O’Reilly Responds To The Tiller Murder: ‘No Backpedaling Here…Every Single Thing We Said About Tiller Was True’
O’Reilly Responds To The Tiller Murder: ‘No Backpedaling Here…Every Single Thing We Said About Tiller Was True’
After yesterday’s brutal shooting of George Tiller, a Kansas doctor who administered abortions, many anti-choice groups quickly condemned the murder and attempted to separate themselves from the actions of the killer. Even Operation Rescue, which made Tiller a special target of its harassment over the years, denounced the killing as “vigilantism” and a “cowardly act.”
Fox News host Bill O’Reilly had also singled out Tiller in the past. According to Salon, O’Reilly first discussed Tiller on Feb. 25, 2005, and subsequently did 28 more episodes mentioning the doctor. When Fox News announced that O’Reilly would be making his first comments on Tiller since his murder, some journalists believed that O’Reilly would “most certainly decry” the killing.
At the top of his Talking Points segment, O’Reilly did briefly say, “Americans should condemn the murder of Dr. George Tiller,” but he then quickly segued into more attacks on Tiller. He also used the opportunity to attack his critics, saying they were trying to “exploit” the incident to attack Fox News. In particular, he singled out the writings of Helen Kennedy of the New York Daily News, Mary Mapes on the Huffington Post, Mike Hendricks of the Kansas City Star, Markos Moulitsas of DailyKos. O’Reilly blasted liberals who were “very very sympathetic” to Tiller and said one of the first things that he thought of when he heard the news of the killing was…himself:
When I heard about Tiller’s murder, I knew pro-abortion zealots and Fox News haters would attempt to blame us for the crime, and that’s exactly what has happened. [...]
No backpedaling here, madam [Mary Mapes]. Unlike you, I report honestly. Every single thing we said about Tiller was true, and my analysis was based on those facts. [...]
Now, it’s clear that the far left is exploiting — exploiting — the death of the doctor. Those vicious individuals want to stifle any criticism of people like Tiller. That — and hating Fox News — is the real agenda here. Finally, if these people are soooo compassionate — so very compassionate, so concerned for the rights and welfare of others — maybe they might have written something, one thing, about the 60,000 fetuses that will never become American citizens. Or am I wrong?
Watch it:
Besides repeatedly referring to the doctor as “Tiller the Baby Killer,” what are some of the factual statements O’Reilly has made about Tiller over the years?
– “If you want to kill a baby, you hire Tiller. You’ve got to pay him $5,000 up front, and he’ll kill the baby.”
– “No question Dr. Tiller has blood on his hands.”
– “Dr. George Tiller destroys fetuses for just about any reason, right up until the birth date.”
– “This man executes babies that are about to be born.”
– “This is the kind of stuff happened in Mao’s China, Hitler’s Germany, Stalin’s Soviet Union.”
In the past, O’Reilly has sent out producer Jesse Watters to ambush Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (D-KS) and ask her about Tiller. Although many people disagreed with what Tiller did, as President Obama responded, such differences “cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence.” “[T]he same bullet that killed George Tiller also shattered the moral underpinnings of the movement that inspired its firing,” wrote Hendricks.
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O’Reilly and the Religious right are TERRORISTS!!!!
June 1st, 2009 at 9:01 pmpsssstttt,
June 1st, 2009 at 9:04 pmasshat o’lielly,
you failed to mention what Dr. Tiller was doing is legal but, the hatred you gin up leading to murder is not. i hope they nail o’lielly’s ass as an accessory to murder
Olbermann was just talking about O’Really. I like how he just called Dr. Tiller’s murder an assassination, because that’s what it was. He also referred to the murderer as a terrorist. Of course, Billo has not and will not accept responsibility. Billo is a liar and the worse kind of slimy creep. May he reap what he sows.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:04 pmIt is, indeed, unfortunate that Tiller performed so many abortions . . . and yet, somehow, Little Billy O’Reilly slipped through the crack anyway. [sarcasm off]
Little Billy is really giving Little Seanie Vanity a run for his money as the most sanctimonius, self-righteous, smug, ignorant, arrogant d-bag on FoxSnooze.
His indignance was totally to be expected. What else would a smarmy a$$hole like him do?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:07 pmI dont think anyone expected this idiot to walk back any of his hate speech. The doctor’s blood are on his hands now.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:08 pmO’Reilly’s rant makes my head spin: He knows little or nothing about honesty, facts, analysis, compassion; yet, there he is, pontificating about them.
What a complete waste of oxygen.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:08 pmAnyone surprised at this?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:09 pmYes, you are wrong. Oh, wait are you talking about immigration?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:10 pmit must be a tremendous burden to be bill o’lielly. to be able to single handedly overturn a supreme court decision and issue a jihad from the comfort of his studio in new york must be tiresome.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:10 pmI’m not the least bit surprised. O’Reilly’s arrogance and ego are larger than life!
June 1st, 2009 at 9:10 pmLooks like my prediction was on the money.
Not that it was a tough call.
I listened to the first part of Bildo’s rant.
He cited a WaTimes estimate that the doctor had performed “over 60,000 abortions” in his career, which spanned 35 years.
That works out to almost 2,000 per year. That six per day. Every day of the year. If you look at just traditional working days, we’re talking TEN per day.
That’s a pretty rigorous schedule, don’t you think? maybe even a tad unrealistic. But that’s okay; if you’re Bildo, you don’t need to make sense, you just need to rile up your “base”.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:11 pmmaybe they might have written something, one thing, about the 60,000 fetuses that will never become American citizens. Or am I wrong?
Oops. Bill’s off-message. Those are babies, not fetuses, Bill.
And someone should ask what these supposed Christians think about the guy using their holy house to settle his imagined score with the doctor.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:12 pmI think we may need to leave Gitmo open just so we have somewhere to house Bill O’reilly and his terrorist friends.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:12 pmTiller did what his patients wanted. If O’Reilly wants to attack people, for doing something that is legal, then he is going to have to go after, illegally, stalk 60,000 women.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:12 pmHomeland security report on whackjob reichwing religious extrmists=right
bill o’lielly pissing and moaning about the demonizing effect of said report on conservatives=dead wrong.
go figure
June 1st, 2009 at 9:13 pmFirst, let’s stop referring to any of them by the misnomer ‘pro-life.’ More accurately, they’re strictly pro-birth, and that is how they should ALWAYS be referred to. By that, I’m not implying that they condone acts of terrorism such as the assassination of Dr. Tiller. What I mean is that in general philosophy, they are not unconditionally pro-life. The only truly pro-life groups I can think of are the Amish and the Quakers. In contrast, the pro-birthers are quite selective in the life they respect and protect.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:15 pmAnd no, Bill-O, you do not have the facts. You are a man that will do and say whatever to fill your pockets with the root of all evil, the love of money.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:19 pmYet Johnintexas has no problem with bombing or killing a hundred thousand people, or more, to death.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:19 pmXisithrus,
So true. And it’s a really private matter that’s very difficult to make. I remember someone in my church having to make that very difficult decision because the baby would’ve been severly deformed and may not have lived.
I feel so badly when I think about what Dr. Tiller must’ve gone thru prior to his assassination. This is so awful.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:21 pmHey Johnintexas… Ralph addressed the supposed “60,000″ number in post number 11… as a wise actor once said, ‘who is the bigger fool? The fool or the fool who follows him?”
Can you start to read the comments before you post insane generalizations next time… or, even better, just don’t post.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:24 pmjohnintexas,
Money and corruption are at the heart of religious wingnut conservatives. Now you can add terrorism to your list of corrupt conservative values. Hypocrite! O’Reilly is part owner of this mess whether he will admit it or not.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:25 pmIt seems that many people who brag about being “pro-life” are great at making people’s lives miserable. No liberal likes abortion, they just want to be realistic about policy. Not a whole lot in this world is black-and-white.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:27 pmLeviticus is not GOD.
I know of no religious text that was written by GOD.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:27 pmHow much more pain will this scourge inflict before he gets old?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:27 pmRemember the flood? Sodom and Gommorah?
No, do you? You are old!
And Leviticus???
Why are you supposed “Christians” obsessed with the OLD testament?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:27 pmWhy, because Leviticus, a man whose number is six, told you so?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:28 pmJohnintexas Says:
“God’s ways are pretty dramatic aren’t they? Remember the flood? Sodom and Gommorah?”
No, I’m afraid I don’t, can you refresh my memory?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:28 pmWhat were you doing in Sodom, anyways?
Johnintexas Says:
20 . . . really? Why awful? The man was a mass murderer. That he was doing his murder legally only proves that the law hadn’t caught up to him yet. It would have. I believe that he was saved a life term in prison.
Besides . . . Just think of the lives that will be saved by the death of Killer-Tiller.
Perhaps one of those lives will be of the man who discovers a cure for cancer and saves the life of your child or someone you know . . .
****
what has that got to do with this?
“
June 1st, 2009 at 9:30 pmwrong, if he was he would be in prison. Religion does not supersede law.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:30 pmO’Liely inflicts tangible injury to us all, but in particular to ‘conservative’ people.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:30 pmjohnintexas,
Dr. Tiller was not a mass murderer. He did not break the law. Women have the right to choose. People like you are what’s wrong with America. You’re mode of thinking is off balance. You use the name of God to cover your sins and make excuses for your evil and murderous acts. Your hypocrisy is glaring and I question your sanity. You’re Godless. You couldn’t possibly believe in God.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:30 pm“God’s ways are pretty dramatic aren’t they?
Reoder was not GOD and GOD didnt make him act in that way.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:31 pmCome now, your forgetting the couple that sought abortion.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:32 pmTP, please forward the IP address of Johnintexas to Homeland Security. These homegrown terrorists are dangerous to all of us.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:33 pmOne thing you have to do to become a citizen is be born, so you don’t count until you are born, sorry, that’s how it is.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:33 pmRepeat after me JIT, your are not the judge, you are not to judge.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:33 pm@16 Mr. O’Reilly stated one fact that I see the posters so far have conveniently chosen to ignore: Killer Tiller “disposed” of over 60,000 potential human beings.
6000 or 60000, one thing you wingers seem to ignore is the fact that the numbers don’t matter. Actual human beings sought out Dr. Tiller to perform a legal procedure, and its none of your f(cking business. The women who made that terribly difficult decision need neither your blessing nor your permission. Your opinion on their private dealings with Dr. Tiller means absolutely nothing.
Now, because of the violent rhetoric of Billo and his brethren in hate, and the tools that act on said rhetoric, real women’s lives will be at risk. Billo and johnintexas, and the like, none of you give a shit about the women.
Violence and subjugation, always at the heart of ‘conservatism’. Yammerings about “culture of life” while killing brown people and doctors who don’t fall in lockstep with your ideology, your embrace of terrorism is astounding.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:33 pmGod is a fag.
He sucked my dick last nite, and he’s coming back for more later.
And no, I don’t feel like sharing him, not till I ream him a size 9 pooper-shooter.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:34 pmAccording to Billo, the doctor killed an average of 6 babies a day for 35 years.
I wonder why anyone from the MSM is not calling this trashbag on this?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:34 pmTiller didnt seek out pregnant woman and kidnap them and remove their unborn.
Has it occured to you JIT that maybe the doctor knew these women would get an abortion by another unsafe means?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:35 pmPh uck you, you worthless piece of crap. Don’t you even speak of the doctor and his death. You have blood on your hands just like O’Reilly. STFU.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:35 pmFine. But inciting hatred is not the solution.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:36 pmjohnnyboytexas, and who are these legal eagles who studied Kansas law? Care to give us some names and links to this fantasy of yours?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:37 pmjohnintexas and his ilk get riled up about a small percentage of abortions — less than 2% — that are performed late term w/ a required medical reason, when 15% of the population (only going up, up, up) are uninsured.
I hate abortion, john. I keep the Pat Moynihan question on my mind when it comes to late-term abortions — “What on Earth is this procedure?” But the timing, the motivation of your outrage, it is inconsistent and misplaced.
Why are so many Iraqi children born with heart defects and disfigurements, john? A: Our use of white phosphorous, half-life 500 years. Why were so many Iraqi children shredded to bloody rag dolls, john?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:37 pmOn another thread, John, you were pro-war, which is pro-death, how do you square with these two opposing ideologies?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:38 pmBillo had 2 segments on the Tiller subject, both with lemmings to support him. He knows he was wrong and now he’s trying to bully people into agreeing with him and bolstering his side. What a disgusting asshat. He even stooped so low as to have the real geniuses of Faux News on to praise him…Gretchen Carlson and Margaret Hoover, what blowhard. Now I’m going to take a shower after watching that crap show.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:38 pmAnd you know that how, exactly? How do you know what was in the man’s heart or how it got there?
If he were GOD he wouldnt have needed a gun would he?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:39 pmJohn, you did not need to say you’re from Texas. Your putrid ideas gave that away. Typical Texan! The United States of America can’t wait for the Rick Perry The Scum secession! Arriba!
June 1st, 2009 at 9:39 pmJohnintexas Says:
36 . . . Reoder was not GOD and GOD didnt make him act in that way.
And you know that how, exactly?
He read it in a really old book…
June 1st, 2009 at 9:39 pmThe stupid, violent, racist, unbalanced troll from Texas surrendered any claim to moral authority long ago. Just like his idol, Bill0.
The vile flock to defend those who are more vile than themselves.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:39 pmHow do you know what was in Tillers heart or how it got there?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:40 pmHypocrites like johnintexas are the reason I stopped going to church and have given up on the christian religion. No more organized nutjob religions. I believe in a higher power called God but that’s where it stops.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:40 pmYou are a liar. That is a sin. You can not be tried for something that was not a crime when you committed the act. And I’m sick of you traitors to America and your “most” people crap. Eat SH#T you disgusting piece of human excrement.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:41 pmOreilly is a foul, ugly bigot. And Doctor Tiller died yesterday, because of the type of bigotry and intolerance being sold over the airways at Fox News by scum like Bill Oreilly.
The mans dead Bill.
Haven’t you said enough?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:41 pmjohnnyboytexas, which god? There’s so many gods out there its kind of hard to figure out which god your talking about. Was it the Jewish god? The Muslim god? The born again god or some other god? Which one to pick is the question.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:42 pmI hope Tiller’s family can lodge a civil suit against O’Reilly and the other conservative inciters.
That’s the biggest problem; O’Reilly’s audience is comprised of medieval Monty Python crowd extras:
Conservatives: Dimmer than you could ever imagine..
June 1st, 2009 at 9:42 pmGood idea Doodlebug Shayne – never know what these religious nuts are capable of these days. We can never be too careful!
June 1st, 2009 at 9:42 pmWhy JIT does GOD need a gun?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:45 pmDr. Tiller was MURDERED in his CHURCH with HIS WIFE LOOKING ON, and O’Reilly is the VICTIM?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:45 pm49.Johnintexas Says:
And you know that how, exactly?
How do you know what was in the man’s heart or how it got there?
The Nazis killed 60,000 in a good week at Auschwitz. Do we blame the Russian, British or American soldiers who finally stopped the killing?
Weren’t they doing God’s work? How do you know this nut wasn’t?
Hitler himself claimed to be doing ‘God’s work.’ Who is right?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:45 pmThere is no evidence that Dr. Tiller performed abortions for the purpose of elective birth-control. And, despite a couple court cases where he was found innocent of the complaints, there’s no evidence that he violated any state or federal law.
That would serve to indicate that he only performed the controversial “late term” abortions as emergency procedures to save the lives of the Mothers. He saved women who would have died by following the demands of the religious nuts.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:46 pmAnd when crazies are allowed to buy guns like they’re bubble gum the people who incite violence like Bill O’Reilly and Sarah Palin during the election need to be held accountable.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:46 pmO’Reilly says, “If you want to kill a baby, you hire Tiller. You’ve got to pay him $5,000 up front, and he’ll kill the baby.”
