ThinkFast: June 1, 2009
ThinkFast: June 1, 2009
The Republican 2012 presidential campaign is already underway, with potential nominees making various visits to Iowa, the site of the first primary caucuses. “Potential Republican candidates who have visited the state include Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee.” Sen. John Ensign (R-NV) is visiting on Monday, followed by Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour and another appearance by Huckabee.
Eleven progressive groups are planning to spend at least $82 million to push health care reform that includes a public health insurance plan option. The announcement of the progressive push, which is being billed as their largest health reform campaign ever, is being timed to coincide with the kick off the America’s Future Now conference.
Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) is no longer opposed to including a public option in health care reform, saying, “I have not closed my mind to any option.” However, he told the Journal-Star newspaper that he does not want it to “‘destabilize or adversely affect‘ the private health insurance coverage now in place for most Americans.”
Nevada is legalizing domestic partnerships. The state Assembly voted Sunday to override Gov. Jim Gibbons’ veto of a domestic partner bill. “The move makes Nevada the 17th state to recognize the relationships of gay men and lesbians, creating the registry with the secretary of state by which couples receive legal protections associated with marriage.”
Yesterday’s “slaying of Dr. George Tiller in his Kansas church” was “part of a decades-long history of domestic terrorism aimed at abortion providers,” which has included bombings, butyric acid attacks, sniper shootings and letters filled with fake anthrax. The National Abortion Federation “has documented more than 6,100 acts of violence against abortion providers in the United States and Canada since 1977.”
Forty-five former law clerks of judge Sonia Sotomayor signed a letter praising her “indisputably stellar” credentials for the Supreme Court. “We are united in our strong belief that Judge Sotomayor is a brilliant and first-rate judge who is an ideal selection for our nation’s highest court,” wrote the group. All but four of Sotomayor’s former clerks signed the letter.
General Motors filed for bankruptcy this morning, and now “American taxpayers will invest an additional $30 billion in the company, atop $20 billion already spent.” GM will be firing 21,000 union workers and closing 12 to 20 factories, and “the workers’ union will be forced to finance half of its $20 billion health care fund with stock of uncertain value.”
Shortly before Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s arrival in El Salvador yesterday, the Cuban government informed the State Department that “it was ready to resume talks on migration issues” and “negotiate direct postal service between the countries for the first time in decades.” Cuba also agreed to cooperate with the U.S. “on counterterrorism, drug interdiction and hurricane relief efforts.”
Israel is conducting its biggest emergency drill in the nation’s history to prepare civilians, soldiers and rescue crews for the possibility of war. “Officials said the drill will include simulated rockets, air raids and other attacks on infrastructure and essential facilities, and use of weapons on civilians.”
And finally: Last week, the Irish Vice President Biden received the Sons of Italy Foundation’s highest honor. During his remarks at the event, Biden — whose wife has an Italian heritage — quipped, “My self-consciousness about not being Italian goes all the way back to my childhood.” He also listed his friends in grade school, quickly listing off “10 boys all with names that could’ve come straight from a Martin Scorsese script. His football team in high school allowed him to rattle off eight more. ‘And that was just the offense. You think I’m kidding. I’m not kidding. I’m not kidding,’ he said.”
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Yesterday’s “slaying of Dr. George Tiller in his Kansas church” was “part of a decades-long history of domestic terrorism aimed at abortion providers,” which as included bombings, butyric acid attacks, sniper shootings and letters filled with fake anthrax.
Will the terrorist responsible for this murder be too dangerous to house in an American prison? Or will Gitmo be the only option?
PEACE
June 1st, 2009 at 9:02 amIt’s long past time to start getting people that suffer from religious beliefs the mental help they need. It is inhumane to allow people to waste their short life on this planet preparing for a fictional afterlife controlled by a fictional magic man in the sky.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:05 amSen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) is no longer opposed to including a public option in health care reform, saying, “I have not closed my mind to any option.” However, he told the Journal-Star newspaper that he does not want it to “‘destabilize or adversely affect‘ the private health insurance coverage now in place for most Americans.”
When one factors in the number of Americans covered by publicly-funded healthcare in the form of Medicare, Medicaid, and the government employees whose insurance is paid by taxpayers, plus the number of Americans with no healthcare coverage, the concept that “most” Americans are covered by private, for-profit insurance is a very small majority at best.
