Comments on: Hatch Peddles Luntz Talking Points, Misrepresents Kennedy’s Health Bill http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/08/hatch-luntz-tps/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:48:36 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: wiley http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/08/hatch-luntz-tps/comment-page-1/#comment-5679398 wiley Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:29:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=44442#comment-5679398 I know my client of ten years, and a couple of others who would love to work part-time, but a full-time job in which their health coverage is not guaranteed is a death sentence. I want a plan that will help the disabled out of the ghetto of SSDI, and provide insurance for people who do not qualify for Medicare. I know my client of ten years, and a couple of others who would love to work part-time, but a full-time job in which their health coverage is not guaranteed is a death sentence. I want a plan that will help the disabled out of the ghetto of SSDI, and provide insurance for people who do not qualify for Medicare.

]]> By: SJU90 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/08/hatch-luntz-tps/comment-page-1/#comment-5679391 SJU90 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:02:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=44442#comment-5679391 Effective, responsible communication of policy by the institutions of government to the mass populace is vital to a functioning democracy. Such communication ultimately assists in educatng and enlightening the electorate of complex issues. Democracy simply cannot function and is destined to fail without an educated public. It is this reality which compelled me to comment re this post. Luntz, his ilk and those who peddle his market-tested misrepresentations seriously undermine our democratic government. They foster ignorance at the expense of truth with the intent to control "policy outcome", i.e. the will of the people in a democracy. Such actions place these individuals squarely in the company of every totalitarian regime throughout history. We can only hope that the Democratic party is up to the challenge to not only communicate the truth of its policy but to bring to light the actual intent BEHIND the tactics of Luntz, et. al., to the American public. Effective, responsible communication of policy by the institutions of government to the mass populace is vital to a functioning democracy. Such communication ultimately assists in educatng and enlightening the electorate of complex issues. Democracy simply cannot function and is destined to fail without an educated public.

It is this reality which compelled me to comment re this post. Luntz, his ilk and those who peddle his market-tested misrepresentations seriously undermine our democratic government. They foster ignorance at the expense of truth with the intent to control “policy outcome”, i.e. the will of the people in a democracy. Such actions place these individuals squarely in the company of every totalitarian regime throughout history. We can only hope that the Democratic party is up to the challenge to not only communicate the truth of its policy but to bring to light the actual intent BEHIND the tactics of Luntz, et. al., to the American public.

]]> By: ElBruce http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/08/hatch-luntz-tps/comment-page-1/#comment-5679090 ElBruce Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:30:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=44442#comment-5679090 <em>texaslady Says: Uhhh, you can't fix stupid.</em> You can beat it into unconsciousness though. . <em>Romartin16985 Says: Two very good examples of liberals who just can't help insulting anyone they disagree with.</em> Fcuk off, verminous traitor. texaslady Says:

Uhhh, you can’t fix stupid.

You can beat it into unconsciousness though.

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Romartin16985 Says:

Two very good examples of liberals who just can’t help insulting anyone they disagree with.

Fcuk off, verminous traitor.

]]> By: kevsters http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/08/hatch-luntz-tps/comment-page-1/#comment-5678879 kevsters Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:56:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=44442#comment-5678879 Check out this clip of Uber-Christian, Pat Robertson slipping and saying that private health care systems couldn't compete with a government run system. Does he even realize what he said? http://progressnotcongress.org/blog/?p=1666 Check out this clip of Uber-Christian, Pat Robertson slipping and saying that private health care systems couldn’t compete with a government run system. Does he even realize what he said?

http://progressnotcongress.org/blog/?p=1666

]]> By: dasm http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/08/hatch-luntz-tps/comment-page-1/#comment-5678379 dasm Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:08:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=44442#comment-5678379 Duh-- Repubs misrepresent everything. They have no facts. Lies, dishonesty, cheating & smears-- the Repub way. Duh– Repubs misrepresent everything. They have no facts. Lies, dishonesty, cheating & smears– the Repub way.

