Cheney: Iraq war ’saved lives.’
Cheney: Iraq war ’saved lives.’
Speaking this afternoon at the National Press Club, Cheney vigorously defended the Bush administration’s national security policies, including the decision to go to war in Iraq, which he rhetorically linked to 9/11 over and over. He also declared that the Iraq war “saved lives”:
CHENEY: The problem we were faced with in the aftermath of 9/11 was the possibility of another 9/11-style attack, only with much deadlier technology, a 9/11 with nukes or biological agents of some kind. That concern drove a lot of our thinking in that period, in those months after 9/11. … I think it was a sound decision to make. I think it was an important part of our overall strategy in the Global War on Terror. I think it saved lives.
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Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction. He had no links to al Qaeda. And the Iraq war has resulted in the deaths of more than 4,300 American soldiers and roughly 100,000 Iraqis.
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Saved HIS life.
And how, I don’t know.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:01 pmSaved lives, but more importantly, gave billions to Haliburton.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:01 pmSomeone get a fire extinguisher going on that man’s pants!
June 1st, 2009 at 6:02 pmWhose lives?
June 1st, 2009 at 6:03 pmright.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:03 pmand driving drunk saves lives too, i suppose.
Not lying us into a war probably would have saved even more lives.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:04 pmOh, right, brown people don’t have lives…my bad.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:04 pmif cheney had fallen down a flight of stairs and died as a child it would have saved many lives
June 1st, 2009 at 6:05 pmI’m still working on the idea that the next attack was going to be nuclear or biological and that it was imminent. Almost 8 years, lotsa war, lotsa torture, lotsa fear and…whoops, no sign of attack or the capability thereof.
Since the North Koreans have been playing with A-bombs does this mean the whole terrorist thing is going to shift from brown to yellow now?
June 1st, 2009 at 6:05 pmThat’s Team B in a nut-shell—we were threatened by the possibility. They have think tanks dedicated to thinking of possibilities to be threatened by.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:05 pmHe is desperately revising history, trying to sway public opinion in his favor, hoping to keep himself and his family name out of the historic annals of war criminals.
I hope he fails. I want him to suffer the humiliation and indignity of a war trial, and I want to see him found guilty. Obama can spare him the death penalty, and Cheney can die in prison.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:06 pmAnd a loaded gun is a surefire cure for depression!
Cheney should take the W approach and just hope someone named Jesus eventually completes the time paradox and includes Iraq on the “to do” list.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:07 pmMerdad is a fraud and a loser….
June 1st, 2009 at 6:07 pmNo Dick, it just made billions for war profiteers like the company you used to run immediately before taking over the government.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:07 pmThey had their sights on ousting Hussein from the beginning — check back to the first week of press conferences with Ari; he’s already talking about the need to get rid of Iraq’s leader.
9/11 became a convenient source of fear-mongering.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:09 pmWe can solve this whole problem by loading a muke into a B52 and send it somewhere. Then Dickie can strap on his spurs and ride the bad boy down. Shades of Dr. Strangelove.
Of course, we don’t have to tell him it is a training dud beforehand.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:09 pmor loading a nuke. Sheesh.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:10 pmIn your opinion should Jeffboste be beaten around the head and neck with a broken bottle…
June 1st, 2009 at 6:11 pmAll i see is thousands of dead people that cheeney killed indirectly, through edict.
Maybe Cheney would like to parade out these people he saved? Let’s have a look.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:11 pmOHMYGOODNESS! The Iraq war saved lives!? That’s it. I’m all for taping Cheney to a wheelchair and pushing his a$$ down a flight of stairs. I’ve had it with this rat bastiddd!
June 1st, 2009 at 6:12 pmflag the spammer jeff, we don’t care about your silly blog or your polls
June 1st, 2009 at 6:13 pmUm, the Iraqi death toll is off by about a million.
I guess you save lives by using bad data.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:13 pmI know there is a wide array of opnions as to whether the attacks on September 11th were an inside job. Frankly, as much as I would love to see an investigation, I don’t believe that if there were to be one that it would be anything that we would really like to have. Dog and pony show at best.
However, how can there be evidence that something happening prevents a hypothetical from happening? I’m trying to make this in a logical statement.
My car was stolen. So, extra security was placed in the neighborhood in the next county. My car was not stolen again. But I have no car, and the cars in that county that is being guarded have no less stolen cars.
I know this makes minimal sense, but neither does Cheney’s argument.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:13 pmSaved political lives, killed about a million actual humans.
Just to clarify.
Dick!
PEACE
June 1st, 2009 at 6:16 pmDoes he mean the kind of savings you get when you spend $100 to get $10 off?
June 1st, 2009 at 6:17 pmUHHHHHHH 100,000 dead Iraqis….. Please guys, I know you guys know better then that. try a MILLION DEAD IRAQIS
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/1-over-one-million-iraqi-deaths-caused-by-us-occupation/
June 1st, 2009 at 6:17 pmAccording to Dick’s logic with another horrible attack just waiting to happen, they didn’t save lives, they just postponed the reckoning.
If their tactics had actually worked and ’saved lives’, Dickeybird wouldn’t still be out there because he had already made America safe.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:18 pmWhen I try to re-read some of my comments, I feel like I’m trying to read a trolls ramblings…I’ll revert to spectator now.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:19 pmSo where does the Dick Cheney Revisionist History Tour land tomorrow? Dick sure is packing in those appearances these days!
June 1st, 2009 at 6:19 pmSaddam was not killing Iraqis when I went in in 2003. Therefore, if we had not gone in, more Iraqis would be alive today. Also, Iraq was in no way a threat to us. So, if we had not gone into Iraq, more Americans, British, Australians, and Italians (to name a few) would be alive today. Operation Iraqi Freedom did not save lives. It cost them.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:20 pmouthouse, you are a liar
Clinton warned them and they ignored it
Cheney LET the WTC get attacked so he could scare the cowards into supporting his agenda
he is a terrorist and he terrorizes little pansies like you
June 1st, 2009 at 6:21 pmJohnintexas Says:
10 . . . that’s right . . . you strive to avoid possibilities . . . unlike Clinton who did absolutely nothing and gave us the certainty of 3,000 dead Americans on Sep 11 . . .
