Holocaust museum shooter reportedly white supremacist James von Brunn.
Holocaust museum shooter reportedly white supremacist James von Brunn.
This afternoon, a gunman apparently shot at least one person at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC. MSNBC is reporting that the suspected shooter, who also sustained gunshot wounds, is James Von Brunn, a white supremacist born in 1920. Brunn has been approvingly cited on Stormfront, a national white supremacist website. He is apparently the author of a tract called, “Kill the Best Gentiles,” which his website describes as “a new, hard-hitting exposé of the JEW CONSPIRACY to destroy the White gene-pool.” Brunn, a WWII veteran, also wrote a screed on President Obama’s citizenship that was re-posted to popular right-wing message board Free Republic:
A Department of Homeland Security report leaked earlier this year — and subsequently retracted — warned of right-wing extremists “that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups).”
Brunn concluded, "Prepare to die, White America -- you deserve it."
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A Department of Homeland Security report leaked earlier this year — and subsequently retracted — warned of right-wing extremists “that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups).”
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And conservatives of every stripe condemned this report as being unfair — as they all (apparently) identified with extremists.
I’m sure now all these same conservatives will excuse this latest nutcase as merely exercising his right to bear arms and “just letting off some steam.”
June 10th, 2009 at 2:43 pmThere isn’t really a line drawn between the right wing “base” and neo-Nazis any more. It’s a single continuum, and freepers is right there in that gray area.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:43 pmI’m sure he’ll be cheered by the right just as vehemently as they cheered on the man who murdered a family doctor at his church. The Republicans are truly the big tent party: terrorists, white supremacists, holocaust deniers, racists, bigots.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:45 pmhttp://209.157.64.200/tag/by:wannabegeek/index?more=44896521
He seems to be a long term active poster there too.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:46 pmThere you go Freepers, the kind of publicity you deserve.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:47 pmOkay, I’ve been doing my best at OF&F, but I must not this one instance.
To all the troll droppings here today, and I’m asking this question directly to you:
DOES THIS MAKE YOU PROUD?
June 10th, 2009 at 2:47 pmWow- conservative Republicans who were practically foaming at the mouth regarding the DHS report ought to apologize to Janet Napolitano for demanding her resignation.
The DHS was right on point! These wingnuts are getting nuttier as the days go by. Jeezis!
June 10th, 2009 at 2:48 pmThis guy is worried about the Jews destroying the white gene pool but it’s pretty clear that he’s been swimming around in the shallow end for most of his life. Sad, sad situation.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:48 pmwhat a sick individual
i used to read freerepublic just to see what was going on there
i stopped because of the overwhelming hatred and ignorance that is present in the vast majority comments
scary stuff
June 10th, 2009 at 2:51 pmIt’s time to make “Right-wing shooter” a household expression.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:52 pmtypical right wing coward commits typical racist right wing terrorism
also in the news: water found to be wet, snow found to be cold, lava rumored as hot
June 10th, 2009 at 2:53 pmConservatives have an “I-told-you-so” coming on this second well-publicized act of extremist-fueled violence, the most recent other act of course being the assassination of Dr. Tiller. Both are overt acts of terror and vindicate the DHS report. While conservative pundits may be somewhat justified in their concern about the leaking of this report the magnitude of the outrage they expressed, whether genuine or feigned in order to get corporate media attention, betrays yet again their misplaced priorities and sense of objectivity.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:53 pmI always knew the Freepers were a terrorist cell.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:54 pmWaitaminnit — this guy is 89 years old? What was he doing, waiting until he was of an age where a judge and jury might be reluctant to send him to jail?
June 10th, 2009 at 2:54 pmWe fought guys with this mindset in WWII. It boggles my mind that one of our WWII vets is as twisted as our enemies were.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:55 pmThey’re deep in denial mode:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2268939/posts?q=1&;page=1#1
June 10th, 2009 at 2:56 pmRepublicans live in that protective bubble where their extreme right wingers make absolute sense. When warned that extremists where a danger rather than calling for the rhetoric to be toned down they decried the true. This is their idea of patriotism murdering those that you disagree with
June 10th, 2009 at 2:57 pmNotice how quiet the trolls have gotten now that one of their own is accused of this terrorist act…
June 10th, 2009 at 2:58 pm…
his background and views
remind me of so many trolls
we have here.
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June 10th, 2009 at 2:58 pmlefty Says:
It’s time to make “Right-wing shooter” a household expression.
Sounds like a drink to me.
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misscoleopteramolly Says:
We fought guys with this mindset in WWII. It boggles my mind that one of our WWII vets is as twisted as our enemies were.
Jon Voight’s speech is instructive here. He’s stating openly in front of supposedly responsible conservatives that all Palestinians – not just certain Palestinian terror groups – are the enemy. That’s pretty much the same thing.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:59 pmmisscoleopteramolly Says:
We fought guys with this mindset in WWII. It boggles my mind that one of our WWII vets is as twisted as our enemies were.
Well, when one is continuously bombarded with misleading “news”, hate and violence (Fox News, Free Republic, Kristol…et al.), and one’s mind is atrophying due to old age, it doesn’t surprise me.
Or, just like the anti-gay Republicans who are later arrested in a men’s restroom toe-tapping for favors, maybe he was raised a racist, lived as a racist, and continues to be a racist (obviously).
June 10th, 2009 at 2:59 pmAt Freeperville, they’re desperate to blame it on a muslim.
It is hilarious, and slightly sad, at the same time.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:59 pmbarfly Says:
At Freeperville, they’re desperate to blame it on a muslim.
It is hilarious, and slightly sad, at the same time.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
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And thoroughly unsurprising.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:00 pmLet’s hear JohnM’s explanation before going off half-cocked, as it were. I’m sure he can put it all in perspective.
/Snerk!/
June 10th, 2009 at 3:00 pmsome of them want to blame “white Democrat supremacists,” APPARENTLY they forgot that many of the KKK members in the heyday of the 60s would vote GOP today…
June 10th, 2009 at 3:01 pmred state hate…..ain’t it great.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:02 pmFrom one of the Freepers:
To: TomOnTheRun
thought for sure it’d be a Muslim.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:02 pm…
cfp or johnm?
you decide.
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June 10th, 2009 at 3:02 pmEvery time one of these white guys shoots somebody he’s immediately labeled a “lone gunman” and there’s no conspiracy. Both this guy and the Dr. Tiller’s murderer were members of groups that condoned this type of behavior. How is that not a conspiracy?
June 10th, 2009 at 3:04 pmThese nut jobs have their own agenda and we will never see the end of it, however; Fox Noise and the scare merchants of the right wing (Republican Party) just keep on fanning the flames. When enough fear is perpetrated over and over again it is enough to push these mush heads over the edge. I guess America is safer when then the Repukes are in charge; from our own citizens.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:04 pmAP radio news – a spokesman said the gunman is in the hospital in critical condition…
hope we don’t get a martyr out of it…
the guard he shot is in grave condition… best wishes…
June 10th, 2009 at 3:04 pmbarfly Says:
They’re deep in denial mode:
Looks like they’re all calling him a Democrat and bemoaning the fact that the information on this shooter came out faster in this case than on the Little Rock military recruiter shooter. Must mean something…
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UCSBKitty Says:
some of them want to blame “white Democrat supremacists,” APPARENTLY they forgot that many of the KKK members in the heyday of the 60s would vote GOP today…
“Would?” They do!
June 10th, 2009 at 3:04 pmIt boggles my mind that one of our WWII vets is as twisted as our enemies were.
This guy is a white supremicist who, among other things, authored a pamphlet entitled, “Kill the Best Gentiles: A new, hard-hitting expose of the JEW CONSPIRACY to destroy the White gene-pool.” He has also written that “Hilter’s worse mistake” was the “he didn’t gas the Jews.”
June 10th, 2009 at 3:04 pmI’m glad this story has been picked up by the Corporate Media! Sunshine is the best disinfectant!!! The more the putrid conservative mindset is spotlighted, the clearer it becomes to the American People how foul the conservative philosophy is.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:04 pmHopefully, this will translate into Progressive victories in future elections!!
I guess that’s why none of them are here. They are all back at Free Republic trying to spin this thing.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:04 pmThis story is really screwy—the guy is 89 years old!!! I will be very surprised if he acted alone in this cowardly act….is he from the DC area?
