Tiller’s accused killer claims that more anti-abortion violence is ‘planned around the country.’
Tiller’s accused killer claims that more anti-abortion violence is ‘planned around the country.’
This past weekend, abortion providers from across the country gathered in Wichita, Kan. to attend the funeral the of Dr. George Tiller, who was murdered last month. On the same weekend, the man accused of murdering Tiller told the AP that “similar violence was planned around the nation for as long as the procedure remained legal”:
Scott Roeder called The Associated Press from the Sedgwick County jail, where he’s being held on charges of first-degree murder and aggravated assault in the shooting of Dr. George Tiller one week ago.
“I know there are many other similar events planned around the country as long as abortion remains legal,” Roeder said. When asked by the AP what he meant and if he was referring to another shooting, he refused to elaborate further.
It wasn’t clear whether Roeder knew of any impending violence or whether he was simply seeking publicity for his cause. Law enforcement authorities including the Justice Department said they didn’t know whether the threat was credible.
The Justice Department told the AP that Roeder’s “threat was being taken seriously and additional protection had been ordered for abortion clinics.” Last week, Attorney General Eric Holder dispatched U.S. Marshalls to protect “appropriate people and facilities around the nation” in the wake of Tiller’s murder.
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Tiller’s accused killer claims that more anti-abortion violence is ‘planned around the country.’
– - And yet Roeder feels now that he’s in prison he’s being “treated like a criminal.”
These people are clinical and lack any self-awareness whatsoever.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:24 amIf he was pro-choice the whackadoodles would be in favor of waterboarding him for more information.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:24 amTypical wacko fanatics, cognitive dissonance…
Pro-Choice individuals that have murdered Pro-Lifers for their beliefs… 0
Pro-Lifers that have murdered pro-choice individuals and innocent victims for their beliefs…84 and counting…
Wow
which God is it they follow again?
June 8th, 2009 at 10:29 amA key word here is “legal.”
The zealots, the christianists, the sanctimoniously self-righteous among us who think they should control everyone else with their own version of morality and humanity are anarchists. They would provide no option for women (and girls) who find themselves in untenable situations with their own lives and/or the lives of the unborn at grave risk.
As anarchists, they must be located, arrested and charged.
Anyone talking about waterboarding this murderer to learn what he knows?
June 8th, 2009 at 10:30 amAnybody here think gunning people down to show how “pro-life” they are will win any converts?
June 8th, 2009 at 10:31 am…
that picture.
the pissed off face of conservatism.
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June 8th, 2009 at 10:31 amMaybe he just needs more bran?
June 8th, 2009 at 10:33 amRoeder also complained about the “deplorable conditions” in his jail cell, complaining that it was freezing.
Be patient, Mr. Dr. Killer, there’s a very warm place in Hell waiting for you and other domestic terrorists.
We know the Kansas FBI was lax, at best, in responding to this idiot’s acts of terrorism. Now is the time to investigate Operation Rescue and other entities doing harm to good people for performing legal procedures.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:35 amwhat’s this? a warning of imminent terrorist attacks on US soil? i guess he should be renditioned and tortured in a “24″-like scenario
June 8th, 2009 at 10:35 amNow HERE’s a case where IF waterboarding WASN’T torture, it could be used to extract names and dates from this jerk.
Oh, that’s right. It doesn’t produce viable intel.
Ok, let’s use normal interrogation techniques to get names and numbers from this XiaNazi.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:35 ammisscoleopteramolly Says:
Anybody here think gunning people down to show how “pro-life” they are will win any converts?
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Sadly, i’m afraid it will. There is always a percentage of society that not only condones and encourages this type of behavior but there is an added segment that once they see one individual succeed in this type of behavior they just have to go out and emulate it…Hence the term copycat… :( sad but true :(
June 8th, 2009 at 10:36 amRoeder also complained about the “deplorable conditions” in his jail cell, complaining that it was freezing. “I started having a bad cough. I thought I was going to have pneumonia,” he said.
– - Roeder thinks he’s in the Planned Parenthood version of Tropic Thunder.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:37 amCan anybody tell me why the “life begins at conception” zealots are all about getting rid of abortionists and abortion clinics, but I don’t hear about fertility clinics getting bombed or the doctors there getting murdered?
At an abortion clinic, a life that was never intended is ended. At a fertility clinic, embryos that were created deliberately are tossed in the trash.
I suspect it’s because women who get unintentionally get pregnant are dirty and evil because they have had sex. Therefore, they should be punished. Fertility clinics are frequented by “nice” women (and their husbands) who want to have a baby.
This whole issue has far more to do with how we as a society feel about women than it does about how we feel about babies.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:39 amtypical right wing terrorist
June 8th, 2009 at 10:39 amyes miss molly, right wingers fear and loathe sex
they see pregnancy as a punishment for sex
they think a woman having an abortion is “getting away with” having sex
that pisses them off
June 8th, 2009 at 10:40 amHe is a terrorist. He and his “Christian brethren” are acting exactly as the Taliban or any other group of religious extremists. His should be prosecuted as such.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:42 amIt will all be over with soon enough Mr. Roeder. Although I doubt that it will be the ending that you evidently envisioned. How do they execute people in KS again?
June 8th, 2009 at 10:42 amLooks like Homeland Security was right about the threat of right wing terrorism in the country….
I expect retractions from Fox News by the second Tuesday of this week….
June 8th, 2009 at 10:42 amI wonder if the right wingers would advocate some forced abortions of this guys family members to get this guy to talk about this possible ticking time bomb if government officials think it will “save american lives”
June 8th, 2009 at 10:43 amIsn’t this an example of the “ticking time bomb scenario” that Rove, Herr Limpballs, O’Lielly and the Bushbots claim that waterboarding is designed to protect us from?
Calling all reichwingers — your next “enhanced interrogation techniques” victim awaits — he apparently has information relating to imminent domestic terrorism attacks, so we need you to protect us!
June 8th, 2009 at 10:44 amReligion and congress need to get the hell out of a womans uterus. Or, I should say: Religious congressmen need to get the hell out of a womans uterus.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:46 am1. Declare martial law.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:46 am2. Confiscate all guns.
3. Arrest all Republicans.
Religion just needs to get the hell out. Period.
Religion is poison.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:46 amOkay, so let’s see, they have a terrorist suspect detained and they have reason to believe he has knowledge of other imminent terrorist attacks… Why, shazam! That’s the ticking time bomb scenario! Call Jack Bauer! Where are those damn waterboards? Why isn’t the right wing calling for “enhanced” interrogation?
June 8th, 2009 at 10:47 amMr Terrorist is in a bit of a conundrum… he has set up a situation where he is in a place that he feels may make him sick – that situation is he killed a Doctor… Now what Doctor in his right mind would want to be in the same room as a Dr Killer…
Man, It really sucks when Illegal actions have consequences!
Well, I guess the Drs in Gitmo are military and have to follow orders (Illegal, Immoral or what ever) so I guess they could treat him there since it is not being closed anytime soon… He would get along well with the other terrorists there – if there are any there…
June 8th, 2009 at 10:47 amBadmoodman Says:
– Roeder thinks he’s in the Planned Parenthood version of Tropic Thunder.
Well, sh!t Badmoodman, I spit my tea!
PEACE
June 8th, 2009 at 10:48 amGee, he sure LOOKS all squared away and sounds completely sane and harmless…
NOT
June 8th, 2009 at 10:49 amWaterboard the guy — on national TV!
We can accomplish multiple goals that way…
June 8th, 2009 at 10:50 am“When asked by the AP what he meant and if he was referring to another shooting, he refused to elaborate further.”
Maybe they should send him to Gitmo. I understand they have ways to get terrorists to talk.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:50 amRoeder also complained about the “deplorable conditions” in his jail cell, complaining that it was freezing. “I started having a bad cough. I thought I was going to have pneumonia,” he said.
Bless his little heart. He doesn’t seem to understand that if would mind his own business and stop worrying about others, then he would have nothing to complain about.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:51 amCFP is still being played by his radio
June 8th, 2009 at 10:53 amThat is one angry-looking white man. If the TSA is going to do racial profiling for terrorists, I’d suggest adding people who look like Roeder to the list.
Interestingly, Roeder also looks like the love child of Rush and Newt.
PEACE
June 8th, 2009 at 10:53 amTiller is a good argument for abortion.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:55 amRoeder is a better one.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:55 amThese people are truly bad people. The fact that they use murder in place of reason stands as a monument to fanaticism. And the phony words of the nuts that run these group saying they “do not approve of what this man did,” is so much garbage.
They celebrate and pop the champagne cork when a doctor or health care worker is killed. They juice up the rhetoric year round and then try to distance themselves publicly from what they have approved. Hypocrites and liars.
None of this violence was prevalent until men began involving themselves in this issue in the late 70’s. And until the day that men’s reproductive rights are legislated, it remains a woman’s issue. Until a mans right to do as he will with his sperm is called into question, they have no business in this part of a womans life.
When has anyone ever told a man how and where to put his sperm? When has a pharmacy refused to sell condoms to a man? They have to done this with women. Is the sperm of a man not the beginning of life too? I can find dozens of doctors that claim the cells that fit on the head of a pin, is not life. That comes into being much later.
These people want all abortions outlawed. No matter what. They want a woman to go back to the back alley’s and the coat hangers and the disinfectants to end a pregnancy.
