Only in your little mind are you mopping the floor with anyone!

What was said WAS racist, as Sotomayer said that a LATINA, by virtue of being LATINA, can make better decisions than a WHITE male. That’s what she said! So it was actually racist AND sexist. She said many other things but on the point of race she was quite specific and clear.

You seem to know a lot about Rush Limbaugh, maybe you get your anti-talking points from him so you know how to think?

Hispanic is not a racial term, it is a linguistic distinction.
The people in former Spanish colonies are “Hispanic” only in the same sense that the people in the former British colonies are “English” because we speak the language. Like Latino, it is a hereditary descriptor related to the colonial origins of Latin American nationalities.

Puerto Rican is not a race, it is a nationality conveyed to those who originate from the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. The ethnic breakdown of the Puerto Rican population includes a wide variety of white European, black Africans, and indigenous Native American groups (exactly like the US, actually). Genetic research shows that 70% of the population inherited Y-chromosome DNA from a male European ancestor, 20% from a male African ancestor, and less than 10% from a male Amerindian ancestor. 80% of Puerto Ricans self-identify as white… and why shouldn’t they? Spain, by far the single largest ethnic origin, is as white and European as the British, French, or Germans are. I’m a mutt of German and Slavic descent and my Spanish/Puerto Rican girlfriend (and Sotomayor herself, actually) is paler than I am.

We are talking about a white person racially attacking someone who, by any meaningful definition, IS WHITE. Not only that, but when you consider how racially diverse North America is, Puerto Rico is actually more homogeneously European THAN WE ARE. Why are we talking about this? Sotomayor is no more a racial minority than any Italian, Irish, Polish, German, Jewish, etc, American is.

Both Sotomayor and Gingrich should shut up about race, because neither of them know what they are talking about.

This is the point that exposes your obtuseness, Chaking. It’s clear you’ve been considering the idea of “commonality” — and people who share a CULTURE are said to have values, beliefs and customs “common” among them — and transposing the idea of “homogeneous-ness” onto it as if “commonality” and “homogeneous-ness” is one in the same.

The idea of “diversity” is at odds with “homogeneity” not “commonality.”

But talk to me again about Black culture. Run that “many Black Americans” comment by me again. Deal with the idea of CULTURE. Tell me how there can be any such thing as a CULTURE if your race aversion logic makes sense.

Cite the Yale professors that talk about American culture, European culture or any other culture and see if they are as obtuse as you are acting as if ALL people in America or Europe are supposed to exhibit American/European culture by whatever description for those cultures.

chaking: How about this statement…

How about you reconcile the statement you already made which, again, didn’t put “commonality” and “diversity” at odds with each other:

Many black americans feel certain ways and others don’t.

Cultures are more accurate the smaller they are classified in nquest.

Hmmm… Well then, you’re fighting with another one of your statements:

“They might feel more drawn to black culture…”

Notice you didn’t say Black cultureSSSSSSSssssssssssssss.
No, instead, you referred to the idea of Black culture in the singular rather than the plural and your ALL Americans this, ALL Texans that only goes to prove my point about your obtuseness.

The Yale professors comment about diversity among groups is a non-point. It’s automatically understood but because of obtuse people like you simple shit like that has to be stated. Again, you act like you don’t know what the word “commonality” means. Commonality isn’t the opposite of diversity.

This is basic stuff.

But, then it’s so entertaining.