PEACE
June 1st, 2009 at 9:06 amAre you kidding? To Republicans, the person(s) responsible aren’t terrorists, they are heroes.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:07 amGood morning, campers.
if Tiller had been assassinated 11 months ago, Bush would have awarded the Medal of Freedom to his killer.
On a brighter note: :-)
June 1st, 2009 at 9:11 amHow about those Red Wings?
A large majority of which, I’m sure, were committed by “good christians.”
June 1st, 2009 at 9:14 amCorrect me if wrong, but doesn’t Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) have a pretty sweet “public option” for his own health coverage?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:14 amyou can’t be a “good christian” without being a violent psychopath
June 1st, 2009 at 9:17 amTo be fair, there are some serious repudiations for these actions coming from pro-life groups, notably some Catholic groups. Furthermore, much of the republican party is controlled by big business with big money, who only use god rhetoric to stir up the intellectually feeble. As much as I don’t like those people, I don’t want to put blood on their hands. This is too serious to spread the blame around.
In my mind, this falls squarely on those that want to rule this nation like a theocracy. Those that want to take the judgmental, empowering parts of religion and ignore the challenging ones.
A final note I want to add is that on many progressive blogs, I still see people defending Christianity and saying how it isn’t all bad and Christians are not all blood-thirsty nuts. If that is true, you all need to make yourselves known, because your defense becomes harder to believe every day.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:18 amyou can’t trust someone that actually believes there is a magic man in the sky that created, controls, and cares about everything to make rational decisions
June 1st, 2009 at 9:21 amAlso, just wondering, should we find the church that Tiller’s assassin belongs to and waterboard the congregation to learn if there are any more acts of terror in the works? According the the right, that would be the protocol it seems….
June 1st, 2009 at 9:21 amTo be fair, there are some serious repudiations for these actions coming from pro-life groups, notably some Catholic groups.
The opposite of “Choice” is not “life,” but coercion. “Pro-Life” advocates want nothing less than to compel every pregnancy to be delivered. Obviously, they will stop at nothing to coerce women to deliver children. It does not matter that the ‘authority’ coercing such births is the Ratzi, the Nazi, or Randall Terry…
June 1st, 2009 at 9:25 amSandoz76 says:
To be fair, there are some serious repudiations for these actions coming from pro-life groups…
Along with some nod, nod, wink, wink
June 1st, 2009 at 9:28 amSandoz76 Says:
To Republicans, the person(s) responsible aren’t terrorists, they are heroes.
To be fair, there are some serious repudiations for these actions coming from pro-life groups, notably some Catholic groups. Furthermore, much of the republican party is controlled by big business with big money, who only use god rhetoric to stir up the intellectually feeble. As much as I don’t like those people, I don’t want to put blood on their hands. This is too serious to spread the blame around.
In my mind, this falls squarely on those that want to rule this nation like a theocracy. Those that want to take the judgmental, empowering parts of religion and ignore the challenging ones.
A final note I want to add is that on many progressive blogs, I still see people defending Christianity and saying how it isn’t all bad and Christians are not all blood-thirsty nuts. If that is true, you all need to make yourselves known, because your defense becomes harder to believe every day.
Sandoz – I think you answered your last comment with the one above it which I “bolded.” There are many Christians, myself among them, who do NOT ascribe to the false righteousness demonstrated by far-right Christians. Who believe in the importance of the separation of Church and State. The far-right Christian movement has given true Christianity a terrible black eye, and in fact, I don’t believe they should or can be described as “Christian.” They are truly the opposite of that. They are described by Jesus: “”Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits.” Matthew 7:15-16a (KJV)
June 1st, 2009 at 9:30 am…point taken. I certainly wasn’t trying to say that this was an authentic representation of their stance. I was just dipping into our impoverished vernacular.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:30 amThe National Abortion Federation “has documented more than 6,100 acts of violence against abortion providers in the United States and Canada since 1977.”
This kind of sheds a new light on the republicans’ manufactured controversy over the DHS report on right-wing terrorism, doesn’t it?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:39 amHere’s a nice idea: Huckabee/Jindal
Ewwwwwwwwwwwww
June 1st, 2009 at 9:40 amIf 45 of Judge Sotomayor’s former law clerks signed a letter praising her, and only 4 didn’t (and we don’t know if that’s because they didn’t agree with the letter or if they were just unavailable), that’s about a 91.8% approval rating.