And if you want to murder millions of defenseless women, children, and babies in the Middle East, you hire Republicans like George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:46 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
Peasant #2 “She turned me into a Newt!”
(silence)
Peasant #2 “Well, I got better…”
June 1st, 2009 at 9:46 pmMr. O’Reilly and Fox News Corporation should be indicted as accessories before the fact to murder and domestic terrorism.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:47 pmWho did Jesus kill JIT?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:49 pmJohnintexas, if you want to debate the abortion issue with me, adhering to debate rules, roviding links and sources to qualify claims, I will beat your @ss in front of all these people.
If you think you have the stones for it.
Otherwise, get lost.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:49 pmI called it this afternoon….I knew he would blame the blogosphere and the left for this……what a pathological liar and a coward. How stupid does he think people are?
O’Reilly and his hate filled rants are the fuel that sets these people off. I loathe O’Reilly and he’s nothing but a punk and a bully who hides behind Fox and his ratings. Put him on another network (like Letterman) and he gets his ass kicked and handed to him. What a coward and a wussy.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:49 pmI was think more of all the lives that would be saved if your mother, and the mothers of all the murderous bigots like you had been smart enough to visit doctor tiller and aborted your worthless fetus’s prior to crapping them onto the planet to sew your seeds of hatred, murder, bigotry and bile.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:51 pmThe problem with holding pigs like O’Reilly accountable is that the Supreme Coutr ruled that violent speech is protected. The law will be no help in stopping people like O’Reilly and the rest of the hate mongers in the media.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:51 pmOh, and my comments are now being MODERATED. naturally. Liberals can never debate without running off to moomy and whining about something . .
That’s rich. I’ve been banned from FreeRepublic and RedState because my views were counter to theirs. They remove even moderate comments, and immediately ban anyone deemed not pure enough.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:53 pmJohnintexas, the internet is FOREVER. You better hide those illegal guns and crazy manifestos. The feds will be knocking on your door. I’m glad Gitmo is still open because you terrorists need some enhanced interrogation to find out how big your group is and who is in charge. Do you swim?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:54 pmJohnintexas Says: “Oh, and my comments are now being MODERATED. naturally. Liberals can never debate without running off to moomy and whining about something . . .”
Look whose whining…
June 1st, 2009 at 9:55 pm#
Yeh, right, post some facts that support this.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:55 pmTypical whiny Cancervative. Johnboy wants to spew more hate and encourage more violence but then he gets moderated and he cries like the little b – itch that he is. You Teabaggers are all such cowards.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:56 pmjohnnyboytexas, I can see you know very little about history or Hitler. Hitler did believe in god, and did think he was doing gods work. Try picking up a book sometime and educate yourself. You can start with Hitlers own words by reading Mein Kampf.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:56 pmouthouse, you ignorant rube
stop injecting your religious delusions into rational thinking conversation
your ignorant superstitions and mythology have no place in the real world
now get back to your gods and demons and dragons and fairies and goblins and ghosts and quit fouling up the air with your stench
June 1st, 2009 at 9:56 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says, “And when crazies are allowed to buy guns like they’re bubble gum the people who incite violence like Bill O’Reilly and Sarah Palin during the election need to be held accountable.”
G. Gordon Liddy and Rush Limbaugh encouraged people to attack the Federal Government while Clinton was President. Timothy McVeigh and David Koresh followed orders.
Some right-wing lunatic even crashed his airplane into the White House.
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/09/13/us/crash-white-house-overview-unimpeded-intruder-crashes-plane-into-white-house.html
June 1st, 2009 at 9:56 pmCry me a river Johnisapansy.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:57 pmJune 1st, 2009 at 9:57 pm
This is why we did take mcchimpy/moosey racist rallies seriously.
faux and loofahboy don’t think jumping out of bushes is scary…this is why you f0ucking psychos…the extra nutty will do your bidding for you faux.
What these cowards do is get people nuttier than the avg teabagger to do their killing.
faux is the station that will condone killings for anything they don’t like.
faux the station of hitmen
June 1st, 2009 at 9:57 pmCare to dispute that [88] JIT?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:57 pmYou’re riled up, aren’t you john, over this political assassination? Funny how you and your ilk claim the left to be some exclusive domain of tyranny.
Many of these outspoken pro-lifers, you can expect that if their teen daughters got pregnant they’ll be thrown to the street, told they’re worthless and their babies put up for adoption. One more effect neonuts ignore as it pertains to their cause. The only way you outlaw abortion is by making it safe-legal-rare. A good support system (various indicators), support for contraceptives and sex education is key.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:58 pmWe don’t need to worry about al Qaeda, we need to worry about al Crackers like Johnputz.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:58 pmJune 1st, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Doodlebug Shayne Says:
“Do you swim?”
He’s from Texas, remember? The closest body of water is at the sewage treatment plant, and he can walk across that.
He and his buddy’s get a couple of cases of Keystone and go reenact Jesus and the fishermen.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:00 pmDoodlebug Shayne,
There must be accountability from the likes of O’Reilly and Palin. They’d better hope that they don’t end up in a situation where the gun is pointed in their faces one day!
June 1st, 2009 at 10:00 pmO’Reilly and the rest keep fanning the flames.
This is way off topic and semi-snarky but:
Isn’t Baptism (the full immersion of an adult as opposed to sprinkling a few drops on a baby’s head) waterboarding? Is it possible that the conversion is coerced through torture?
June 1st, 2009 at 10:01 pmLiberals can never debate without running off to moomy and whining about something . . .
Regressive Republitards need to learn the rules of blogging here (much more lenient that any inbred Redstate idiocracy).
Till then, the only whining here is coming from that b*tch which can be found in your mirror.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:02 pmIts a word filter. You said something the filter blocked
June 1st, 2009 at 10:02 pm….
“moomy”?
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June 1st, 2009 at 10:02 pmI don’t hob nob with scumbag bigots and murderers, and those who endorse such bile.
Like I said, your mother could have done well to have visited doctor Tiller prior to crapping your carcass onto the planet, and saved us all a lot of trouble dealing with the hatred, murder and filth your keyboard spreads on the web.
A human being died yesterday because of vermin like you.
Which makes you as bad to me, as the man who pulled the trigger. Because scum like you, seed that hate, and thus perpetuate the crime.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:03 pm“The Son Of Sam” said God told him (through the neighbor’s dog) to kill those people.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:04 pmWill the news media please check out HITLER’S anti-abortion policies? He wanted Aryan babies. And at least part of the motivation of anti-abortion movements is fear that too many white babies are being lost….
June 1st, 2009 at 10:04 pm76.Johnintexas Says: 66 . . . Hitler never claimed to be doing God’s work since he was not a believer.
Now . . . the term “God’s Work” is a common one in Europe so I suppose he could have said it . . . but certainly not in the context you are attempting to portray.
Looks like the @ss beating will commence sooner than I expected:
Johnintexas, I’m impressed. You present no challenge whatsoever, nor do you bother to qualify your claims, you just spout off and dismiss things out-of-hand that you don’t agree with.
Convenient, but both unoriginal and quite jackass-esque.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:05 pmThe moral of the story is, if you harp incessantly about being “pro-life,” it’s wouldn’t be outside the line of reasoning that you possibly have underlying views that contradict that claim.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:05 pmpete Says: “Is it possible that the conversion is coerced through torture?”
If we look at the history of conversion to Christianity, this has always been a favorite tool of theirs.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:06 pmYou’re welcome to believe that. But your “faith” doesn’t overrule the rule of law. And no where in the Christian gospels, does Jesus EVER condone murder.
If you’d actually READ the New Testament and the words of Christ, you’d know that you’re as far from them as a person could possibly be.
You’re a bigot. And Jesus hated the bigots.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:06 pm101. Johnintexas Says: It is a matter of Faith with me that life begins at conception, that no human is entitled to take another’s life, and therefore, abortion is wrong.
Your ‘faith’ does not override the law of the land. Period.
Q.E.D.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:07 pmHi fellow libs, sorry to bring up this piece of sht merdad,but i havent been on TP since earlier in the day. I was just reading the comments and post from today. This wingnut spews his hatred and ignorance on TP all day long. I would like to know what its like to be an uneducated wingnut who can come to a liberal blog and shoot off your mouth with pure stupidity and lies. Have you noticed that TP moderaters dont flag your silly ass? Any liberal who comes to this sight knows that if we go on a rightwing blog we get flagged after one or two comments. Why do you think that is,the left can back up our comments with facts. The internet is a beautiful tool to show how the likes of Billdo,Beck,Limpdick,and their followers lie and make sht up for their own selfish agenda.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:08 pmThats why they hate the internet and bloggers,its getting harder for them to keep spewing all of their bullsht.
It really is sad that the repugs and their base (20%) stoop to such a low. It is very gratifying to watch the wingnuts destroy themselves though.
I think he’s proud of his contribution to committing murder.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:08 pmjohnnyboytexas, the key word in your argument is belief. The point is that the law of this country say’s different. The law trumps your belief. If you don’t like the law, get off your ass and try changing it. Until then, the law of the land trumps your belief.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:08 pmWhen abortion was illegal in the US, there were still abortions. Some got their family doctor to refer them to someone. Some sought “back ally” abortions.
Some sociologists said the drop in crime in the 1990’s was due to Roe v. Wade causing a drop in unwanted children.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:09 pmjohnintexas Says:
Mr. O’Reilly stated one fact that I see the posters so far have conveniently chosen to ignore: Killer Tiller “disposed” of over 60,000 POTENTIAL human beings.
(bold and caps added)
You left billions of potential human beings in some kleenex yesterday, while you were browsing godhatesfags.com. Somebody kills a potential human being every time they use a condom. For that matter, somebody kills a potential human being every time they decide not to have sex. Therefore, abstinence is murder too, if you’re going to play the “potential” game.
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Johnintexas Says:
God’s ways are pretty dramatic aren’t they? Remember the flood? Sodom and Gommorah?
God also demands the slaughter of all children who disrespect their parents. Ever mouth off to your dad? Are you now going to call for the murder of all bratty kids?
Some whackjob capping a guy while he’s trying to attend church cannot be described as an act of God, unless you posit that the murderer in question had no free will.
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hormiga brava chavez Says:
Hypocrites like johnintexas are the reason I stopped going to church and have given up on the christian religion.
Hey JIT, you’re an anti-evangelist. If you believe that believing in Christ is necessary for salvation, then, you are actively working on the behalf of Satan by driving people away from Christianity. Maybe you should sit down and STFU if you want to win more souls for Jesus.
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Johnintexas Says:
Oh, and my comments are now being MODERATED.
Funny, you’re still here to whine about it. If you tried to post a comment and it didn’t go through, then you must have been attempting to violate the wordfilter.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:09 pmJohninTexas: . . . running off to moomy
Well, once you’re back from your “moomy’s,” we’ll continue.
I’d love to see each picketing, shouting, pontificating, judging ‘Merican with opposition to abortion offer to house, feed, arrange medical appointments for, and generally care for pregnant women.
At the same time, we must address our culture, its values, and its abusers to try and limit the number of unwanted pregnancies.
Additionally, those who demand that others see their pregnancies to term ought not quit their caring there — how ’bout some compassion for that newborn and his/her family? How ’bout helping fund their needs? How bout offering to help care for that baby?
How ’bout a little less judgment about why a woman would consider this painful choice and a little more compassion.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:10 pmC’mon johnny, you are 0 for 2.
As fast as Johnintexas ran away, you’d think I was a military recruiter…
*rimshot*
June 1st, 2009 at 10:15 pmJohnintexas Says:
It is a matter of Faith with me that life begins at conception.
And yet the Bible is silent on this issue. Sure, there are references in the Psalms to God knowing us from the time he knit us in our mother’s womb, but no mention of abortion. Women have , when desperate, found a way to accomplish such since we crawled out of our caves, yet no mention in either the old or new testament. I think if He thought it was such a big deal, He’d have mentioned it
June 1st, 2009 at 10:16 pmJohnintexas Says:
My GOD I cannot believe how ignorant you are. STUPIDITY like yours is ALWAYS at the core of conservatism. MORON
June 1st, 2009 at 10:16 pmJohnintexas Says:
20 . . . really? Why awful? The man was a mass murderer. That he was doing his murder legally only proves that the law hadn’t caught up to him yet. It would have. I believe that he was saved a life term in prison.
This comment makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. If what he was doing was legal, then in what way does that prove “that the law hadn’t caught up to him yet”? That expression is used to describe people who broke the law and hadn’t been prosecuted yet. Why would Dr Tiller have had to worry about “a life term in prison” if he wasn’t breaking the law of the United States? No. It makes no sense at all.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:16 pmJohnintexas Says:
He was not a mass murderer. YOU however ARE a liar and a fool not to mention an ignorant bigot and a cowardly punkass troll
June 1st, 2009 at 10:17 pmHey johnnyboy, just remember the next time your having a little fun with yourself, how many potential human beings you are killing. I guess that makes you a killer too.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:18 pmLiberals can never debate without running off to moomy and whining about something . . .
I’ll thank you to leave my “moomy” out of this.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:18 pmConvenient, but both unoriginal and quite jackass-esque.
As a mouth breathing, knuckle-dragging, self-proclaimed fervent O’liar ball-washer, what more would we expect?
June 1st, 2009 at 10:18 pmJohnintexas
My GOD you are ignorant. Hitler never gave up his Catholicism and Mein Kampf is FULL of religious imagry as was much of the Nazi paraphenalia. You are stupid John. Stupid brainwashed and a complete moron
June 1st, 2009 at 10:19 pmPatty – Yes indeed! Tell it like it is!
June 1st, 2009 at 10:21 pmHow about exposing insurance companies that will cover viagra and not birth control!
Johnintexas Says: 101
You are unbelievably stupid. A debate does not start with you saying we are going to frame this according to MY opinion. A debate does NOT start with the other side accepting YOUR stupidity as the reality based line of debate. Here let me start a debate the same way I BELIVE you are an ignorant piece of filth. Ignorant pieces of filth should STFU. YOU should STFU. Lets start our debate from THAT premise MORON
June 1st, 2009 at 10:22 pmOnly a few zygotes manage to implant on the uterine wall. 30%-50% of them don’t make it much further.
If there is a god in charge of fertility? He/She performs more abortions, every few minutes, than “abortionists” have in all human history.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:23 pmJohn, while I understand you have a lot of posts being thrown at you (with your rhetoric, rightfully so), try to get around to responding to mine.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:23 pmPatty,
June 1st, 2009 at 10:24 pmRight. Why do conservatives vote against providing healthcare for babies? Every other developed country in the world has healthcare for babies!
ohnintexas Says:
It is a matter of Faith with me that life begins at conception, that no human is entitled to take another’s life, and therefore, abortion is wrong.
Or, I’ll even simplify it for you in the form of a logical syllogism:
(I believe that) Abortion is murder
Murder is wrong
Therefore, (I believe that) abortion is wrong
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When your daughter or mother or a female friend is raped and gets preganet by the rapist or catches some disease, I’ll bet your sorry ass would be marching to a differnet beat you phuckig moron.
PRO-CHOICE, PRO-CHOICE!!!!
June 1st, 2009 at 10:28 pmShould one-third of US women be executed for murder?
June 1st, 2009 at 10:32 pmBilldo and the rest of these wingnuts dont give a sht about unborn children. In their twisted minds their thinking that 60,000 potential service men and women wont be here to fight in another unnecessary war. The pro-lifers should be in an adoption agency instead of holding up signs in front of a clinic that supports a womans free choice to do whats best for her. Mind your own damn business.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:32 pmJohnisapuppet says life begins at conception. Well since approximately 1 out of 3 pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion I guest God is an abortionist or murder as they call him. Why should we worship somebody who ends one out of three lives?