Like leave behind a man who had his finger on the trigger? Like pass on lots of intel, reinforced by a person who attempted to make the new administration aware?
Sorry, buddy, Clinton handed the ball off very well. Too bad the new administration was more interested in vacations.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:23 pmkeep quivering in fear so you don’t notice them picking your pocket
why are you such a pussy?
June 1st, 2009 at 6:24 pmThere is a real enemy out there who has not quit and until he does quit, we can’t afford to.
Too bad it is our own country’s government.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:26 pmJohnintexas Says:
There is a real enemy out there who has not quit and until he does quit, we can’t afford to.
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Yes, there is a real enemy out there. The same enemy that Bush ran from when he decided to invade Iraq. Fortunately though, Obama is sending more troops to Afghanistan. Bush closed our airbases in Uzbekistan, Pakistan, and Kyrgyzstan, though, so it will be very difficult to get supplies to those troops now.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:26 pmJohnintexas Says:
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10 . . . that’s right . . . you strive to avoid possibilities . . . unlike Clinton who did absolutely nothing and gave us the certainty of 3,000 dead Americans on Sep 11 . . .
What the…? Clinton was not in office when the 9/11 attacks occurred. Bush/Cheney had plenty of time to do something to prevent the attacks – they’re the ones who did absolutely nothing. Perhaps if Bush wasn’t vacationing. Or reading My Pet Goat! Please tell me you’re not that stupid.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:26 pmJohnintexas:
June 1st, 2009 at 6:26 pmI think your thoughtful insightts might be really helping down at the Sanchez thread…
The Iraq war saved Republican seats during the 2002 and 2004 elections, nothing more.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:26 pmWhy is he calling the Iraqi Freedom Operation a War?
June 1st, 2009 at 6:27 pmright wingers depend on the cowardice of their base because their base will support anything if you tell them it’s the only thing that will keep them safe
toiletintexas(outhouse) is the perfect type of sissy to fall for their fear mongering
June 1st, 2009 at 6:27 pmFDR was close.
“We have nothing to fear but the fear within.”
June 1st, 2009 at 6:28 pmOK johnintexas, maybe you’re not stupid, just scared out of your mind.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:29 pmReagan called them freedom fighters…
June 1st, 2009 at 6:29 pmReagan also called ketchup a vegetable
he wasn’t very bright
June 1st, 2009 at 6:30 pmThere is a real enemy out there who has not quit and until he does quit, we can’t afford to.
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June 1st, 2009 at 6:31 pmJesus this one dude must be like a super dude…
John In Texas, the people who wanted to go into Iraq wanted to do so long before 911 occurred. The ne-cons, they wanted Bush Sr. to go into Baghdad, but Scowcroft and Bush Sr thought better. PNAC sent letters to Clinton urging him to go into Iraq before 911.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:32 pmHere’s an insider’s view of the administration’s manipulation of intelligence to portray Saddam Hussein as a threat to the U.S.
link
June 1st, 2009 at 6:33 pmOperation Iraq Liberation? Have they no shame? (rhetorical question)
June 1st, 2009 at 6:34 pmdbadass Says:
There is a real enemy out there who has not quit and until he does quit, we can’t afford to.
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Jesus this one dude must be like a super dude...
Its just Dick Cheney. He just likes to think he’s Voldemort.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:34 pmThe worst part about this is that he may actually believe that.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:34 pmCan’t you all see? 9/11 deeply traumatized Cheney. That’s why he’s trying to wrap himself in 9/11 victims’ PTSD. Now that he’s sucked all the meaning from the term patriotism, and left it a hollow, politically worthless shell, he’s moved on to harvest any residual feeling of compassion for those who lost family or friends on 9/11, and wallow in it.
A true ghoul.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:36 pmJohn, the war in Iraq has strengthened the ties with Iran, not weakened them.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:38 pmBoy, you guys are right.
johnintexas IS terrified.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:38 pmwhatever it is, it would have been worse.
Yeah. Like their leaders heavily influenced … by the same Iranians who likely would have backed Shiite strongmen?
Big difference, eh?
June 1st, 2009 at 6:38 pmWhy would Corporate Media in the US censor the Lancet Study which puts the civilian deaths at 1.3 million Iraqis? If this respected organization is right, this is genocide and needs to be addressed as a war crime, ASAP. Americans who stay quiet while this goes on in our name are complicit to this great evil.
Cheney is beneath contempt, he needs to STFU!
June 1st, 2009 at 6:40 pmYes, we cared so deeply about the Iraqis at the hands of Saddam Hussein that we killed them.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:40 pmCheney is a lying murderer.
The Afghanistan war saved lives.
Capturing Osama bin Laden WOULD have saved lives.
Cheney and the conservative agenda of power and greed have destroyed everything.
“Dick Cheney is “mean” enough to wish a new attack on the US for “political gain.”
June 1st, 2009 at 6:40 pmhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/23/ed-schultzcheney-wants-th_n_190703.html
Johnintexas Says: Crap. Just who appointed the US as the ultimate arbiter of decency? Since we have shown we are willing to use techniques outlawed by civilized nations, imprisoned, tortured, manipulated for economic gain, just what makes us so much different from Saddam?
And by the way, who set Saddam up in his rise to power?
June 1st, 2009 at 6:41 pmJohnintexas Says:
June 1st, 2009 at 6:35 pm
I guess you wouldn’t see the irony in taking wiley to task at #10 for “possibilities,” and then you make a list of “possibilities.”
