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	<title>Comments on: Liz Cheney: Obama&#8217;s Language On Israel Goes &#8216;Much Further&#8217; Than The Bush-Era Road Map For Peace</title>
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		<title>By: aluceo</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your remarks buddies; Aluceo reposting with paragraphs!

&lt;strong&gt;WHY THE CHENEYS WON’T LEAVE THE SCENE: A QUESTION OF JOURNALISTIC DEONTOLOGY!&lt;/strong&gt;

The recent appearances of the Cheneys over the media as a credible political opponent on par to the Obama administration&#039;s policies and stances raises an issue of journalistic deontology! This is definitely of artificial making. 

On the one hand, we&#039;ve got a legitimately elected President of the United States who has undergone the rigorous electoral process having to make his case to the American people and coming out successful in eliciting the policies he intends to carry out during his mandate within the confines of the American political institutional structure and process. 

On the other hand, we&#039;ve got political personae (the Cheneys) who are effectively being presented by the media as a legitimate opponent on par to the Obama administration whereas they do not bear any electoral mandate whatsoever for the political views they profer and with no consequent responsiblity, stake and risk that will arise from any such mandate while the President is tied to them. 

The latest case in point, is Liz Cheney&#039;s appearance on the Scarborough Show with her critical and undermining views of the President presented in effect as critical views to the Obama speech delivered in Egypt under the disguise of expressing her opinions. 

For comments/expressions of opinion on the President&#039;s policies, her views as well as those of her father have been given such a broad artificial reception by the media that runs very contrary to the expression of opinion as we&#039;ve come to know it. These views are rather given almost the same weight and placed on par as the political stances of a legitimately elected president with a legitimate mandate for the policies he is undertaking while the Cheney&#039;s hold no such legitimate mandate and with no accompanying political accountability whatsoever. 

The issue here is that such attitude by the media is contrary to what we&#039;ve come to expect from normal implicit democratic rules. If the Cheneys had any pretense for policies they wished to be implemented after the Bush Administration, the solution would have simply been for Dick or Liz to run for president. Since they didn&#039;t, it is artificial for the media to strive to present them as a counterweight on par to the Obama administration&#039;s policies well beyong what will be expected for the opinion of a simple citizen that the Cheneys are now notwithstanding their previous political roles. 

And by the way, by extension is it acceptable that any citizen, no matter what self-righteous pretense they might have, to be artificially given a similar counterweight role on par with the President on any policy issues of the Obama administration while not holding any legitimate political mandate for which they will be politically accountable for their stances? It can be understandable, that the Cheneys can be of direct concern when it comes to matters of direct relation to political issues having to do with Cheney&#039;s role in the Bush administration. But to raise their views on the policies and stances the administration should take on par with the President undermines appropriate journalistic deontology because as we should all know by now &quot;elections do matter&quot;.  

What strikes the mind here is that the Cheneys have perfectly understood this &quot;naïvété&quot; of the media and are using this &quot;media confusion about fairness&quot; to artificially strive to extirpate Mr. Dick Cheney from accusations of introducing torture policies during the Bush Administration among other political accusations. Their strategy is very simple. Legally, Cheney can&#039;t make it (they know that secretly). In all courts of law, so-called EITs are definitely torture practices. Besides, the facts as we know them are overwhelmingly against him and the Bush Administration, and Dick Cheney&#039;s contradictions are extensive. 

The real strategy of the Cheney&#039;s here is totally otherly: turn it &quot;political&quot;. First, saying torture works and was for the good of the country should elicit the fervour of many Americans. Afterall, all what is needed is that a substantial number of Americans polled buy to this argument, and then the issue’s legal underpinning may be undermined. 

Secondly, posing artificially as the right wing counterweight to the Obama&#039;s administration policies elicits the impression and fervour in some quarters particularly to the right that he is making the President moderate and thus he is political useful. A look at this second political trick shows how the media has effectively been manipulated: knowing fairly well that in his administrative role the President will have to take practical and pragmatic postures with respect to the release of photos of abused detainees as well as on other policies, all what Dick simply have to do is to posit that he is against releasing the pictures and pretend to take critical policy issues postures on the right, making him seemingly a moderating influence on the President. 

Thirdly, the Cheneys simply have to claim that Obama is following the Bush Administration’s policies he criticized pointing to his strategies in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo. In this case too, the media is manipulated as they ignore the fact that the Obama administration does not have the luxury of starting from scratch as Bush had on all these issues but rather adopts a “course correction strategy” of the situations to bring them as close as possible to what he advocates. 