June 1st, 2009 at 10:35 pmOpen you houses pro-not yet a human folks. We’ll bring you tons of mis-carrage,unwanted,deformed,dieing guey messes you call humans. Killing for Jesus?…he and his dad said not to kill. Get real.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:35 pmJune 1st, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Haven’t you heard, it’s because they believe it’s the woman’s responsibility to not have babies she can’t afford. As somebody pointed out most insurance pays for Viagra while it doesn’t pay for birth control. Teabaggers believe everybody should practice abstinance unless they have a pile of money. Praise the freakin’ lord.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:38 pmWhether or not Hitler was a Christian, Catholic, Jew or Muslim is moot. Lets say he was an atheist. Ok.
He still used faith as a means to fulfill hos agenda. We know that politicians, in general, are not to be trusted.
Has it occured to you, JIT, that some talking heads, pundits are using your faith for ratings and profiteering?
June 1st, 2009 at 10:40 pmJohnintexas Says: “(Hitler) competed with Christ for the German people’s affection.”
This is known as a messianic complex.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:40 pmWhich is one step further down into the black hole of the Abrahamic fiction.
Hitler was the same kind of Christian that you are Johnboysucks.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:40 pmThat’s one obtuse troll!
The madman, Hitler, used the same huckster’s trick as every messianic figure in history. Whether they believe their BS, or not, they convince their audiences, and themselves, that they have a divine license for what they do.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:40 pmBut you believe you believe in God or Christ. Got irony? I hope there is a Hell because there will be a special place reserved for people who hate and praise murderers like you do.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:42 pmsscncturn64 Says:
Billdo and the rest of these wingnuts dont give a sht about unborn children.
True, and they care even less about those already born. This is a bit OT, but you know those anti-abortion pins of the little feet? I think the idea is that one should inquire about them so that the sanctimonious wearer can mention that the pin represents the feet of a “baby” aborted. I want to see some fundies sporting pins depicting enormous teenager feet, to represent the children left in poverty and ignorance due to their unwillingness to fund programs to change their condition. Maybe the test of a righteous society is how we behave when the feet are no longer cute.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:43 pmInteresting… johnintexas dismisses the actual words of the man and leans instead on a historian’s analysis of the validity of the man’s claim to a belief in Christianity.
Only problem is, X never claimed that Hitler believed he was doing Christ’s work (which is the charge of a Christian). X made the point that Hitler believed he was doing GOD’S work. And the written word of his his most famous and influential work backs up X. As does Hitler’s well-known psychological profile as a megalomaniac.
Okay, so it’s not the only problem with johnintexas’s argument. But it is a pretty severe one.
And johnintexas thought he was going to win a debate. ouch.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:43 pmMost trolls say we don’t understand Limbaugh but this moron says we don’t understand Hitler. Really, what’s the difference?
June 1st, 2009 at 10:44 pmAlways found it strange that if Hitler wasn’t a Catholic, why the Catholic church observed Hitlers birthday all the way to the end of the war. Seems pretty strange for a hertic.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:44 pmBecause repugs do not really care about babies — they care about control. Control of women in particular.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:45 pmIf they cared about women (and girls) they would support sex education in schools, condoms and contraceptives available to all sexually mature females, and advocate for prenatal health care that produces better chances for healthy babies, and they would provide health care for well-babies as well as sick children.
Perhaps that is so, perhaps not. The real question is why did so many people follow Hitler? If I heard anyone speaking, railing, spit flying, as Hitler did, I would have walked out of the room. Hitler was obviously using peoples faith for empowerment. I think that many pundits do the same for ratings and profits. Politicians use faith for votes.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:46 pmNobody should be surprised by O’Reilly’s bizarre rationalizations.
Glenn Beck explained all of this a few weeks ago. In his words, since he along with O’Reilly, Hannity, and most of the other clowns on FOX News are neither investigative reporters nor journalists (”I’m a commentator”), he implies that they are therefore not beholden to journalistic integrity and ethics and are free to make crap up.
So it’s okay for O’Reilly to call Tiller a “baby killer”, claim that “hell will have a special place for him”, and compare abortion doctors to Nazis. Clearly no opinion has been injected, no hyperbole, just the facts. Right?
If O’Reilly was required be factually accurate in his “commentaries”, he would be speechless.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:46 pmThe catholic church didn’t do much to hinder hitler.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:46 pmHe was doing some of their “god’s work” for them.
Whaddya say, JohninTexas? How willing have you been to open your home, heart and wallet to share God’s love with pregnant women? And how ’bout that baby with a laundry list of special needs that will require constant appointments, prescriptions, treatments, therapy, special ed, and hospitalizations? You offering to help out there, too?
June 1st, 2009 at 10:46 pmHitler manipulated desperate into thinking he was delivering a Message from God to take revenge for the Crucifixion of Jesus.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:47 pmI really love it when trolls who are so obviously ill-equipped for real debate convince themselves that they are of superior intellect.
It’s almost Shakespearean in its comic richness.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:47 pmu want to kill a baby, you hire Tiller. You’ve got to pay him $5,000 up front, and he’ll kill the baby.”
– “No question Dr. Tiller has blood on his hands.”
– “Dr. George Tiller destroys fetuses for just about any reason, right up until the birth date.”
– “This man executes babies that are about to be born.”
– “This is the kind of stuff happened in Mao’s China, Hitler’s Germany, Stalin’s Soviet Union.”
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O’Reilly has pushed the enveloped to far, and someone is dead because of his rantings. The abortion issue has been reduced to a set of inflammatory “talking points” without any regard to the reverence this topic truly deserves.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:51 pmO’Reilly, a man is dead in the name of your version of prolife. You are truly pathetic!
it is hard to see that he was referring to the same God worshipped by Christians.
Only hard to see for the Christian Taliban apologists.
HI!
June 1st, 2009 at 10:51 pmWell said Ralph. I am not so good at words as Ralph, but that is my basic point.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:52 pmThis man, I hesitate to call him a man, should be in jail. He is a disgrace to American values, a vile hatemonger, a sex offender, and a shameless propagandist. It’s way past time for his career to be over and someone to put him where he belongs, in prison. You’ll never see me posting flattering pictures of him on my blog or calling him cute names. F him.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:55 pmAn interesting thought. if you ignore the fact he WAS arrested, tried and ACQUITTED in a court of law by a jury of his peers. OOPSIE.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:55 pmDNFP flagged for post #43
June 1st, 2009 at 10:56 pmWhile it is horrible to see anybody murdered, his death will lead to less babies being killed. Late term abortions are extremely ugly. These babies have brain activity, a heart beat, and are an innocent life. To provide abortions at such a late time during the pregnancy truly is tragic.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:56 pmO’Reilly should have backpedaled..but his ego resists.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:56 pmOne of the dirty little secrets of the Catholic Church and World War II is that Hitler drew a lot of his ideas regarding Jews from the Church. They, in turn, helped to get Nazi leaders out of Germany when it fell.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:57 pmFrank Shaefer tells how he and others of the so called religious right have created these monsters at the Huffington Post.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Nobody performs late term abortions for no reason. You idiots keep believing the propganda.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:58 pmCP Says:
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Thank you very much, flight
June 1st, 2009 at 10:58 pmDNFP flagged for post #43
So? I’ve been flagging off-topic trolling/name-calling/thread jacking/etc, and the MORONS at TP seem unable or uncaring to do anything.
Anyway, was just giving an example of God’s faggot-ness, that’s all.
If you’re offended, take it up with him, I was merely receiving his kind gesture (seriously, who’d turn down a hummer from the almighty?)
June 1st, 2009 at 10:59 pmJohnintexas Says:
74 . . . get lost? Don’t think so pal.
So you want to debate me? OK, sounds dangerous, count me in.
As long as you don’t pretend to be a Christian, fine. But a Christian would know that this kind of arrogance has nothing to do with the Gospels, and a Christian would know that you cannot sit in judgment of someone else and determine that murder is OK. If the doctor has offended God, then it is God who will sit in judgment of him, not you, and not some manic assassin.
And a Christian would occasionally find something to quote from the Bible other than Leviticus. You’re just another angry human who drapes himself in the cloak of the just and takes the name of the Christ in vain.
Your judgment day will come too, you hypocrite.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:59 pmYou are entitled to that faith. But you are not entitled to have that faith codified into our nation’s laws.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:00 pmThere is “No question O’Reilly has blood on his hands.”
Dr. Tiller’s death is very disturbing especially when O’Reilly and Faux News promoted the killing. What a sick and demented person O’Reilly is.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:01 pmAre you kidding, they wouldn’t pay another 1% in taxes to keep children insured and healthy. They don’t care about life they only care about keeping Republicans in office.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:02 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
I really love it when trolls who are so obviously ill-equipped for real debate convince themselves that they are of superior intellect.
I have a minor quibble, ralph. This particular troll recognizes it’s ignorance and guards it like a badge of honor. He’s so convinced that intellectuals are evil that he would never claim the title. He’s an “anti-intellectual” in the purest form.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:03 pmI, respectfully, disagree. Abortions will simply go underground and unreported. The problem is not that doctors perform abortion, but why women seek them. Is it about money? Cheating? Family concerns? Career aspects? Etc etc etc.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:04 pmFox promoted the killing of Dr. Tiller just like they promote the assasination of President Obama with all the lies they tell about him. Why do you think they promote the lie that he’s going to take guns away from people. They want somebody to shoot him. Read Frank Shaefer, he was on Rachel tonight saying they’re using buzz words to get somebody to take a shot.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:04 pmAnd perhaps as well their boyfriends want the woman to have one?
June 1st, 2009 at 11:04 pmI just realized this post was written by Amanda. Excellent, that will really get Bildo’s diapers in a bundle.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:07 pmAnd really, I have to ask myself, even though I am male, would I want to bring a child into this world as biased and hateful and war prone as it is? With the drugs and the corruption? Gang bangers, just teens, killing each other? With TV shows that profit from violence?
Its why I am for people having a choice.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:08 pm…and if you think spending your time here arguing with 2 or 3 immature trolls DAILY is affecting a “progressive change” in society, you are sadly, sorely mistaken.
Discussing progressive ideas and agendas is what brought me here 3 years ago. Arguing with or witnessing the 13 year old style of blogging is downright reprehensible for a self-proclaimed “progressive” website who tries to be taken seriously.
Their unwillingness to enact worthwhile changes to preserve the sanctity of the ideas expressed within their blog is turning me away, and turning the entire site into a immature, foul-mouthed, ineffective waste of band-width to the online community as a whole.
In other words, they haven’t handled their shift into the spotlight like a professional outfit and they’re losing the war of righteousness simply on moral grounds at this point.
Until they right the ship, I’m likely to go “off” in a postal kind of way once in a while.
I’m a bad, bad boy…
June 1st, 2009 at 11:09 pmO’Reilly:
Finally, if these people are soooo compassionate — so very compassionate, so concerned for the rights and welfare of others — maybe they might have written something, one thing, about the 60,000 fetuses that will never become American citizens. Or am I wrong?
First of all, you are always wrong Bill. Secondly, what the hell? So, you’re OK with European abortions, Bill?
June 1st, 2009 at 11:10 pmPeople like johnintexas believe in a god that is against abortion. Why does your god let little boys and girls get molested,brutally raped and murdered,and other children go to bed hungry?
June 1st, 2009 at 11:11 pmAlso how many times have we heard about men serving god that molest children. Thats not much of a life for these children is it john?
All good points. In fact, a Christian wouldn’t even be quoting Leviticus as a binding doctrine, since Leviticus is a book from the Torah, and is binding for the Jews, not Christians.
He’s in the wrong book. If he claims to be a Christian, then he needs to quote from the New Testament, not the old one.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:12 pmWhen will Bill-O write one thing, one thing, about the atrocities of war.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:12 pmbraxton Says:
While it is horrible to see anybody murdered, his death will lead to less babies being killed. Late term abortions are extremely ugly.
No. It will not result in fewer abortions. Women who would have had him perform the procedure will find someone else.
And, for the record, the late term abortions he performed were due to medical necessity. He was also a vocal proponent of birth control that would have reduced the number of pregnancies.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:12 pmSomeone needs to pick up where Al Franken left off and continue to refute each of O’Reilly’s lies, point by point. I wince everytime one of his false statements goes unchallenged.
His four year campaign of lies and smears against Dr. Tiller puts him beneath contempt.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:13 pm***
dr. langer is a fraud.
nice try tex.
:)
mmm, nice lunch.
;0
June 1st, 2009 at 11:13 pmThe “morning after pill” is widely available now too Jebus freaks.
Guess the fundamentally deranged fundamentalists will have to start bombing Walgreens, Target, WalMart (oh no!), etc…
Phucking idiots…
June 1st, 2009 at 11:16 pmWAYNEBRO Says: “If he claims to be a Christian, then he needs to quote from the New Testament, not the old one.”
The New Testament makes him uncomfortable, all that love your fellow man, tolerance, and peace stuff,
He likes all the bloody Old Testament vengeance and wrathfullness.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:17 pmbraxton Says:
While it is horrible to see anybody murdered, his death will lead to less babies being killed.
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Not to mention more mothers dying from difficult pregnancies that should have been aborted for the sake of the mother’s life!!!!
June 1st, 2009 at 11:17 pm132.Johnintexas Says: 105 . . . guess I’m not leaving . . . Hey, pal, no problem . . . you pull your little quotes from Mein Kampf . . . a book written specifically to convince a CHRISTIAN german nation that Hitler was doing God’s work . . . and I’ll pull mine from Edward Bartless-Jones
My hand is getting sore from slapping you around, tex-ass!
The first quote was from Mein Kampf, the second was a speech delivered by Hitler himself.
So not only does your pretentious attempt to supplant direct quotes with biased, unsourced analysis utterly fails, but your attack reveals that you didn’t actually read the post. That makes you 0 for 3. I’ll add another point for your sheer stupidity. 0 for 4.
In fact, I can be quite acerbic with pretentious know-it-alls who are out of their depth . . . teaches them a good lesson, I think. Makes them better prepared the next time.
Quick, better get in all your boasting about your superior swordsmanship…before you bleed to death from all the stab wounds…
June 1st, 2009 at 11:17 pmXisithrus Says: And really, I have to ask myself, even though I am male, would I want to bring a child into this world as biased and hateful and war prone as it is?
Because you still have hope for the ultimate triumph of good over evil? Or maybe because you simply have faith that humans will strive to better themselves and your child will be a positive force, no matter how small, for advancing the condition of all humanity. Or, maybe, you get want to hold something perfectly innocent in your arms, and stand as a buffer against the world’s corruption? For all that life and people are brutal, both are capable of moments of such blinding elemental beauty that all of us want to affirm that creation should continue to unfold.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:21 pmpete Says:
He was also a vocal proponent of birth control that would have reduced the number of pregnancies.
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According to the truly deranged, ultra-hardcore fundies, even using a condom is tantamount to murder. ANY KIND of birth control… is murder.
Would that make Larry Craig a serial killer?
And given their complete lack of social skills and vapid personalities, almost all of our trolls are assuredly guilty of repeat offenses…
Mass murderers… everyone of them.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:21 pmIt’s not really a question of Hitler’s supposed “Christianity” there Heinrich. Most people understand that Hitler was a Christian like George W Bush was a Christian.
When it suited his needs. In fact, a close study of Hitler shows he also drew his bile from the writings of Nietzsche, a devout atheist.
This isn’t a question of his religion, or lack thereof, but of his bigotry, and intolerance for all who did not share his views, and his sanction of murder for the same. Much like you demonstrate here on this thread. Bigotry is not relegated to any specific belief system or lack of belief system. It transcends all boundaries, creeds, beliefs and orientations.
It’s evil, and guys like you spread it like wildfire.