If true, I lay the blame on the hatred that is spewed on Fox and on talk radio….these are not easy times and yes NRA, guns DO kill people.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:04 pmI’m down with that. “Going post” was getting stale.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:05 pmGoing postal, too. Lawd, I need some sleep. And more caffeine. And fewer freepers.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:06 pmshoeless Says:
joe cantwell Says:
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…
his background and views
remind me of so many trolls
we have here.
I guess that’s why none of them are here. They are all back at Free Republic trying to spin this thing.
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a temporary sense of shame.
it’ll pass.
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June 10th, 2009 at 3:06 pmbarfly Says:
At Freeperville, they’re desperate to blame it on a muslim.
It is hilarious, and slightly sad, at the same time.
I read comments at the link you posted (creeeeepy). They’re surprised the shooter wasn’t a Muslim, but happy that he was a Democrat in 1968 — proves that Democrats are all haters. I need a hot shower now, after reading those comments.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:06 pmCheck this out:
Wow. There’s nothing they can’t flip backwards in their little heads. Because everybody knows that neo-Nazism is “left wing.”
June 10th, 2009 at 3:06 pm#4 disregard. I thought the freeper poster was the guy. He just copy/pasted the crazy guy’s work.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:06 pmthis is basically a copy-cat crime…
no one is safe from the frighties…
June 10th, 2009 at 3:07 pmHoping the Security Guard makes it. This guy was a violent extremist, no matter what the Repbulicans say!
June 10th, 2009 at 3:07 pmPandering in fear and xenophobia is what the GOP does best. The cumulative effects can result in this type of horrific action. As a Jew, I am profoundly saddened.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:10 pmSo we can replace the phrase ‘going postal’ with ‘going right wing’ ??
June 10th, 2009 at 3:11 pmFirst Roeder, now this: are the media happy that their focus on the inflammatory rhetoric of losing Republicans has now reaped what they have sown? The conservative movement RELIES on TERRORIZING people –
June 10th, 2009 at 3:12 pmNatzi thinking, plane and simple..Read the bio and see he is born and bred as many of the reich winger’s are…No matter the age they all think the same..If you are not a blue eyed blond or of their gene pool they want you dead….Sad, sick, demented wackos like the one’s posting on the other thread this morning…Blessings
June 10th, 2009 at 3:13 pmRight wing terrorists are going postal because everything Obama stands for is everything they hate.
joe cantwell, thanks for the link to that sick phuck’s article.
We still have ELECTED officials repeating the Obama birth certificate lie.
Unfortunately, I believe their is more to come. As we saw with the FBI in Kansas, some law enforcement actually thinks this is funny…in fact, some of them SUPPORT White supremacists.
When reality & alternate realities collide, bad things happen.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:13 pm#6
What is OF&F?
Conservatives are not a monolith. I don’t know how productive or fair it is to ask “trolls” to own or disown the shooter’s actions. Not everyone who disagrees with your views are trolls. Your best response to a troll, who is only purpose is to provoke a shouting match with others in lieu of raising the debate, is none at all. You should report such users to the site administrator instead.
The “trolls” on these boards, unfortunately, do an effective job of dragging other users down to their level. Contents of earlier threads make it hard to not infer that they must enjoy the fruits of their labor. People who lived in my dorm freshman year used to prank call the college radio talk shows. There was(were) no internet(s) then but no doubt they would have thrived on the vitriol they could have elicited on this and other message boards.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:13 pmThe gunman was identified by NBC News as James W. von Brunn, a man in his late 80s who embraces a far-reaching conspiracy theory involving Jews, blacks and other minority groups, according a Web site he maintains. Early reports indicated that he lives in eastern Maryland.
However, the police chief here, Cathy Lanier, said the identity of the gunman had not been confirmed.
Mayor Adrian M. Fenty of Washington said at an afternoon news conference that the gunman was in critical condition, and the security guard, whom he declined to identify, was in grave condition.
Law enforcement officials said they have long been familiar with Mr. Von Brunn, who has claimed variously to be a member of Mensa, the high-I.Q. fraternity; to have been a P.T. boat captain in World War II and to have been victimized by a court system run by Jews and black people.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/11/us/11shoot.html?ref=us
June 10th, 2009 at 3:14 pmIt’s just safer to assume that a republican is a terrorist these days. if they can prove they’re not, fine, but until they do prove it, assume they are armed and dangerous.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:14 pmgummble-bee-itch Says
June 10th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
They’re surprised the shooter wasn’t a Muslim, but happy that he was a Democrat in 1968 — proves that Democrats are all haters.
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And here’s another difference between us and them. Even if von Brunn was a registered Democrat TODAY, we would not defend him, his ideology, and certainly not his actions. Nor would we be blaming the victim.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:16 pmJames Von Brunn’s bio is at his organization’s website:
http://www.holywesternempire.org/
I can’t view it due to too much traffic or not-accepting it’s add-on media player.
CNN said he was arrested in 1983 for attempting to kidnap Federal Reserve officers.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:17 pmSouthern Poverty Law Center said his group totally supports the Holocaust and regrets it did not “complete the job”.
Was reading freeper replies by this guy:
wannabegeek to hole_n_one
I was nosy to ask a LAPD guy why a mini van was being hauled by a tow truck. He replied, “driving without license,” adding “30% of people driving in Los Angeles are without license.” So if you’re U.S. citizen or legal U.S. resident you can into the crowded open-air mart in Santa Monica to kill 9 people and injure many because it will not be counted anyway?
June 10th, 2009 at 3:17 pmThis guy supposedly spent six years in prison. How did an ex-con like him get his hands a gun legally?
Or was he in possession of his firearm illegally?
June 10th, 2009 at 3:18 pmbut happy that he was a Democrat in 1968 — proves that Democrats are all haters
i saw that in the comments at freerepublic too
i have not been able to find anything to substantiate the claim though
i’m pretty sure its false
June 10th, 2009 at 3:18 pmFreeper admins just pulled the thread. Getting nervous, I guess
June 10th, 2009 at 3:18 pmThe link to the freepers is dead. I assume when you set the link, it was good.
In short, I assume that according to the Freeper / Bush /Cheney history of the US, the post didn’t happen and there is no intermixing of Freepers and Skinheads .
June 10th, 2009 at 3:18 pmGee, what a surprise. The Freepers already pulled the thread with a little “No thanks” attached.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:19 pmOne of the students who saw the shooting said the guy was wearing a Confederate hat. MSNBC
Who would have known.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:20 pmThey pulled the post. Good catch before the scrub.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
katy Says:
AP radio news – a spokesman said the gunman is in the hospital in critical condition…
hope we don’t get a martyr out of it…
the guard he shot is in grave condition… best wishes…
June 10th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
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Whatever happens, there are already two martyrs – the shooter and the guard. They’re both victims of hate.
Mr. von Brunn was not born hating Jews. He was not born hating African-Americans. He was not born a racist. He became these things, perhaps willingly, perhaps unwillingly, but certainly not on his own. There were plenty of people who helped him along the way, sowing whatever seed of hate was planted in his head.
What makes this kind of violence so frightening and tragic is that in von Brunn’s eyes he has done nothing wrong. He is fighting the good fight. He is on the side of righteousness. It’s the same tragic delusion that led to the murder of a doctor in Kansas and a recruiter in Arkansas.
I don’t excuse or condone his act of violence, but I do see it as a symptom of a societal illness. I look at our trolls and their hateful, racist, bigoted scrawlings and see each of them as victims of the same force of hate. Self-righteous hate.
Perhaps if there’s a silver lining, it will be a moment of self-reflection among the Storm Fronters and Freepers and our resident trolls, wondering how the hateful environment they created led to today’s tragedy.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:21 pmholywesterempire.org says:
James W. von Brunn holds a BachSci Journalism degree from a mid-Western university where he was president of SAE and played varsity football.
During WWII he served as PT-Boat captain, Lt. USNR, receiving a Commendation and four battle stars. For twenty years he was an advertising executive and film-producer in New York City. He is a member of Mensa, the high-IQ society.
In 1981 Von Brunn attempted to place the treasonous Federal Reserve Board of Governors under legal, non-violent, citizens arrest. He was tried in a Washington, D.C. Superior Court; convicted by a Negro jury, Jew/Negro attorneys, and sentenced to prison for eleven years by a Jew judge. A Jew/Negro/White Court of Appeals denied his appeal. He served 6.5 years in federal prison. (Read about von Brunn’s “Federal Reserve Caper” HERE.) He is now an artist and author and lives on Maryland’s Eastern Shore.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:21 pmAre we in for a right-wing summer of rage?
