Right-wing hate reacts to murder of Dr. George Tiller.
Right-wing hate reacts to murder of Dr. George Tiller.
Earlier today, George Tiller, a Kansas doctor who administered abortions, was murdered “as he stood in the foyer of his church.” Tiller, who frequently wore a bullet-proof vest for protection, was shot and killed by an assailant, purported to be a 51-year old man named Scott Roeder. The killing comes only two months after he was found not guilty of performing illegal late-term abortions. People For The American Way’s right-wing watch blog notes that “those who had long targeted and demonized Tiller were quick to issue statements,” including this one by Randall Terry which essentially blamed Tiller for his own murder:
George Tiller was a mass-murderer. We grieve for him that he did not have time to properly prepare his soul to face God. I am more concerned that the Obama Administration will use Tiller’s killing to intimidate pro-lifers into surrendering our most effective rhetoric and actions. Abortion is still murder. And we still must call abortion by its proper name; murder.
Those men and women who slaughter the unborn are murderers according to the Law of God. We must continue to expose them in our communities and peacefully protest them at their offices and homes, and yes, even their churches.
Some pro-life groups have been quick to denounce the murder. Attorney General Eric Holder said “the murder of Doctor George Tiller is an abhorrent act of violence. … As a precautionary measure, we will also take appropriate steps to help prevent any related acts of violence from occurring.” And President Obama released a statement expressing his shock and outrage. “However profound our differences as Americans over difficult issues such as abortion, they cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence,” Obama said.
“He died the way he lived.” “His was a bloody death.” Rev Rusty Thomas, Operation Save America (OSA) Someone “chose” to end George Tiller’s life this morning, in his church.John Amato, Andrew Sullivan, Amy Sullivan, and Gabriel Winant have more.
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May 31st, 2009 at 11:54 pmPro-Lifers are domestic terrorists and should be treated as such. Gunning down someone for conducting legal operations is murder. For all you ingnorant wingnuts: If you don’t approve of abortions, don’t have one. If you don’t want your daughter to have one, talk to her. Stay out of others business and for God’s sake, don’t use the Bible to commit crimes. Abortion has been legal in the US since the 1970’s. You forcing your ideals onto others is no different than the Taliban forcing theirs on the women in Afghanistan. You are terrorists and should be arrested and locked down.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:57 pmHere’s a reaction which makes some great points:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cristina-page/the-murder-of-dr-tiller-a_b_209562.html
Seems we’re so busy looking for terrorists outsuide of our borders but forget the ones we’re breeding at home. I hope his family has all the help they need to cope with this tragic loss.
Wonder how long until the trolls come and start the usual crap.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:02 amIf men such as Randall Terry wish to live in a land governed by the laws of their imagined god, they are free to leave the country and establish their own sovereign nation. I hear Antarctica is rather nice this time of year. But stop imposing your radical views upon the country my grandfather fought for in World War II.
I urge the Obama administration to do whatever is necessary to bring these people to justice. Men like Terry are not patriots. They are traitors. We must stop treating treason as something on par with a traffic violation.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:02 amAs per the upper posts,The pro-lifers are terrorist.They are no better than the Taliban.But you won’t see the Right Wingers who appear on TV & sing the praises of these creeps condemning their murderous actions.How sick.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:06 amThese guys should be tried for hate crimes.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:06 amI see the pro-life crowd has such a worthwhile view on human life. Up until the point they all start killing people in God’s name with bullets and bombs.
Way to hold the high ground by gunning down innocent people and having the soundbite jockeys try to find the justification in the act.
Who needs Islamic extremism when the domestic terrorists have the same fervor on the right and left?!
June 1st, 2009 at 12:09 amStupid right wingernuts! Don’t they know chimpy would’ve and could’ve reversed Roe V. Wade if he really wanted to what w/ all those low-life attorneys he had working for him? Rethugs don’t give a sh!t about abortion-they just use it as an issue to attract votes from pro-life wackjobs!
June 1st, 2009 at 12:11 amThis was a politically motivated murder designed to instill fear.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:16 amThat is the definition of Terrorism.
It’s long past time for a crackdown on the fanatical religious groups that plan and carry out these murders.
Enough is enough.
When will the Congressional GOP leaders apologize now to Sec Napolitano?
Remember the faux outrage over the DHS report that assessed just exactly this sort of violence and terrorism from right-wing hate groups?
Seems like DHS had it right and these are the sorts of people that are being protected by fake bluster from McCain & McConnell.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:29 amHow come they call themselves pro-life? I think anti-life is more applicable. They are in favor of killing the 9-year-old preggers with rape twins. Anti-life. The Pope is in the Mob. The mob blew up 9/11.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:29 amReligion is an abortion, there is no God, it is a made up tale from ancient goat herders…this man died for nothing but a superstious belief by hate mongerings sickos.
What needs to die is Religion.
Fcuk the Republic Fascist Party
June 1st, 2009 at 12:29 am“Culture of life”, right?
Double-standards, political jargon and murder being used by phony single-issue “Christians” that would also support mass-murder in war, death penalties and assinations of doctors & judges with whom they disagree.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:30 amUH OH. Now this is Waynebro’s thread. You ready to throw Christians to the lions, Buckie Boy?
June 1st, 2009 at 12:32 am“Not strong disagreement. But blind hatred.”
Agreed. Blind hatred. Regardless of agreeing or disagreeing with subject of abortion, Dr. Tiller was a human being gunned down by a heinous act of violence.
“Hatred is the coward’s revenge for being intimidated.”–George Bernard Shaw
June 1st, 2009 at 12:32 amI bet all the Dobson Focus on the Family toads are orgasming with glee now. The next Crusade for jayzus has officially begun!
June 1st, 2009 at 12:34 amBlind hatred, indeed. This act also put a tremendous amount of pride and joy in their hearts, too. God’s Mighty Sword, don’tcha know.
Quel ironique…
June 1st, 2009 at 12:35 ammk3872 Says:
“When will the Congressional GOP leaders apologize now to Sec Napolitano?”
Answer: Never. Never ever.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:36 amYou dont get into heaven through hate.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:40 amThe Republican base in action. I’m pro life and I’m here to kill you.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:42 amSexual terrorists. That’s all these killers are. They are fanatical, self-righteous busybodies, who are armed and dangerous: terrorists.
P. S. TP really falls down on the job on weekends; just like MSNBC… Daily Kos and Huffington POst had this story about ten hours ago. Why can’t TP just hired a couple of people to just post the leading news items, in a short format, without any analysis, on Sat. and Sun., so that the commenters can have a go at it?
Cheers.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:43 amIt is worth noting that Dr. Tiller was a practicing Christian who felt morally obligated to help women who felt they no choice but to have an abortion.
So much for the claim that Christians are all anti-choice.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:44 amI trust that the courts will handle this much better than the media does.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:50 am“Guido the Benevolent Torturer Says:
I blame CNN. They have recently started using the term “Pro-Abortion” instead of “Pro-Choice”.”
TV has absolutely ZERO in terms of perspective, analysis, information, or morals. The best TV shows are the ones with very little ratings because they pander LESS to the sponsors (generally). and it mean 1 am on sunday ratings.
People that even think they learned one IDOITA of anything useful from TV is 100% brainwashed. If its not good enough to be transcribed then its not good enough to watch. If its already transcribed its not necessary to watch. TV edits movies:sick. TV “news” makes me so inflammed. I haven’t met one intelligent person that watches TV “news”. Its so twisted.
I hope everyone who reads this just watches TV exclusively for something to laugh at. it is useless for anything else. I would really like to see a study that proves the the Right Wing watches TV more than any other group.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:53 amWell said Guido.
Personally I suspect that most women grasp the gravity of having an abortion and those who elect to have one truely do so only when they feel they ave no other choice.
As for those women who think nothing of having an abortion chances are they would make a terrible parent.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:01 amA useful post from Andrew Sullivan on Bill O’Reilly. I share his hope that this will help lead to the undoing of Billo’s reprehensible perch at Fox.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:05 amI hear you Aaron. I try to keep my KILL YOUR TELEVISION rants in check, but this is as good a time as any. The coverage of this appears to be particularly vile, as if shooting the doctor is the other side of the “unbiased” argument.
I have only owned one television in my life. I bought it, and watched it because I found that I didn’t know what anyone was talking about where I had previously worked. If you don’t watch it at all for a few years, and then you do, it feels like someone slipped you some acid. I swear it’s just the trippiest thing.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:05 amThe worst parents are those who think nothing of having a child.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:06 amReading some of the heartbreaking stories of parents who find out about catastrophic birth defects during pregnancy certainly lead me to feel that I am not at all one to say that abortion is automatically wrong.
And hearing the stories of women who suffered sterility, disfigurement, and – more often than those of us in our early 40’s or younger might easily appreciate – death from either ‘home’ abortions or abortions done by ‘doctors’ in horrible, unsanitary and degrading conditions, again I find myself unable to say that abortion is automatically wrong.
I just have never seen any merit in the absolutist right-to-life view. And then to hear how many of these folks are OK with or actively support the death penalty, I go tilt like a old pinball machine.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:13 amThese hateful, hypocritical,murdering bastards. These so called right to life killers who speak of right to life while they support murder. These pseudo moralists who show such a lack of morals. These people are typical of the kind of Midwest brain dead attitudes for anything not biblical. They do it all in the name of God or Jesus. They profane the very thing they espouse. I grew up there and I know who and what they are.
They want to deny a woman the right to her own body. To her own decisions regarding the very dominion over her own body. Discussions like these were in the female realm until the 70’s when men entered the picture. Then violence became the norm in place of discussion. Bombings and shootings. The fact is, this is a woman’s issue. Men have no place in it.
When was the last time a law was passed telling a man what he could do regarding his sperm? When has there ever been a discussion regarding his right to kill life by self pleasure or night time emissions? When was the last time a pharmacist failed to sell him a package of condoms for birth control. When has it ever been discussed as his right to make his own decisions about his own reproductive rights? NEVER.
These murders of female rights have very nearly closed down in this country, places where she can have an abortion. Women are to have no rights regarding an abortion for RAPE, INCEST OR DISEASE OR DAMAGED FETUS or POVERTY. A few cells literally are now more important then a fully grown female under any circumstances. What is the worse sin? An unwanted child, a diseased fetus, a lifetime of financial and emotional ruin, a life of an orphanage if the child is not adopted?
It is back to the coat hanger or back alley abortion, or large quantities of quinine or even products like Lysol to induce abortion. What man has ever had to make a choice like this?
These morally corrupt murderers have taken the lives of many doctors. They have killed and crippled those working in clinics. They stand outside the clinics screaming hate filled words at women entering. And they do it often dragging their own children, along to their demonstrations. Have you ever seen pictures of their own children with these women screaming and carrying pictures of dead babies? These kids seeing this lunacy are bound to be damaged. Nothing can excuse these so called lovers of the children for the damage they do their own children.
