Ingraham and O’Reilly joke that MSNBC and liberal blogs are responsible for attack on Army recruiting center.
Ingraham and O’Reilly joke that MSNBC and liberal blogs are responsible for attack on Army recruiting center.
Yesterday, “[a] 23-year-old man upset about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan opened fire from his truck at two soldiers standing outside a military recruiting station here on Monday morning, killing one private and wounding another.” In response, conservative talker Laura Ingraham suggested that websites and news outlets that have been critical of the war in Iraq were responsible for the obviously horrible attack. Her guest Bill O’Reilly seemed to agree with her tongue-in-cheek reasoning:
INGRAHAM: Are we now going to look at the websites that he frequented to see if he was on some of the crazy left-wing anti-war websites, Win Without War, George Soros-funded websites, DailyKos, all the crazies. … The way they are reporting on the George Tiller murder, all of talk radio was responsible for that. … Did he frequent MSNBC, did he like to watch it? [...]
O’REILLY: Since they have been unrelenting in describing their country as a torture nation, I’m sure that set this muslim guy off to kill one and wound another of our military and I’m sure that’s NBC’s fault. Look, the absurdity of this is beyond the pale.
Listen to a compilation here:
These commentators weren’t criticizing O’Reilly and groups like Operation Rescue simply because they are opposed to abortion. Many right-wing activists used words like “murderer” and “killer” when they criticized Tiller’s abortion practices. O’Reilly, in particular, sent his producers to ambush Tiller and said that anyone who didn’t “stop” Tiller would have “blood on their hands.”
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What an amazing load of pig sh*t! If the left blames anyone over the years for the debacle in the middle east, it has been the Rethugs who started these wars. At all times, the soldiers were portrayed as among the victims of the thug crimes. NEVER have I heard anyone on the left blame the military!
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:27 pmThe guy is a murderer and deserves to be punished to the full extent of the law. Killing people to make a political point is cowardly stupid and counterproductive to boot. I hope he rots in prison for the rest of his life assuming he is guilty.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:27 pmO’REILLY: Since they have been unrelenting in describing their country as a torture nation, I’m sure that set this muslim guy off to kill one and wound another of our military and I’m sure that’s NBC’s fault.
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You’re on the right track, Bill. But I highly doubt it was merely the description of our country as a torture nation that set Mr. Muhammad off. I think the FACT that we ARE a torture nation was probably the last straw.
Not that I support or agree with Mr. Muhammad’s actions, and I hereby condemn them on behalf of all progressives.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:28 pmO’Reilly: “…Look, the absurdity of this is beyond the pale.”
Well, you got that part right at least, BillO.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:28 pmIngraham & O’Reilly are frauds, and sick ones at that. Their opinionated rants are without merit, but taken seriously by their ill-informed listeners.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:28 pmcandide
Of course not but then since when has the rightwing let REALITY get in the way of a propaganda meme?
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:29 pmMichelle Bachmann has some competition from former Congresswomen Marilyn Musgrave (R-CO).
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:30 pmhttp://www.denverpost.com/ci_12498085
EugeneDebs Says:
Killing people to make a political point is cowardly stupid and counterproductive to boot.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:27 pm
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Yup. And if he did read any left-wing anti-war web sites, he obviously wasn’t reading very carefully.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:30 pmDumb and Dumber on display.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:31 pmThis is critical from the linked article:
In a lengthy interview with the police, Mr. Muhammad said he was angry about the killing of Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan, Chief Thomas said. Previously known as Carlos Bledsoe, Mr. Muhammad told investigators that he had converted to Islam as a teenager, Chief Thomas said.
This is not a leftist ideology that drove this man to murder. This appears to be radical fundamentalist ideology. The fact that these right wing pundits can’t even get the basic facts right is obviously just grasping at straws after the Tiller murder. Disgusting. It’s so basic and right there in the article, and yet every troll will get it wrong on every site, including this one. Blind to facts.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:32 pmTo this is the regressives idea of empathy – This poor Muslim-convert murderer was influenced by the radial left media?
NEWSFLASH: No one from any media outlet EVER called our soldiers “murderers”, unless they’ve bee convicted in a court of murder.
The same cannot be said of O’Liar who continuously called for Tillers head on a spit.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:36 pmINGRAHAM: Are we now going to look at the websites that he frequented to see if he was on some of the crazy left-wing anti-war websites,
If being against war, and death, and bloodshed, is crazy, then what is it called when you are for those things?
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:36 pmJust another attempt to conflate two separate issues in order for the reight wing to avoid their own culpability…
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:37 pmOMG! We’ve been found out! I didn’t know anything about it, but I’m sure with the proper level of waterboarding I will admit my role in planning and carrying out these heinous crimes.
PEACE
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:37 pm(my god, I new a new keyboard, hate using laptop tiny keys…)
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:37 pmIf it’s not too much trouble, could O’Reilly specify ONE INSTANCE where anybody at MSNBC claimed that our soldiers are evil and that anybody who didn’t stop them would have “blood on their hands”?