June 10th, 2009 at 3:22 pmcalavzma Says:
but happy that he was a Democrat in 1968 — proves that Democrats are all haters
i saw that in the comments at freerepublic too
i have not been able to find anything to substantiate the claim though
i’m pretty sure its false
Not necessarily. Remember, up until Nixon’s “southern strategy” the South was solidly Democratic and had been since Reconstruction. In the face of the Civil Rights movement, Republicans reached out to white racists and embraced them into the GOP. There were still a lot of racist Democrats, particularly in the South, in 1968.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:23 pmMany who were Democrats in 1968 later switched to Republican. Due to the “Southern Strategy” aka Racism.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:24 pmI wonder how Michael Weiner Savage will spin this…?
Like the Freeptards, he’ll probably say that the old guy is a closet Muslim.
OWN YOUR CRAZY, FREEPERS!!!
June 10th, 2009 at 3:25 pmI recall being a longhair in the ’60s hitch hiking around this great Country. I had drivers swerve at me, acting like they were going to run me over.
I had the usual hand signs, horn honks and catcalls, as well.
Truckers seemed to be the worst, hauling goods for some corporation and eager to get back to the trailer house by Friday night. Walking in to a truck stop restaurant in the middle of the night sometimes found the entire place go silent and just stare at me. This was scary to an 18 year old.
My point?
Not once was I harmed.
Things have changed in the USA since then.
Guns seem to be the weapon of choice.
We need to take back our Country. Terrorists, domestic or foreign, need swift and appropriate punishment. Law enforcement needs to accept the fact that White people are just as or more dangerous than minorities.
Most of these Right Wing Jihadists are also chickenshits. Look at Roeder, complaining about the air conditioning in solitary confinement.
I kind of like the idea of public stocks, where citizens can speak their minds freely & the terrorists HAVE to listen.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:28 pmNot necessarily. Remember, up until Nixon’s “southern strategy” the South was solidly Democratic and had been since Reconstruction. In the face of the Civil Rights movement, Republicans reached out to white racists and embraced them into the GOP. There were still a lot of racist Democrats, particularly in the South, in 1968.
thats all well and good… but if he ever ran for office, his name doesn’t appear to be connected with any election results
and also, it would appear that he’s from new hampshire (so far as i’ve been able to find)
point being
i don’t think he ever ran for office as a member of any party
June 10th, 2009 at 3:30 pmRight wingers have been begging for someone to commit some violence ever since the 2008 campaign.
They get off on it.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:31 pmOn his website Von Brunn says:
“Over the years Revisionists have asked me to write about my effort in 1981 to place the Board of Governors, Federal Reserve System (FED), under legal, non-violent citizens-arrest. The subject resides in my memory like old road-kill. What could have been a slam-bang victory turned into ignoble failure. Recalling all of this presents an onerous task. I am getting near the end of the diving board.”
June 10th, 2009 at 3:31 pmWell, wannbegeek [Von Brunn] posted a “POLITICALLY INCORRECT IQ TEST FOR LEFTISTS”
So there is that.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:32 pmZim – I live in Los Angeles; I had a guy in a pickup covered with “W” stickers try to run me off the road because of my anti-Bush bumper stickers…on the 101 freeway…
Someone else scratched “TRAITOR” on my trunk lid of my car while it was parked at work…
June 10th, 2009 at 3:32 pmHere’s another snippet from the shooter’s website describing his book. This guy has seriously gotten some of his wires crossed!
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A new, hard-hitting exposé of
the JEW CONSPIRACY to
destroy the White gene-pool
by James W. von Brunn
Here are 350pp of FACTS condensing libraries of information about the Talmud, Democracy, Marx, Genetics, Money, Aryans, Negroes, Khazars, The Holy Bible, Treason, Mass-media, Mendelism, Race, the “Holocaust” and a host of suppressed “bigoted” subjects, all supported by quotations from many of history’s greatest personages. Learn who is responsible for the millions of Aryan crosses covering the world’s battlefields. Why our sons and daughters died bravely but in vain. Learn why the “browning of America will alter everything in society from politics and education to industry, values and culture.” (TIME 4-9-90).
Learn who has committed treason – and must be brought to justice!
This carefully documented treatise exposes the JEWS and explains what you must do to protect your White family. Kill the Best Gentiles! Is a must for every concerned parent and a manual for every student of World History.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:33 pmFree Republic has pulled the thread “Obama is Missing”
Here’s the link to the Google cache of that post:
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:niXSYG-nVO8J:www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2141655/posts+http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2141655/posts&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari
June 10th, 2009 at 3:36 pmKeith, I wouldn’t accept any of that biography as fact. I knew of a guy who claimed to be a West Point graduate and had all kind of paraphernalia in his office. Then one day a client came in and asked what year he’d graduated which he claimed was the same year the client had. It was all fake. I’d bet this guy never served in WWII and had just made up most of his bio.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:37 pmAnd here’s a good bio on the shooter as well –> http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/james_von_brunn_a_profile.php?ref=fpblg
June 10th, 2009 at 3:37 pmIgnorant right wing hillbilly commits typical act of right wing cowardice
June 10th, 2009 at 3:38 pmAnd here’s an example of his art –> http://www.askart.com/askart/v/james_w_von_brunn/james_w_von_brunn.aspx
[it's actually much better than I thought it would be . . . I was expecting John Wayne Gacy clowns or such-like]
June 10th, 2009 at 3:40 pmAnd the entries are pouring in to the discussion board on the askart site now –> http://www.askart.com/AskART/artists/bulletin.aspx?searchtype=DISCUSS&artist=120881
June 10th, 2009 at 3:41 pmWhen a baby monkey feels itself losing grip on its mothers hair it frantically grasps in fear, it’s called the Moro reflex. The Repugnants are losing their grip on reality, they feel increasingly helpless and impotent to stop the drift towards progress and are frantically grasping at air.
listen to the hate and spittle coming from their leaders and you can sense the desperation.
Poor helpless haters.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:42 pmHeck, the Freeper admins even scrubbed the poster of Von Brunns tripe, “Wannabegeek” from their member list, as though he never existed. Methinks they’re getting really scared.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:43 pmDefinitely not a democract…
June 10th, 2009 at 3:43 pm* democrat =)
June 10th, 2009 at 3:44 pmJeffboste, STFU!
June 10th, 2009 at 3:44 pmadrianinflorida Says:
Heck, the Freeper admins even scrubbed the poster of Von Brunns tripe, “Wannabegeek” from their member list, as though he never existed. Methinks they’re getting really scared.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
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Isn’t that tampering with evidence? Interfering with a criminal investigation?
June 10th, 2009 at 3:45 pmThe rise in right wing violence was predicted and inevitible. Once they realized their losses, they went completely nuts.
I sincerely hope that each of these acts of right wing terrorism is met with an increase of vigilance by the Secret Service. As more of these freaks commit their heinous acts, they provide an example and inspiration to others. And, as more of them are emboldened, it becomes more likely that someone will go after the biggest target, our President.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:46 pmBut no concern for others health, it seems.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:47 pmIt’s the same reason we don’t have the Kennedy brothers or Dr. King anymore.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:48 pmwow, even the trolls are having a hard time defending this guy, their representative
you’d think, given the identical ideologies, they’d all be here letting us know why this terrorist is perfectly ok with them
June 10th, 2009 at 3:48 pmIsn’t that tampering with evidence? Interfering with a criminal investigation?
Thanks to Google Cache, nope. It doesn’t go away that easily. It just makes it harder for the casual websearch to find this guy’s name poping up on their site.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:48 pmThis thread has been pulled.
Pulled on 06/10/2009 12:14:03 PM PDT by Admin Moderator, reason:
No thanks
That just makes me laugh. Do they really think they’ll be able to erase all evidence of their friend von Brunn’s existance as one of their supporters when it’s easily accessed elsewhere?
Something tells me this could actually cause problems for them, which would be nice for once!
Also hi, new poster!
June 10th, 2009 at 3:50 pmThe whacko’s on the Free Republic site are really in a tizzy. I think a few of them have busted a blood vessel trying to figure out how to blame this on the Democrats or President Obama.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:52 pmI really hope that Limbaugh and Buchanan et al. will give their “White Men are an endangered species” rhetoric a rest, for good. This violence is way out of control, and unless they take responsibility for their hateful words and vitriol it’s going to get uglier. Have you all seen the list of ppl Jon Voight thanked at the Republican fundraiser the other eve? It was the who’s who of racial vitriol. Thanking Ann coulter for her patriotism…Really???????????