I will tell you something. Until men are made to adhere to the same birth control standards as women, and until they are legislated in their use of condoms or disposal of their own sperm, then I will not listen to them. Not to them or anyone else who tries to tell me what to do with my own body and reproductive rights. MY BODY. MY RIGHTS.
How fortunate we are to have these murderers to tell us what is right and wrong. How else would we know? Now the right wing nuts are saying how they do not approve. BS. If they do not want to see this kind of slaughter and murder, then they should stop setting the climate for it. They should stop the hate filled rhetoric that encourages the far out brethren of their own. Stop setting it in motion then trying to say, “not our fault,” when it happens.
HYPOCRITES!!!
June 1st, 2009 at 1:15 amGOP are reviving their base. The GOP’s wealthy aren’t going to go to rallies and such. Didn’t see many top GOPers at the tea paties.
Since they are hurting for rank and file. I guess the right wing christian fundamentals against abortion must give a the battle cry.
Can’t they just say no to abortion? And why do they want “Big Gov’t” to step in?
June 1st, 2009 at 1:16 amMost republican leaders will hold their powder till they hear what Rushbo and company have to say. It’s a weekday ritual, elected officials having their staff listen to the horse hockey jockeys, then gauge instant feedback from their “base.” Monday should be interesting.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:16 amGee, now some pro-lifer is gonna have to kill pro-lifer Roeder and then that pro-lifer must be killed by another pro-lifer and that pro-lifer must be killed by another pro-lifer and that pro-lifer will have to be killed by another pro-lifer and that pro-lifer will have to be killed by another pro-lifer and so on and so on.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:36 amI feel like a fell into an Orwellian well. Pro-lifers will, by the Lords word, destroy themselves from one single pro-life murder.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:38 amWWJD? Would he commit the ultimate sin of killing someone in his own house of worship? or does that sound more like something Satan would do?
June 1st, 2009 at 1:41 amFor all their fanaticism, they shy away from the truth.
Every embryo and fetus destroyed in this country is destroyed by its mother.
If abortion is murder, then it is the mother that is the murderer.
In previous centuries a mother would be put to death for aborting a pregnancy. But we can’t have that, even though it is where their logic leads.
So they take their Holly Crusade to a target of opportunity.
Has Randall Terry ever called a woman a murderer to the media? I would bet he hadn’t.
They like to fulminate about a ‘Holocaust of the Unborn,’ hoping to invoke Nazis and ovens. But the truth of the matter is that each of these ‘holocaust victims’ was not put to death by a system, by a mass process–but by the mother.
If you sat down most pro-life people in America, and asked them four questions:
1) Is abortion murder?
2) Is a mother who has an abortion a murderer?
3) Does she deserve the death penalty for her act?
4) Why not?
–you would find that most of them really don’t believe this rhetoric. They don’t want women put to death or jailed for their acts of murder–they want them intimidated, chastened and subservient. ‘Abortion is murder’ is just a thuggish rhetorical device to deprive women of a freedom they think thy shouldn’t have.
We should be thankful, I guess, that we don’t have fanatics actually shooting girls who’ve had abortions. God knows I never want to see that happen. But by murders like this one, they sanitize their criminality, keep it just at the level that won’t raise the real issue, makes them repulsive murderous thugs with one eye on the PR front.
Which is far more disgusting than a mere murderer.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:03 amI was just browsing the Fox News version of this story, I don’t read their drivel, BUT I do like to glean information from their comments section. they only have 169 comments posted, which means they have deleted around 1000, their average comment total is about 1100ish. I found they have 3 types of commenters: The straight bible quoters. The murder is bad.. but, crowd. And lastly the he got what he dissevered sickos. I’m not counting the pointless “it was all the liberals fault” chatter that comes in every fox news comments.
I think this makes a good case for the dwindling voice of the crazy right. When only 10% of the people agree enough with FOX to comment its a good sign that the US citizenry in general is at least mildly sane. Or it makes the case that people that watch FOX are illiterate. Where are the trolls tonight?
June 1st, 2009 at 2:05 amOops I forgot one other point about the Fox new comments. They use the term man and mankind a lot. I think they have been trained to disregard women in general. Its quite a misogynistic theater of ignorance.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:09 amchicken, I can’t figure out what are trying to say, you must be relatively new to commenting on things. sentences really help. but if you just write for the sound of the keys clicking that fine with me.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:31 amchicken and waffles Says:
??
Shocker!
For sure…..
June 1st, 2009 at 2:36 amvery simple answer
christianity died on the cross
June 1st, 2009 at 2:37 amWhich came first, the chicken or the blow to the head with the waffle iron?
June 1st, 2009 at 2:39 amtuckgraph Says:
Most republican leaders will hold their powder till they hear what Rushbo and company have to say.
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I think you misspoke there, tuck…
Didn’t you really mean to say… *** ahem…***
“Most Republican leaders will hold their WATER…” ???
See? Better, no?
June 1st, 2009 at 2:39 amchicken and waffles Says:
Can you prove they deleted 1000 posts? Thought not. Can you prove they deleted 1 post?….
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Whoa… that’s… that’s… pretty incisive… ‘course… on the other hand… you can’t prove that they didn’t either…
Shocker!!!!
June 1st, 2009 at 2:41 amWhat can we expect from a religion which has as its favorite icon an instrument of execution, and has murdered more people in the course of its bloody history than any other?
June 1st, 2009 at 2:41 amnoseeum Says:
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That’s a pretty bold claim, noseeum…
Other religions have DEFINITELY killed their fair share too…
June 1st, 2009 at 2:43 amLOL@ chicken! 1000 deleted post is an EXTREMELY conservative estimate. No I can’t prove it because I don’t work at 4chan. But I bet I can find at least 10 people that Fox has deleted the Posts of. Fox openly admits the censor their comments for opposing ideology. Its not an issue. My point was that they only have 169 people that made the cut. which is only about 10% of their normal amount of comments. LOL, Proof. you are a cracker jack.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:46 amThe Republic of Hymenoptera Stupidity Says:
That’s a pretty bold claim, noseeum…
Other religions have DEFINITELY killed their fair share too…
I’m certainly not disputing that….
I’m not known for being shy either….
June 1st, 2009 at 2:48 amDo you choke your chicken?
June 1st, 2009 at 2:51 amDon’t waffle now, tell us the truth….
I can prove that they deleted my 4 comments. And as you can tell i try to just make points and be civil. when I “TRY” to post on fox I bend to the center as much as possible to hopefully get in, never works. I guess the only way to get posted in the fox comments is just direct bible quotes. But gleaning information is fun because I know people enjoy information, except trolls, who enjoy conflict and can’t make points about issues. But sure love throw around terms like a$$hat. I bet by the time I am done posting this chicken will have cut and pasted some massive text he doesn’t understand.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:53 amIf men such as Randall Terry wish to live in a land governed by the laws of their imagined god, they are free to leave the country and establish their own sovereign nation.
May I suggest Saudi Arabia………..just the place for their bloodthirsty insane selves….almost every slight is met with punishment such as beheading, crucifixion, stoning, etc. Just the ticket for such knuckle-draggers. They all seem to conveniently forget that pesky commandment of God, “Thou Shalt Not Kill”. I believe that means “at all”, not “unless you have a grudge, or some cockamaime misplaced thinking about what constitutes following God’s law, etc.” Besides, I firmly believe that if there is a percieved crime and I do not believe this doctor to be guilty–abortion is legal in this country), it must be dealt with by the laws of the land–and that does not include some nutcase vigilante blowing people away in church or anyplace else. Those people belong in a prison cell for life. That is the law of THIS land.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:55 amchicken and waffles Says:
Patiently waiting….
Try plugging in the waffle iron.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:57 amGo look for my comments. didn’t find them? Deleted.
Proof.
O’REILLY: “comments on blogs … should be edited, as we do on BillOReilly.com.”
Proof.
Game.Set.Match.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:00 amI would really like to see a study that proves the the Right Wing watches TV more than any other group.
i think that study would show that the majority of right-wing wackos exclusively watch Faux Noise, that bastion of intellectual independent bi-partisian thought. >snark<
June 1st, 2009 at 3:02 amso far chicken has not made any effort to comment on the story at hand. bringing nothing to the table, although I must be doing something right he manages to send a fractured insult my way almost every post.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:06 amchicken and waffles Says:
better hurry up and swith names, agian…
Better hurry up and have another hot wing, it might help with the spelling…
June 1st, 2009 at 3:07 amand go check the waffle maker, I smell something burning…
….or maybe it’s just your soul….
yes, in-fact I do see you 900 posts. You are not very good at this are you? (don’t answer that, its called a rhetorical question).
June 1st, 2009 at 3:08 amchicken and waffles Says:
go after typos…LOL!
Sorry, force of habit, comes with education, you know…
June 1st, 2009 at 3:12 amWell, I guess perhaps you wouldn’t…
You are going to have to take my word for it. I posted (tried to) 4 responses in the Fox news story. They are not there. Why on earth would I lie about something like that. Chicken, honestly are you just here to hear yourself whine or do you actually have anything to say? and about the name changing thing. I have used this name on every comment on every blog that lets me. I am trying to gain a spot as someone who actually considers data and makes valid observations. I try to stay mostly neutral in opinion. But people like chicken attack discourse and defend giant corporations as if they are family. If Fox news is your family why do you hang with the “bad boys” at TP?
June 1st, 2009 at 3:16 amWe love you, chickenman, and we pray incessantly for your redemption.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:20 amAnd if you don’t convert, we will burn you at the stake, after waterboarding you to find out where your fellow believers are hiding, and condemn your soul to burn in hell. In the name of the savior, of course…
Which came first, the chicken or the Eggo?
June 1st, 2009 at 3:30 amway too much cutting and pasting. oh well. double and triple reading. too bad we couldn’t do some double and triple thinking. or even so thinking at all. I have a question that I want people to answer as truthfully as possible:
Have you ever posted on Fox website and have it go through?
June 1st, 2009 at 3:31 am(only count if you were following their COC)
The real issue about this story is something I have been hinting at all night. The repression of ideology by “moderators” in forums that pose to be an open dialogue. The echo chamber effect must make Obama fairly frustrated. He says he wants to reduce abortions to zero. But somehow the religious right takes that to mean he is pro-abortion. How come clinton had the fewest abortions under his term in 50 years and Bush had the most under his term? reality and abortion are like oil and water. There seems to be A LOT of male voices arguing about this issue and yet the females, whose bodies we are talking about controlling, seem eerily silent.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:39 amSomething just happened that I NEVER thought I would see. Michelle Malkin’s blog actually took the correct stance on this issue. She is Against the slaying. I usually can’t get too far into her posts before the hate is too overwhelming. The thing about this particular post of hers is that she agrees with obama! maybe getting flamed warz by Billo’ hit a nerve with her and she is going to start moving toward center. we can only hope.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:51 amHow many “babies” did this man kill?
ZERO.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:58 amSo a lone gunman shoots a guy that kills viable full term babies for cash.
He bought his home and cars with a stack of dead babies.