But if you want to get technical about the role of religion in the third Reich, then you might want to listen to some of Goebell’s speeches, which catered to the religious zeal of the masses to sell their “holy war”. And if you doubt me, you might take a look at the inscription on the belt buckle of every Wehrmacht soldier in the German army.
It reads, “Gott Mit Uns“, which translated means “God is With Us”.
:|
Beat that with a stick.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:22 pmwow.
tex,
forgot your lunch?
:)
;0
June 1st, 2009 at 11:24 pmPeople, I think are basically good, and it troubles me that so many let so few toy with their emotions.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:34 pmJohnnyBoy must of found a Pron site while surfing for his Intellect for this *cough* debate.
pathetic tool
June 1st, 2009 at 11:37 pmThis is just awful.
The amount of violence the far right is willing to condone is frightening.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:38 pmI’m never going to listen to an anti-abortion person unless they’re also pro-comprehensive-sex-education and pro-contraception. All they mean by “anti-abortion” is “pro-criminalizing abortion.” All other avenues towards reducing the number of abortions performed, they are against. They don’t give a crap about the fetuses, they just want to control women.
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johnintexas Says:
It is a matter of Faith with me that life begins at conception
1) It is a matter of fact where life begins.
2) When “life” begins vs. whether personhood begins are two different issues.
3) You can’t enforce your “matters of faith” on somebody else. Move to a theocratic nation if you want to play that.
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Patty Says:
I’d love to see each picketing, shouting, pontificating, judging ‘Merican with opposition to abortion offer to house, feed, arrange medical appointments for, and generally care for pregnant women.
Even if they did offer… would you want somebody with half your DNA being raised by these psychos?
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Keith Says:
Patty,
Right. Why do conservatives vote against providing healthcare for babies? Every other developed country in the world has healthcare for babies!
They don’t give a F what happens to the baby after it’s born. After that they don’t care if it dies in the streets, or makes it barely old enough to be slaughtered in one of their wars.
For conservatives, the value of human life ends at birth.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:39 pmtex,
forgot your lunch?
“moomy” isn’t back yet from her weekend.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:39 pmThe dishes have piled up in the sink, and he’s out of spoons.
He upended his paper plate of microwaved marshmallows topped with cheez-wiz on the keyboard, and now he’s ripping pages out of the new testament trying to clean up the mess.
And what makes you think that pundits arent using your faith for their enrichment? I see televangelists, all the time, use peoples faith.
Why, what was his name, Scanlon, and Reed, they used peoples faith, wackos they called them, to get them to get out and vote for something, anything, so as to cause controversy which would obfuscate and allow other complex legislation so as to slide it under the peoples nose.
Pundits dont report on current legislation, they create controversy, look over here, and then kick you in the nuts over there.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:40 pmRandomChaos, are they anything like porn sites?
June 1st, 2009 at 11:40 pmThat’s quite a racket this man has going. A man gets shot in cold blood so Bill O’Reilly and his viewers are all victims now.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:42 pmYou know playing the reactive victim is the tactic of a sociopath.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:42 pmKeith,
June 1st, 2009 at 11:43 pmI here they are the same ;-)
Hear
June 1st, 2009 at 11:44 pmDARVO [Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim/Offender]
Its what many rapists do.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:44 pmAs God, created and controller of all of the Universe and everything that happens, life, death, birth
When I create life, I dont someone imitating me trying to play God like Tiller did and killing my creations.
So with nary a thought, karma was done and God rejoices. Death is part of life, that’s the way I created it.
For those who support killing babies and have hatred towards your fellow man. I have a special place for you once your heart stops and its not in my kingdom in the afterlife
You are all damned and I will work my unfathomable powers you cant comprehend to make sure you live a hell on earth. You will never find happiness, never hold a good job, never have a happy relationship and many more surprises I have in store for you as I control all
~God
June 1st, 2009 at 11:47 pmWhats up Brotha Bill? Did you and your wife work things out?
June 1st, 2009 at 11:48 pmSo much for hell…so what family will I be /reincarnated in?
June 1st, 2009 at 11:50 pm196. ElBruce Says: I’m never going to listen to an anti-abortion person unless they’re also pro-comprehensive-sex-education and pro-contraception. All they mean by “anti-abortion” is “pro-criminalizing abortion.” All other avenues towards reducing the number of abortions performed, they are against. They don’t give a crap about the fetuses, they just want to control women.
That extends, in my opinion, to the problem of starving masses. Feeding people does little to stem the problem if they just go on producing more mouths to feed because of ignorance of the mechanisms that lead to overpopulation.
The ability to have sex education and planned parenthood, as well as contraception, will enable far less stress on land that cannot support villages with population explosions and periods of famine.
The church and religious diktats undermine this effort at every opportunity.
The church would have people ignorant of birth control and the ability to choose to limit the size of families, thereby increasing the chances and frequency of famines and suffering from over-populated regions.
The church has a wealth of sins to answer for…
June 1st, 2009 at 11:52 pmTo the Tiller family. Sue the HELL out of him and fake news. That’s the only language they understand.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:53 pmYou will never find happiness, never hold a good job, never have a happy relationship and many more surprises I have in store for you as I control all
~God
But I am generally happy, thanks!! And ya know, I dont mind digging holes and fixing pipes, working in the great outdoors, why people pay to sit in saunas ans sweat and I get that for free!!
June 1st, 2009 at 11:53 pmJohnintexas Says:
It is a matter of Faith with me that life begins at conception.
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Believe what you want, mushbrain. You can believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny as well and that is your choice. The law does not agree with you religious fundamentalist taliban. When do you get a birth certificate? Do fetuses have names? Roe vs Wade is the law of the land and each of these cases is a seperate and private decision not for hateful hypocrites to decide. Go read your Bible and see what Jesus said about tolerance and then murder. You terrorist b@stards are the ones who are going to burn in hell for your hate and murder of innocent law abiding citizens. Now suck on that @zz wipe.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:54 pmHey, if they are truly weeping over all these unborn citizens, aren’t they missing something? How many women have miscarriages and stillbirths? My baby (I call it “my baby” because I was in my eight month of pregnancy and I intended to carry full-term) was stillborn, and while I was in the hospital, every nurse told me that she had also lost a baby for reasons no one could explain.
People used to wait until the christening to name their babies because there was a risk of the baby dying in it’s first few months. Still, the U.S. has a pretty high rate of infant mortality for a Western industrial nation.
Where is the crusade for prenatal care and research on health during pregnancy? How many toxins are there in our environment that are a threat to neonatal health?
June 1st, 2009 at 11:56 pm205. God Says: As God, created [sic] and controller of all of the Universe and everything that happens, life, death, birth
When I create life, I dont someone imitating me trying to play God like Tiller did and killing my creations.
And God brings more typos. I guess the celestial proofreader/spellchecker was off tonight.
Notwithstanding the fact that since God is all and we are God, the Kingdom being within each of us, Tiller was just acting in God’s capacity. So, how can God damn God?
June 1st, 2009 at 11:56 pmGOD, please dont make me like Limbaugh. He has a big house, a jet, expensive cars and cigars, but is a lonely, cynical, biased person who found solace in drugs.
Please GOD never make me like that!!
June 1st, 2009 at 11:57 pmWell Johnintexas, I’m glad to see that since you’re pro-life, you’ll support health care for everyone, especially children. I hope you send letters to Governor Perry concerning CHIP. After all, one must be consistent to label oneself with such a high and mighty term! See you in the streets when we protest the next war!
June 1st, 2009 at 11:57 pmThat filthy b*stard O’Reilly needs to drop dead.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:58 pmGod Says:
As God, created and controller of all of the Universe and everything that happens, life, death, birth
When I create life, I dont someone imitating me trying to play God like Tiller did and killing my creations.
So with nary a thought, karma was done and God rejoices. Death is part of life, that’s the way I created it.
For those who support killing babies and have hatred towards your fellow man. I have a special place for you once your heart stops and its not in my kingdom in the afterlife
You are all damned and I will work my unfathomable powers you cant comprehend to make sure you live a hell on earth. You will never find happiness, never hold a good job, never have a happy relationship and many more surprises I have in store for you as I control all
~God
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June 1st, 2009 at 11:59 pmBut, GOD, I do want to thank you for keeping greedy wealthy people, like O’Reilly, out of heaven.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:00 am205. God Says:When I create life, I dont someone imitating me trying to play God like Tiller did and killing my creations. For those who support killing babies and have hatred towards your fellow man. I have a special place for you once your heart stops and its not in my kingdom in the afterlife
So God….I guess gw bush will be going to your ’special place’ since he personally ordered the deaths of hundreds of thousands of your creations….children….
Yes?
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:00 amWho knew marshmallows and cheez-whiz could be psychotropic?
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:01 amIf women could confirm paternity in utero, a lot of men would STFU about abortion. Say, o.k. my pregnancy is your child and you are as responsible for it as a child during this pregnancy as I am.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:01 amThose of you that think Bill O’Reilly bears blame for the cold blooded murder of this man, in my opinion are wrong. Bill O’Reilly is against the brutal murder of a child just prior to birth. I am sure all of you that condemn O’Reilly are familiar with the process of pulling the baby’s legs out of the birth canal but not the head (that would be a baby at that point) and shoving scissors into its brain stem to kill it. http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/diagram.Html) Both acts are clearly murder. Abortion being murder at various terms is debatable but in my opinion late term abortion is a horrible murder just as is the cold blooded murder of a man that performs murder himself. He was one of three doctors in the country (according to evil Fox News) that are willing to carry out this tragedy, but murder is not the answer and this murderer (terrorist if you like, he may have been trying to terrorize the other doctors by this murder) should face our justice system. Should he get the death penalty? We may disagree on that one. I would say yes.
Who has ever said something negative about the US military here? Do you feel responsible for one of the no doubt many murders that occurred today. This one in particular of a military recruiter in Arkansas. What, you think maybe they deserved it because they killed people in Iraq? Nope, just out of basic…
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/06/army-recruiter-killed-in-ark-muslim-convert-held.html
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:01 amThose cowards at http://www.operationrescue.com have their comment and contact features turned off.
Filthy murdering cowards.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:02 amGod rejoices.
You are a blasphemer if you’re a Christian…who hides behind the anonymity of the computer. If you think we’re too stupid enough to actually fall for your stunt, then perhaps you should look in the mirror…
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:03 am#
Xisithrus Says:
Whats up Brotha Bill? Did you and your wife work things out?
lol, yeah actually we did, she’s moving back over from Australia in 2 months.
I quit drinking so that’s why I havent been on lately and she is happy enough about that to try and work it out.
Plus, I am making a website touting baclofen as a cure for alcoholism Should be able to make some major $$$$ with setting an overseas online pharmacy to supply it. Stuff works, I have zero cravings for alcohol.
SO instead of hanging out here. Ive been on some chatboards givign alcoholics hope with my treatment regimen. Already some success stories and going to put them on my website
Whats up with you
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:03 amContrarian_here Says:
Those of you that think Bill O’Reilly bears blame for the cold blooded murder of this man, in my opinion are wrong. Bill O’Reilly is against the brutal murder of a child just prior to birth. I am sure all of you that condemn O’Reilly are familiar with the process of pulling the baby’s legs out of the birth canal but not the head (that would be a baby at that point) and shoving scissors into its brain stem to kill it. http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/diagram.Html) Both acts are clearly murder. Abortion being murder at various terms is debatable but in my opinion late term abortion is a horrible murder just as is the cold blooded murder of a man that performs murder himself. He was one of three doctors in the country (according to evil Fox News) that are willing to carry out this tragedy, but murder is not the answer and this murderer (terrorist if you like, he may have been trying to terrorize the other doctors by this murder) should face our justice system. Should he get the death penalty? We may disagree on that one. I would say yes.
Who has ever said something negative about the US military here? Do you feel responsible for one of the no doubt many murders that occurred today. This one in particular of a military recruiter in Arkansas. What, you think maybe they deserved it because they killed people in Iraq? Nope, just out of basic…
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/06/army-recruiter-killed-in-ark-muslim-convert-held.html
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god?
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June 2nd, 2009 at 12:04 amI never said blame, I think he helped to incite such acts. Just as Hannity’s book, I think, helped to push Adkisson over the edge, who walked into a church and shot people.
People take television, and pundits, all to seriously.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:06 am222. Contrarian_here Says: Those of you that think Bill O’Reilly bears blame for the cold blooded murder of this man, in my opinion are wrong. Bill O’Reilly is against the brutal murder of a child just prior to birth.
Incitement to violence is against the law, particularly when the target is operating legally.
Tell you what, you post where you work and what you do. If anyone comes by and disapproves based not on the law, but their faith, by your logic, they can commit any act of retributive violence upon your person for any violations whatsoever.
Go ahead. Post where to find you for evaluation….
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:06 amUn-Flipping-Believable!
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:07 amXisithrus Says:
As God, created and controller of all of the Universe and everything that happens, life, death, birth
So much for hell…so what family will I be /reincarnated in?
I am going to put in a good word about you with umm, myself!
You are going to be rich and famous in your next like, you will be brought back as:…
The next Oprah! You
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:08 amThat may its mother that’s moving back, or a character in soap opera, but brothabill is a fat, greasy teenager.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:08 amHis daddy ain’t drinking, but he smacks him around and calls him names.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:09 amLets take those who convince others that when they get to heaven they will have seventy virgins waiting for them…are they responsible for the fool that strapped bombs to their bodies?
O’Reilly, and those like him, do pretty much the same thing. Roeder was likely convinced he would be doing GODs work…by killing those who were demonized on the TV
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:09 amrepublicans hate facts Says:
Ah, speaking of DOMESTIC TERRORISTS, I can see brothabill the Teabagistan MORON is here…
You still have never answered my queries on whether you have a job or held one longer than a week
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:10 amHmmm, guilty *slams gavel*
God Says:
Xisithrus Says:
As God, created and controller of all of the Universe and everything that happens, life, death, birth
So much for hell…so what family will I be /reincarnated in?
I am going to put in a good word about you with umm, myself!
You are going to be rich and famous in your next like, you will be brought back as:…
The next Oprah! You
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are you for jesus too?
:)
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:10 amOff topic alert – Xisithrus you mentioned America’s fiat currency in a previous post. What are your thoughts on local currencies (Berkshires, Ithica Hours, …, etc?
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:11 amWell, at least I would have more viewers than Bill-O
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:12 amContrarian_here Says:
Off topic alert – Xisithrus you mentioned America’s fiat currency in a previous post. What are your thoughts on local currencies (Berkshires, Ithica Hours, …, etc?
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if you knew what you were talking about i’d answer you. but as you you only care for onanism and maynaisse i’ll leave you on you island of pretentiousness.
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stop before you go blind.
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June 2nd, 2009 at 12:15 amDon’t sugar coat it LA, tell us how you really feel. :=)
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:16 amJohnintexas, I’m not going to let you shift the debate to whether abortion is morally wrong or not.
Here is my question…What do you think of this act of domestic terrorism and do you consider it as such?
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:16 amXisithrus (the next Oprah)
O’Reilly has like almost 4E6 viewers. You’re gonna be a hit.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:17 amContrarian_here, I can’t speak for Xisithrus, but I do know the Berkshire is an incredibly tasty hog.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:19 amI did. And I dont recall Ithaca Hours being backed by anything more than the dollar is.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:19 amAbsolutely, O’Reilly and others like him are just like Osama bin Laden. They are cowards that encourage others to sacrifice themselves for their own power.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:21 amHow did I miss the reductio ad Nazium? One of the first things Hitler did was outlaw abortion. Got to keep those blue-eyed babies coming.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:22 amAll right, Shayne – you asked for it….
That filthy b*stard O’Reilly needs to drop dead.
That filthy b*stard O’Reilly needs to drop dead — NOW.
