Sanford’s Priorities: Nix School Funding And Reform, Allow Guns At School
Sanford’s Priorities: Nix School Funding And Reform, Allow Guns At School
Gov. Mark Sanford (R-SC) has been waging a months-long war against the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, refusing to apply for $700 million in federal stimulus funds, most of which would go to improving South Carolina’s failing schools.
Yet denying his state needed stimulus funds is just the start of Sanford’s recent highly partisan moves. Yesterday, ThinkProgress reported that Sanford had refused to join a national school reform effort to set curriculum standards. Sanford claimed that he refused to sign on because the “governor does not have a role in implementing education policy.”
Now the governor has taken action on two bills that show where his priorities really lie: He vetoed a bill reigning in predatory payday lending, and signed a bill allowing loaded guns on school grounds.
Reinforcing his ideological approach, Sanford claimed that regulating payday loans was incompatible with “limited government and maximized individual freedom.” State Sen. Joel Lourie (D) replied, “His vision for South Carolina is for ineffective, underfunded schools, for kids buying cheap cigarettes and for unprotected consumers.”
The gun law Sanford signed allows anyone with a concealed weapons permit to leave a gun in their car while parked at a school so that, according to the bill’s sponsor, teachers can more fully exercise their rights:
“I’m not trying to bring firearms inside the school,” said [Sen. Shane] Martin, R-Spartanburg. “You don’t need to carry it inside the school. But I’ve had teachers tell me they can’t exercise their (Second Amendment) rights traveling to and from school. They ought to be able to travel to school without having to leave their weapon.”
So while Sanford refuses to fix crumbling schools or prevent thousands of teacher layoffs or crack down on some of the most predatory lending practices around, he was willing to join a freshman senator’s “grand gesture” to the NRA. It must be more of that “reform” Sanford has trumpeted.
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Un-frickin’-believable!
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:30 pmSince the 2008 campaign (the inept McCain, the crazy Palin) and the election of Barack Obama, the repugs have collectively gone insane.
Regular gun fights at school will help lower those pesky education costs, eh Sanford?
**eyes rolling**
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:30 pmIf teachers need guns in their cars for protection in SC, Sanford has bigger problems on his hands. Maybe he should invest in the SC police force.
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:33 pmjjc.. I don’t even know where to begin with this one. Are you sure you’re not pulling this nonsense from the ‘Onion’?
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:33 pmGot it. The governor has no role in implementing education policy but does have a duty to prevent the state’s children from getting an education. Yep, he’s a Republican.
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:35 pmI don’t know how many times I’ve heard a teacher complain about not being able to carry a loaded weapon to and from class… I mean they’ll put up with the low pay, the long hours and the no respect… but having to leave the strap at home?
That’s a bridge too far, man
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:39 pmJust so I am on the same page. When the freaks appear and they will as this is total freak chum, are we ignoring them or playing catch and release….
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:42 pmAre all Republicans complete morons? Or does it just seem that way? Out in sunny California, Sir Arnold of Greed is busy trying to destroy our fine state by choking the budget too death. We need to jack up the income taxes on greedy corporations and the ruling class.
O/T: indict Bill O’Reilly and Fox News Corporation as Accessories Before the Fact of murder and domestic terrorism in the case of Dr. Tiller.
PS: abortion is not murder, abortion is the termination of pregnancy.
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:44 pmI hope we ignore them. They’re taking over too many threads at TP.
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:45 pmDid they have one of those contests were the elementary kids design the poster? What’s the lightening bolt for?
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:45 pmThose poor teachers, if they get seperated from their guns for to long, they will just fall to the ground into a little ball crying and twitching for their gun, How will they teach those childeren if they can’t run out to the parking lot and stroke their gun every once in a while.
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:48 pmit’s kinda hard to maximize “individual freedom” when you’re saddled with outrageous debt… and even more outrageous finance charges and interest…
as to the school guns… not surprised…
there are some burma-shave-type signs on I 57, champaign county illinois that promote guns in schools…
folks is skeered! … and maybe joebob could be a heero!
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:54 pmI guess the poor put upon gunless teachers just can’t get those bad kids to mind any other way…w.o.w.
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:56 pmBecause students who would threaten people with weapons would never break into a car to obtain one?
I knew two wonderful people who quit teaching because they were tired of having guns and knives pulled on them. Guess Detroit was a little rough back then. It is a serious problem in some schools, but it seems that school administration turn it into a control battle, so that the problem is exasperated. When you have children being controlling to the point that they are a danger to others, a responsible adult does not respond by locking horns with them and making an effort to go into battle with a bigger gun. Perhaps these children shouldn’t be in school. They aren’t all threatening bodily harm as they live and breathe, are they?