But these are the same people that refuse sex education in schools. And no matter how stupid and archaic the notion that just saying no, will end the problem, they continue with the same mind set. No matter how many pregnancies and unwanted children are brought into the world by children, they still want an abstinence only rule. And when all that continues to fail, then they murder in the name of PRO LIFE.
These are the real sinners. Not the doctors that provide a legal means of ending a pregnancy. And they celebrate murder and death. And they do it in the name of God or Jesus. They continue to force their own conscience and twisted morality on others at the most vulnerable time.
Individual rights. Their rights end where mine begin. A woman’s right to choose is as fundamental as a man’s right to choose his right to reproduce or not.
This man and others like him need to pay the highest price for the murders they condone. And I hope they do.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:57 amSo Pee favors giving fetuses 14th Amendment Rights.
Logically it would follow then that the fetus also has 1st Amendment Rights — free speech, free assembly, freedom of worship… and of course 2nd Amendment Rights.
Thus if a fetus wants to arm himself in the womb, and a mother refuses to allow it, the fetus could theoretically sue its mother-to-be in a court of law.
Presumably Pee would assign a Social Security number at conception.
Right, Pee? I mean, we do want to be logically consistent, don’t we?
Oh, wait — “logically consistent” that’s us, not you. Never mind.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:57 amPeople, we’re not the ones who waterboard people. The argument that “the other guys do it so that makes it OK for us to do it too” is a conservative one. I could stand on a mountain and pontificate about how “then you become what you hate,” but really – that’s wingnut thinking there.
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The Angry Republican Says:
which God is it they follow again?
“I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.”
– Thomas Jefferson
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Perry logan Says:
1. Declare martial law.
2. Confiscate all guns.
3. Arrest all Republicans.
It would be ironic if their continued poor behavior led to their worst fear. Maybe the other “conservatives” should be doing something about people like this so it doesn’t come to something like that. Not that it would really, but it’s something they themselves are worried about.
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RantingTommy Says:
Religion just needs to get the hell out. Period.
Religion is poison.
Like nobody’s been murdered in the name of atheism or all of the political/secular belief systems that have ever existed on the face of the Earth too?
June 8th, 2009 at 10:59 am> The issue is balance.
Something you need to be telling your side. Maybe I’m missing one, but all these kooky fetus-hugging groups I’ve seen beleive the same thing..no abortions, ever….no exception for rape/incest/life of the mother, anything. Period. So you’ll excuse us if we’re chuckling quietly or even laughing outloud when you tell us we need “balance”
June 8th, 2009 at 11:01 amWhats that buzzing sound I heard? Oh, its just CFPee hovering around the light.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:01 amElBruce, I’m not aware of anyone who has been murdered “in the name of atheism”. Can you clue me in?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:02 amCJ, poor Pee seems to be swimming against the tide of his own party.
Imagine… calling for “balance”. Heh.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:02 amC4P:
Go get a life you miserable tool. You support murder and you support anything ignorant enough to be conservative. You are the reason you wackos will continue losing elections you miserable steamy pant load.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:04 amTo be fair to Pee, kasinca, he’s not the sole reason his party will continue losing elections.
Pee’s just one small cog in a vast machine of suckitude.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:05 amOMG CFP what in the world does R Vrs W and it’s attributing statues which you don’t bother to cite…have to do with a mentally challenged individual that murdered another human being?
You just come on here to spout propaganda right?
How can you support murder?
Whether you are for or against R Vrs W doesn’t matter in the case of murdering an individual…got it?
CURRENTLY it is a LAW that as such should be enforced, protected and obeyed. IF you dissent from the law fine…petition your government for redress, which is the PROPER format for having a law changed…NOT MURDER.
Please don’t bother with your lame platitudes.
Or am I wrong folks?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:06 amRoeder also complained about the “deplorable conditions” in his jail cell, complaining that it was freezing. “I started having a bad cough. I thought I was going to have pneumonia,” he said.
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is tp mocking a prisoner contesting his conditions? if so, is their outrage reserved only for guantanamo detainees and other non-citizens?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:08 am“unintentionally pregnant” says miss molly. if you have sex then it’s a surprise to be pregnant? what else would you expect to come out it?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:09 ambut but libs he hasn’t been found guilty of anything ala the guantanamo detainees. how could is he a terrorist w/o having been convicted of anything? you’re adamant about labeling innocent the middle eastern thugs up to no good on the battlefield, but a baby killer’s killer is a terrorist to you. real smart application of the word.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:10 amI didn’t say that, El Bruce
there will always be good people that do good things
June 8th, 2009 at 11:10 amthere will always be evil people that do evil things
but to get a good person to do evil things takes religion
So… given O’Reilly’s claim that Governor Sebillius had “blood on her hands” for not stopping a doctor from performing a legal procedure, might one say that O’Reilly will have blood on his hands if Roeder’s chilling pronouncement proves true and another doctor is murdered, if O’Reilly did nothing to stop it?
I know, I’m reaching here… O’Reilly? Accountable? But still, y point stands.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:10 amYes.
Not exactly. I expect their outrage is reserved for those held in custody with no due process and no way to challenge their detention.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:11 amI see “freedom” does not understand irony or mockery
June 8th, 2009 at 11:11 am…nope, he’s still the wrong color for that.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:12 amI wonder if these Roeder guy read the same books Adkisson did.
Words have consequences — tone it down pundits.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:12 am>is tp mocking a prisoner contesting his
> conditions?
>if so, is their outrage reserved
> only for guantanamo detainees
> and other non-citizens?
I cant speak for TP but I think thier mocking him whining, I dont think anyone is saying he shouldnt be allowed to protest his conditions in court like any other prisoner..having access to courts and making fun of someone who can dish it but not take it are two different things.
Ps. hey “the freedom” do you think this guy should be treated like any other terrorist who seems likely to have information regarding an imminent attack?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:12 amObviously someone who doesn’t have a lot of experience with heterosexual relations.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:12 amthe freedom Says:
“unintentionally pregnant” says miss molly. if you have sex then it’s a surprise to be pregnant? what else would you expect to come out it?
***
you’ve never had sex,
have you?
:)
June 8th, 2009 at 11:13 amsome of us are skilled enough to have sex without causing a pregnancy
but then again, we aren’t ignorant redneck right wingers
June 8th, 2009 at 11:13 am>if you have sex then it’s a surprise to be pregnant?
As I’m a man, it would really be a surpise for me..coincidence?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:14 amThe freedom sounds like go liberty
Iggy
June 8th, 2009 at 11:15 amYou must have never had a condom break, a pill fail or had sex period…Please, do not reply, I am not interested in conversation…
June 8th, 2009 at 11:16 amNot real smart application of analogy…Please do not reply, blah, blah, blah…
June 8th, 2009 at 11:17 am> but a baby killer’s killer is a terrorist to you.
please give us your definition of terrorist?
ps. do you consider embryos “babies”? if so, do you consider the doctors at clinins who fertilize and then discard most of them to be “murderers”?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:17 amI guess, since he is a terrorist and clearly has more information, he needs to be waterboarded.
Right? It’s legal and moral, according to Pubs…
June 8th, 2009 at 11:18 amWell, Roeder, with his statements, more violence planned, has pretty much admitted guilt.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:18 amthe freedom Says
June 8th, 2009 at 11:09 am
“unintentionally pregnant” says miss molly. if you have sex then it’s a surprise to be pregnant? what else would you expect to come out it?
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Are you suggesting that only people who want to become pregnant should have sex? Lots of people have sex without wanting pregnancy — married and unmarried. And no method of birth control is fail-safe (except abstinence), although sterilization comes close.
I believe the Hare Krishna sect has a sex policy you could live with. Their members are expected to be celibate, but married couples are permitted to have sex once a month, at the optimum time for conception. Does this correspond more to your beliefs?
When I said “unintentionally pregnant”, I was differentiating between an act of sex where pregnancy was not the objective, and the deliberate fertilization of embryos that takes place in a fertility clinic.
And your pompous reaction just reinforces my point about moralists who believe women should be punished for having sex.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:20 amNo. But he has been investigated and arraigned, and is entitled to a fair and speedy trial. See, in order for someone to be found guilty of a crime under our system, one must be a suspect first, and that’s the stage at which Roeder finds himself currently. Make sense?
There’s this thing called “evidence”, you see. Eyewitness testimony. Physical evidence. It’s all par of good investigative police work according to the law. You remember that quaint old concept, right? The rule of law?
Wrong again. We’re adamant that the terrorism suspects should receive fair trials under law. If they are proven guilty, they should be subject to the penalties prescribed. If not, they should be freed. Is that too tough a concept for you?
Dr. Tiller did not “kill babies”.
His murderer DID kill a fully-formed human being and it’s likely that he did it in order to accomplish political or social ends through intimidation and violence. THAT is a terrorist.
Evidently, you wouldn’t know “smart” if it bit your nose.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:20 amThey probably believe that every sperm and every egg is a potential life and therefore no woman should ever menstruate again–since she didn’t fertilize the egg, she is committing abortion…It wouldn’t surprise me…logic is not their strong suit…
June 8th, 2009 at 11:21 amI am not condoning enhanced interrogations of Roeder what I am wondering is why the enhanced interrogation advocates havent condoned using enhanced interrogation on him since he has said more violence is planned?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:21 amGood call, X.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:22 amSounds like a “ticking time bomb” scenario to me…
June 8th, 2009 at 11:23 am> but but libs he hasn’t been found guilty
> of anything
> ala the guantanamo detainees.
