Liz Cheney Falsely Claims Bush ‘Did Not Say’ Gitmo Detainees Should Be Tried In U.S. Courts
Liz Cheney Falsely Claims Bush ‘Did Not Say’ Gitmo Detainees Should Be Tried In U.S. Courts
Last night, Vice President Cheney’s daughter Liz appeared on a mainstream American television news media outlet, this time on Campbell Brown’s CNN show. During a contentious “Great Debate” segment with Salon’s Joan Walsh, Liz Cheney was trying to argue that bringing Guantanamo Bay detainees to U.S. soil “makes us less safe” and that they should remain where they currently reside.
To make her argument, Cheney also continued her penchant for false claims. At one point in the debate, Walsh noted that military leaders want Gitmo closed and that even President Bush once said it should be closed and that some detainees should tried in the U.S. Cheney, however, disagreed:
WALSH: Liz, the top — the top military leaders of our country want Guantanamo closed. President Bush, in June 2009 [sic], gave a speech where he said he would close it, and he would bring people home and try them here.
CHENEY: No, I’m sorry.
WALSH: President Bush said that.
CHENEY: He did not say he would bring terrorists onto the homeland. Joan, no, he didn’t say that.
Watch it:
Walsh is right, Bush did say that. During a June 2006 press conference at a U.S.-EU summit, Bush called for Gitmo to be closed and to have some of the detainees tried in U.S. courts:
BUSH: I’d like to end Guantanamo. I’d like it to be over with. One of the things we will do is we’ll send people back to their home countries. [...] There are some who need to be tried in U.S. courts. They’re cold-blooded killers. They will murder somebody if they’re let out on the street. And yet, we believe there’s a — there ought to be a way forward in a court of law.
However, Cheney’s canards didn’t end there. She also offered the debunked claim that “14 percent” of Gitmo detainees have “returned to the battlefield,” a claim Walsh noted is “not true.” Indeed, last week the New York Times issued a correction to its story, saying that the number is closer to 5 percent.
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Liz needs to stay close to her Fox News buddies so she doesn’t have to deal with pesky things like facts and truth
June 10th, 2009 at 4:34 pmDid she also stick her fingers in her ears and say “la la la I CAN’T HEAR YOU!”?
What a bimbo. She can lie all she likes, it does not change the truth.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:34 pmShe’s her fathers daughter for sure.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:36 pmDick and DickLiz (you heard it here first!) sure do know how to lie.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:38 pmShut the f uck up, you stupid cow.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:39 pmThe lying gene is strong in this one Obi Wan…
June 10th, 2009 at 4:40 pmLiz, history will remember you as your father’s tool. You know that, right?
History doesn’t have an erase button…no matter what your dad and mom say!
June 10th, 2009 at 4:42 pmIf all of the factual claims underlying your opinion are provably false, then your opinion is worthless.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:42 pmAh, yes, the HOMELAND. The Reich-Wingers needed to come up with a different word than FATHERLAND, which was used by the Nazis, so they started using HOMELAND.
But when they use it, it means the same thing.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:42 pmLying Lizzy forgot that Bush said alot of things with the cameras rolling! How ’bout those press conferences?! Liz Cheney is one bald face lying chick.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:43 pm…there is another-Yoda to Obi Wan. Too bad Darth’s child took the path of the dark side like her father.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:43 pmJ. Fred Smug Says:
Ah, yes, the HOMELAND. The Reich-Wingers needed to come up with a different word than FATHERLAND, which was used by the Nazis, so they started using HOMELAND.
The Soviets already took “motherland.”
June 10th, 2009 at 4:43 pmA Cheney lying? Do tell.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:48 pmHowever, Cheney’s canards didn’t end there. She also offered the debunked claim that “14 percent” of Gitmo detainees have “returned to the battlefield,” a claim Walsh noted is “not true.” Indeed, last week the New York Times issued a correction to its story, saying that the number is closer to 5 percent.
Ok. Let me get this straight. Say Gitmo has had 1000 prisoners over the past few years. Some of which are still in custody. Say 750 have been released. Out of those that were brought there and released, 5% returned to the battlefield.
That’s 37 people. 37. These same 37 people were for some reason released. Lack of evidence, lack of any crime to begin with, etc. So the real question is, why exactly are they so concerned with 37 people that returned to the battlefield after they’ve been released? I’ll tell you, they were illegally incarcerated. That’s why.
The fact that Cheney emphasizes and distorts this number against her favor for having the detention center to begin with is idiotic. It shows just how much she understands.
NOTE: Since the military/cia will not release information on the number or type of prisoners at Gitmo, we can never know for sure how accurate any assumptions regarding percentages. Keep in mind the percentage used is of “Gitmo detainees” not of “Gitmo detainees which have been released”. Two completely different numbers. And anyone reporting on this should note that fact.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:48 pmEach time the Cheney’s are caught lying they should be forced to pay $100,000.00 to the Iraqi homeless orphans fund and $100,000 to the Disabled Military Veterans fund.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:50 pmAre all Cheney’s born with an extra gene for lying?
June 10th, 2009 at 4:57 pmI just figured out how the wingnuts all keep up on the same page of their ever changing alternate reality. The whole thing is preset.
For instance, President Obama is brings the detainees into the country to be tried, so that is automatically a bad thing. Since that is now a bad thing in the new alternate reality, George W. Bush could never have said he would do any such thing.
