Frank Gaffney claims Obama ‘may actually still be’ a Muslim.
Frank Gaffney claims Obama ‘may actually still be’ a Muslim.
Today in his Washington Times column, right-wing commentator Frank Gaffney reviews President Obama’s speech at Cairo University last week and thinks he has stumbled onto something, that “there is mounting evidence that the president not only identifies with Muslims, but actually may still be one himself.” The evidence? “Mr. Obama referred four times in his speech to ‘the Holy Koran,’” he “established his firsthand knowledge of Islam,” and he uttered the phrase “peace be upon them” when referring to Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed. And according to Gaffney, “no believing Christian” would ever make such a statement because “for Christians, Jesus is the living and immortal Son of God.” Gaffney also throws in a Munich analogy:
The man now happy to have his Islamic-rooted middle name featured prominently has engaged in the most consequential bait-and-switch since Adolf Hitler duped Neville Chamberlain over Czechoslovakia at Munich.
The Wonk Room’s Matt Duss notes that not only does Gaffney enjoy invoking the Munich analogy, particularly in places where it doesn’t make any sense (such as this case and others), but he also isn’t to be taken seriously “as an analyst.” But, “as someone willing to cast deeply irresponsible and transparently bigoted accusations against the president,” Duss argues, “he should be taken very seriously.”
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What a tool
June 9th, 2009 at 1:27 pmYou know, I’m not a Christian, but I’m still pretty sure the Holy Bible doesn’t condone the killing of a family doctor Sunday morning in church.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:27 pm…
i notice frank
is not wearing a hat.
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June 9th, 2009 at 1:30 pmOkay, so now he’s a NaziMuslimCommiePinkoFascoSocialist.
Anything I left out?
June 9th, 2009 at 1:30 pmYou forgot “athiest”.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:31 pmThere is mounting evidence that Frank Gaffney not only identifies with warmongering idiots, but actually may still be one himself.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:32 pmThe right wing won’t be happy until they get one of their own crazies to pull a Dr. Tiller on Obama. All this hate speech rhetoric is a slow drip of poison on already sick right wing minds.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:32 pmFrank’s lookin’ a little muslim-ish himself there, rockin’ that Ayatollah beard and all….
Where’s his birth certificate!?
June 9th, 2009 at 1:32 pmjoe cantwell Says:
…
i notice frank
is not wearing a hat.
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He’s wearing the magical hat of ideas, that nobody can see, except mike steele, Harvey the giant rabbit, and of course, Joseph Smith…
June 9th, 2009 at 1:33 pmOy vey, Batman. I didn’t know learning about a Brit milah when my friend invited me to a Tu Bishvat celebration would make me Jewish.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:34 pmDNFP Says:
Okay, so now he’s a NaziMuslimCommiePinkoFascoSocialist.
Anything I left out?
Atheist, Liberal, and you could probably throw in Anarchist as well.
/I know, self-contradicting…
June 9th, 2009 at 1:34 pmso many crazies…..
June 9th, 2009 at 1:35 pmso, what took so long? … is he the first?
there’ve been hints of this since that speech…
June 9th, 2009 at 1:35 pmKnowledge of the world
June 9th, 2009 at 1:35 pmSome just see pile of big rocks
Others see the quarks
Gaffney is a torture-loving, war-mongering, neo-con apologist. He’d waterboard his grandmother for shits and giggles.
Keep keeping shining the light on him, TP.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:35 pmThere is an excellent politico article on Obama & Jesus today. http://is.gd/UNIl
As a student of religion & politics, the tenor of public discussion on these topics has become rather pointless. The media is very good at airing the more extreme and cynical viewpoints while obscuring those viewpoints that take time to think through.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:36 pm….um, Frank…
…even Ann Coulter (who doesn’t know dick) has given up on “the Chamberlain gambit”. It swayed a few rubes once upon a time, but it relies on that tricky “appeasement” word that too few mouthbreathers can remember or pronounce correctly.
Man, those Righty mouthpieces are a lazy bunch.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:36 pmWow. So he’s saying Obama is passing? Not as a white guy – as a Christian! How insidious! So much easier for the bigots when being black was the big disqualifier. Now that it’s come down to religious affiliation, which can be faked in so many directions, their paranoia runs amok.
Man. I am soooo tired of stupid.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:37 pmEndTheGOP Says:
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The right wing won’t be happy until they get one of their own crazies to pull a Dr. Tiller on Obama. All this hate speech rhetoric is a slow drip of poison on already sick right wing minds.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:38 pmAnd that is very scarey. I have also thought this.
The media is very good at airing the more extreme and cynical viewpoints while obscuring those viewpoints that take time to think through.
You mean like this?
June 9th, 2009 at 1:38 pmHow do we know Frank Gaffney is a Christian? Are we just supposed to take his word for it? I suspect he might be a Zoroastrian or a Shaker.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:39 pmand he uttered the phrase “peace be upon them” when referring to Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed. And according to Gaffney, “no believing Christian” would ever make such a statement because “for Christians, Jesus is the living and immortal Son of God.”
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Yes, truly. How could any self-respecting, believing, God-fearing Christian ever wish peace upon anyone?
June 9th, 2009 at 1:39 pm.
TYPO ALERT: That’s “Analist,” not “Analyst.” Common error. Of course, there is no such thing as a right-wing analyst. They don’t need them. They have all their pre-conceived notions in place. They just super-impose them on whatever they see. No analysis involved, ever.
Their “thought” doesn’t actually go beyond the bumper-sticker stage.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:40 pm.
As hanshiro so wisely noted the other day:
The MSM needs to be overthrown by journalist.
PEACE
June 9th, 2009 at 1:40 pmGiven this thread and the Michael Steele thread I guess I need to burn my Shriners’ Fez.
Does anyone know of any doctor who can undo a circumcision?