Nice strawman there rube…I dont think anyone’s saying someone can’t be a terrorist until they are convicted. Its
June 8th, 2009 at 11:24 amcalled “due process”..the thing that we’re concerned about..your dear fetus-hugging terrorist will get it, people who were NOT all taken “on the battlefield” and were determined to be terrorists by the same brilliant group who “knew where saddam’s WMD’s were” wont get it..even under obama, it seems, until a court forces him to do it..
Then you people should stop letting the extremists act as the voice for your party.
You are a dick. You’ve tried this offensive line of rhetoric before and it’s been dismembered every time. And each time it makes you sound less and less like someone who desires “balance”. Maybe because the “balance” crap is empty rhetoric. You’re a dick, plain and simple, Pee.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:25 amWhat I have seen of these political activisit pro-life groups is that its a canard. They dont care about the fetus after it becomes a child..at that point they care more about how much money giving it health insurance will cost…and deny them that.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:26 amCFPee, you say abortions are used for birth control. Links? And how would any of you know why most women have abortions?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:26 am> Most Conservatives I know support balancing
> the right to
> privacy with the
> right of the state to protect the fetus
Well then you guys need to start a group or organization and not say “most I know”…which is an abstract, subjective, and, go figure, inherently unproveable claim.can you point me to the websites of some anti-abortion groups that arent blanketly against abortion in all scenarios?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:27 amConservativeForProgress Says:
Chocolate Jesus Says:
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> The issue is balance.
Something you need to be telling your side. Maybe I’m missing one, but all these kooky fetus-hugging groups I’ve seen beleive the same thing..no abortions, ever….no exception for rape/incest/life of the mother, anything. Period. So you’ll excuse us if we’re chuckling quietly or even laughing outloud when you tell us we need “balance”
June 8th, 2009 at 11:01 am
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That isn’t true CJ. Most Conservatives I know support balancing the right to privacy with the right of the state to protect the fetus, which is why most Conservatives support allowing abortion in those rare cases where rape or incest result in pregnancy (less than 1% of abortions) or when there is a serious, verified, imminent risk to the life of the mother. The problem most of us have is that what we have now is essentially abortion on demand which is often used as a method of birth control for the selfish convenience of the mother. What we have now largely ignores the second part of the Roe v. Wade equation.
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how many conservatives
do you know?
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June 8th, 2009 at 11:29 amwhile your at it, maybe you can make me a list of all the websites of all the anti-abortion groups that support some sort of sex education other than “absintence only”?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:29 am….
personally.
:)
June 8th, 2009 at 11:29 amCFP thinks abortions are convenient
still being played by his radio
wow
June 8th, 2009 at 11:30 amthe freedumb, if you can equate facilities at Gitmo with a local Kansas jail, then there’s no reason why the detainees can’t be moved to U.S. prisons, right?
MissMolly, you are on fire today! You go girl!
PEACE
June 8th, 2009 at 11:31 ampastcaring – why do you post to others and then claim you’re not interested in conversation. is this a tactic to let your bullshit pass?
don’t respond, i’m merely responding. thanks.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:31 amIts always been my firm belief, that if men could get pregnat, abortion would have been legal 1000 years ago.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:32 amIf these groups were pro-health care for poor children that would be one thing, but they arent, at that point they say we wont support welfare recipients, they steal our money!! No to SCHIP. Then if that fetus, once born, grows up, possibly to be gay, or poor, they would shun it.
I call BS, they want to care for someone elses fetus when it costs them nothing and not care when they are a child, or adult, who does need medical and other support to survive.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:33 amConservativeForProgress Says:
82. Certainly more convenient than carrying a baby to term, or possibly raising it. Wouldn’t you agree?
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how would you know?
:)
June 8th, 2009 at 11:34 amfreedom says: Your responding, but nobody is listening.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:34 amConservativeForProgress Says:
85. That makes a nice bumper sticker, but try thinking a little deeper. There are millions of pro-life women.
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do you know many of them?
why don’t they vote that way?
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June 8th, 2009 at 11:35 amthe freedom Says:
pastcaring – why do you post to others and then claim you’re not interested in conversation. is this a tactic to let your bullshit pass?
don’t respond, i’m merely responding. thanks.
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why did you respond?
???
June 8th, 2009 at 11:36 amAnd BTW this Roeder guy was a failed father…what woman would want to have a baby by that guy? Would you blame a woman for divorcing this guy, and she did, to keep her child safe?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:36 amConservativeForProgress Says:
85. That makes a nice bumper sticker, but try thinking a little deeper. There are millions of pro-life women.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:33 am
And you might be surprised how many of them have had abortions.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:36 amWould Ann Coulter have Roeders child?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:37 am> Certainly more convenient than carrying a baby to term,
> or possibly raising it. Wouldn’t you agree?
Certainly the “responsible” thing to do if you lack the resources to give it a good home..theres always adoption, of course, but definitely a hard working republican would agree its hardly responsible to ask the public to pay for the results of the accidental pregnancy as they would if the child became a ward of the state…..or I’m going to guess that maybe this is the one sitution where you think the american taxpayer should foot the bill for this persons child?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:37 amHere’s an interesting (and rhetorical) question regarding Roeder’s assertion that more abortion-related violence is planned:
Should this man be waterboarded?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:38 amnot as convenient as birth control, which you right wing sissies are also against
the idea that women have an abortion on a whim is a right wing canard that is total BS
not to mention, the type of abortion Dr Tiller performed were medically necessary, on a fetus that would not make it, and were to prevent the death of the mother
they also required the written approval of 2 other independent doctors
so, CFP, once again, you spout off before you know what the hell you are talking about
typical right wing ignorance
June 8th, 2009 at 11:38 am>There are millions of pro-life women.
You assume people are going to always vote in their own interests?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:39 amalso, CFP, my post was #18, not #82
I realize math is not the strongest subject among right wingers, but wow
June 8th, 2009 at 11:40 amerr, #81
June 8th, 2009 at 11:40 amResearching this post made me sick, but I thought it was necessary to write it:
A tour of the frothing at the mouth, head-spinning, spittle-flecked wingnut hate machine.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:41 amTiller’s accused killer claims that more anti-abortion violence is ‘planned around the country.’
– - Thanks for unwittingly bringing in the FBI and Federal jurisdiction now that we know we have a conspiracy. Putz.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:42 ambut try thinking a little deeper.
When YOU are up to your eyeballs in shit, it’s not necessarily a sign of “thinking a little deeper”.
You might need to pull your head up, find the clear air, and just sit there quietly for a while…
June 8th, 2009 at 11:42 amIts always been a false claim for these groups to call themselves pro-life, when what they really are is anti-abortion. When it comes to life, they are very selective. Most of them supported bushes unjust war, torture and the killing of any Iraqi who disagreed with us. To call these groups pro-life is a joke.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:43 amthe freedom Says:
but but libs he hasn’t been found guilty of anything ala the guantanamo detainees. how could is he a terrorist w/o having been convicted of anything? you’re adamant about labeling innocent the middle eastern thugs up to no good on the battlefield, but a baby killer’s killer is a terrorist to you. real smart application of the word.
Many of the people in Guantanamo are not guilty of anything, and our government has admitted it. Also, very few of the people in Guantanamo were captured “on the battlefield”. Most were sold to the US by warlords and neighbors who needed the money. And yet your side refers to every person who is in Guantanamo as being a “terrorist”.
Roeder was seen killing Dr. Tiller. There are numerous witnesses who have identified him and the vehicle he used to flee the crime. Technically he is innocent until proven guilty, but there is every indication that he is guilty so it is entirely just to call him a terrorist.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:44 am5th Estate did two excellent guest blogging posts at TheZoo on the curious differences in charging Scott Roeder and Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad:
Religious White Christians Can’t Be Terrorists and Part 2
June 8th, 2009 at 11:46 amAgreed…what they should be called is patriarchal fascists…
June 8th, 2009 at 11:46 am>>- – Thanks for unwittingly bringing
>> in the FBI and Federal jurisdiction
I’m sure the case is already receiving federal scrutiny although I doubt much will come of this as far as any co-conspirators are concerned, although to be honest all of operation rescue could probably be jailed under a legitimate RICO indictment, these fetushuggers have such political power in this country that they wont be touched because of how much their cries and howls of persecution would be echoed by the mainstream media echo chamber that masquerades as “news” in this country..
June 8th, 2009 at 11:47 amCFPee, this is the second time in this thread you have said that abortion is being used as birth control. Where are your facts on this claim? Give us some facts and links to prove your charge.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:48 amit isn’t
you have been lied to
abortion is a traumatic procedure and no woman has one on a whim
you are an ignorant rube that believes anything your radio tells you
stop being so gullible
June 8th, 2009 at 11:48 amPerhaps the goal of the American Taliban is to destroy America by invoking violence nation wide which as they know could bring on the possibility martial law and the old bill titled HR 1955 “The Violent Radicalization Of Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act” so if and when they ever regain control of our government, they will be able to rule us with a bloody iron fist that will have the laws in place to squash any protest or dissent?