June 10th, 2009 at 3:52 pmgummble-bee-itch Says:
I read comments at the link you posted (creeeeepy). They’re surprised the shooter wasn’t a Muslim, but happy that he was a Democrat in 1968…[edit]
As was their god, Ronald Wilson Reagan.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:52 pmPapirini Says:
Also hi, new poster!
June 10th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
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Welcome! :)
June 10th, 2009 at 3:53 pmI wonder how many more domestic terrorists we’ll need to see in action before the xenophobic reichwingers admit that there’s more to fear from domestic and putatively Christian haters than there is from anyone of any faith, creed or color, outside of the U.S.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:54 pmHello, Papirini.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:54 pmAnother terrorist we never heard of before, and never want to hear about again. But we will!
June 10th, 2009 at 3:55 pmPolls jeffboste? Polls? A weapon has been used at a museum on the Mall in DC and you bring us the same type of mental midgets that vote on American Idol.
I wonder if you have any respect for the law of this country.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:55 pmThank you! :)
Oklahoma City didn’t do it, and 167 more victims were claimed by an anti-American white man. They’ll shut up for all of ten minutes and then resume their rants as if nothing ever happened, because they know their average viewer has the memory capacity of a goldfish. Those viewers will ALWAYS come back and listen.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:57 pmDoes anyone else see the connection of:
Conservative + Religion + Guns = Terrorism
Doesn’t matter what country, you mix those together and it spells violence.
Fcuk the Republic Fascist Party
June 10th, 2009 at 4:01 pmSomeone is busy trying to erase this guy from the net. Accomplices?
June 10th, 2009 at 4:03 pmadrianinflorida Says:
Heck, the Freeper admins even scrubbed the poster of Von Brunns tripe, “Wannabegeek” from their member list, as though he never existed. Methinks they’re getting really scared.
Here’s what it’s like to be a freeper mod.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:05 pmDoodlebug, no, I know his claims may be false—I’m just saying that’s what he and the website say. Funny how so many claim to be Mensa or war heroes.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:06 pmAn irony of epic proportions is happening over on Fox News, reporting on the tragedy while not recognizing their on-going role in distortion of the news whipping up the hate of the unstable. How many of these incidents have we had even this year, Tiller, Pittsburgh police, Kentucky church, all shootings by unstable right wing nutjobs.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:08 pmThese right wing nuts are really jumping off the deep end. This is getting scary.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:08 pmTo hell with these people. Until the republican party grows up, and quits inciting violence, they should be shunned.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:10 pmHeroic officer is dead. RIP sir.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:10 pmI’m pretty sure he’ll turn out to be just another reich wing coward who sat out the war with a cyst on his rump or something.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:12 pmVery suspicous timing. A video of Zionists in Jerusalem spewing hatred against blacks and who suggested that Obama be shot, and now this convenient distraction.
http://snardfarker.ning.com/video/video/show?id=2649739%3AVideo%3A67507&xgs=1
Hey we’re not going to forget about you nutjobs.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:14 pmI said it before and I’ll say it again. GHW Bush was around for all of it. He was in Texas when JFK was shot. He was the head of the CIA for a time. His grandfather was in bed with Hitler. All their plans came to fruition and no have started to fall apart. They will not go down quietly.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:16 pmJeffboste Says:
Please, flag this guy. He keeps posting in several threads in order to drive people to his website. He’s not here for the debate, he’s here to try to make a quick buck. To me, that’s spamming.
Flag him enough times, let’s see how long it takes for the TP admins to ban him.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:17 pmThe only plausible thing in his biography is serving in WWII because of the draft. But even then you could get out of service for a variety of reasons, such as being unfit, being the sole supporter of the family, race, sexuality, etc.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:18 pmOn the shooter’s web site he has a link to a letter from a Rear Admiral John G. Crommelin (Navy ret.) who wrote to “Erik” in Oct. 1983. Erik must be the shooter’s son:
“Dear Erik,
Your Aunt Alyce has told me that you are a strong, healthy six year old boy and that you miss your father, James von Brunn, who has been held by federal authorities now for some time. We all hope that he will soon now be released”
snip
“he has committed no crime”
snip
“he has taken very courageous and patriotic actions to try to alert the U.S. citizen to the real organization of the Federal Reserve System and its greatest danger to the survival of our once White Christian constitutional republic”
and so on.
This admiral goes on to refer to Brunn’s service in WWII where they were apparently both naval officers and were friends for some time.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:18 pmI’m waiting for backup/Mantastic to claim Von Brunn’s actions were merely ‘a commentary on jewish relations’ and ‘why are a nation of cowards when it comes to
June 10th, 2009 at 4:19 pmracereligion…’The dead officer is a black man.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:25 pmWelcome Papirini! Here’s a laurel, and hearty handshake from the RUC clan!
June 10th, 2009 at 4:25 pmI propose the museum be rededicated in the memory of Stephen Tyrone Johns with a marble bust in the front lobby.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:27 pmCavuto is spinning like crazy over on Fox. He started out with how this shooting caused a big impact on the stock market, that this could cause investors to end the rally and cause stocks to fall. The DOW ended up down 24 today, talk about grasping for straws. A guest over there on says that the class warfare and baiting sets the stage for social unrest caused by Obama. Another guest asked what was the President doing last week, he was visiting a holocaust site and mentioning things about the Jews on the west bank, the guest asked were these factors here? It all comes back to blaming Obama.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:28 pmIsn’t Stormfront run by the Feds ie. Southern Poverty Law Center?
June 10th, 2009 at 4:29 pmDoodlebug, it’s never been denied that Nixon was also in Dallas that day. I believe the meeting was with a Hunt and other rich oilmen.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:29 pmwhen are tub-o-lard and o’lielly going to be frog walking the perp walk for ginning up the hatred by promoting the myth of the white man being oppressed thus, creating crazies like these?
June 10th, 2009 at 4:29 pmI know how the neocon defense of this will go….
“How can this be domestic terrorism? There is no real body counts compared to 9/11!”
Then there will be the argument that we need more guns, less regulation on getting guns to protect “the people” and this was just another disturbed person who doesn’t represent any norm toward violent trends.
Maybe less egging on of listeners and viewers and more responsibility with words could be a start. But I know that would be asking for God to address the planet Earth at this point.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:30 pm“White Supremacy”: an oxy-”moran”?
June 10th, 2009 at 4:30 pmWhoa. That happened not too far from where I am now and I had no idea.
Weird.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:31 pmSince when are Jews not white? A lot of us are.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:32 pmMr. Sonia Herecomestheangst Says:
I know how the neocon defense of this will go….
“How can this be domestic terrorism? There is no real body counts compared to 9/11!”
Then there will be the argument that we need more guns, less regulation on getting guns to protect “the people” and this was just another disturbed person who doesn’t represent any norm toward violent trends.
You have that right. This will be taken as just another reason why we should all be armed, all the time. Why just think of how this would have turned out if all the visitors to the Museum had whipped out their Uzis and blown von Brunn away!
June 10th, 2009 at 4:33 pmThe homegrown terrorists are now on a rampage. Where’s Homeland Security when you need them? Are they still spying on the Quakers’ Peace Movement?
June 10th, 2009 at 4:33 pmWiz Says:
Cavuto is spinning like crazy over on Fox. He started out with how this shooting caused a big impact on the stock market, that this could cause investors to end the rally and cause stocks to fall. The DOW ended up down 24 today, talk about grasping for straws. A guest over there on says that the class warfare and baiting sets the stage for social unrest caused by Obama. Another guest asked what was the President doing last week, he was visiting a holocaust site and mentioning things about the Jews on the west bank, the guest asked were these factors here? It all comes back to blaming Obama.
Cavuto is prepping for finals so he can earn his Master’s degree in double-talk economics from clown college.
It’s easy to see how murder and terrorism is a green light for nonsensical b.s. with chicken stupid.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:37 pmRight back at you, RUCeriousMaggot!
At the very least, the man deserves a big plaque of recognition. He basically saved every person in the museum, and it’s very sad that it had to be that museum.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:38 pmSKdeAnt Says:
the JEW CONSPIRACY to destroy the White gene-pool
Since when are Jews not white? A lot of us are.
They may be white, but not the right kind of white for the racists. Hispanics, Arabs, Native Americans are also caucasian based on the broad definition of three races – caucasian, negroid and mongoloid.
I guess in racist-speak, only Arians i.e. WASPs, are the right kind of white.