June 9th, 2009 at 1:42 pmThis is the same guy who says Iraq was responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing. I’m not sure how crazy people like that get published, but the Washington Times is a piece of garbage anyway…
June 9th, 2009 at 1:44 pmGaffney is a moronic war-mongerer, who would never put himself in harms way…..yet he will put himself out there as an expert on the issue. He just can’t correlate the difference between dropping bombs on people and placating understanding and respect to people. Sad.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:46 pmYano why Gaffney wears a tie?
to keep his foreskin from closing over his head and suffocating him…
June 9th, 2009 at 1:46 pmI am very much in favor of giving Gaffney the media coverage of his statements. I believe everyone should have the opportunity to make a fool of himself in the public arena. And Gaffney has certainly taken advantage of the opportunity.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:47 pmFranky is an idiot.
Since when do Muslims have their kinds Baptized as Christians?
Face it fox Obama is a Christian.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:47 pmGaffney is actually a Zionist.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:49 pmthat should read kids not kinds.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:49 pmAt least we can hope the Mooney Times complies with Godwin’s Law.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:52 pmSo what if he is one of the 1.8 BILLION muslims in the world. What does that actually have to do with the presidency of the United States.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:52 pmGee, Frank, ever hear of Google? Diplomacy? Common sense?
June 9th, 2009 at 1:52 pmIf you’re going to address a group of people, don’t you think it’s a good idea to know something about them? Do some basic research so you don’t look like a complete moron? Figure out what to say to get your audience on your side instead of pissing them off and giving them a reason to throw shoes at you?
Don’t you think it’s especially important when you are REPRESENTING AN ENTIRE NATION?
That pinhead Bush might have thought it was OK to wing it, but that’s why the rest of the world thinks we’re idiots.
Leftside Annie Claims Frank Gaffney ‘Unquestionably Still Is’ A Moron.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:53 pmGee golly whiz, a President who is capable of understanding and respecting anything. Since he also made references to the Torah, is he also a closet Jew?
May GW rot in whatever nasty place he deserves for lowering the standards for the office of President.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:54 pmWhat is with these reich-wing tools? Do they all just pull stupid, non-sequiter comments out of their asses? The next thing you know, he will be accusing Obama of boiling puppies and doing “Black” magic in the White House!!
June 9th, 2009 at 1:55 pmI am curious who exactly listens to Gaffney. After researching his other writing/op eds and talking head appearances on the “news”, it is obvious this guy is nuttier than a squirrel turd.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:59 pmGafney sez “Obama has engaged in the most consequential bait-and-switch since Adolf Hitler duped Neville Chamberlain over Czechoslovakia at Munich.
Gee, he seems to know an awful lot about what Adolf Hitler did…..HE MUST BE A NAZI!!!!!!
June 9th, 2009 at 2:00 pmWhat else would you expect from an @sshat who was a founding member of PNAC?
June 9th, 2009 at 2:00 pmHis best friends are William Kristol, Robert Kagan, Richard Perle–to the point that his nickname was “Perle’s Bulldog.”
June 9th, 2009 at 2:01 pmthe Republicans have pushed all the moderates out of their party
there is only room for the most rabid of wingnuts in their continuously shrinking tent
June 9th, 2009 at 2:02 pmHe got it wrong. Obama isn’t a muslim. He is a socialist. Keep printing that worthless paper money, Obama. That is going to drive the economy into the dirt.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:03 pmThe Holy Koran.
The Holy Koran.
The Holy Koran.
The Holy Koran.
There. I’m a Muslim now.
Easiest. Conversion. Ever.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:04 pmHow can this guy think that President Obama is still a Muslim. That is ridiculous, everybody knows that he went to a Christian church with a racist preacher for 20 years.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:04 pmOMG! I studied Arabic in college! Oh, ouch, the pain, I’m a Muslim!
Oh wait, I studied Russian too. Now I am really confused.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:08 pmEven if it were true that Obama was actually a Muslim (which he’s not), who cares? As I recall, the U.S. Constitution is very specific about no religious litmus test is allowed to be considered for office.
Trade the word Muslim for Jew or Catholic (I remember the “fear” about JFK when he ran for President), and Gaffney’s true being is completely revealed. Take us back a few more years, and maybe Gaffney would be saying “Obama is actually (secretly) Black!”
June 9th, 2009 at 2:10 pmYeah clearly Obama should have made a “Yes to Jesus” tour to the Muslim world to prove hes not secret Muslim
June 9th, 2009 at 2:11 pmlol – these neocon fools can’t decide what to label Obama so they’re throwing everything including the kitchen sink at him.
He’s a socialist! No, he’s a traitor! I mean a Muslim traitor!
They’re just hoping something will stick, trying to undermine Obama with doubts and the stupid people may just buy it.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:15 pmSimple, you’re a Greek Orthodox Christian Sunni Shiite Muslim Arab tracing your roots back to the 9th Century Pagan Sweden.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:16 pmRUC Claims that Frank Gaffney may still be an idiot.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:16 pmIt’s ironic that today on Politico they’re running a story entitled: “Obama invokes Jesus more than Bush”.
And excerpt from that story.
Clearly President Obama is not a Muslim. But what if he were? Most Americans wouldn’t have a problem with that I imagine. After all America’s not a Christian nation. It’s a multi-faith, multi-belief system nation. All faiths are welcomed here. In fact the Jewish religion is very prominent throughout the halls of power, especially in the media and entertainment industries. So if President Obama were a Muslim, why would that be so significant.
Here’s why.
There’s a significant group that is growing in numbers of radical right wing extremists, who are capable of extreme acts of violence, as we saw last week with the slaying of Doctor Tiller by one of them.
Muslims are on the top of their hate list, particularly since 911. It’s easy to get them to want to kill Muslims. Remember post 911? The first few years after? When all the Muslim shop owners and such were in danger and some were attacked?