One guy who obviously was mentally unstable shoots this late term abortion doctor. A procedure where a baby can be 9months old and ready to be birthed. He can partially deliver the baby’s head out of the vagina, insert scissors into the base of the baby’s brain as it is ‘partially birthed’ and suction out the baby’s brain.
One person kills that man who performs that procedure. I guess I just dont know how you retards can say every pro-lifer is a terrorist lol.
Apparently the 50% of the population that does not agree with abortion. Oh, roughly 150 million pro-lifers are all terrorists and killed somebody lol
This is why I dont get into the abortion debates. B/c both sides of the issue are complete morons
I dont see why everyone’s panties are in a bunch. This was just a really really late term abortion lol
It’s actually karma
Ok so the abortion guy who kills full term, partially birthed babies is dead.
So how many babies will live b/c of him not being able to kill them for cash?
Karma is the will of God, a delicious irony meted about by God who controls everything, Even the words on the screen you are reading right now. The relections of light absorbed by your eyes and the neurochemicals in your brain that produce thoughts. All controlled by God by definition. The all-maker that made all.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:09 amAbout God
Self~ am unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything beyond in this Universe. Also: Absolute Reality or universal substrate, eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and ultimately indescribable in human language. As well as the sum total of the objective universe, some human minds boggle at any attempt to explain it with only the tools provided by reason. It is beyond the senses, beyond the mind, beyond intelligence, beyond imagination. Indeed, the highest idea is that the idea of me transcends and includes time, causation and space, and thus can never be known in the same material sense as one traditionally ‘understands’ a given concept or object.
School’s out. It gets to stay up late.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:16 amTwo questions:
1. Why is it always the men showing the most violence and outrage on the subject of abortion? Control issues? They also appear to be the most outspoken on on radio talk shows when this subject comes up.
2. If these folks are truly upset as they feel abortion is murder, then where are they on all the real killings going on over seas for corporate gain and greed?
I will bet the pro war are also in with the anti abortion group. Makes no sense.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:35 amGO TO JAIL as ACCOMPLICES for INCITING PEOPLE TO ACTS OF TERROR! I hope they FIND YOU and PUT *YOU* in jail you TERRORIST *SCUM*!
Obviously its time for you to take your medication. I am surprised they allow psychiatric patients access to the internet.
Just out of curiosity, well actually I would be truly amazed given your penchant for idiocy as exemplified in calling people terrorists that you disagree with, but, with that type of personality defects that are you put on display night in and night out. I wonder if you have ever held a job for longer than, say, a week?
How is it that you can pay for your internet access with no appreciable skills or ability to discuss things cool, calm and rationally?
I guess it just sort of boggles my mind when I read your posts, how could this person possibly be tolerated by coworkers or a boss?
He must be unemployed, I just strains me to think of what possibly you do besides being on thinkprogres 24/7
Do you care for your mom and live off of her social security checks? What exactly do you do for a living right wing?
If anyone is a terrorist, given your style of posting and inability to control what you express, its you. Unemployed, under educated. Hatred of most people, controlling, self-loathing, obese, acne, buttrash etc…
June 1st, 2009 at 4:51 amA psychological profiler would definitely be concerned about you as a potential murderer and probably a child molester as well
Republicans are pro-death penalty, pro-war, and pro-gun rights.
Republicans never have a problem killing human beings once they leave the womb.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:59 amI thought god was a drunken black Irishman dropping acid while biking the Outback. Who gives a shit what god has to say….
June 1st, 2009 at 5:22 amdbadass
God is everything including what you say, whatever you imagine got to be, that is your reality. Everything is just figures of light playing out in your mind. You create everything with your imagination
What am I?
June 1st, 2009 at 5:42 amMyself~ God is an unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything beyond in this Universe. Also: Absolute Reality or universal substrate, eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and ultimately indescribable in human language. As well as the sum total of the objective universe, some human minds boggle at any attempt to explain it with only the tools provided by reason. It is beyond the senses, beyond the mind, beyond intelligence, beyond imagination. Indeed, the highest idea is that the idea of me transcends and includes time, causation and space, and thus can never be known in the same material sense as one traditionally ‘understands’ a given concept or object.
A tragic irony to this event is that abortion rates are invariably lower where pro-choice laws are in effect. Studies wordwide confirm this:
What Pro-Choice Presidential Candidates Should Be Saying, by Cristina Page.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cristina-page/what-prochoice-president_b_59991.html
This means liberals and pro-choicers have prevented more abortions than the entire Right to Life movement. And they didn’t have to murder anyone to do it.
June 1st, 2009 at 5:45 amI still don’t give a shit what you think….
June 1st, 2009 at 5:47 amAaronQ of Maine Says:
The real issue about this story is something I have been hinting at all night. The repression of ideology by “moderators” in forums that pose to be an open dialogue. The echo chamber effect must make Obama fairly frustrated. He says he wants to reduce abortions to zero. But somehow the religious right takes that to mean he is pro-abortion. How come clinton had the fewest abortions under his term in 50 years and Bush had the most under his term? reality and abortion are like oil and water. There seems to be A LOT of male voices arguing about this issue and yet the females, whose bodies we are talking about controlling, seem eerily silent.
You can’t present the facts to these people…Apparently to many of them, Bush’s quaint lipservice to the “sanctity of life” and “we must err on the side of life” is enough for them.
June 1st, 2009 at 5:57 amhey wingnuts,
June 1st, 2009 at 5:58 amQ: what’s the difference between this and a car bomb in baghdad?
A: The promise of 17 virgins in heaven.
dbadass
Yes you do, you want to know where the Universe came from, where you came from, what the purpose of it all is.
God created everything. And its about what you think, this reality you perceive and imagine in your mind. Is just that, the reality in your mind based on your limited senses and interpretation of outside stimuli.
You are just like a colorblind trying to figure out what colors are. How do I describe the color green?
To give yourself to God and accept and understand what cant be conceived of until you open your third eye and see the grand colors of the universal spirit.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:08 amhttp://www.shroomery.org will give you instructions on how to grow psyclocybin magical mushrooms. Order some mycobags and a spore syringe and in six weeks you can see what colors you cannot see.
Or take 2 boxes of coricidin cough and cold with dextromethorphin in it. Blast off, see the truth Pierce the veil of this make believe reality you have imagined.
Join http://www.dextroverse.org and find your path. Forget this left wing rubbish that is cherry picked and slanted to control sheeple. This place is just an echo chamber and will not help you progress in your spiritual path and you would be doomed to repeat this life endlessly through samsarra until you move to the next level of learning.
Listen to God, he works in mysterious ways as they say and you cannot always understand God’s methods.
But I can assure, God controls everything, even the words being created in your imagination as you read this.
All part of the Allmaker, Brahman
You have just got the memo from God
I dont see why everyone’s panties are in a bunch. This was just a really really late term abortion lol
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June 1st, 2009 at 6:11 amSeems god uses lol in god’s memos. How uniquely middle school…
Money say’s that the killer, assuming he reads at all, has a book shelf full of tomes by O’Reilly, Limbo’, Hannity, Coulter, Falwell……..
June 1st, 2009 at 6:21 amWhy is “God” speaking in the third person?
June 1st, 2009 at 6:24 amThe extreme right of the American Taliban (today’s GOP) has reared it’s ugly head. Remember, murder, torture, raping…is only something others do and not done by the American Taliban! Yeah, yeah, because they said so! Spit.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:25 amHere again, as with torture, we have the pernicious and morally bankrupt notion that the ends justify the means. Murder is wrong unless it is done for the “right” reason.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:25 amG-d is the figment of the right wing’s imagination. It’s just the right wing killing, torturing, and raping in the name of g-d after their OWN voices in their heads told them to do it. Pathetic retards you are!
June 1st, 2009 at 6:27 amIf President Bush had truly been supportive of ending legalized abortions, he would’ve shown this support through actions — regardless of the other issues surfacing during his tenure.
For reasons that escape my understanding, Republicans tend to believe (at least every four years) that their party’s leaders actually support ending Roe v. Wade.
History shows otherwise.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:54 amStrange, but I’ve had “Morning Joe” on for 1 hour and they have barely, and I mean barely, mentioned the Tiller murder.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:58 amThey seem more interested in the Susan Boyle story.
The trolls are lame. And, for the record, there is NO definition of karma that fits what this ‘god” fellow here presented. So… sorry little “god” fellow, but you are a true ignoramous.
Anti-abortion protesters ARE domestic terrorists, by definition. Their ‘peaceful protests’, which they claim as falling under their freedom of speech rights, are acts of terrorism. And anyone who would argue otherwise should explain, then, what is the purpose of those in those protests, not in a public arena, not in front of a political edifice, but in front of the clinics and with their invective hurled at those women who go in. What, preceisely, is the intention of such demonstrations?
To educate? No. Ti intimidate and terrify. That is their methodology and that is their one and only purpose.
And anyone who argues that those protesters are NOT full of HATE, then they have never witnessed such a protest.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:13 amMorning Joe is Fox News Lite because it plays those songs liberals love, but the content is truly right wing. Sometimes they focus on Mika’s legs or shoes to keep their viewers from hearing what they’re saying. See? It’s a freak show and one i can’t watch too much anymore. It doesn’t help either that Joe Scarborough still hasn’t explained publicly how his secretary ended up dead when he was having an affair with her!
June 1st, 2009 at 7:15 amThe assassin turns out to be another Killers for Khrist Kult member.
Why do I get the feeling that Jesus Christ, who neither saved himself from his own physical death on the cross, nor saved any of his martyred disciples, would hardly be concerned about something called a fetus? Could it be because he knew something…about God, about Spirit…as he so often referred to in his liberal teachings?
In fact I’ll go as far as saying that Dr. Tiller was more a true Christian, who offered a kind, non-judgmental hand to pregnant women, assisting them in an often agonizing situation, than any member of the Killers for Khrist Kult can ever hope to be in this lifetime.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:15 amJeffy, no body cares about your stupid youpolls. If you can’t come here and say something about this topic, buzz off.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:26 amMan up Jeffy. Do you think abortion is murder?
June 1st, 2009 at 7:28 amOk, so I don’t understand something. In this story a simple blogger was actually jailed and risks being jailed again for “defamation” of character.
http://tech.yahoo.com/news/afp/20090601/tc_afp/entertainmentusinternetmediajusticepeople
but these hate groups won’t be treated the same way for their actions and hateful preaches leading to actual murders of these people they talk about? What the hell is wrong with this picture?
June 1st, 2009 at 7:33 amThese freaktoids are the terrorists. They are the people against hate crime legislation. They are the pro-gun in church, bars, and school bunch. They are home schooled idiots who wear teabags around their necks. All of these terrorists who get their ammo from FAUX should be shipped to Gitmo. I don’t feel safe with weirdos on the streets.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:43 amReligious belief is a mental disorder and should be treated as such.
I’m so tired of people demanding that I respect the delusions of insane people because they call it religion.