We’re tazing elementary students now. Should parents start using stun guns to discipline children? I’m overgeneralizing, but it seems like adults don’t have time or aren’t making time to adequately deal with children. Or each other, for that matter. Our culture is reactionary, reductionist, and in the habit of polarizing so that we seem to keep alternating between reactive “toughness” and reactive permissiveness, and neither one is effective.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:00 pmWill people be breaking into the cars of known gun-carriers? Then what? They’ll clean the guns and put them back?
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:03 pmLooks as if Sanford figures that when parents go into debt because of his asshattery , they can send their kids out to earn some coin by becoming armed robbers……….
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:05 pmThere’s a huge problem with that way of thinking, though, and I’ve done the courtesy of highlighting the part I take offense. Unless you’re ready to break the bank to pay for policemen to monitor hallways, you’re opening a huge door to allow guns to be brought into the school.
I just find that something is bound to go dreadfully wrong with such a law. Guns should have no reason to be on school grounds, PERIOD, whether it be on someone’s person or locked in a car in the school parking lot.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:06 pmLet them just kill each other then we wont have to worry about funding their sorry a@#@#$. Darwin said “survival of the fit” and frankly there are too many unfit, unintelligent cretins in this country. This way we can hope for a better world.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:12 pmit’s been brewing since columbine, then virginia, the rest…
if those teachers had a gun, they could have stopped the killing…
maybe… so, only teachers can have the guns? what good if they can’t bring them into the school?
guns kill.
that’s all i know.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:16 pmum… what was that?
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:19 pmOT:
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:19 pmI have ten bucks that the sun will still rise, folks will still go to work, and heterosexuals will still get divorced in NH tomorrow…
dbadass, I’m on board with the “ignore” campaign for the most odious trolls.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:20 pmUnbelievable! If the residents of this backward state weren’t so frigging stupid they would recall this idiot!
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:26 pmMy main locust man:
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:28 pmNice to see ya. Hope you had a happening day. One problem we will have to address is how to decide. Perhaps a simple rubric. Obviously we can’t ignore all without jeopardizing important research but still the fake ones that try too hard and are just vile need to be ditched so as to not skew the dataset…
dbadass, I think it’s fine to talk ABOUT the odious ones without addressing them, at least in order to establish the policy.
It’s tough to draw a line, but in the current environment, I wouldn’t invoke the policy to deal with C4Pee, but racistintexas — yes.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:30 pmyou know, guys, it’s not so much they should be ignored, but the sophomorice taunts and arguments are reeeally tedious…
just the facts. counter and push back with facts and truth.
simple. and, educational.
especially if the idiocy is not ‘copypasta’…
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:31 pmGREAT! Now when a kid breaks into a teachers car they come away packin’.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:31 pmGuns in locked cars are not safe. unless people carry safes in their car, which they DO make. you can get one at walmart for about $35. I like that part of this story. But he refers to teachers only, what about 18 year old students? can they carry guns to school too?
SC budget comes from the governor, which has education funding. The funding is what the policy is based on. So him saying he doesn’t have a hand in policy is just a bold-faced lie.
He is doing nothing more than grandstanding, show boating, pandering, lying and being a dolt. He couldn’t be a more typical politician. SC and Georgia are the 2 scariest states I’ve ever been in. The whites are racist and the black are too. I am glad I don’t live anywhere near that bass ackward part of the country.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:36 pmWhen they take the gun off the poster what will they put in its place to fill the void?
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:37 pmcould be they are preoccupied over at the tiller/oLIElly thread…
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:37 pmi’ve not been there, and 670+ tells me i don’t even want to…
#18
Uh…
If we have the people in South Carolina schools kill each other, who will we have left to teach them Darwinism?
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:38 pmGovernor Sanford obviously wants to keep South Carolinans stupid and uneducated so they will keep on voting for Repugnacants like himself.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:38 pm“I’m not trying to bring firearms inside the school,” said [Sen. Shane] Martin, R-Spartanburg. “You don’t need to carry it inside the school.”
That’s Phase 2.
Yet another “a handful of gun owners are too lazy or stubborn to obey the law so they need special treatment” bill. Was it South Carolina or Texas that was too large for an insane asylum?
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:41 pmA totally misleading political thread title. No where did he say to allow guns in school. Dunbasses
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:49 pmIf they’d bend on trigger-lock requirements, we’d have a lot to compromise on.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:49 pmAt best this guy had his priorities mixed up and should be fired.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:50 pm…
… Allow Guns At School
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June 3rd, 2009 at 7:59 pmRealityCheck Says:
A totally misleading political thread title. No where did he say to allow guns in school. Dunbasses.
