Limbaugh: I Could Support Sotomayor If I Became Convinced That She’s Anti-Choice
Limbaugh: I Could Support Sotomayor If I Became Convinced That She’s Anti-Choice
Just hours after President Obama nominated Judge Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court, conservative talker Rush Limbaugh accused her of being a racist and demanded that conservatives oppose her nomination. But in a little noticed portion of his radio show yesterday, conservative talker Rush Limbaugh highlighted the fact that Sotomayor is a Catholic whose views on abortion are not well-known. Limbaugh suggested that, if he becomes convinced that she is anti-choice, he would consider supporting her nomination. Sotomayor “might be the biggest hope for overturning Roe v. Wade down the line,” he said:
We know she’s Catholic. We also know she has no record on abortion. Sonia Sotomayor being Catholic and having not said a word about abortion, I find that interesting. All libs who want to go anywhere in liberalism are pro-choice and they make no bones about it, she hasn’t said a word about it, which could mean that her private feelings are she’s pro-life.
If I could be convinced that Sonia Sotomayor might be the biggest hope for overturning Roe v. Wade down the line, then I might be persuaded to look at her nomination in a different light. I’m serious. I’m dead serious. I’m dead serious. Life, preserving life, to me, is a far more important issue — we can deal with the racism and the bigotry, that can be canceled out by other justices and so forth.
Limbaugh reiterated this argument again today on his radio show, saying, “She would be the sixth Catholic on the Supreme Court. … She’s a Catholic, a devout Catholic, she hasn’t got a record on [abortion] … I can see a possibility of supporting this nomination if I can be convinced that she does have a sensibility towards life.” According to Limbaugh, the fact that she is Puerto Rican, makes it even more likely that she is “devout.” Watch it:
Limbaugh’s hope that Sotomayor will allow the anti-choice stance of the Catholic church to influence her rulings in the court room is a direct contradiction of his insistence last week that Sotomayor’s nomination must be stopped by conservatives because, as he argued, she would allow her personal experiences to influence her rulings from the bench:
RUSH: Have you seen, and do you remember if you have seen it a picture of the lady holding the scales of justice? Do you know what’s remarkable about the lady in that rendering? She’s blindfolded. She doesn’t know whether the people before her… Justice does not know whether the people before it are black, white, Hispanic, male, female, rich, poor, Martian, or whatever. There is nothing about Sonia Sotomayor that is blindfolded where justice is concerned.
Apparently in Limbaugh’s view, when judges allow their religious backgrounds to directly influence their rulings in ways conservatives view favorably, it’s blind justice. When judges remark that being a minority can give individuals perspective on the impact of their rulings, it’s racism.
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I thought the most important thing was for her to follow the law, and not her own personal beliefs.
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:49 pmRoe v. Wade is the law.
As if this un-American, hypocritical, lying, propagandist could give a rats ass about abortion. Like most Repukes, that’s just lip service to their American Taliban followers.
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:49 pmOne-issue politics at its best (or worst). We’ve had many examples today of the hypocrisy of the Rushpublicans and their cohort, but this one takes the cake — Herr Limpballs is willing to support Judge Sotomayor as long as she’s anti-choice? What happened to her being a racist? Intellectually incompetent? A bully?
As Bugs said, “what a maroon — what a tah-rah-rah-GOON-deay…”
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:50 pmshorter Flush Limpdick: I’ll only support her if she’s a dittohead.
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:51 pmI don’t think Judge Sotomayor cares if you support her or not Rush.
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:51 pmLimbaugh weighing in on Roe v. Wade? He certainly does not strike me as a man who believes in God that’s for sure! So why would he care?
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:52 pmLooks like KO will have easy pickings on the 400 million dollar man tonight.
The fat man riled against her because of the fear she would bring her personal beliefs into the courtroom, but now would want her on the bench because of her personal beliefs.
And the dittoheads keep eating it up.
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:53 pmSo the racist charge isn’t working; repugs have to devise another litmus test — now, it will be that if she doesn’t come out strongly against the right to choose, she will suffer for it.
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:53 pmWho gives a sh*t what Limbaugh, the lying, bigoted, wingnut extremist scum, thinks anyway? With his right wing terrorist rants of lies and propaganda, he has done more harm to America than any other enemy in our history..
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:53 pm“All the libs who want to go anywhere in liberalism”?
WTF?
It’s not like it’s the friggin’ DAR or the Rotary Club fer chrissake.
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:54 pmOh Marie, you’re way ahead of me! That must be it, just another hurdle for them to make her jump over.
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:54 pmWow, Rush’s concern about pro choice or pro life, hmmm does he even know which is which ? All this from a 3 time divorced, drug using hate monger.
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:55 pmThink Progress wants to silence those it disagrees with. Why not let others have opinions, why do you always have to attack?
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:56 pmYou win and we lost. Why not enjoy your victory instead of keeping up the bashing?
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:57 pmSo Limbaugh says she’s a racist, but as long as she’s a racist who’s anti-choice, he can support her.