Well, eugene, she did tie her experiences in with being a Latina woman. So although your point about it not being racist (holding that racist means feeling superior) is correct, she does appear to put a lot of weight on her race and gender. A lot of people do, it’s certainly nothing new. Normally when white people do, they’re labeled as racist, and most other races just as proud. But that’s beside the point. We all throw out the term racist too much probably. Sotomayor clearly is NOT racist. Unfortunately, for whatever reasons, she believes her race does, however, play a more than significant role in shaping her experiences. I would argue that. Actually, I would argue that you could not determine the basics of someone’s experience based solely on their race – Which I guess is different in a nuanced way.
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Except YOU like Ro are leaving out the context. It isnt like she is saying the shaping of her life and her experiences will make her a wiser judge overall rather that it GIVES her crucial experience in race and gender discrimination cases. I dont really see how that is in the least controversial.

eugene

You are really not worth my effort to type but one letter, but your stupidity must be answered.
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You are a moron. I am mopping the floor with you because you are a moron with NO ability to understand ANYTHING. I simply cannot believe how stupid you are. Case in point what you say below.

Being a Latina does NOT automatically make your life experiences ANY “richer” than anyone else in this world, white males included. There are white males who have had to struggle through their lives with 10 times the effort of Sotomayor.
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Richer. Do I really have to take you by the hand and walk you through a point like you were a retarded four year old? REALLY? No one said her experience was RICHER nor that she struggled more. Rather that as a latina woman she would have experienced the butt end of discrimination or at least seen it among her peers. MY GOD I know you are stupid but did that REALLY have to be spelled out for you. No. Even YOU arent that stupid. Rather you KNOW you got your ass handed to you so you stubbornly made ANY argument you could think of. An inconcievably STUPID argument one where you had to act even STUPIDER than any human could possibly be to AVOID the obvious point but an argument nonetheless. No human that can feed himself could be THAT clueless so you are being dishonest. You ARE stupid though.

Your little liberal brain can only function by putting people in groups. And you’ve put white males lower than Latina’s. Where would you place gay, white males? Above or below Latina’s? How does a black woman rate?
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My little liberal mind is operating well enough to mop the floor with you here. YOU are stupid. You are a punk. You are once again repeating what you were TOLD to believe. You KNOW you are too stupid to think for yourself so you flit from programmed talking point to programmed talking point. The entire argument you make is ignorant since what she said in no way PUT one racial group above another it only pointed out the OBVIOUS fact that some racial groups are more likely to EXPERIENCE DISCRIMINATION than caucasians. Is this news to you. You really are stupid. You just have no possible capability for higher brain function. So come back tomorrow and let us know what Rush has told you to think THEN.

Sorry but smarter people than you don’t assume someone, just by virtue of their race, has had a “richer” life and is therefore better qualified for ANYTHING, let alone being appointed for life to the US Supreme Court.
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And only braindead, brainwashed morons as stupid as YOU could possibly read anything about richer life experiences in the post. If you need it explained to you why since we are talking about DISCRIMINATION cases a latina MIGHT just have more experience in gender and racial discrimination then even someone as much smarter than YOU are as I am cant really dumb it down anymore than it already has been dumbed down. Sorry. You are stupid. You are a complete and utter moron and that just isnt going to change. Till the day you shuffle off this mortal coil you will remain this intellectually challenged. My GOD you are stupid

I never said the same, I used the word “similar”.

Someone has reading comprehension problems here alright, but it’s not me.

And then you go on to say (in another post):

I’m not confusing commonality with exact sameness. That’s a favorite meme of yours, however it’s not accurate.

Talk about absurd…

You aren’t really this ignorant so I’ll just assume you think I’m the enemy here and just one to refute anything I say… whatever.

I live in an area full of immigrants from all over the world. They all tell me very similar stories about their attempts at assimilation and -yes- discrimination.

But hey, feel free to think you are the only one who has ever crossed paths with immigrants.

The rest of your comments just get more absurd.

“Absurd”? Did you just discover the word?

I clearly explained how your comment about being at the conference was absurd. You’re not getting it.

Because you make no sense. You replied to my comment with a non sequitur.

My point was that I think she thinks race and gender can accurately prejudge a person’s experience.

And you thinking it doesn’t make it true. Fact is, she never said -or even suggested- that race & gender can accurately predict/prejudge anyone’s experience.