Sick, twisted fcuks. I hope DHS speaks out about the growing extremism from these fine “Christians”.
PEACE
June 10th, 2009 at 4:40 pmKeith Says
June 10th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Doodlebug, no, I know his claims may be false—I’m just saying that’s what he and the website say. Funny how so many claim to be Mensa or war heroes.
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It’s possible to be a hateful right-wing white supremacist and be a member of Mensa. Mensa only has an IQ requirement for entry, so theoretically anybody with any kind of ideology can qualify.
That said, most Mensans don’t brag about their membership to non-Mensans. If they talk about Mensa at all, it’s usually to praise the social aspects of the group — not to state their membership as some mark of superiority. For that reason, whenever I see somebody listing membership in Mensa as some sort of personal accomplishment, I’m suspicious.
On the other hand, this guy is a real nutcase. I guess I can’t expect him to fall into the same kind of categories normal people do.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:40 pmIt’s no wonder Free Republic is now taking down his posts. The FBI has no doubt started an investigation, and I’d bet he’s been posting there under other aliases as well.
Tick, tock, Freepers. Your time is running out. By this time next week, it’ll be a ghost site, because everyone will be scared to post there, and possibly be interviewed by the FBI for their trouble.
Heh.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:40 pmThey said this guy served in WW II, but on whose side??
June 10th, 2009 at 4:41 pmHow long before he kills someboby?
Bet another wingnut beats him to it?
June 10th, 2009 at 4:42 pmI propose the museum be rededicated in the memory of Stephen Tyrone Johns with a marble bust in the front lobby.
perhaps not the whole museum
but certainly a wing
the bust is a must
this is a tragedy that should be remembered
June 10th, 2009 at 4:42 pmobamawipe$ Says:
On another note, was their a post in regards to the muslim convert that killed the recruiter?
June 10th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
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Amazing. There is nothing sacred with these people. They revel in the deaths of innocent people just to make a thoroughly baseless argument.
No shame. No humanity. Obamawipe$ and his ilk don’t deserve the free speech they so readily abuse.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:43 pmThe poor little thing persists… How sad…
June 10th, 2009 at 4:45 pmCan’t has nothing to do with it…
June 10th, 2009 at 4:46 pmobamawipe$ Says:
God hates the Jews. Wright said it. That is bold, orthodox Muslim preaching. So blow up Jews’ buildings. That’s Muslim Muslim Muslim written all over it.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
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Report this racist drivel please.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:46 pmobamawipe$ Says:
Can’t answer a simple question?
June 10th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
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Yes, there was a post about the guy who killed a recruiter in Arkansas.
Now kindly retract your lie that TP ignored it.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:48 pmLost only begging for a response. I few will now and again but the window closes more and more. Just like in the real world, the elctronic world offers nothing but isolation and alienation. I still wonder if it shares its cries for attention with its family and how the family deals with its troubled kin…
June 10th, 2009 at 4:49 pmWhat’s the point of answering a simpleton’s question? He won’t understand the answer.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:49 pmGeez, a man was shot, by a racist wingnutter, while just trying to do his job, and all this piss-soaked piece of shit can do is try to flip it back to Rev. Wright.
The GNOP’s “base” is becoming so extremist and violent, I’m almost glad their phones are being tapped, their online postings are being tracked. Almost.
PEACE
June 10th, 2009 at 4:49 pmSoon there will be none left willing to respond. The end is near… Perhaps if it wised up and elected to engage in something other than willful disruption and negative attention seeking behaviors it make even grow into something resembling a relevent soul…
June 10th, 2009 at 4:52 pmToasterhead, just ignore the moron.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:52 pmIgnore, frustrate, isolate…
June 10th, 2009 at 4:53 pmAh, the lost begging. I wipe my eyes of the demonstrated empathy for the pain. And wonder if a response will ease its soul or reinforce its sense of isolation from that which it can see but not experience.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:54 pmThere’s seems to be little left for the rightwing extremists to do while plotting and waiting for gun shows (to duck the registration/background check loophole) than to pass the time posting lies and distortions on progressive blogs and trying to goad responses.
That and reading raci$t tracts over some pork rinds…
June 10th, 2009 at 4:56 pmWho here is defending Rev. Wright?
June 10th, 2009 at 4:56 pmThat’s exactly what James von Brunn said, and yet he was most decidedly Christian, as Reverend Wright is.
There is no evidence that Reverend Wright is a Muslim. In fact, Reverend Wright is part of The UCC, which is basically a reformed Calvinist Protestant church. Your attempts to link him to Islam make no sense.
Stop beating the ‘ZOMG MUZLEMZ!!111″ bush. It is very clear from this lastest shooting, that ‘terrorism’ is not the exclusive territory of extreme Muslims.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:56 pmwiperboy doesn’t seek the truth. He’s perfectly happy looking at all the shadows.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:56 pmFor the record, I’m all for destroying the “white” gene pool. The sooner we’re all mixed together indistinguishably, the harder it is for people to come up with justifications for oppression and murder. So it’s not a secret conspiracy from my point of view, but an openly touted goal.
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Wiz Says:
Cavuto is spinning like crazy over on Fox. He started out with how this shooting caused a big impact on the stock market, that this could cause investors to end the rally and cause stocks to fall.
How stupid does Cavuto think investors are? You’d have to have the intelligence of a sea slug to pick stocks based on the crazy crap on Cavuto’s show.
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maasanova Says:
Isn’t Stormfront run by the Feds ie. Southern Poverty Law Center?
Ummmm, exact opposite on the bizarre triangle you’ve constructed there. Stormfront is a neo-Nazi hate site. The SPLC focuses on tracking and publishing information on hate groups. The “Feds” typically refers to the U.S. government.
That post of yours there has a really high concentraction of crazy-per-word.
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obamawipe$ Says:
“We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God,” Jeremiah Wright preached.
He didn’t “preach” that, he was explaining the mindset that he opposed. Go read the rest of the quote. Now I don’t like Wright at all, but you need to stop intentionally lifting out part of a statement to make it sounds like people are saying things they didn’t say.
Also, off topic.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:57 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
That and reading raci$t tracts over some pork rinds…
Hey! Don’t be knocking pork rinds!
June 10th, 2009 at 4:57 pmhellinabucket Says:
Who here is defending Rev. Wright?
June 10th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
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Me. I like Rev. Wright. I don’t find anything he’s said offensive, when viewed in context.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:58 pmI am so afraid for President Obama. I hope that he has a guardian angel looking out for him.
When is the right wing extremist hate ever going to stop? Do they have to bring this country to it’s knees before they will?
June 10th, 2009 at 4:58 pmOffending and Defending, the imaginary guardians of the lost begging. Either is sufficient to give succor, even temporarily, to its tattered and lonely soul.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:58 pm165 posts and counting. Doesn’t look like silence to me.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:59 pmwhatever fantasies they wish to fill their minds with is fine with me. It is difficult to accept one’s own inner failures and thus creating mental fictions of the succesful warrior achieving against the odds is a common falsehood created in the mind to protect the loser from accepting its loss. I suppose it gives the troubled mind comfort. So be it. The reality based community knows better…
June 10th, 2009 at 5:00 pm171. PatrioticLiberalChristianMantisReligiosa Says: Offending and Defending, the imaginary guardians of the lost begging.
I thought those were “Incite and Rewrite.” Maybe those are attending minions…
June 10th, 2009 at 5:01 pmI do hope the media acts responsibly this time and not glorify this maniac into a some sort of “media star” in a 24 hr news cycle!!!
June 10th, 2009 at 5:02 pmIt looks like the crazy right really do want us to take their guns away.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:03 pmIt only encourages more the same violence. I wonder if Fox News is going to apologize for trashing Sec. Janet Napolitano who re;eased that Homeland Security Bush-commissioned report on Right-wing extremist groups!
June 10th, 2009 at 5:03 pmPaprini, welcome to the community. I trust you’ll contribute greatly in teh future.
At the moment, however, you’ve made a slight faux pas. No big deal; there was no way for you to know. But there is a certain odious troll who has overstayed its welcome here, and we the regulars have instituted a more or less blanket “Flag and Freeze” program where the troll is ignored by all. It just spews its drivel and eventually gets frustrated and has a melt down.
It’s a much more effective treatment than arguing with it, and more fun to witness, frankly.
So please ignore the ignorant blatherings of this particular specimen, and again, welcome to the community.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:04 pmchiroptera toasterhead, I stand corrected. I didn’t read all the postings and thought that wiperboy was just farting in the wind again.