The fact is that, the underlying strategy of Dick and her daughter is to make this three steps political trick extirpate Dick from the accusations levied against the former administration. The sad thing is that the media is &quot;naïvely&quot; falling for these political tricks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your remarks buddies; Aluceo reposting with paragraphs!</p>
<p><strong>WHY THE CHENEYS WON’T LEAVE THE SCENE: A QUESTION OF JOURNALISTIC DEONTOLOGY!</strong></p>
<p>The recent appearances of the Cheneys over the media as a credible political opponent on par to the Obama administration&#8217;s policies and stances raises an issue of journalistic deontology! This is definitely of artificial making. </p>
<p>On the one hand, we&#8217;ve got a legitimately elected President of the United States who has undergone the rigorous electoral process having to make his case to the American people and coming out successful in eliciting the policies he intends to carry out during his mandate within the confines of the American political institutional structure and process. </p>
<p>On the other hand, we&#8217;ve got political personae (the Cheneys) who are effectively being presented by the media as a legitimate opponent on par to the Obama administration whereas they do not bear any electoral mandate whatsoever for the political views they profer and with no consequent responsiblity, stake and risk that will arise from any such mandate while the President is tied to them. </p>
<p>The latest case in point, is Liz Cheney&#8217;s appearance on the Scarborough Show with her critical and undermining views of the President presented in effect as critical views to the Obama speech delivered in Egypt under the disguise of expressing her opinions. </p>
<p>For comments/expressions of opinion on the President&#8217;s policies, her views as well as those of her father have been given such a broad artificial reception by the media that runs very contrary to the expression of opinion as we&#8217;ve come to know it. These views are rather given almost the same weight and placed on par as the political stances of a legitimately elected president with a legitimate mandate for the policies he is undertaking while the Cheney&#8217;s hold no such legitimate mandate and with no accompanying political accountability whatsoever. </p>
<p>The issue here is that such attitude by the media is contrary to what we&#8217;ve come to expect from normal implicit democratic rules. If the Cheneys had any pretense for policies they wished to be implemented after the Bush Administration, the solution would have simply been for Dick or Liz to run for president. Since they didn&#8217;t, it is artificial for the media to strive to present them as a counterweight on par to the Obama administration&#8217;s policies well beyong what will be expected for the opinion of a simple citizen that the Cheneys are now notwithstanding their previous political roles. </p>
<p>And by the way, by extension is it acceptable that any citizen, no matter what self-righteous pretense they might have, to be artificially given a similar counterweight role on par with the President on any policy issues of the Obama administration while not holding any legitimate political mandate for which they will be politically accountable for their stances? It can be understandable, that the Cheneys can be of direct concern when it comes to matters of direct relation to political issues having to do with Cheney&#8217;s role in the Bush administration. But to raise their views on the policies and stances the administration should take on par with the President undermines appropriate journalistic deontology because as we should all know by now &#8220;elections do matter&#8221;.  </p>
<p>What strikes the mind here is that the Cheneys have perfectly understood this &#8220;naïvété&#8221; of the media and are using this &#8220;media confusion about fairness&#8221; to artificially strive to extirpate Mr. Dick Cheney from accusations of introducing torture policies during the Bush Administration among other political accusations. Their strategy is very simple. Legally, Cheney can&#8217;t make it (they know that secretly). In all courts of law, so-called EITs are definitely torture practices. Besides, the facts as we know them are overwhelmingly against him and the Bush Administration, and Dick Cheney&#8217;s contradictions are extensive. </p>
<p>The real strategy of the Cheney&#8217;s here is totally otherly: turn it &#8220;political&#8221;. First, saying torture works and was for the good of the country should elicit the fervour of many Americans. Afterall, all what is needed is that a substantial number of Americans polled buy to this argument, and then the issue’s legal underpinning may be undermined. </p>
<p>Secondly, posing artificially as the right wing counterweight to the Obama&#8217;s administration policies elicits the impression and fervour in some quarters particularly to the right that he is making the President moderate and thus he is political useful. A look at this second political trick shows how the media has effectively been manipulated: knowing fairly well that in his administrative role the President will have to take practical and pragmatic postures with respect to the release of photos of abused detainees as well as on other policies, all what Dick simply have to do is to posit that he is against releasing the pictures and pretend to take critical policy issues postures on the right, making him seemingly a moderating influence on the President. </p>
<p>Thirdly, the Cheneys simply have to claim that Obama is following the Bush Administration’s policies he criticized pointing to his strategies in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo. In this case too, the media is manipulated as they ignore the fact that the Obama administration does not have the luxury of starting from scratch as Bush had on all these issues but rather adopts a “course correction strategy” of the situations to bring them as close as possible to what he advocates. </p>
<p>The fact is that, the underlying strategy of Dick and her daughter is to make this three steps political trick extirpate Dick from the accusations levied against the former administration. The sad thing is that the media is &#8220;naïvely&#8221; falling for these political tricks!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5677151', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 16:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 08:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Wang111</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 05:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of George W. Bush:

On June 10, 2009, “THE DISSEMINATING MACHINE” will start to disseminate thousands of copies of the post indicated below onto the Internet at lightning-like speed. By the end of June, one will be able to go to Google, type “George W. Bush continuously criminally stalked Margie Schoedinger to the point that she could not get away from it, and she committed suicide in desperation to escape: he murdered her,” hit “Enter,” and find 1,000 or more copies indicating content of the post indicated below. If not—it would only be because the name “George W. Bush” has become substantially less popular on the Internet, and searches relating to “George W. Bush” would thus have turned up less results.

EMERGENCY! EMERGENCY! EMERGENCY!

NOTICE! NOTICE! NOTICE!

If anyone believes that any non-Jewish Caucasian U.S. president within the next few decades has murdered any racial minority in the disgusting way George W. Bush murdered Margie Schoedinger, please contact “THE DISSEMINATING MACHINE” immediately (by leaving one’s complaint at http://andrewyu-jenwang.blogspot.com/2009/01/online-anti-bush-educational-scholastic.html “Post a Comment”), and “THE DISSEMINATING MACHINE” will disseminate thousands of copies of the relevant scandalous presidential information onto the Internet at lightning-like speed (including worldwide dissemination into numerous foreign countries if necessary—in the case that any non-Jewish Caucasian U.S. president has murdered “NUMEROUS” racial minorities in the way George W. Bush murdered Margie Schoedinger, AND the murders can be proved). The lovely, beautiful, and great countries of Russia and China are always by default informed of whatever scandalous presidential information—thousands of copies (general dissemination onto the Russian and Chinese Internet, dissemination into Russian and Chinese legislative and executive government units, Russian and Chinese national-security government units, Russian and Chinese federal police units, etc.). Copies in Russia and China (general foreign Internet dissemination) shall indicate that the presidents of Russia and China are to be immediately informed of the information relating to scandal(s).

COPY OF POST OF JUNE 2009:

SCANDAL! SCANDAL! SCANDAL!

EMERGENCY! EMERGENCY! EMERGENCY!

George W. Bush continuously criminally stalked Margie Schoedinger to the point that she could not get away from it, and she committed suicide in desperation to escape: he murdered her.

“In her suit [against George W. Bush], Margie Schoedinger states that George W. Bush committed sexual crimes against her, organized harassment and moral pressure on her, her family members and close relatives and friends. As Schoedinger said, she was strongly recommended to keep her mouth shut. In addition to that, three unknown men attempted to kidnap her on October 26, 2000. . . . Furthermore, she alleges that George Bush ordered to show pressure on her to the point, when she commits suicide” (http://www.drizzten.com/blog/2002/12/).

“One of those very least were George Bush’s personal complicity in the death (murder to be precise) of my friend Margie Schoedinger in September of 2003” (Leola McConnell (Nevada Progressive Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate in 2010). http://leolaforussenate.blogspot.com/2008/02/leola-mcconnell-for-us-senate.html).

Leola McConnell is correct: George W. Bush applying pressure (continuously criminally stalking Margie Schoedinger) purposefully to force Margie Schoedinger to commit suicide does in fact constitute murder.

George W. Bush is a racist hate criminal and hates black people (indicated at andrewyu-jenwang.blogspot.com).

BEWARE: If the president of the United States hates one for whatever reasons, he can continuously criminally stalk one to the point that one cannot get away from it, and one ultimately commits suicide in desperation to escape—he can murder people in this way.

George W. Bush is getting away with his murder of Margie Schoedinger—with no sheriff, court, or prosecutor to uphold the rule of law.

George W. Bush’s method of murdering Margie Schoedinger cannot exist in a vacuum: he must have murdered other people in the same way.

George W. Bush should confess, come out with the names of all of the people whom he murdered in the disgusting way he murdered Margie Schoedinger, undergo execution, and accordingly find himself at the intersection where he would be free.