Yes, there have been plenty of pundits and talking heads at MSNBC and other places who have condemned torture and have even accused people in high places of authorizing it. Just as there have been plenty of pundits and talking heads at Fox News and other places who have condemned abortion, particularly late-term abortions.
The difference? O’Reilly practically painted a bulls-eye target on Tiller. Nobody ever suggested that a couple of soldiers fresh out of basic training who were doing a short stint at a recruiting station were any harm to anyone.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:39 pmI’m surprised that BillO hasn’t blamed ‘the left’ for the soldier in Iraq who shot up a bunch of his fellow soldiers a few weeks ago.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:39 pmLeft wing and progressive blogs have NEVER suggested killing as a means of war protest. People like O’Reilly and Ingraham encourage others to kill by using the words “killer” when describing someone who’s policies they are opposed to.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:40 pmThis may be a tipping point.
Terrorism is terrorism, regardless of ideology or party.
I’d like to think that both of these unfortunate & needless killings could at least result in dialogue.
Perhaps I’m kidding myself just to try & take something positive away from these tragedies.
The Right has always fell short in taking responsibility, but are quick to claim the lack therein of others.
The Left has always been anti-war, but seldom are known for random or drive-by killings.
Laura ‘little whore on the prairie’ Ingraham & Billdo are quick to shout, but DO NOT represent the Right. They represent themselves, & wouldn’t bother to make statements if it wasn’t in interest of their ratings.
America has room for both sides of politics. What’s really screwing it up is allowing a huge megaphone like Fixed Noise to broadcast drivel & hate 24/7, & then using Ingraham & Billdo as mouthpieces. This is the same woman who made fun of Meghan McCain being a ‘plus’ size.
Do they make an Anorexic size, Laura?
We need to turn down or turn off Hate Radio & Terror TV. That would be a great place to start. We need 2,3 or 4 opinions on every important issue. We were told for 8 years that only one approach would work. It didn’t.
The next time you hear an opinion you don’t agree with, take the time to express yours. If you don’t have anything to say, don’t. Words have meaning. Choose yours carefully.
We’ll all be better off for it.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:41 pmA recent study had determined that ninety percent of bill o’reilly’s listeners are victims of bad parenting.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:42 pmO’REILLY: Since they have been unrelenting in describing their country as a torture nation,
Once again, we see the root cause of our problems for the past 8 years. These Bush worshippers continue to conflate the Bush administration with “our nation”.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:42 pmAs a member of the “crazy-left”, in regards to the military, the only thing I’ve ever done is rally to bring the troops home and to be against using them in illegal wars in the first place.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:43 pmOT – I’ve heard of pro-choice politicians but I don’t know anyone that is pro-abortion. That’s absurd.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:44 pmThere is a huge difference between stating the truth about torture- which we did -and calling someone a “baby killer”, distorting the number of abortions he performed and calling him a mass murderer.
O’Reilly has blood on his hands and he just trying to shift blame because he’s scared.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:47 pmI also don’t know where I’d fit in all this. I’m a “crazy leftie” who served and I’m not afraid to speak up about torture and denounce those who participated…
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:48 pmExactly. Isn’t it amazing how these wingnuts can turn anything on it’s head?
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:48 pmIt’s really amazing how all of a sudden personal responsibility, in this case of the man who shot the two soldiers, flies out the window when the reightwingers want to vilify their opponents…amazing, not surprising…
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:51 pmHey Ingram, the reason the guy attacked the recruiting center was simple, Bush arttacked Iraq for no reason and left behind a mees to be cleaned up by someone else. Nice try. And do soemthing about the horrible voice of yours.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:51 pmand, sweet lord: can we talk about gun control again? please?
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:52 pmThis is the one issue that I disagree with most liberals about. I would love to see a world without guns, but, I’m a realist and I know that outlawing guns will be as disastrous as outlawing drugs.
It will just create a black market complete with all the violence and death that comes along with it.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:53 pmWell, at least ingram and orielly are on the defense. Not a good one but at lease its defense finally……
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:54 pmBased on O’Rielly’s definition:
O’REILLY is responsible for the murder of Dr. Tiller!
Then again, that would be expecting O’Rielly to have a single-standard, and that would be very anti-O’Rielly.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:56 pmI remember, Tommy. I understand the complexity, and am not completely opposed to all gun control. But the literal barrage of these incidents is wearing me down. They are NOT having this large a problem in other developed nations. Not at this scale. A black market is still prohibitive to a great deal of would be gun buyers who are unhinged AND ideologically insane. If there was effective control and resources….
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:59 pmLiberals are not out to take everyones guns. We just want common sense legislation. No one needs a fully automatic weapon or an rpg to drive around our cities with.
Hand guns have proven to be a problem that goes beyond self defense in highly populated areas.
What liberals want is for America to turn it’s back on returning America to the old west mentality that the right craves.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:01 pmRealness, I think you would still have an increase in violence if you turned over the market for firearms to criminals.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:02 pmBill-o’s obviously grasping at straws here, but his “MSNBC did it too!” isn’t going to fly very well in this instance.