You’ve got that wrong. The last part of the title says “allow guns at shcool.”
Now the governor has taken action on two bills that show where his priorities really lie: He vetoed a bill reigning in predatory payday lending, and signed a bill allowing loaded guns on school grounds.
This is the recipe for disaster especially if one of those teacher’s cars is broken into.
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:00 pmYou know where most criminals get their guns? From people who leave guns where criminals can easily steal them. As a gun owner, I can’t imagine a worse place to leave a gun than in my car while at work. And I can’t really imagine why I would need one on my way to and from work nor do I think it likely that many heroes will avert shootings in comparison to the number of guns that could end up in the wrong hands.
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:03 pmI might add that, even back when I used to go hunting before work? I didn’t leave my shotgun in my car.
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:04 pmThe only thing one can think, is that this dude is cracking down on the pocketful of crack rocks he must be smoking. I feel sorry for South Carolina. Dude is whacked.
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:13 pmYes, the claim that teachers in an environment that poses such a threat of bodily harm that it makes sense for them to take a gun to school, and that it makes since to leave your gun in you car in that environment is preposterous on its face. In fact, it makes me wonder if the teachers and faculty have a problem with the whole concept of self-defense that contributes to the problem of violence in schools. When it comes to bullies, defensiveness and fear is an invitation to abuse. Not blaming victims, but who are the adults in this situation?
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:15 pmThere certainly don’t seem to be any adults left in the GOP, wiley. Adult sensibilities just can’t develop in such closed minds.
As for Sanford, he seems to be trying to compete with Bible Spice for the whacked out Reichwhiner base. Heh. How sad is it that they are fighting to appeal to the stupidest 20% of the electorate?
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:32 pmpete Says:
And I can’t really imagine why I would need one on my way to and from work…
Apparently you’ve never faced the commuter traffic in South Carolina. Bah-da-BUMP!
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:32 pmWell, if they successfully manage to outlaw abortion, then guns at school would be a great way to get rid of all those pesky unwanted children who result. Because they only care about fetuses — once those unwanted children are born, ill-treated, and in need of care like food stamps, etc, those same repugs only want them to shut up and go away. Guns in schools! The perfect wet dream for a republican!
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:35 pmIf I had ever made a habit of carrying a gun in the car? I would have ended up dead or imprisoned long ago. I often quip that, “I like most everybody, except people who drive“.
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:36 pmhormiga brava chavez Says:
RealityCheck Says:
A totally misleading political thread title. No where did he say to allow guns in school. Dunbasses.
You’ve got that wrong. The last part of the title says “allow guns at shcool.”
I think RC’s jumping on those of us who assume that the law won’t be sturdy enough to keep those guns locked in the cars on school grounds and out of schools if they are brought to school grounds.
And I stick behind my claim–if you have guns in cars parked at schools, there is very little to keep the gun from entering the school unless you decide to hire more police to monitor the schools.
In other words, you know how to keep guns out of school? By keeping them as far away from schools as possible.
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:37 pmObviously The Idiot Gov needs too keep his constituents as stupid as he is
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:37 pmIt appears that there is some sort of bully uprising in the making. Actually, I’ve been thinking a lot about my experience as a nanny for a child with Reactive Attachment Disorder.
It’s very demanding working with children that do not trust anyone, have an insatiable drive to control the adults around them, are the children most likely to harm or even kill others out of sheer pique, have no empathy, vandalize other people’s property, hurt those weaker than themselves, lie, cheat, steal, have weak reasoning skills and no grasp of cause and effect thinking, are angry at the whole world, and have an uncanny ability to get people’s numbers and manipulate them with flattery and conceit.
It’s not uncommon for all the children in the presence of one these children to immediately key into the fact that there is a predator among them, while adults completely fall for whatever Disney-child facade the RADkid projects for the benefit of manipulating adults. During my nanny term I was floored on many occasions by what suckers adults can be for a child they’ve never met before.
Slowly professionals are catching on. Foster parents and adoptive parents lobbied hard for about thirty years before psychiatrists and psychologists started taking them seriously. Schools are starting to address the bullying of other children.
There are other pathological and psychological conditions that make some children threatening. Instead of treating all children as if they are the enemy, we really need to learn how to deal with the small percentage of our population that is predatory. Adult sociopaths leave a huge wake of pain and social devastation behind them. They are about 3-5% of tghe population. Most people aren’t criminally insane and life threatening.