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:57 pmOkay, name-jacker.
How is TP trying to “silence” anybody? What steps have they taken toward that end?
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:59 pmHe he, yeah, Rush is all about life.
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:59 pmI want Rush to fail. Oh wait, too late! He’s already failed at life.
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Art Says:
I thought the most important thing was for her to follow the law, and not her own personal beliefs.
Roe v. Wade is the law.
They aren’t really against judicial activism. In fact, they’re actually against the lack thereof.
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mary lacewing Says:
Limbaugh weighing in on Roe v. Wade? He certainly does not strike me as a man who believes in God that’s for sure! So why would he care?
Yeah, I’ve never seen him as much of a church guy. Social conservative to be sure, but he’s never seemed to actually care about morality of any kind.
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texaslady Says:
Wow, Rush’s concern about pro choice or pro life
“Pro life” means desiring that abortion be criminalized while doing nothing else to reduce the number of unplanned pregnancies that occur in the U.S, which would of course reduce the demand for abortion and therefore reduce the number of occur. They don’t actually care about fetuses, they just want to legislate vaginas.
June 3rd, 2009 at 3:59 pmLimbaugh probably read about pro choice groups concern with not being certain about Judge Sotomayor’s record on reproductive rights and is trying to stoke those flames and undermine the Obama administrations reassurances.
He knows the fake racism charges are failing and that the right wing can’t stop the confirmation, so he’s trying to place doubt in the minds of those that support her.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:00 pmralph the wonder locust,
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:01 pmBy attacking and ridculing Think Progress is trying to silence. Ridicule is a form of intimidation.
nigel Says:
Limbaugh probably read about pro choice groups concern with not being certain about Judge Sotomayor’s record on reproductive rights and is trying to stoke those flames and undermine the Obama administrations reassurances.
Look, I’m not certain about her record on reproductive rights. She’s never ruled on it directly, and she’s a(nother) Catholic. On the other hand, she’s female. But it’s not like the left is all that thrilled with her either.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:01 pmGuido the Benevolent Torturer,
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:02 pmYou run the country now, what else do Progressives want?
I am reminded of Everett Koop, the former Surgeon General. This was a man who was personally opposed to abortion for ideological reasons, yet his scruples were such that he refused to pull evidence out of his butt to support the idea that abortion posed a significant health risk to women, even when he was politically pressured to do so.
Rather than have a justice on the SCOTUS with an ideology I agree with (although that’s better than having one with an ideology I disagree with), knowing that justice will vote along with that ideology no matter what, I’d like to have a justice who will uphold the U.S. Constitution even when it conflicts with his/her personal beliefs. I’d like to have a judicial equivalent of an Everett Koop.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:02 pmI’m tired of the attacks. I voted for Obama on the hope the Left would calm down. But its not the case you are just attacking without mercy.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:03 pmOkay, all you Limpball lickers! I’ve being trying to get this question answered on the mega-post thread with O’Rally, Supporter of the American Taliban:
HOW DID YOU FEEL DURING THE 6 YEARS OF REPUBLICAN RULE, WHEN NOTHING WAS DONE REGARDING ROE VS. WADE???
What? Now you show concern? WTF is that about?
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:03 pmbeing should be been, for course.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:04 pmapparently, had enough hasn’t
it’s back for more, even after being thoroughly embarrased
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:05 pmDRxJapanese Beetle,
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:05 pmWhy that vicious attack? Why can’t Progressives be civil. You run the country now, can’t you show a little mercy towards us. You have beaten us to a pulp, what else you want?
Guido the Benevolent Torturer,
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:06 pmWho have Republicans assasinated?
to right wingers, pointing out the flaws in their position is a “vicious attack”
my they are sensitive little whiners
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:07 pmwhy do right wingers cry and whine so much?
abandonment issues?
fear?
?
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:08 pmRantingTommy,
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:08 pmIts day in and day out for 8 years. Can’t you give it a break?
Had Enough Says:
Guido the Benevolent Torturer,
Who have Republicans assasinated?
Dr. Tiller comes to mind. Republicans’ hate speech is directly responsible for his assasination.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:09 pmsure, soon as you admit your ideology has failed and you were 100% wrong
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:09 pmHad Enough is trying to get us to stop verbally attacking Limbaugh and others with similar view point. Why does Had Enough want to deny us our freedom of speech? By ridiculing TP, Had Enough is engaging in a form of intimidation. Why does Had Enough want to stop us from enjoying our victory?
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:09 pmHad Enough Says:
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:10 pmI’m tired of the attacks. I voted for Obama on the hope the Left would calm down. But its not the case you are just attacking without mercy.
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Until you people stop shooting us libs, you can expect us to complain about your precious little drug addict.
I’m sure she’ll adjust her views for the Oxy Contin Fat Man.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:11 pmkrystalview,
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:11 pmWell Progressive Hate speech about our wars led to the shooting of an Army recruiting center then.
had enough is a half wit. You people are murders. you are scum. quit crying and let us fix your mess. idiot.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:12 pmtell ya what, had enough
you and all your right wing buddies stop spreading your ignorance all over the internet and we’ll stop pointing it out
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:12 pmThen you must agree that Limbaugh, who also attacks and ridicules, seeks to silence those with whom he disagrees. Right?