Religion is poison. Believers need help.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:46 amRantingTommy, I couldn’t agree more.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:48 amRantingTommy
I definitely agree. I have proof, not that you need it, but these nut cases do. I father has been increasingly religious for the past 10 years, and finally he cracked. He was admitted to a mental hospital for 2 months, and they ran many many test, but found nothing physically wrong with him. He has been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, but they still haven’t found anything wrong with him. The voices in his head, which he said was Jesus harassing him, drove him crazy.
Religion is a mental disorder.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:53 amSorry, I meant to say “my father”.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:54 amThese so-called religious people violate the Second Commandment, “Thou Shall Not Take the Name of the Lord in Vain” when they presume to know what God wants. They seem to be more concerned with the Second Amendment, protecting their right to pick up a gun and do murder, violating another commandment.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:55 amConservativeForProgress Says:
Yeah, because in reality, if they were happy about the murder they come out and say it. That is why we keep saying you religious right wingers have no clue.
Of course they will publicly denounce it, while at the same time continuing their usual practice of pretending to be god.
Clueless
June 1st, 2009 at 8:02 amConservativeForProgress:
June 1st, 2009 at 8:02 amI see you haver arrived as always to claim an open mind while simultaneously being negative about everything that ever is posted here.
CFP, what do you think these groups would say? Just because they put out a press release doesn’t make it so. Anyone who has seen or been to any of these protests at clinics can tell you different.
June 1st, 2009 at 8:05 amCFP is easily fooled by anti-choice people
He is extremely gullible, as evidenced by his support for all things Republican
June 1st, 2009 at 8:08 amWhen George Bush was president, the American Taliban (today’s GOP) laid low, because they were busy worshiping this man. Today? Oh boy! We have a Democratic president so now all the American Taliban Members are ranting & screaming, ‘We must die for Allah/God! We must kill! We must form armed militias to take over the country! We miss the Fuhrer! We’ve got at least 72 virgins waiting for us in heaven!”.
Scary bunch. In fact, since the right wing of America stood behind George Bush’s executive orders and his attorney’s making it legal to torture anyone they want, then they will have no problem with President Obama giving an executive order demanding the arresting & detention of all American Enemy Combatants (the American Taliban/Today’s GOP)! See? They (the American Taliban) follow the law in this country and worship it. *rolling eyes*
June 1st, 2009 at 8:09 amCFP probably suffers from the mental disorder called religious belief
June 1st, 2009 at 8:10 amCan we STOP calling these people pro-life? They are selective, essentially positing that the unborn deserve life more than some of the already-born, such as safe abortion providers and death-row inmates. These people are ANTI-ABORTION, NOT pro-life.
June 1st, 2009 at 8:13 amRandall Terry has not denounced the killing. He was once with Operation Rescue (and may still be). Terry, who once said he favored the death penalty (so he’s not pro-life), said he is more interested in Obama’s reaction to the killing.
Christianity = Domestic Terrorists. Pure and simple.
Christians believe they have God and Jesus in their pocket. That they and only they know his mind. They believe in the “rule of God” over the “rule of law” thus, they HATE our secular nation of laws and that gives them permission to kill in the name of GOD.
Hate speak pours from every cell of their beings. Hate that kills in the name of Jesus.
Fox News and Clear Channel are the focal points for this hate.
They have become the altars of Christianity in the 21st century and Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Beck, Hannity, Liddy, Maulkin, Coulter and more are its Priests and Priestesses.
June 1st, 2009 at 8:26 amIf one is truly “pro-life,” he or she doesn’t get to decide which life.\
Death penalty?
Unjustified wars?
Suicide bombing?
Murder in a church?
It’s time they called themselves what they believe: “Pro-pre-born.”
June 1st, 2009 at 8:33 amWhen is the public going to wake up and demand the peddlers of hate speech over the air waves be held accountable for aiding and abetting these nuts to violence and murder? How many people have to be murdered before these peddlers of hate are not given a free ride for inciting deranged nuts to action? This is not a free speech issue. If the likes of O’Reilly wants to go to a public place and stand on a soap box and spew his crap, that his right. To do it over the air waves, which we the public own, should not be their right.
June 1st, 2009 at 8:41 amthe simplest, best truth to come out of this:
holy rollers suck
June 1st, 2009 at 8:44 amorospu porno
June 1st, 2009 at 8:47 amYep. They’re the pro-murdering-anti-birth-control wingnuts.
June 1st, 2009 at 8:50 amright wingers are not really anti-abortion, they just use the delusional mental illness of their religious followers for political gain. right wingers had total control and did not outlaw abortion, it is just a ruse to drag the insane jesus humpers along
besides, if right wingers were against abortion, they wouldn’t work so hard to defeat policies that result in fewer abortions, such as birth control and economic stimulus
June 1st, 2009 at 8:54 amAmongst the tragedy of the murder of Dr. Tiller at the hands of this terrorist is the Christian right terrorists and their apologists including Fox and Clear Channel will use this act of domestic terrorism as ugly and bloody red meat for their base. Everyone who disagrees with them will become a target for more hate speech and derision. They’re going to because to do otherwise would mean they’re responsible for the hate and they can’t have that.
Get ready for the Christian right terrorists call of: “Hey! It wasn’t me!
June 1st, 2009 at 8:59 amHate is just so natural for the right wingnuts
June 1st, 2009 at 9:00 amWhat is with these Reich Wing American Taliban, they will assassinate doctors who are doing legalized abortions and these people will go to the ends of the earth to stop legal abortions but they do absolutely nothing to help with planned parenthood like condoms,birth control and all sorts of education for the poor women and teenage girls who get pregnant.The really sad part is that the pro-lifers will do nothing to help these poor women and teenagers with the baby once the baby is born into poverty and a life of misery and this keeps perpetuating to no end.No amount of sustenance living is possible for these babies and their mothers, but the pro lifers don`t care about the quality of life only saving that baby is what matters after that it`s on your and don`t ask for any help from your or local gov`t because funding for the poor is always cut first and foremost.As usual gov`t cuts are coming and they always target the poor and low income and no we can lump in the middle and working class into this mix because of the current crisis we are in.These people are sad and pathetic while doing this in the name of the Lord whom I hope punishes these folks to no end because he is all fire and brimstone and not a loving caring forgiving God.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:01 amSettle down kiddies, Tiller wasn’t murdered, he was ABORTED
June 1st, 2009 at 9:06 amThe root of this is all the false religions we have. Abolish all religion, and almost all the reasons terrorists have for killing and destroying, will disappear too. Religion is a blight on our world, and it’s high time it ended.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:10 amsorry, CFP, but you are still wrong
right wing terrorists have you cowering in fear
it’s telling that you are more interested in condemning what I say than what a murdering terrorist scum did to a doctor
June 1st, 2009 at 9:11 amCFP, Fact… there has been over 6100 act of violence against clinics and doctors since 1977. During that period of time how many acts of labor violence has there been?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:12 amCome on CFP answer the question. How many acts of violence by the labor movement has there been in this coutry since 1977? You made the charge, so put up or shut up.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:20 am“over 6100 act of violence against clinics and doctors since 1977.” How many acts of violence against the unborn?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:23 amnone
that was easy
June 1st, 2009 at 9:23 amPresident Obama said “However profound our differences as Americans over difficult issues such as abortion, they cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence,” Perhaps Mr. President you will heed your own words in Afghanistan and Iraq and Israel.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:25 amAnother disturbing aspect of this unfortunate murder is that the mainstream news organizations fail to mention how many lives were taken by handguns just yesterday. It’s a handgun problem as well as a hate problem. Fortunately, the church murderer of yesterday has been apprehended and will stand trial for his act.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:26 amReally easy to be wrong, Tom
June 1st, 2009 at 9:27 amHow many acts of violence against the unborn?
Unless you’ve been part of a couple who’s ACTUALLY been through an abortion, you might want to pipe-down a bit.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:29 amso we don’t need to award you any points for difficulty?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:29 amCFP, link please.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:29 amReich Wing Republicans. What a great, exactly descriptive phrase. Wonderful, wonderful.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:30 amleave it to CFP to make false comparisons to attempt to defend a murdering terrorist
typical right wing coward
June 1st, 2009 at 9:31 amI personally don’t know that much about Tiller’s life or his medical practices. I wish I even had a distinct decision as to what side of the abortion fence I stand, as I have yet to personally know of anyone who has been forced with that decision.
I just do not think that Hammurabi’s Code should be practiced as a justification for this act. I do have some flicker of belief in karma, but the reasonable part of me feels that the murder was inexcusable. As does the irrational side of me.
I am not too much of a church man, but I respect the ideal that a church is a holy place meant for worship and peace. To have someone enter it and commit a heinous act like this is unforgivable. To have extreme hate groups applaud the act is a personal disappointment.
I don’t know what the correct reaction is, but I just hope that people provide respect as they try to lay Mr. Tiller to rest peacefully.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:35 amConservativeForProgress Says:
The link is in my prior post angels81. Click the “9,000.”
That’s not documentation, goon. That’s a link to someone from an anti-labor group who CLAIMS that 9,000 violent acts have been committed, without any documentation and without any clear definition of “violent.”
I’d say you can do better than that, but the evidence establishes that you cannot.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:39 amThis all boils down to choice – despite the media labeling of “pro-abortion” — women (and girls) who choose to continue their pregnancy are making a choice to do so; yet many would deny women who would choose to end the pregnancy.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:40 amI doubt any woman is “pro-abortion” – but anguishes over a very difficult decision.
I always question the depth of rationale that would “allow” abortions in cases of incest or rape, as it is a blatant contradiction.
Late term abortions are not done on a whim – they are extreme cases of serious fetal problems or serious health problems with the mother.
CFP tries to deflect and change the subject while trying to defend right wingers from their support of terrorism
what a tool
June 1st, 2009 at 9:43 amCFP, you are kidding right? You give us one persons opinion as to how many acts of labor violence there have been, I quote from your link, ” According to Kerrigan there were over 9000 acts of Union Labor Violence”. Kerrigan gives no facts to back up her claim, No government stastics, no nothing. She does go on to say, less then 3% resulted in any criminal convictions. Try giving us a more credible source to your claim.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:43 amCFP, the 6000 plus comes from the justice dept, which since 1977 they have been keeping track of.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:45 amangles, forget it, it doesn’t matter what the subject, CFP will always try to turn it around against “libruls” because the radio tells him to hate them
he’s never been consistent or honest, he’s just a troll
a quivering, cowardly troll
June 1st, 2009 at 9:46 amCFP, I just told you were the numbers come from.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:49 amCFP posts to attempt to represent ALL right wingers as ignorant and cowardly
he does a fine job at that
June 1st, 2009 at 9:49 amLot’s of hot-air from those without any experience.
Like most hot-button issues, everyone’s got an opinion, but few have any first-hand knowledge.
I’ve been through an abortion.
And I married that woman, and we know have two great kids.
I have a damn good perspective on both sides of the issue, not just ignorant, hollow, bachelor bravado.