The school my charge attended worked with her father and I to keep her behavior in check for the benefit of everyone—especially for her. There is a saying in the RADparent community that to allow them to abuse others is to abuse them. Children need to have adults in charge. These children want to rule the world, but they can’t. Responsible adults maintain social order. What works, and often the only things that work to keep these children from doing violence is counter-intuitive and would not be effective with children who are socialized with reason and empathy. So adults who don’t recognize this and insist on treating them the same as all the other children actually enable the RADs. From the perspective of normal children, they see a predator they are rightfully afraid of in league with a lot of adults who blame them for what the bully is doing to them. That’s scary.
Professionals who deal with children, need to disabuse themselves of the idea that there is an approach to “children” that works for all children and deal with the problem of school violence, by dealing with the violent, and defending the civilized children from the neurologically challenged.
We sure as hell need to stop electing these people.
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:42 pmThe KKKonservanazi republiKKKans can sure make an a$$ of themselves. Gov. Sanford is teaming up with Palin to do the same thing.
Something tells me the KKKonservanazis are in a race to destroy public education in the states they control.
That will probably attract lots of investments. Yesiree! A good KKKonservanazi move you got going there, Skippy. ;-0
“When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag carrying a cross.” Sinclair Lewis
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:55 pmOh, they’re also the people most likely to make a false accusation of abuse, and seem to especially like accusing someone falsely of exactly what they themselves are doing. When adults assume that a child is always telling the truth when a child accuses an adult of abuse they are feeding the pathology of these predatory children with miracle-gro.
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:55 pmWow! When I was in High School the girls couldn’t even carry lipstick. And still there was gang warfare.
June 3rd, 2009 at 9:05 pmmaximized individual freedom
So, Sanford believes in maximized individual freedom unless you happen to be a pregnant woman. Then you lose your right to individual freedom of choice as to what to do with your body.
HYPOCRITE!
June 3rd, 2009 at 9:06 pmmaximized individual freedom?
June 3rd, 2009 at 9:14 pmSeems NH has a better handle on this concept today then it did yesterday…
Good catch, dbadass. The graphic lightening bolt is standard marshal fare. Reminds of the Sac emblem—an armed fist clenching an olive branch and three bolts of lightening. Peace is our profession. It’s a fitting symbol for the war they are apparently planning to have with our children.
June 3rd, 2009 at 9:27 pmOkay, I live in SC. I take comfort in knowing that he will lose his bid for another term, should he go for one. His political moves are counter-porductive to the welfare of the state as well as the common person.
To refuse funds that are desperately needed for the school, to rebuild and retrofit them for modern purposes, as well as allowing teachers to bring loaded weapons onto a school campus is seemingly the last nail in his career. I will wait until the elections happen, but I am fairly certain that we will have someone with more common sense and less disdain for those of us who are not able to attend private schools or private colleges. Someone who will understand that school, public or private, is for the benefit of the children and not a ready supply of budget cuts when you want to build a new mall.
Gov. Sanford has waged a war on public schools for a while now and I will be glad when his reign of terror is over and done with and we can finally have a school system that works for everyone in this state.
June 3rd, 2009 at 9:28 pmWe should allow guns in schools at the same time we allow guns in the state capitol building and court houses for divorce court. I think the governor would agree with that.
June 3rd, 2009 at 9:46 pm“He vetoed a bill reigning in predatory payday lending…”
Sorry to be the spell-checker/grammar queen/nitpicker, but:
- a king “reigns”, or rules, over his country;
- a horseman “reins” in his horse, thereby slowing the horse down or stopping the horse.
Just a handy guide to the correct usage. I’ll shut up now.
June 3rd, 2009 at 10:33 pmwiley Says:
Instead of treating all children as if they are the enemy, we really need to learn how to deal with the small percentage of our population that is predatory. Adult sociopaths leave a huge wake of pain and social devastation behind them. They are about 3-5% of tghe population.
What I’m also concerned about is how these predators manage to get the other 15-17% to vote for them. What’s the pathology of the “bully sidekick?” You know, the guy hiding in the bully’s shadow repeating whatever the bully says – that seems to describe the majority of wingnuts.
June 3rd, 2009 at 10:43 pmI am still struggling to understand why anyone would need to carry weapons to their workplace. Specially if that workplace is a school.
I am not sure I’d want those teachers anywhere near my kids…
June 3rd, 2009 at 10:51 pmCCP(concealed carry permit holders) do not bother me at all. Here in Ohio In the six years that there has been CCP’s there has been only one crime involving a CCP holder using his gun and that persons CCP had been revoked. However keeping a gun in your car is generally a bad idea unless you invest in a specialty car gun safe.
June 3rd, 2009 at 11:19 pmSaid Sanford, “Our childrens have to protect themselves from the revenooers! Git’r duuuun!”