So what Gaffney is doing here, like many other right wing figureheads, is placating to this crowd, and literally “egging them on”.
Muslims attacked us on 911, i.e. far right wing extremists hate Muslims and would like to kill Muslims, i.e. tell them where the Muslims are that are doing the most damage to America and they will go kill them.
In other words, what Frank Gaffney, and the others like Limbaugh, most of Fox News “Fox and Friends”, etc, are doing, is making a subtle albeit clear call to the extremists out there, to assassinate the President.
First the warn of the dangers he is committing.
They warn people he is “turning America into a socialist country”.
Then they go on TV and the radio and say things like “he’s the greatest danger to our country”.
Then, they finish up by painting the bulls-eye on him, saying “look, he’s a Muslim”.
Then they sit back, and let the radical right wing extremists, do their work.
There comes a point where free speech crosses a line, even for this died in the wool free speech advocate, and they’re crossing it.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:17 pmright wingers will believe anything
they believe he’s a socialist
they believe he’s a muslim
they believe liberals think he’s the messiah
of course, they also believe that all liberals are a bunch of rich hollywood elitists living on welfare and having kids for a living
right wingers are not very bright
June 9th, 2009 at 2:18 pmPeace be upon you… D’oh! Now I’m a Muslim too :(
June 9th, 2009 at 2:19 pmpags2 Says:
I am very much in favor of giving Gaffney the media coverage of his statements. I believe everyone should have the opportunity to make a fool of himself in the public arena. And Gaffney has certainly taken advantage of the opportunity.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
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Unfortunately, conservative idiots like Gaffney and JohnM and kwsventures aren’t dissuaded by having their idiocy exposed to the world. They just think it’s free publicity at best and validation at worst.
If you repeat a lie enough time, it becomes the truth. Or at least truthiness.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:21 pmIs Gaffney Christian? Because I’m pretty sure there’s something in the Bible about bearing false witness.
If I’m not mistaken, God is agin‘ it…
June 9th, 2009 at 2:21 pmif there was a god, gaffney would spontaneously combust
June 9th, 2009 at 2:22 pmgalmud Says:
Peace be upon you… D’oh! Now I’m a Muslim too :(
June 9th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
السلام عليكم يا إخواني على “ثينك بروغرس”
OMG it’s contagious!!!
June 9th, 2009 at 2:24 pmBush issues Ramadan greeting
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/nov/16/afghanistan.terrorism18
June 9th, 2009 at 2:24 pmSo if Obama’s familiarity with and understanding of Islam makes him our first Muslim president, did that make George W. Bush our first Saudi president?
June 9th, 2009 at 2:27 pmNope, it made him our second idiot puppet President.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:28 pmHoodathunktick Says:
Nope, it made him our second idiot puppet President.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
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Who was the first? I nominate Warren G. Harding…
June 9th, 2009 at 2:30 pmTH, how did you post in Arabic? (I’m still trying to translate at max zoom)
June 9th, 2009 at 2:31 pmCTH, I’m sort of sticking with reasonably contemporary Presidents. Harding is a pretty good start for the idiot part though.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:33 pmEarth to Gaffney: At the present time there is a congressman from Minnesota who is Muslim.
Who knows, some day he might even be president.
Would that be such a horrific thing ?
June 9th, 2009 at 2:34 pmimagine how ignorant you’d have to be to think that Obama has to be a Muslim because you think he’s not a Christian!
the trolls are such pathetic losers
they STILL won’t get educated in person, they always fail to show up for school
I guess it’s because they are such cowards
June 9th, 2009 at 2:35 pmProud is on your ignore list.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:35 pmProud, since you haven’t got the hang of being a Christian, don’t overtax yourself with anything else.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:36 pmPachydiplax de St. Augustine Says:
Proud is on your ignore list.
Who?
June 9th, 2009 at 2:36 pmOFnF works for Proud
June 9th, 2009 at 2:38 pmGuys like Gaffney are putting the target on Obama’s back, and mark my words – when someone fires, they’ll disavow any involvement.
Forget about sticks and stones – words do hurt.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:38 pmSorry, Pachy. You be correct.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:38 pmWait! I think I stumbled upon something.
NOT ONCE did PRESIDENT OBAMA address and thank the troops for their support and courage during Stephan Colbert’s skit in Iraq.
NOT ONCE!
(See, I can stir $hit up, too! And I’m not lying, because he thanked the troops at the beginning, and the end. Thus NOT ONCE).
Is this the kind of elementary bull we continue to see?
We get it.
You don’t like a “black” man in power.
But stop making $hit up!!!
June 9th, 2009 at 2:39 pmThe day of Obama’s speech while driving in my car, I heard Pat Buchanan on the Sean Hannity show say EXACTLY the same thing. He was saying all the right-wing crazy stuff about Obama being a Muslim and I was surprised because he doesn’t say stuff like that on MSNBC anymore (he used to) now that it’s been debunked. I looked all over my favorite news sites (like this one) for a couple of days and never heard that mentioned. Pat and Sean were going ON AND ON about how he was a Muslim – I wish someone had the audio of that show!
June 9th, 2009 at 2:40 pmSee? The “big dogs” spread it on the airwaves, and then the little dogs spread it on the web.
Note the ignoring of the thread, the posts, etc, which say nothing about being a Muslim being a bad thing.
Note the changing of the story from Gaffney declaring the President a Muslim, to false claims that the President “came out” as one.
Zero truth.
All lies.
All hate and arrogant, Nazi like hubris.