I have worked for many bosses, and if each one of them polled their current and former direct reports, I daresay very few of them would come up with a number higher than that one — and certainly none of the “abrasive” ones.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:47 amGood Morning, youngsters….Just another Monday in America…Several things are troubling today….First on the list the story of Dr. Tiller being murdered while attending his own church by an enraged reich winged mad man….Home grown terrorism still abounds….It seems to me we haven’t progressed much…When our society is being run by the limpdick, O’lilies, coulters and media mouth pieces with only 2 brain cells to rub together this will continue…The weak minded followers get their cue from the loud mouth radical’s…People like the one’s listed above are as guilty as the gunman with their hate speech..
Recieved an interesting email article from Greg Palest this morning regarding the GM mess..Why haven’t our official’s made all the financial raiders accountable for the close to 2 trillion they got away with under bush and now President Obama?…..What’s wrong with this picture.?…Instead workers and retirees of the auto industry are squashed while the wealthy are no longer held accountable..Kind of like the fight we are having to wage to get our Gov. to investigate and charge the many guilty for war crime’s…Jeebos, it makes this old witch very tired…
Finelly, I was thinking this morning about out port’s..You all remember,? Dubi (sp) baught them, we put up a fuss and they were to sell them…After a short time on a back page of a paper it was announced they coulden’t find a buyer..Yep! sure…Another under the carpet or radar moment taken care of…27 ports here in the USA are still owned by them, what’s with that?….Oh and BTW there’s a bigger issue, we are still at war on atleast 3 front’s and supporting Israel’s rampages….When will the war’s here at home and around the world stop.?….My guess, when people are held accountable for their action’s on all front’s, not by a bomb or bullett but by the law and action’s of Peace….Blessings are still needed….Sorry for the length..
June 1st, 2009 at 9:49 amThe official comment on the murder of Dr. Tiller from Randall Terry of Operation Rescue included this choice phrase:
George Tiller was a mass-murderer. We grieve for him that he did not have time to properly prepare his soul to face God.
Yes, that’s the thing to grieve for, that he didn’t have time to prepare his soul. Of course, had he not been murdered by a terrorist whose actions were encouraged by Terry and his ilk, his soul could have stayed in his living body until he died of natural causes.
PEACE
June 1st, 2009 at 9:51 amNonProfit Community Hospitals defend their tax free status
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/us/politics/01health.html?_r=2&hpw
One of my health care deform predictions, perpetrated by Congress and advisers beholden to for-profit health care companies:
http://stateofthedivision.blogspot.com/2009/05/health-care-deform-predictions.html
June 1st, 2009 at 9:51 amRecall guns will be allowed in National Parks and Texas universities. I take it courthouses and hospitals are next.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:53 amWitch1 Says:
Why haven’t our official’s made all the financial raiders accountable for the close to 2 trillion they got away with under bush and now President Obama?…..What’s wrong with this picture.?…Instead workers and retirees of the auto industry are squashed while the wealthy are no longer held accountable.
BINGO! I keep saying this over and over to everyone I can say it to. Where do you think all that money went? It didn’t just disappear. Somebody took it, “financial raiders” as you say. That’s what burns me. These guys are sitting back in their comfy chairs in their mansions with their big boats and all their toys. And they are the ones crying about how they shouldn’t have to pay more taxes. And the Republicans are defending them to the hilt, while the rest of the public suffers from the worst recession since the Depression. Grr, argh.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:55 amJeffboste Says:
Is Abortion murder?
Is euthanasia?
Is corporal punishment?
Is hospice care?
IMO, yes, but all necessary under certain circumstances.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:56 amHey Spencers Mom – indeed!? And the GOPers are worried about the detainees in our backyard when we’ve got terrorists right here!
My goodness – most of these anti-abortion, pro-lifers are out of control and batshytecrazy.
The christians who are not extremists need to get a grip on the religious crazies who claim that committing evil acts in the name of Jezis and Gawd is good. Reign them in. They need to pray the crazy away or something dang!
June 1st, 2009 at 9:57 amIt’s very sad to see Obama betraying the very union workers that helped him get elected. By firing 21,000 union employees, GM gets to keep the cash they were contractually obligated to pay for pensions, health care, and benefits. Money they knowingly underfunded from the start. Good luck getting anything out of that stock to pay for pensions. This puts Obama up there with Reagan for union busting. With policy like this American middle class and working poor will fail which in turn just strengthens the GOP position against the Obama administration. We need a strong truly progressive 3rd party now!