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:12 pmwrong, HE, no left winger on tv or radio called any recruiter by name and said ‘he must be stopped’
false equivalence
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:12 pmBobwurst,
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:12 pmNo one is shooting you. You guys just attack day after day, doesn’t it bore you?
Had Enough Says: I voted for Obama
Had Enough Says: You win and we lost.
Why does Had Enough give us contradictory messages? Doesn’t he value truth? How can we progressives enjoy our victory when it is spoiled by lies?
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:12 pmThis is hilarious … like it matters who this drug-addict supports or not.
next!
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:13 pmRantingTommy,
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:13 pmIt’s opinions. Are we not allowed to have views? Would you prefer we just stop participating in politics that way you have a one party state? Is it the Soviet Union you want?
It’s more accurate to say Bush Administration torture program caused that rampage! Get your facts straight!
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:13 pmIf a judge (any judge) is ruling according to what the law says, and you don’t like that judge’s rulings, then your problem is with the law, not the judge.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:14 pmHad Enough is a name-jacking troll who has been here many times before, often disguised as a “Progressive” troll who calls for supporting Hamas as the way to achieve “Progress”.
I will no longer respond to it.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:14 pmHad Enough Says:
krystalview,
Well Progressive Hate speech about our wars led to the shooting of an Army recruiting center then
anther conservofacist lie. provide a link to a liberal who said soldier should be killed. what got those soldiers shot in ark. was the bush/cheney war and torture program. idiot.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:14 pmRantingTommy ,
The Left called teh wars Immoral, Imperialistic and Racist. You have done this day in and day out. Therefore this shooter felt justified in doing what he did. I also notice the Left is silent on the shooting? Is is because he is Muslim that you are silent? What is he was a White Milita type, would you be silent then?
PatrioticLiberalChristianMantisReligiosa,
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:15 pmI did vote for Obama so the Left would calm down. It didn’t work. I just want the attacks to stop so people can express themselves without being attacked.
Limbaugh: I Could Support Sotomayor If I Became Convinced That She’s A Right-wing Extremist
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:17 pmralph the wonder locust,
By attacking and ridculing Think Progress is trying to silence. Ridicule is a form of intimidation.
Well, you best speak with your boy Rush about ridicule and intimidation. he’s clearly trying to silence those who don’t share his tiny world view.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:17 pmHad Enough Says:
Bobwurst,
No one is shooting you. You guys just attack day after day, doesn’t it bore you
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Don’t you get bored playing the victim all day? I’m a Unitarian. one of your kind committed murder in an Unitarian Church because he wanted to kill liberals. He is evil. you are an idiot.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:17 pmThese guys will change their tune when it suits them. It just shows they flip flop when it’s in their best interest.
They have not changed. They will be the last people on the planet to change any part of their world view.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:17 pmHad enough…what? Kool-aid? Alcohol? Oxycotin?
They have programs for that.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:17 pmOh, and don’t forget us when you get to that “make amends” stage.
Bobwurst,
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:18 pmSee you just made my point. By harping on the Bush Torture stuff it justifies the shooting. By talking about it over and over you justify the attacks.
had enough says;I did vote for Obama so the Left would calm down. It didn’t work. I just want the attacks to stop so people can express themselves without being attacked
If you want to have a dialogue, try expressing a logical thought. idiot.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:19 pmAnd who in-the-hell cares what El Bloato thinks or says?
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:19 pmAfter 8 years of living under the reign of Bush the Stupid Warmonger, it took only 4 months for had enough to scold us into not atacking the opposition.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:20 pmSorry if you voted for Obama to simply calm down the left – because the left will point out hypocrisy, lies, and anti-Americanism at every opportunity, and that means we will indeed criticize and ridicule anyone who deserves it.
El Bloato!
lol, good one.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:20 pmHad Enough Says:
Bobwurst,
See you just made my point. By harping on the Bush Torture stuff it justifies the shooting. By talking about it over and over you justify the attacks
Yeah, pretending we didn’t invade Iraq for no reason other than bush wanted to look tough and then torturing and raping men women and children will make those war crimes go away…Idiot.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:21 pmBobwurst,
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:22 pmYou attacks lead to the shooting of the recruiting center.
where was Had enough’s concern about personal attacks when we were being branded treasonous for questioning bush’s war policies??? Up his ass, along with his head.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:22 pmWhere’s the real had enough? Don’t let the name-jacking troll get his way.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:22 pmHad Enough, by harping on our harping on the Bush Torture stuff it justifies our harping on your harping. By talking about us over and over you justify our attacks on the Bush Torture stuff.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:22 pmHad enough says:
Bobwurst,
See you just made my point. By harping on the Bush Torture stuff it justifies the shooting. By talking about it over and over you justify the attacks.
