Cheney Acknowledges Passing The Buck On GM: Bush Didn’t ‘Want To Be The One Who Pulled The Plug’
Cheney Acknowledges Passing The Buck On GM: Bush Didn’t ‘Want To Be The One Who Pulled The Plug’
Last night on Fox News, Vice President Cheney admitted that the Bush administration deliberately decided to pass the buck on GM and let President Obama deal with the problem. Cheney admitted that he thought the “right outcome was going to be bankruptcy,” but that President Bush didn’t want to “be the one who pulled the plug.” Instead, the Bush administration put together a costly auto bailout to stem the tide until President Obama took office:
CHENEY: Well, I thought that, eventually, the right outcome was going to be bankruptcy. … And the president decided that he did not want to be the one who pulled the plug just before he left office.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why?
CHENEY: Well, I think he felt, you know, these are big issues and he wouldn’t be there through the process of managing it, but in effect, would have sort of pulled the plug on GM and that was one of the first crises the new administration would have to deal with. So he put together a package that tided GM over until the new administration had a chance to look at it, decide what they wanted to do.
VAN SUSTEREN: But it’s cost us billions to get — I mean, you know —
CHENEY: It has. … And now the government owns a big chunk of General Motors. That bothers me. I don’t like having government own those kinds of major financial enterprises. I think it’s — it does damage to our long-term economic prospects when we get government involved in making those kinds of decisions.
Watch it:
When announcing his $17.4 billion auto bailout in December 2008, Bush said that “bankruptcy now would lead to a disorderly liquidation of American auto companies.” Cheney is now saying that they were thinking about bankruptcy all along, but instead used billions of dollars of taxpayer money to push their problems onto the Obama administration.
Even former Republican senator Rick Santorum last week went on Greta’s show and chastised the Bush administration, saying that officials “blew it” for punting the problems onto Obama:
SANTORUM: President Bush blew it. You know, he went out and convinced the Congress to give him a bunch of money to save the financial sector and then decided to take a little piece of that and give it to General Motors and Chrysler. Why? He punted. He basically said, I don’t want this failure to be on my watch. I want to let Obama deal with it. And we all knew at the time that letting Obama deal with it means the government’s going to come in and run the show, and that’s exactly what’s happened.
Of course, even though Obama has managed to prevent a “disorderly liquidation of American auto companies,” it isn’t good enough for Cheney. Of course, Cheney offered no alternative vision during last night’s interview.
Transcript:
VAN SUSTEREN: On last question is on GM. We’ve spent an awful lot of money since last fall on GM to only have them end up in bankruptcy. Going back to last fall, would you have let them go into — or would you have pushed them into bankruptcy, do you think then, I mean, now that we’ve spent billions, or did you think that it was sort of a good idea to do what we’ve been doing?
CHENEY: Well, I thought that, eventually, the right outcome was going to be bankruptcy. They had to go through such a dramatic restructuring to have any chance of survival that they had to be able to renegotiate labor contracts, and so forth. And the president decided that he did not want to be the one who pulled the plug just before he left office.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why?
CHENEY: Well, I think he felt, you know, these are big issues and he wouldn’t be there through the process of managing it, but in effect, would have sort of pulled the plug on GM and that was one of the first crises the new administration would have to deal with. So he put together a package that tided GM over until the new administration had a chance to look at it, decide what they wanted to do.
VAN SUSTEREN: But it’s cost us billions to get — I mean, you know –
CHENEY: It has.
VAN SUSTEREN: I mean –
CHENEY: And now the government –
VAN SUSTEREN: I mean, and we’ve now spent billions.
CHENEY: And now the government owns a big chunk of General Motors. That bothers me. I don’t like having government own those kinds of major financial enterprises. I think it’s — it does damage to our long-term economic prospects when we get government involved in making those kinds of decisions.
The private sector then I think will be very different, function differently, if it’s full of government-owned enterprises, than would otherwise be the case.
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Obama shares half the blame, there’s no way around it.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:13 pmIntellectual Ultralightweight Babbles:
Obama shares half the blame, there’s no way around it.
The blame for what, exactly? The gigantic, massive collapse of the American automakers in a mess of their own doing?
WTF are you talking about?
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:17 pmIntellectual Lightweight,
That’s a big fat lie. Your tin god Cheney just admitted that Bush passed the buck. You are truly stupid if you try to dump this in President Obama’s lap.