Perhaps this is why under the republicans our banking and financial sector was allowed to run amok? Perhaps this is why under Bush, the housing market was allowed to collapse? Perhaps this is why Bush signed a treaty with Canada which allows the USA to use the Canadian military with our country in times of natural disasters, pandemics OR civil unrest? Perhaps this is why our US troops are seemly stuck in two never ending wars halfway around the world?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:49 am>I, along with most Conservatives, am very
> much in favor of
>forms of birth control that prevent conception.
and the website of the organization that mirrors your views would be….?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:49 amAbortion should not be used as a method of “birth conrol.”
Thank goodness it’s not, for your sake, eh wimpy?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:50 amBy their (the “pro-lifers”) own logic, isn’t it the mother that is committing infanticide? Isn’t the doctor just an accessory to the “crime”? I don’t see any of them condoning jailing/prosecuting or shooting the mothers.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:51 amIs it because we’re just poor,stuuupid, sex-crazed females that are being taken advantage of by the big bad abortion doctors?
Regarding the “pro-life”, “anti-abortion” rhetoric – there is a very big difference. When Gallup did the recent poll asking people if they were “pro-life” 51% said yes. And yet in the next question they asked if the respondent thought that abortion should be legal. Only 23% said that abortion should be illegal. The remainder said it should be legal always, most circumstances or only a few circumstances.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/More-Americans-Pro-Life-Than-Pro-Choice-First-Time.aspx
It’s all in the words and how you phrase something. The Republics are masters at framing a question in a way that gets them the results they are looking for.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:51 amC4P, why are you fetus huggers on the right so concerned about the unborn child BUT once it is born you turn your backs on it in regards to programs like health care and education?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:51 am…
cfp,
you don’t care about the “pro life” movement
because you’ve never been on the “front lines”.
why is that?
:|
…
June 8th, 2009 at 11:51 amC4Pee has blown the little credibility he ever had by peddling the Civil Rights for Fetuses nonsense.
Ignore it.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:53 amHow can one claim to be pro-life and yet be pro-war?
How can one claim to be for less government and than wants our government to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her own reproductive organs?
The stench of hypocrisy is thick this morning.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:55 amangels81 Says:
CFPee, this is the second time in this thread you have said that abortion is being used as birth control. Where are your facts on this claim? Give us some facts and links to prove your charge.
The average cost for an abortion is around $1,000 and most insurance policies don’t cover it.
So CFP, don’t you think that’s a rather expensive form of birth control.
BTW CFP, are you against abortion if a woman becomes pregnant through rape or incest? Do you think that if a mother might die if she takes her pregnancy to term, she should be allowed to die, along with the fetus?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:55 amWe on the left need to stop calling them by the name they have given themseleves “pro-life” and start calling them what they really are “ant-abortion”. Once out of the womb, they don’t give a shit about that life.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:55 amI agree zooey
CFP pretended to be interested in debate at first
now he has exposed himself as just another troll, here to whine about “libruls” and anything else the radio tells him to whine about
time to implement “freeze-a-troll”
ignore on
June 8th, 2009 at 11:56 amUncle Fester Lurks Says:
How can one claim to be pro-life and yet be pro-war?
How can one claim to be pro-life and then condemn a woman to death because her pregnancy has gone horribly wrong?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:56 amMent to say anti-abortion. sorry.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:56 ammore accurately: anti-choice or anti-woman
June 8th, 2009 at 11:56 amNo offense to anyone, but part of the reason ‘they won’t be touched’, is that they are allowed to hide behind the banner of religion. People (in the broader society) are not usually, openly criticized for their religious beliefs with the vehemence non believers are…until Op Rescue and their brethren can be ideologically unyoked from responsible religion, they will continue to get away with inciting more violence in the furtherance of their goals…just sayin’
June 8th, 2009 at 11:57 amRantingTommy, works for me.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:58 amright wingers just want to enforce their sexual repression on others
abortion removes the consequences for sex in their eyes
they just want women to be punished for having sex
June 8th, 2009 at 11:59 amCFPee, Answer the question some of us have asked about the charges you have made about abortion being used as birth control. So us links, and facts to your charges, or just STFU.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:00 pm>thus supporting my contention that
>many women are using abortion as a
> form of birth control
still waiting for the link to the right wing organization that is against abortion but supports birth control…..
June 8th, 2009 at 12:00 pmthe only responsible religion is no religion
June 8th, 2009 at 12:00 pm>but part of the reason ‘they won’t be touched’,
>is that they are allowed to hide behind
>the banner of religion
the banner of Xtianity you mean…dont think we’re ever going to see a muslim avoid prosecution in this country by hiding behing the banner of his religion
June 8th, 2009 at 12:01 pmThere are several issues posted by constipatedforprogress and other trolls that bother me, one in particuler is are they female.? If not STFU….Next in line is the hard truth of lack of education pramoted by the reich winger’s…They don’t want young men and women educated about birth control and safe sex, instead they want to impose their thinking on the masses no matter the law’s or even sane thought…These same reich winged sudo christian’s claim on the one hand that a woman do’s not have the right to choose, declared by law but that it’s totaly alright for fertility clinics to flush fertalized embrios instead of using them for stem cell research in saving live’s…All their thinking is just to crazy to explain..
Now we come to their backing a terrorist murderer….The fact that the trolls and the media are giving this horrible man a pulpit, allowing him to even speak to anyone other than his attorney is more madness spewed by the like’s of limpdick, o’lilie and the rest of the pure evil reich wingers…Cherry picking crap from their bible when it suits them…
The realy sick thing is this monster killed a good man in front of witnesses..First degree murder….The suposed terrorests in our hidden prisons that have been tortured in some cases for 7 year’s haven’t even been allowed to speak and on top on that they have been tortured by our government…This entire mess is as sickening as the trolls that post here…Jeebos..Their thinking and that of the media is enough to make me puke…Peace, Blessings and Justice.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:01 pmIf Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Addington, Feith, Rice and Rove had been aborted at birth, 4000+ US soldiers and over 150,000 innocent Iraqi men, women and children would still be alive today.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:02 pmImagine being stupid enough to not know the difference between a living human being and a fetus
you’d have to be incredibly stupid
overwhelmingly stupid
REPUBLICAN stupid even
June 8th, 2009 at 12:03 pmC4Pee really doesn’t understand the concept of “proving one’s assertion”.
The poor deluded troll thinks that by citing unrelated statistics and claiming that they “support his contention” it makes it so.
What a silly troll.
BTW, C4Pee, your handle is an oxymoron.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:03 pmCFPee, you are such a worm, you won’t or can’t back up your statements, so you just call another poster a lier instead. Sad…
June 8th, 2009 at 12:03 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
Approximately half of all women presenting for an induced abortion have had at least one prior induced abortion, thus supporting my contention that many women are using abortion as a form of birth control.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:54 am
That proves nothing, you idiot. Your link says that 47% of women 15-44 who have had abortions have had at least one prior abortion.
Since most women have at least 12 ovulations per year, which equals roughly 350 possibilities of becoming pregnant over that time period — two abortions hardly constitutes birth control.
You don’t know what’s going on in these women’s lives, do you? Of course, you don’t care. You just want to reduce women to incubators for the unborn.
Mind your own business.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:03 pmLife is started with a breath of air does a fetus breath air while in the womb?…just asking.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:04 pm> It is amazing how the pro-abortion crowd claims
> to care about human rights,
> but gives such a narrow definition to what is “human,”
Amazing that I cant ever get people like you to explain whether you think people that discard embryos are murderers or not
June 8th, 2009 at 12:04 pmtime to put CFP in the penalty troll box
ignore on, it has proven itself to be just a troll
time to implement the successful strategy of freezing it out
June 8th, 2009 at 12:05 pm> You just want to reduce women to
> incubators for the unborn.
Yeep. Exactly. If those pesky womeen are tied down making babies they cant meddle in us mans business..like runing the world, and makin money, and stuff…the amount of power women in a society have is stronly correllated with thier degree of sexual freedom..
June 8th, 2009 at 12:06 pmOnce again C4Pee’s dickishness surfaces like a humpback whale.
THERE IS NO ‘PRO-ABORTION CROWD”.
No one wants MORE abortions.
The pro-choice crowd wants to keep a necessary medical procedure legal and safe for those who need it.
The anti-choice a$$holes who insist on calling their opponents “pro-abortion” immediately reveal their intellectual dishonesty the moment they do so.
C4Pee proudly proclaims his intellectual dishonesty at every opportunity.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:07 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
145. Try explaining that to defendants rightly convicted of double murder when they kill a pregnant woman. Tell them that baby in utero wasn’t a “life.”
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cfp,
talk’s cheap.
but when are you going
to stop posing and start
giving a “darn”?
**
June 8th, 2009 at 12:08 pmright wingers love to control a woman’s uterus or cover her from head to toe, depending on which flavor of right wing it is
June 8th, 2009 at 12:08 pm>Do you understand that?
Do you understand my frustration at your inability to post the link to the website of one single group which suports the positions you claim “most conservatives” do?
June 8th, 2009 at 12:11 pmCFP, Really! and which abortion is not legal?