June 4th, 2009 at 12:09 amI suspect, ElBruce that the majority of the sociopath’s dedicated enablers were raised by one or more sociopaths, and through some stroke of good fortune, they were programmed with a conscience in infancy. My “theory” is that their maladaptive behavior is an unpurged defense mechanism from a childhood with a predator that the child could not challenge without grievous consequence. In a nutshell—it’s the justified pants-pi**ing fear of their tragic childhood talking. Better to be on the right hand of the devil, than in his path.
June 4th, 2009 at 1:09 amMr. Sanford is truly a Reich Wing Nut JOB,please have him name ons F ing school teacher that needs a gun in their car at school and then ask him or her why they need a gun in their car at school.My brother teaches in the Detroit schools and he does not need a gun nor has he ever needed it.Sanford and Palin 2012, ROTFLLAMF!!!!!!!!!
June 4th, 2009 at 1:10 amWOW and big fat WOW!!! What is wrong with South Carolina? I sure do hope that the people of South Carolina vote this “bizarre” person out of office.
Can you imagine every morning, checking to make sure your kids have their loaded guns in their backpack before school? I would be terrified as a teacher in South Carolina or Texas knowing that the state government allowed students and other teachers to bring guns to school or even in the classroom?
I guess Sanford and even Perry forgot about Virgina Tech and the Columbine massacre’s or even the kid who shot and killed 3 cops in Pittsburgh recently when he was “brainwashed” into thinking Obama was going to take away his gun rights? As well as all the other campus and school shootings across the country.
SANFORD IS DANGEROUS AND A HAZMAT, HE LACKS THE MENTAL CAPACITY TO BE A LEADER ALONG WITH A LOT OF GOP’S.
June 4th, 2009 at 1:11 amhe is from the south take a drive thru the southern states then you will understand.
until you do you will never understand those folks mentality.
they drain the federal treasure and take more than they give.
they also supply our military with their kids to keep our wars for profits intact and proud to do so.
I will be called a traitor by many just as germans were called traitors when they spoke out against hitler.
at least i will not be shot for speaking out but if cheney and bush had their way they would have taken even those rights away.
the repub talk individual rights dont you believe it they only want to give individual rights to those that agree with them.
those that dont agree with them they call traitors or unamerican.
the neo cons are the greatest danger to this countries freedoms and wealth.
look at the last 8 years and the condition of the country now and they want more of the same.
that is the power of paradigms.
June 4th, 2009 at 3:21 amI want to know who the latter day Mayberry Machiavellis are that give such cretinous advice to these Republicans–and how much are they paid for this idiocy we are constantly subjected. Jindal, Perry, Palin, Sanford, Boehner all act as if it’s 2003.
I just love it…
June 4th, 2009 at 4:18 amThe more I think about it, I think race issues have something to do with the stimulus holdouts. I don’t think it has everything to do with it, but I think that, in addition to not taking money from those darn “liberals” and “big government” blah blah blah…, there is something symboliically distasteful to the Republican base about a white governor taking “handouts” from a black man. I know it sounds looney, but, the Republican base is full of loons.
June 4th, 2009 at 5:07 amThat’s not loony, cdwriteme. Perhaps you weren’t of voting age during the Reagan administration when portraying welfare as giving money to black women driving cadillacs and sporting diamond rings (the “welfare queen) was de rigeur.
June 4th, 2009 at 5:34 amRepubliklan value #26:
Willful Ignorance
June 4th, 2009 at 9:44 amDamn shame.
June 4th, 2009 at 11:22 amI live in Chicago… a few of the more recent school shootings were on or very near school property. Basically, he’s aiding in that sort of thing. So instead of going in school with it, they can hang around 10 feet from school with it.
Smart.
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How in the world does the far right elect these goofs is beyond me. Palin, Perry and Sanford, the Three Stooges strikes again… Amazing! No priorities on education is a strategy to keep voters in their states dumb so they can get elected. Heckuvajob Sandy.
June 6th, 2009 at 3:35 amWell, why not allow loaded guns into the school? I understand there are nearly 40 states that allow registered owners of concealed weapons to take them into restaurants and bars where alcohol is served, and Tennessee is getting ready to join them. But don’t worry…they won’t serve alcoholic drinks to anyone who is carrying a gun. I guess they’ll frisk everyone who orders a drink.
Yes, I am playing devil’s advocate here. I don’t agree with the guns in bars deal, and I certainly don’t agree with guns in schools, or on school grounds. These ignorant gun owners will do and say anything to whine about their rights being taken away. “Can’t take my gun on school grounds? Oh, the government is trying to take my gun away!”
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