June 1st, 2009 at 10:00 amSo Bill O’Reilly ran a years long campaign railing against Dr. Tiller as “Tiller the Baby Killer”. Among his many pieces on the doctor are quotes from BillO suggesting that the people of Kansas need to stop this man. He has spoken of Tiller meeting his “Judgement Day”. I’m sure BillO will man-up and take some moral responsibility for his murder seeing as he has run a one man crusade against this man for years. Congratulations Bill-O, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED…@sshole
June 1st, 2009 at 10:04 amThe SEC took bold action last week. It charged 10 brokers from a brokerage that went belly up in 2007.
http://peureport.blogspot.com/2009/05/sec-goes-after-bad-cmo-salesmen-from.html
June 1st, 2009 at 10:04 amA good article discussing BillO’s obsession with Dr. Tiller:
June 1st, 2009 at 10:05 amhttp://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/05/31/tiller/
I’m sure BillO will man-up and take some moral responsibility for his murder seeing as he has run a one man crusade against this man for years.
Naw. He’ll probably just write another book.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:06 amIt will be quite interesting to see if O’Reilly even touches that subject. He cannot avoid criticism if he agrees or disagrees with the slaying, so the only way he can save himself is if he ignores the story altogether.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:06 amIs Abortion murder?
No.
Why do you ask? Are you considering one? It ain’t nobody’s bidness but your own…
June 1st, 2009 at 10:15 amNah. I know you’re being facetious, but it’s a pretty sure bet that Billdo will act all sanctimonious and self-righteously condemn this act, but in the next breath will say something like, “you reap what you sow” to undercut his already weak, perfunctory condemnation.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:17 amA Patriotic Anopheles Acting,
Talking heads like O’Reilly need to be fined or penalized in some way. A message needs to be sent to the wingnut conservative media: excercise your freedom of speech rights but beware of the hefty fine that will be placed on you for inciting violence.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:17 amEleven progressive groups are planning to spend at least $82 million to push health care reform that includes a public health insurance plan option.
Seems like the money spent on any side’s campaign regarding health care would pay for it.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:22 amIt ain’t nobody’s bidness but your own…
And that somehow absolves the moral crime-by keeping it personal?
Please.
Like I said, if you haven’t been through one, you really should keep your un-informed comments to yourself.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:26 amabortion should be safe, legal, and rare
right wingers push policies that increase the need for abortion
June 1st, 2009 at 10:29 amAnd that somehow absolves the moral crime-by keeping it personal?
what “moral crime?”
It’s a personal decision. A woman’s choice.
If you don’t like abortions, don’t have one.
Easy, hunh?
June 1st, 2009 at 10:35 amabortion should be safe, legal, and rare
abortion should be safe, legal,
and rareand free.Fixed it fer ya…
June 1st, 2009 at 10:37 amthere was nothing to fix
it’s rarity can be helped with sex ed, contraceptives, and economic prosperity
June 1st, 2009 at 10:39 amAll but four of Sotomayor’s former clerks signed the letter? Get them on the TV stat. Each of their opinions is worth at least ten of the clerks who do support her. The news must be fair and balanced.
I heard a rumor, I don’t know if it’s true but I’ll pass it along anyway, that she once completely forgot about the birthday of one of her clerks, didn’t bring a present or have an office cake or anything!
June 1st, 2009 at 10:51 am“And that somehow absolves the moral crime-by keeping it personal?…Like I said, if you haven’t been through one, you really should keep your un-informed comments to yourself.”
DNFP: Okay, I’ll be the first to ‘fess up. Who are you to judge whether abortion is a “moral crime”? The decision to have an abortion was MY personal decision, and, if there is a god to whom I must answer eventually, so be it. No one else has the right to label me as a moral criminal.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:04 amIt is a staggering irony that religion/christianity has been so fused with murder, torture and genocide; with even a torture device as a symbol.
From running people off their land to detaining innocent people to outright violent death supported by the religions’ ‘governing body,’ regardless of the written tenets of whatever faith is indulging in the self-serving call to arms amongst their ‘flock;’ so-called christian movements have caused more death and destruction, in the name of a ‘peacemaker’ legend, then any other organization in history; Certainly the history of the US, and arguably of the rest of the world.