No one is justifying violence. That’s a Conservative addiction.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:23 pmThe bush/cheney torture program was the motivation….not justification.
careful there, Marie.
had enough is a good progressive poster.
Had Enough is a lying, name-jacking troll.
It’s important to keep that distinction in mind.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:23 pmI voted for Obama so the Right would have an apocalyptic hissy fit and die.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:23 pmTo Had Enough – Could you conservatives please just have voices with sane comments instead of hate mongering, half truths that rush, o’reilly, hannity, the Fox channel put out ? When conservatives start using facts to argue with maybe we can take you all seriously.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:23 pmI give up. Progressives are ruthless and without mercy. One day the tables will turn and don’t complain when they do.
I vote for Obama so the Left would be happy and yet you are all still miserable.
Good bye!
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:23 pmMs. Sotomayor will surely be ASKED about her views on Roe v. Wade.
I expect her to dance around the issue… BUT if she holds Similar Views to Rush Limbaugh….that Abortion is Murder..and that Roe v. Wade is Unconstitutional…and Says So…
then the DEMOCRATS will block her Nomination.
I think Limbaugh is indulging in Wishfull Thinking in the Face of Defeat.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:24 pmHad Enough, you seem to mistakenly assume that your right of free speech somehow deprives anyone who wants to attack your opinions (or you, you dipsh*t, for that matter) of the right of free speech. If all you’re looking for are views of people like you, tune in Rush or Sean or the rest of the pack.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:25 pmHad Enough is leaving?? That’s mercy.
I’m HAPPY now.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:25 pmHad Enough Says:
Bobwurst,
You attacks lead to the shooting of the recruiting center.
any proof? Any logical connections to make? Criticizing bush, wanting to bring the troops home and out of harms way, pointing out that bush was making immoral, illegal decisions did not lead to any troops being killed.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:25 pmLife, preserving life, to me, is a far more important issue — we can deal with the racism and the bigotry, that can be canceled out by other justices and so forth.
This coming from a guy who supports the use and abuse of fossil fuels, reduction in healhcare coverages, little to no social programs, and supports social greed in reducing jobs and pay of those who deserve it.
Exactly how can you take a stand saying “Support life” but yet on the other hand not support those lives which you think are so important? He’s so ass backwards its not even funny.
He’s only point is to debate the point, not the outcome. That is, he wants to be pro-life only because that’s a stance he can take. You get to use big words like fetus, death, kill, murder etc. They’re shock words. There is no glory in social security, healthcare, or job creation.
The funny thing is, these lives he seems to be so eager to save could ultimately be the ones he crushes with his awful perspective and foul mouth. IE – they could be a Sonya.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:26 pmHad Enough says: “I vote for Obama so the Left would be happy . . .”
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:28 pmOMG. . .what a patriot. . .
I think the shooter of the Army recruiting center was justified. We have killed Millions of peaceloving and innocent Muslims. This shooter is a hero in my book. He was standing up for his Muslim faith.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:30 pmThis kind of logic is uniquely Republican. It’s the “I will ignore everything I claim to hold to be dear to me in exchange for getting this one thing that I want.”
It’s the mindset neo-conservatives used when they thought detainees in Gitmo might be able to tell them what they wanted to hear.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:31 pmHad enough says;
I vote for Obama so the Left would be happy and yet you are all still miserable.
Good bye!
what a freaking martyr!!!! Thank you soooooooooooooooo much for voting to make me happy. that was so generous and giving of you. How could I ever have been so mean to you?!?!?!?!?!?! How can I make it up to you? Can I suck the puss out of your “Rush Limbaugh Memorial Ass Boil”?
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:31 pm@75 Had Enough Says:
You voted for Obama did you? There may be help for you H.E.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:31 pm#72, ralph
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:31 pmThanks for that info — I didn’t pay enough attention to the capitalization.
I think “Hank” is someone from Bill O’s staff trying to prove that Thinkprogress is sanctioning the awful, wrong, and heinous act that occurred at the recruitment center.
Go away, “Hank.”
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:32 pmWow. Had Enough changed clothes pretty quick.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:33 pmIgnore poster Hank at post 83. It is obviously a conservative mole posting crap to make us look bad. Nobody here thinks that shooter was justified in killing that soldier. It is wrong, just like the terrorist who shot Dr Tiller.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:33 pmGood call Ralph. Can we expect hadenough to come back soon and point to that post as evidence that we’re all mean angry poopyfaces?
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:34 pmI wish I hadn’t block-quoted Hank’s comment. If the TP mods see fit to expunge my comment at #89, I would be grateful.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:35 pmHanky, we have no time for you to yanky your wanky here.
Run along now, little hate troll.
PEACE
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:36 pmA potential SC Justice’s views on abortion are a non-issue. The Supreme Court has already declared abortions to be legal and Roe v. Wade is not going to be challenged. If it was going to be challenged, it would have happened while Bush was president. The right doesn’t want to give up abortion as a wedge issue so they will not push it to the SC again. Just like they won’t push the right to bear arms. They need it as a wedge issue also.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:36 pmwe can deal with the racism and the bigotry, that can be canceled out by other justices and so forth.