Cheney must be getting ready to croak – with all of this confessing going on. It’s either that or he’s just mean as hell and wants to cause as many problems before he kicks the bucket.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:17 pmFcuktard Shrub and crew tried to push ALL THE BAD NEWS onto the next administration.
“There’s no recession” was their battle cry for over 5 years, all the while printing and spending us further into the economic toilet.
TRAITORS.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:18 pmIntellectual Heavyweight Says:
ME NOT GUILTY, EVEN AFTER 8 YEARS OF NUT-SUCKING ON THE DUMBYA, MUST BE SCARY BLACK GUY’S FAULT…
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:18 pm5-deferment Dickhead Cheney just admitted to being a cowardly chickenshit.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:19 pmBoy the Cheney and Pony show just keep on getting better, let him talk enough and he will acknowledge he loved popcorn and torture films on Sat night. What an ass !
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:19 pmCheney must be getting ready to croak
I’ve been thinking the exact same thing.
Funny how we seek forgiveness and truth when the Grim Reaper has an appointment with us.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:19 pmCheney just confirmed what I suspected all along. They sat back and let the economy slide off a cliff. The Bush Crime Family just didn’t give a damn!
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:20 pmIntellectual Heavyweight Says:
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Obama shares half the blame, there’s no way around it.
yea – right – and the sum will rise in the west tomorrow. Intellectual heavyweight my ass!
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:20 pmCheney admitted that he thought the “right outcome was going to be bankruptcy,” but that President Bush didn’t want to “be the one who pulled the plug.” Instead, the Bush administration put together a costly auto bailout to stem the tide until President Obama took office
Bush announced early in his second [stolen] term that exiting Iraq would be the problem of the next president. Guess he felt the same way about the financial collapse and the failed auto industry.
But then again, Bush was never successful at anything he attempted, easily bored and unhappy about “hard work” being thrust on him.
Cheney’s ongoing trash talk about Bush is gonna come back and bite him, hard, in the ass! Papa Bush won’t allow it to continue, even if Boy George is drunk, face down on the carpet.
PEACE
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:20 pmIntellectual Heavyweight = Penile Lightweight”
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:20 pm.
BUSH/CHENEY BROKE WORLD!
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June 3rd, 2009 at 2:20 pmobviously – I menat “sun” – these stupid trolls make my head spin and then I can’t spell worth a damn
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:21 pmCHENEY: And now the government owns a big chunk of General Motors. That bothers me. I don’t like having government own those kinds of major financial enterprises. I think it’s — it does damage to our long-term economic prospects when we get government involved in making those kinds of decisions.
The private sector then I think will be very different, function differently, if it’s full of government-owned enterprises, than would otherwise be the case.
Nobody is talking about the private sector being “full of government-owned enterprises”! This is just one more straw man argument that you’ve vomited out upon the American people. It’s time to respect the will of the people and go away, Dick! Go home and spend what few days of freedom you have left to you with your family. But just go. Now.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:21 pmpimped out Says:
Gonna be intersting to see how this 31 yr old snot nosed
If you learned to clean the snot from your face, the pimples would diminish.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:22 pmignorance and fear, the primary motivators for right wingers
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:23 pmcheney, the quivering coward, thinks America is too weak to defeat terrorists without resorting to war and torture
he’s a liar, a coward, and only ignorant ideologues believe anything he says
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:25 pmpimpled out is here to demonstrate the ignorance and cowardice of the typical right winger
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:26 pmIntellectual Heavyweight Says:
Obama shares half the blame, there’s no way around it.
You should read the interview cited directly above your post. The one where it shows that BushCo was temporarily shoring up an already-failed corporation so they could pass the problem on to the next guy? Because Dick Cheney disproves your claim there. Obama could have had nothing to do with GM’s failure, since he hadn’t been elected yet when GM was failing.
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pimped out Says:
Bush did the right thing. obama owns it.
I agree totally.
And Cheney’s point is valid – if your administration isn’t going to be around to implement the solution, then they should just go lame-duck and pass off the status quo. Which is what they did.