(There are thousands of copies of the information above on the Internet. It exists very extensively in all major search engines. Please feel free to go to any major search engine, type “George W. Bush continuously criminally stalked Margie Schoedinger to the point that she could not get away from it, and she committed suicide in desperation to escape: he murdered her,” and hit “Enter.”)
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Andrew Yu-Jen Wang
(a.k.a. “THE DISSEMINATING MACHINE”)
B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996
Messiah College, Grantham, PA
Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of George W. Bush:</p>
<p>On June 10, 2009, “THE DISSEMINATING MACHINE” will start to disseminate thousands of copies of the post indicated below onto the Internet at lightning-like speed. By the end of June, one will be able to go to Google, type “George W. Bush continuously criminally stalked Margie Schoedinger to the point that she could not get away from it, and she committed suicide in desperation to escape: he murdered her,” hit “Enter,” and find 1,000 or more copies indicating content of the post indicated below. If not—it would only be because the name “George W. Bush” has become substantially less popular on the Internet, and searches relating to “George W. Bush” would thus have turned up less results.</p>
<p>EMERGENCY! EMERGENCY! EMERGENCY!</p>
<p>NOTICE! NOTICE! NOTICE!</p>
<p>If anyone believes that any non-Jewish Caucasian U.S. president within the next few decades has murdered any racial minority in the disgusting way George W. Bush murdered Margie Schoedinger, please contact “THE DISSEMINATING MACHINE” immediately (by leaving one’s complaint at <a href="http://andrewyu-jenwang.blogspot.com/2009/01/online-anti-bush-educational-scholastic.html" rel="nofollow">http://andrewyu-jenwang.blogspot.com/2009/01/online-anti-bush-educational-scholastic.html</a> “Post a Comment”), and “THE DISSEMINATING MACHINE” will disseminate thousands of copies of the relevant scandalous presidential information onto the Internet at lightning-like speed (including worldwide dissemination into numerous foreign countries if necessary—in the case that any non-Jewish Caucasian U.S. president has murdered “NUMEROUS” racial minorities in the way George W. Bush murdered Margie Schoedinger, AND the murders can be proved). The lovely, beautiful, and great countries of Russia and China are always by default informed of whatever scandalous presidential information—thousands of copies (general dissemination onto the Russian and Chinese Internet, dissemination into Russian and Chinese legislative and executive government units, Russian and Chinese national-security government units, Russian and Chinese federal police units, etc.). Copies in Russia and China (general foreign Internet dissemination) shall indicate that the presidents of Russia and China are to be immediately informed of the information relating to scandal(s).</p>
<p>COPY OF POST OF JUNE 2009:</p>
<p>SCANDAL! SCANDAL! SCANDAL!</p>
<p>EMERGENCY! EMERGENCY! EMERGENCY!</p>
<p>George W. Bush continuously criminally stalked Margie Schoedinger to the point that she could not get away from it, and she committed suicide in desperation to escape: he murdered her.</p>
<p>“In her suit [against George W. Bush], Margie Schoedinger states that George W. Bush committed sexual crimes against her, organized harassment and moral pressure on her, her family members and close relatives and friends. As Schoedinger said, she was strongly recommended to keep her mouth shut. In addition to that, three unknown men attempted to kidnap her on October 26, 2000. . . . Furthermore, she alleges that George Bush ordered to show pressure on her to the point, when she commits suicide” (<a href="http://www.drizzten.com/blog/2002/12/)" rel="nofollow">http://www.drizzten.com/blog/2002/12/)</a>.</p>
<p>“One of those very least were George Bush’s personal complicity in the death (murder to be precise) of my friend Margie Schoedinger in September of 2003” (Leola McConnell (Nevada Progressive Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate in 2010). <a href="http://leolaforussenate.blogspot.com/2008/02/leola-mcconnell-for-us-senate.html)" rel="nofollow">http://leolaforussenate.blogspot.com/2008/02/leola-mcconnell-for-us-senate.html)</a>.</p>
<p>Leola McConnell is correct: George W. Bush applying pressure (continuously criminally stalking Margie Schoedinger) purposefully to force Margie Schoedinger to commit suicide does in fact constitute murder.</p>
<p>George W. Bush is a racist hate criminal and hates black people (indicated at andrewyu-jenwang.blogspot.com).</p>
<p>BEWARE: If the president of the United States hates one for whatever reasons, he can continuously criminally stalk one to the point that one cannot get away from it, and one ultimately commits suicide in desperation to escape—he can murder people in this way.</p>
<p>George W. Bush is getting away with his murder of Margie Schoedinger—with no sheriff, court, or prosecutor to uphold the rule of law.</p>
<p>George W. Bush’s method of murdering Margie Schoedinger cannot exist in a vacuum: he must have murdered other people in the same way.</p>
<p>George W. Bush should confess, come out with the names of all of the people whom he murdered in the disgusting way he murdered Margie Schoedinger, undergo execution, and accordingly find himself at the intersection where he would be free.</p>
<p>(There are thousands of copies of the information above on the Internet. It exists very extensively in all major search engines. Please feel free to go to any major search engine, type “George W. Bush continuously criminally stalked Margie Schoedinger to the point that she could not get away from it, and she committed suicide in desperation to escape: he murdered her,” and hit “Enter.”)<br />
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Andrew Yu-Jen Wang<br />
(a.k.a. “THE DISSEMINATING MACHINE”)<br />
B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996<br />
Messiah College, Grantham, PA<br />
Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5674378', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Robt</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/04/cheney-settlement-expansion/comment-page-4/#comment-5674372</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 05:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bush era road map for peace?