I’ll let my life experience dictate what’s truly right or wrong. Those of you with the hot sports opinion’s without any experience, need to STFU.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:50 amConservativeForProgress, why do you love right-wing terrorists?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:51 ambecause they hate “libruls” too
June 1st, 2009 at 9:53 amConservativeForProgress, why do you hate American union workers?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:53 amHow much of a right-wing extremist do you have to be to try to turn a horrendous act of right-wing terror into a slam against labor unions?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:56 amBecause he’s scared
June 1st, 2009 at 9:56 amI have to ask, CFP – are you actually claiming that harassing phone calls are equal to shooting doctors and blowing up buildings? I read that article you cited, and it referred to harassment and obscene phone calls, and alluded to the possibility of physical harassment (whatever that is), but gave no examples of such at all. That is not violence, it is harassment. It should be punished if caught, but if one is being even slightly intellectually honest with themselves, the fix for that situation is to change your phone number. There is no fix for being shot and killed for saving women’s lives (partial-birth abortions are not used for birth-control, they are -almost always, I won’t claim always, as there are exceptions to everything – used as a last-ditch effort to save the life of the mother, and to claim that the child is more important than the mother is not a pro-life position, nor is it a position of individual liberties). There is also no fix for being blown up with the building you were sitting in. I suppose no one ever told the bombers that clinics offer more services than just abortions, like pre-natal screenings for poor people, adoption counseling, and distribution of birth control, and that plenty of the people they’ve murdered through such actions were not there to abort their child, but to keep it healthy, or to prevent an abortion through safe-sex practices.
I don’t like abortion. The whole concept is terrible, and I feel awful for anyone that has to go through something like that, as it is certainly tragic and traumatic. I would also never presume to tell someone that they have to deal with the fact that they were raped or diddled by daddy and have to keep the evidence in human form for ever. Nor would I presume to tell someone that they must die to birth their child else they be a murderer. Nor would I tell someone that they have no choice but to have a baby that they are incapable of caring for. Those who do presume to tell others what is right for them stun me with their arrogance and sheer ignorance.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:57 amSpot on CFP, Try being a non union contractor in Northeast Ohio, better yet try crossing a picket line. I do not have the number of acts of violence committed by labor unions but I have personally witnessed several any heard of many more. None of which were reported to authorities. They vandalize your vehicle, destroy or steal your tools and find you in a local bar and physically assault you. As for his points of view @181 That is the demographic of a whole lot of people here in Ohio
June 1st, 2009 at 9:58 amThe FOX Nation comments on Tiller’s murder got so bad yesterday that the comments were all removed. There were lots of comments that the moderators should have never allowed to be posted in the first place but for some reason they did. I saw lots of comments saying that Tiller’s death was a good thing, that he was God’s servant, his body should have been dragged through the streets, count this as one for the good guys and so on. It got pretty bad.
Now FOX Nation has a new headline up but are afraid to allow anyone to make any posts. After what I saw yesterday, they should be afraid as FOX Nation has become worse than Free Republic.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:00 amThink Bill O’Reilly will report on the hate comments at FOX Nation? Don’t hold your breath.
so you’re a frightened little pansy, just like CFP
grow a set, you coward
June 1st, 2009 at 10:00 amConservativeForProgress Says:
Gumbled: Where did the number 6,000 come from?
It’s irrelevant, goon. You claim your number is “documented” but it isn’t. Pointing a finger at someone else’s number doesn’t make your claim valid or true.
So then you quote from another anti-union organization:
“National Institute for Labor Relations Research
a non-profit research facility analyzing and exposing the inequities of compulsory unionism”
Why is this at all credible?
June 1st, 2009 at 10:01 amAddendum:
You hadn’t posted your most recent citation when I made my post, so now I have another question: which is it? 10,000 or 100,000? Those numbers aren’t even comparable. How many of those crimes ended with death? Blowing up buildings and shooting people frequently ends with death, you know, but harassing phones calls rarely do.
I don’t agree with violence to solve a problem, but I do recognize when apples are being compared to mangoes.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:02 amsmidget, you are attempting to elicit an honest argument from a dishonest right wing moron coward
might as well attempt to get frosted flakes from tree bark
June 1st, 2009 at 10:04 amSounds to me like these right-wingers have a plan for cheap labor. They force every pregnancy to term, regardless of circumstances, and at the same time destroy labor unions, so all of those extra people will have to work for starvation wages when they grow up.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:06 amI have a set, I go into Union facilities nearly every day to earn my living, I mind my P’s & Q’s respect and follow Union rules. But once they find out I am non Union game is over. I am glad that I use a rental car because it usually does not fare well after that.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:06 amwe get it, you are easily intimidated and frightened
that makes you a good little republican coward
June 1st, 2009 at 10:07 amAnd I’m sure he voted for George W. Bush twice, so he could feel protected.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:10 amVoted for Kerry and Voted for Gore. But the Unions are still violent. Seems that 9,000 is the number..
http://www.nilrr.org/node/54
June 1st, 2009 at 10:14 amwell stag, don’t be so scared
stand up for yourself instead of cowering like a republican
June 1st, 2009 at 10:16 amObviously I do stand up. I refuse to join a Union, and continue to do my work. But by pointing out that Unions are violent that somehow makes me a coward??
June 1st, 2009 at 10:20 amStagoculus Says:
Voted for Kerry and Voted for Gore. But the Unions are still violent. Seems that 9,000 is the number..
http://www.nilrr.org/node/54
This is a rabid anti-union website, thanks.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:24 am
stag, the right wing doesn’t believe in right to work and will fight to maintain the corporate stranglehold, no matter what the ignorant partisan moron CFP says
June 1st, 2009 at 10:26 amThese sickening “pro-life” groups who are celebrating cold-blooded murder (in a church of all places) and blaming the victim are nothing but terrorist thugs.
RIP Dr. Tiller.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:28 amNotice that conservatives start doing this sort of thing every time they don’t control the White House?
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ConservativeForProgress Says:
My point is simply that the left wing can no more look at this relatively isolated act and claim that all “right wingers” are the same as Roedner any more than one could look at all who committed acts of violence in the name of organized labor and claim that all “left wingers” are the same as those purveyors of violence. Is that too complex for you, Tommy?
I see your point. But the violence is in line with the rhetoric coming from leading Republicans.
If the organized labor movement was using Marxist sounding catchphrases about how the rich must be eliminated for the good of society, and occasionally a leftist crackpot murdered an industrialist, those murders would be entirely consistent with the rhetoric that the larger group was preaching. The people saying such things could rightfully be accused of creating a political climate that foments murder.
When your “leading voices” are saying openly that abortion doctors are mass murders and baby-killers to the level of Joseph Menegele, murdering them would be a logical next step. It’s disengenious for such rhetoricians to then try to separate themselves from the consequential acts that naturally follow their rhetoric.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:29 amSeems to be a good site for a good cause. and that pesky 9,000 keeps popping up. You can turn a blind eye all you want however I experience that violence regularly as do many other people. Some Union people are no better than some whacko right wing christians. If you advocate that kind of behavior then you should have no problem with Tillers murder.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:29 amBrianFL Says:
These sickening “pro-life” groups who are celebrating cold-blooded murder (in a church of all places) and blaming the victim are nothing but terrorist thugs.
Somehow, I don’t think the god they’re worshipping is the God they say they’re worshipping…
June 1st, 2009 at 10:30 amConservativeForProgress Says:
RantingTommy clearly has no idea what “Right to Work” means. I’ll help you out Tommy, if you can keep up. In “Right to Work” states such as Florida, one cannot be legally forced to join a labor union in order to work a particular job.
In a wonderful Orwellian twist, a “Right to Work” state is also one in which you can be fired without cause.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:30 amYou have to admire the code these right-wingers have developed.
Of course, this is code for union-busting. Union-busting is now itself a big business to the tune of $3 billion/year. Fools like Stag and C4P think they are being rebels by slamming unions. In fact, they are nothing but toadies for the multi-national corporations.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:30 amCFP, I know what the “Right to Work” label is used for
If YOU knew what it meant, you’d call it by it’s more accurate title: “right to be fired”
but you’re an ignorant, dishonest, right wing stooge
June 1st, 2009 at 10:31 amCFP claiming someone ELSE doesn’t know something is hilarious in its irony
June 1st, 2009 at 10:34 amsend, help, whatever way you can:
http://www.naral.org/ or http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/
or http://www.plannedparenthood.org/
thank you.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:34 amI’ll help you out Tommy, if you can keep up.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:35 am—–
Got condescending ass much…
Especially when his explanation of “Rightto Work” was so childlike in it’s simplicity.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:36 amOh, we know what it means. We also now what other Orwellian right-wing catchphrases mean — like “Clear Skies”, “Healthy Forests”, “Family Values” and on and on.
We know that when you guys coin an innocuous-sounding phrase for something, it generally means the opposite.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:36 amCFP, you wouldn’t expect a lot of things that are true
it doesn’t change the fact that it is a law that protects owners at the expense of workers
and none of that changes the FACT that this is just another one of your straw men to deflect from the fact that yet another right wing terrorist committed murder based on his right wing viewpoint
you are just dishonest and ignorant
June 1st, 2009 at 10:36 amthe TOPIC is right wing terrorism, but CFP is too much of a dishonest coward to address that topic without trying to distract and deflect and spin
poor little CFP, still has nothing
June 1st, 2009 at 10:38 amYes, I’m sure next he will explain to us that the high price of eggs in China is the result of left-wing terrorism.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:41 amWe arrest, convict and imprison Islamic mullahs who preach hate and violence in this country under the homeland security laws the radical right insisted were necessary. We should use these laws to arrest the real terrorists we have moving within our midst. We need to arrest the whole hive of terrorists who make up these murderers and terrorists, including the preachers who inspire these killers. Let them all taste the power of the state in response to their hatred.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:41 amCFP says:
“don’t look at us, there has to be something on the left that I can whine about and claim equivalence”
CFP is a dishonest, right wing terrorism apologist
June 1st, 2009 at 10:45 amCFP tries to equate Unions helping workers with right wing terrorists murdering doctors
talk about dishonest partisanship! that’s low, even for you, CFP
June 1st, 2009 at 10:47 amTommy, you’re not providing us with any kind of big scoop here. Although I suppose it is a service to new visitors.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:48 amgive it up, CFP, you are just making yourself look even more foolish than you usually do
June 1st, 2009 at 10:49 amwell, there’s your problem right there. Your vision is obviously impaired. It might be those wingnut-colored glasses you’re always sporting.
(And by the way, they don’t really flatter your face. Your mom just said that so as not to hurt your feelings.)
June 1st, 2009 at 10:49 amI know, ralph, but I like rattling his cage
He’s such an ignorant little pansy, he practically begs for it
June 1st, 2009 at 10:49 amWay to hijack there, C4P. I am impressed.
But I don’t think you want to get into the history of the labor movement as an example of up political violence caused by the left. You may not like what you uncover. There are many, many instances of mass beatings and killings caused by business owners against workers who were trying to peacefully collectively bargain for better working conditions. Literal massacres. Even a quick wikipedia search brings up a jaw-dropping degree of mass murder on behalf of business. If you didn’t already know
Just one more quick thing on your union hijacking, and then I’m done addressing it. You aren’t in a union, but you work in a union place. That means that the working conditions, available benefits packages, wage level, etc. that you enjoy are all there due to them working together to negotiate collectively for it. But you refuse to chip in to help make that possible.