If we compare the Tiller murder and the Little Rock soldier murder, we can find some similarities and some differences.
Similarities include:
1. Both incidents were tragic.
2. Neither victim was doing anything illegal.
3. Both (alleged) shooters appeared to be acting with heavy influence from propaganda and rhetoric, and believed they were doing something “good”.
Differences include:
1. George Tiller was mentioned BY NAME in the propaganda absorbed by his killer. The young soldier killed in Little Rock was not.
2. George Tiller was described as evil by his critics. Nobody has ever made similar accusations about this soldier or about our soldiers in general.
3. The propaganda against Tiller was thrown at him even though what he was doing was LEGAL. The opponents of torture have been castigating our leaders for authorizing and engaging in ILLEGAL activities, and want them held accountable. (and it’s worth pointing out here that so far we have no evidence that the Little Rock shooter was motivated by the torture debate — his beef so far seems to be the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan).
If in fact, MSNBC had been spewing a lot of garbage about how the soldiers were to blame for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and how they should be stopped, they would be partially responsible for any act of violence carried out against somebody in military uniform. And I’d be first in line calling for accountability. But they haven’t, and they’re not.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:02 pmTommy, I need a quick fact check:
The police confiscated a Russian-made SKS semiautomatic rifle, a .22-caliber rifle and a handgun from his black pickup truck.
break down the gun laws for these, respectively, if you will. I’m curious. The article didn’t say which one was used, either.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:03 pmAnd for not being a fearful nation easily manipulated by fear-mongering…
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:03 pmFred, I get the reasons for wanting guns outlawed, I really do, I’m a liberal.
I just see the problems caused by outlawing drugs dwarfing the problems the actual drugs cause and fear the same thing would happen with guns.
I know liberals are not out to take anyone’s guns, that is a right wing canard. I’m just stating what would happen if we tried to outlaw them.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:04 pmINGRAHAM: Are we now going to look at the websites that he frequented to see if he was on some of the crazy left-wing anti-war websites, Win Without War, George Soros-funded websites, DailyKos, all the crazies.
Ummmm…Laura? Considering how pacifist and anti-violence most of us “crazies” are, I’d say there’s a better chance that the shooter was more frequently “on some of the crazy right-wing” websites — you know, like nra.org, nuts_with_guns.com, falafel_me_please.tv, stalkers_with_cameras.com… Just a hunch, though…
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:04 pmRealness, I’m not sure why you want me to go do research on existing gun laws.
My statement was simply that outlawing guns will not get rid of guns, only provide criminals with another market.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:06 pmWhat is the evidence for this lie? The guy owns an AK-47 which means he is a NRA nut. Which way do you think he leans. He is a terrorist just like O’Reilly.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:07 pmexactly, matt
religion is poison, no matter what flavor
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:10 pmINGRAHAM: Are we now going to look at the websites that he frequented to see if he was on some of the crazy left-wing anti-war websites, Win Without War, George Soros-funded websites, DailyKos, all the crazies. … The way they are reporting on the George Tiller murder, all of talk radio was responsible for that. … Did he frequent MSNBC, did he like to watch it? [...]
Where and when did any site or individual this brainless banshee named , ever advocate or encourage cold-blooded murder ?
Sheesh ………….
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:11 pmoh no, not to make a point, I genuinely don’t know the ins and outs and specifics and all that. more thinking out loud.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:14 pmDid anyone else notice that this guy is being tried with fifteen counts of terrorist acts, once for each bullet he fired…? How does that compare with the guy who killed Dr. Tiller?
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:17 pmthis is another example of the right casting about for any — any — way to go on the attack.
they will flog it endlessly but it won’t work.
http://blahgblog.wordpress.com/2009/06/02/the-fever-swamp/
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:17 pmThis is a classic case of quick diversion.
Quick! Look over there! See that! (Now please ignore and forget the fact that O’Rally specifically targeted the practicing Christian Dr. Tiller for over 4 years, who is now dead, murdered by the radical American Taliban).
Mucking forons! Each and everyone of them who falls for this!
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:19 pmThey were both right wing holy rolling extremists, so I guess the only difference is that one is Muslim and the right wingers still think we are at war with Islam.
Besides, right wingers don’t call terrorism by christians terrorism.
Religion, using threats of eternal torture to change behavior, is, by definition, terrorism.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:20 pmLOL! Yeah, Laura & Bill, go ahead and look around. Let me know how many big-name high-profile pundits such as yourselves you see calling Army recruiters Nazis & facists that are OK to murder …
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:21 pmWould it be asking too much to have conservative pundits actually make a factual, logical, cogent argument for a change?
Are they capable of it, intellectually? Or have they become so irrelevant, detached, and disconnected from reality that it is not possible?
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:24 pmYes RantingTommy, religion is poison.
So poison, in fact, that I’ve dedicated my life to practicing peace taught by Jesus.
That I bring love, guidance, and patience to my family.