Is that like the Cheney torture retirement home for seniors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bush era road map for peace?</p>
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		<title>By: aluceo</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 03:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHY THE CHENEYS WON&#039;T LEAVE THE SCENE: A QUESTION OF JOURNALISTIC DEONTOLOGY!
The recent appearances of the Cheneys over the media as a credible political opponent on par to the Obama administration&#039;s policies and stances raises an issue of journalistic deontology! This is definitely of artificial making. On the one hand, we&#039;ve got a legitimately elected President of the United States who has undergone the rigorous electoral process having to make his case to the American people and coming out successful in eliciting the policies he intends to carry out during his mandate within the confines of the American political institutional structure and process. On the other hand, we&#039;ve got political personae (the Cheneys) who are effectively being presented by the media as a legitimate opponent on par to the Obama administration whereas they do not bear any electoral mandate whatsoever for the political views they profer and with no consequent responsiblity, stake and risk that will arise from any such mandate while the President is tied to them. 
The latest case in point, is Liz Cheney&#039;s appearance on the Scarborough Show with her critical and undermining views of the President presented in effect as critical views to the Obama speech delivered in Egypt under the disguise of expressing her opinions. For comments/expressions of opinion on the President&#039;s policies, her views as well as those of her father have been given such a broad artificial reception by the media that runs very contrary to the expression of opinion as we&#039;ve come to know it. These views are rather given almost the same weight and placed on par as the political stances of a legitimately elected president with a legitimate mandate for the policies he is undertaking while the Cheney&#039;s hold no such legitimate mandate and with no accompanying political accountability whatsoever. The issue here is that such attitude by the media is contrary to what we&#039;ve come to expect from normal implicit democratic rules. If the Cheneys had any pretense for policies they wished to be implemented after the Bush Administration, the solution would have simply been for Dick or Liz to run for president. Since they didn&#039;t, it is artificial for the media to strive to present them as a counterweight on par to the Obama administration&#039;s policies well beyong what will be expected for the opinion of a simple citizen that the Cheneys are now notwithstanding their previous political roles. And by the way, by extension is it acceptable that any citizen, no matter what self-righteous pretense they might have, to be artificially given a similar counterweight role on par with the President on any policy issues of the Obama administration while not holding any legitimate political mandate for which they will be politically accountable for their stances? It can be understandable, that the Cheneys can be of direct concern when it comes to matters of direct relation to political issues having to do with Cheney&#039;s role in the Bush administration. But to raise their views on the policies and stances the administration should take on par with the President undermines appropriate journalistic deontology because as we should all know by now &quot;elections do matter&quot;.  
What strikes the mind here is that the Cheneys have perfectly understood this &quot;naïvété&quot; of the media and are using this &quot;media confusion about fairness&quot; to artificially strive to extirpate Mr. Dick Cheney from accusations of introducing torture policies during the Bush Administration among other political accusations. Their strategy is very simple. Legally, Cheney can&#039;t make it (they know that secretly). In all courts of law, so-called EITs are definitely torture practices. Besides, the facts as we know them are overwhelmingly against him and the Bush Administration, and Dick Cheney&#039;s contradictions are extensive. The real strategy of the Cheney&#039;s here is totally otherly: turn it &quot;political&quot;. First, saying torture works and was for the good of the country should elicit the fervour of many Americans. Afterall, all what is needed is that a substantial number of Americans polled buy to this argument, and then the issue’s legal underpinning may be undermined. Secondly, posing artificially as the right wing counterweight to the Obama&#039;s administration policies elicits the impression and fervour in some quarters particularly to the right that he is making the President moderate and thus he is political useful. A look at this second political trick shows how the media has effectively been manipulated: knowing fairly well that in his administrative role the President will have to take practical and