June 8th, 2009 at 12:11 pmright wingers try to act like they care about the fetus, but their lack of support for pregnant women proves that they don’t
right wingers want to punish women for having sex
an abortion removes the punishment
that pisses off people that want to control women
especially the ones that can’t get the pretty ones to talk to them without putting a dollar in their garter
June 8th, 2009 at 12:13 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
Not all abortion is legal Dr. Matt. Do you understand that?
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blah, blah, blah.
**
“deeds, not words.”
– ronald reagan.
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June 8th, 2009 at 12:13 pmNot all driving a motor vehicle is legal.
Therefore, Pee would like us to refrain from the disingenuous claim that “driving a car is legal in the United States”. Do we all understand that?
June 8th, 2009 at 12:14 pmjust ignore the troll
it has proven itself to be fearful, dishonest, and just here to crap its pants and make everyone smell it
ignore it so it can feel here what it feels in real life: alone
June 8th, 2009 at 12:14 pmVery good point, and a basis for discussion in its own right… thanks for the clarification of my broadly worded rant CJ…
June 8th, 2009 at 12:15 pmRantingTommy Says:
I didn’t say that, El Bruce
there will always be good people that do good things
there will always be evil people that do evil things
but to get a good person to do evil things takes religion
… or any other dogmatic belief system. There are plenty of secular ones as well. Any belief system can be used for this purpose by evil people.
.
ralph the wonder locust Says:
ElBruce, I’m not aware of anyone who has been murdered “in the name of atheism”. Can you clue me in?
Stalin for one, killed a buncha people.
The thing is, if you get into the “my belief system is the right one and their belief system is the wrong one and that’s why they do bad things” game, then they’ve drawn you into the same game they play. Although most all atrocities were started by someone with a belief system, it’s also true that they were started to oppose a belief system.
The belief systems themselves aren’t the problem. The people employing them to kill are.
.
ConservativeForProgress Says:
I know support balancing the right to privacy with the right of the state to protect the fetus, which is why most Conservatives support allowing abortion in those rare cases where rape or incest result in pregnancy (less than 1% of abortions) or when there is a serious, verified, imminent risk to the life of the mother.
There is no right to privacy if the state is “protecting” the fetus. It’s not something you can “balance.” If what happens inside a woman’s uterus is a matter of state regulation, then she has no right to privacy whatsoever. Your attempts to make yourself appear even-minded and compromising on this are perfectly transparent.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:16 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
ConservativeForProgress Says:
Not all abortion is legal Dr. Matt. Do you understand that?
Not all driving a motor vehicle is legal.
Therefore, Pee would like us to refrain from the disingenuous claim that “driving a car is legal in the United States”. Do we all understand that?
June 8th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
That’s about C4Pee’s speed, ralph.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:19 pmHoly crap. I didn’t know we had a “preview” option on comments. When did that arrive?
June 8th, 2009 at 12:19 pmElBruce
you can’t compare atheism with religious beliefs as if they are comparable
atheism is based on reality, evidence, actual facts
religion is based on myths, lies, distortions, and scams
one is factual, one is fantasy
no comparison
religious belief is a mental illness
June 8th, 2009 at 12:19 pmI think just a few minutes ago
June 8th, 2009 at 12:20 pmI fear you’re right, Tommy. I’m getting concerned about the quality of trolling here on this site. I’m finding myself feeling like more and more trolls are only fit to be ignored.
I figured at least C4Pee and wipey would be available for batting practice, but Pee is really pushing the limits of what constitutes a base-level troll worth responding to.
Sad.
(NOTE: I just discovered the “preview comment” feature just added. I like it. Should cut down on the embarrassing typos. Well done, TP!)
June 8th, 2009 at 12:20 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
ElBruce Says:
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There is no right to privacy if the state is “protecting” the fetus. It’s not something you can “balance.” If what happens inside a woman’s uterus is a matter of state regulation, then she has no right to privacy whatsoever. Your attempts to make yourself appear even-minded and compromising on this are perfectly transparent.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
_______________________________________
It is obvious that you haven’t read Roe v. Wade. Roe v. Wade talked about this balance between the woman’s right to privacy and the state’s right to protect the fetus.
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cite the passage.
:|
June 8th, 2009 at 12:23 pmC’mon, ElBruce, that’s more than a little disingenuous. Stalin killed people in order to maintain power, not in service of any strong commitment to atheism. He didn’t even justify the killings by appealing to atheism. He justified them by claiming a threat to the State.
The State was the belief system he was trying to protect.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:23 pm***
if you’re not too busy.
:)
June 8th, 2009 at 12:24 pmyeah ralph
this one is only interested in pushing the point of view the radio gives to him
no original thought
June 8th, 2009 at 12:25 pmalways lying
it’s not worth engaging anymore
ConservativeForProgress Says:
It is obvious that you haven’t read Roe v. Wade. Roe v. Wade talked about this balance between the woman’s right to privacy and the state’s right to protect the fetus.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
You’re going to have to come up with the exact quote in Roe v. Wade, along with a link, so we can read it for ourselves. I’ll be back later to read it.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:25 pmThey were trying to help the trolls not sound sooooo ignorant, hoping perhaps the trolls would exercise a little self-editing…NOT!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 12:26 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
It is amazing how the “pro-life” crowd claims to care about life
From now on please refer to them as anti-choice. This is what it is.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:27 pm>It is obvious that you haven’t read Roe v. Wade.
Happen to have the link to any anti-abortion groups that even recognize the legitimacy of that ruling?
June 8th, 2009 at 12:27 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
RantingTommy Says:
——————————————————————————–
ElBruce
you can’t compare atheism with religious beliefs as if they are comparable
atheism is based on reality, evidence, actual facts
religion is based on myths, lies, distortions, and scams
one is factual, one is fantasy
no comparison
religious belief is a mental illness
June 8th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
___________________________________________
Joseph Stalin agreed with you. Stalin killed hundreds of thousands. Proud?
June 8th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
…
what leads you to write that?
>>>
June 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pmI have to go with El Bruce on this one. Religion is just one form of avoiding responsibility for personal beliefs based on an ideology. Nationalistic, Political and Ethnic ideologies can be every bit as damaging.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:29 pm> Stalin killed hundreds of thousands.
So did Hitler. Hilter beleived it was good to have good hygiene. Do you agree with hitler about this?
June 8th, 2009 at 12:30 pmWow, check out that mugshot of Roeder!–that is one jacked-up Daryll!
Our flag mechanism here should automatically assign trolls the mugshot as their icon.
Take a good, long look at that picture, trolls.
That is you.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:30 pmtoo funny when trolls pretend Stalin killed ppl because he was atheist
they are either too stupid to read history or are intentionally dishonest
no wonder right wingers are always wrong
June 8th, 2009 at 12:32 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
Stalin’s Holy War.
http://uncpress.unc.edu/browse/page/542.
RantingTommy looks back and wonders if he can help make it happen again.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
***
if you want to stop “stalin”
you have to be willing to work for it.
…
don’t be lazy.
:\
June 8th, 2009 at 12:32 pmjust ignore it joe
it has no intellectual integrity
it lies and will spout any BS it is told to spout
it gets played by its radio
June 8th, 2009 at 12:34 pmjoe, apparently either C4Pee is not availing himself of the use of our new “Preview” button in order to read over and see just how ridiculous he sounds before he submits…
or he really believes the crap he shovels here.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:34 pmthe troll has to misrepresent my position to argue against it
the funny thing is, this troll is so stupid its own straw man might just defeat it
June 8th, 2009 at 12:34 pmI prefer to refer to them as the party of death…as so many of their policies have resulted in it for so many people at home and abroad for a variety of reasons…
June 8th, 2009 at 12:36 pmTommy, it may be that the troll is not misrepresenting your position. We have to account for the possibility that it’s just so bone-stupid that it gets easily confused.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:37 pm>183. He believed in “racial hygiene.”
Thats not what im talking about you F3ckwit. He beleived PERSONAL hygiene was important. You know, stuff like wiping your a@s after you take a sh!t..do you agree with hitler about this, or not?
June 8th, 2009 at 12:38 pmdon’t be pulled into its ruse
this troll is just here to annoy
it has no facts
it has no point
it has no clue
it will never admit to being wrong, even when proven wrong repeatedly
it is a troll
best to ignore it
June 8th, 2009 at 12:39 pmps. Bin Laden has said he thinks taxes in this country are too high, ConservativeinPromdress, do you agree with Bin Laden that taxes are too high in this country?
June 8th, 2009 at 12:40 pmit also believes a woman’s uterus is subject to control by the state
it has a very totalitarian dictatorship belief philosophy
must be a Stalin worshipper
June 8th, 2009 at 12:42 pmI’ll believe any of you anti-abortion crew have any real thought of a fetus being a human when you start pushing the insurance companies to issue a life insurance policy for one, and force them to pay out for a miscarriage of the human.
Just like I’ll believe you have any worry about the ’sanctity of marriage’ when you push balls to the wall to outlaw divorce.
Until then you are just pushing bull$hit.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:42 pmwell, bull$hit is the primary currency of right wing trade
June 8th, 2009 at 12:43 pmCould someone please get Roeder a blankie?!–he cold!
When I have complained about detainee conditions in Gitmo, it was because they were getting the snot beat out of them by a black-shirted goon squad, as well as assorted other indecencies, like feces being rubbed on their faces.