I won’t defend him and I won’t condemn. He stands on his own. I will say that he’s taken out of context but thats the political way when one side sees a chance to inflame the base.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:04 pm176.LeeHope Says: I do hope the media acts responsibly this time and not glorify this maniac into a some sort of “media star” in a 24 hr news cycle!!!
Thanks for the chortle….I hadda wipe the Yoohoo off my monitor.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:04 pmchiroptera toasterhead Says:
Me. I like Rev. Wright. I don’t find anything he’s said offensive, when viewed in context.
I didn’t think he was that bad, but he said something yesterday that really puts me off:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Real conversation to the lost begging is silence.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:05 pmCats r Flyfishn Says:
Where’s Homeland Security when you need them?
I guarantee they’ll be at Orlando International Airport early Friday morning to make sure I haven’t stashed that 4th ounce of shampoo in my sneakers.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:05 pmOh, ok! I didn’t realize it was a troll. I will definitely remember that for the future. Thank you!
June 10th, 2009 at 5:06 pm“We start bombing Russia in 5 minutes” Ronald Reagan
June 10th, 2009 at 5:07 pmFixed News is trying to say that this was caused by President Obama’s Cairo speech and all the freeper websites are purging their blogs of any reference to the shooter.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:08 pmHi Papirini:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:08 pmWelcome. I look forward to reading you. Right now I am a little tied up dealing with a minor but reoccurring problem…
still the meltdowns are kind of amusing to watch…
June 10th, 2009 at 5:09 pmSecret service should be on high alert around Obama. I’m seriously worried about him.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:10 pmWhen you come to an obamawipe post, please flag it and move on.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:11 pmdbadass, have you ever witnessed a more pathetic flailing about in search of attention?
June 10th, 2009 at 5:12 pm189.dbadass Says: Hi Papirini:
Welcome. I look forward to reading you. Right now I am a little tied up dealing with a minor but reoccurring problem…
There are ointments for that.
In the above case of O$, it’s called, “Disapp-ointment.” Apply liberally….the ‘liberal’ part makes the infestation unsuited to the venue.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:12 pmas opposed to just being a jackass mental patient in need of attention, I suppose “sockpuppet” is light years ahead
June 10th, 2009 at 5:13 pmThe lost beggin stand with a pane of glass between them and humanity. They wave a shiny object in hopes of attracting attention. Someday, perhaps, the lost begging will learn that the glass and the shiny object can be combined to make a mirror, which is their only hope of being found.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:13 pmI’m still learning the patterns of this process. Does the repetition signal an imminent meltdown, or do I have time to do fix some nachos?
June 10th, 2009 at 5:14 pmSo much more shocking. and dangerous. Sad that the wiperboy enjoys his mentalmasturbation too much to acknowledge that real threats are present. He’s too self absorbed in attempting to paint any (actually the majority according to the last election) with a brush of his own design. Just to fit on his own wall of shame.
The world (and this country) will move forward without it.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:14 pmwhy refute it. It serves no purpose. It has been asked numerous times to explain its idiotic childish behaviors. It is tiresome and insincere. F uck it. It is a little kid playing with daddy’s cb radio…
June 10th, 2009 at 5:15 pmElBruce Says:
For the record, I’m all for destroying the “white” gene pool. The sooner we’re all mixed together indistinguishably, the harder it is for people to come up with justifications for oppression and murder. So it’s not a secret conspiracy from my point of view, but an openly touted goal.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
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This has been happening for a few tens of thousands of years now. We’re all already part Black, part White, part Asian, part American. All it takes is a swab of spit and a few thousand dollars can tell you exactly what your percentages are.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:15 pmGlen Beck is now bleating this white supremacist killer is a “leftist” and the nazis were liberals AND it’s Obama’s fault…all without even drawing a breath. Next up, actor Jon Voight. I’ll leave it with you guys now. I can’t watch insanity on a full stomach.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:15 pmFixed News and the right can spin this all they want but the fact is the guy was one of them, he was a White Supremacist. I’m betting that the few people left who watch Fixed News will sooner or later begin to understand how dangerous they are and how their propaganda leads to people being killed.
And, congratulations for mostly ignoring the odious troll. I just wish that TP would get rid of it once and for all.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:15 pmEspecially when you can’t refute it.
“fute”
Consider yourself ‘futed.’
“fute”
Now you’ve been re-futed. Beat it.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:16 pmIs ironic or just tragic that pisspants is talking about a black man who holds no office and is in no way related to the administration allegedly dissing Jews while today a black man was murdered while doing his job of six years protecting people entering a museum remembering Jews?
What a fcuking idiot.
PEACE
June 10th, 2009 at 5:17 pmiamwhoiam Says:
Secret service should be on high alert around Obama. I’m seriously worried about him.
And that is my big worry too. Especially with Fixed News saying that this shooting was Obama’s fault because of his Cairo speech.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:18 pmDid von Brun pick his target all by himself…or did Al Qaeda pick it for him???
The Holocaust Museum!
I hope Homeland Security is NOT letting these guys take flying lessons.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:18 pmeven the driveling wiperboy here has value. The responses provided by others that have facts and links help others. Not to counter the one trick pony here, but to enlighten the rest.
Besides some of the retorts by the good posters here are stellar.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:19 pmralph,
Go fix your nachos. The troll will have to take a break for more lotion and tissues.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:19 pm“Refute, do not refuse” is the cry of the lost begging, a cry of loneliness and abject sorrow nurtured by its separation from humanity. A mirror! Does he dare? Can he care? Or, alas, does he continue to wave shiny objects as substitution?
June 10th, 2009 at 5:20 pmspencers mom, it’s just a clear sign of desperation. It can’t get anyone to play with, so it’s ramping up the outrageousness, and repeating it endlessly, in the hope of drawing some response, any response.
It’s not having any success.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:21 pmElBruce Says:
I didn’t think he was that bad, but he said something yesterday that really puts me off:
Asked if he had spoken to the president, Wright said: “Them Jews aren’t going to let him talk to me. I told my baby daughter, that he’ll talk to me in five years when he’s a lame duck, or in eight years when he’s out of office. …
June 10th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
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Not the nicest phrasing, sure, but I can understand the reasoning behind it. It’s not a slam on all Jews, it’s a reference to the AIPAC-appeasers who keep the administration treating Israel with kid gloves.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:21 pmWhen are the powers the be going to start waking up to the threat that these right wing terrorists and thier enablers pose to the safety and security of the U.S.?
How many more innocents have to die before we as a nation look these extremists in the eye and say “NO MORE!!”?
June 10th, 2009 at 5:21 pmZooey at 213 is a perfect example.
I’ll be back later. Happy flogging.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:21 pmFrom MSNBC…
The Council on American-Islamic Relations also released a statement: “We condemn this apparent bias-motivated attack and stand with the Jewish community and with Americans of all faiths in repudiating the kind of hatred and intolerance that can lead to such disturbing incidents.”
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I’m not surprised by this statement. What surprises me is that a mainstream medium is reporting it. So often CAIR and other Muslim groups make statements condemning violence and it’s completely ignored by the press. But the media will give plenty of coverage to voices from the right who claim that Muslims are complicit in terrorist violence because they fail to condemn it.
Kudos to MSNBC. Now let’s see how many others will give the CAIR statement some press.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:22 pmI’ll bet it’s primarily directed at Rahm.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:23 pmHi Zooey. Another successful academic year I trust… Another couple of weeks and I expect to have some free time to catch up with you.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:23 pmcheers-
Doom Siren Says: When are the powers the be going to start waking up to the threat that these right wing terrorists and thier enablers pose to the safety and security of the U.S.? How many more innocents have to die before we as a nation look these extremists in the eye and say “NO MORE!!”?
The 2006 and 2008 elections were a start….
June 10th, 2009 at 5:23 pmWhen you said he was a WWII veteran, was he fighting for the US or for the Nazis?
June 10th, 2009 at 5:25 pmKudos to CAIR and to MSNBC for expressing what America REALLY is all about.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:25 pm226. Blue387 Says: When you said he was a WWII veteran, was he fighting for the US or for the Nazis?
Apparently he was against aryan beliefs before he was for them…
June 10th, 2009 at 5:27 pmI’d like to see what Fox News would say about it, myself. Aside from nothing at all.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:28 pmIt’s time for me to go.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:29 pmRemember Stephen Tyrone Johns and his family.