pragmatic postures with respect to the release of photos of abused detainees as well as on other policies, all what Dick simply have to do is to posit that he is against releasing the pictures and pretend to take critical policy issues postures on the right, making him seemingly a moderating influence on the President. Thirdly, the Cheneys simply have to claim that Obama is following the Bush Administration’s policies he criticized pointing to his strategies in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo. In this case too, the media is manipulated as they ignore the fact that the Obama administration does not have the luxury of starting from scratch as Bush had on all these issues but rather adopts a “course correction strategy” of the situations to bring them as close as possible to what he advocates. The fact is that, the underlying strategy of Dick and her daughter is to make this three steps political trick extirpate Dick from the accusations levied against the former administration. The sad thing is that the media is &quot;naïvely&quot; falling for these political tricks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHY THE CHENEYS WON&#8217;T LEAVE THE SCENE: A QUESTION OF JOURNALISTIC DEONTOLOGY!<br />
The recent appearances of the Cheneys over the media as a credible political opponent on par to the Obama administration&#8217;s policies and stances raises an issue of journalistic deontology! This is definitely of artificial making. On the one hand, we&#8217;ve got a legitimately elected President of the United States who has undergone the rigorous electoral process having to make his case to the American people and coming out successful in eliciting the policies he intends to carry out during his mandate within the confines of the American political institutional structure and process. On the other hand, we&#8217;ve got political personae (the Cheneys) who are effectively being presented by the media as a legitimate opponent on par to the Obama administration whereas they do not bear any electoral mandate whatsoever for the political views they profer and with no consequent responsiblity, stake and risk that will arise from any such mandate while the President is tied to them.<br />
The latest case in point, is Liz Cheney&#8217;s appearance on the Scarborough Show with her critical and undermining views of the President presented in effect as critical views to the Obama speech delivered in Egypt under the disguise of expressing her opinions. For comments/expressions of opinion on the President&#8217;s policies, her views as well as those of her father have been given such a broad artificial reception by the media that runs very contrary to the expression of opinion as we&#8217;ve come to know it. These views are rather given almost the same weight and placed on par as the political stances of a legitimately elected president with a legitimate mandate for the policies he is undertaking while the Cheney&#8217;s hold no such legitimate mandate and with no accompanying political accountability whatsoever. The issue here is that such attitude by the media is contrary to what we&#8217;ve come to expect from normal implicit democratic rules. If the Cheneys had any pretense for policies they wished to be implemented after the Bush Administration, the solution would have simply been for Dick or Liz to run for president. Since they didn&#8217;t, it is artificial for the media to strive to present them as a counterweight on par to the Obama administration&#8217;s policies well beyong what will be expected for the opinion of a simple citizen that the Cheneys are now notwithstanding their previous political roles. And by the way, by extension is it acceptable that any citizen, no matter what self-righteous pretense they might have, to be artificially given a similar counterweight role on par with the President on any policy issues of the Obama administration while not holding any legitimate political mandate for which they will be politically accountable for their stances? It can be understandable, that the Cheneys can be of direct concern when it comes to matters of direct relation to political issues having to do with Cheney&#8217;s role in the Bush administration. But to raise their views on the policies and stances the administration should take on par with the President undermines appropriate journalistic deontology because as we should all know by now &#8220;elections do matter&#8221;.<br />