Roeder was expecting a parade, a medal from Bill O’Reilly and sex with Laura Ingraham.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:47 pmSounds like a conspiracy to me.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:49 pmMore crazy posts from constipatedforprogress…..Heres a thought and question for all the reich winged trolls…What do ya think about retroactive birth control, murder.? Thats what this dreadful man and the bull shit bushs bunch along with all the loonies that back unjustified war’s have done….In the case of the past administration over one million men, women and children in Iraq were murdered..Like Stalin and many other’s…Then we have over 4.600 of our killed to carry out the dreadful deed’s….Jeebos, I wish we could fix stupid and end the war’s…P.B. & J
June 8th, 2009 at 1:10 pmThe man deserves a medal and a cold beer not jail time. He killed a killer, probably over 100+ babies have just been saved this week because of him.
June 8th, 2009 at 1:15 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
… Even with that, you cannot disregard the finding that the right of the state to protect the fetus must be balanced with the woman’s right to privacy. …
… that many don’t think the state has any rights at all to protect the “fetus” until “it” takes it’s first breath.
I didn’t finish reading all the posts, but to start with the obvious…. you are suggesting that there is inherently some kind of socialism here. That the state has “rights”, or more accurately you suggest the state has a “duty”, to “protect the fetus” up until birth — moresoe you imply clearly that you believe the state has a “mandate” to protect a fetus.
Nice qualifier… “up until birth”. That gets you off the hook about taking care of the baby and raising, feeding, clothing it (etc.).
But this state mandate to protect a fetus… thus, the people of a state are liable for the safety and well-being of a fetus? Then, does it not follow by simple logic that the state should be providing for a safe environment, proper nourishment, etc. for that fetus? Should not the state be footing the bill for every preganant woman’s needs until she gives birth? This would, logically, include the hospital care to properly and safely give birth. Why is all of that not paid for entirely by the state, if it is their mandate to care for these fetuses? Why are not you and those who think like you campaigning and arguing for these things to be paid for by the state, since it is the state’s responsibility to see these fetuses brought to term?
Or is it (as it is) that you are merely arguing that a woman who becomes pregnant, regardless of cause, should be forced to carry that fetus to term, and then to raise that baby? You are not interested in the “state’s ‘right’ to see the fetus brought to term”: you are arguing that a pregnant woman should be forced to bring that fetus to term by law, regardless of her concerns in the matter.
And I would assume that you have, always, been responsible and safe with your reproductive system, and respectful of the reproductive systems of others in your personal dealings, for you to hold such a position.
June 8th, 2009 at 1:20 pmMore proof, we can’t fix stupid or evil the best we can do is lock them up forever or vote them all out of office and send their trolls back under the bridge…
June 8th, 2009 at 1:21 pmAnd Jimmy Bug Balls chimes in with support for a domestic terrorist.
Yer either with us or with the terrorists, JImmy!
June 8th, 2009 at 1:22 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Yay for vigilantism!!! I agree. Everyone who believes they see someone doing something that they believe is immoral or just plain wrong SHOULD have the right to kill them. Who needs laws and justice systems and all that hooey. Let’s just arm everyone up and shoot anyone who offends thee!!
Yippeee vigilante!!!!
And you don’t need no stupid facts or nuthin’ — just shoot anyone who you think is immoral. Yay anarchy!!!!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 1:23 pmYes killing babies is immoral
June 8th, 2009 at 1:28 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Yes killing babies is immoral
Yes, it is. But a baby is not a fetus. Nor is a fetus a baby. We actually use two separate words here because they are two separate things.
How many fetuses can be put on a life insurance policy?
What rights are undeniably given to a fetus?
How long will a fetus survive on its own in the open air?
June 8th, 2009 at 1:34 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Yes killing babies is immoral
Oh… and killing an adult is moral?
Let’s be clear: an adult citizen killing another adult citizen , when the killer believes the victim is immoral, even though the victim did nothing against the law is moral?
Do you know what a “vigilante” is? Do you know why it is illegal to be a vigilante?
June 8th, 2009 at 1:36 pmWait a minute Jimmy, is killing babies always immoral? Do you ever make room for exceptions? I mean what about the babies who qualify for collateral damage status? Just curious.
June 8th, 2009 at 1:38 pmA fetus is just a baby being developed in its mothers womb. Its still alive, still has a conscience etc. Kill it is murder no matter how developed that baby is.
In this case, the law is wrong. Tillers killer should be set free. Theres nothing wrong with saving lives if it takes killing 1 murderer.
June 8th, 2009 at 1:45 pmSeveral years ago I took my girlfriend to have an abortion. I was seated in the waiting room of the doctors office looking around at the women. You know what was really strange? They were all ordinary everyday women. The kind you see in the grocery store, at the post office, driving down your street.
June 8th, 2009 at 1:47 pmSome were young, some were old. They were not bawling their heads off or hiding in shame. They just didn’t want to have a child for whatever reason they had in their mind. Which is entirely their decision as it should be. In retrospect with my luck, the kid would have turned out to be a troll on a political forum webboard anyway so I am far better off.
Before any sanctimonious religious nutters start off on me, save it for someone that cares.
Yeah, I’m selfish and I know it.
vinylspear, theres a nice spot reserved for you and your ilk in hell waiting for you. Disgusting murderer.
June 8th, 2009 at 1:51 pmSo you’re not “Pro-LIFE”; you’re “pro-the lives you think are worth protecting”.
Got it.
BTW, I presume you’re in favor of the police investigating every miscarriage as a potential homicide?
June 8th, 2009 at 1:51 pmWow. I knew you were a hypocrite, Jimmy, I just didn’t know you were this unaware of your hypocrisy.
Nice support for the domestic terrorist, though.
June 8th, 2009 at 1:52 pmThank you jimmy!!! I didn’t know that there were any nice spots left in hell with real estate being what it is these days. Save one for me, I love a good barbeque and I have a whole lot of friends there so we can make a party of it.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:04 pmRoeder is going to be warm enough in Hell because that’s where you go when you murder somebody.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:07 pmEvery one of these male supposed pro-lifers, supposed because they support murder, would be paying for an abortion if they were looking at 21 years of child support. They’re all lying sacks of crap.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:09 pmForgive my late entry, if anybody’s already thought of it, but this is a case that simply SCREAMS for the application of torture.
It’s the hidden time-bomb scenario, exactly.
We NEED to find out when the next attacks might come.
Waterboard the phucker!
Where’s Kieffer Sutherland when you REALLY need him?
June 8th, 2009 at 2:10 pmThese rightwingnuts defending Roeder and saying we’re not sympathetic to his being cold. Isn’t that one of the forms of torture they felt was no big deal. Keeping prisoners in a stress position naked and cold? This murder is in a drafty prison but because he’s a white male like them all of a sudden they found compassion.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:11 pmWell we know what will work on him tokin librul. Crank up the air conditioning and take away his blankie and he’ll be singing like a little bird. I know the reich wingers won’t consider that torture.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:14 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
A fetus is just a baby being developed in its mothers womb. Its still alive, still has a conscience etc. Kill it is murder no matter how developed that baby is.
Funny how you maroons get everything just exactly backwards, jimmy…
in fact, a “baby” is what you call a foetus which has managed to be born. When they get born, they’re babies; til then they’re ‘foeti’. They get killed, and die, all the time, by various ways, just like all the rest of life. Abortion is no more ‘murder’ than clearing a big ol’ loogee from your throat…
June 8th, 2009 at 2:16 pmMaybe JimmyBB or CFP can address my questions @#116.
If abortion is murder, are you in favor of charging the mother with infanticide or 1st degree murder, punishable with life in prison or the death penalty??
Or, is their “punishment” only meted out in the afterlife?
There seems to some inconsistantcies concerning the “murder” argument where this is concerned.
Just curious.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:16 pmI hope there is a hell so all you evildoers rot there for supporting the murderer of a man who saved the lives of women whose lives were at risk. The world would be a better place if your mother had aborted you.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:17 pmLet me see if I have this straight…killing for religious reasons is commendable if you are a Christian. Killing for religious reasons if you are Jewish is acceptable. Killing for religious reasons if you are a Muslim is terrorism.
Nice set of rules. No wonder the rest of the world thinks we are nuts.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:18 pmOh, and there is the idea that if you are arrested in the US as a result of due process, you aren’t supposed to be treated like a criminal but if you are detained as a suspected terrorist under the rendition policy you are treated like a subhuman piece of scum and denied membership in the human race.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:24 pmJimmy Little Doe is more disturbing to me than most true believers. He appears to be one of those Christianists who gets off on fantasies of others suffering special torments in hell. I suspect it’s because he can’t really imagine the love he’s been told awaits him in heaven. I get the feeling that Hell makes life worth living to the Jimmys among us.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:30 pmBack to Scott Roeder; I’m fascinated by the egocentric nature of his complaints. He doesn’t seem smart enough to realize that Martyrs embrace their deeds and gladly bear whatever punishment society metes out. Roeder has behaved like any other run of the mill low-life. Having failed to earn self worth, he tried to steal from someone who had. Now, like those who encouraged him, he runs from accountability.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:51 pmRantingTommy Says:
you can’t compare atheism with religious beliefs as if they are comparable
atheism is based on reality, evidence, actual facts
No, agnosticism is based on reality, evidence, actual facts. To claim that you can know either the negative or the affirmative of a factually undecidable proposition constitutes a claim to supernatural powers of perception.