And it certainly is Obama’s problem to fix. But that isn’t at all the same thing as saying he caused the problem.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:27 pmmeanwhile, your act is just bombing
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:27 pmThe Cheney administration assumed that the Obama administration would’ve screwed it up as badly. Economists agree: the Obama administration led GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy at the right time. They educated the public about bankruptcy as it would apply in this case, backed warranties & provided transition assistance to aid the largest manufacturing bankruptcy in history.
It sure won’t look successful to the dealers and families directly impacted, but people generally are not scared to shit as they would’ve been four months ago.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:28 pmLet’s not forget when Cheney said it’s “Hoover Time” if GM doesn’t get bailed out. He’s lying as usual.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:28 pmcheney and his spawn are like a bad rash. just won’t go away.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:28 pmIt’s amazing to me that after 8 years of Bush and his policies putting us in the position we’re in, we have people who are calling for Obama’s head after less than 5 months.
And, in the same breath, they blame Clinton for 9/11 even though that took place 8 months after Bush took office.
Hypocrisy, thy name is troll…
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:28 pmSo Bush and Cheney push GM off a cliff, Obama provides a softer landing, and pimpled out tries to blame it all on Obama
typical right wing dishonesty
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:29 pmpimped out Says:
Gonna be intersting to see how this 31 yr old snot nosed punk obama appointed to run GM will do.
Yeah!
I’m worried they might invest heavily in heavy, ponderous SUV’s, kill Saturn, and then reject Tesla’s offer to become their electric car division…
Wait? GM already did all that?
Hmm… I don’t see how anyone could do worse then…
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:30 pmpoor little pimpled out
his acne must have gotten deep enough to affect his brain
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:31 pmIntellectual Heavyweight Says:
Obama shares half the blame, there’s no way around it.
Obama didn’t tell these companies to build cars nobody wanted. We weren’t going to see millions of jobs go to dust just because the GM corporate lackeys handed down useless plans.
P.S.: Your mother’s backyard is no place to park that Hummer you could never afford to operate.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:33 pmRantingTommy, it’s not acne, it’s mental illness caused by late-stage syphilis.
PEACE
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:33 pmIdentifying yourself as “pimped out” suggests that you are being offered up to screw someone for money. I wonder how much this troll is paid to screw with TP threads. Further, the quality of its posts suggests that “screwed up” would be a better handle.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:36 pmGm made crappy cars, so thats their fault. But when they start failing nobody should give them a bailout. Not bush, not obama, NOBODY. When a company makes crappy products that nobody buys, it goes under. Thats how capitalism works. But you fart face libtards don’t want to see all those people lose their jobs. Booo – EFFING – HOO. 600,000 people lost their jobs last month. The companies they worked for didn’t get a bailout. Suck it up, and find work elsewhere. Im sure Toyota or Honda would hire them.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:37 pmActually I think the recent proliferation of trolls is a byproduct of the collapse of the Sotomayor filibuster movement before it could get off the ground. Now we are going to have to deal with these pathetic nimrods with their “will troll for food” signs all summer.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:40 pmIntellectual Heavyweight Says:
The companies they worked for didn’t get a bailout. Suck it up, and find work elsewhere. Im sure Toyota or Honda would hire them.
Sure, since Toyota and Honda live in parallel-world with no Bush Depression, and where they are selling so many cars they need thousands of extra workers.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:40 pmPimply-snot-faced is no way to go through life son…
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:41 pmBoo hoo .. “Intellectual Heavyweight” lives in his mother’s basement, he’ll never have to pay day-to-day bills and fight for his job.
Toyota and Honda is taking a hit, too, Intellectual Lightweight.
600,000 people lost their jobs last month because your winding ideology doesn’t make it simple to plug the gap.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:41 pmpimped out Says:
and then reject Tesla’s offer to become their electric car division…
$100,000 a pop? LOL!
Tesla now worth half of GM’s value? LOL!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/05/22/BUU117O7UC.DTL
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:41 pmWill W let his Daddy step in to shut The Big Dick up?
W doesn’t have the balls, and never did, to stand up to Dick.
W, here’s your chance. Step out of your cheerleading skirt, man up, and tell America the truth.