What strikes the mind here is that the Cheneys have perfectly understood this &#8220;naïvété&#8221; of the media and are using this &#8220;media confusion about fairness&#8221; to artificially strive to extirpate Mr. Dick Cheney from accusations of introducing torture policies during the Bush Administration among other political accusations. Their strategy is very simple. Legally, Cheney can&#8217;t make it (they know that secretly). In all courts of law, so-called EITs are definitely torture practices. Besides, the facts as we know them are overwhelmingly against him and the Bush Administration, and Dick Cheney&#8217;s contradictions are extensive. The real strategy of the Cheney&#8217;s here is totally otherly: turn it &#8220;political&#8221;. First, saying torture works and was for the good of the country should elicit the fervour of many Americans. Afterall, all what is needed is that a substantial number of Americans polled buy to this argument, and then the issue’s legal underpinning may be undermined. Secondly, posing artificially as the right wing counterweight to the Obama&#8217;s administration policies elicits the impression and fervour in some quarters particularly to the right that he is making the President moderate and thus he is political useful. A look at this second political trick shows how the media has effectively been manipulated: knowing fairly well that in his administrative role the President will have to take practical and pragmatic postures with respect to the release of photos of abused detainees as well as on other policies, all what Dick simply have to do is to posit that he is against releasing the pictures and pretend to take critical policy issues postures on the right, making him seemingly a moderating influence on the President. Thirdly, the Cheneys simply have to claim that Obama is following the Bush Administration’s policies he criticized pointing to his strategies in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo. In this case too, the media is manipulated as they ignore the fact that the Obama administration does not have the luxury of starting from scratch as Bush had on all these issues but rather adopts a “course correction strategy” of the situations to bring them as close as possible to what he advocates. The fact is that, the underlying strategy of Dick and her daughter is to make this three steps political trick extirpate Dick from the accusations levied against the former administration. The sad thing is that the media is &#8220;naïvely&#8221; falling for these political tricks!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5674197', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Moderate Squad</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/04/cheney-settlement-expansion/comment-page-4/#comment-5674028</link>
		<dc:creator>The Moderate Squad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes I wonder if, in an effort to be seen as impartial, the media goes too far - like presenting an unbalanced person like Liz Cheney as proof of (ironically) balance. Although she was in a position to know, clearly she does not know - or just as likely, does not care - what is actually contained in the agreement about which she portrays herself as an expert. It&#039;s time the MSM stopped giving an appearance of credibility to people who have so clearly and so frequently been discredited. Here&#039;s a rule of thumb for MSNBC - if your guest appeared on O&#039;Reilly and didn&#039;t get shouted down, he/she is probably full of sh!t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I wonder if, in an effort to be seen as impartial, the media goes too far &#8211; like presenting an unbalanced person like Liz Cheney as proof of (ironically) balance. Although she was in a position to know, clearly she does not know &#8211; or just as likely, does not care &#8211; what is actually contained in the agreement about which she portrays herself as an expert. It&#8217;s time the MSM stopped giving an appearance of credibility to people who have so clearly and so frequently been discredited. Here&#8217;s a rule of thumb for MSNBC &#8211; if your guest appeared on O&#8217;Reilly and didn&#8217;t get shouted down, he/she is probably full of sh!t.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5674028', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: obama-biden2009</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/04/cheney-settlement-expansion/comment-page-4/#comment-5672991</link>
		<dc:creator>obama-biden2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;I think I seeith a forked tongue on Lizard Cheney.  Doesn&#039;t she &quot;slither&quot; from network to network with her deadly and treasonis slime?&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>I think I seeith a forked tongue on Lizard Cheney.  Doesn&#8217;t she &#8220;slither&#8221; from network to network with her deadly and treasonis slime?</strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5672991', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: GRiLL</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/04/cheney-settlement-expansion/comment-page-4/#comment-5672597</link>
		<dc:creator>GRiLL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: GRiLL</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Whenwillthisnightmareend</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that continues to amaze me is the attitude demonstrated by these &quot;republicans&quot;.  They always seem to come from the belief, undamped from losing any election, that they are the rightful governing body in this country, and it&#039;s still &quot;our way or the highway&quot;.  