You trolls debunk yourselves.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:43 pmI get disheartened when I see people continue to push the False Choice Argument on the invasion of Iraq – that we had to invade and remove Saddam from power or else we would have been attacked by terrorists. Those were not the only two possible scenarios.
Every reason they gave that was a justification for war turned out not to be true. Every reason they gave that turned out to be true was not a justification for war.
We have to stop letting the right wing frame this as an issue of “How long do our troops need to win the war?” The question should be “How long will we leave our troops there after invading them illegally and unnecessarily?”
June 1st, 2009 at 6:44 pmAll of this reference to (and torture justification based on) 9-11 is just fu[king begging for a real investigation.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:44 pmEspecially when you mix in the attempt to tie Iraq to AQ and the non-existent wmds that were KNOWN to be a fantasy.
Jeebus, the U.S. won’t do what is mandatory, please, some other country take control of this sh|t-storm and make these murderers pay.
Saved lives? Sure, and just think of how many more would have been saved had we not entered an illegal war. And if you don’t count the thousands of Iraqui citizens who have died, and the nearly five thousand of our military, and the more then 50,000 of our military that have been seriously injured for life. I guess the lives saved depends on that old saying of just whose ox has been gored.
Easy to say for a man who has never fought in a war, thanks to five deferments. A man capable of sending the sons and daughters of others to war, while he has sacrificed nothing. This man of little conscience and the ability of such a man to be off hand and glib regarding all the death and destruction based on a LIE. Immoral bastard.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:45 pm4) It is a certanty that in the turmoil surrounding Saddam’s death, Iran would have sent its troops into Iraq and so possibly would have Syria. Instead of fighting Al Qaeda & Co we would have been fighting nations and possibly have seen Israel pulled into the conflict.
False conclusion: it is not a certainty that Iran would have intervened, given the fact we were still maintaining the no-fly zone, and had troops nearby who could stop Iranian incursions. We also had UN Security Counsel support for our actions, which would have surely give the Iranians pause, had they considered causing mischief inside Iraq.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:45 pmDick, its all an illusion. Channeling Herman Goebbels in hell is not saving lives.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:45 pmFlag the racist Texas John.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:48 pmQuit giving this A$$HOLE a platform. MAKE him irrelevant by NOT covering his lies. I would say let him keep on talking if they were to prosecute (WE ALL KNOW THEY ARE NOT GOING TO) but since we are not, et’s show his old worn-out, lying ass out the door.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:48 pmJohnintexas may be exhibiting the dysfunction of those who believed the WMD lie so deeply that when it became apparent that not only were there NO WMDs but also that we were all lied to by the whole bunch of them (chiefly the big Dick though of course) that they had to come up with other justifications for the invasion of Iraq to help them keep their sanity.
Because if we DID invade Iraq for no good reason…well that’s a lot of damage done for nothing and not everyone can deal with that or deal with the reality that our ‘leaders’ lied to us and manipulated us towards their own ends, whether to make money (Cheney) or to go down in history as a War President (Bush) or whatever reason it was that they lied to us.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:48 pmskarecro Says:
June 1st, 2009 at 6:48 pm
I see where you’re coming from, skarecro, but sunlight is the best disinfectant.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:48 pmperhaps he can explain why Saddam’s own generals thought he had WMDs until about a week into the war.
As he was inspecting the armaments for repelling the invaders; sling shots, and bows, if I remember correctly.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:49 pmI think the 4,000 dead Americans and the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis would disagree Dick…
June 1st, 2009 at 6:49 pmJohnintexas Says:
Anyway . . . Lancet Study . . . it gets no air time because it is widely discounted as typical liberal, anti-war garbage with questionable methodology.
Do you know how many civilians have died in Iraq since the invasion?
June 1st, 2009 at 6:49 pm72
June 1st, 2009 at 6:50 pmI can’t do that Zooey but others can…
Johnintexas:
June 1st, 2009 at 6:51 pmSeriously can I welcome to come to the Sanchez thread. For some reason it has experienced a complete lack of opposing viewpoints however odd they might be. I wonder why that is…
dbadass Says:
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I can’t do that Zooey but others can…
June 1st, 2009 at 6:50 pm
You can, you just won’t. :P
June 1st, 2009 at 6:52 pmActually shadowboxer, I understood your point about the stolen car.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:54 pmDick’s working that “9/11 trama” schtick, now that the torture connection has been made.
He really didn’t want to do those things, but he was scared, and tramatized from 9/11, so he pushed for torture of prisoners. Wouldn’t you, in his situation? I mean, let’s be fair…
June 1st, 2009 at 6:54 pm#16 a little too convenient.
thanks! – pnac
June 1st, 2009 at 6:54 pmIran and Iraq are pretty close to hereditary enemies. So Iran runs the Shah out, embarrasses the hell out of the US with the whole hostage thing and then watches as the US supports Iraq and Saddam.
Then when we turn on him and invade his country and stand by while he is executed, they are going to do anything other than make us look even more two faced?
America really needs to understand the Middle Eastern mentality a whole lot better. Iran is laughing and tweaking our nose. They don’t have to invest a single Iranian life to help us lose in Iraq. We have that covered pretty well.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:56 pmIt’s like Rachel says, scrub rinse repeat… the repeat part is what is keeping us from moving forward. We need to force this move somehow and get on with things. Life is too damn short!
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Zooey Says:
I see where you’re coming from, skarecro, but sunlight is the best disinfectant.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:56 pmTex has been flagged but it’s amusing to read him. He prolly still thinks there were wmd’s too……
June 1st, 2009 at 6:56 pmMerdad:
June 1st, 2009 at 6:57 pmWhen you arrive see that I have already faced you again. You can’t keep up…
2) Had the US not intervened and taken Iraq, we have no idea who would have replaced Saddam
We helped “install” him, therefore, we were in the right to “take him out”, isn’t that the underlying logic?