Why are churches, synagogues, temples, etc. not denouncing the Iraq war, vigilantism, torture, and the like instead of having the ’spokesmen’ for these so-called faith-based organizations playing politics and trying to top each other in shameless promotion, righteous diktat soundbites, holy-ish proclamations, and controversy.
Why are Pat Robertson and his ilk allowed to spew such idiocy rather than relegated to the bedraggled street corner where he so rightly belongs? Surely calling for assassination, murder and oppression, all in the name of his alleged ‘Prince of Peace,’ qualifies him for removal of office/seniority and being kicked out of whatever organization styles itself as ‘christian?’
But that isn’t what these organizations are for, is it? If these organizations were truly christian, they would be markedly different then they are now.
They are little more than moneycancers and huckstering scolds who depend on emotional response and weakness to make sucker bets and surround themselves with legalistic barbed wire.
Show me a ‘popular TV preacher’ and I’ll show you a fully staffed and secure law firm with round-the-clock legal talent shaving the tax laws and ducking responsibility for their client’s nationally televised thievery and the occasional diddling of the congregation.
Religious organizations like Jerry Falwell’s should be reduced to the telemarketing christian scammer-madrasas that they are; subject to telemarketing regulation and beholden to tax laws when they decide to dabble in national politics, which has always been the case.
Churches should be denouncing wars and conflicts, not inviting recruiters to make a pitch to their congregations.
Churches are simply corporations with snake-oil witchdoctors as CEOs exhorting their benighted ATM sheep into trying to pay their way out of ’sin’ and into ‘heaven;’ the mythical place that no one has ever seen but people are gulled into forking over their money in exchange for the mere promise of granted access. It’d be simpler to go back to hairshirts.
‘Prayer cloth,’ anyone?
June 1st, 2009 at 11:04 amWhat we need to do is hold all our administration’s feet to the fire, President Obama did tell us to do that after all…First on our list of massive email’s, patitions and phone calls should be in ending the war’s and stop all the money we send to Israel…
Second, all the last administration should be held accountable for war crime’s..From cheney, bush on down the line to the writer like yoo…Add rove to the list and lock them all up..They are after all more guilty than some poor schmuck caught with a dubi and need to go to jail..
Third we need to flood them with demand’s of accountability about the financial bail out fund’s…All the money there should be returned and put into businesses that build’s something and truly creates job’s..
Next we need to lean heavy on our Gov. officials and the FCC to stop the hate speech on our air way’s….Dr. Tiller was murdered because hateful people like O’lilie were allowed to blast and harass him for over 4 year’s until a mindless killer carried out O’lilies will….Blessings
June 1st, 2009 at 11:20 am#44.hanshiro, great post….Thank you for posting…Blessings
June 1st, 2009 at 11:26 amGood on you Jane. I have been peripherally involved with several close friends who were part of the decision to have an abortion and it was a hard decision and it was not treated casually.
But in every case the women chose wisely and feel that it was the best decision.
The extreme hypocrisy of the Christian Right is that everything they espouse leads to more abortions and everything they fight would limit the number of abortions.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:27 amWatchdog, you’re an idiot. What do you think happens any time any President of the United States travels to NYC?
I won’t even get into the actual disgrace to the Office of the President that Bush was every single day for eight years. Jeez!
June 1st, 2009 at 11:30 amsnoozepup; you’re funnier than a bag of shit.
You say nothing about the war crimes committed by the previous administration, but work yourself into a frothy false outrage about the Obamas taking a night on the town.
You really are a horse’s ass.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:31 amI wonder how much it cost to ship Bush back and forth to Crawford on his endless vacations.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:33 amThanks, nanlichi. I won’t sit quietly while others accuse me and millions of other women of a “moral crime.”
June 1st, 2009 at 11:33 am#43 Jane….Good to read you here today…Great post..Thank you for posting…As a woman and fighter for the right to choose from the beginning I am pleased when one of us mentions their choice..There will be no judgment in my opinion,,You after all were exercising your right…..Blessings Dear one.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:35 amMorning, Witch1, thanks! Even though I am now well beyond the age where I might have to make such a decision again, I will staunchly defend all womens’s right to choose without being judged, even if it means dragging out my past.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:40 amJane E;
June 1st, 2009 at 11:44 amWell said.