]]> By: Hoodathunktick http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/08/hatch-luntz-tps/comment-page-1/#comment-5678268 Hoodathunktick Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:29:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=44442#comment-5678268 Double my bad, it seems the co-sponsors are at 93. Double my bad, it seems the co-sponsors are at 93.

]]> By: Hoodathunktick http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/08/hatch-luntz-tps/comment-page-1/#comment-5678261 Hoodathunktick Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:25:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=44442#comment-5678261 My bad, it seems it is 53 co-signers. The question remains, why isn't it up for vote? Because it hasn't been 'approved' by some damn committee? My bad, it seems it is 53 co-signers. The question remains, why isn’t it up for vote?

Because it hasn’t been ‘approved’ by some damn committee?

]]> By: Hoodathunktick http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/08/hatch-luntz-tps/comment-page-1/#comment-5678248 Hoodathunktick Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:18:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=44442#comment-5678248 Last I heard HR676 had 77 cosigners. Why isn't it on the floor for a vote? Last I heard HR676 had 77 cosigners. Why isn’t it on the floor for a vote?

]]> By: ElBruce http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/08/hatch-luntz-tps/comment-page-1/#comment-5678245 ElBruce Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:16:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=44442#comment-5678245 <em>kasinca Says: It is time for the Dempocratic Party to pass Single Payer and leave the wingnut senators holding their wankers, complaining about the cost.</em> It would be massively cheaper than it is now. But you know, gubmit socialist invaders and all... kasinca Says:

It is time for the Dempocratic Party to pass Single Payer and leave the wingnut senators holding their wankers, complaining about the cost.

It would be massively cheaper than it is now. But you know, gubmit socialist invaders and all…

]]> By: kasinca http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/08/hatch-luntz-tps/comment-page-1/#comment-5678172 kasinca Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:42:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=44442#comment-5678172 It is time for the Dempocratic Party to pass Single Payer and leave the wingnut senators holding their wankers, complaining about the cost. Fix healthcare in this country and scrue the wankers. It is time for the Dempocratic Party to pass Single Payer and leave the wingnut senators holding their wankers, complaining about the cost. Fix healthcare in this country and scrue the wankers.

]]> By: the freedom http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/08/hatch-luntz-tps/comment-page-1/#comment-5678160 the freedom Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:39:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=44442#comment-5678160 i do give a damn and that's why i support health care reform right here right now with a public option. i do give a damn and that’s why i support health care reform right here right now with a public option.

]]> By: nellieh http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/08/hatch-luntz-tps/comment-page-1/#comment-5678145 nellieh Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:32:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=44442#comment-5678145 When these parrots are on the Sunday morning shows opposite a pro-health care reform guest, the pro-health care person should ask. "are you sure that's what Luntz really said?" When these parrots are on the Sunday morning shows opposite a pro-health care reform guest, the pro-health care person should ask. “are you sure that’s what Luntz really said?”

]]> By: Keith http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/08/hatch-luntz-tps/comment-page-1/#comment-5678135 Keith Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:29:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=44442#comment-5678135 the freedom, for half the costs, you can have a plan with no deductible, no co-pay---includes dental, optometric, and behavioral----and covers the 47,000,000 who currently have nothing! Do you give a damn about them? Even little babies? the freedom, for half the costs, you can have a plan with no deductible, no co-pay—includes dental, optometric, and behavioral—-and covers the 47,000,000 who currently have nothing! Do you give a damn about them? Even little babies?

]]> By: Keith http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/08/hatch-luntz-tps/comment-page-1/#comment-5678110 Keith Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:20:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=44442#comment-5678110 <em>the freedom Says: since we're talking about health care will he retroactively force himself to give a damn about that woman at the bottom of the lake?</em> Do you give a damn about the 20,000 Americans who die each and every year due to lack of healthcare? Only in the US---not in any other developed country in the world. Many of these are full-time workers, but cannot afford private healthcare (which costs twice as much as any other country). the freedom Says:
since we’re talking about health care will he retroactively force himself to give a damn about that woman at the bottom of the lake?