This is how fascism rises in a country. These are the seeds.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:41 pmFrank Gaffney reviews President Obama’s speech at Cairo University last week and thinks he has stumbled onto something, that “there is mounting evidence that the president not only identifies with Muslims, but actually may still be one himself.” The evidence? “Mr. Obama referred four times in his speech to ‘the Holy Koran,’” he “established his firsthand knowledge of Islam,” and he uttered the phrase “peace be upon them” when referring to Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed. And according to Gaffney, “no believing Christian” would ever make such a statement because “for Christians, Jesus is the living and immortal Son of God.”
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The old adage, don’t beat up the messenger because of the message doesn’t apply here. The messenger has deliberately perverted the Christian faith and has brought shame upon himself. There is nothing in the teachings of Christ that would remotely support Gaffney’s premise. President Obama spoke as a true Christian would be expect to speak extending respect to an audience that believes in a one “God of love”. What Mr. Gaffney has illustrated is his support for a hateful, vengeful god, but not the true Christ.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:42 pmGaffney is a paranoid war monger. Actually
June 9th, 2009 at 2:43 pmI think he may be a Morman…….or worse.
if there was a god, all the trolls would go away
June 9th, 2009 at 2:43 pmHoodathunktick Says:
TH, how did you post in Arabic? (I’m still trying to translate at max zoom)
June 9th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
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I tapped it out in BabelPad and converted to NCR string literals. I forgot to bold, though, which is why it’s so unreadably small.
I just said “peace be upon you, my brothers at ThinkProgress.” Yes, I could’ve translated the name to تفكر التقدّم but I got lazy. :)
June 9th, 2009 at 2:44 pmWhat makes me wonder is why everybody always ignore the crazy things Pat Buchanan says all the time – he’s just as bad as Bill O, Sean, Beck, Rush, and the rest.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:45 pmI really don’t give a shit what religion he is. Doesn’t change the fact that hes a liberal socialist.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:46 pmYou know, referring to someone by a title and one he never claimed, is sort of rude. The name is Jesus (or Yeshua for the non-anglicized) bar Joseph.
Christ is a derivative of the Greek Kristos or King.
It ain’t his last name.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:47 pmAnd I may be wrong, but didn’t PRESIDENT Obama start one of his speeches in the Middle East with “I am a Christian…”?
June 9th, 2009 at 2:47 pmDecember 10, 2002
President Bush: Koran is God’s word
THE PRESIDENT:
Thank you very much, sir. It’s good to be with you again. And it is my honor to visit the Islamic Center of Washington once again.
For half a century, this beautiful mosque has served as a place of worship for Muslims and has helped to advance understanding between people of different faiths. Millions of our fellow Americans practice the Muslim faith. They lead lives of honesty and justice and compassion.
I am pleased to join you today in the celebration of Eid, the culmination of the Holy Month of Ramadan. I appreciate so very much Dr. Khouj, and I want to thank the other distinguished imam from the Washington, D.C. area. Thank you all for being here. And I enjoyed our visit. I also appreciate the Muslim schoolchildren who are here, telling me stories and reading poems and showing the art work. Please tell them thanks again for their hospitality.
Islam traces its origins back to God’s call on Abraham. And Ramadan commemorates the revelation of God’s word in the Holy Koran to the prophet Mohammad — a word that is read and recited with special attention and reverence by Muslims during this season.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:48 pmHip Hip Hooray for us non denomination liberal socialists!
June 9th, 2009 at 2:48 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
I really don’t give a shit what religion he is. Doesn’t change the fact that hes a liberal socialist.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
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And exactly what is wrong with socialism?
June 9th, 2009 at 2:48 pmJimmy Small Balls comes out to show his cowardice
not necessary, as his fearfulness was already well known
June 9th, 2009 at 2:50 pmliberal socialist sounds a whole lot better than racist demagogue. Or free market capitalist.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:50 pmAnd please differentiate “Peace be UPON you” with “Peace be WITH you”, uttered in churches worldwide.
I’ll wait.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:51 pmIt’s also a Muslim tradition for men to hold hands as a sign of respect, and to kiss.
And George W Bush did a lot more than just utter a common Muslim greeting, much like Christians who say to a Jew on Hanukkah, “Shalom”.
No, Bush did much more than that.
Bush held hands with King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud, a SUNNI MUSLIM King. And what’s more, he SMOOCHED with him.
And to finish off that odd, good ole boy demonstration of male bonding, he even walked him through the flower garden to admire all the pretty flowers.
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Think I’m wrong?
Watch it here.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=109968&title=gorgeous-flowers?source=SEO_SSP_Y&intcmp=SEO_SSP_Y&extcmp=SEO_SSP_Y
June 9th, 2009 at 2:53 pmAlishye Says:
What makes me wonder is why everybody always ignore the crazy things Pat Buchanan says all the time – he’s just as bad as Bill O, Sean, Beck, Rush, and the rest.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
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Have you actually heard Buchanan speak? His volume is a good 15-20 decibels lower than the rest of those guys. If he wants his hate speech to be heard he needs to take some voice lessons or tweak the gain a bit.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:53 pmMr. Gaffney:
Please explain to the class why, even if Obama was a Muslim (which he is not), that would be perfectly okay, as this country is open to people of all faiths or no faith, so sayeth the Constitution.
We’ll wait.
Also, Mr. Gaffney, the Episcopalians say “Peace be with you.” Is that acceptable, or are they actually Islamic?
June 9th, 2009 at 2:53 pmIt’s about the honesty of the President of the United States!
June 9th, 2009 at 2:55 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
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I really don’t give a shit what religion he is. Doesn’t change the fact that hes a liberal socialist.
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Jimmy, about time you realize that liberal socialists aren’t all that bad. If you just get your big head out of your fat Republican A@@ and think.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:56 pmRomartin16985 Says:
It’s about the honesty of the President of the United States!
You mean you agree that the President was being honest about wanting to back away from the previous administrations war mongering and actually wanted to show he had respect for a religious group with about equal numbers to Xtianists?