Keep the progressive conversation going and beware but unafraid of shiny objects.
ralph. If have been considering a new line of inquiry that examines the lack of successful social affiliations amongst the members of the study group. I have been tossing the idea around for awhile but it is starting to gel and I thnk it has real potential…
June 10th, 2009 at 5:30 pmRemember, you can’t spell, “obamawipe$” without ‘a. w.i.m.p.’
June 10th, 2009 at 5:33 pmcovered_10 Says
June 10th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Glen Beck is now bleating this white supremacist killer is a “leftist” and the nazis were liberals AND it’s Obama’s fault…all without even drawing a breath.
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Is there anybody who has seen this who can relate how Beck can explain such idiocy? I’m afraid I don’t have what it takes to listen to him myself.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:33 pmoh, and dbadass, thanks for the inspiration for “the lost begging”.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:34 pmdbadass Says:
Hi Zooey. Another successful academic year I trust… Another couple of weeks and I expect to have some free time to catch up with you.
cheers-
June 10th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Absolutment!! Looking forward to it…
June 10th, 2009 at 5:34 pmThat does sound promising, dbadass. I have long suspected a fractured social network to be at the root of many of these cases of vivid abnormal psychology.
The amount of time some of these cases devote to their craft is reason enough to suspect a high degree of social isolation.
I look forward to following your line of inquiry.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:34 pmYes. CAIR condemned the murderer of Pvt. Long. It’s on their website. Though I haven’t seen many “right-leaning” sources condemn the actions of this hateful old man, or the groups who shared and fed his hate. Heck! Freeperville is busy destroying evidence as we speak. In my book, that makes them accomplices.
Accomplice. Conspiracy. Incitement. Complicity. Accessory.
All are legal terms and they all describe the part of the far-right BS machine in many recent tragedies. I’m hopeful that, one day soon, we will see a number of big federal cases built around those words and the concepts they describe. It’s time for the guilty to be rounded up, tried, convicted, and sentenced.
If the law won’t do it? It’s time to change the law.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:37 pmDon’t give up on that Freeper link, yet, folks. Someone at Free Republic just put it back up for some reason.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:38 pmobamawipe$ Says:
Did cair condemn the muslim convert killer?
June 10th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
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There’s nothing on their web site about it, but they do condemn the plot against the New York synagogues:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:38 pmOh, and CAIR has issued numerous condemnations of terrorism and extremism in all forms, which covers any and all incidents of violence committed by any Muslim. So, yes, they did condemn the Little Rock shooting.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:39 pm“The Lost Begging”… sounds like a great title for an academic paper. Or even a wide-audience book.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:41 pmI’m willing to reply to posts from trolls that are at least roughly on topic, but when they’re desperately trying to divert the thread, Flag ‘n Freeze is the only correct response.
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covered_10 Says:
Glen Beck is now bleating this white supremacist killer is a “leftist” and the nazis were liberals AND it’s Obama’s fault…all without even drawing a breath.
Got a link?
While trying to Google it, I only found this.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:41 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
226. Blue387 Says: When you said he was a WWII veteran, was he fighting for the US or for the Nazis?
Apparently he was against aryan beliefs before he was for them…
From what I’ve seen of his record, and assuming it’s true, he served in the Pacific so he wasn’t forced to fight the Nazis. It’s kind of a pity. Perhaps, had he been in Europe, he would have seen what the Nazis did first hand and realized that they were pure evil.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:42 pmThese past few months have seen a depressing rise in vigilante/take-the-law-into-your-own-violent-hands behavior. The rantings of the right wing pundits has to be considered a major factor since they have ramped up their rhetoric since last November.
Another factor is the fact we have war criminals who remain not only at large but taking up air time justifying their actions. This puts out the idea that they got away with things and the law is a joke.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:42 pmAnd we have radical Southern Baptist cleric Wiley Drake putting a fatwa on Obama with his imprecatory prayers asking god to kill the president.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:45 pmRev. Drake- Jesus thinks you’re a jerk.
From this guy’s bio on a White Supremacist website:
This is a very scary guy who belongs to a very scary group of guys. Why was he able to own a gun and why on earth wasn’t he being watched?
June 10th, 2009 at 5:46 pmRIP Stephen Tyrone Johns.
You are a hero who most certainly gave his life to prevent many more senseless deaths.
Thank you TP and posters for all the info you’ve dug up on this Freeper wingnut. Knowing so many sane minds reside in our county makes these times a little less terrifying.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:46 pmThe demented troll Jeffy Bovine = olby sucks = obama…$ = habib = etc.
lives in central California. He does MILK HORSES for a living.
He has admitted to owning a stash of AK-47’s.
We have seen he is a coward, ignorant racist and bigot.
He also admitted to belong to a “club” of internet vigilantes.
He is also a closet homosexual in his 40+’s.
While his idiotic activities in the internet earn him nothing but derision, I do believe we all need to know the kind of RW lunatic this troll is, just in case.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:50 pmBilbo:
From what I’ve read he wasn’t allowed to own guns due to his previous felony.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:50 pmPresident Obama and AG Holder need to step up to the plate here. They need to listen to the DHS report and let America know terrorism isn’t just Muslims. They have to let us all know that our laws will be enforced, no matter who the perpetrator is. They need to do something to shut the apologists and maniacs down.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:52 pmNews Corp. forms diversity council after cartoon
By JESSE WASHINGTON (AP National Writer)
From Associated Press
June 10, 2009 3:44 PM EDT
News Corp. has agreed to form an external diversity council after meeting with civil rights groups about a New York Post cartoon that critics said likened President Barack Obama to a dead chimpanzee.
The company will form a “diversity community council” in New York City that will meet with senior company executives twice a year, NAACP President and CEO Benjamin Todd Jealous said Wednesday. It also will include a statement of commitment to diversity in its annual report.
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I would prefer they dump Glenda Beck
June 10th, 2009 at 5:53 pmOops! Too quick on the button.
I would guess that, if the authorities were aware of this guy, they may have made the tragic mistake of assuming he was too old to be dangerous. There’s a strong urge to dismiss the ravings of the old.
Alas, we ignore the wisdom of the sane ones as well.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:54 pmjohnny dol1ar, Hey, I live in central California!
June 10th, 2009 at 5:55 pmI emailed Faiz. I have had ENOUGH.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:59 pmAnd the entire smear of Rev. Wright was just another Rovian lie. He was repeating a white Admirals words when he said the things he’s persecuted for. He and Father Pflager, the priest who was also vilified during the election who has done more to help impoverished kids survive in the city of Chicago than anybody else have done nothing to deserve this abuse.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:03 pmI WILL.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:04 pmCan’t help feeling that o-wipe is here to establish an alibi to tell the feds when they come knocking.
I wonder what his name is over at Free Republic?
June 10th, 2009 at 6:05 pm254 Keith
Fill in the blank: 956_ _
Again. This moron Jeffy Bovine has not gone berserk yet.
I am challenging him again to grow an ovary and admit his racism and bigotry, in public, instead of posting slanderous comments including the suggestion to waterboard then presidential candidate Barack Hussein Obama.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:09 pmI was raised Jewish myself and I can tell you by “them Jews” he meant Axelrod and Emmanuel. I’m not sure it is as sweeping a condemnation as it seems.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:12 pmOoops
Make that
237 Keith
June 10th, 2009 at 6:13 pmBrilliant comment MOM, thanks.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:21 pmI think it’s worth mentioning that there is too much allowing for that troll to frame any discussion, which just hijacks it. As blog commenters on Think Progress are not card-carrying defenders of the rhetoric of Rev. Wright, why spend so much time even addressing the ridiculousness of an ‘equivalent’ argument by the troll? It’s flailing. We know regardless of Wright’s words that they don’t represent left, liberal, or progressive people AS A WHOLE. So why even care to respond?
To be fair, there’s a great deal of generalization of the right when it comes to blog topics like white supremacist gunmen. Just as the troll’s argument is ridiculous, obviously we can’t attack the complete right as white supremacist. What the troll can’t deal with is the fact that at the end of the day, most white supremacists have been influenced by rhetoric that mainly comes from the right fringe, and not the left. It’s easy to see this on free republic and redstate, various pundits, etc.
I think there’s generally a good job avoiding simplistic generalizations, but this troll in particular is an example of not becoming the worst of the other side.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:23 pmI do believe we all need to know the kind of RW lunatic this troll is, just in case
June 10th, 2009 at 6:24 pm—-
I don’t give a shit what sort of little child he is. I will beat em senseless each and everytime I see em and all I need is my hands…
Cal Malenky Says:
And we have radical Southern Baptist cleric Wiley Drake putting a fatwa on Obama with his imprecatory prayers asking god to kill the president.