I find this to be a typically Republican attitude – you pretend you don’t enjoy the benefits provided by others around you pulling together, but the fact is, you do. Then whenever anybody asks you to pull your own weight to help make that happen, you insist that you’re an island unto yourself and that everything you enjoy is solely due to your personal efforts on your own behalf. You’re basically insisting on the right to selfishly ride on the coattails of everybody else. And you have that right. I just don’t ever want to hear from y’all a bunch of complaints about welfare queens or otherwise demanding that other people be left behind. Because conservatives are the biggest economic leeches of all, and always have been.
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chicken and waffles Says:
cap quack says:
No *viable* babies were aborted you lying piece of sh*t *TERRORIST* dum bass.
No proof, shocker!
Nobody needs to prove a negative. Besides, there’s the medical opinion of actual doctors, which I’ll take over your crackpot word any day.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:52 amElBruce, that makes way too much sense for CFP to acknowledge it
June 1st, 2009 at 10:53 amEveryone who has advocated violence against family doctors has blood on their hands today. The “pro-life” movement shows its true stripes with these actions.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:56 amIt’s about time America wake up to the real terrorist threat, right here at home from right wing organizations!
June 1st, 2009 at 11:01 amEl Bruce@267:
Just one more quick thing on your union hijacking, and then I’m done addressing it. You aren’t in a union, but you work in a union place. That means that the working conditions, available benefits packages, wage level, etc. that you enjoy are all there due to them working together to negotiate collectively for it. But you refuse to chip in to help make that possible.
I do not know if that was referring to my earlier posts but here it is anyways. I am an self employed independent contractor in the tire machine building industry. I service Tire manufacturing equipment which regularly takes me into Union and non union plants of Goodyear, Cooper, Bridgestone, Pirelli etc etc all over the world. I have my own health care, set my own wages and my own retirement plan. The Union does nothing for me except impede my job. I have no problem with a union organizing for the benefit of workers but I do have a problem with their destruction of my property solely based on me not being a member of a Union. You see the Unions are not for every one.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:02 amstag is doing the false equivalence dance
cute
June 1st, 2009 at 11:06 amCall it what you want Tommy. I am pro choice and ant religion However my life experiences with Unions is not that great and due to my occupation maybe I have seen the uglier side of the Unions. But it does strike a nerve with me when people blindly and ignorantly support unions thinking they do no evil. Kind of reminds me of the brainwashed radical religious freaks that follow the word of god.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:11 amStagoculus Says:
I am an self employed independent contractor in the tire machine building industry. I service Tire manufacturing equipment which regularly takes me into Union and non union plants of Goodyear, Cooper, Bridgestone, Pirelli etc etc all over the world. I have my own health care, set my own wages and my own retirement plan. The Union does nothing for me except impede my job.
If you’re doing the same work they’re doing, then the “independent contractor” gig is just another way of saying “screw me boss, I’ll hold my cheeks open!” Not only do collectively bargained conditions not apply to you, but neither do many worker-protection laws designed for your benefit. In which case, you’ve got bigger problems than being criticized on a blog or being scowled at by some workers. But in either case, your willingness to take it up any orifice makes it slightly more likely that they get screwed, too. And not everybody enjoys that as much as you do.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:13 amIt appears that you HAVE seen the uglier side of unions, and they do have an ugly side.
But in my experience, they do far more good than harm, and in fact are necessary to protect the ability of working men and women to achieve middle class stability and prosperity. The working world without unions would be brutal. It would be a right-wing corporatist’s dream, and we’ve seen how well their dream scenarios work out for the rest of us.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:15 amso, let me get your point correct stag:
are you saying that, because you got harassed by a few union people that you believe were acting because you were a non-union contractor, it excuses CFP for deflecting from the TOPIC, which is: right wing terrorism
how you can equate a few union harassers with a murdering terrorist is beyond me
June 1st, 2009 at 11:15 amThats just it I do not do the same work that they do. Tire companies have quit making their own machines years ago as a result their service people have not kept up with technology therefore they are required to bring someone like me in in order to keep their machines running at top production. That is why I do what I do because there is a high demand for it.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:17 amConservativeForProgress Says:
The topic, as I see is, is how an act of murder of an abortionist by a lone gunman is being used by the Left Wing as propoganda to paint all so called “right wingers” as haters, terrorists or murderers. This is no more valid than it would be for me to point to the much higher number of acts of violence (including murder), committed by pro-union activits, and to use those acts to say that all “left wingers” are haters, murders and terrorists.
You can keep repeating that assertion over and over again, goon, but I’ll keep calling you on it until you come up with a credible number — not something from a union-busting organization and not something that equates harassing phone calls with arson and bombing.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:19 amralph @275
I think that you just validated CFP,s point in that a few bad apples does not ruin the entire bushel.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:22 amwhen the entire barrel is on TV claiming that liberals are “unamerican”, “baby-killers”, etc, they are ALL bad apples
June 1st, 2009 at 11:25 amMuslim extremists are not called out enough by moderate muslims for their actions.
Christian extremists are not called out enough by moderate christians for their actions.
Jewish extremists are not called out enough by moderate jews for their actions.
What must take place for the moderates of any religion to police the radicals amongst their own? Apparently genocide isn’t enough as that has been done many times. A few murders isn’t going to change the attitude of christian extremists.
Religion is poison.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:30 amTommy@280
with that logic in mind then am I to assume that all union members are unamerican because they try to prevent me from living my American dream of starting my own company and being self employed? Yep Unions one big vat of bad apples.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:32 amwrong again, YOU are using a few bad apples to taint the whole barrel
there are not a lot of union people on tv everyday calling non-unionists “baby-killers”
your analogy fails
June 1st, 2009 at 11:34 amIf a fetus is a person, why aren’t there funerals for miscarriages?
June 1st, 2009 at 11:35 amWell, honestly, it’s a difficult point to argue against. I have no problem acknowledging that “a few bad apples” is not a solid reason to dismiss an entire organization. The problem with C4P’s point is he’s actually using this minor point of logic to derail the entire thread, as is his habit. The fact that he’s using bogus statistics to do so is par for the course.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:38 amhey chicken waffler, you terrorist-supporting holy rolling right wing coward, this is about right wing terrorism, not your overwhelming fear of brown people
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Guido the Benevolent Torturer Says:
I blame CNN. They have recently started using the term “Pro-Abortion” instead of “Pro-Choice”.
The term “Pro-Abortion” is hate speech. It angers the Christian Terrorists. It makes them commit murder.
Every time one of these Christian Terrorists kills someone it justifies our position. Because our position is privacy. I don’t know a single person who is “Pro Abortion”. I hate abortion as much as anyone,
But Christian Terrorists are not the ones who need to be in charge of ending abortion.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:29 am
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The person who murdered Tiller should be punished according to the law. Disagreement with a law doesn’t give one the right to harm, or to advocate violence against, others who are acting in accordance with that law. Christians, especially, should act within the law in seeking to stop an action that they believe is wrong.
That being said, the use of the term pro-choice is intended to remove your discomfort with the action. Remove the word abortion entirely and all you are advocating is a choice.
It makes you feel better to demonize those who are against abortion (the vast majority who will never harm or threaten anyone, not the few who act outside the law.) It makes you feel better to portray anti-abortion people as only wanting to keep women down. It’s not as easy to slam them if you acknowledge the fact that most anti-abortion people see abortion as the murder of a baby. Anti-abortion people don’t see your unborn child as a parasitic clump of cells (the equivalent of a tumor to some); they see it as a human child. To some, it’s not a child until it’s born. That’s fine; we are all entitled to our opinions. At least have the courage of your convictions and don’t misstate the views of others to make your stance more palatable to yourself.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:40 amchickenwaffler is just another right wing hypocrite redneck right wing holy rolling terrorist supporting coward
yes, i do “think much”
you should try it sometime
June 1st, 2009 at 11:40 amI do not see where I was wrong the first time. And I do not see anyone on TV calling for the murder of abortion doctors. Just people expressing their anti pro-choice views. and you are using a few bad apples to taint the whole bunch simply because you do not agree with their opinions. I disagree with religion and i am pro choice however I have many Catholic friends that are not bad and realize that they actually gain something from their religion. As I am sure that many people benefit from Unions However Unions have bad apples too and to blindly support them without recognizing their bad side is just as bad as ignoring radicalism or extremism in any group.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:42 amupright left:
just because some people have let their religious fantasies make them believe that a fetus is a child, does not make it true
holy rollers are suffering from a mental illness
religion is not real. those that think it is need help
people who think a fetus is a child are misguided, ignorant, and silly
they become dangerous when groups like operation regress actively push to exploit their delusions
June 1st, 2009 at 11:43 amchicken and waffles Says:
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Muslim extremists are not called out enough by moderate muslims for their actions.
aclu and progressives constantly defending them doesn’t do a whole lot of good either, does it?
Interesting that you plucked out the Muslim part of my post. Well, not really given that you believe right wing sites don’t delete posts they don’t agree with.
How about all the defending of the extremist Christians and Jews?
June 1st, 2009 at 11:45 amPro-lifers are terrorists? Are those of you that said this friggin wacko yourselves? Are any of your friends pro-life or do you really live in a liberal bubble? If you do have a pro-life friend, do you really believe this statement and would tell them this?
The killer was crazy. Period. It was the first murder in a DECADE of a doctor related to abortions. So the killer represents .01% of pro-life advocates and .00001% of Christians in the world, and you wackos from the left are calling them “terrorists”?
THOSE THAT REALLY BELIEVE THIS STATEMENT NEED SOME SANITY INJECTIONS OR TO STOP SMOKING YOUR OWN AIR.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:45 amso stag thinks it’s ok to paint all unionists with the same brush, but thinks we should ignore the bigots on TV calling all doctors that perform abortion “murderers” and “baby-killers”
how many unionists called you a murderer or baby-killer?
June 1st, 2009 at 11:46 amanyone delusional enough to think “god” is anything but fiction needs help
anyone that has let that delusion lead them to the conclusion that a fetus equals a baby needs extra help
June 1st, 2009 at 11:47 amyou can’t be anti-choice and pro-life at the same time
anti-choice people that call themselves ‘pro-life’ are liars
June 1st, 2009 at 11:50 ami see chickenwaffler is projecting again
what an ignorant little coward
June 1st, 2009 at 11:51 amExcept that no one is “pro-abortion”.
No one advocates MORE abortions.
Those in favor of abortion RIGHTS in fact DO advocate for choice. “Pro-choice” is a perfectly accurate descriptor of the position.