Do you give a damn about the 20,000 Americans who die each and every year due to lack of healthcare? Only in the US—not in any other developed country in the world. Many of these are full-time workers, but cannot afford private healthcare (which costs twice as much as any other country).

]]> By: Keith http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/08/hatch-luntz-tps/comment-page-1/#comment-5678096 Keith Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:16:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=44442#comment-5678096 Conservatives did not want Social Security under FDR. They did not want universal healthcare under Truman when he wanted it, nor Nixon when he considered it, nor Carter when he considered it, nor Clinton when he tried to compromise with them. They opposed Medicare in 1965. Congressman GHW Bush called it socialized medicine. They do not want public healthcare now. They will not compromise. They will only move the goal posts and have add-ons to harm/sabotage the plans. Do not rely on their votes. Pass it without their votes. If you can't, so be it---they will have more voted out in 2010. Conservatives did not want Social Security under FDR.
They did not want universal healthcare under Truman when he wanted it, nor Nixon when he considered it, nor Carter when he considered it, nor Clinton when he tried to compromise with them. They opposed Medicare in 1965. Congressman GHW Bush called it socialized medicine. They do not want public healthcare now. They will not compromise. They will only move the goal posts and have add-ons to harm/sabotage the plans.

Do not rely on their votes. Pass it without their votes. If you can’t, so be it—they will have more voted out in 2010.

]]> By: Zimzone http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/08/hatch-luntz-tps/comment-page-1/#comment-5678082 Zimzone Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:10:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=44442#comment-5678082 Small business' biggest direct expense is health care coverage of employees. On a scale of 1:10, health care is #1, tax cuts at 7 or 8. Hatch wants free socialist health care for himself while trying to maintain the 1/2 million or so annually the insurers donate. Double standard? <em>You betcha!</em> Small business’ biggest direct expense is health care coverage of employees.

On a scale of 1:10, health care is #1, tax cuts at 7 or 8.

Hatch wants free socialist health care for himself while trying to maintain the 1/2 million or so annually the insurers donate.

Double standard? You betcha!

]]> By: blackwidow http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/08/hatch-luntz-tps/comment-page-1/#comment-5678072 blackwidow Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:07:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=44442#comment-5678072 Oh look, a Republican lying on TV. I'm shocked, shocked I say! Oh look, a Republican lying on TV.
I’m shocked, shocked I say!

]]> By: the freedom http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/08/hatch-luntz-tps/comment-page-1/#comment-5678071 the freedom Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:06:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=44442#comment-5678071 since we're talking about health care will he retroactively force himself to give a damn about that woman at the bottom of the lake? since we’re talking about health care will he retroactively force himself to give a damn about that woman at the bottom of the lake?

]]> By: ElBruce http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/08/hatch-luntz-tps/comment-page-1/#comment-5678048 ElBruce Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:56:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=44442#comment-5678048 Not to mention that the health insurance industry is acting as a leech on all other industries, depressing their profits and operations as well as causing labor rifts. A huge amount of the specific messes that many industries have found themselves in are caused or exacerbated by the fact that health care is mostly employer-based at present. Why do Republicans hate business? Not to mention that the health insurance industry is acting as a leech on all other industries, depressing their profits and operations as well as causing labor rifts. A huge amount of the specific messes that many industries have found themselves in are caused or exacerbated by the fact that health care is mostly employer-based at present.

Why do Republicans hate business?

]]> By: Pachydiplax de St. Augustine http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/08/hatch-luntz-tps/comment-page-1/#comment-5678041 Pachydiplax de St. Augustine Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:53:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=44442#comment-5678041 One would think that a political party that relishes war as policy in dealing with the rest of the world would want the healthiest population possible to provide for the military manpower needs and provide that health care from the defense budget. The same could be said for education so the military would have the smartest soldiers to fight our battles and the private companies would have the smartest engineers and technicians to develop our weapons. One would think that a political party that relishes war as policy in dealing with the rest of the world would want the healthiest population possible to provide for the military manpower needs and provide that health care from the defense budget.

The same could be said for education so the military would have the smartest soldiers to fight our battles and the private companies would have the smartest engineers and technicians to develop our weapons.

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