Dick Cheney was our 43rd President.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:41 pmguys IH = Merdad. Ignore and he will eventually get tired of his little monkier changing, argument enciting fun he’s had here.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:42 pmre 36,
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:42 pmMaybe he means he’s been pimped so many times his anal sphincter is worn out and he has a steady trickle of liquid feces dribbling in his pants that he doesn’t know what to do with. Which explains the quality of his posts here…
Regressives are NOT allowed to follow this link to a better place.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:43 pmIntellectual Heavyweight Says:
The companies they worked for didn’t get a bailout. Suck it up, and find work elsewhere. Im sure Toyota or Honda would hire them.
Such “certainty” suggests an Intellectual Paperweight.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:43 pmGeorge W. Bush: lowest job creation rate in 50 years, followed by a near-depression.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:43 pmLuis Chapulin M Says:
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Sure, since Toyota and Honda live in parallel-world with no Bush Depression, and where they are selling so many cars they need thousands of extra workers.
Both toyota and honda are doing FINE. Look it up. GM has been failing for decades and the depression has made them go bankrupt. Camrys, accords, civics, prius’s and tundras are selling like hotcakes.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:44 pmGM missed their golden opportunity to emerge from reorganization with a revolutionary electric car and rekindle the American love affair with Chevrolet.
Too bad the volt wont even go into PRODUCTION until late 2010.
I’m willing to buy one NOW!
Opportunity lost… not my loss.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:45 pmThe private sector then I think will be very different, function differently, if it’s full of government-owned enterprises, than would otherwise be the case.
There’s no way I’m going to click on that video so I’m a bit curious whether or not Greta asked him what he meant by that? “function differently” is pretty freaking vague.
At this point there are probably only two or three people I’d trust to interview the Dick otherwise it’s all about giving him a platform to criticize Obama and to try to make all of us afraid.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:45 pmMethinks they are only taking a breather…until the next chance to steal taxpayer money…they just cannot resist…
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:46 pmIntellectual Heavyweight Says:
Both toyota and honda are doing FINE. Look it up.
Looking it up:
Toyota’s market share fell to 16.5 percent in May from 18.4 percent a year earlier as its sales fell 41 percent to 152,583 vehicles, according to Autodata.
As the young’uns say these days: U been pwned!
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:49 pmstreetbangaz Says:
Let’s not forget when Cheney said it’s “Hoover Time” if GM doesn’t get bailed out.
STOP! Hoover time…
Wait, wasn’t Hoover the guy who didn’t do anything about it?
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PatrioticLiberalChristianMantisReligiosa Says:
Identifying yourself as “pimped out” suggests that you are being offered up to screw someone for money.
I usually don’t talk about usernames, but identifying yourself as a whore kind of tips your hand right up front…
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pimped out Says:
and then reject Tesla’s offer to become their electric car division…
$100,000 a pop? LOL!
Oh, you know you want one. Don’t even try to play that.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:49 pmLet’s hope he does better than the 24-year-old snot-nosed loyalist punk Bush appointed to re-open the Iraqi Stock Exchange despite having no background in finance.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:49 pmpastcaring Says: hormiga brava chavez Says:
Cheney just confirmed what I suspected all along. They sat back and let the economy slide off a cliff. The Bush Crime Family just didn’t give a damn!
Methinks they are only taking a breather…until the next chance to steal taxpayer money…they just cannot resist…
I agree. Gotta wait until the bank’s been replenished before they can rob it again.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:50 pmI took the challenge and looked up Honda. Here are the results
http://world.honda.com/news/2009/c090225Automobile-Sales/
Is Intellectual Paperweight Gary Hart?
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:50 pmkdgamergirl Says:
guys IH = Merdad. Ignore and he will eventually get tired of his little monkier changing, argument enciting fun he’s had here.
No, IH is on topic.
I find there are a few categories of wingnut “troll:”
1) Discusses the topic and gives reasons for conclusions (even if all are completely wrong)
2) Discusses the topic but only states oppositional conclusions without any reasons
3) Diverts the threads to topic of their choice, gives reasons for conclusions
4) Diverts the thread but only states conclusions with no reasons
5) Talks about nothing relevant to the thread or to any political subject at all
I’d put merdad at number 3 or 4, and IH at 2. JohnM scores a #1, congrats. There was a #5 around yesterday, but I don’t remember its name.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:55 pmBush Didn’t ‘Want To Be The One Who Pulled The Plug’
Didn’t want to stain his sterling legacy, huh?
No. Bush with his Iraq war of choice causing oil and gas prices to rocket to record highs wanted to be the one that fu(ked GM up the ass!