I hate that loathesome POS.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:22 amXisithrus says:
I never said blame, I think he helped to incite such acts. Just as Hannity’s book, I think, helped to push Adkisson over the edge, who walked into a church and shot people.
Are you helping to incite violence against O’Rielly and Hannity by solidifying peoples’ distain for them?
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:24 amThe problem is, I think, that ithaca currency, can be, like the dollar, printed into existence with no work
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:26 amAh, a loaded question. Have I called O’Reilly a murderer? No.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:29 amContrarian_here comes here justifying the murder of the doctor and then wants to chit chat. WTF is wrong with these morons.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:32 amFirst I watch O sometimes and I think he does pretty good. Sometimes he is argumentative. I try to watch Olberman sometimes and I have to cringe. I mean who is he to name the worst person in the world? What a pinhead ; D
I have no problem with peoples’ religious beliefs (or anti religious beliefs, or non) We will all die eventually and some want to have some insight into what comes next. I would never attempt to persuade or disuade a person from believing or not. That is not my call. No one can prove or disprove the theory of a higher power. I am not sure I am a bible-quack. I am still learning to read, so give me time. I believe in a higher power. I try to think and question. Are you one of those Big Bang worshipers? No you’re probably a multi-verser collision person.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:39 amYes. It certainly looks like a conspiracy to me.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:39 amO’Reilly is a selfish, egomaniac who will always hide behind his utter crap until a producer or one of the higher-ups at Fox News levels a command for Old Yeller to stop, drop and bark a new tune.
Then again, how do you also stop the mad ravings of a Glenn Beck who faux douses a fellow Fox News employee in “gasoline” as a gesture as to what Barack Obama is going to do to America?
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:40 amYou’re such a doodlebug.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:41 amContrarian_here Says:
What a pinhead ; D
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Apparently the concept of “Irony” is lost on you completely.
You are SOOOOOOOOOO correct… my little pinhead… Olbermann naming the Worst Person in the World is FAAAAAAAR more obnoxious and O’Reilly defending torture or cpmparing Tiller to Hitler…
***eyes roll…***
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:42 amC’mon Contrarian_here, just post where you are and what you do.
Let’s see if it jibes with my faith. Let’s see if you agree that it gives me absolute and sweeping right-of-faith to act as I and my faith dictate to be morally correct.
Obviously the law is not a consideration. If I don’t agree with your occupation, I can blamelessly slam you in any public forum with no consequences from you, since I’m acting on faith and what I believe.
I can call you a murderer, or worse, by your vision of acceptability, nay obligation to my religious tenets regardless of the rule of law. My followers and I may visit and harass you, with no legal interference, since you’ve deemed those irrelevant to a faithful commitment to belief.
C’mon…
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:43 amBill0, and others, ordered a hit on Dr. Tiller because he obeyed his Hippocratic oath and helped his patients. Bill0,and others, actively promote the assassination of those they disagree with, or can’t comprehend. Bill0 is alive and Dr. Tiller is dead.
How the Hell can ANYONE call Bill0 the victim?
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:44 amDoodlebug Shayne Says:
WTF is wrong with these morons.
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He’s just playing a game, Shayne.
Clearly he hasn’t got anything serious to say.
Just a tweaker flaming threads because it gives him such a pleasant throbbing sensation in his trousers.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:44 amOh man, I feel good tonight…….my son called me to tell me again (only the second time in 31 years) to thank me for talking his mother out of aborting him back in the day. In an e-mail to follow was the usual 10 plus pictures of my newest 6 month old granddaughter which I will be seeing soon. Life is great!
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:45 amYou’re mistaking us for people who give a sh#t what you idiots think.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:45 amI am definitely more of a Glenn Beck fan than an O’Reilly fan. Talk amongst yourselves. I’m verklempt.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:47 amContrarian_here Babbles:
No one can prove or disprove the theory of a higher power.[...] Are you one of those Big Bang worshipers?
So, the belief in a higher power becomes a theory and the scientific explanation of the origin of the universe if a “worship”.
What a strange, bizarre parallel world you live in. You just have no idea which way is up or down, do you?
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:48 amchicken and waffles Says:
No proof? SHOCKER! ;)
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And no proof to support your point either… Shocker!!!!!!!!
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:49 amSlappyBastinado Says:
Oh man, I feel good tonight…….my son called me to tell me again (only the second time in 31 years)
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Gee… Slappy… your son calls you TWICE in 31 years?
***thoughtful pause…***
You must have been a hell of a father…
Was he looking for you or avoiding you?
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:50 amYeah, Republicans hate facts : )
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:50 amThank you.
seslisohbet seslichat sesli sohbet sesli chat
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:50 amPeople – I just donated to Planned Parenthood in memory of Dr. George Tiller here:
http://www.plannedparenthood.com
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:51 amContrarian_here Says: I am definitely more of a Glenn Beck fan than an O’Reilly fan. Talk amongst yourselves. I’m verklempt.
No, just a coward. “Chickenarian_here” more like it…
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:53 amFYI – the Big Bang is a theory not a law. Spaghetti anyone?
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:53 amWow! That was a mighty barrage of anti-scientific BS. Luckily, there’s no reason to pick it apart. Anyone who doesn’t believe in green witches can see it. But? It’s deserving of passing comment because of the sheer idiocy.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:53 amIf billdo`s mother was able to see into the future to wittness her son inciting violence and hatred that may have pushed a lunitic to murder. Do you think she would have considered an abortion? This poor excuse of a human being is pathetic. I would love to see some high priced lawyers sue the crap out of billdo and fox news for Dr. Tillers family.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:57 amI don’t think that admitting to being a Becky fan will win you any points among people who have IQ’s above room temperature. He may not be quite as mean as Michael the savage wiener but, he’s a whole lot stupider. He’s a dolt, a moron, a simpleton, a fool.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:59 amThat’s what happens a good for nothing father never pays child support. The kids don’t want to talk to the loser. Yeah his religion told him to talk his girlfriend into keeping the baby but God never told him it was his responsibility to support and care for the child.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:59 amrepublicans hate facts Says:
Scientific *THEORIES* don’t mean what you *THINK* they mean
I suspect the point he’s trying to make is that a scientific theory is somehow less valid than a law.
Goes to show scientific illiteracy runs rampant in wingnutland. Of course, it could be plain ole’ illiteracy, period ;-)
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:59 amI don’t believe in up or down (from where?) only closer, further or zero relative displacement.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:01 amTake a science class and get back to us. If you can find one test to prove that the theory is wrong then the theory no longer is a theory. It would be like asking God to strike you dead and he doesn’t proves there’s no God. But God isn’t a scientific theory because there’s not one test to prove he exists.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:02 amchicken and waffles Says:
No proof God doesn’t exist? SHOCKER!
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And no proof he exists either… SHOCKER!!!!!!
It’s one of the tents of religion, moron…
The existence of God can neither be proven or disproven.
That’s why it’s called “faith”… and not “fact”…
Shocking, isn’t it?
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:02 amThe stupidity of the reich wing show why home schooling and intelligent design both need to be outlawed.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:03 amThat’s just swell, Slappy. If your wife had rejected the emergency care that Dr. Tiller offered? She would have died and your son would not have been born.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:05 amThese teabaggers all claim to be Christians but on the day after one of their terrorist brethren assassinated a doctor in cold blood they’re here not showing remorse but explaining why they feel the assassination is justified. I hope there is a hell for them all to spend eternity in.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:05 amContrarian_here Babbles:
I don’t believe in up or down (from where?) only closer, further or zero relative displacement.
I am not sure if this is your version of humor or a lame attempt at a witty retort, but it’s neither funny nor witty. At all.
And none of your babble in this thread is funny, insightful, or remotely entertaining. Your babble is just that: Babble.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:09 amIt takes a fundy, or other form of lunatic, to defend unabashed murder.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:12 amWait a minute, I need to prove the existence of God but disprove the Big Bang? The quest is to disprove on both accounts. Good night friends see ya around sometime.
My last serious comment: Murder is murder and it is wrong regardless of the motives or beliefs.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:18 amThere is lots of evidence for the Big Bang.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:25 amThere is no evidence for God or any other god.
I think the family has a good case to pursue O’Reilly in court and donate the money to Planned Parenthood.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:26 amWingnuts are against a womans choice to an abortion. Yet their all for the death penalty, their against stem cell research wich can most likely save lives one day. Their also all for owning hand guns and assault rifles wich are manufactured for the sole purpose of killing people. They also see nothing wrong with rightwing talking heads inciting violence and murder. Hypocrits. Go away!
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:26 amContrary, can you prove my six-foot invisible rabbit friend does not exist?
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:31 amSo slappy, when your 6 month old granddaugter turns 14 and some perverted 30 year old man was to get her pregnant your saying that you wouldn`t want her to have the choice to keep the baby or terminate the pregnancy?
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:39 amI don’t believe in purple monkeys but if you say they exist, then show me one and I’ll believe. You have to prove your claims.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:40 amSlappyBastinado Says:
Oh man, I feel good tonight…….my son called me to tell me again (only the second time in 31 years) to thank me for talking his mother out of aborting him back in the day. In an e-mail to follow was the usual 10 plus pictures of my newest 6 month old granddaughter which I will be seeing soon. Life is great!
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did you marry her?
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June 2nd, 2009 at 1:45 amYou don’t need to prove anything, stupid troll. Bill0 has proven, many times, that he incites violence.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:47 amI don’t believe in SlappyBastinado’s children.
Just another useless troll…
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:49 amchicken and waffles Says:
funny how you loons defend terrorists
This might become a classic. All I can say is, WTF?
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:50 amchicken and waffles Says:
funny how you loons defend terrorists
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No proof? SHOCKER!
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:57 amwhat are some of the factual statements O’Reilly has made [...] over the years?
“This is the kind of stuff happened in Mao’s China, Hitler’s Germany, Stalin’s Soviet Union.”
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Huh? Is Orally talking about torture? AGAIN???
Well, then he left one of that list… Bush’s America…
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:59 amchicken and waffles Says:
funny how you loons defend terrorists
You were the one who said the Muslim convert shooter in Arkansas was a liberal.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:00 amsscncturn64 Says:
So slappy, when your 6 month old granddaugter turns 14 and some perverted 30 year old man was to get her pregnant your saying that you wouldn`t want her to have the choice to keep the baby or terminate the pregnancy?
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And ruin Slappy’s only chance at being both the father AND grandfather of the same child?
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:00 amchicken and waffles Says:
loons love em some gitmo detainees!
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slappy says he’s happy
you weren’t aborted.
:)
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:04 amchicken and waffles Says:
loons love em some gitmo detainees!
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This fool is posting just to see how much attention he can get.
There’s no point to this nonsense…
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:14 am.
How ’bout an FCC fine on this one, G-men? Or does Oreally have to show t*tty, or say f**k, first?
Here’s all the latest awful news.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:16 am.
“…Hitler himself, and the Nazi doctrine he created, were unequivocally opposed to any individual right to abortion. In fact, Hitler’s National Socialist Movement preached against and punished contraception, homosexuality, women whose main purpose was not motherhood, men who did not prove their manhood by fathering many children—and anything else that failed to serve the need of preserving and expanding the German state.
A return to a strong family life, women’s primary identity as mothers, tax penalties for remaining single, loans for young married couples and subsidies for childbearing, prohibition of prostitution and homosexuality, contraception, and abortion: all these were issues that the Roman Catholic Church, the Catholic Center Party, and the Nazi Party could agree on. And once Hitler came to power, popularly elected in part by the patriarchal backlash against feminist successes, he delivered on his promise to restore male supremacy.
In 1933, feminists were removed from teaching and other public posts by the same law that removed “non-Aryans” from such jobs. All women were banned from the Reichstag, from judgeships, and from other decision-making posts.
Under Hitler, choosing abortion became sabotage; a crime punishable by hard labor for the woman and a possible death penalty for the abortionist.”—–Gloria Steinem
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:18 amWhat Tiller was doing was legal. The people that oppose Tiller should have used our system for their opposition. Not assassination.
It’s possible that O’Reilly’s rhetoric is in some way responsible for Tiller’s death.
But, the left uses very similar hyperbole and demonization in it’s opposition to some on the right.
If Bush or Cheney were assassinated, conservative pundits could make a similar argument that the drumbeat of demonization generated by the left was the cause.
If O’Reilly’s hyperbole and demonization of Tiller was reckless and causal in Tiller’s assassination, should the left tone down the demonization of Bush and Cheney to prevent a similar occurrence?
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:25 ambackup Says:
What Tiller was doing was legal. The people that oppose Tiller should have used our system for their opposition. Not assassination.
It’s possible that O’Reilly’s rhetoric is in some way responsible for Tiller’s death.
But, the left uses very similar hyperbole and demonization in it’s opposition to some on the right.
If Bush or Cheney were assassinated, conservative pundits could make a similar argument that the drumbeat of demonization generated by the left was the cause.
If O’Reilly’s hyperbole and demonization of Tiller was reckless and causal in Tiller’s assassination, should the left tone down the demonization of Bush and Cheney to prevent a similar occurrence?
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do you wear a mask and a cape?
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June 2nd, 2009 at 2:26 amyes.
and spandex tights with knee high patent leather boots.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:30 amSorry, but I sense a false equivalence here. We have not called for people to go out and assassinate him. Bush was responsible for the deaths of thousands in Iraq on a war based on false intelligence. It’s one thing to call him a murderer and a war criminal. It’s another thing to go out and then use extremist rhetoric consisting of elimination or whatever. Calling Bush and Cheney what they are is not the same as those who talked about justifiable homicide and Dr. Tiller. No one on the left was talking about how it would be justified to assassinate the previous administration. Next!
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:32 ambackup Says:
yes.
and spandex tights with knee high patent leather boots.
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good.
we shouldn’t take you seriously then.
:)
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:32 amUCSBKitty Says:
Sorry, but I sense a false equivalence here. We have not called for people to go out and assassinate him. Bush was responsible for the deaths of thousands in Iraq on a war based on false intelligence. It’s one thing to call him a murderer and a war criminal. It’s another thing to go out and then use extremist rhetoric consisting of elimination or whatever. Calling Bush and Cheney what they are is not the same as those who talked about justifiable homicide and Dr. Tiller. No one on the left was talking about how it would be justified to assassinate the previous administration. Next!
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336.
his costume
belies his message.
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June 2nd, 2009 at 2:35 amWhat I sense here is the other side trying to shift the debate: we’ve seen some try to make a false equivalence between abortion and Dr. Tiller’s murder. We’ve seen some try to shift the debate on whether abortion is morally acceptable, while others have used the “what if the left did the same” defense, like what is used in the playground. The debate should be framed as what can we do to stop these incidents of domestic terrorism and how responsible are those who instigate and stir up hatred when incidents like this happen. How far is going too far when you have rhetoric such as the rhetoric used by Operation Rescue and Bill O’Reilly?
Those who kill in the name of being pro-life are nothing more than domestic terrorists deluded to the point that they see it as justifiable homicide.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:35 amjoe. The costume goes with the territory. When I’m stepping out with the ladies:
http://www.break.com/pictures/princess-hot-chick177986.html
… I can’t just wear regular street garb.
Don’t hate the players…
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:39 amUCSBKitty Says:
What I sense here is the other side trying to shift the debate: we’ve seen some try to make a false equivalence between abortion and Dr. Tiller’s murder. We’ve seen some try to shift the debate on whether abortion is morally acceptable, while others have used the “what if the left did the same” defense, like what is used in the playground. The debate should be framed as what can we do to stop these incidents of domestic terrorism and how responsible are those who instigate and stir up hatred when incidents like this happen. How far is going too far when you have rhetoric such as the rhetoric used by Operation Rescue and Bill O’Reilly?
Those who kill in the name of being pro-life are nothing more than domestic terrorists deluded to the point that they see it as justifiable homicide.
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what about people on the left
who do the same thing every day?