June 9th, 2009 at 2:58 pmApparently you’ve never heard of George H W Bush’s and Ronald Reagans, “Resolution Trust Corporation”, where the US Government took over the failing Savings and Loans, just like they’re doing now. And just like now the banks paid back the money.
Or didn’t you see today that 10 of the largest banks are paying back billions of the bailout money, ALREADY.
For some reason it’s ok when a republican does it, right?
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Just not when a democrat does it.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:59 pmDRxJapanese Beetle Says:
And please differentiate “Peace be UPON you” with “Peace be WITH you”, uttered in churches worldwide.
I’ll wait.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
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Not to mention that the greeting in Arabic uses the plural of “you,” so technically it’s “Peace be upon Y’ALL.” If that ain’t middle American, I don’t know what it is…
June 9th, 2009 at 3:01 pmHitler was a socialist….
June 9th, 2009 at 3:01 pmPerhaps not.
But this ain’t socialism.
The governments bailed out the banks and big business MANY times throughout our fledgling democracies history, both on a republicans and a democrats watch.
This has all happened before, and will likely happen again.
And when it happens on a republicans watch, they’ll say “huh, who?”.
And when it happens on a democrats watch, they’ll scream “SOCIALIST!”.
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Or are we forgetting that just last year George W Bush ALSO bailed out the banks? To the tune of 700 BILLION, with a capital “B”.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:01 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Hitler was a socialist….
June 9th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
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That doesn’t answer my question of why socialism is bad.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:02 pmand Jimmy Big bucks is head of a multinational company.
Fantasy is fantasy.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:03 pmsmidget Says:
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Mr. Gaffney:
Please explain to the class why, even if Obama was a Muslim (which he is not), that would be perfectly okay, as this country is open to people of all faiths or no faith, so sayeth the Constitution.
We’ll wait.
Also, Mr. Gaffney, the Episcopalians say “Peace be with you.” Is that acceptable, or are they actually Islamic?
smidget
June 9th, 2009 at 3:04 pmCatholics also recite “peace be with you” during the liturgy of the Mass. I guess Catholics aren’t true Christians either. Good point.
Sounds like Mr. Gaffney belongs to an exclusive christian club with their own god. I am glad I am not one of them!!!!!!
(hateful, nasty and lots of gold)
Romain16985, I recommended your post!!!
I’m so glad we agree.
That was an honest speech from an honest Christian!
FCK Frank and his false accusations!!!
June 9th, 2009 at 3:04 pmMany of those banks have been wanting to pay back that money for a long time, or never wanted it in the first place but were FORCED to take it.
Oh yeah, Obama is still keeping control over them though. And isn’t it wonderful how much money we’re making on the deal, as if this is not a drop in the bucket of what’s being spent.
ITS ALL ABOUT GOVERNMENT CONTROL AND DIVERTING YOUR ATTENTION!
June 9th, 2009 at 3:04 pmbeetle,
I know you know that’s not what I meant, I would just ignore you but lets get the record straight -
It’s about the honesty of the President or lack thereof!
June 9th, 2009 at 3:07 pmflight
I’m proud to say that I cannot count myself among their numbers either. Lack of faith has worked out very well for me so far. :)
June 9th, 2009 at 3:09 pmBy this reasoning, I should be a Muslim as well, since I greet my Muslim family with the typical Muslim greeting (which by the way was used by Christians many years ago as well) I do have some knowledge of Muslim traditions and teachings, and my last name is Muslim. I guess by this man’s reasoning the fact that I attend a Christian church, have a cross tattooed on me, are just a false sign.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:09 pmRomain16985,
I agree wholeheartedly!
It is about the honesty of the President!
And what an honest speech from an honest Christian it was!!!
No lack thereof at all!
Glad to have you on board, partner!!!
June 9th, 2009 at 3:09 pmNo, …Jimmy is a moron.
Hitler was a member of the “National Socialist German Workers Party”, which was a far right extremist party that mirrored the ideas of the Fascist party in Italy.
They called themselves the National Socialist German Workers Party, as a ploy to garner more even handed support, but the Nazi Party was not even remotely associated with socialism.
It was Nationalism, and far right extremism.
And the speeches of the Nazi leaders, like Goering, Goebells and Hitler, can be heard today on the far right extremist airways, by men like Rush Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter.
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Like I always tell you goosesteppers.
You should try learning something about history, prior to setting out to make it.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:10 pmIs it raining in your world today beetle?
June 9th, 2009 at 3:10 pmRomartin16985 Says:
It’s about the honesty of the President or lack thereof!
June 9th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
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Stop posting. Nobody here gives a damn what you have to say.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:12 pmtoasterhead
You are wrong, I have had many good debates.
Mind your own business.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:13 pmbenji85 Says:
I guess by this man’s reasoning the fact that I attend a Christian church, have a cross tattooed on me, are just a false sign.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
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Yup. You’re not fooling anybody, you crazy Islamical.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:15 pmau contraire, toasterhead.
I do care.
Romain16985 has shown compassion by at least admitting PRESIDENT Obama’s speech was honest.
That’s a first step.
Besides, Romain wouldn’t purposely post $hit without backing it up, no would it?
June 9th, 2009 at 3:15 pmRomartin16985 Says:
Mind your own business.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Stop posting. Nobody here gives a damn what you have to say.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:16 pmRomartin16985 Says:
toasterhead
You are wrong, I have had many good debates.
Mind your own business.
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ro,
are you wearing a hat?
thank you.
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June 9th, 2009 at 3:16 pmRomartin16985 Says:
Many of those banks have been wanting to pay back that money for a long time, or never wanted it in the first place but were FORCED to take it.
News Flash….Obama administration holds gun to head of banks saying take the money or die!