That I’m a much better person because of my Christianity.
You ostracize those who paint with broad strokes (like the topic of the thread), yet you don’t practice what you preach.
Yes, there are nutzoids involved with all religious demonations, including atheists and agnostics.
But generalizing all as one is unfair and unfounded.
Just sayin…
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:28 pmWell, Bill-O, they arent describing the US as a torture nation, thay are describing the Bush admin, which proclaimed the US doesnt torture, as torturers. Big diff.
Dick Cheney has finally fessed up that Iraq had no ties to 911, even though he said there was until recently. This makes his Iraq war saved lives position pretty much bogus as well.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:32 pmBuford Says:
Did anyone else notice that this guy is being tried with fifteen counts of terrorist acts, once for each bullet he fired…? How does that compare with the guy who killed Dr. Tiller?
and, has anyone qualified tiller’s murder, ASSASSINATION, as a
HATE CRIME?
’cause that’s what it was.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:38 pmLeft wing blogs want to have it both ways. The right is responsible for any nutjob that does something stupid because they were apparently provoked by people like O’Rielly, but when a nutjob on the left does the same thing all the hate and attacks against Bush and the military being murderers blogs couldn’t be held to the same standard. Typical.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:42 pmOh Puh Leez. Conservative talk radio and Fox News contributes to ANTI-American, ANTI Military feelings among many. The way the pundits say the word “Muslim” is as if its the most digusting-vile word to be spoken. “So what if our GUYS tortured some Muuuuuslims- they deserve it!” Its that type of rhetoric that p*sses some folks off
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:42 pmshoeless Says:
INGRAHAM: Are we now going to look at the websites that he frequented to see if he was on some of the crazy left-wing anti-war websites,
I totally condemn what this man has done. On the other hand, I fear that there are many more like him. The things that the Bush Crime Family did in the name of this country will be haunting us for many years to come. Bush created way more enemies of this country than he ever captured or killed.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:44 pmYes, there are nutzoids involved with all religious demonations, including atheists and agnostics.
But generalizing all as one is unfair and unfounded.
Just sayin…
Sayin… what? That atheists are a religious denomination?
Sorry to burst your well blown bubble, but atheists don’t believe in anything “religious.” They are anti-religious, and believe in the things that can be proven, or explained through science. If atheists believe in anything, it’s the infallibility of science (and the scientific method), to explain the complexities of reality and existence.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:44 pmTorture is illegal.
We of the Left are calling for the Justice Department to enforce the Law.
The only names we have mentioned are public figures and the predominant wish for their fate is to do the perp walk.
In fact, someone commented yesterday that he hoped Cheney would live long enough to be prosecuted.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:45 pmbut when a nutjob on the left does the same thing
Liar, he was a religious nut, just like you.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:46 pmLiberals don’t kill people.
Conservatives do.
Nor do Liberal or Progressive blogs encourage killing people.
Christian Conservatives do.
Nutso people with access to guns kill people.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:46 pmJohnM Says:
Left wing blogs want to have it both ways. The right is responsible for any nutjob that does something stupid because they were apparently provoked by people like O’Rielly, but when a nutjob on the left does the same thing all the hate and attacks against Bush and the military being murderers blogs couldn’t be held to the same standard. Typical.
So, where is your proof that the guy who did the killing was a “nutjob on the left”? As far as I can tell, he was someone who was very upset about the way this country treats Muslims. That DOES NOT make him a supporter of the left or a supporter of the right.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:46 pmokay, so I should have chosen “as well as” instead of “including”, barfly.
But you get my jest.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:47 pmJohnM Says:
Left wing blogs want to have it both ways. The right is responsible for any nutjob that does something stupid because they were apparently provoked by people like O’Rielly, but when a nutjob on the left does the same thing all the hate and attacks against Bush and the military being murderers blogs couldn’t be held to the same standard. Typical.
Did the guy reference lefty sites, or rhetoric, like the one who shot two cops did for Rightist media?
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:48 pmBuford Says:
Did anyone else notice that this guy is being tried with fifteen counts of terrorist acts, once for each bullet he fired…? How does that compare with the guy who killed Dr. Tiller?
Ok, let’s say that the guy who did this killing was a white guy. Does anyone think he would be charged with acts of terrorism? Did they charge the right wing nut who killed two police officers with terrorism?
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:48 pmJohnM Says:
Left wing blogs want to have it both ways. The right is responsible for any nutjob that does something stupid because they were apparently provoked by people like O’Rielly, but when a nutjob on the left does the same thing all the hate and attacks against Bush and the military being murderers blogs couldn’t be held to the same standard. Typical.