Looks like someone doesn’t put much faith in their country’s “shadow government”.
Interesting, I thought you’d be their biggest cheerleader.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:58 pmHe was…. until he got caught.
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#89 DNFP Says:
Interesting, I thought you’d be their biggest cheerleader.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:00 pmJohnintexas
June 1st, 2009 at 7:02 pmSo if you are so knowledgable about such topics I again would encourage you to comment upon Sanchez’s thoughts….
The US had no choice in going to war.
Nope and it had nothing to do with anything a backwater despot had in mind. Did he plan to use taxis for the invasion of the US?
Bonehead.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:02 pmI’ll never understand why anyone would believe anything that “Dick Cheney the Anti-Christ” says. Cheney would murder six million, innocent, Arab/Muslim men, women, and children if he could.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:05 pmJohnintexas
Here is a sample
“The General described the failures at all levels of civilian and military command that led to the abuses in Iraq, “and that is why I support the formation of a truth commission.”
The General went on to say that, “during my time in Iraq there was not one instance of actionable intelligence that came out of these interrogation techniques.”
I interviewed General Sanchez after the event and asked him to elaborate on why he felt the US needed such a commission. … “If we do not find out what happened,” continued the General, “then we are doomed to repeat it.”
June 1st, 2009 at 7:06 pmJohnintexas Says:
But the major point is that the Republican Guard and Shiite were loose cannons . . . and the intent of the surrounding players was unknown.
The US had no choice in going to war.
Another in a long list of explanations for the invasion.
And, like the others, completely bogus.
Cheney and his neocon cohorts used 9/11 as an excuse for an invasion they had planned long before they took office. None of it had anything to do with dubious claims about the Republican Guard or “what will happen when Saddam dies?”
For this crowd to have planned an invasion because they were worried about the rise of the Shi’ites would first mean they’d have to understand there was a difference — which they patently did not understand.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:07 pmWhen you’re a Republic Fascist, truth is irrelevant. It’s all about saying something over and over again, so that people become distracted and start to believe you.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:08 pmchicken and waffles Says:
Well, I guess we should have just ignored hussein like obama is ignoring the pot bellied pig of nk.
Saddam was bottled up and no threat to anyone, certainly no threat to the US. The scaredy cats, of course, think he was heading over here on his magic carpet. . .
June 1st, 2009 at 7:09 pmJohnintexas Says:
The US had no choice in going to war.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:00 pm
There is always a choice, and George W. Bush made the wrong choice.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:10 pmOr could it be the fact that we brought 90% of the worlds military might to bear against a country with .005% of the worlds military might?
Of course we won, no one ever doubted that. What was truly surprising was that it went on for 6 long years after the invasion…….profits ya know.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:11 pmMerdad is attempting to play the ignore game. Won’t be long now….
June 1st, 2009 at 7:12 pmAnd we have before us the evidence that you and your kind don’t know anything about the middle east…….in fact, I don’t think you know much about anything…..loosen your bowtie, your face is getting red.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:13 pmMerdad you pussy where have you been. I have been pwning you everywhere….
June 1st, 2009 at 7:13 pmOk- as u guys see- i am back- anybody knows the answer to my questions.. how many women, men, and lord lovers Fiedl the pinky have killed during his worthless ruling the great people of Cuba? Why the libs in USA loves him so much? Why the Back Caucus dems are in bed with Fidel and just visited him? if you give the answer, u no picky lib???
Dont know, dont care, dont care.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:13 pmNo, we can’t answer why you are piss ignorant. It is a mystery.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:15 pmShould we just invade NK chk n’sht n’ waffles??
June 1st, 2009 at 7:15 pmWith what army, the one in Iraq or the one in Afghanistan? Simple minded people like you think the US can impose our will on anybody anywhere anytime, even though post world war II history would rebuke that myth. What a simple world you and numbnuts from Texas live in that all we need to do to solve every problem in the world is to bomb the sht out of something. Grow up moron, unfortunetly for you the world is too complex.
I just love it when a troll who can’t even write coherent English tries to take some sort of high ground on an English speaking blog.
Especially when they claim 5 years of fighting something and they still don’t understand it.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:17 pmJohnintexas Says:
This is why we were able to win so quickly and decisively . .
What’s the date we won in Iraq? I’d like to mark it on my calendar — now that none of our troops are dying there anymore.
This is why Secretary Rumsfeld and the President were giddy at the magnitude of the victory.
Uh huh…it wasn’t because they were making so much money for themselves and their friends.
But the major point is that the Republican Guard and Shiite were loose cannons . . . and the intent of the surrounding players was unknown.
The Bush administration was a loose cannon, so I guess you wouldn’t have minded if another country had invaded us during that administration.
You are the biggest f ucking sheep.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:18 pmPerhaps he could explain to us how invading Iraq saved lives. They were no threat to us. What they did was get 4,500 American soldiers killed and then there are the million or so Iraqi’s they got killed.
There’s a special place in hell reserved for Cheney and his cohorts.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:18 pmMerdad: I will f uck with you relentless just becuase you suck so bad. I could care less that you are a socially alienated misfit that comes here to disrupt in a f ucked up attempt to gain attention in hopes of making your pitiful real world life seems meaningful. I will eat you up and not feel bad in the least…
June 1st, 2009 at 7:18 pmchicken Says: I think I swallowed my gum mommy.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:18 pmFirst of all, how is this a response to Zooey’s point?
Second of all, what IS your point? Has Obama radically changed the direction of the conflict that would make him somehow responsible for any increase in casualties in a war started six years ago by his predecessor?
June 1st, 2009 at 7:19 pmMerdad = Santo
June 1st, 2009 at 7:19 pmWhy…why…why do you folks even answer the brain dead troll Merdad. All you are doing is giving it what it wants, attention.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:20 pmThe date from Mission Acomplished is around 2,225.