**
and twice on sundays?
the worry me.
and they worry b-cup.
:)
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:40 am…
the = they.
:)
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:40 ambackup Says:
joe. The costume goes with the territory. When I’m stepping out with the ladies:
http://www.break.com/pictures/princess-hot-chick177986.html
… I can’t just wear regular street garb.
Don’t hate the players…
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if you don’t take yourself
seriously neither will anyone else.
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self respect,
pass it on!
:0
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:42 amUCSBKitty.
I’m not saying that Bush or Cheney and Tiller are similar.
What I’m saying is that when people hype up the partisan rhetoric, the possibility that someone will be incited to unlawful violence increases.
People may disagree with Tiller and they may disagree with Cheney or Bush. The answer is not to assassinate them.
If progressives are going to hold O’Reilly accountable for inciting Tiller’s assassin, why wouldn’t they take responsibility not to incite violence against their opponents?
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:46 ambackup Says:
UCSBKitty.
I’m not saying that Bush or Cheney and Tiller are similar.
What I’m saying is that when people hype up the partisan rhetoric, the possibility that someone will be incited to unlawful violence increases.
People may disagree with Tiller and they may disagree with Cheney or Bush. The answer is not to assassinate them.
If progressives are going to hold O’Reilly accountable for inciting Tiller’s assassin, why wouldn’t they take responsibility not to incite violence against their opponents?
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why don’t you take the responsibility
to find out for yourself?
then, when you get an answer to your
question, you could come back here
and tell us all about it.
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June 2nd, 2009 at 2:50 amWanna know the difference, B-kup?
The difference is that we “leftists” say “mean things” about the Reichwhiners while crazed Reichwhiners blow people away.
Ask yourself this question (don’t bother to provide an answer):
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:54 amHow many innocent Americans have been killed by American, right wing, extremists since 9/11?
Sorry, I think there still is a false equivalence you’re trying to project here. When people on the left start dehumanizing others in their rhetoric and then coming up with excuses why people like Dr. Tiller are killed, then come back here. With all due respect, I did not expect you to go the what if liberals did it too route…
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:56 am…
pete,
if b-cup cared he’d be out
there searching for the truth
no matter what it revealed.
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searching,
searching,
searching!
:|
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:57 amUCSBKitty Says:
Sorry, I think there still is a false equivalence you’re trying to project here. When people on the left start dehumanizing others in their rhetoric and then coming up with excuses why people like Dr. Tiller are killed, then come back here. With all due respect, I did not expect you to go the what if liberals did it too route…
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i did.
he does it all the time.
:)
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:58 ambackup Says:
…If progressives are going to hold O’Reilly accountable for inciting Tiller’s assassin, why wouldn’t they take responsibility not to incite violence against their opponents?
Wanna know the difference? The difference is that a large number of people, including Roeder, have acted on the suggestions of Bill0, and the right wing media, and hurt/killed those they disagreed with while I can’t think of a recent case where some “librul” assassinated a Reichwhiner who had been targeted by the “librul media”.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:02 amUCSBKitty.
joe’s right. I do do it all the time.
And you and pete have a point that there aren’t the examples of progressives using the violence. it’s a good point.
But, are you saying that people like O’Reilly can’t use the same rhetoric that progressives do, because the people that listen to him are more likely act on what he says?
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:05 ambackup Says:
UCSBKitty.
joe’s right. I do do it all the time.
And you and pete have a point that there aren’t the examples of progressives using the violence. it’s a good point.
But, are you saying that people like O’Reilly can’t use the same rhetoric that progressives do, because the people that listen to him are more likely act on what he says?
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if he did he’d be a liberal.
how’s the search going?
???
not only “a point”
but “a good point”?
wow.
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June 2nd, 2009 at 3:08 amTo be fair, Joe, ol’ B-kup plays fair compared to most trolls. I’m disappointed that he’s defending such vile crap and hope he’s being flippant. If not? He just dropped a few notches by my scale.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:10 amI do remember blacks (and any whites who helped them) who tried to register to vote in Mississippi being killed. The KKK did lynch at least 3,000. I remember someone at a Palin rally yelling to kill Obama.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:12 ampete Says:
To be fair, Joe, ol’ B-kup plays fair compared to most trolls. I’m disappointed that he’s defending such vile crap and hope he’s being flippant. If not? He just dropped a few notches by my scale.
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his history of racism
will knock him down a few
more notches on your scale.
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June 2nd, 2009 at 3:14 ambackup Says:
And you and pete have a point that there aren’t the examples of progressives using the violence. it’s a good point.
Why is that? It’s because we Modern American Leftists think we can get what we want without violence. I read about a guy called Jesus who thought the same.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:17 ampete. I disagree with O’Reilly.
Tiller was acting lawfully. O’Reilly’s rhetoric was over-the-top. It’s possible that his rhetoric (or similar, from some other pro-life source) contributed to Tiller’s assassination.
That’s not my point.
My point is that I see similar hyperbole and demonization of conservative figures by those on the left. Notably Bush and Cheney.
You make a good point that there are not ready examples of progressives or liberals engaging in acts of violence.
But, trying to justify a double standard based on that, seems problematic.
Although, I’m sure progressives are just as fond of hyperbole and demonization as conservatives are, it seems that the responsible answer would be to tone it down on both sides. Regardless of which side has the greater propensity to act on it.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:18 ambackup Says:
pete. I disagree with O’Reilly.
Tiller was acting lawfully. O’Reilly’s rhetoric was over-the-top. It’s possible that his rhetoric (or similar, from some other pro-life source) contributed to Tiller’s assassination.
That’s not my point.
My point is that I see similar hyperbole and demonization of conservative figures by those on the left. Notably Bush and Cheney.
You make a good point that there are not ready examples of progressives or liberals engaging in acts of violence.
But, trying to justify a double standard based on that, seems problematic.
Although, I’m sure progressives are just as fond of hyperbole and demonization as conservatives are, it seems that the responsible answer would be to tone it down on both sides. Regardless of which side has the greater propensity to act on it.
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bollocks.
:)
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:20 am..By SARAH EL DEEB (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
May 31, 2009 11:18 PM EDT
CAIRO – A 25-year-old Egyptian man cut off his own pen!s to spite his family after he was refused permission to marry a girl from a lower class family, police reported Sunday.
OUCH
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:23 amKeith Says:
..By SARAH EL DEEB (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
May 31, 2009 11:18 PM EDT
CAIRO – A 25-year-old Egyptian man cut off his own pen!s to spite his family after he was refused permission to marry a girl from a lower class family, police reported Sunday.
OUCH
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see b-cup?
keith’s willing to
go outside of the box…
why can’t you?
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June 2nd, 2009 at 3:26 amO’Reilly: “Finally, if these people are soooo compassionate — so very compassionate, so concerned for the rights and welfare of others — maybe they might have written something, one thing, about the 60,000 fetuses that will never become American citizens.”
THEE question to ask O’Reilly:
If he is “soooo compassionate”, why does his hate only extend to doctors who perform the abortion? In his paranoid mind, aren’t the women, themselves, complicit with the procedure?
That’s the question to ask him. Of course, the REAL answer is that if he COULD use those kind of accusations against women, he most certainly would. O’Reilly’s always been a pure political hack. He only uses language that’s politically advantageous.
O’Reilly, the complete hypocrite, pushed for the war in Iraq as much as anyone else, yet he’d never believe that there’s blood on his hands. I don’t think he cares one iota about human life, other than his own. And for him to accuse others of “hating” is so hypocritical that it must look ludicrous even to some on the right.
It’s no coincidence that these violent “pro-life” acts have happened under Democratic Presidencies. The right is incredibly angry, and they will strike out again — in the most destructive (and self-destructive) ways possible.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:26 ambackup says: it seems that the responsible answer would be to tone it down on both sides. Regardless of which side has the greater propensity to act on it.
You are the king of the false equivalency.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:26 amYou and I have had a number of respectful and rewarding exchanges, b-kup. However, I have to second joe’s assessment of “bollocks”.
And, to expand on his assessment, I would like to add that violent “hyperbole” inspires violent actions while nonviolent “hyperbole” does not.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:28 amjoe cantwell, that was an example of taking contraception out of the box.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:29 amKeith.
Everybody’s got their thing.
I’m heading out. Have a great night. (you too, joe).
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:31 ampete. I think the two are more similar than you do, but I understand your point. see ya.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:35 amI hope you’re drunk, b-kup. That was one sorry performance.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:36 amThey couldn’t be more dissimilar, b-kup.
1. Lets kill them.
2. Lets not kill them.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:43 ampete.
what is similar is the rhetoric.
If you look at this thread, O’Reilly hasn’t advocated killing someone. He’s accused Tiller of being a baby killer and having blood on his hands. Progressives also have not advocated killing Cheney or Bush, but they have accused the two of having blood on their hands and killing in Iraq.
Those two types of rhetoric are similar.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:53 amI’m not talking about this thread, or any other, b-kup. And? The rhetoric is not similar. If the rhetoric, or goal, were similar? One would expect an exchange between extremists. This is not the case.
The fact is that every single example of politically motivated violence in recent American history has been perpetrated by Reichwhiners.
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:07 amBACKUP, I find the right-wing more than willing to dehumanize the other, which in this case can be anyone of their opponents as sub-human, immoral, soulless, etc. Once you dehumanize someone, it is easier to commit crimes of violence against them, because dehumanizing them supposedly legitimizes your violence against them, because you deprive them of their humanity.
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:37 amcrimes you would never dream of committing against another human become “okay” because you’ve reduced your opponents to sub-humans.
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:39 amTo honor Doctor Tillman and his work, you might want to read some stories from women he helped.
The voices of all these men are grating.
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:51 amDang.
http://www.aheartbreakingchoice.com/kansas2.html
link
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:53 amChicken and Waffles
Dont you just want to sit down and cry about how stupid and pathetic you are? Do yourself a favor STFU and stop embarassing yourself
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:54 ampete. you have a strong argument with right wing propensity for violence.
That being said, I have difficulty believing that left wing extremists are incapable of violence or have some monopoly on a desire for non-violent resolution.
I believe that what pundits say has, or could have, an effect on the unstable extremists among us.
I think O’Reilly’s characterizations of Tiller went too far. Although, he did not advocate Tiller’s assassination, his characterizations could have affect an unstable would-be assassin to draw a faulty conclusion that Tiller’s assassination was somehow necessary.
But, if that is the case, similar characterizations of Bush and Cheney from progressives could have the same affect.
I don’t believe my suggestion is that controversial. If O’Reilly’s hyperbole and demonization of Tiller is not good for society, maybe other examples of hyperbole and demonization is also not good.
I understand we probably disagree on what is, and is not, hyperbole.
I’m not excusing O’Reilly. I’m trying to suggest that the toxic rhetoric that could have contributed to Tiller’s death may not be isolated to the right wing. And even if it were, a universal moderation of rhetoric, would seem to have a better chance to defuse the volatile of the right wing, than an insistence that left wing rhetoric is okay, because progressives are non-violent.
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:58 amJiminy Cricket, backup! Doesn’t “extremist” say “violent” to you? Though I would use the word to describe some performance art, it would be in a context other than extra-judicial executions.
June 2nd, 2009 at 5:23 amOnly God knows when a human life begins.
But one thing is certain: Prolifers are murderers.
June 2nd, 2009 at 5:29 amO’Reilly and Fixed News, who’s next on your death “hit” list who will you murder?
I just find it hard to believe that advertiser would still advertise on the O’Reilly program given that O’Reilly and Fixed News actually caused Dr. Tiller to be murdered. Which suggest that these advertiser condone such violence not to mention O’Reilly 10 million dollar renewed contract to murder people. He and Fixed News actually contributed to the murder of someone. WOW!!!
I guess O’Reilly is a 10 million contract “hit” man.
June 2nd, 2009 at 5:48 ambackup Says:
“Everybody’s got their thing.
I’m heading out. Have a great night.”
I’ve got my own thong too, you know….
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:04 amI have been sitting here trying to think of a single left wing fanatic that was incited by progressive rabble rousing bloggers or pundits to commit a murder or bombing in the last 20 years. I can’t think of any. But the right wing has a plethora of them. Wonder why that is?
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:51 amO’Reilly and Fox News are to blame, so of course Billo is going to lie his ass off to the contrary. It’s all he knows how to do: incite violence & lie. That’s it.
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:03 amI live in a short street in Australia, it only goes up to 14. A house on the corner a priest was living there. Moved from the country, while under investigation for child abuse. He died of a heart attack before he was charged with anything. The house next door, two girls were raped by a priest. No connection to the previous house. The Priest raped hundreds of kids before he was shifted. Then he was moved by the Catholic Church to another area. Where he continued on his merry way raping children. He even raped a young girl I new. Hundreds of kids have committed suicide because of this. The Catholic Church has paid out millions. In the house on the other side of me. A man had his cat killed and he was severely bashed while in a wheel chair. The police informed his wife that he was a priest. People are now catching up with him for what he did when he was a priest. One of our top Catholics in Australia is being protected by the Catholic Church and other conservative organisations. He has at least eight cases against him. This makes me wonder how many Catholics around the world are being protected in the same way.
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:14 amSo rape, murder and child abuse are all OK if it is carried out by the Catholic Church?
Candide:
It runs on both sides; I belive the Unibomber was liberal, the group ELF are liberal, the Weather Underground (William Ayers) were liberal, the group that kidnapped Patty Hearst, and probably a few more that aren’t coming to mind right now.
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:17 amJust sayin’.
383 Candide, I have tried to think of a single right wing politician also. Only the left leaners are murdered.
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:18 am386 That’s one or two. About 1,000 to go to even it up. :)
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:20 amUnibomber. I just read up on him a little bit. Certainly doesn’t sound like one. He was called a Neo-luddite.
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:24 amPanther, all that matters to the right wingers are those who breathe through the umbilical cord? Being raped/murdered as a lung breather is fine. See?
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:30 amGeorge Bush murdered 30,000 in the first few hours of his illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq. Where was the outrage and compassion for humans by the right wing then? Oh wait! Once out of the womb, humans breathe through their lungs. Right wingers hate lung breathers, but instead, spend their days protecting the umbilical cord breathers. *rolling eyes*
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:33 amThe group ELF don’t appear to have killed anyone.
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:36 ampanther47 Says:
He was called a Neo-luddite.
He might have been, I said ‘I Believe’.
I don’t know what ‘luddite’ means, but all that ‘neo’ really means is “what was old is new again”.
Don’t try to make me out to be a right wing sympathizer, I’m just saying it happens with both ideologies.
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:38 amWeather Underground doesn’t appear to have killed anyone either.
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:44 am0 – 1,000
394 I wasn’t trying to make you out to be anything. I was just pointing out the facts. Luddite = anti technology.
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:46 amI couldn’t have told you what a luddite was till a few minutes ago.
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:48 amMurder works. We as Marxists, Communists and various other wonderfulnesses must admit that. During the liberation struggles all over the world, we murdered lots of teachers, industrialists, priests, kulaks and whatnot. It was necessary for the greater good, to get to the nirvana that is socialism. So a doctor who performs abortion got murdered? Maybe the other doctors will start to get the message? We can’t really deny to the right wing fascists something which we support when our own beloved brethren in Nepal and Venezuela and Columbia do it every day of the week. Can we?
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:16 amFunny how we talk about ‘The Rule of Law’, us folks here on this wonderful site. For eight years, breaking the law was the highest of all goods, talking truth to power was the great holy grail, civil disobedience was soooo cool. We fantasised over and over again about Murdering Bushitler, because of all the deaths he was causing… But the minute an abortion doctor gets shot, we are sudden strict law-abiding folk rooted in the great law-abiding traditions of… well the right wing fascists I guess. We really want to be veggies AND eat bacon burgers.