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:57 pmmary lacewing Says:
I agree. Gotta wait until the bank’s been replenished before they can rob it again.
A long-term chart of the economy vs. Democrat/Republican administrations reveals that this is precisely the case. Repbulicans rob the economy until everyone is sick of them, Democrats get in and fix it, then Republicans come back to rob it again. This pretty much goes back to everybody since Eisenhower.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:57 pmI once read a survey which indicated that most drivers thought they were superior drivers. No surprise there.
The surprise came when they asked drivers with spectacularly bad driving records to rate themselves. Virtually all of them rated themselves as superior drivers. The provably worst drivers thought they were the best.
My friends–is this not a perfect emblem for the Republican Party? They should be walking around with bags over their heads. They should be wearing sackcloth and flagellating themselves. They should be turning themselves into the police…
But Nooooo! On the contrary, I’m sure most of them have decided the entire Bush II Administration was Bill Clinton’s fault.
Swine!
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:58 pmThere’s gotta be an end to it…
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:04 pmKeep on talking Dickie and your private plane might just “run out of gas “. I agree Papa Bush only allows so much bad mouthing of his “boys”.
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:07 pmOne of our posters here mentioned this syndrome last week. It’s called the Kruger-Dunning Effect.
My apologies for not recalling who it was that posted it.
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:11 pmand then reject Tesla’s offer to become their electric car division…
$100,000 a pop? LOL!
Typical troll stupidity for all to see here.
There’s a thing called economies of scale, where production lines that were turning out unpopular GM cars could be reset to produce electric cars and the price would wind up between 35 – 40,000.
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:17 pmNot that you’d be able to afford that on your Mikkie D wages, dufus.
While it is known to the majority of Americans that Cheney was making the big decisions on crucial issues,Cheney is trying to blame Bush for this one made on GM.
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:23 pmpimped out babbles:
Half of Zero? LOL!
1) before replying, you should read the article that was shared with you -GM was worth $1.17 billion when the article was published, 2) even at .75 per share, GM is worth around $450 million.
While I realize these figures have more zeroes than you can count, it’s a good opportunity for you to learn some math…
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:24 pmGM pretends that the people WANTED large SUVs and other trucks.
If GM had spent the money on advertising that they did for SUVs instead on small, fast, well-handling cars, people would have wanted them more.
A lot of people fell for the advertising and really believed the only thing keeping them from being “mr outdoors” was that fuel-efficient sports car they had.
When I see an SUV, I know the driver is likely very gullible and easily manipulated by advertising.
I even wrote a song about it:
http://www.last.fm/music/Tommy+Jones/_/You+Drive+Too+Slow
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:26 pmglad to see “pimp slapped” is back for day two of his beat down
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:29 pmCHENEY: Well, I think he felt, you know, these are big issues and he wouldn’t be there through the process of managing it
which is probably a blessing for GM. we all saw how 43 and his band of clowns “managed” iraq
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:31 pmNow he’s sorry for all the crapola??? NOW!??
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:58 pmWhat, by leaving? Actually Bush was required to step down by law. I’m glad you are comfortable with President Obama cleaning up bush’s messes.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:03 pmBush Didn’t ‘Want To Be The One Who Pulled The Plug’
True statement in a general sense.
Last spring it was obvious the stimulus checks were issued to plug holes in the dike… to keep it patched until the next administration took over to avoid blame of our now failing economy.
GOP are never for the good of the people, but only for the good of their party.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:15 pmRantingTommy Says:
GM pretends that the people WANTED large SUVs and other trucks.
I remember quite some time ago (around 2003 or 2004) GM swore they were planning on making smaller cars, it’s just that they had to clear their current production inventory first. Years later, they’re still coming out with even bigger vehicles. So basically, they’ve been lying about making smaller cars now for a long time.
I’m really curious to know why. What did they think they had to gain? Surely their 5-year projections must have shown that there was a very good chance people wouldn’t be able to afford to keep putting gas in those monsters. Were they getting kickbacks from the oil industry or something?
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RUCeriousMaggot! Says:
and then reject Tesla’s offer to become their electric car division…
$100,000 a pop? LOL!
Typical troll stupidity for all to see here.
There’s a thing called economies of scale…
Actually, the reason Teslas are expensive is because they’re badass, powerful sports cars with seriously sweet styling and all the guts and speed you could ask for. They’re priced perfectly reasonably for the high-performance sports car market.