“Pro-abortion” is inaccurate and inflammatory.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:52 amStag does not paint with a broad brush(read my post at 293) I was simply point out the holes in your opinions with a little sarcasm. Unlike you I do not follow any group or organization blindly, supporting everything they say and do. you see, that would make me eerily similar to you or scott roeder.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:53 amYou’d have a better chance of being taken seriously if you didn’t misrepresent my position
But then you’d lose the argument
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wizard2000 Says:
Why do I get the feeling that Jesus Christ, who neither saved himself from his own physical death on the cross, nor saved any of his martyred disciples, would hardly be concerned about something called a fetus?
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Because you understand nothing about Christ or making a choice to sacrifice your own well being for the good of others. ;)
June 1st, 2009 at 11:54 ampreacher? my you are delusional
June 1st, 2009 at 11:55 amNO-ONE understands much about a man who probably didn’t exist, but even if he did, was not the virgin birth of a magic man in the sky
anyone that believes religion is real needs help as they are suffering from delusion
June 1st, 2009 at 11:55 amWell, he’s certainly chicken. And he’s a waffler.
But delusional?
Okay, yeah, I can see that.
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DNFP Says:
Unless you’ve been part of a couple who’s ACTUALLY been through an abortion, you might want to pipe-down a bit.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:29 am
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If you have to have aborted a child to have an opinion about abortion, do have to have been a victim of torture to have an opinion about torture?
June 1st, 2009 at 12:00 pmRantin’ Tommy says:so stag thinks it’s ok to paint all unionists with the same brush, but thinks we should ignore the bigots on TV calling all doctors that perform abortion “murderers” and “baby-killers”
That is misrepresenting my argument, not vice versa
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Spot on CFP, Try being a non union contractor in Northeast Ohio, better yet try crossing a picket line. I do not have the number of acts of violence committed by labor unions but I have personally witnessed several any heard of many more. None of which were reported to authorities. They vandalize your vehicle, destroy or steal your tools and find you in a local bar and physically assault you. As for his points of view @181 That is the demographic of a whole lot of people here in Ohio.
so you’re a frightened little pansy, just like CFP
grow a set, you coward
June 1st, 2009 at 10:00 am
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Certainly, based upon this comment, you must think that Tiller was “a frightened little pansy” a “coward” and needed to “grow a set” since he wore a bullet proof vest and hired body guards.
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wizard2000 Says:
Why do I get the feeling that Jesus Christ, who neither saved himself from his own physical death on the cross, nor saved any of his martyred disciples, would hardly be concerned about something called a fetus?
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Because you understand nothing about Christ or making a choice to sacrifice your own well being for the good of others. ;)
NO-ONE understands much about a man who probably didn’t exist, but even if he did, was not the virgin birth of a magic man in the sky
anyone that believes religion is real needs help as they are suffering from delusion
June 1st, 2009 at 11:55 am
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What are you doing to get rid of Obama, Biden, Clinton etc, since you think the leaders of our country are delusional?
June 1st, 2009 at 12:14 pmSure.
Of course, Tiller had already been shot, and was daily the victim of death threats, and he ended up getting shot to death… but sure, let’s call him a “frightened little pansy” if that works for you.
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Certainly, based upon this comment, you must think that Tiller was “a frightened little pansy” a “coward” and needed to “grow a set” since he wore a bullet proof vest and hired body guards.
Sure.
Of course, Tiller had already been shot, and was daily the victim of death threats, and he ended up getting shot to death… but sure, let’s call him a “frightened little pansy” if that works for you.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:15 pm
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I knew someone would claim that I called Tiller a coward, but didn’t expect it to be you, ralph. I was expecting it from RHF or deb. Of course, I didn’t call anyone anything. I just wondered if ranter thinks every victim of violence is a coward for taking precautions against future attacks, or if it’s only those who don’t agree with him who are cowards. ;)
June 1st, 2009 at 12:26 pmvoting
change comes slow when the delusions are deep
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RantingTommy Says:
voting
change comes slow when the delusions are deep
June 1st, 2009 at 12:26 pm
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Dang, you are one serious man of action! You are convinced that our country is led by a group of “delusional” “mentally ill” nuts and all you are going to do is wait four years to vote against them. Nice to know your country can depend upon you, bud. ;)
June 1st, 2009 at 12:31 pmHe thinks he the Queen of England?
June 1st, 2009 at 12:40 pmPerhaps, as a conservative, you might favor the kind of “action” that Scott Roeder took yesterday?
June 1st, 2009 at 12:43 pmI still wonder why all the resident dissenters are giving the Sanchez thread such wide berth….
June 1st, 2009 at 1:00 pmChicken and Waffles.
Whats the matter dont recognize Leviticus which is used by pro-lifers because the bible doesnt specifically mention abortion? Nor does it say at what point life begins [conception/birth]
Leviticus 24:17: “[The LORD said:] If anyone takes the life of a human being, he must be put to death.”
As for the rest of your posts, utter piddle, grow up.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:01 pmNonsense. Many christians have said this murderous act by Roeder is not a christian act.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:07 pmStagoculus doesn’t want to join a union but he wants to work at a union job. Yeah the burden of being a union member are so onerous I can see your point. At my business union members have to pay $68.50 a month in union dues, how horrendous. As an employers I pay $240/week in health insurance per employee and $99/week in pension benefits. And health benefits are available to all family members. I can see why you’d be against being a union member. /eyeroll
June 1st, 2009 at 1:07 pmYou people are morons. NOBODY is PROABORTION. We’d prefer there never had to be any abortions. That would be more likely if we were to offer prenatal care and to all mothers and healthcare for all citizens. In addition, abstinence only programs increased exponentially the amount of teenage pregnancies. And not all girls have a mother who is a governor and can convert her daughter’s promiscuity into a high paid job where she gets her picture on People Magazine. In addition, Bristol got government paid insurance through her mother. Most kids don’t get that.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:12 pmDr. Tiller performed late term abortions on women where something had gone wrong with the fetus and it was not viable. When there are no doctors to do this the other option is to induce labor. That takes about 36 hours with more pain than normal childbirth because nothing is “ripe” for delivery. That should only cost about $30k to accomplish.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:16 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says:Stagoculus doesn’t want to join a union but he wants to work at a union job.
Read my posts at 271 and 277. Why would I join a Union? It offers no benefit to me other than keeping a few Union thugs off of my back. If I were to join any Union then I would be contributing to extortion. I am not a factory worker or an employee of any tire manufacturer. I am a self employed independent contractor that offers services that are not available through the Union and I travel to all tire manufacturers in many locations. But none of this matters to Union THUGS.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:19 pmStagoculus
I don’t know where you’re from, but here, there are unions for laborers that have nothing whatsoever to do with a specific business, so where you travel means precisely dick. They are not corporation-specific, they are location specific, and they are not restricted to one location, but rather membership is based out of Local Union Halls.
You don’t have to join one, but if you are trying to say that the reason you haven’t joined one is because it’s not available to you, I call bullshit.
And you still ignore the point that all those places you travel to to do your independent contracting are in existance in the state they are in because of the unions, and therefore you DO directly benefit from them. It is not difficult to understand why a group of people don’t much care for those who don’t contribute to the group, but benefit from the effort of that group.
Again, not saying you have to join, or even should, and clearly you have had some negative experiences, but you really need to stop trying to claim that you have not benefitted from unions, because you have, and you need to stop trying to claim that you couldn’t join a union if you wanted to, because you can.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:41 pmThen I call bullshit on your whole post. Nobody bothers one guy showing up to perform a service that nobody on site does in the first place. You are lying.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:42 pmOh and Stagoculus, I’d bet a thousand bucks that you are one of those self employed contractors that carries no health insurance and so become a burden to all of us who spend a fortune on healthcare to cover slackers like you.
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RantingTommy Says:
voting
change comes slow when the delusions are deep
June 1st, 2009 at 12:26 pm
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Dang, you are one serious man of action! You are convinced that our country is led by a group of “delusional” “mentally ill” nuts and all you are going to do is wait four years to vote against them. Nice to know your country can depend upon you, bud. ;)
Perhaps, as a conservative, you might favor the kind of “action” that Scott Roeder took yesterday?
June 1st, 2009 at 12:43 pm
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Probably about as much as you as a liberal agree with a certain organization that advocated inappropriate relationships between adults and children. ;)
June 1st, 2009 at 3:05 pmNot really sure what you’re getting at here… but my point was obviously lost on you. Your sneering dismissal of the lawful course of action in changing the elected leadership of the nation led rather seamlessly to the assumption that more drastic action was to your liking. And what more drastic than what we saw yesterday in the lobby of a certain church in Kansas?
So what led you to assume I have some affinity for “a certain organization that advocated inappropriate relationships between adults and children”?
June 1st, 2009 at 3:15 pmHave never blogged online here before, but always stop by and read. As a Christian and mostly conservative leaning person I would just like to say that I was horrified to read about Tiller’s MURDER last night. Please… put away the broad brush.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:23 pmNo one that I know would even consider this a fitting way to deal with this man. I grieve for his family, for the family of the “Loon” who did this deed and last for the Nation. This will be an event that will change our world forever I fear.
Still in shock…
Thanks for your eloquent perspective, halqeye. We need to hear more from you and people like you, so that those who are capable of committing such acts can recognize that they are not in the mainstream of the Christian faith, and so that those who are prone to trash all believers on this forum can see that there are true Christians out there who live their faith and don’t just present a facade, don’t just use it to justify their own prejudices.
Thanks.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:29 pmThe argument that a fetus is not a baby is specious. Let’s suppose that, by means of caesarian, we remove a fetus from the womb. How do we honestly differentiate between the “fetus” that was just in the womb and the “infant” that has been just removed? The court weighed similar arguments and coined the phrase “viable fetus.” Viability was legally defined to mean capable of prolonged life outside the mother’s womb. Viability, then, has become the standard by which we arbitrarily distinguish between a fetus of some “worth” and one that is readily disposable, upon choice. It was, also, determined that the average fetus reaches the stage of viability at the end of the second trimester. In 1983, Sandra Day O’Conner rightly deduced that “improvements in technology would continually push the point of fetal viability closer to the beginning of the pregnancy.” At some point, in the very near future, it will be possible to fertilize a human egg and, then, sustain the resultant embryo/fetus outside of the womb. The term viable, then, would be a descriptor of all fertilized human eggs. How, then, does one justify the termination of the legally “viable” entity? This little exercise in logic is meant to make clear the most fundamental question in the abortion debate: Is human life sacred? If human life is determined to be “non-sacred” by our society, then I propose that we create children for the purpose of harvesting organs for transplant. Gee, why stop there? Let’s use them as research animals. Hell, why stop there? Let’s just fatten them up with human growth hormones and then harvest there cute little edible organs for consumption. Hmmmm…, You are going to love baby blood pudding. Heck, we can even use the umbilical chord for the sausage casing (Now that’s economy)! Now, who would like some delicious RvW fetal-blood wine? Thank God for atheism!
June 1st, 2009 at 3:37 pmI would think the fact that one is in the womb and the other is out of the womb would be a pretty big tip-off.
Ah, I see… it’s the “sci-fi future determines today’s legal parameters” argument. Excellent. We haven’t seen one of those around here for a long time.
And we move on to the “slippery slope” argument. A bona fide virtuoso of specious arguments, you are, my friend.