And Americans and Iraqis are still dying.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:20 pmTypical, bombs away. Except in the meantime the DMZ would be turned into a smoking crater and thousands of American troops would be dead.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:20 pmchicken and waffles Says:
Cheney and his neocon cohorts used 9/11 as an excuse for an invasion they had planned long before they took office.
Is that what olbermann is saying, now?
No, that’s what people with an IQ out of room temperature range know and say. I guess that leaves you out.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:22 pm“He’s two — two — two trolls in one!
He’s chicken… AND he waffles!”
June 1st, 2009 at 7:22 pmDick Cheney is delusional. He needs to be committed to a mental hospital.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:22 pmchicken and waffles Says:
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afghanistan?
What about it? It’s one of two wars started by Bush/Cheney that they couldn’t finish.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:23 pmOh don’t go Merdad. I am not doing reminding you of you sorry ass life and complete lack of social graces…
June 1st, 2009 at 7:23 pmWaffles are better than faux sh*t.
Not by much.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:24 pmCheney is still Mr. Lying Sack of Crap, I see.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:25 pmI would be amused by Merdad’s made of 5 years of fighting Saddam but as we all know Merdad is not real. Merdad is a piss poor made up identity by a weak loser struggle in a world which has turned its back on Merdad…
June 1st, 2009 at 7:25 pmchicken and waffles Says:
– And Americans and Iraqis are still dying.
Take it up with obama
Why, did Obama invaded Iraq in order to kill Saddam Hussein thus sending the country into political chaos? No, I think some other President did that…
June 1st, 2009 at 7:26 pmTP needs to deal with this troll infestation.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:27 pmchicken and waffles Says:
And Americans and Iraqis are still dying.
Take it up with obama
Have been, intend to continue doing so and am hoping he might listen.
More of a chance than I had with the Shrub since I don’t speak goat.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:27 pmBill Clinton kept America safe from February 1993 to January 2001. Then George Bush & Dick Cheney came to office. The largest attack on our nation happened under them, the anthrax attack happened, the biggest financial mess/collapse happened under them, and under them our country lost it’s standing in the world. We were not safe and if we get attacked again, we know who to blame: THE BUSH/CHENEY OIL CARTEL!
June 1st, 2009 at 7:27 pmchicken and waffles Says:
afghanistan?
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no thanks.
:)
June 1st, 2009 at 7:27 pm“He kept us safe for seven years”
blah blah blah, Too bad Cheney and his incompetent puppet Bush didn’t keep anybody safe when it counted, like on 9/11.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:27 pm“I fell off of a hundred foot cliff, the first 99 feet I was safe.”
Dick Cheney like Rush Limbaugh had over 5 deferments during the Vietnam War! What a couple of right wing American Taliban woosies they were and still are!
June 1st, 2009 at 7:28 pmI own you Merdad and I will mess with you at will… Grow up and turn the tv off loser…
June 1st, 2009 at 7:29 pm“THANKS TO GEORGE BUSH THE NEXT 9/11 ATTACK WON’T BE A SURPRISE”
(protest sign at the Kennebunkport, Maine protest against George Bush & Vladamir Putin summer of 2007)
June 1st, 2009 at 7:29 pmThe US had no choice in going to war.
War is always a choice. In this case it was the wrong one. Had he gone after Bin Laden like he was supposed to, I’m sure we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
I’m really sick of these chickenhawks acting like they know what’s best for the military and its actions. They have no concept of what it is like to serve. They demonstrate their cowardice by deferring the draft (for example) and then cheering on war, knowing they aren’t the ones who will be dying. Cowards… all of them.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:30 pmWho was the Pres. on 9/11 dipsht??
June 1st, 2009 at 7:30 pmHe kept America safe too! Isn’t that neat, Dumb Dumb Neocon Neck Drooler?
June 1st, 2009 at 7:30 pmfrom informationclearinghouse:
In Cairo, on February 24 2001, Powell said: “He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbours.”
This is the very opposite of what Bush and Blair said in public.
Powell even boasted that it was the US policy of “containment” that had effectively disarmed the Iraqi dictator – again the very opposite of what Blair said time and again. On May 15 2001, Powell went further and said that Saddam Hussein had not been able to “build his military back up or to develop weapons of mass destruction” for “the last 10 years”. America, he said, had been successful in keeping him “in a box”.
Two months later, Condoleezza Rice also described a weak, divided and militarily defenceless Iraq. “Saddam does not control the northern part of the country,” she said. “We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt.”
(they have a video—as does youtube)
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We had a large number of wmd inspectors in Iraq late 2002 and early 2003. They said they looked everywhere and could find NOTHING. They asked the White House to suggest where else they should look. The White House ordered them out and began the invasion. Saddam had turned over many thousands of pages of documents accounting for past 1980’s wmd.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:30 pmHey Dumb Dumb Neocon MerWad, did you know the republicans controlled the House & Senate under Clinton? Blame them for your personal problems. Thanks pal.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:31 pmTP needs to deal with this troll infestation.
I had hoped the repeated flagging by several of us would have worked but apparently it didn’t :(
June 1st, 2009 at 7:31 pmWar is always a choice.
And it is the last choice of decent, thinking humans.
The first choice of war profiteers.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:33 pmTroll mantra:“Bush and Cheney kept America safe for seven years”
Unfortunately, their job was to keep America safe for eight years.
Oops.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:34 pm*pushing a can to everyone except Dumb Dumb*
http://media.photobucket.com/image/troll%20be%20gone/myfask/258Troll_spray.jpg
June 1st, 2009 at 7:34 pmDelusional.
What characteristics are associated with psychotic disorder?
Some of the characteristics associated with psychotic disorders include delusions, hallucinations, bizarre behavior, incoherent or disorganized speech, and/or disorganized behavior.