And that’s an important development in electric cars. Due to some misfires in the 90’s, most people think of electric cars as having very poor acceleration or being kind of dumpy-looking. Teslas are going to go a long way towards changing that.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:18 pmpimped out Says:
GM pretends that the people WANTED large SUVs and other trucks.
Truck sales..up…..LOL!
GM is saved! Their plan worked! Truck sales are up! Wait… still not making any money? oh, well… LOL!
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:27 pmAnd they can’t even do that right.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:28 pmActually, the reason Teslas are expensive is because they’re badass, powerful sports cars with seriously sweet styling and all the guts and speed you could ask for.
But RU is correct in stating that the price for electric vehicles will come down as Tesla gears up… in fact, they started with the Roadster in order to build excitement (dare I say buzz?) for the four-door electric they plan on introducing in 2012 (~$50,000) and the sub-compact they will introduce after that (~$30,000)
Ignoring Tesla?
Smart move GM!
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:31 pmSpeaking of Cheney — apparently he was the one who oversaw several briefings on torture.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:34 pmYes well, it’s too damn bad someone didn’t pull your plug dick.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:37 pmFor universe sake, sacrificing you would have saved how many innocent lives ?
Tp — the “tip column” isn’t working.
From truthout.org via the WaPo.
Former vice president Richard B. Cheney personally oversaw at least four briefings with senior members of Congress about the controversial interrogation program, part of a secretive and forceful defense he mounted throughout 2005 in an effort to maintain support for the harsh techniques used on detainees.
The Cheney-led briefings came at some of the most critical moments for the program, as congressional oversight committees were threatening to investigate or even terminate the techniques, according to lawmakers, congressional officials, and current and former intelligence officials.
Cheney’s role in helping handle intelligence issues in the Bush administration — particularly his advocacy for the use of aggressive methods and warrantless wiretapping against alleged terrorists — has been well documented. But his hands-on role in defending the interrogation program to lawmakers has not been previously publicized.
The CIA made no mention of his role in documents delivered to Capitol Hill last month that listed every lawmaker who had been briefed on “enhanced interrogation techniques” since 2002. For meetings that were overseen by Cheney, the agency told the intelligence committees that information about who oversaw those briefings was “not available.”
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:39 pmpimped out Says:
GM pretends that the people WANTED large SUVs and other trucks.
Truck sales..up…..LOL!
2008 to 2009
Ford SUV sales? Down 63%
Ford Truck sales? Down 50%
and
Chrysler Truck sales? Down 41%
Despite a massive buyers incentive program…
http://forums.trucktrend.com/70/7475444/truck-talk/february-2009-truck-suv-and-crossover-sales-number/index.html
Facts? LOL!
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:39 pmB-B-b-b-b-b–b-ut Bush is “The Decider” !
Looks like Molly Ivins “BushWacked” was right on the mark. Georgie ran the country into the ground and left the mess to cripple the next administration.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:40 pmjust found this, on the googlenews page…
GM’s Bankruptcy — The Last Foolish Act
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What the Bankruptcy Really Means
Now that the bankruptcy filing has been made, with the U.S. government as a major shareholder, several things have become clear:
* The federal money loaned to GM last December was simply wasted — it only postponed things.
* The U.S. government — willingly or unwillingly — is now involved in shaping the future of the U.S. auto industry.
* The United Auto Workers powerful political influence is going to be diminished, with uncertain ramifications.
* While GM might be able to drive car costs down, the U.S. taxpayers will be paying a “hidden” tax on GM cars for years to come, whether that taxpayer buys a GM car or not.
The irony of all of this is that the U.S. government bailout last December was entirely unnecessary.
If Rick Wagoner had filed for bankruptcy last December, before any federal funds were provided, the company might have much greater flexibility to shape a restructuring plan today.
[...]
http://news.briefing.com/GeneralContent/Investor/Active/ArticlePopup/ArticlePopup.aspx?ArticleId=NS20090603151812AheadOfTheCurve
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:54 pmEverything Bush and Cheney touched has been ruined…Afghanistan, Iraq, the economy…
They were able to ignore any issues/problems just long enough to pass the buck…The dems tried to get a fix on the housing/foreclosure crisis long ago and they would not go for it…as an example.