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:25 amcandide,
Mao Zedong – Communist Party of China (40 – 70 million killed)
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:25 amAdolf Hitler – National Socialist German Workers Party (11 – 14 million killed)
Joseph Stalin – Communist Party of the Soviet Union (3 – 60 million killed)
Pol Pot – Khmer Rouge (750,000 – 1.7 million killed)
I fail to see why so many posters here have a problem with what Bill said? He first pointed out that what the murderer did was terrible…and that he knew the left wing groups would just use this terrible occurrence for political purposes to take free shots at anyone who had called the Doctor exactly what he was…a baby killer. Bill also mentioned that what the Doctor did was legal…although immoral.
With that being said…my questions would be? Was the Doctor a baby killer? Was Bill right in saying what the left wing groups would do and say?
After looking at 400 post on here…I would say that Bill hit the nail right on the head again!
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:27 amRazor Boy–I think the Weather underground and Patti Hurst go way farther back than 20 years. The Unibomber was not a leftist so much as unhinged–not that some of these right wing murderers don’t fall into that category, too. Civil Rights violence might have been somewhat encouraged by leftist demagoguery, but it tended to be unplanned, not like the methodically plotted activities of the people like the anti-government, anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti immigrant groups out there on the right.
I am an irritable old gay man myself who has lived in the backyard of Jesse Helms most of his life, and I can understand the inclination toward angry outbursts. I am a little surprised after the last eight years that the left didn’t respond to the politics of the hateful Bush administration with more violence.
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:35 amRick at 402–
We were, first of all, talking about domestic violence, not Communist dictators. Secondly, Hitler was not a leftist. He was far right wing. Go study some history. Also, none of your examples occurred in the past 20 years, which was the other part of my comment.
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:39 amYes, Bill-O, you are wrong. But that is not news. I am hard pressed to come up with a single time you have been correct. And there is no escaping the fact that the white-hot talk coming from you and other right-wing nuts is one of the prime factors that contribute to these murders. Besides, you have shown no remorse over the fact that Tiller was murdered.
My question to you Bill, where do you stand on Dr. Carhart replacing Dr. Tiller. Would you be approving of somebody also murdering him? You need to explain yourself without deflection on this issue. So far you have not done that so you cannot put the issue behind you.
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:39 amkingaethelstan Says:
Funny how we talk about ‘The Rule of Law’, us folks here on this wonderful site. For eight years, breaking the law was the highest of all goods, talking truth to power was the great holy grail, civil disobedience was soooo cool. We fantasised over and over again about Murdering Bushitler, because of all the deaths he was causing… But the minute an abortion doctor gets shot, we are sudden strict law-abiding folk rooted in the great law-abiding traditions of… well the right wing fascists I guess. We really want to be veggies AND eat bacon burgers.
Your incredible ignorance is showing. You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about, and if you do, you have idea how out of touch with reality your pejorative insights are.
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:41 amSo, basically, in a nutshell, O’Rally has justified the murder of Dr. Tiller, gynecologist and practicing Christian.
Nice.
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:49 amRick68 When you know what the Nazi Party is, look it up. I’ll take some notice of your rantings.
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:50 amPossibly a difficult subject to address, but I wonder about that large number–60,000–and it does get me thinking about the state of the fetuses that were to be aborted.
How many of those fetuses were already dead to begin with?
How many of those fetuses were not going to survive the birth, even if they were successfully removed from the womb, either through induced labor or C-section?
How many of the mothers were in danger of dying if the abortion was not performed?
I think O’Reilly is being quite narrow-minded in his approach here. He claims that 60,000 fetuses were destroyed, but he doesn’t have enough time in his broadcast to cover the full details. Of these abortions, how many would have led to a death regardless of whether or not an abortion was performed? Who is more important towards life–the mother or the child?
I just have a hard time believing this number, no matter who it came from, since we have no details on the risks involved.
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:52 am405 candide,
So, Hitler was “far” right wing, huh? I think it is you that needs to study some history. My point is that that the Left has blood on its hands too.
This moron who killed the doctor seriously hurt the “pro-life” movement – extremists always do.
Seriously though, Hitler was a socialist… 100% lefty.
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:53 amRick68 Crap. Hitler was right wing. As I said look it up.
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:56 am409 panther47,
I see you can already spell Nazi, so that will help when you look it up. And look this up too – National Socialist German Workers Party.
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:57 amRick68, you really need to UNDERSTAND history
Hitler was a far right wing fascist, even more than Cheney and Bush.
I realize that the right wing owned corporate mainstream media has you convinced otherwise, but the truth remains: Hitler was a far right wing fascist.
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:58 amRick68 You nead to read a bit of Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche Hitlers favourite Philosopher.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:00 amRick68 Your ignorance is astounding.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:01 am414 RantingTommy,
You guys are hilarious. Hitler was a socialist. He nationalized German industry; he centralized government control over the economy. These are anti-rightwing behaviors. I am sorry it damages your world view, but Hitler was a lefty. Period.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:01 amRick is one of those true believers that can’t get past their own fear and ignorance to see the truth.
Probably believes in a magic man in the sky and that Jesus’ mom was a virgin.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:02 amRick68 Again your ignorance is astounding.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:02 amyou are still wrong, rick
Hitler USED corporate power the same way modern fascists use corporate power.
You really need to cure your ignorance on this issue
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:03 amO’Reilly would’ve thrived in a truly fascist state. Inciting people to violence isn’t enough, he wants to be able to gloat about it.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:06 amThe “cure for cancer” approach way back @ #27.
I don’t like using this approach to defend or criticize Tiller’s occupation. Yes, there quite possibly could have been a scientific genius that was never born, but this is the risk you bring into play when you start to use the word “perhaps” with your arguments.
Perhaps there was a cure for cancer within those fetuses. On the other hand, perhaps there was not. I hate to even bring this thought up, since I don’t believe evil is inherently “born”, but you could make the same argument that the next Scott Roeder or Timothy McVeigh was within those 60,000.
It’s not legitimate to bring up the “could have” approach when discussing the unborn, since we cannot predict who might have been born. There is also no way of knowing just how much talent might have been in the DNA of the unborn and how much could have been determined through environment and education.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:07 amThe Right wing fascist dictator Benito Mussolini (of Italy) and the Right wing dictator General Franco (of Spain) bothe were on Hitlers side. Well Hitlers was on Franco’s side during the Spanish Civil War. Along with the Spanish Catholic Church.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:08 amGee Rick, is that why liberals are always talking about how women should only dedicate themselves to the kitchen, their children, and church? Kuche, kinder, kirshe. And is that why liberals are always advocating torture, preventive war, burning books, the persecution of minorities, rabid nationalism, and secret police?
Or is it the vegetarian thing?
Boy. You got our number, doncha?
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:08 am415 panther47,
I have read Nietzsche. Your point? Nietzsche had died prior to Hitler’s rise. It was Nietzsche’s sister (or sister-in-law?) that pushed Nietzsche’s writing as Nazi propaganda.
I think all historians and folks that have read Nietzsche, feel he would have been appalled at the use of his work.
So why do I need to read him?
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:09 am421 Bullsmith Spot on. But he will be a handy whipping boy coming up to the 2010 elections. Along with Cheney Bush Limbaugh and Palin.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:10 amRick68 As I said he was Hitlers favourite author.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:12 amRick, you must agree that there are right-wing dictatorships, yes? And they murder people, yes? So is it o.k. if a liberal guns you down because they’ve got it in their head that they have a moral obligation to kill you? You do understand logic and the concept of fairness on some level don’t you?
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:12 amBut then you new that didn’t you. As you already know so much about Hitler.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:13 amBenito Mussolini was a fascist… but once again, a left-wing fascist. Read what he did, folks. He socialized industry, farming, the economy. He grew up in the Marxian Socialist movement, and he led the Italian Socialist Party. C’mon, just google these guys and read!
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:19 ampanther47,
I still don’t know what you are saying about Nietzsche. He is a hard but very interesting read. Try it.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:22 amWell Tiller’s killer’s a nut
And should pay for his crime but
Calling Bill O to task
Makes you just ask
Are you people crazy or what?
….nnnn..’o.o’..uu!u….algie
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:25 amIllegitimi nOn carborundum
Johnintexas Says:
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20 . . . really? Why awful? The man was a mass murderer. That he was doing his murder legally only proves that the law hadn’t caught up to him yet. It would have. I believe that he was saved a life term in prison.
Besides . . . Just think of the lives that will be saved by the death of Killer-Tiller.
Perhaps one of those lives will be of the man who discovers a cure for cancer and saves the life of your child or someone you know . . .
YOUR JUST A PIECE OF SHIT, AND MAY ALL OF HUMANITY STEP ALL OVER YOUR SORRY SOUL…..CHOCK ON YOUR IDIOT. NOW F-OFF AND DIE, DO US A FAVOR YOU PIECE OF SHITE!!!
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:28 amRick68 Never mind it’s obviously over your head. (I should have figured that sooner).
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:29 amRick68 Says: , I GUESS YOU LIKE EATING SHIT AS WELL. F**EN IDIOT!!! GET OUT OF HERE!!!
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:30 am432 Conspiracy.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:31 amBut it’s better for the Democrats to have him around in 2010.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:32 amThe Democrats need as many right wing nutbags around in 2010 so that they can pull their chains coming up to the elections. :)
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:35 amNOLIESPLEASE,
Win an argument -> get “asked” to leave. Been fun. Do some reading folks, you might like it.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:36 amTiller was a murderer, O’Reily is correct about that. A “legal murderer” I’ll give you, but a murderer just the same. Does O’reily have blood on his hands? Maybe, but no more than ex-President Clinton does for failing to get Bin Laden prior to 9-11. It is ironic to say the least that Tiller was murdered in a church. Some sort of sign maybe? Maybe, but I think it’s just another example of how karma can come back to bite you in the a$$. Some people’s hypocrisy knows no bounds!!
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:37 amThere is no such thing as a left-wing fascist, you fool. Mussolini did not socialize the corporations, he created an unholy marriage between corporations and the state which subjugated the people.
Here is the difference:
Fascism- the people exist only to serve the state
Socialism- the state exists only to serve the people
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:40 amRick68 Have you actually read anything?
By the way I am an amateur World War two historian. I do know just a little bit more than you.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:41 amIf he’s attributing 60,000 abortions to Tiller then the doctor would have performed the equivalent of around 8 abortions a day, every day, for twenty years. Or a ballpark figure of four a day, every day for forty years. I have my doubts.
It’s very hard to find a doctor who will perform a late term abortion. It is a risky surgery, and not a rote procedure by any stretch of the imagination. One of the reasons that a lot of women have them so late is that the testing that determines that the fetus suffers from defects that will guarantee that, if born, the child would have a short and hellish life that would break the family—those tests are not or cannot be completed any sooner.
Few doctors will perform this operation for many reasons. They are usually only done when the risks of delivery are more egregious than the surgery itself. A responsible doctor— which Tiller appears to be— wouldn’t perform such a late term abortion, otherwise. The risks of a healthy woman giving birth to a healthy child is negligible compared to the risks of a late-term abortion for the mother, and the doctor.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:41 amRick68 Says:
NOLIESPLEASE,
Win an argument -> get “asked” to leave. Been fun. Do some reading folks, you might like it.
From the perspective of the debater, we all win the argument. That is why the people determine who is right or wrong.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:41 amjimjay, you may believe Tiller was a murderer, but what you believe doesn’t count. This country is ruled by law, and under the law what tiller did was legal. You may disagree with the law, but untill the law is changed, its the law of the land. Your belief and your god has no bearing on the issue when it comes to the law.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:45 amangels81 Bingo! Spot on.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:49 amFirst, I do not condone the murder of Tiller. God, not man, has a right to execute judgement upon him, as well as on his killer. Jesus would not have taken the man’s life, but he would have offered him life. That being said, abortion is also an act of murder against an innocent child. I recently had a beautiful baby boy. I had health complications and had an emergency C-Section. Both of us are perfectly healthy. There is no medical justification for performing a late term abortion as opposed to either inducing labor or C-section. The argument that is legal could also be used for the holocaust and for many other atrocities through the centuries. Legal and right are not necessarily the same thing. Deuteronomy 30:19 says “I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.” God sets two choices before us, life and death, and longs for us to choose life.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:58 amEven if the law were changed to make abortion illegal, murdering someone for performing one would still be illegal.
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:05 amangels81 445, I never once mentioned “my God” in my post. That’s you applying your beliefs (or non-beliefs) to my post. To say that what Tiller did wasn’t murder, is complete rationalization on your part. Imagine if we were talking about kittens, puppies or baby seals… alas, they’re only human babies so that makes it OK.
By the way tell Judge Sodomayor about not using her beliefs &/or “experiences” when she “interprets” the law of the land.
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:06 amrick loses an argument and then whines about it
here’s a hint, rick:
do some reading and learn about the subject before you make incorrect asinine comments and you won’t be discovered so quickly as a fool
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:09 ambree, you are incorrect
please read the science and stop relying on fairy tales
if there was a god, you wouldn’t be such an idiot
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:11 amYou mean the way Sam Alito does?
In an exchange with Sen. Tom Coburn, who had asked Alito to discuss how his personal experiences shows that “he cared for the little guy,” Alito said that his family’s experience as immigrants influenced his outlook on immigration cases.
“And that’s why I went into that in my opening statement. Because when a case comes before me involving, let’s say, someone who is an immigrant — and we get an awful lot of immigration cases and naturalization cases — I can’t help but think of my own ancestors, because it wasn’t that long ago when they were in that position…
When I get a case about discrimination, I have to think about people in my own family who suffered discrimination because of their ethnic background or because of religion or because of gender. And I do take that into account.”
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:11 amBree, I am happy that you had a CHOICE.
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:14 amShoeless 452 Exactly!
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:21 amWas the whole “peace” movement “terrorist” because of people like Bill Ayres and his wife? We’ve been told for the last fifty years that laws exist to “protect unpopular views” and that people like Larry Flynt, who have articles like ‘how to rape a baby & leave no evidence’ in his magazine is “protected speech,” no matter how offensive. Well tobbacco is legal but there’s no shortage of people calling the tobacco industry murderers.
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:25 amGeorge Tiller was no humanitarian. He wasn’t running a “Free Clinic” here. He charged $5,000 dollars for one abortion. If a pro-life Group charged something like that to help an unwed mother have her baby, you’d have no problem seeing them as “materialistic pigs” that care only for their own pockets.
Are you ready to be held accountable for the words you speak here if someone gets mad and kills somebody? The left calls Fox News “Faux News” and that “nobody listens to them anyway.”
Well make up your minds.
The Bible says we will all stand before God and give an account for every idle word. It’s funny, the same people that say Tiller shouldn’t be “judged” and that his “sins” are between him and God, were happy when Jesse Helms died, when Charlton Heston was diagnosed with Alzheimers and now, Bill O and the whole “Right to Life” movement are “terrorists” because they say what they believe, but that’s not between them and God?
The same people who are livid that a picture of an aborted baby would be shown anywhere (or scenes from 9/11) wanted the flag draped caskets from Iraq shown when Bush was President; something that has been forgotten now that Obama is President. Where are the tallys of dead servicemen that were printed every week? The rights you wish to take from one group of people will also effect you. Obama will not always be President.
So you’re pro-choice then? Good.
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:32 amThen why aren’t you right-wing Republicans b!tching about Sam Alito using his “experiences” when “interpreting” the law of the land?
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:32 amPoor thing. You miss your Bush so much, don’t you? Get over it dumbass. Bush fu(ked up the country so badly that you will never get another Republican president.
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:37 ammarahnatha Says:
Was the whole “peace” movement “terrorist” because of people like Bill Ayres and his wife? We’ve been told for the last fifty years that laws exist to “protect unpopular views” and that people like Larry Flynt, who have articles like ‘how to rape a baby & leave no evidence’ in his magazine is “protected speech,” no matter how offensive. Well tobbacco is legal but there’s no shortage of people calling the tobacco industry murderers.