Delusions are described as false, inaccurate beliefs the person holds onto even when he/she is presented with accurate information.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:34 pmMerdad in order for us to answer your questions, you’ve got to learn how to spell first. Make coherent sentences. You just don’t make sense! Say no to drugs!
June 1st, 2009 at 7:35 pmMerdud
“the only think Bill Clinton did, sucked on cigar and lied under oath.”
and it’s a good thing the repukies in congress were fully engaged in that witchhunt as oppossed to legislating anti-terrorism bills.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:36 pmDick Cheney was a mass murderer, so where the hell was Scott Roeder (the guy who gunned down Dr. George Tiller yesterday)? Huh?
June 1st, 2009 at 7:36 pmBush: “Seven out of eight was always good enough in Yale. Heck. Five out of eight was good enough to get me through that place.”
June 1st, 2009 at 7:36 pm“Say no to drugs!”
June 1st, 2009 at 7:37 pmtoo late for that, hormiga brava chavez, it was his old gal who was sucking the crackpipe when knocked up.
cheney: Iraq war ’saved lives.’
More like the Iraq war allowed Cheney
* to build his wealth
* order torture
* rob our country
* distract in order to kill safety net programs
* distract in order to deregulate and bring our country to
June 1st, 2009 at 7:39 pmit’s knees.
Silly question but why does the ‘most powerful nation on earth’ which spends more on defense and military than almost the rest of the world combined, feel it needs to fear a really small group of people with delusional religious ideas when they have a similar group in their own country with similar delusions who are calling for similar acts of violence and war?
June 1st, 2009 at 7:39 pmkdgamergirl Says:
TP needs to deal with this troll infestation.
I had hoped the repeated flagging by several of us would have worked but apparently it didn’t :(
June 1st, 2009 at 7:31 pm
TP has gone all complacent again. *sigh*
June 1st, 2009 at 7:39 pmCheney proves again he is a liar & someone who cares absolutely nothing about civilians. His “war” murdered 100s of thousands of innocent Iraqis, sent millions others into exile. He is an evil, self-promoting, sociopathic creep. Imagine if someone invaded the U.S., slaughtered hundreds of thousands, imprisoned others with no just cause, tortured innocent Americans. That’s what Cheney did, in but in Iraq. If it were the U.S.– wouldn’t he be on trial? Wouldn’t he be in prison for life– if not executed? Either we try him & throw him into prison for the rest of his life, or we never, EVER, listen to this POS again. How can the media even interview this terrorist, let alone give him any credibility? He destroyed the U.S. in the world’s views. Throw him in jail. Don’t interview this degenerate. He is, bluntly, a home-grown terrorist. He lives to terrorize Americans. For his own profit.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:40 pmDangit, Merdad, get over to McDonalds and get my chicken Mcnuggets, STAT!!
June 1st, 2009 at 7:40 pmJune 1st, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Hello TP, I know that you’re purposely ignoring the major news of the day: The nationalization of GM.
But seriously, is there a strategy to look out for the people who are going to be losing their jobs because of this bankruptcy???
OBAMA IS GOING TO TAKE A HIT IN 2012 FOR YOUR DECISIONS.
Are you going to leave “the brother” out to dry on this issue???
June 1st, 2009 at 7:41 pmI do not believe this man understands the concept of “net-loss”.
If perhaps only for the selective re-write of recent history, no?
June 1st, 2009 at 7:41 pmReparations4TheBlackHolocaustNOW says:
June 1st, 2009 at 7:42 pmthe sky is falling! the sky is falling!
ralph the wonder locust, they didn’t lose any major cities after they lost New Orleans, either.
Bozo The Neoclown Says:
“Say no to drugs!”
Anyone talking to drugs is probably on them!
June 1st, 2009 at 7:42 pmOBAMA IS GOING TO TAKE A HIT IN 2012 FOR YOUR DECISIONS.
Who made what decision how?
June 1st, 2009 at 7:43 pmHello TP, I know that you’re purposely ignoring the major news of the day: The nationalization of GM.
But seriously, is there a strategy to look out for the people who are going to be losing their jobs because of this bankruptcy???
OBAMA IS GOING TO TAKE A HIT IN 2012 FOR YOUR DECISIONS.
Are you going to leave “the brother” out to dry on this issue ha???
June 1st, 2009 at 7:44 pmPut this delusional war criminal in prison and turn out the lights.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:45 pmBush started the bailouts of GM and Chrysler by using TARP funds for them. I, for one, was never for the bailing out of GM, they should have been allowed to go bankrupt some time ago.
BTW, they were top players in the same derivatives mess AIG got involved in, who also should not have been bailed out.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:45 pmReparations4TheBlackHolocaustNOW Says: But seriously, is there a strategy to look out for the people who are going to be losing their jobs because of this bankruptcy???
Yup, it is called they lose their jobs. America seems to think that actual working people who might ask for decent treatment are less important than banksters who play games with money and don’t supply a single thing to the economy.
Welcome to the New America.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:45 pminnit cute, the troll has a stutter and is repeating himself.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:46 pmR4TBHN-
Are you so tired from dancin’ in the streets over the amount of UAW workers losing their jobs that you found time to log onto grandma’s computer?
June 1st, 2009 at 7:46 pmReparations4TheBlackHolocaustNOW Says:
Another delusional reichwingnut who cannot think for himself. Who the hell nationalized Wall Street last year before the election? Remember? Everything that is being done is the result of failures of the GOP. The GOP failed at governance.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:47 pmAND this is not the GM topic thread.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:47 pmReparations4TheBlackHolocaustNOW ,
June 1st, 2009 at 7:48 pmThis bankruptcy was the only way to save the company. What do consedrvatives know about saving/creating jobs? Clinton created TEN TIMES as many jobs as Bush (who had the worst record since Hoover, another Republican).
Bozo, it’s not polite to make fun of a speech impediment.