The repubs are obviously not just the party of NO…but they are also the party of NO SOLUTIONS…I have not seen ANY ideas coming from the repubs for any of the many issues of the day…i do see however their desire to see OBAMA FAIL…nice strategy
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:04 pmBush & Cheney: sleazy, dishonest, buck-passing Repub creeps.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:04 pmYou can look at it as punting to not have to take responsibility for it, or you can look at it as the lame duck President giving the new administration the opportunity to make the call on an important circumstance.
I’m not comfortable with huge, continual bailouts of corporations. But, the Obama administration’s tact seems pretty similar to Bush’s.
If Bush’s spending huge amounts on bailing out troubled industries is punting, what is Obama’s huge bailout spending?
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:33 pmpimped out Says:
Truck sales..up…..LOL!
Compared to the little lib cars, asshat!
Ahh, yes.
I’d heard that Toyota and Honda were dumping their hybrid divisions to build more trucks and SUV’s… wait, where did I hear that?
Oh yeah, in the delusional rantings of that crazy guy down the street… or is that you, pimped out?
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:50 pmbackup Says:
You can look at it as punting to not have to take responsibility for it, or you can look at it as the lame duck President giving the new administration the opportunity to make the call on an important circumstance.
I’m not comfortable with huge, continual bailouts of corporations. But, the Obama administration’s tact seems pretty similar to Bush’s.
If Bush’s spending huge amounts on bailing out troubled industries is punting, what is Obama’s huge bailout spending?
The spending authorized while Bush was in office was specifically sold and designed as a temporary holdover until something more comprehensive could be done. Obama’s approach so far is considerably more comprehensive, investing into specific sectors rather than just throwing money at the whole thing.
Frankly, I agree with you and Cheney in one respect – the Bush administration shouldn’t have tried to fix everything in the last few months of their administration. Keeping everything barely above water until Obama came to the rescue was the right call. Even starting a fix and leaving it for Obama to finish would be inappropriate an ineffective. On the one hand, you could say they showed remarkable respect to the incoming administration by leaving it for Obama to plan the response; or you could point out that if his response failed, that’d leave him with a greater share of blame. But either way, I’d much rather have Obama take a whack at it than BushCo.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:58 pmElBruce.
I agree with everything in that post. I think the initial money was temporary. I think Bush understood that the people wanted change. I think it just made sense to let the guy that was going to be leading for the next 4 to 8 years to make the call.
I agree that Obama’s plan is more comprehensive and targeted.
I’m uncomfortable with the massive spending and the bailouts, but I haven’t heard of a better plan.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:00 pmbackup Says:
I’m uncomfortable with the massive spending and the bailouts, but I haven’t heard of a better plan.
Believe it or not, I’m uncomfortable with the high spending levels too. A lot of wingnuts like to paint Obama as someone who likes to spend ridiculous amounts of money, ignoring the fact that we’re in a crisis at present, and under normal circumstances even a mainstream liberal (which Obama is) wouldn’t want to run up the numbers nearly that much. We’d also like it to be as temporary as possible; if there was an appropriate place for conservatism today, it would be pushing for the temporary nature of stimulus investment and state ownership, rather than opposing all such investment and ownership “on principle.”
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:46 pmpimped out Says:
No link?
No think?
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:56 pmOne word in particular describes both lilaWol and hallichainy…..
COWARDS
in every sense of the word.
June 3rd, 2009 at 10:17 pmHow considerate of Bush and Cheney to leave the GM crisis to Obama.
I also applaud them on their generosity for letting the Obama administration take care of the mess that they created in Iraq. Dick and Bush are the best.
They were so thoughtful when they turned a record budget surplus that was handed to them by Clinton, into the biggest defecit in American history. We should all be really impressed that they were able to do this in such a short time.
The pure genius of record tax cuts for people who didn’t need them, while starting a meaningless war over lies, and their own self interest can’t be ignored either. What a brilliant way to lose federal money that might be needed someday. It seems so simple, but yet, so ingenious.
Obama should write them a thank you letter for letting Wall Street, and the credit and mortage lenders do what ever they wanted creating the biggest economic collapse since the Great Depression. Now, Obama can deal with it. That Cheney is one stand up guy.