Again, someone in this thread has reading comprehension problems and it’s not me. Or perhaps you could’ve bothered reading the text of her speech -something you clearly didn’t do or you wouldn’t have been surprised by Nquest’s comment on “national origin”.

Having cultures and what I’ve been saying are not in conflict… good night

How about this statement – Many americans feel the same way and many don’t? It’s a stupid statement, just like when I said many black americans feel the same way and many don’t. It’s completely obvious and should never need to be said. The only reason it was said was because you seemed to not get it for whatever reason. It speaks nothing of having a commonality or sameness, rather it speaks only of having different views within a group.

The yale professor sotomayor cites is clearly stating that no group of people can be said to hold the same views or opinions. When Sotomayor says that being a Latina Woman grants her certain insights, you have to question what those insights might be since no group of people (latina women) hold the same or even necessarily common views or experiences.

Clearly explained, clearly laid out. It’s over. But I do love how you throw the “strawman” out there… classy. I have not been the one changing what I was arguing, you have.

“HUH???

More from the diary of the absurd and obtuse.”

And with that I’m out of here. I’ve clearly stated my case, I have a yale professor that agrees, the person you think you’re defending agrees… I’m done. You seem to be blinded by the argument aspect of this. I’m out, time to watch a movie and go to bed.

Don’t blame me for addressing your accusation that I took your statement out of context; hence me quoting your accusation before my response. A response that included your new choice of words “hip hop culture”…

Again, there can’t be anything that can be called “culture” if we follow your race aversion logic.

HUH???

More from the diary of the absurd and obtuse.

Again, you’re confusing the idea of “commonality” with total, exact sameness. That’s the only way a statement about “diversity of opinion” among a group makes any kind of point for you. But keep fighting that strawman, though. One day you’ll get him really good.

PS:

Acknowledging “commonality” and diversity are not mutually exclusive. The concepts are not at odds with each other. In fact, this statement of yours pretty much said both in the same sentence:

Many black americans feel certain ways and others don’t.

If anything, Sotomayor said “many Latinas feel certain ways” which automatically implies that “others don’t.” And I’m pretty sure “wise Latina[s]” was meant to specify a certain select group of Latinas as opposed to ALL.

- Pretel, what’s it’s telling of? You didn’t quote the whole sentence (many black americans feel certain ways and others don’t) … the “and others don’t” was rather important. And yes, if you really were comprehending what I was saying, I have no problem with her qualifying her statement with “Latin woman growing up in the Bronx” as that adds some clarity as to what experience she may be referring to. When I state a black boy living in the city, there are a lot of similarities growing up in the same neighborhoods and going to the same places etc… There will still be diversity of opinion, but it does add a lot more to the equation.

No you weren’t supposed to read my mind. I clearly stated it was a poor choice of words… what in the world is your problem? Do you really want to be right that badly?

The point is, you chose to act like Sotomayor’s statement implied “you can know someone’s experiences based on race and sex” when that’s not what she said. Her historical references alone renders your point… off the point.

That you chose not to view her statement in the “many black americans feel certain ways”, “Black culture” kind of way is telling.

You took one thing I said “Black Culture”, devoid of the context

Hmmm….

And talk to a somalian (I’m from columbus ohio which has the 2nd highest population of somali immigrants, which is why I’m using them as an example probably) and ask him if he relates to the black boy from the city the somalian immigrant is now in. Night and day difference even though they are both male and black. They might feel more drawn to black culture (just as a lot of white boys do) or not, it really depends more on the neighborhood and financial situation they find themselves in.

I guess I was supposed to read your mind and figure out that “Black culture” meant “gansta”, hip-hop culture when you made no clear references, if any at all, to music or clothing styles. Yet and still, you called it a “culture”… It’s like you missed the part where I said ANY CULTURE — i.e. there can’t be anything that can be called “culture” if we follow your race aversion logic.

Simply, we’d be so bogged down in talking about all the exceptions/differences we could never find anything that would amount to the common/general rule in terms of beliefs, customs, etc. shared.