Hi, Uncle Ho! :D
June 1st, 2009 at 11:49 am46.watchdog Says: that’s for three private jets, two helicopter rides, extra planes for security and closing roads for motorcade
At least Obama’s time off didn’t extend to a month-long vacation after ignoring, arguably, the most important and time-sensitive PDB in US history.
Obama’s time off reportedly cost £45,000 and no one died.
bush’s time off cost us 3,000+ lives initially and currently over 1 MILLION LIVES, both US and Iraqi and countless BILLIONS of dollars.
Now that is a disgrace!
June 1st, 2009 at 11:55 amThe birth of my first son was the greatest moment of my life and I called my sister (anti-choice) to share the moment. She said in her best smug and self righteous voice, “Well, now, does that make you change your mind about abortions?”
I said, “Absolutely not, it strengthens my feelings about choice. Every child is so precious and deserves the absolute best we can offer. If the developing zygote is not going to be given that absolute best, is unwanted, or the mother is forced to bring it to term, then that is a travesty and wrong.”
June 1st, 2009 at 11:59 amThanks for sharing Jane. Maybe if more of us talked about these decisions the extremists will see that few women make their choise casually. I was faced with the choice when my 20 weeks gestation fetus was diagnosed with hypoplastic left heart syndrome. While I chose to carry the child to term, that decision was between me, my family, my doctor, and my God, and I will defend our right to make those choices ourselves.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:26 pmYou’re welcome, Outstanding. Thank you, too, that must have been a difficult decision for you as well.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:43 pmOh, jeez, I just noticed that I typed “womens’s” – sorry, brainfart!
June 1st, 2009 at 12:45 pm______
ralph the wonder locust Says:
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A Patriotic Anopheles Acting Says:
So Bill O’Reilly ran a years long campaign railing against Dr. Tiller as “Tiller the Baby Killer”. Among his many pieces on the doctor are quotes from BillO suggesting that the people of Kansas need to stop this man. He has spoken of Tiller meeting his “Judgement Day”. I’m sure BillO will man-up and take some moral responsibility for his murder seeing as he has run a one man crusade against this man for years.
Nah. I know you’re being facetious, but it’s a pretty sure bet that Billdo will act all sanctimonious and self-righteously condemn this act, but in the next breath will say something like, “you reap what you sow” to undercut his already weak, perfunctory condemnation.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:17 am
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I’m sure O’Reilly feels every bit as responsible for this murder as any of you would have felt if the same thing had happened to Bush. After all, how many posters here advocated that Bush be stopped? Apparently, that means you are advocating violence.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:55 pm“I’m sure O’Reilly feels every bit as responsible for this murder as any of you would have felt if the same thing had happened to Bush. After all, how many posters here advocated that Bush be stopped? Apparently, that means you are advocating violence.”
How many posters here advocated that Bush actually be assassinated, and how many more simply called for his impeachment? And how many posters here have their own TV and radio shows on which to advocate for anything?
June 1st, 2009 at 1:06 pmJane, the previous post is a stark reminder of the blind fanaticism of Bush loyalists. To compare calls for impeachment to an act of terrorism is psychotic. We must never allow such a phenomenae as the Bush cult to gain power in our country again.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:19 pm______
Jane E. Schneider Says:
How many posters here advocated that Bush actually be assassinated, and how many more simply called for his impeachment? And how many posters here have their own TV and radio shows on which to advocate for anything?
June 1st, 2009 at 1:06 pm
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Did O’Reilly suggest that Tiller should be assassinated? If so, he should feel responsible. The comment to which I responded didn’t say that.
The “we are just bloggers and shouldn’t be held to any standards” argument is very weak. Your comments are public and you know there are posters with user names like die now for peace and ranting tommy. Ranting tommy thinks President Obama is mentally ill. How normal is that? There have been people here who advocated torturing Bush. Some of the regulars have called them on it. Much like O’Reilly will probably condemn Tiller’s murderer. You are no different, just on the other side of the argument. ;)
June 1st, 2009 at 1:41 pm______
shoeless Says:
Jane, the previous post is a stark reminder of the blind fanaticism of Bush loyalists. To compare calls for impeachment to an act of terrorism is psychotic. We must never allow such a phenomenae as the Bush cult to gain power in our country again.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:19 pm
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Sorry, bud, but I wanted him to be impeached as well. I didn’t support the war. Who would have thought impeachment would be off the table after the 2006 elections. ;)
June 1st, 2009 at 1:44 pmupright left Says:
The “we are just bloggers and shouldn’t be held to any standards” argument is very weak. Your comments are public and you know there are posters with user names like die now for peace and ranting tommy
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Not it is NOT weak it is definitive. Anyone coming to a site like this KNOWS we are just people, what is said here is the equivalent of cocktail party gossip and that is clear to anyone. Having a nationally syndicated show carries with it a certain legitimacy, it says you are a VOICE of some segment of the people. Everyone knows what is said here represents only those who say it.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:50 pmUpchuck left, O’Reilly is really going to be pissed to find that my tiny comment on this blog has the same impact as his “millions” of viewers. Why spend all that money on advertising when he could just post on TP?