The silly outfit, though, that’s fair game.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:48 pmlet’s face it, trolls like Reparations4TheBlackHolocaustNOW, senators mcconnell and shelby hate america, that’s why they want GM to fail. Of course, if you’re a republiscum senator with a mercedes or toyota plant in your state…
June 1st, 2009 at 7:49 pmI think I see it his way now:
“The Iraq war saved lives and slavery was good for blacks.”
June 1st, 2009 at 7:50 pmReparations,
June 1st, 2009 at 7:50 pmGM CEOs made poor investment/business decisions – how was that Obama’s fault? I doubt Obama will take a hit for the GM disaster.
ralph, you mean like abreviating his name to “preparation h” instead of “Reparations4TheBlackHolocaustNOW”?
SWEEETTTTTT!
June 1st, 2009 at 7:50 pmWe know the war crime killed, maimed, mangled, mutilated and psychologically damaged at least 50,000+ Americans and who knows how many Iraqis suffered the same fate.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:52 pmThe scary part is if Dick thinks it ’saved lives’ just where did his nasty thoughts go about what could have happened?
Dick needs serious therapy.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:56 pmToo rich…only 100,000 Iraqi deaths?!?! The Lancet study had the figure at over 600,000 in 2006, and anyone who would hold to the Bushian lowball estimates shouldn’t be writing for a progressive blog!
June 1st, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Nat, I believe over 200,000 claimed disability from Gulf War I. It will be a lot higher from this war. That is a big reason why Stiglitz and Bilmes put the cost at $3 Trillion.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:57 pmCheney who used to hide for months from public eye is now working full time to appear from one place to the other telling Americans how the war in Iraq saved lives.
Cheney is repeating what he said few years ago after the war started in 2003 making many claims that were all debunked later.
Has he been in a coma and just woke up repeating the same words about successes and saving lives resulted from the Iraqi war?
It is interesting that no mention of WMDS of Saddam by Cheney and what happened to finding them.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:58 pmHoodathunktick,
Yeah Dick needs some electroshock thereapy! LOL
June 1st, 2009 at 7:59 pmZooey Says:
TP needs to deal with this troll infestation.
The best way to deal with it is to stop responding to it. Especially one as stupid as Merdad. I mean, if you want to play Whack a Troll, at least do it with a troll who might be somewhat challenging. This one is too stupid for words.
June 1st, 2009 at 8:01 pm197 Keith
That’s correct.
The Dick’s next trick is to do a sleight of hand to show how
June 1st, 2009 at 8:03 pmthe Iraq war is actually saving money
Obviously Dick has forgotten the meme that the Iraqis will welcome us as liberators. Does he really think that by killing thousands of Iraqis this might come to pass?
Did he miss the recent demonstration or the call from the Iraqi government calling for us to please go home before we completely destroy their country?
June 1st, 2009 at 8:05 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Zooey Says:
TP needs to deal with this troll infestation.
The best way to deal with it is to stop responding to it. Especially one as stupid as Merdad. I mean, if you want to play Whack a Troll, at least do it with a troll who might be somewhat challenging. This one is too stupid for words.
I’m not sure that “stupid” covers it. I think we’re dealing with someone with some real mental health issues. Poking sticks at this person just makes things worse – for the person and for the rest of us who have to deal with the blowback.
I’ve been flagging the comments and sending copies to TP but they really do seem to be asleep at the switch.
Of course, the last time we had a problem like this here it resulted in the spinoff of at least one other blog.
June 1st, 2009 at 8:06 pm“Yeah Dick needs some electroshock thereapy! LOL”
Consider his seemingly pathological need for secrecy, and the fact he’s a heart patient, is it logical to conclude Cheney might have recently gotten some terminal news from his doctor, and he’s decided that he’s going out spitting? Lord knows, he always looks septic anyway, so it’d definitely be hard to tell, but it would be entirely within character for him to keep secret any terminal diagnosis until the last moment — unless he were suddenly indicted in the Hague, that is.
June 1st, 2009 at 8:08 pmOf course, the last time we had a problem like this here it resulted in the spinoff of at least one other blog.
So The Zoo is Neo-Puritan Progressive?
Just sayin,’ the storyline is similar.
June 1st, 2009 at 8:13 pm@ Xisithrus and Keith
My point is that we can’t blame Bush forever.
The people are going to get tired of that same old line after a couple of years.
Then what?
My fear is that Obama’s handlers are going all in(Texas hold em style) with their goals, realizing that the nation is hypnotized by our good looking, well spoken, first black prez.
My warning is that this whole image will calapse if elitist continue to be bailed out while the regular person doesn’t get bailed out.
Is unemployment benefits getting an overhaul?
Is health care getting a fair overhaul?
Is the employee free choice act going to get serious consideration?
Are small businesses going to get a hand?
The people are going to ask: WHAT DO WE GET???
And the repugs are going to jump all over this (along will foreign policy issues).
June 1st, 2009 at 8:14 pmbarfly,
I’m hoping Cheney will be prosecuted b4 he croaks.
June 1st, 2009 at 8:17 pmReparations4TheBlackHolocaustNOW,
First of all, your name is pretty racist.
June 1st, 2009 at 8:19 pmSecondly, your argument is from the LEFT of Obama. Do you even realize this?
me, me, me…..ask not….
June 1st, 2009 at 8:25 pm@Keith hmmmmm you ignored my point and changed the subject to my name… But I’ll entertain your conclusion. Please explain to me why my name is racist?
June 1st, 2009 at 8:26 pmSuppose you explain what your name means.
June 1st, 2009 at 8:35 pmAnd do you realize that your argument in #206 is a criticism of Obama from THE LEFT? It’s along the lines of Sen. Sanders or Cong. Kucinich.
“Please explain to me why my name is racist?”
Again?
June 1st, 2009 at 8:45 pmAnd you changed the subject which is supposed to be Cheney saying the war saved lives.