Let&#039;s get real, who really gives a sh*t what George Bush agreed to; he didn&#039;t care even to accept bipartisan Treaty agreements like antiballistic missle agreements, conventions against torture, or even the Geneva conventions.  Why should anyone respect anything that the Bush administration did, especially in view of the utter disaster they conferred on the nation and the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that continues to amaze me is the attitude demonstrated by these &#8220;republicans&#8221;.  They always seem to come from the belief, undamped from losing any election, that they are the rightful governing body in this country, and it&#8217;s still &#8220;our way or the highway&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get real, who really gives a sh*t what George Bush agreed to; he didn&#8217;t care even to accept bipartisan Treaty agreements like antiballistic missle agreements, conventions against torture, or even the Geneva conventions.  Why should anyone respect anything that the Bush administration did, especially in view of the utter disaster they conferred on the nation and the world.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5672529', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Rodeskawler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodeskawler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bush Era roadmap for peace?  You mean all that peace we ended up with when the Bush regime stepped down?

I am not sure when aggressive, militant imperialism became the model for peace, but it appears that Obama doesn&#039;t think Israel should continue to prosecute such an agenda while being able to lie about it publicly.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.  Thou shalt not kill.  Thou shalt not steal.

By the way, it was the Israeli ancestors that told the world these were God&#039;s commandments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bush Era roadmap for peace?  You mean all that peace we ended up with when the Bush regime stepped down?</p>
<p>I am not sure when aggressive, militant imperialism became the model for peace, but it appears that Obama doesn&#8217;t think Israel should continue to prosecute such an agenda while being able to lie about it publicly.</p>
<p>Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.  Thou shalt not kill.  Thou shalt not steal.</p>
<p>By the way, it was the Israeli ancestors that told the world these were God&#8217;s commandments.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5672524', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: cdwriteme</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdwriteme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, like most folks on here, know right-wingers lik Liz Cheney promote hate, are corporatatic more than patriotic, constantly distort the truth or outright lie, etc...

Still, as long as the news media keeps playing their messages over and over again without confronting the accuracy of their claims, their propaganda will continue to advance their corrupt causes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, like most folks on here, know right-wingers lik Liz Cheney promote hate, are corporatatic more than patriotic, constantly distort the truth or outright lie, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>Still, as long as the news media keeps playing their messages over and over again without confronting the accuracy of their claims, their propaganda will continue to advance their corrupt causes.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5672500', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ape-Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ape-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheneys, bushs, and bin ladens are best friends.  Remember when cheney gave bin laden a lift home on 9/12?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheneys, bushs, and bin ladens are best friends.  Remember when cheney gave bin laden a lift home on 9/12?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5672499', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: donmyers</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the cheney comments simply keeps us from the task - I think we should be seriously debating the elementary approach of a two state solution. It&#039;s simply trying to keep two religious factions in power at the same time. Create a government not based on religion - keep it secular and join the people and establish a government that provides for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the cheney comments simply keeps us from the task &#8211; I think we should be seriously debating the elementary approach of a two state solution. It&#8217;s simply trying to keep two religious factions in power at the same time. Create a government not based on religion &#8211; keep it secular and join the people and establish a government that provides for all.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5672488', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Robt</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Liz continues to desire serving her country in some manner.

May I suggest joining the military and serving in Iraq or Afganistan.  She could actually serve her country where it needs her the most right now.  Her daddy Dick, failed at this with 5 deferments because he had better things to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Liz continues to desire serving her country in some manner.</p>
<p>May I suggest joining the military and serving in Iraq or Afganistan.  She could actually serve her country where it needs her the most right now.  Her daddy Dick, failed at this with 5 deferments because he had better things to do.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5672479', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: wiley</title>
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		<dc:creator>wiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 06:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having an ocean between us and the mother country certainly helped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having an ocean between us and the mother country certainly helped.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5672449', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ElBruce</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 06:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Daddy-O Says:

Oh, man...I guess I&#039;m nearly as terminally skeptical as this thought here, but...I still have to give the U.S. of A. a mention on your list there.&lt;/em&gt;

Ha, yeah.  That&#039;s the one.  But trying to think of any other just underscores what a miracle our founding fathers pulled off.  Sometimes you just have to stand in awe of it.</description>
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<p>Oh, man&#8230;I guess I&#8217;m nearly as terminally skeptical as this thought here, but&#8230;I still have to give the U.S. of A. a mention on your list there.</em></p>
<p>Ha, yeah.  That&#8217;s the one.  But trying to think of any other just underscores what a miracle our founding fathers pulled off.  Sometimes you just have to stand in awe of it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5672434', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Daddy-O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daddy-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;ElBruce&lt;/i&gt; sed:

&quot;But I still doubt if a revolutionary and/or resistance movement can evolve into a responsible governing entity without leading to catastrophe. I&#039;m trying to think of an example from history, and I&#039;m drawing a blank.&quot;

Oh, man...I guess I&#039;m nearly as terminally skeptical as this thought here, but...I still have to give the U.S. of A. a mention on your list there. 

Empires collapse...but our beginning was better than most. And with folks like us, we can claim it back. Matter of fact...maybe I&#039;m not as skeptical as I thought.</description>
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<p>&#8220;But I still doubt if a revolutionary and/or resistance movement can evolve into a responsible governing entity without leading to catastrophe. I&#8217;m trying to think of an example from history, and I&#8217;m drawing a blank.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, man&#8230;I guess I&#8217;m nearly as terminally skeptical as this thought here, but&#8230;I still have to give the U.S. of A. a mention on your list there. </p>
<p>Empires collapse&#8230;but our beginning was better than most. And with folks like us, we can claim it back. Matter of fact&#8230;maybe I&#8217;m not as skeptical as I thought.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5672393', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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