Like a bank on the edge of failure needs to be forced to accept money. Teehee.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:16 pmDRxJapanese Beetle Says:
Romain16985 has shown compassion by at least admitting PRESIDENT Obama’s speech was honest.
That’s a first step.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
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Ok, fair enough. I’ll give him that. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then, eh?
June 9th, 2009 at 3:17 pmRomain16985 Says:
You are wrong, I have had many good debates.
Mind your own business.
Is it raining in world today romaine?
June 9th, 2009 at 3:17 pmYea but we don’t mean with yourself.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:18 pm. . . and Gaffney may still be a butt boy for wealthy wingnuts!
June 9th, 2009 at 3:20 pmFrank Gaffney actually is still a dipshit……
June 9th, 2009 at 3:21 pmSince O’Racist likes to rape women with falafel, does that make him Arabic?
–Dr. Hussein Matt
No, I think it makes him CheezWhiz!?!?
Unfortunately, all the TV shows will have Gafftooth on to talk about his erroneous statement but then allow him to go on and on and on bashing the President with ZERO facts to back up what he has said.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:22 pmWhen does someone lose enough credibility to NOT be asked to appear on these TV programs?
Even Sen. John McCain “debunked” this myth when confronting one of his far-right fringe audience members during last fall’s campaign! Gafftooth must not have gotten the memo!
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the hat question.
trolls fear the hat question.
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June 9th, 2009 at 3:24 pmBadger1 Says:
Since O’Racist likes to rape women with falafel, does that make him Arabic?
No, I think it makes him CheezWhiz!?!?
June 9th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
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Ewwwwww! CheezWhiz on falafel?!
June 9th, 2009 at 3:24 pmWhy do so many people have a hard time accepting the fact that Obama is a Christian?
June 9th, 2009 at 3:28 pmArguing with the irrational is pointless. We have many people of the Muslim faith in the US and last I checked, they hadn’t been placed in camps.
We are allied or friendly with many Muslim nations such as Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey, Jordan, Pakistan and many others.
The Republican fear meme of Muslims are bad and evil is irrational and therefore undebatable. Gaffney’s comments are fear mongering propaganda with no basis in rationality or reality.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:41 pmThese haters, Gaffney, Palin, Jon Voigt are just throwing out all the buzz words they can think of to get a whack job with a gun take a shot. It worked for Dr. Tiller so they know they’re on the right track.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:45 pmMore gibberish from the PNAC gallery
June 9th, 2009 at 3:47 pmThe problem with Gaffney’s attack,for fundamentalist Christians is that the only way one becomes a Christian is a personal acceptance of Christ. Catholicism required continued loyalty and obedience to the Church, and tyhere are all sorts of objective tests you can apply. But Protestants? Fundamentalists flit around from church to church to find a congregation they like, and set themselves up as pastors merely because they feel like it. There’s no ritual, no practice that’s essential to fundamentalist Christianity. Only that profession, the acceptance of Christ.
Call Barack Obama’s profession into question, and you call everyone’s. A right-wing Christian who’s religiously sincere would find this vastly disturbing. It’s not a good idea to point out how fragile it all is.
But with Islam that’s not the case. There are clear requirements set out in the Holy Koran. Iman, Salah, Zakah, Sawm and Hajj. Faith, prayer, charity, fasting and pilgrimage. Prayer 5 times a day is not an optional thing that can be dispensed with in a good cause. Nor is fasting during Ramadan. Obama sprnds a whole day without getting down on his knees, facing Mecca? He’s not a Muslim. Drink alcohol? Eat in daylight during Ramadan? Not a Muslim. And there is no Muslim priesthood that could exempt one from these requirements: It’s in the book. You do it. No excuses and no interpretations.
The American Right toy with Christianity anyway. Georg W Bush, who never went to church, is a devout Christian Ann Coulter (Ann Coulter!) can set herself up as a devout christian. And the strident Atheism of the Ayn Randists bothers them not at all. But you can slag Barack Obama’s Christianity all you want.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:49 pmICIYAR.
With apologies to Martin Luther:
I would rather be ruled by a wise Muslim than an unwise
June 9th, 2009 at 3:51 pmChristian.
chiroptera toasterhead Says:
Unfortunately, conservative idiots like Gaffney and JohnM and kwsventures aren’t dissuaded by having their idiocy exposed to the world. They just think it’s free publicity at best and validation at worst.
If you repeat a lie enough time, it becomes the truth. Or at least truthiness.
Your statement may be true if you watch and believe Fox News. I have more faith in the average voter. They did vote Obama into office which means they are not buying the snake oil the Republicans are selling.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:53 pmYou know, they’d be a little more credible claiming Obama was a space alien at this point…
June 9th, 2009 at 4:23 pmHere comes the neocon cabal. Kristol will quickly agree and elaborate!
Why does anyone listen to these people? How do these people manage to stay employed???
June 9th, 2009 at 4:23 pmRomartin16985 Says:
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You are wrong, I have had many good debates.
Mind your own business.
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June 9th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
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June 9th, 2009 at 4:39 pmJust a clarification . Catholics first and formost must devolope a personal acceptance of Christ as savior and God.
The Catholic Church is Crist’s Church and it has been for 2000 years. Catholics are loyal to Crist and His Church.
As a Catholic, I beleive anyone can please God. It is not an exclusive club, but an inclusive club.
Gaffney = Terrorist Sympathizer.
G = Gutless
O = Old
P = Pussies
Oh, I just bought a can of FREEZE A TROLL and for its first use, I sprayed it on PROUD MORON.
But I can’t resist the temptation to use my SMACKDOWN® Troll Killer.
June 9th, 2009 at 4:42 pmThis man is a tool. He doesn’t bother to google the meaning of the president’s name. Barack=Blessed, Hussein=handsome (or good looking) boy. Also, he’d find that the name Barack and the name Hussein are names that have a history of use throughout Jewish and Arab history. He further puts his ignorance on display for all to see when he only points out that Hussein is Muslim in origin. People like him bore me to no end. I can tolerate a person not knowing something, but I cannot tolerate someone who demonstrates pure ignorance, stupidity and intolerance.