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You are a liar and a fool. First it is the RIGHT trying to have it both ways. Saying that O’falafel has NO reponsibility and the leftwing Blogs do. They arent the same thing. Anyone who participates here knows this is the equivalent of cocktail party gossip and we speak only for ourselves. Oweasel has a nationally syndicate program he speaks for others professionally. By dint of his BEING a professional pundit he has an aura of of speaking the truth that none of us here do. You morons keep LYING about the left calling soldiers murderers, other than of course those who were CONVICTED of murder, I never see it. If it happens at all it is some fringe nutbag who is responsible for his OWN and certainly doesnt have a nationally syndicated program. You are a punk John. You come here lie and spew out the stupid propaganda you have been programmed with because you are too stupid to think for yourself and you KNOW IT.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:50 pmJohnM…name one “nutjob” on the left who has shot our soldiers, shot a doctor in Church, shot members of his wives Church, tried making weapons in his basement to use on American citizens…these were all right wing nut jobs that did these things, but thanks for playing, little man.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:52 pmJohnM you are a joke! You use the old republican technique of reverse protest. Something is said or done by some moron on the right and the righties get their panties in a bunch and protest about those on the left for doing these things…..go away JohnM, you come here unarmed in a battle of wits.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:55 pmYou come here lie and spew out the stupid propaganda you have been programmed with because you are too stupid to think for yourself and you KNOW IT.
A little overboard, there. He knows it’s propaganda, and he knows that we know it as well. He just thinks he providing a balance – a warped one, no doubt, but to him it’s all a game, and the dead are merely pawns to be moved about, when it becomes expedient to do so.
June 2nd, 2009 at 2:55 pmre Uncle Fester lurks;
Your forgot, shot 2 policemen in Pittsburg, blew up the federal building in OK City, shot MLK, shot JFK, and many, many others…
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:07 pmbarfly Says:
. He just thinks he providing a balance – a warped one, no doubt, but to him it’s all a game, and the dead are merely pawns to be moved about, when it becomes expedient to do so.
Just like his stooge-god billo. Yesterday billo was charging the left with cynically using Dr Tiller’s assassination at the hands of the right-wing terrorist for political gain, today, he uses the murder of the soldier to cynically attack the left. Huh, who could have predicted this turn of events…
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:11 pmUncle Fester Lurks Says:
JohnM…name one “nutjob” on the left who has shot our soldiers, shot a doctor in Church, shot members of his wives Church, tried making weapons in his basement to use on American citizens…these were all right wing nut jobs that did these things, but thanks for playing, little man.
Patty Hearst and the SLA, Charles Manson, maybe Ted Kennedy!
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:23 pmWho said the murderer is a lefty?
Those two nutbags don’t make an 1/8 of a brain.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:24 pmUncle Fester, lets not forget the attempt by Nancy and Harry to stop the war by cinching the budget a few years ago. They probably got dozens of guys killed in their political plan to shortchange the troops.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:29 pmSheepshit, holy sheepdog you are ignorant.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:40 pmFred Says:
Sheepshit, holy sheepdog you are ignorant.
That’s for sure!
Sounds like one of those people who think that supporting the troops means sending them into war zones to get shot at.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:44 pmThese are just examples of what we get when our government holds itself above the law. When our government invades other countries, ignores our laws and international laws and holds itself to a standard outside the law, they set the example.
Why would we be surprised when there are citizens who feel they can do the same?
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:45 pmThey want to create a false equivalence here…They want to shift the debate to avoid focusing on their rhetoric and how it might incite the fringe right into heinous acts.
This act was also one of domestic terrorism, and should be condemned. But you never saw a liberal blog saying that killing military recruits was justifiable homicide and that if we did not kill them, we would have blood on our hands.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:46 pmI’m afraid that we may see some more of this crap soon. Either other deranged people, some possibly being set off by hate tv/radio, or copy-cats who desperately need attention, or super-angry people who need to take their issues out on other people.
People gotta simma down!
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:47 pmAgain, the GOPig’s idea of comedy, blaming innocent people for a brutal crime.
Fcukin degenerate cavemen MORONS.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:49 pmLeft wing blogs want to have it both ways. The right is responsible for any nutjob that does something stupid because they were apparently provoked by people like O’Rielly, but when a nutjob on the left does the same thing all the hate and attacks against Bush and the military being murderers blogs couldn’t be held to the same standard. Typical.
We want names, citations. If you’re going to make this statement BACK IT UP. Nobody called the military murders. Show me ONE person who did.
Bush was a moron who disrespected this entire country by lying, leading us into an illegal war and then torturing in our name. I’m sorry but he opened himself to ridicule.
That being said, explain to me how ridiculing Bush is the same thing as calling someone a “baby killer”, distoring the number of abortions he performed and for who.
Sure there are lefties who use hate speech. I don’t think anyone here denies that but this thread is about O’Reilly and the hate HE incited.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:50 pmDoes anyone remember how O’Reilly had those perverted phone calls to an employee, and how he settled out of court? I wish it had been in the news more. Bill is one hypocritical jerk! I think he, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, and all like him are the best argument yet FOR abortions. How stupid of these right to lifers who kill and/or condone killing to show that killing is wrong…they make me want to vomit!