It’s one thing to exclude God from consideration due to application of Occam’s Razor. It’s another thing to assert that there is no God.
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ConservativeForProgress Says:
It is obvious that you haven’t read Roe v. Wade. Roe v. Wade talked about this balance between the woman’s right to privacy and the state’s right to protect the fetus.
Sure it does, in part VII (find for “balance”). That doesn’t mean it’s correct. Do you agree with everything Roe v. Wade says?
If the government has an interest in what’s going on inside one of your internal organs, then you are not “secure in your person,” and therefore the Fourth Amendment has been violated.
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ralph the wonder locust Says:
C’mon, ElBruce, that’s more than a little disingenuous. Stalin killed people in order to maintain power, not in service of any strong commitment to atheism.
Oh, he killed people that way too. But there’s extensive Communist writings against religion specifically, even before there were any Communist governments. They had it out for religion on purpose. It wasn’t just a side consequence of them gaining power.
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RayFerd Says:
I’ll believe any of you anti-abortion crew have any real thought of a fetus being a human when you start pushing the insurance companies to issue a life insurance policy for one, and force them to pay out for a miscarriage of the human.
Ooh, nice one. Somebody with a tricky uterine lining could make a lot of money on that.
June 8th, 2009 at 3:09 pmJimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy.
Have you never had zygotes and cream cheese on garlic toast for breakfast? A touch of chives, a dash of fresh pepper? Where in the Constitution transfers a woman’s right to her body to you religious freaks?
Have a good day. Don’t forget the chives.
June 8th, 2009 at 3:10 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
A fetus is just a baby being developed in its mothers womb.
Wrong. Prior to birth, fetuses have a shell-like casing over their brain cells, preventing neural networks to form. Those shed off shortly after the birth trauma, bringing the brain cells “on line” and constructing the basis of a mind.
There are very clear and specific biological differences between a fetus and a baby; they include the ability to breathe water, use of a placenta, etc. But the one I cited in the previous paragraph is extremely relevant to whether we’re dealing with a person or not.
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immy Big Bucks Says:
vinylspear, theres a nice spot reserved for you and your ilk in hell waiting for you.
What if it’s for you? What if you’re wrong about all of this? If you believe it’s there but you don’t consider that possibility, then you really don’t have faith.
June 8th, 2009 at 3:17 pmNot the same thing. That’s killing in opposition to religion because religion, as a power structure, is a threat to any other totalitarian power structure. It was not aimed at instilling atheism in the populace or evangelizing it. In the case of the Communist writings you mention, again, the belief system at heart is Communism, not atheism.
June 8th, 2009 at 3:23 pmAnd this piece of pond scum is still alive why??
June 8th, 2009 at 3:32 pmElBruce, this is fascinating information. Can you point me to some good basic resources on the web where I can learn more about it?
Thanks.
June 8th, 2009 at 3:35 pmTypical.
C4Pee yammers on and on about Roe v. Wade’s alleged protection of the fetus by the state, but disappears when asked for the exact text and a link.
Coward.
June 8th, 2009 at 4:15 pm“Some people call it a private decision in consultation with a medical professional. I call it a slingblade. uh huh”
“I reckon me I know better than them thar ladies and them thar medical folks Uh Huh”
June 8th, 2009 at 5:00 pmSee, unlike “the freedom” here, we want due process for the detainees at Guantanamo and Roeder here, but we do not sympathize with any of them as he would like to suggest we do.
Oh and Jimmy, how do you call yourself pro-life if you condone the murder of a doctor who was providing a service legally? Is this the new definition of being pro-life? You’re so pro-life that you’re willing to KILL in order to prove your point?
June 8th, 2009 at 5:14 pmSo after having had multiple miscarraiges, do you think I should be charged with a crime if I attempt pregnancy again and lose it one more time? Because, obviously, that would put me on par with a serial killer. After all, I am just making embryos to flush them, right?
It’s men like you who have zero concept of what it means to be a woman that cheese me off beyond belief. Does it suck for me that there are women out there who don’t want their babies, and yet I want one and can’t have one? Yup. But does that mean I feel that I have some right to get into their business? Heck no. Until you understand what it’s like to be that pregnant woman, stfu.
June 8th, 2009 at 5:16 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
You expect me to read and respond to every post here, Zooey. I’m not a paid poster like you. I have a life. Do you really need a link to Roe v. Wade, or are you smart enough to find it yourself.
Assuming the former, here you go.
In case you don’t like that one, here is another.
Read.
June 8th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
No, you in the middle of your “big argument,” and then you disappear. Typical.
I don’t have time to read that whole case. You said there is language in Roe v. Wade saying the state must protect the fetus, or the fetus has rights, or some such shit. Copy and paste it here. I’m not doing your work for you — you make an assertion, you back it up.
June 8th, 2009 at 5:16 pmAllYouNeedIs Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Bravo!!!
Well said, AllYouNeedIs. This issue is never as simple as these morons would have it be.
I’m so sorry for your pain and loss, and I thank you for speaking so eloquently.
June 8th, 2009 at 5:19 pmThanks Zooey. Not sure how eloquent I’m feeling today, but honestly, I’m not sure I care. I just get frustrated easily by people who, more often than not, have not been where I have, or in the shoes the women that they so loudly condemn.
June 8th, 2009 at 5:34 pmWell, color me surprised, there is no mention of fetal rights in C4Pee’s link — only protection of the woman’s 14th Amendment rights to privacy.
Keep trying, C4Pee!!
June 8th, 2009 at 5:40 pmConservativeForProgress,
The Republicans had the majority in Congress for 12 long years, with another Republican the White House for 8 of those 12.
You and I will both agree that 99.9% of those Republicans were, and are, will say that they are against abortion. So, did they push for a Constitutional amendment outlawing abortion? Hell no.
Why? Because they use the issue of abortion as a political football, that’s why. They truly don’t give a damn about abortion and the deaths of the unborn, for if they did, they’d have done something about it long ago. Yet with the same as flag burning and gay marriage, it provides them with a wedge issue, only it’s a much more serious issue.
Yet if they try to amend the Constitution, and the states fail to ratify it, then they lose.
June 8th, 2009 at 8:25 pmNo. They’re just reporting it. I’m mocking it. Look—a hypochondriac! This is what happens when trolls grow old and leave their basement with a weapon.
Most of the women who had late-term abortions from Dr. Tiller wanted their babies. (Some had even used medical procedures to get pregnant.) That’s why they were still pregnant in the eighth month. The procedure required the signature of two doctors. It was a risky surgery, performed when the other option was worse—having a baby so physically defective that it would have a very short life of drastic surgical intervention and pain, and no opportunity to bond with its mother.
The accusation that women have late-term abortions as birth control is without merit.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:04 pmOK, so my grammar was not the best in that last post, but you get the gist.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:12 pmI’m almost as sick of people equating communism and atheism as I am of the terms “pro-life” or “abortion doctor”.
Now that I got that off my chest, I certainly hope that the murderer’s known associates are facing some very pointed questions from federal authorities.
And, since that’s off my chest, If TP can add a preview function they can ban IP’s that continually disrupt the site with unspeakably vile sh!t.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:19 pmSo, trolls, how does it feel to be part of a terrorist movement that has threatened continuing violence against the U.S.A?
June 8th, 2009 at 9:22 pmFor you to honor someone that committed murder is beneath even the lowest low I thought a Christian would go.
I was wrong. There is no low to which Christians will not go.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:34 pmOn the rare occasions I wish to see a response from a stupid, vicious, murderous, vile troll I address said POS by name.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:34 pmThat’s no Christian, Levi. It’s not even human. It’s an enemy of humanity and our society.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:36 pmI do not support the use of terrorism, Prolife_activist, does and calls me slime.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:40 pmThe anti-abortion wingnuts are just victims of propaganda. They do not understand basic morality, despite that being the ultimate purpose of their faith.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:42 pmprolife activist, you sound a lot like someone zealous ive heard of called osama bin laden. such poorly informed moral character similarities. keep killing and spreading your brand of death. we think your silliness is cute.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:42 pmYou think it is heroic to commit murder? It is terrorism, and you are just as guilty of that terrorist murder as the murderer himself. May god have mercy on your worthless pitiful soul.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:46 pmMan, the trolls will say anything just to try to rile us up…
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ralph the wonder locust Says:
Not the same thing. That’s killing in opposition to religion because religion, as a power structure, is a threat to any other totalitarian power structure.
You keep saying that, but the writings of early Communist thinkers target religion specifically for completely different reasons. The official position of Communist governments has been that there is no God. That’s a law. And it’s atheism. Therefore, atheism is the law. Establishement of atheism and persecuting religions in its name was not a coincidence, or a side-effect of centralizing power.
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ralph the wonder locust Says:
ElBruce, this is fascinating information. Can you point me to some good basic resources on the web where I can learn more about it?
It was a Life magazine big-book on infant physiology. But here’s a relevant link. Basically, the process of interconnecting neurons starts around birth. The underlying basis of a mind starts forming gradually at that point. There are some other processes in place that prevent it from happening before birth, though.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:49 pmApparently Prolife_activist cannot have a discussion without resorting to insults, which does not surprise me at all.