You are so intellectually dishonest it stinks.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:52 pm______
EugeneDebs Says:
Not it is NOT weak it is definitive. Anyone coming to a site like this KNOWS we are just people, what is said here is the equivalent of cocktail party gossip and that is clear to anyone. Having a nationally syndicated show carries with it a certain legitimacy, it says you are a VOICE of some segment of the people. Everyone knows what is said here represents only those who say it.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:50 pm
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So, deb, if you were in O’Reilly’s place, which opinions you’ve stated here would you change. What comments that you’ve made do you consider to be inappropriate to be heard or read by a larger number of people than read TP. Maybe the ones suggesting that people should kill themselves? You might not be the best person to admonish others for their speech, bud. What steps have you taken to be sure that no unbalanced liberal reads your words and goes out and hurts someone. I would love to see the cocktail parties that you consider to be the equivalent of TP. Either TP has substantially fewer readers and is much more private than it appears, or there are some monstrously large cocktail parties going on. ;)
June 1st, 2009 at 2:10 pmThe government’s plan has JP Morgan, Citibank and Credit Suisse getting 100 cents on the dollar from GM.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124338322763456581.html
http://stateofthedivision.blogspot.com/2009/06/obama-plan-makes-gms-secured-lenders.html
It brings back memories of AIG counter party payments. More corporafornication.
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nanlichi Says:
Upchuck left, O’Reilly is really going to be pissed to find that my tiny comment on this blog has the same impact as his “millions” of viewers. Why spend all that money on advertising when he could just post on TP?
You are so intellectually dishonest it stinks.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:52 pm
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My response to deb fits your comment as well. Do you watch olbermann or listen to Air America? If so, did you have any problem with their characterizations of Bush? Were you at all worried that anyone might be encouraged by their words to do something stupid? Would any of their commentators have borne any responsibility had one of their listeners taken a shot at Bush? You can’t honestly say that you believe that they would, can you? If a person advocates violence, they bear some responsibility if it happens. Stating your opinion that a person is engaging in inappropriate or illegal actions is not inciting violence. While comments on a blog may be read by fewer people than listen to O’Reilly, you have no way of knowing who is reading those comments and whether they are responsible for setting off some nutjob. You are every bit as responsible for your words as anyone who speaks on television.
June 1st, 2009 at 2:44 pmI just want to personally thank Bobby Jindal. I had never watched 30 Rock, I don’t watch many sit-coms.
But after his failingly dorky TeeVee speech and all the comments about how he was like Kenneth the page, I started watching the show.
Love it!
(Won’t vote for ya, Bobby. Sorry)
June 1st, 2009 at 3:19 pmWould Ben Nelson be for a health program that would guarantee ALL Americans the same health care he is afforded?
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June 2nd, 2009 at 1:07 amwatchdog Says
What must be said is that you are a moron who does nothing but heap your stupid on this board. Arent you tired of humiliating yourself by showing how stupid and pitiful you are day after day?
June 2nd, 2009 at 5:23 amHey Kevin. I just saw the YouTube video about web 3.0 and I have had this idea about our future economy.
June 6th, 2009 at 4:49 amIt’s a bit in tune with the Zeitgeist film. See, if all of our knowledge was shared, we couldn’t make money of it. Siki?
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I’m a musician and I kinda have the feeling that in the future people will pay for live performances, because we have computer software that is very close to sounding like a musical instrument, with a modelled human touch. So, if a person that has never played the guitar, can click a button and sound like Jimi Hendrix, than what is the coolness about all this digital music really? Infact, I think that the more advanced this gets, the less interesting it becomes. We are still in awe over a youngster that can make the violin cry and we will definately be in even more awe when a person can actually do with their fingers that what we can do in an iPhone application.