Except when the other justices are more bigotted and racist…
Rush doesn’t mind a bigot on the supreme court, so long as she’s a bigot against choice.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:37 pmHank,
You’re probably a troll trying to make trouble…but IF you really believe what you wrote….
and WE have killed Millions of Innocents..
and YOU are one of WE..,
then it would be OK with YOU if someone Shot You.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:37 pmHank Says:
I think the shooter of the Army recruiting center was justified.
This is obviously an imposter! Conservatives are the ones addicted to violence.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:38 pmBobwurst Says:
Ignore poster Hank at post 83. It is obviously a conservative mole posting crap to make us look bad. Nobody here thinks that shooter was justified in killing that soldier. It is wrong, just like the terrorist who shot Dr Tiller.
I agree. But I have to say that it puzzles me why they are charging the shooter at the recruiting center with murder and terrorism but they are only charging Roder with murder. As far as I am concerned, they are both terrorist acts.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:38 pmI find it a bit worrisome there is not much info as to where Sonia Sotomayor stands on choice/right to privacy.
Anyone have any links/info on this?
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:41 pmHad Enough Says:
I give up. Progressives are ruthless and without mercy. One day the tables will turn and don’t complain when they do.
I vote for Obama so the Left would be happy and yet you are all still miserable.
Good bye!
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. BTW, do any of you really believe this moron actually voted for Obama? I sure don’t.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:42 pm99. had enough Says:
So you lied to us once again. I thought you said you were leaving.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:43 pmHank Enough?
Wank enough?
My garsh, you’d think his hands would be so calloused, he’d not be able to type such idiocy.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:43 pmBilbo, I had a great opportunity to discuss that very issue with a group of “pro-lifers” while going door to door for Obama last fall. When I laid out the argument that the political right was using the religious right by flaming the abortion issue election after election, and that the GNOP had controlled both houses of congress and the WH and had replaced Sandra Day O’Connor with another conservative yet still didn’t bring a Roe case before the court, it was a great lightbulb moment.
Of course, I failed to mention that Kennedy was/is the swing vote and is pro-choice, but I made my point that the GNOP knows that abortion needs to remain a wedge issue to get their “base” to the polls. And they’re not getting the traction they once had from teh gay issue.
PEACE
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:43 pmBilbo, this the REAL had enough.
The good one.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:43 pmbilbo hussein baggins says;
I have to say that it puzzles me why they are charging the shooter at the recruiting center with murder and terrorism but they are only charging Roder with murder. As far as I am concerned, they are both terrorist acts.
I agree. roeder is a terrorist with a terrorist past. it’s probably because the DA in Kanas is a conservofacist too. White christians can’t be terrorists. that word is reserved for people of color and/or other religions.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:44 pmoops…sorry had enough. I didn’t catch the name jacking. Boy it’s hard to keep up around here. Especially with the recent infestation of inane trolls.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:45 pmhad enough Says:
I find it a bit worrisome there is not much info as to where Sonia Sotomayor stands on choice/right to privacy.
Anyone have any links/info on this?
Oh thank god you’ve returned! I am so sorry that all the meaness here gave you a case of the vapors. It’s your good fortune that you had a fainting couch nearby. I promise to be very nice, and gentle with you from here on out. Do you prefer fulffing with a feather or a piece of silk?
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:46 pmBilbo says
But I have to say that it puzzles me why they are charging the shooter at the recruiting center with murder and terrorism but they are only charging Roder with murder. As far as I am concerned, they are both terrorist acts.
I could not agree with you more!!! I think the fact that the shooter at the recruting center attacked a branch of the armed services may have something to do with the “terrorist” label. Maybe Dr. Tiller’s assasination will be a wake-up call for Congress to pass laws making attacks on health care providers “terrorism acts”. Which is exactly what they are.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:46 pmThe right doesn’t really give a fig that abortion is legal or not. The right made a decision a long time ago to manipulate the some people’s legitimate religious beliefs. They did it for votes. As the right is so fond of pointing out that have held the presidency for 20 of the last 28 years until Obama was elected, but they have failed to make abortion illegal. They haven’t got it done because it is more useful as weapon to maniputale religious voters, than it is to try and really change the law, they haven’t even ever introduced a bill. Supreme Court nominations are a fertle ground for the right whipping up the abortion issues.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:46 pmI have heard way too much from this stuck in junior high, loud mouth retard lately. I use to think is was good to expose the ignorance of these people by printing their rants but now it’s just not amusing anymore. All the sites I read, and news shows I watch are all of the liberal venue and have an intellectual value in their work so please JUST STOP repeating what the Bouncy Bully has to say.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:47 pmwho cares what this idiot thinks anyway?? he doesn’t get to vote…
I doubt very much Judge Sotomayor is anti-choice, since she’s a reasonable person; I doubt very much she’s in favor of turning the clock back and taking away women’s reproductive rights. Only irrational-thinking folks inspired by their irrational religious dogmas believe in turning the clock back on reproductive freedom.