But to correct your correction…
An abortion terminates a pregnancy, it does not kill a baby. Shooting a Doctor does kill an adult. Not an unborn adult, but an actual living person with family and friends. There is nothing heroic about murder. There is nothing heroic about defending a murderer.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:55 pmAnd on the day of reckoning Jesus won’t even know your name…please do not reply…I don’t care what you ‘believe’
June 8th, 2009 at 10:01 pmSo can all of those folks wh understand embryology please raise their hands? Thanks. I don’t want to embarass those unprepared and unqualified. Okay let’s go.
#1) What is a gamete
Maybe we should take these questions one at a time…
I’ll go slowly for the hayseeds….
June 8th, 2009 at 10:03 pmIn my opinion we have been visited by an unrepentant criminal. I have emailed the staff at TP and recommended that the FBI be notified. If I don’t receive a reply? I’ll contact them myself.
Prolife_activist has displayed a dangerous character and law enforcement officials should be made aware.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:04 pmProlife_activist, you pose a clear and present threat to the security of the United States of America. You and all your fellow wingnuts belong in prison. You do not deserve to be free. You are a terrorist sympathizer and I hope you spend the rest of your life in prison, right along with Roeder.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:05 pmI feel no need to be “polite” to a muderer/murderess.
No personhood, no murder.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:06 pmOh…me me me…choose me….
Gamete…
A reproductive cell having a single set of chromosomes, especially a mature sperm or egg.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:06 pmpete can you give me a minute? This won’t take long…
June 8th, 2009 at 10:06 pmProlife_activist, you belive that the use of violence is an acceptable means to achieve your ends. That is not acceptable. You belong in prison for the rest of your life.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:09 pmShoot, dbadass. However, I may have to take a break and puke after reading the sh!t from this effing terrorist.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:10 pmNo answer? Okay let’s try this. Using a Venn diagram identify and decribe the germ cell layers and the tissues and organs they give rise to. Feel free to jump in whereever you feel comfortable Prolife_activist…
June 8th, 2009 at 10:10 pmsorry pastcaring. I have to dock you 1/2 point for failure to use the term haploid…
June 8th, 2009 at 10:11 pmStill you are outscoring Prolife_activist…
You actually have to do something to commit a crime.
Um, conspiracy is also a crime. Your “sharing” could be viewed as an attempt to establish an illegal conspiracy.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:12 pmJimmyBB,
June 8th, 2009 at 10:14 pmAccording to your reasoning, anyone would have the right to kill the entire Bush administration. They did cause the deaths of one million people—needlessly.
Question 3) True or false Menstration and nocturnal emission kills countless babies.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:14 pmCan I get extra credit if I provide an empty
June 8th, 2009 at 10:14 pmVenn diagram…?
Definately extra points for the diagram. pastcaring gets the bonus question.
In an interpretive dance, show how miscarriages are not god killing babies….
June 8th, 2009 at 10:18 pmdbadass, California has tough restrictions on nocturnal emissions.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:18 pmProlife_activist, Your belief system poses a threat to the domestic tranquility of the United States of America. You can (and should) be arrested and held without charge for as long as necessary in the name of Homeland Security.
You are a beast without a soul, an animal without a conscious. You are no better than any religious fundamentalist that would seek to force his/her will on others through the use of violence. You make me sick and I hope God punishes you accordingly.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:19 pm“Conspiracy”. Look it up. Our new vile troll thinks that belonging to a terrorist movement isn’t a chargeable offense? Ha!
It, and it’s kind, will actually start to hear that knock they fear. And, just like the vicious animal that murdered Dr. Tiller, they will piss their pants and complain about being cold in jail.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:20 pmToo bad we can’t upload videos…I would get an A+…
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June 8th, 2009 at 10:20 pmGuys, don’t let Prolife_activist troll rile you up.
he’s obviously not for real. I’m not positive that he’s a progressive playing dress-up, but that’s my suspicion. Still, I suppose it could be a middle school kid calculating the best ways to get a rise out of progressives…
June 8th, 2009 at 10:22 pmExactly, like when you write and speak your belief based hatred and lies to the point that it drives people to go out and hurt someone. (see Spanish Inquisition, Salem Witchcraft, Adolf Hitler)
Yes, braindead, what you say can motivate people to cause both harm and good. There is a reason “motivational” speakers have jobs. The same reason domestic and foreign terrorists are able to recruit. The words you speak are pure evil and have no place in a civilized discourse based arena.
Get half a brain and come back, maybe we’ll listen by then.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:22 pmThey also fail to realize that there is a little thing called accomplice liablitiy…
June 8th, 2009 at 10:23 pmProlife_activist Says:
Drop dead, idiot!
June 8th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
This terrorist really has no concept of irony, does it?
FLAGGED
June 8th, 2009 at 10:25 pmI suppose it could be a joke gone too far. I’m not willing to take that chance. Anyone who would promote and defend such a position should be examined by law enforcement. I think that this is a golden opportunity to let the “Patriot act” actually serve to defend innocent people.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:27 pm#4) blastula is to ______________ as gastrula is to ________
June 8th, 2009 at 10:30 pma.)right wing ideology
b.)nut
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June 8th, 2009 at 10:35 pmThe person typing as Prolife_activist registered that name just to go into this specific thread with the hopes of riling us up by advocating murder. It has no actual opinions or ability to argue them. Therefore, there is no point arguing with it.
Although it brings up an interesting point… what would happen if someone murdered an extreme anti-abortion activist on the premise that they were advocating murder?
June 8th, 2009 at 10:39 pmdbadass Says:
#4) blastula is to ______________ as gastrula is to ________
I made a mistake, I need to rewrite my answer:
a.)right wing ideology
b.)right wing nut
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June 8th, 2009 at 10:39 pmdamn pastcaring is doing well.
Create a shoebox diarama depicting your impressions of a late term abortion.
Just kidding…
June 8th, 2009 at 10:42 pmLet’s instead go with an easy one…
Distinguish between a zygote, an embryo, a fetus, and a baby. If you wish make clay models of each. After I grade them I will just throw them in the trash but whatever you’ll still get the bonus points….
I LOVE shoebox diarama’s…I’ll be right back…
June 8th, 2009 at 10:45 pmhmmm…on second thought…
June 8th, 2009 at 10:50 pmProlife_activist doesn’t seem to wanna participate. pastcaring wins! Abortions all around…
Thanks for playing pastcaring. You are a good sport. All of us despite our differences just want abortion to be an option. No one is trying to sell them as anything more than a private and complicated decision between a medical professional and those involved. All tose other asswipes should get out of the way…
June 8th, 2009 at 11:03 pmI win I win!!! Yippee…wait…by default?
Seriously, on the abortion issue…it is a very difficult decision that no one I’ve ever known enjoys contemplating an it shouldn’t be reduced to an ideological tug of war…trying to justify killing someone, in this case, Tiller, over it is beyond me…
June 8th, 2009 at 11:31 pmI have no control over TP and don’t know if they are legally required to act on complaints made by bloggers. But, I have asked the FBI to look into it.
Tick-tock, terrorist. They are coming for you.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:51 pmSweet dreams.
Tell it to the investigating agents, terrorist. Each of your posts creates a new topic of discussion.
June 9th, 2009 at 12:03 amI emailed my local FBI office and included the whole text and links to your disturbing comments. I included my full name, phone number, and home address. I also spoke with a very tired sounding operator who assured me that I would be contacted tomorrow.
I also emailed the staff at TP (Think Progress) and asked them to contact the FBI, or appropriate authorities, and asked them to provide your personal information if it’s legal for them to do so.
June 9th, 2009 at 12:13 amPerhaps they will ignore me. Or they could tell me there’s nothing I, or they, can do. However, I won’t ignore them. Or you.
June 9th, 2009 at 12:21 amProlife_activist Says:
Drop dead, idiot!
So pro-life he wishes death upon his opponents!
June 9th, 2009 at 2:32 amJesus said the law is summed in loving God and living your neighbor.
Loving your neighbor is calling upon him to drop dead because he disagrees with you on abortion and celebrating the murder of Dr. Tiller, who knew?!
June 9th, 2009 at 2:52 amMany will call “Lord, Lord”, but I will not hear them.
~Jesus
June 9th, 2009 at 6:22 amProlife_activist Says:
You seem to have a misconception about Christian morality. The Bible says that God gave us a law, “Thou shalt not kill”. That means everybody, including Roeder.
Now, I understand you want Doctors like Tiller to stop killing as well, but for anyone to take Gods law into their own hands violates another little rule of the Bible, that judgement is the realm of God, not man. “Judge not lest ye be judged”.
Perhaps when this was written, it did not mean that God would judge you, but your fellow men would do so. In Roeder’s case, he judged Tiller to be guilty of murder, then took the law into his own hands. Now a jury of his peers will likely judge Roeder guilty of murder, and no one will have to take the law into their own hands to do it.
As for Prolife_activist, its fellow humans are judging it because it has judged Tiller guilty of murder. We find Prolife_activist guilty of Hypocrisy and that it posts a threat to the security of our Nation. Please remove it from the streets before it kills.
It tries to make excuses for its behavior. It claims that it is kind, and that it volunteers to do good acts as excuses for supporting domestic terrorism. It says that its “protective instinct” forces it to act against the law. These excuses are invalid when you violate the laws of both God and man.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:12 am