June 9th, 2009 at 4:44 pmI claim that Gaffney is a dishonest, racist idiot. Although, given his comments, it’s not just a claim, it’s been proven.
June 9th, 2009 at 4:48 pmmajii Says:
This man is a tool. He doesn’t bother to google the meaning of the president’s name. Barack=Blessed, Hussein=handsome (or good looking) boy. Also, he’d find that the name Barack and the name Hussein are names that have a history of use throughout Jewish and Arab history. He further puts his ignorance on display for all to see when he only points out that Hussein is Muslim in origin. People like him bore me to no end. I can tolerate a person not knowing something, but I cannot tolerate someone who demonstrates pure ignorance, stupidity and intolerance.
And not to mention Gaffney’s own words only entice rednecks like Proud and his ilk to pull a “Tilley” on the POTUS by using buzzwords such as Muslim to target Obama for an assassination.
It all goes to show that hate speech is the master vehicle used by the lunatic fringe far right wing to incite such violence on those who they target both individually or towards a certain group they puke their hate at.
June 9th, 2009 at 4:51 pmeyeswideopen1 Says:
Here comes the neocon cabal. Kristol will quickly agree and elaborate!
Why does anyone listen to these people? How do these people manage to stay employed???
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I think it was J. Carville, in one of his books,who said that these people are under written by large corporations.
June 9th, 2009 at 4:51 pmflight Says:
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.The old adage, don’t beat up the messenger because of the message doesn’t apply here. The messenger has deliberately perverted the Christian faith and has brought shame upon himself. There is nothing in the teachings of Christ that would remotely support Gaffney’s premise. President Obama spoke as a true Christian would be expect to speak extending respect to an audience that believes in a one “God of love”. What Mr. Gaffney has illustrated is his support for a hateful, vengeful god, but not the true Christ.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
bit doesn’t believe you have any authority for making the following statement: President Obama spoke as a true Christian would be expect to speak extending respect to an audience that believes in a one “God of love”.
There is nothing in the New Testament that suggests that all religions – religious pluralism – are to be respected. Your remark reflects a political view, not a religious one.
In addition the following statement; ““peace be upon them” when referring to Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed,” serves a specific purpose to Muslims. Mentioning Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed is more that simply mentioning three famous religious leaders. These names are the names of Jewish, Christian and Islam religious leaders, but the real meaning is even a bit more subtle. Muslims say the three are all prophets of God, and they emphatically deny that God has a Son; that is, they emphatically deny that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Islam does claim that Christ was a prophet, so when the name Jesus and Mohammed are used together Muslims are claiming that they are equal – both are prophets.
bit doesn’t believe this is an appropriate statement for a Christian to make.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:06 pmWhere is the evidence that god had a son? Who did god knock up?
June 9th, 2009 at 5:18 pmwell of course I know that little virgin tale but what I really ment is who does god do it with like on a regular basis? Does the big guy have like a steady or is god more of a player? Where do gods go to meet gods of the opposite gender? So many questions….
June 9th, 2009 at 5:20 pmbitblt Says:
There is nothing in the New Testament that suggests that all religions – religious pluralism – are to be respected. Your remark reflects a political view, not a religious one.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
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And yet it is clearly written in the Qur’aan that Christianity and Judaism are to be respected.
I guess Christianity really isn’t a religion of peace after all, huh bitbit?
June 9th, 2009 at 5:23 pmdbadass Says:
Where is the evidence that god had a son? Who did god knock up?
June 9th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
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On the other hand, aren’t we all sons of God, if He created us all in His image?
June 9th, 2009 at 5:24 pmdbadass Says:
Where is the evidence that god had a son? Who did god knock up?
June 9th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
That the Creator has a Son is reported in the New Testament, a part of the Bible – Holy Bible. This event was prophesied in the Old Testament.
You can read about it in the Gospels. bit suggests you start with the book of John. John 3:16 is a succinct summary of what happened.
bit doesn’t believe that posting on TP is improving your intellectual responses.
BTW, one doesn’t have faith in evidence. The book of Hebrews says faith is necessary to please God, should doing so ever be of interest to you.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:28 pmhoodathunkit – The real world doesn’t always operate the way you describe, it is more nuanced than that, but I’m not surprised this escapes you.
Anyway, now that it’s okay to talk about Obama’s Muslim father and his experiences with Islam, of course there are questions, as this was taboo during his campaign!
June 9th, 2009 at 5:29 pmchiroptera toasterhead Says:
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dbadass Says:
Where is the evidence that god had a son? Who did god knock up?
June 9th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
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On the other hand, aren’t we all sons of God, if He created us all in His image?
June 9th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
So if you believe we all sons of God because we were created in God’s image, then don’t you believe that abortion is a reprehensible action against the Creator, who created life?
June 9th, 2009 at 5:32 pmNo
June 9th, 2009 at 5:33 pmbitblt Says:
There is nothing in the New Testament that suggests that all religions – religious pluralism – are to be respected. Your remark reflects a political view, not a religious one.
There are a lot of ecumenical groups who would disagree. Are you saying Christians who tolerate the existence of other faiths aren’t really Christian? In that case, you’re going to have to kill a lot of people before your current Crusade is over, many of them Christians.
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bitblt Says:
In addition the following statement; ““peace be upon them” when referring to Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed,” serves a specific purpose to Muslims…
bit doesn’t believe this is an appropriate statement for a Christian to make.
Peace be upon you, bitblt. That’s not a secret code, it’s pretty damn clear. As a matter of fact, Jesus used to say it all the time.