I doubt very much that in other modern democracies there are still large numbers of people trying to take abortion rights away from women, as is the case in this country. I think in most other modern democracies — if not all of them — the issue of reproductive freedom for women was settled a long time ago; it’s only in this country that we’re still debating it because here we have more religious fanatics as a proportion of the population than in any other developed country — and these backward-thinking people are still — 40 years after the legalization of abortion — trying to turn the clock back and take away women’s reproductive freedom rights.
I don’t think they will ever succeed; either in the courts or the ballot box or by statute.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:48 pmOnly a sick mind believes that shooting someone (who is not a direct threat to you or those in your protection) is justifiable. And only right-wingers are making the suggestion that anyone on the left thinks the religious convert who shot the recruiter was justified. So the right-wingers saying that must have sick minds.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:49 pmHere is the scotusblog on Sotomayor and abortion:
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/judge-sotomayor-and-abortion/
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:49 pmRoeder was Arrested with a Trunk full of Explosives, and Convicted.
So….How did he get his hands on a Gun??? Did he Buy it…and When…and WHO sold it to him??
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:49 pmBadger, shhh! You’re not supposed to question the fact that a man whose own brother told authorities was mentally ill had possession of at least one gun and fresh ammo! And I’d be shocked if he only owned one gun.
PEACE
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:53 pmLimbaugh: “Justice does not know whether the people before it are black, white, Hispanic, male, female, rich, poor, Martian, or whatever.”
Then, Limbaugh, you stupid man, what does it matter what her personal beliefs might be? You, on the other hand, are anti-everything that the majority of Americans believe in. If I thought you were pro anything reasonable, honest, or ethical, I might listen to you. But your hateful, dishonest rants are just the opposite. You incite home-grown extremists; it’s the only thing you know how to do.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:56 pmAnd I could be persuaded to tolerate Mr. Limbaugh if he had a complete change of heart, quit his job, and started an organic gardening program for inner city youths.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:00 pmIt is fully possible to be both pro-choice and personally opposed to abortion; but I guess believing that not everyone has to agree with you is too complicated for Rush’s reptilian brain.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:01 pmAll available polling shows Catholics are slightly more favorable to abortion rights than Protestants.
Just another item in the never-ending queue of Facts Limbaugh Prefers Not To Know.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:01 pmSure, he’s so pro-life he makes a career out of mocking the living and inciting others to do worse.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:01 pmShorter Limbaugh: Why won’t Judge Sotomayor cringe before me!?
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:02 pmPowkat Says:
Hear, hear. We would all get so much further in this debate if both sides started promoting freely available birth control, sex education (including the option of abstinence), and public support for adoption.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:04 pm#100 Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Had Enough Says:
I give up. Progressives are ruthless and without mercy. One day the tables will turn and don’t complain when they do.
I vote for Obama so the Left would be happy and yet you are all still miserable.
Good Bye!
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Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. BTW, do any of you really believe this moron actually voted for Obama? I sure don’t.
June 3rd, 2009 at 4:42 pm
What the hell is this?
that is not a statement from this ‘had enough’
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:07 pmBadger Says:
Very good questions. Ones that I would like to see answered myself. I’m thinking that the investigation into Roeder should prove enlightening. Now, as far as Limbaugh is concerned…Ummmm….
Quick! Someone remind me…. How is he relevant again?
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:07 pmhad enough Says:
Sorry had enough, you were the victim of a name hijacking troll.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:09 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
99. had enough Says:
So you lied to us once again. I thought you said you were leaving.
Please back up your statements… I am beginning to think you have lost it.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:14 pmWhen will a stop be put to these “Media Mansons”?
Legally, and without shooting them, that is…..
They should be on trial for accessory-to-murder-1.
Their armed-to-the-teeth wingnut fans should be on watch lists.
I may have to get a gun to defend myself and my family from Righty Bible-thumpers. Unlike al qaeda guys, wingnuts really do surround me….
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:20 pmDoom Siren Says:
had enough Says:
Sorry had enough, you were the victim of a name hijacking troll.
desperate times for desperate folks.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:20 pmEasy, had enough… you are finding out you were namejacked, and some of us failed to notice that the name-jacker capitalized “Had Enough”. I tried to alert everyone, but you know how a thread is when a troll starts roiling the waters…
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:20 pm#
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Had Enough Says:
I’m tired of the attacks. I voted for Obama on the hope the Left would calm down. But its not the case you are just attacking without mercy.
this troll has been taken out… right?
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:25 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
I would hope my views are solid enough that most would see through this troll. If you or another regular on this board were hijacked I would most defiantly suspect troll activity over one lying or being deceitful.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:32 pmHad Enough Says:
DRxJapanese Beetle,
Why that vicious attack? Why can’t Progressives be civil. You run the country now, can’t you show a little mercy towards us. You have beaten us to a pulp, what else you want?
STOP SAYING STUPID CRAP. If you’ve got the same level of understanding of an issue as your average dung beetle, then keep your damn yap shut. Maybe go learn something.