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:50 pmBill seems to approve of domestic terrorism, and that is exactly what the murder of Dr. Tiller was–terroism. That murderer, and the ones who defend him are not one bit better than Al Queida.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:51 pmBill has too many traits like Sadaam Hussein.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:53 pmThe far right wants to politicize this, but you notice whenever a fringe wingnut goes on a shooting rampage, they always admonish us not to “politicize” those crimes because it would pain the families of the victims. This is how they stifle any debate when it comes to gun control. Yet, they have no qualms about politicizing this act of terrorism to denounce the peace movement to suggest that we have blood on our hands.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:56 pmIt is my impression that what leftists demand with regard to the torture issue is prosecution in the courts. That seems a far cry from the sort of vigilante “justice” the noisemakers on the right call out for on issues like abortion.
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:19 pmIncidentally, my heart goes out to the families of today’s victims. I hope the killer gets tried and convicted for his heinous crime.
RHF, do you notice that the wingnuts want to tie EVERY terrorist group found in American history to liberals? Next, I’m sure the KKK is going to be found pretty liberal. I’m just waiting for the first troll to use that line…
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:29 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
Its sheepledog he has the IQ of a carrot you didnt really expect him to make sense did you?
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:54 pmI apologize to my fellow libs for saying this, but sometimes i feel like you have to stoop to the level of these wingnuts.
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:57 pmIngraham needs a stiff dck up her ass to see the truth.
have you heard?
Recruiter Shooting Suspect Had Ties to Extremist Locations
Investigators Probing Attack to Determine Whether Shooting Suspect Acted Alone
By PIERRE THOMAS, RICHARD ESPOSITO and JACK DATE
June 2, 2009—
The recent convert to Islam who allegedly shot and killed a U.S. soldier at a Little Rock, Ark., recruiting booth had ties to a number of global locations linked to extremists, including Yemen, Somalia and Columbus, Ohio, ABC News has learned.
Yemen and Somali are known hotbeds for terrorism. Columbus, Ohio, has been an area of domestic concern for authorities who have observed a number of Somali Americans traveling from there to Somali to wage jihad.
Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, 24, upon his arrest Monday shortly after the fatal shooting, allegedly confessed and told authorities he acted alone, according to court documents. But prior to the shooting, Muhammad had been the subject of a preliminary investigation by the FBI’s Joint Terrorist Task Force since his return from Yemen, where he was arrested and had in his possession a false Somali passport, ABC News has learned.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7732467&page=1
wonder when that was?
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:58 pmSheepdog Says
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Patty Hearst and the SLA, Charles Manson, maybe Ted Kennedy!
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The Symbionese Liberation Army was an extreme leftist organization.
However, Charles Manson was (and probably still is) an extreme racist who firmly believed whites should rule over blacks. Hardly a leftist position.
Ted Kennedy has been a progressive liberal for years, but not a terrorist. Driving off a bridge and covering up an accident where somebody died isn’t in the same league as a premeditated act of violence, even if his actions were questionable.
But you did come up with one leftist terrorist organization, even if you had to go back 35 years to find one. And you’ll notice that none of us defend their activities.
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:59 pmWe reference facts, things people actually said and when and what they said.
They make shit up.
That’s the difference.
June 2nd, 2009 at 5:25 pmYeah, it’s hilarious someone cracks and kills/wounds other people.
STFU, Ingraham & Bildo — you f ucking lunatics.
June 2nd, 2009 at 5:30 pmIgnat and loofahboy didn’t say if they found unicorns and rainbows at the killer’s home.
two shitbags smelling like 1000 shitbags.
More than likey it’s another dumbass teabagger who did the killing.
June 2nd, 2009 at 5:44 pmTo these clowns, anyone “left” of Bill0 himself is a “far-left loon”. There are no moderates. Just the 21%ers and one huge “leftist” World. And they’re still kicking people out of the GOP who display any sign of moderation.
June 2nd, 2009 at 5:44 pmSheepshit, I bet the Romans who crucified Christ were republicans.
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:52 pmYep, Pete. Bildo likes to use labels otherwise the ignorant people who watch his show would mistake them for their own relatives.
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:53 pmJust like thinkprogress blaming Oreilly for the NUT that killed the abortion doc.
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:06 pmHere’s the problem with your theory, Jeff.
Bill0 had a long standing public vendetta against Dr, Tiller. During that time he told the “folks” that “If they didn’t stop this guy (Tiller) they would have blood on their hands“. To a far-right radical that’s like ordering a hit and this nut took the assignment. He was also well known in the anti-choice movement and obviously heard a lot of violent rhetoric even if he didn’t get it from Bill0.
The shooter from Little Rock, on the other hand, has no known ties to NBC or “far-left” sites. And while he may have been a “leftist” it’s not very likely as he is apparently a psychotic Muslim. Psychotic Muslims are not noted for their liberal views and I think it’s likely that this guy was so caught up in his religion that he didn’t trust any media that didn’t pass a religious test. I can’t think of many “librul” blogs that would pass that test. And I’m damn sure that no “Librul” source has implied that anyone should assassinate soldiers in order to prevent “having blood on their hands”.