Tell you what — when the pro-choice lobby lines up behind baby farming for the purpose of harvesting organs, then you’ll have a valid point. Until then, you’re just hysterical.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:04 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
Tommy:
Why do you assume all so-called “right wingers” think alike?
There are so few of you, 12%? now, it is very easy to figure out.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:06 pmHaving spent some time in a NICU (neo natal intensive care unit) I have had a wrenching change of heart over the last few years. When standing in this unit and watching nurses care for and parents hold and love 23wk old babies (not fetus) it can truly change one’s heart. To know that in other circumstances these babies could be killed without thought is gut wrenching. To see the tiny fingers move and know that they fight for life with every breath is truly moving. In some cases, babies this small may have lifelong challenges but with improvements in Medicine more and more live a normal lifestyle. My heart goes out to every woman who is told, it really doesn’t matter. Go ahead and abort it. I cannot know the agony and the reasons that bring women to this point. But I do know that even with my own feelings I do not want, at this time to change the laws (I know that sounds kind of hypocritical). I just believe that when people could watch small babies like this it changes their hearts. When you hear the words PAPA and the footsteps running down the hall to you and think back a few short years ago when this wonderful, normal, beautiful, little blond girl was in one of those warming boxes.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:30 pmIt is easy to find fault with both sides of this battle but I do believe that as a nation we will someday be judged for how we treat our babies, our elderly, and for that matter our gays, and most of all, our Reverence to a Holy God.
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upright left Says:
Probably about as much as you as a liberal agree with a certain organization that advocated inappropriate relationships between adults and children. ;)
Not really sure what you’re getting at here… but my point was obviously lost on you. Your sneering dismissal of the lawful course of action in changing the elected leadership of the nation led rather seamlessly to the assumption that more drastic action was to your liking. And what more drastic than what we saw yesterday in the lobby of a certain church in Kansas?
So what led you to assume I have some affinity for “a certain organization that advocated inappropriate relationships between adults and children”?
June 1st, 2009 at 3:15 pm
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No, ralph, your point wasn’t lost at all. You didn’t appreciate my comments, so you chose to suggest that I approve of murder. I don’t believe that you have an affinity for that group any more than you believe that I approve of murdering a mentally ill president. You are aware, of course, that there is a legal way to remove a mentally ill president without waiting for the end of his term and I would expect anyone who truly believes that a president is mentally ill to push for removal. Maybe the ranter will get right on that.
It’s great to see that you can appreciate a comment from “a Christian and mostly conservative leaning person” without attacking him. We can all agree that the murder of Dr Tiller is deplorable.
June 1st, 2009 at 5:50 pmSurely there would be enough evidence for getting Bill O’Reilly and the Catholic Church on conspiracy charges for murder alone. Leaving out all the child rape cases around the world. Two of which were in my street. One already settled out of court for a massive payout of well over a million dollars. (They were sisters). So why so slow with the conspiracy charges?
June 1st, 2009 at 6:14 pmPanther 47
June 1st, 2009 at 6:28 pmwhat evidence is there for comspiracy charges? The murderer of Tiller is a criminal for sure. But everyone still has the right to their opinion and unless there is evidence that the killer and Bill O’Reilly actually planned this murder it would not reach the high bar of evidence. You do not know if this man even watched Bill O’Reilly. Please do not let your hatred of someone you disagree with push your argument to this level.
I fear that the backlash of this crime will be horrific. Strange though I am not seeing any reporting of the gunning down of two Army Combat Vets outside a recruiting office possibly by antiwar protesters today. Would this not be along the same lines just on the opposite side of the fence?
Bill O’Reilly’s TV interviews are plenty of evidence. Also the churches continually calling for the punishment of abortionist’s. To me on the surface the seems to be plenty of evidence.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:32 pmJust have to tie it together in a case. It only takes two for a conspiracy. It is up to the courts to decide.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:33 pmFirst I may have to “OOPS” on the recruiting office story. When I went back to read it again it has been taken down. Will check again later.
I listen to O’Reilly from time to time. Have heard him talk about Tiller several times. Never…Never…Never have I heard O’Reilly call for violence against Tiller, or anyone else for that matter. If by asking that he be investigated for possible law violations you are saying that he incited someone to violent behavior, then many had better be praying that no one very commits a violent crime against G. W. Bush.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:37 pmAs for Churches calling for punishment against abortionists, let me say that as an Elder in my Church, I would stand up and demand anyone saying such or for that matter being political in any way, from the pulpit step down. I have never witnessed any such activity nor have I ever heard of any except for certain Dems whom always seem to be invited to speak without any fear of backlash. It always puzzles me that everyone who speaks of this happening usually is not aware of the real workings in most mainline evangelical churches. Yes there may be fringe
June 1st, 2009 at 6:43 pmchurches that I am sure teach this but it is far from mainstream. But also note that fringe teachings can come from both sides of the isle as in Rev. Wright for example
This certainly smells like conspiracy to me.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/how-i-and-other-pro-life_b_209747.html
June 1st, 2009 at 6:55 pmEven if Frank Schaeffer feels culpable in the murder of Tiller, it still does not rise to the level of conspiracy. Saying it does over and over does not change that. If calling someone a murderer means that if someone kills that person you are also guilty, then many people on the left should be worried. Again shouting out isms just like you say the right is doing does not make them true.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:06 pmralph the wonder locust says:
So… you concede, then, that the only difference between the two is their location? If, so, are you willing to concede that there is no difference between taking the life of an unborn baby and the life of one who has already entered into the world?
ralph the wonder locust says:
At the time of Roe versus wade, it was unthinkable that a baby could survive outside the womb at just 22 weeks of age. Any practicing physician, at that time, would have described such a possibility as in the realm of “Sci-fi Future. Yet, in 2007, it has became a reality. Sandra Day O’Conner’s concern has proven to be a valid one. However, I noticed that you tactfully avoided the obvious implication of her stated concern!
ralph the wonder locust says:
Past and present human behavior is often an indicator of future human behavior… wouldn’t you agree? In countries where a concern for the “sanctity of life” has no bearing on human behavior, the harvesting of human organs from unwilling subjects has already been documented (Google: “harvesting human organs”). In the case of China, the State has given its tacit approval of such practices. In the United States we have engaged in the routine practice of killing human embryos in order to extract their stem cells for research purposes, exclusively. The scientific means for farming human embryos was established in 2001 (Google: Therapeutic Cloning). The Bush administration was so concerned with the prospect of fetal farming that they passed “Fetus Farming Prohibition Act of 2006.” The Obama administration seems intent on overturning the legal obstacles to fetal farming http://www.lifenews.com/bio2851.html. Now, where do you think that the pro-choice lobby will line up on the issue of therapeutic cloning? Specious argument? I think not. History is replete with evidence which demonstrates that wherever there is a fundamental disregard for the sanctity of human life, gross violations of human dignity occur; whether they are in communist China or the US of A. Hysterical? If speaking out in defense of human dignity is hysterical then, I wear your brand proudly
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June 2nd, 2009 at 9:44 amI was going to read through all these comments but decided not to, I’m sure many present logical arguments that point out the hypocrisy and insanity of radical pro-lifers. The reason I won’t is because nothing I say will affect or influence people who subtly or directly incite hatred and violence to such a degree that someone is murdered as a result.
There is no reasoning with zealots or terrorists, there is no compromising, no common ground and no reason to hope that killers like Roeder or their cheerleaders like Operation Rescue will ever change thier ways. Insanity has a logic of it’s own that cannot be penetrated with reason and common sense.
These thugs have declared war on the American people and we would be well advised to declare war on them. Anyone who incites or encourages violence should be tried in a court of law. Miscreants like Operation Rescue should be held directly responsible and charged with terrorism under the RICO Act, their oganization gutted and their leaders imprisoned. These are violent, dangerous people who commit murder and, as such, have no rights other than the right to trial.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:47 amIn my experience, the “pro-life” movement is anything BUT pro-life, and are simply anti-abortion. Most of what the people I’ve met who are against abortion subscribe to could be described as pro-death. This situation is a perfect example of the bloody mindset these people harbor. The frightening thing is that these people are so blinded by their fanaticism they aren’t able to think reasonably about their beliefs. This is why fundamentalism can be so very dangerous.
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:36 pmWhat I find amusing is that Liberals, especiallu in these posts, can say whatever they want and get away with it yet if I make a valid point, my post gets removed. That sure is conveinent! Now back to the matter at hand…
Again more lies and Propaganda. If anyone is to blame for promoting hate and murder, it is you left wing liberals nuts that were so glad that you had a reason to further your cause, that you don’t even care how much you exploit this Doctor’s death by running it in the news every second of every day and you will continue this for months preaching your hatred of conservatives and BLAMING them for EVERYTHING! No one encouraged the murder of this doctor. No one encouraged the Murder of an innocent Soldier in Arkansas by a Muslim Terrorist but Liberals do put Terrorists first, being the Terrorist-Sympathizers that they innately are. Why the criminal was released in the first place when he was captured in ‘05 with all kinds of weapons and a Sawed-off shotgun whoch is a felony, is amazing!. How could a guy like this, get felony charges dropped so easily? It wasn’t a conservative that got him off and these Liberal laws that liberals have passed over the decades give more rights to the Criminals than the victims! This murder of the Soldier in Arkansas was by a black Muslim and it should have been avoided because he should have been behind bars but NO! Liberals and their Criminal-Sympathetic BS get all these types of criminals off. Liberal created laws and a Liberal Prosecutor, Defense Lawyer and Judge got this Terrorist off and he was then permitted to Kill a US Soldier in broad daylight. That is fact. Not some BS made up propaganda made up like this BS that conservatives got this Abortion Doc killed. You liberals kill “life to be” and then spend money to save rhodents and any other creatures you think are cute. Get a conscience. You liberals don’t care about woman, children or humane rights unless you have something to gain politically from it. Otherwise, you would be glad people aren’t being tortured nor women and children being murdered and shunned into a life of bare existence since Saddam’s was taken out. You don’t seem to care about those people that the War has helped liberate and live yet you claim you care about tehse things when politically advantageous. I guess because you can only gain politically by mentioning Americans struggles in the War but not ANY progress that came out of it. Disgraceful unconscionable people you Liberals are.
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I couldn’t agree more with comment # 355. The liberal way of thinking is what will lead us to destruction. If you do not preserve what is most precious “Life”, and the Love of your neighbor, what else is there for Humans to live for? Our right to live is the most fundamental of rights, but this right is taken away from the unborn children. Pro choicers don’t care about women, because if they did, they would be aware of the numerous studies that have been done on the profound psychological impacts on women that have undergone an abortion. They neither care for children, if they did, their conscience would echo what Christ himself said, “Let the children come to me, it is for such as these that the kingdom of my father belongs to.” The ones that support or perform abortions should repent for their GRAVE sins. The Eternal Judge is watching…
June 5th, 2009 at 12:23 pmHey Kevin. I just saw the YouTube video about web 3.0 and I have had this idea about our future economy.
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