, you have qualities that make me wonder if you might not be one of the first to commit atrocious acts in a time of war. You obviously don’t examine yourself too carefully, if you actually believe that you are not a bigot and everyone else who has argued with you here is.
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June 1st, 2009 at 8:45 amExpect to hear this from the GOP (Got Our Pimpsticks) during the Sotomayor confirmation hearings and for the Democrats to not say this.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:00 amMcConnell is the “highest elected Republican in the United State of America” REALLY!? He’s the highest? Enough said!
June 1st, 2009 at 9:03 amDoesn’t any Media Host have Balls to call these Political Hacks out anymore.
When Russert died so did Journalism.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:10 amAll of this racism and affirmative action talk, yet no one is talking about how white people are constantly benefiting from affirmative through the legacy policy that allows people like George W. Bush into Yale.
http://progressnotcongress.org/blog/?p=1493
June 1st, 2009 at 1:52 pmAt the risk of reopening this can of worms, I think someone doesn’t quite get that a slippery slope
- Wiki (empasis mine)
June 1st, 2009 at 2:42 pmOnce again apparently literacy appears to be as much your enemy as is bigotry.
Normal means typical, regular, usual, etc.
And since the majority of humans on this planet do believe in some sort of being, deity or afterlife, by the very definition it would constitute “normal behavior”.
Once more I must direct you to the Speak-n-Spell.
I hear it works wonders.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:50 pmFirst of all lets clear up your historically challenged figures. As usual, your facts are as incoherent as is your argument.
In WWII, around 70 million people died. Not 200 Million.
So once more we see why I, who have family who survived the war, and who has studied WWII for over 40 years, don’t need any information from a twit on the web who clearly doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about.
As for what the Germans had going on, it almost sounds if you’re making excuses for their murder of the Jews. Who cares what they had “going on”. The Holocaust of the Jews was the single largest effort of the Nazi’s to exterminate a race of people. Everyone who knows anything about WWII is fully aware of the fact that others died in the camps too, including gypsies, homosexuals, Roman Catholics, atheists, and others, but the overwhelming majority that were persecuted and slaughtered in the camps, were Jews. Disrespecting that fact makes one wonder your allegiances, not mine. The world is full of low brows who deny the Holocaust, or try to downplay the events, as you appear to be doing, but the rest of the world knows better.
And the Holocaust of the Jews began not in the Reichstag, not on the battlefields (in fact it had nothing to do with the battlefields as you seem to want to imply) and everything to do with BIGOTRY and INTOLERANCE.
In fact, if you are so dense that you wish to continue to argue that point as does your lowbrow twin Pete, I suggest the two of you take a trip to DC and visit the Holocaust museum, where you will learn that the Holocaust took place because of BIGOTRY and INTOLERANCE.
The two key defining catalysts that led to the extermination of 6 million Jews.
Your “revisionist” history doesn’t change that fact, as any Jew anywhere, will tell you. As will the history books. As well the holocaust museum in Washington DC.
BIGOTRY, INTOLERANCE, these were the seeds of the “final solution”. And it didn’t start in the Reichstag.
It started in the Beer Halls and streets of Berlin. It started in a prison cell in Landsberg, and it started with the intolerance and bigotry of those who thought themselves superior to the lowly Juden.
Try learning something about history, instead of attempting to rewrite it.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:08 pmOnce more we see that the bigot is so blinded by his own bigotry and his desperation at making excuses for it, that he knows nothing about history except his own revisionist history, similar to the White Supremacist revisions of history.
Pol Pot wasn’t an Atheist?
What about “State Atheism” in the former Soviet Union?
Marx wasn’t an Atheist?
China didn’t impost state Atheism and persecute religions?
North Korea didn’t impose state Atheism and persecute the religious?
Communist Albania didn’t impose state Atheism, and persecute the religious? Enver Hoxha didn’t ban all religion?
You’ve never heard of the Agrarian Reform Law?
You’ve never heard of the Jesuit Order, or Decree 743?
You’ve never heard of the
Stalin wasn’t an Atheist, and didn’t compel the people to embrace Atheism and condemn religion? He didn’t persecute the religious?
June 1st, 2009 at 4:06 pmClearly your facts on Atheism are as poorly based as are you facts on WWII.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:17 pmBut feel free to spend another 500 comments saying “nuh uh” with your lowbrow friends.
Your revisionist history, fabricated statistics, ignorance as to the role of atheism in the atrocities committed throughout the world, all put your arguments in defense of bigotry and intolerance in a much clearer light.
We see now how much history you actually know, which is pretty much none at all.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:25 pmOf course he has better things to do!
Like staying in the closet and giving his beard some hush money so she can go shop.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52295
Is he still seeing “jeff gannon”?
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