If you keep saying stupid crap, we’re going to point at you and explain how stupid it was, and why. We’ve already learned what happens to the country when you wackjobs are allowed to vomit your bile without vigorous and well-reasoned rebuttal. Never again.
If somebody has something intelligent to share, they can share it. There are reasonable conservative points to be made about a variety of subjects, but nobody’s making them because that wouldn’t be “hardcore” enough, and then “the base” would stab them in the back. And no, I’m not going to clue you in to what those positions would be. Do your own damn thinking for once in your misbegotten life.
While you’re at it, quit with all the sobbing and blubbering at us. You’re piddling all over our nice carpet here. It’s unbecoming of an internet tough guy.
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Had Enough Says:
See you just made my point. By harping on the Bush Torture stuff it justifies the shooting. By talking about it over and over you justify the attacks.
WTF? So the murder of Dr. Tiller is justified by liberals complaining about torture? That’s… inventive.
/responding to “Had Enough” specifically, not “had enough.”
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:34 pmYea, the real had enough is here!
ralph had your back dude.
See #17 & #52.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:38 pmThank you.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:43 pmLimbaugh actually used the proper wording… anti-choice. Just another man set on controlling women.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:44 pmThis thread highlights a good point. People don’t really want objective judges, they want judges with biases that further their own ideology.
Shared bias is not objectivity.
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:47 pmShould have said: Limbaugh’s comments highlight…
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:47 pmvery funny
June 3rd, 2009 at 5:48 pmIf Limbaugh has 20 million listeners, that means there are 280 million that don’t listen to him and the majority of those probably don’t give a sh!t whether he supports Sotomayor or not.
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:01 pmP.S. I’m one of those.
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:02 pmquestion regarding the troll situation:
Isn’t Bilbo Hussein Baggins supposed to be in all lower case?
If so, another name jacking and is still posting.
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:04 pmI would wager that Limbaugh did not use the term ‘anti-choice’.
TP often takes unhealthy liberty with the threadlines.
I believe that is disingenuous and often gives people mistaken impressions. It makes the site less credible.
It’s possible he said it, but I didn’t see it in the clip or in Limbaugh’s direct quotes.
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:06 pmI mean, he only led the Republican revolution against Clinton . . .
Newt Gingrich.
and is leading the revulsion . . . eh, excuse me . . . revolution . . . against Obongo.
Debatable. Gingrich has the rest of the airwaves, while limbaugh just has AM. He’s on every weekend, and reaching a much larger audience on broadcast TV.
But he’s of no importance. He commands nooooo attention whatsoever! LOL
Why isn’t he interviewed on other media, like Fox News? Gingrich is eating his lunch in that respect.
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:22 pmJohn in Texas,
Before 1973, and the Roe v. Wade Ruling…Abortions WERE Illegal
Do you honestly think that Stopped Abortions???
Rich Women Flew to Sweden
Poor Women lost their Lives of Their Ability to have Children in the Back Alleys
I think we CAN and SHOULD Be able to Eliminate UNINTENDED Pregnancies.
For Tragic Medical Situations, the Woman should Get to make the Decision.
Countries like the Netherlands have MUCH Lower Abortion rates because they have Good Sex Education and Good National Health Care.
That’s the Common Ground I’m Shooting for…and it Does not make me PRO Abortion. No One is PRO Abortion.
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:25 pmI don’t know why you liberals care about what Mr Limbaugh says.
His rhetoric appeals to pinheads, who sometimes cannot distinguish between his commerciality, and his ideology. They think it’s for real (though I seriously doubt he himself does), and some may act out their paranoid fantasies.
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:26 pmJohn. I’m pro-choice, but that’s a great point that just because something is law doesn’t make it right.
Roe v. Wade is the law. What Tiller did was lawful. He obviously should not have been killed.
If conservatives want to stop abortion, they should work to change the law.
I think that would be a mistake, resulting in unsafe back alley abortions.
Additionally, I believe that we work towards the universal goal of less abortion, by better sex education in schools, wider availability of contraceptives, and a moderation of the conservative insistence on abstinence.
Are conservatives willing to compromise to reduce the number of future abortions?
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:28 pmAre conservatives willing to compromise to reduce the number of future abortions?
They don’t do compromise. Tiller put proof to that. there will always be impressionable minds, and those who would profit from them, by selling them hate.
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:32 pmLiberals focus on Limbaugh because he is probably the most articulate and influential opponent of their cause.
He has a troubling propensity to exude bigotry that the left exploits to discount his promotion of conservatism. Conservatism that many find appealing
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:41 pmrhf. Conservatives have a problem with bigotry, or at very least, the perception of bigotry.
I disagree with the idea that most conservatives are extremists. I find that analogous to characterizing all Muslims as extremists.
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:52 pmYou know, when I look at Rush I see a guy who has probably paid for a few abortions in his life.
We know he is an addict and broke the law, we know he is a sex tourist….