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:36 pmSo if MSNBC is responsible for the recruiter murder, then Orielly must be responsible for the abortion doc murder. Actually I don’t recall MSNBC stalking the recruiter or even mentioning it, I do recall Orielly all over the doctor.
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:46 pmBTW. The guy in Little Rock snapped and went hunting for anyone in a uniform. The guy who shot Dr. Tiller has been identified as a frequent protester at Tiller’s work place, chose him as a specific target, tracked him down and executed him.
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:54 pmOther than a bit in Farenheit 911 folliwing a couple of recruiters around and showing how they lied to kids, I’ve never heard of military recruiters being specifically targeted for criticism by the Left. Certainly not to the degree of calling them murderers or anything else inflammatory enough to incite violence.
It’s just not there. It’s not even remotely a valid comparison.
However, if somebody can cite a pattern of Radio/TV/Web items from the Left picking on military recruiters, I’d be interested in seeing it.
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Sheepdog Says:
Patty Hearst and the SLA, Charles Manson, maybe Ted Kennedy!
…or maybe not, so why bother mentioning it?
Got anything since about 1977? Yeah, didn’t think so.
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:41 pmpete,
The guy in Arkansas didn’t “snap”. He went abroad and studied jihad under an imam.
Islam claims another innocent American life.
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:42 pmElBruce,
You lead a sheltered life, then. Don’t you remember what happened in Berkely?
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:44 pmA guy names Bledso in Arkansas, from Tennessee, converts to Muslim, rehearses for Jihad, and then shoots recruiters. (Jihad in the U.S. has apparently suffered a serious budget cut since 9/11, doncha think?)
I have yet to see any evidence that there is anything liberal about the man who shot the recruiters. It’s as if the wing-nuts are operating under the assumption that Fox brand “fair and balanced” is a univeral law so that once evidence that a politically motivated killer in the news is right- wing, the next politically motivated killer in the news is liberal by default.
18% = 50/50
A Christian fundamentalist is more likely to convert to a radical Muslim than a non-radical liberal is.
Of course a radical liberal can convert to a radical conservative. Troskyite—> neo-con. It happens. But radical liberals haven’t been in fashion since the sixties in the U.S. and I don’t see us going there any time soon.
The wing-nut pundits are where the rubber of Edward Albee meets the road of Team America. I need to find a wonkish outlet where I can buy the privilege of reading some graduate papers on what they are doing to my beloved language. Any recommendations, guys?
Anyway (last long post of the night, I promise),THE RIGHT IS NO LONGER RULING OUR NATION. However frequent or increasingly gruesome such attacks may become, they are a painful minority and they will not be granted police powers to batter liberals in “the real world” the way they do in the wing-nut-sphere.
Law is in.
June 3rd, 2009 at 12:06 amthey will not be granted police powers to batter liberals or people of any other political persuasion in “the real world”
June 3rd, 2009 at 12:15 amwhy doest the LEFT call this guy a terrorist like they are calling the man that killed the baby killer?
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:08 amso this nut was a muslim.. hmmm nothing new
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:09 amIts true. Left wingers are full of hatred and hate speech. They hate Christians as much as the KKK hates Jews
Many of them would applaud a Hitleresque extermination of Christians. Many on this site as well.
The comments here are full of bigotry and hatred towards Christians.
Im sure many of them here dream of burning down a church or blowing a bomb outside a recruiting station.
I mean this site foments hatred just the same as certain militant pro-life groups do as well. No difference at all.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:04 amSome guy with a history of mental illness shoots an abortion doctor and the hatefilled take an advantage in truly Nazi fashion to demonize all Christians. Just like they did to the Jews.
Then a muslim who probably was probably on this blog and Dailykos opens fire and kills a US soldier.
Look at the hatred of people like republicans_hate_facts here.
Blinding hatred of Christians and wanting to lock them up, I believe one time I read he wanted them all dead.
Just a matter of time before he kills someone in a church blast or walks into a church and opens fire
dawg Says:
So you are stupid. Nothing new.
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:11 amTimmeh. You are still a moron. Thanks for dropping by to remind us. I just love to laugh at people as stupid as you.
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chiroptera toasterhead Says:
You’re on the right track, Bill. But I highly doubt it was merely the description of our country as a torture nation that set Mr. Muhammad off. I think the FACT that we ARE a torture nation was probably the last straw.
Not that I support or agree with Mr. Muhammad’s actions, and I hereby condemn them on behalf of all progressives.
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:28 pm
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I highly doubt it was merely the description of Dr. Tiller as a baby killer that set Roeder off. I think the FACT that he killed babies was probably the last straw.
Not that I support or agree with Mr. Roeder’s actions, and I hereby condemn them on behalf of all conservatives/moderates.
June 3rd, 2009 at 10:51 amRhf, (Speaking of RHF (aka VVGFU, btruthful),
You do know he(?) is just spouting $hit to get a response.
I’ve learned long ago to ignore him(?) with his improper profanities and childish ridicules of the mentally challenged.