June 1st, 2009 at 8:46 pmSaved Lives ?
anyone care to ask the families of the over 4,000 American Soldiers ?
anyone care to ask the families of all the “non-military support” we took with us ?
anyone care to ask the families of the Iraqis killed ? (I know the number is large, just don’t have a current count).
June 1st, 2009 at 8:55 pmIt’s unfortunate that most threads over 100 comments here at TP signify a troll infestation. I’m tired of sifting through the nonsense of people who don’t know how to take a loss and reflect. Act out someplace else.
June 1st, 2009 at 8:56 pmReparations,
The administration isn’t really pointing to Bush anymore, although continuing to do so would be within accuracy. They’ve been at work for sometime.
I have some factoids for you: Bush was last president. He left us two wars. He left us a crumbling economy. He left us massive deficits. He left us a corporate bailout with no accountability. President Obama succeeded him and now he’s dealing with those problems. Bush’s legacy writers not feeling the ill effects of his policies don’t want his legacy to be treated as one giant problem, so they snidely reject any solutions as if to keep his legacy gated, unchallenged & the reinforced new status quo. Thankfully, it’s not working.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:13 pmIraq War is a War of Aggression based on LIES, a WAR CRIME! Two million iraqi civilians are dead, another two million iraqi civilians have been displaced. 4306 military personnel are dead. 31312 military personnel are wounded or maimed for life.
Dick Chenney is a WAR CRIMINAL. He must be prosecuted for War Crimes.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:32 pmThe pig and War vCriminal Chenney is still arguing that TORTURING people saved lives…
June 1st, 2009 at 9:35 pmThat pig should hang!
Cheney is still desperately trying to save his own life.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:14 pmThe cost of 4300 lives cannot be estimated.
Cost of the illegal war in Iraq $675 billion, and counting.
Add to the cost of the war in Afghanistan and the total is
an astonishing $907 billion.
At least there is hope that the GM bailout will eventually pay off.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:31 pmI wish I had been there to throw the other shoe at “Evil” Cheney, he’s a complete lying moron.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:45 pmSo tell us Dick…how exactly did the Iraq war save lives? We know that it has killed over 4,000 US soldiers, maimed and injured 20,000 more US soldiers, killed over 150,000 Iraqi citizens, displaced over one million more.
So again Dick, how exactly did the Iraq war save lives? Do you have any proof of this or are you talking out of your evil a$$ again? We now know for a fact that Iraq didn’t have WMD’s, the chemical weapons we sold Saddam back in the 80’s were now worthless, so Dick, again how exactly did the Iraq war save lives you miserable, evil little phuck!
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:11 am9/11 = 3,000 dead
Iraq war = over 154,000 dead and counting, with a price tag of over a trillion dollars and counting, a weakened US military, weakened our strength as a country, created more enemies, has made us less safe, destroyed our moral compass.
Priceless…
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June 2nd, 2009 at 12:54 amI think it saved lives.
Wha?
Whose? Where?
Certainly not in Iraq. And most certainly not the lives of countless Iraqi who died since the invasion.
Not only it didn’t save lives, it hasn’t even bettered living conditions of Iraqis or made the US safer.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:15 am.
Imagine that Cheney uses the events of 9/11 as his base line of fear…
… Now imagine that in Iraq, they have had the equivalent of over 40 TIMES our 9/11 in the cost of human lives in their own “HOMELAND”.
.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:21 amMerdad Says:
the libs are against usa
And this is coming from a teabagger who claims to love America but in reality wants to secede from it??? You are an assclown. STFU!
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:11 amWHAT? MerdeMoron STILL hasnt killed himself? Tick TOCK moron MerdeHead
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:58 amIraq war saved lives.
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:05 amWar is peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
Johnintexas Says:
10 . . . that’s right . . . you strive to avoid possibilities . . . unlike Clinton who did absolutely nothing and gave us the certainty of 3,000 dead Americans on Sep 11 . . .
Now here is a true nut case. 9-11 is now Clintons fault even though Bush had been in office for 9 months and in august had a security report that said in big bold letters Al Quida going to attack within the United States and did absolutely nothing. Gotta love these idiots. Keep shrinking the republican party. Also if their is anything I can do to help you, let me know.
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:52 amPonders the logic and math of this statement and decided that Cheney must have failed both in school.
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:22 amCheney should be talking about how many lives were NOT SAVED! Thousands of innocent civilians and our soldiers, and for what?
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:33 pmWhy was there an invasion in Iraq when all along…it was a known fact that Osama was in Afghanastan. Answer those questions Cheney…naturally, you will have some cockamania answers that are totally false.
someday we will look back to the bush years and say”OH THE GOOD OLE DAY”S”
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Cheney: Iraq war ’saved lives.’By Ali Frick on Jun 1st, 2009 at 6:00 pm Cheney: Iraq war ’saved lives.’
Speaking this afternoon at the National Press Club, Cheney vigorously defended the Bush administration’s national security policies, including the decision to go to war in Iraq, which he rhetorically linked to 9/11 over and over. He also declared that the Iraq war “saved lives”:
CHENEY: The problem we were faced with in the aftermath of 9/11 was the possibility of another 9/11-style attack, only with much deadlier technology, a 9/11 with nukes or biological agents of some kind. That concern drove a lot of our thinking in that period, in those months after 9/11. … I think it was a sound decision to make. I think it was an important part of our overall strategy in the Global War on Terror. I think it saved lives.
Watch it:
Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction. He had no links to al Qaeda. And the Iraq war has resulted in the deaths of more than 4,300 American soldiers and roughly 100,000 Iraqis.
Cheney should be talking about how many lives were NOT SAVED! Thousands of innocent civilians and our soldiers, and for what?
Why was there an invasion in Iraq when all along…it was a known fact that Osama was in Afghanastan. Answer those questions Cheney…naturally, you will have some cockamania answers that are totally false.
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