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:56 pmUnemployment Rates
Dec. 2007 vs. March 2009 by country:
USA 4.9% vs. 8.5%
UK 5.0% vs. 6.6%
Germany 7.9% vs. 7.6%
Japan 3.7% vs. 4.8%
France 7.7% vs. 8.8%
Source: Bloomberg
Reason: Safety Net
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:01 pmThat’s funny, and a little Freudian, that he said anti-choice instead of pro-life. It was kind of hard to imagine him caring about the unborn, but taking a choice from a woman, now that’s something he could get behind.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:35 pmJohnintexas Says:
1 Art . . . she wasn’t nominated because she would follow the law, remember? She was nominated because she’s so empathetic to the trials and tribulations of the undertrodden minorities.
My, how quickly you guys reverse your stance when it suits you.
Actually the first point Obama brought up in introducing her was her qualifications and judicial record. The “empathy” thing is an afterthought.
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backup Says:
Are conservatives willing to compromise to reduce the number of future abortions?
Conservatism will make a “comeback” only when it learns to compromise. But all of its “leading voices” right now are still calling for getting even more hard-line, and retreating to a smaller base. Until it comes back from its self-created wilderness, it will continue to wander there.
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backup Says:
I disagree with the idea that most conservatives are extremists. I find that analogous to characterizing all Muslims as extremists.
At present, conservativs who don’t hold with the most extremist wing get vilified by it, and are often forced out of their positions – Chris Buckley ferinstance.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:41 pmRascalcat. I don’t think he said ‘anti-choice’.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:50 pmrhf. I’m curious. do you have even one conservative position?
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:02 pmJohnintexas Says:
Silly socialists never learn . . . tick, tock, tick, tock . . . 2010 is coming . . . wonder what Mr Limbaugh has to say about that?
Who cares? He is “of no importance. He commands nooooo attention whatsoever.”
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:26 pmAs we comment on the blackness of the tea kettle, we should probably stop and consider a definition of bigotry:
What are the conservative ideals that you find tolerable?
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:29 pmthat last comment was for rhf. my bad.
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:31 pmbackup Says:
As we comment on the blackness of the tea kettle, we should probably stop and consider a definition of bigotry:
What are the conservative ideals that you find tolerable?
Not applicable. Conservatism is a lifestyle choice. If you can scientifically prove that it’s really some kind of congenital disability, I might start showing them some “empathy.” Until then, I simply can’t condone anyone voting Republican or promoting the Republican agenda. At least not in public where my children might see them practicing their filth.
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:43 pmElBruce. I understand. The comment was directed at rhf, because she seems convinced that conservatives have a monopoly on bigotry. (I have conceded that conservatives do have issues with bigotry).
Conservatism may be a choice, but if you consider the definition:
you can make the case that conservatives are people with ideas that rhf sees as different and intolerable. she may feel justified in her unwilliness to tolerate them, but that intolerance seems to fit the definition of bigotry.
And there are progressives that make the case that conservatism is a disability. Here’s Jeanane Garofalo explaining how it’s a neurological defect caused by an enlarged limbic brain. She’s serious:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAAHMDpk7Ik
If bigotry includes the intolerance of the ideas of others, it is not the sole domain of conservatives.
June 3rd, 2009 at 9:19 pmDrop dead, FatBastard.
June 3rd, 2009 at 10:11 pmbackup Says:
If bigotry includes the intolerance of the ideas of others, it is not the sole domain of conservatives.
But isn’t conservatism defined by its ideas? And thus if someone “hates conservatives,” what they hate must be that set of ideas, and/or its proponents. I maintain that they are all bad ideas, so much so that their implementation would destroy everything that America stands for – pretty strong words, enough so that I could equally be said to “hate conservatism” as well as those who would implement it, i.e. conservatives.
June 3rd, 2009 at 10:55 pmElBruce. The problem I’m having is that intolerance often seems inappropriate, but occassionally seems very appropriate.
It seems intuitive to be intolerant of the ideas of nazi’s or klansmen, but not appropriate to be intolerant of of most different cultures, religions or many political issues.
So, is the intolerance that many progressives show conservatives (and vice versa) an appropriate intolerance in the vein to be shown nazis and klansmen or is it a less appropriate intolerance of those with differing points of view; that can plausibly be chalked up to simple bigotry.
June 3rd, 2009 at 11:43 pmWow, fellow progressives—we won this lap. The Republicans are walking in circles behind us, while railing at us and almost everyone in the stands—- crying for themselves, as if we we’re supposed to stop running and dedicate ourselves, instead to mopping their brows, and making arrangements to provide them with a plush waaambulance.
EAT DUST. We’re going to clear the field of you morons who think that running your mouths is running the government, so we can advance more quickly and run more laps with the finite amount of time we have left in this race.
June 4th, 2009 at 12:11 amwhy are old retarded white men so obsessed with women’s choices?
June 4th, 2009 at 6:38 pmI love how limpballs always claims to be all for freedom of the people, yet he has no problem denying women the freedom to do what they want with their bodies.
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