Just not worth the effort to debate/discuss, but it is humorous to watch his meltdown every time Zooey posts.)
How’s it going, bud? A fetus is a baby at its early stage, but that’s probably too “nuanced” for you.
June 3rd, 2009 at 11:27 pmTiller’s murder was justified? That’s quite a hateful stand for you to take.
If I was addressing one of your fellow libs, I’d say I support Roeder about as much as you support the guy who murdered the soldier in Arkansas. Being rhf, though, you probably secretly applauded the shooter, didn’t you, bud? ;)
republicans hate facts Says:
Fetuses AREN’T BABIES – MORON.
However he DID SAVE the lives of *WOMEN* that were actually GROWN UP BABIES. You DOMESTIC TERRORISTS don’t seem to CARE MUCH for *WOMEN* though do you?
And don’t matter to Liberals because they attacked one on National TV just because she isn’t gay and respectfully stated as much. Also, where are the Liberals on Iraq? Women can actually live a life now. Children too! Ahh but you don’t care about that because that conflicts with your hatred of Bush and the War. More on that later but
Fetuses, do however, become babies and late term ones I would consider a baby even if I was a liberal goof like you. How about you liberals actually teach responsibility to your children and then maybe there wouldn’t be so many kids having kids in the first place!?
republicans hate facts Says:
SURE YOU DO, don’t p*ssy foot around like you NORMALLY DO COWARD! You thought it was *MURDER* and *JUSTIFIED* – right?
Justified? No this is the Propaganda that you Far-Left Maggots spew along with your double standards. Why are Liberals permitted to use hate speech and Intimidation tactics as long as they are used against conservatives? Begala or Carville may know that answer as they love to be the weasels starting trouble and fanning the flames yet they never take responsibility for their nonsensical rhetoric. Your very own goof troop you have in those political instigating hacks.
republicans hate facts Says:
Instead all you do is unleash INFLAMMATORY RHETORIC while ENCOURAGING *MURDER* of a DOCTOR. Now you can *GUARANTEE* that the BLOOD of the WOMEN who will *DIE* because there is no doctor to PROVIDE THEM CARE will be on *YOUR* HANDS and those of your FELLOW TERRORISTS! It is *YOU* that are the MURDERERS!
Again more lies and Propaganda. If anyone is to blame for promoting hate and murder, it is you left wing liberals nuts that were so glad that you had a reason to further your cause, that you don’t even care how much you exploit this Doctor’s death. No one encouraged the murder of this doctor. No one encouraged the Murder of an innocent Soldier in Arkansas by a Muslim Terrorist but I forgot, That Liberals out Terrorists first being the Terrorist-Sympathizers that you are. You all don’t care about that because a black Muslim killed him so you wish to keep that out of the news. Bad pub for your crew since you guys rail for releases of people like this. Which is probably why the criminal was released in the first place when he was captured in ‘05 with all kinds of weapons and a Sawed-off shotgun. How in the hell could a guy like this, get the charges dropped so easily? It was a conservative that got him off and if you ask me, these Liberal laws that you people have passed give more rights to the Criminals than the victims! This murder of the Soldier by this black Muslim, should have been avoided because he should have been behind bars but NO! Liberals and their Criminal-Sympathetic BS get all these types of criminals off. Liberal created laws and a Liberal got this Terrorist off and he was then permitted to Kill a US Soldier in broad daylight. That is fact. Not some BS made up propaganda made up that conservatives got this Abortion Doc killed. You people kill life to be and then spend money to save rhodents and any other creature you think is cute. Get a conscience. You liberals don’t care about woman’s, children or humane rights unless you have something to gain politically from it. Otherwise, you would be glad people aren’t being tortured nor women and children being murdered and shunned into a life of bare existence since Saddam’s was taken out. You don’t seem to care about those people. I guess because you can only gain politically by mentioning Americans struggle in the War but not ANY progress because of it. Disgraceful unconscionable people you Liberals are.
June 4th, 2009 at 9:18 pmPretty much like MSNBC saying he was responsible for Dr. Death’s DEATH. TOUCHE’.
June 6th, 2009 at 12:23 amHey Kevin. I just saw the YouTube video about web 3.0 and I have had this idea about our future economy.
June 6th, 2009 at 5:16 amIt’s a bit in tune with the Zeitgeist film. See, if all of our knowledge was shared, we couldn’t make money of it. Siki?
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I’m a musician and I kinda have the feeling that in the future people will pay for live performances, because we have computer software that is very close to sounding like a musical instrument, with a modelled human touch. So, if a person that has never played the guitar, can click a button and sound like Jimi Hendrix, than what is the coolness about all this digital music really? Infact, I think that the more advanced this gets, the less interesting it becomes. We are still in awe over a youngster that can make the violin cry and we will definately be in even more awe when a person can actually do with their fingers that what we can do in an iPhone application.
Have you ever met anyone who is pro-abortion that wished their mother would have aborted them??? Hmmmmmmm!
June 8th, 2009 at 2:20 am