Grouping Moses/Jesus/Mohammed together might follow a tradition of holding them as being of roughly equal holiness, but the tradition of using that phrase does not require adherence to any specific theological tenet. It’s just a tradition of respect and wishing well to others. Something you are congenitally incapable of understanding.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:35 pmUsing his criteria, and the fact I ordered from the menu at Taco Bell last night.
I am the president of Mexico.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:39 pmbitblt,
June 9th, 2009 at 5:42 pmYou may spent your time with the literal interpitation of the New Testment, that is your right. I sincerely believe you have entirely missed Christ’s point. Think of the greateat commandment Christ gave us. Gaffeny was not speaking in the spirit of this law. Yes, as Christians we must repect anothers beliefs, for we can not know if they are pleasing the Lord with their life works. My belief as a Christian is in no way contigent on your beliefs but I must respect your beliefs in a singular God.
Simply put, respect of another person is how the world should get along. President Obama did a fine job of demonstrating this and is setting a fine example to the rest of the world, and this alone would please the good Lord.
Grouping Moses/Jesus/Mohammed together might follow a tradition of holding them as being of roughly equal holiness, but the tradition of using that phrase does not require adherence to any specific theological tenet. It’s just a tradition of respect and wishing well to others. Something you are congenitally incapable of understanding.
bit believes he accurately described how mentioning these names together is interpreted by Muslims.
However, strictly speaking using that phrase does not require adherence to any specific theological tenet this is a statement with which bit agrees. OTOH, bit accepted some time ago that his thinking is not the same as a typical Muslim. You might want to work with the idea that not everyone is as open-minded or tolerant as you, or bit.
Even bit isn’t as leading or deceptive as you.
bit believes the remark in BHO’s speech was a code phrase. After all there would be no reason to use the phrase with a Christian audience.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:43 pmHow can bit know how a Muslim interprets words? Is it possible bit is really a closeted Muslim?
June 9th, 2009 at 5:48 pmdbadass Says:
How can bit know how a Muslim interprets words? Is it possible bit is really a closeted Muslim?
June 9th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Cheap shot… even for dbadass.
http://www.ldolphin.org/islamprimer.html
So if the Quran specifically denies Jesus as the Sone of God, what would be BHO’s purpose in mentioning these three big religous names?
June 9th, 2009 at 5:54 pmbitblt Says:
bit believes the remark in BHO’s speech was a code phrase.
bit believes a lot of stupid things. But in this instance, bit is correct. It’s code for “I don’t hate you for your religion and I respect your right to practice it.”
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bitblt Says:
The Quran is overtly anti-Christ. It denies his death and resurrection.
Jews also deny Christ’s death and resurrection. So… death to Israel?
Not believing Jesus is the risen-from-the-dead, only-begotten Son of God sent to redeem the sins of mankind does not make one anti-Christian, it only makes one not a Christian.
If you’re hereby declaring war on behalf of Christianity on all non-Christians in the world, prepare to get your ass kicked.
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bitblt Says:
So if the Quran specifically denies Jesus as the Sone of God, what would be BHO’s purpose in mentioning these three big religous names?
You want to know his purpose? Let’s go to the text:
There’s his purpose, right there. You don’t need any secret codes, you can just read what he’s saying: the “Holy Land” has historically been fought over by three closely related faiths, and maybe they should get along with each other instead.
June 9th, 2009 at 6:14 pmbitblt,
June 9th, 2009 at 6:32 pmI truly think you have completely missed the entire premise of Christianity. How do you propose you are to deliver the word of God with arrogance and contempt? The Christ I believe in would never accept the behavior.
Heh. db hit home called bitbutt a closet Muslim. :D
June 9th, 2009 at 7:20 pm“Frank Gaffney claims Obama ‘may actually still be’ a Muslim.”
lol Good lord, here we go. We are back to the same old tired ass theme: Is Obama a muslim? The wingnuts that are clinging to their pearls everyday and this clown Gaffney have nothing else left to attack Obamawith except his heritage, the nauseating attack on Obama’s birth certificate and Obama’s full name: Barack Hussein Obama.
June 9th, 2009 at 7:27 pm“Or at least truthiness.”
Toasterhead, did you catch on Colbert last night that the big seal behind him had the word “VERITASINESS” on it?
June 9th, 2009 at 8:48 pmSP Biloxi The President’s legal full name is Barack Hussein Obama II but his name doesn’t bother me so much as how hard is is for so many to accept the fact that he’s a Christian.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:49 pmFrank Gaffney: Can everyone spell “ignorant Zionist”?
June 9th, 2009 at 9:19 pmcd:
It doesn’t matter whether Obama is a Christian, Muslim, or any religion. The wingnuts are simply afraid of a man with a funny name (as Obama said on the campaign trial for the Presidency)of being a successful President as we had for 8 years of the worst President ever. His name doesn’t bother mev either. My concern is that he cleans up the mess done by Bush and be the public servant to the American people. This redundant rhetoric to whether Obama is Muslim or not is nothing but fear mongering and the wingnuts are running out of ideas of attack against Obama.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:29 pmHas anybody looked into the possibility that Gaffney is a Muslim? I’ve heard that maybe Gaffney is a Muslim. In fact, more and more people are saying it’s an interesting possibility. So evidence is mounting that Gaffney might be a Muslim. Can Gaffney provide proof that he isn’t a Muslim? He might still be a Muslim…
June 9th, 2009 at 10:48 pmHere’s an intriguing observation – Gaffney has a beard. Obama doesn’t have a beard. Is Gaffney trying to shift accusations of his secret-Muslim-ness by pointing fingers at Obama? Some people are curious.
June 10th, 2009 at 12:10 amGaffney still hasn’t responded to the allegations, now coming from many quarters, that he’s a secret Muslim.
June 10th, 2009 at 12:16 pm