Holy crap!
The crazy train is pulling away from the station and picking up steam…
June 10th, 2009 at 6:41 pmThe white supremecist shooter of today is old enough to have been in WWII. I wonder if he saw the concentration camps first hand?
June 10th, 2009 at 7:13 pmThe Republican party is a festering wound.
They will find out soon enough, how Democrats really feel about criminals and crime. They’ll find that we aren’t the candied-assed cartoon they think we are.
This dark underside of our society has always been with us. The internet is no place to hide—though the group think can certainly feed on itself and multiply on hate web sites. I like seeing the searches of the shooter. It’s doubtful that the MSM will cover this any better than they cover anything else.
I suspect it feels that Fox news and R Congresspeople reacting to every nomination and issue as if white men were under siege is a contributing factor. The remedy is for the public to see this man punished to the full extent of the law and for everyone to know that federal agencies are watching these hate groups.
June 10th, 2009 at 7:13 pmTHE KILLER WAS A DEMOCRAT NOT A RIGHT WINGER
June 10th, 2009 at 7:14 pmHi Jimmy Big Bucks:
June 10th, 2009 at 7:18 pmHow’s it going. I am a little bored. Wanna talk?
Nothing cries out a poser more than posting the same exact comment in more than one place…
June 10th, 2009 at 7:25 pmMarie Says:
The white supremecist shooter of today is old enough to have been in WWII. I wonder if he saw the concentration camps first hand?
Word is he served in the Pacific in the big one.
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Jimmy Big Bucks Says:
THE KILLER WAS A DEMOCRAT NOT A RIGHT WINGER
The killer was a racist, neo-Nazi, antisemitic right winger. He hasn’t been a Democrat since 1968.
June 10th, 2009 at 7:41 pmAs long as anyone who has a pulse can get a gun of any sort just by giving the money to a gun seller, and as long as the Reich Wingers continue to spew their hate of anything that is not white and Christian on radio and TV (Tiller the Baby Killer, O’Lielly?), we will continue to have innocent citizens gunned down in the streets, in the churches, in the national parks and in historical institutions. There are a lot of crazy, unhinged people in this country who hate anything and anyone who is not like them (white, Christian) and we are going to reap the whirlwind as long as the hatemongers on the radio and TV continue to egg them on. When will we ever learn to live in peace? My guess is never….sorry, I’ve just had it with these nutbags and cannot continue to be optimistic about the direction our country is taking. Looks as if I will live to see anarchy reign in this country, unfortunately. What the hell happened to “love, peace and understanding?”
June 10th, 2009 at 7:45 pmglogrrl Says:
What the hell happened to “love, peace and understanding?”
Only liberals ever signed on to that. The wingnuts went in the opposite direction.
June 10th, 2009 at 8:17 pmI understand the reactions to such phenomenon. It puts your heart in your throat. But this, and the murder of Doctor Tiller is evidence of fearful desperation, hatefulness, and ignorance. These aren’t strengths. The nuts aren’t going to take over. If anything, they will cause people who are normally indifferent to politics, or think that the “isms” are a thing of the past, to be vocal in their opposition to extremes.
Most people, even those who harbor some bigotry, aren’t hateful and murderous. This feels like the summer of 68 or 69, in some ways. Almost all Americans draw the line at murder, regardless of their political affiliations.
June 10th, 2009 at 8:30 pmWith today’s shooting and the assassination of Dr. George Tiller, that homeland security report on rieghtwing extremists was right on the mark after all.
Funny how Pete Hoekstra wanted to investigate the DHS over that report…wonder how petey feels now…perhaps, like all good rieghtwingers he will somehow rationalize these actions by his colleagues…
June 10th, 2009 at 8:34 pmjohnny dol1ar, more like 934__. Think Pismo and you wouldn’t be too far off.
BillO tonight only wanted to talk about the army recruiter killing—-not Dr. Tiller and not today’s.
June 10th, 2009 at 9:15 pmglogrrl
June 10th, 2009 at 9:25 pmAnybody into Elvis is down with me…
dbadass: Loved the King……..unfortunately, I think he was a bit of a racist, but almost everybody was in those days…..still doesn’t make it right.
June 10th, 2009 at 9:30 pmElBruce Says:
covered_10 Says:
Glen Beck is now bleating this white supremacist killer is a “leftist” and the nazis were liberals AND it’s Obama’s fault…all without even drawing a breath.
Got a link?
While trying to Google it, I only found this.
I was watching it live when I wrote that. Prolly 50/ 50 on whether it makes the video clips by tonight…that’s standard fare for him.
June 10th, 2009 at 9:42 pmKeith Says:
BillO tonight only wanted to talk about the army recruiter killing—-not Dr. Tiller and not today’s.
I guess they find certain murders more politically convenient than others.
June 10th, 2009 at 9:44 pmA$$wipe. What is wrong with you? Why in the WORLD havent you killed yourself yet?
June 10th, 2009 at 10:15 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
THE KILLER WAS A DEMOCRAT NOT A RIGHT WINGER
Umm, this is a quote from the killer:
“Bit by bit Liberalism ascended. Bit by bit the Constitution was re-interpreted. Bit by bit government institutions and Congressmen fell into JEW hands –then U.S. diplomacy, businesses, resources and manpower came under JEW control,” one such message reads. “Whitemen sat on their collective asses and did NOTHING — NOTHING BUT TALK.” (Source CNN.com)
Liberalism ascended, eh? Oh yeah, he was totally a leftie. RIiiiiight.
June 10th, 2009 at 10:36 pmDefinitely not liberal. Definitely not going to get out of prison again. Thanks to hate crime legislation, he will be serving a longer sentence than he would for murdering someone in a hold-up. Thanks to his age, he probably won’t live longer than the sentence.
It’s sad that a person could become so twisted with hate and paranoia. Many people are making themselves sick with this, and Fox is egging them on.
June 10th, 2009 at 10:53 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
THE KILLER WAS A DEMOCRAT NOT A RIGHT WINGER
Proof? oH I forgot, Glenn Beck said so and that’s all the proof you need…Think for yourself…
June 10th, 2009 at 11:13 pmDude, that is sooooo deep.
June 10th, 2009 at 11:56 pmStrawberryGirlStrawberryGirl
Jonny is an ignorant punkass troll he isnt interested in the truth or even making sense. Just trolling
June 11th, 2009 at 12:29 amJimmy Big Bucks Says:
THE KILLER WAS A DEMOCRAT NOT A RIGHT WINGER
Apparently he had a “Bush/Cheney ‘04″ sticker on his car. OOPS!
Even freerepublic is admitting it…scroll down on the link.
Have a nice day.
Sincerely,
BHL
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/10/740891/-UPDATE-4:-How-many-freepers-applauded-Holocaust-Museum-shooters-racist-rant-last-December” rel=”nofollow”>
June 11th, 2009 at 12:45 amhttp://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/10/740891/-UPDATE-4:-How-many-freepers-applauded-Holocaust-Museum-shooters-racist-rant-last-December
There is enough hyperlinks in these posts to refute any attempt to put blame on the left. Looks like the kooks on the right have to double talk twice as much now.
June 11th, 2009 at 12:48 amHey Jimmy,
Who do you suppose the 88-year old white supremacist “democrat” voted for in ‘08? The old white guy? Or the young black guy?
June 11th, 2009 at 12:54 amHere’s another interesting thing from DailyKos. Von Brunn might not even be the same guy who ran as a Democrat in 1968.
Oddly, I still have yet to see any evidence regarding what he was supposed have run for at all.
June 11th, 2009 at 1:34 amPOETIC JUSTICE= Round up theses pigs and put them in Guantanamo indefinitely, and use enhanced interrogation to keep us all safe from TERRORISM !!!!
June 11th, 2009 at 9:53 am______
Doodlebug Shayne Says:
I was raised Jewish myself and I can tell you by “them Jews” he meant Axelrod and Emmanuel. I’m not sure it is as sweeping a condemnation as it seems.
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Conversely, would you also excuse a white person who used the term “Them blacks?”
June 11th, 2009 at 2:59 pmbsober Says:
POETIC JUSTICE= Round up theses pigs and put them in Guantanamo indefinitely, and use enhanced interrogation to keep us all safe from TERRORISM !!!!
No.
June 12th, 2009 at 2:04 am