Obama should also be thrilled, that he now has the responsibility of repairing our tarnished image throughout the rest of the world. It’s astounding that in only 8 years America has gone from, “A beacon of light”, to a country that others don’t and can’t trust. It’s amazing that they knew starting a bogus war, ignoring international laws, and the denial of the facts regarding climate change would cause the international community to now look at us as a discredited, out of touch, backwards country.
Maybe, Bush and Cheney were just thinking ahead. After all, when Bush sat down behind his desk in the oval office for the first time, he kicked back, put his feet up on his desk and said, “Well, this is gonna be a cakewalk. Thanks Billy, I think it’s time to go take a little vacation to Crawford.”
They didn’t want Obama to come in office and go on vacation right away. They wanted him to have something to do, and they made sure that on any issue, whether it be politically, economically, socially, or internationally related, he was going to have more to fix than any President (with regards to Lincoln and FDR) in history. They did a bang up job on that one. Heckuva job, guys!
The only thing Dubya had to do when he got in office was to not cheat on his wife. That was the big issue that got him elected. “We need morality back in the White House.” Even, with the surplus he was handed he could have granted minor tax cuts to the wealthy, while still being fiscally conservative, and no one would have cared at all. Instead, the Bush administration squandered it all away and left the next guy with the bill.
So, if Obama doesn’t want to thank the Bush and Cheney administration, I will.
Thanks for the garbage economy.
Thanks for the bridges and levies that failed.
Thanks for the infrastructure that still needs repairing.
Thanks for doing nothing about our health care system that consistently ranks in the bottom half of all civillized nations.
Thanks for the bogus war in Iraq.
Thanks for letting Bin Laden run free in the Middle East, while you wasted our surplus, and created our defecit, on your bogus war.
Thanks for your denial about climate change.
Thanks for your supply-side, voodoo economic policies.
Thanks for telling me to go shopping after the tragic, terrorist attacks after 9/11. (I didn’t go shopping, but thanks for the advice, anyway)
Thanks for declining our credibility around the rest of the world.
Thanks for all the vacations you took, while the rest of us get to take, maybe 2-3 weeks of vacation per year.
Thanks for making every single thing about America worse than it was when it was handed to you.
Most of all I would like to thank the Bush/Cheney administration for absolutely nothing.
Obama’s the bad guy, hey?
If you think that, then it might be time to change the channel, or stop listening to AM radio.
June 3rd, 2009 at 11:14 pmShitney keep it up your doing wonders for the failed GOP. Why would anyone listen to Shitney?
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George W. Bush continuously criminally stalked Margie Schoedinger to the point that she could not get away from it, and she committed suicide in desperation to escape: he murdered her.
“In her suit [against George W. Bush], Margie Schoedinger states that George W. Bush committed sexual crimes against her, organized harassment and moral pressure on her, her family members and close relatives and friends. As Schoedinger said, she was strongly recommended to keep her mouth shut. In addition to that, three unknown men attempted to kidnap her on October 26, 2000. . . . Furthermore, she alleges that George Bush ordered to show pressure on her to the point, when she commits suicide” (http://www.drizzten.com/blog/2002/12/).
“One of those very least were George Bush’s personal complicity in the death (murder to be precise) of my friend Margie Schoedinger in September of 2003” (Leola McConnell (Nevada Progressive Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate in 2010). http://leolaforussenate.blogspot.com/2008/02/leola-mcconnell-for-us-senate.html).
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June 4th, 2009 at 2:34 am_______________
Andrew Yu-Jen Wang
(a.k.a. “THE DISSEMINATING MACHINE”)
B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996
Messiah College, Grantham, PA
Wang111 Says:
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June 4th, 2009 at 3:06 amI saw the documentary “Who Killed the Electric Car” recently. Schade. I also an electric motorcycle on either “Wired” or “Boingo, Boing” that was totally hot, like fer sure.
June 4th, 2009 at 4:41 amBush also passed the buck on the Iraq war, the mortgage/housing crisis, rising unemployment, health care, education, the financial crisis, the money fraud committed in Iraq, yep little georgie did a heck of a job in his 8 year reign of error.
June 4th, 2009 at 11:41 amWell said jedzep!
June 4th, 2009 at 11:46 amWell bUSH did say he was the CEO of the government and was going to run it like a business. He just never told us he was going to use Enron as his business model.
June 4th, 2009 at 11:52 am