George Tiller was no humanitarian. He wasn’t running a “Free Clinic” here. He charged $5,000 dollars for one abortion. If a pro-life Group charged something like that to help an unwed mother have her baby, you’d have no problem seeing them as “materialistic pigs” that care only for their own pockets.
Are you ready to be held accountable for the words you speak here if someone gets mad and kills somebody? The left calls Fox News “Faux News” and that “nobody listens to them anyway.”
Well make up your minds.
The Bible says we will all stand before God and give an account for every idle word. It’s funny, the same people that say Tiller shouldn’t be “judged” and that his “sins” are between him and God, were happy when Jesse Helms died, when Charlton Heston was diagnosed with Alzheimers and now, Bill O and the whole “Right to Life” movement are “terrorists” because they say what they believe, but that’s not between them and God?
The same people who are livid that a picture of an aborted baby would be shown anywhere (or scenes from 9/11) wanted the flag draped caskets from Iraq shown when Bush was President; something that has been forgotten now that Obama is President. Where are the tallys of dead servicemen that were printed every week? The rights you wish to take from one group of people will also effect you. Obama will not always be President.
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murder for me,
but not for thee?
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June 2nd, 2009 at 10:49 amI find the term “anti choice” used in this article interesting. Does that mean those who favor abortion are “anti life”? I never hear that term. If those who favor abortion are so interested in a person’s right to choose life or not where were they in all the assisted suicide debates? Isn’t that a right to choose? Why weren’t all these people rallying around “Dr. Death” and why is he in prison for helping people exercise their choice? A choice is a choice right? Hmmm.
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:52 amOh by the way. The murder of Dr. Tiller is inexcusable. Taking a life is wrong no matter what.
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:53 ammarahnatha, unless crusaders against abortion apply their zeal in a similar manner to abolish capital punishment and war, they cannot claim to be pro-life. As it stands, they appear to be merely pro-birth, not pro-life. There is really very little moral high ground in that.
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:02 amBree, you sound pretty cool. I don’t believe in God, but I respect your rights to believe.
I’m curious. Have you every thought about God’s purpose in setting up difficult choices? If God is all powerful, what is God’s purpose in staging a predicament in which his children can fail. Presumably, with the failure resulting in damnation or death of the child? I don’t get that.
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:03 amChristian fanatics are no different than Muslim fanatics. This murderer will be tried and convicted like any other murderer.
You Christians can saddle up that three day old, fly infested, rotten corpse and ride it to heaven if you believe, but keep your goddamn beliefs to yourself. You think abortions are wrong? Work to convince the other 80% of us to change the laws.
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:06 amShoeless 457
You are assuming that I didn’t voice my concerns over Judge Alito’s position and his “interpreting” of our laws. How nice it is for you to lump people into the same category-Right wing, Left wing… For your info, I don’t sheepishly follow the right or the left-I’m a Libertarian. Freedom FROM Government is the only answer.
Also, we have something in common-we’re both pro choice. You choose the life of the mother at all costs (the baby be damned), and I choose the life of both the mother & baby.
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:34 amSo let’s celebrate a little common ground :-(
There is no god. Everyone just mind your own business.
Thanks.
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:40 amYes, that is exactly what I am assuming because there was not one whisper of protest from the right-wing about Sam Alito’s remarks during his confirmation hearings. If you claim that you “voiced your concerns” over Sam Alito’s assertions that he would use his experiences to interpret that law of the land, you are a liar.
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:43 amThere will always be killing in the name of whatever, so pick your fight.Now I must ask how many of you mouthy libs are willing to die for your cause?
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:56 amDear All,
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:58 amI read a number of your replies with no alternative just support or complaint. What are the facts. Dr. Tiller was murdered a tragedy for which I mourn. He aborted 60,000 fetuses for which I mourn. He helped those pregnant women who needed a choice other than bringing their baby into this world for that I mourn. He helped women, without another choice with an alternative, for which I am grateful with reservations. Without playing Solomon or God how can we satisfy the right of choice, on which our nation was founded a system of laws and individual rights and what amounts to genocide. Suggestion: determine the reason a woman wants an abortion through counseling. Instruct her on the pros and cons of abortion, what it will mean for her, what it will mean for the man and especially what this choice will mean for her unborn child. Then let her, her man (if involved) and her family (if woman is underage) decide. To quote Jonn Donne, “. . .any man’s death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind”. Thank you.
Why? How many people are you planning to kill?
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:59 amI have a quote that sums this all up very nicely – and I am a religious man.
‘Religious extremism in ANY form, is oppression’ – Daeyel
Be you Shiite, Sunni, Hindu, Sikh, Born Again, Catholic, Taoist, Buddhist, Christian, Atheist, Mormon, Wiccan, whatever. It IS possible to go too far.
Moderation in all things.
The right wing nut jobs endanger the very values they hold dear, facing a backlash against such from the more moderate. Same goes for the left wing nut jobs.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:12 pmPoliticising things does not engender solutions, merely entrenchment.
After cutting through the hateful prattle I realize none of you can actually find anything untruthful in O’Reilly’s statements. I dare you to spend the day next to the dumpster at one of these slaughter houses. Even an hour or two. Who has the balls to try it and write back?
I think you nuts confuse “progressive” with “trendy”, latching on to the latest cause-de-jour in a liberal version of keeping up with the Jones’. Unfortunately this game ends with a bag of dead babies.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:12 pmbackup Says:
Bree, you sound pretty cool. I don’t believe in God, but I respect your rights to believe.
I’m curious. Have you every thought about God’s purpose in setting up difficult choices? If God is all powerful, what is God’s purpose in staging a predicament in which his children can fail. Presumably, with the failure resulting in damnation or death of the child? I don’t get that.
SHEEPDOG SAYS: Let me paint a little word picture for you since GOD seems to be a problem for you. If and when you become a parent, the child is born and you feed, love, raise, and teach them all you know. They turn 18 and from then on it is their choice to either love, respect, and heed the advice you gave them. Your kids have free will on a free planet and if they fail to follow a few simple rules, yes they may get really hurt or get killed. This is your reality today, what more do you want? How would you go about creating the existence you enjoy and what rules would you implement?
WHEN YOU BECOME A PARENT SOMEDAY, YOU MAY ANSWER THIS QUESTION WITH PERFECT CLARITY!!
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:36 pmBozo wants to know if he’s wrong? Hell yes he’s wrong- as always. He’s a didsgrace to his parents and the entire US- just a sexual pervert claiming to be a “middle-class” goon making $10
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:37 pmmillion a year.
Shoeless,Trying to predict the future is such a guessing game.Why not just engage and count the dead libs at some agreed upon appropriate time.Isn’t it nice to know we’re now in negotiations?But just one more question.I think a uniform would make ID a lot easier?Please let me know if you agree.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:49 pmI’m sure Billo enjoys this the sick twisted little @#$%.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:52 pmHmmmm, the main trend I see hurtsdonut, is how a certain group of people on the right pretty much made the anti-choice movement into what it is. You see it was a moral debate before it was a political one. The political one is a trend for sheep like you. Your simplistic comment shows you have no grasp of your own ideology’s history. Your game is the one that ends up with dead people, and that’s why this blog thread is happening, moron.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:54 pmWhat don’t you murderous liberal pukes comprehend here?
Tiller murdered 60,000 babies who were beyond the stage of what an abortion is normally allowed. This puke and his scumbag family became rich with innocent baby-blood on their hands partially with tax payer dollars. Sounds like ACORN and those who ACORN supported doesn’t it?
The 60K children who were murdered were well over the “blob” stage and many may have lived if they had been born premature versus having salt water injected into their brains or by having their arms and legs ripped off by Tiller.
Tiller was a murder and if he did not buy the election of the very peole who were investigating him and place a murderous co-conspirator in office, Tiller would have been charged with murder. Are you comprehending this yet?
Once again, we are not talking about a little blob of a one month old human with arms, fingers a brain and even legs… but a larger real human with longer arms, bendable fingers a brain and those pesky legs.
I wonder how you liberal scum would view dogs, cats, rabbits or monkeys being stripped from their mother’s wombs and tossed in the garbage or a fire… Or better yet tested at the Mabelline factory with new brands of mascara in their eyes. At the very best, you people who attacking O’Reilly are pieces of shhit.
Tiller didn’t get what he deserved as the bullet did not cause near enough pain or trauma and now his scum bag family gets a chunk of insurance money to go with their tax payer blood money.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:57 pmLet’s see what happened here. Dr. Tiller performed 60,000 abortions terminating the lives of unborn, unique human beings (babies at birth) for a variety of reasons.
He was a multimillionaire. He became a multimillionaire not by “creating” something but by destroying unborn children (in some cases because they weren’t “perfect”).
He was murdered by another human being who made a decision to take Dr. Tiller’s life.
Dr. Tiller was not legally a murderer, but the killer was. Of course, the 60,000 aborted babies didn’t get an opportunity to vote on it. But then again, they weren’t yest “registered voters” or really human “life”. Ask the overwhelming majority of individuals who are ranting about O’Reilly.
What was it that O’Reilly said that wasn’t truthful? Of course, every thing O’Reilly said was true. Cognitive dissonance for so many must be painful.
Do you still feel compassionate when a Doctor performs late term abortions, particularly a “partial birth” abortion? It doesn’t matter does it? After all the “fetus” is not human, it is just a piece of tissue of the mother’s body.
Whoops, I forgot, that “fetus” is unique in all ways including it’s own DNA. As Emily Latella would say to you pro abortionists – “Never mind?.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:01 pmThe act of a deranged man won’t “shatter the moral underpinnings” of anything. But obviously some wish this.
Tell me, leftists, do you also condemn with your trademark ferocity the murder yesterday of a young serviceman at a recruiting center in Arkansas by a Muslim convert? Was this murder any less “heinous”? And by your logic, it could easily be argued that the murderer’s hate was fomented and sharpened to a homicidal edge by the long record of anti-military smears of the Left and the media, who have always tried to characterize our soldiers as sociopathic misfits and cretins on and off the battlefield (including calling them “babykillers”). Are you responsible for the death of this serviceman?
You mean it could just be the act of a lone deranged person? Imagine that!
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:05 pmSo do you creepy anti-choice people get merit badges for posting on TP?
Please enjoy having your pathetic last say on this blog thread. You’re moral views are noted, your legal views are wrong, and thankfully by the rule of law, women continue to have a choice, although your ignorance has made that difficult in many places. The procedures of Dr. Tiller were found many times over to be within law to protect the life of the mother or for severe circumstances facing the child.
Your emotional posts and oversimplifying of objective facts show the arrogance in your moral structure. Thankfully again, we live in a democracy, and your ignorance will never win out for us true Americans that advocate freedom, not repression.
But please continue to bring it back to the physicality of the abortions, it’s all you have really. Because we all know the logical end of your extremism. It happens again and again.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:14 pmBill O’Reilly is a windbag.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:22 pmThe guy who shot Tiller is a murderer.
But guys, Tiller was doing something even many pro-choicers found a bit gross: terminating pregnancies in the third trimester. By then a fetus sure LOOKS like a human baby!
No way in the world is his murder justified, but he goaded those who found his work a little more than morally reprehensible.
Shoeless
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:09 pmSorry I didn’t write to you personally re: the concerns I had regarding Alito interpreting the law without prejudice. You know nothing about me, yet you assume I am lying so it will fit comfortably inside the little (and I do mean little) box you call a brain. You have no class, and worse yet you haven’t the ability to carry on a sensible argument without stooping to the gutter with insults and bigotry. You should be ashamed of yourself, but I seriously doubt that you are capable of that!
Realness 481
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:12 pmWe do not live in a Democracy, we live in a Representative Republic. There is a huge difference.
jlmealer Says:
What don’t you murderous liberal pukes comprehend here?
Tiller murdered 60,000 babies who were beyond the stage of what an abortion is normally allowed. This puke and his scumbag family became rich with innocent baby-blood on their hands partially with tax payer dollars. Sounds like ACORN and those who ACORN supported doesn’t it?
The 60K children who were murdered were well over the “blob” stage and many may have lived if they had been born premature versus having salt water injected into their brains or by having their arms and legs ripped off by Tiller.
Tiller didn’t get what he deserved as the bullet did not cause near enough pain or trauma and now his scum bag family gets a chunk of insurance money to go with their tax payer blood money.
I find the contrast found in your sanctimonious ranting striking. Here you are proclaiming yourself to be morally superior to us because you’re pro-life and then you’re fantasizing about how he should have been tortured…Pro-life indeed!
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:35 pmThe Reichwhiners and Psychochristians are really showing their vile natures on this one. And their overwhelming ability to delude themselves. Of course it’s pointless to try and show them that Dr. Tiller didn’t do late term abortions as birth control. They were medically necessary and many were emergency operations to save the life of the woman.
Sigh… I suppose the bloodthirsty freaks will start gunning down doctors who treat atheists, poor people, or prisoners.
June 2nd, 2009 at 5:54 pmA “politically incorrect” precedent that may not sit well with the many bilious sufferers of oral diarrhea on this site, but the precedent stands, nevertheless: the mass murderer John Brown.
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:34 pm
http://www.americanvision.org/article/selective-condemnation/
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:36 pmDon’t be surprised that the sun rotates around the flat earth bible thumping lynch mob attacked again. They are the same jesus freaks who voted for Prop Hate in California, and whose vote was upheld by that supreme court. Killing the rights of any American is an act of terrorism.
June 2nd, 2009 at 11:40 pmIt is a sad day indeed that people don’t see what is going on when 60,000 babies are slaughtered and all they can do is think of the death of the man that killed them. Since you “know it all” left-wingers have so eloquetly stated I guess I’ll just thump my Bible and wait on the Lord to show us who is right and wrong…. You’re going to be speaking a new story when you see the master’s face anyway. what you’re going to know deep down is fear and the knowledge you were wrong…
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:20 amBlessings Becks
Sheepdog. I am a parent, my friend. I am a humble, imperfect, human parent. Not an all powerful, all loving God.
How is it possible for me to understand that it is wrong to use the threat of eternal separation, or worse, the threat of eternal damnation to force my children’s compliance – when apparently, your God does not.
As a humble, imperfect human, why is it that I would never foresake my child to eternal damnation for any reason; when apparently, your God does.
And for what ridiculous reasons. You don’t believe in me, so you’re condemned to hell for all eternity? Really? To say that it’s petty, would be a monumental understatement.
And to say that an all powerful, all loving God devises all these predicaments to better prepare his children for the world, makes Rube Goldberg devices seem straight forward and intuitive by comparison.
I am a parent. And objectively, I am a more understanding and compassionate parent than your god.
Bonus: my children don’t feel compelled to kill other children to try to appease me.
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:28 amI tried to read all of the posts before making a comment. It was difficult to read all of the 489 posts, so I ready many of them but not all. The controversial subject of abortion has been around since I was very young. It took me many years to decide where I stood on the issue. I don’t believe it’s right morally. Just because something is a law doesn’t make it right. The more disturbing item to me is how mean spirited the posts are here. Are we still Americans, fighting to better our country and our lives? Or are we all selfish children only wanting my way to be the way. The posts here indicate how divided we are as a nation. And the old phrase, divide and conquer comes to mind. So keep it up, keep hiding behind your computer screens and keyboard pads and shout at each other all you want. You are the cowards. If you feel so strongly about a cause, do something about it. Bill O’Reilly is not the problem. The problem is the elected oficials representing all of you here. If you want change, change them, they are the problem. You have the right to give your opinion, this is America. Many citizens that came before us fought and died to preserve that right for you and I. O’Reilly has just as much right as you to give his opinion. OK, I’m ready, let’s hear the vile.
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