I always wondered how they could instantly pass on the changes to reality amongst all wingnuts, but it turns out it’s just a system that seems to be ingrained in their feral little minds.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:57 pmHer dad should probably tell her that you’re supposed to wait until you’re in office before you start telling such transparent whoppers. She’s rapidly ensuring her own unelectability.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:59 pmThe most insane, most angering and most frustrating thing about the Cheney’s, Carl Rove and all of those who are trying to hide the truth is that they just ignore the facts. They can be confronted with the truth either in written or video form and still deny it. It’s beyond any logic. Maybe Liz is just standing beside her father like a daughter is supposed to do but there comes a point where you have to say, “You are wrong, you have committed terrible crimes. I cannot support this anymore.”
June 10th, 2009 at 4:59 pmWhen they say “homeland”
June 10th, 2009 at 5:10 pmThey want us to think “country”
But really mean “womb”
certain persons have the uncanny ability to invent their own truths and burnish themselves against even the seemingly insurmountable proofs to the contrary. one can trace this line through the ages – all the way to the middle ages and how the catholic church, rather obstinately, held onto archaic beliefs in spite of empirical evidence to the contrary. the church was the arbiter and thus final authority on all matters of truth – a sort of god of both metaphysics and epistemology.
what we have here in the two (dicks) is a continuation of this ancient struggle: can man rely on external measurements of truth, namely, reality OR do we need an institution to tell us what is truth (the two dicks) – you get my point
therefore, present whatever evidence in support of any position and they shall simply sidestep it given their transcendental powers of creating their own truths. so dick must be trusted when she claims that bush never said he’d try gitmo prisoners in u.s courts – not because bush never said it, for that is beside the point. we need not look into that, the final authority has spoken – much like the pope speaking ex cathedra, well here we have the two dicks blessing all things related to torture, lying, murder and whatever they deem expedient. so enough with the questions about inconsistencies and false claims – dick jr. much like dick sr. create their own truths and are thus not restrained with foolish logic
June 10th, 2009 at 5:10 pmmicalpeace, you don’t understand. In a criminal organization, like the Republican Party, the commission of crimes is looked upon favorably. In fact, you aren’t a “made” Republican until you have committed some crimes. The other Republicans won’t trust you unless you can prove you are also a criminal.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:11 pmWhy is this site so obsessed with Liz Cheney? She is the daughter of the former VP. She does not hold any office. She is not a candidate for any office. I don’t get it.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:12 pmmicalpeace Says:
The most insane, most angering and most frustrating thing about the Cheney’s, Carl Rove and all of those who are trying to hide the truth is that they just ignore the facts. They can be confronted with the truth either in written or video form and still deny it. It’s beyond any logic.
The more we get the actual facts out there, the more they’re just advertising their own insanity every time they open their mouths.
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micalpeace Says:
Maybe Liz is just standing beside her father like a daughter is supposed to do but there comes a point where you have to say, “You are wrong, you have committed terrible crimes. I cannot support this anymore.”
Or she could even say “I still think you’re right, but I’m looking like an idiot defending all this in public, I should just go home and shut up.”
June 10th, 2009 at 5:17 pmThe MSM should have a warning before anyone named “Cheney” gets ready to speak:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:21 pmWARNING: WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO HEAR IS A LIE AND CONTAINS HATE LANGUAGE THAT MAY BE OFFENSIVE TO MOST VIEWERS.
Parental discretion is advised!!
Liz is a liar, just like her WAR CRIMINAL father.
Fcuk the Republic Fascist Party
June 10th, 2009 at 5:24 pmJohnM
Maybe TP would not be covering Liz Cheney so often if she weren’t appearing and lying on television so often. Your admission that “She does not hold any office. She is not a candidate for any office” describes perfectly why she should not be on TV so frequently to spout her lies–oops, I meant opinions.
JohnM Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:31 pmWhy is this site so obsessed with Liz Cheney? She is the daughter of the former VP. She does not hold any office. She is not a candidate for any office. I don’t get it.
Why are we suddenly asking the opinion of Liz Cheney…on all sorts of matters….exactly why is she an authority on anything…except maybe her father and her lifestyle.
Please ….I’d rather hear Chelsea Clinton…that’s fair.
Don’t cha think …??
L.Laks
June 10th, 2009 at 5:37 pmMendocino, CA
Why is this site so obsessed with Liz Cheney? She is the daughter of the former VP. She does not hold any office. She is not a candidate for any office. I don’t get it.
I kinda confused why Liz Chaney is all over TV in the last month too John. She does not hold office nor is she a candidate.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:39 pmI guess is “so obsessed” with Liz because she is such a liar. Can you explain why Republicans seem to have an issue with the truth?
John, what are you doing here? You should be at Free Republic helping your friends figure out how to spin the fact that one of your Freeper buddies just committed an act of terrorism.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:41 pmJohnM Says:
I don’t get it.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
That’s been clear all along.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:42 pmCheney… truth… those words don’t go together…
JohnM Says:
Why is this site so obsessed with Liz Cheney? She is the daughter of the former VP. She does not hold any office. She is not a candidate for any office. I don’t get it.
There clearly are quite a few things you do not get but maybe if she wasn’t on national TV every 5 minutes lying to the American public every chance she gets, we wouldn’t care.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:50 pmCheney is a lying creep, just like her father. We need to point out her hateful dishonesty every time she opens her lying, un-American mouth.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:52 pmHow do they know the released detainees have returned to the battlefield ? Have they been recaptured ? Have they simply returned to their homes in Iraq or Afghanistan, which are now
battlefields ?
Most of them weren’t plucked from the battlefield to begin with.
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JohnM Says:
I don’t get it.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
That’s been clear all along
You are so clever. Just the typical progressive way of quoting somebody. This site has taught you a great deal.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:55 pmJohnM Says:
Why is this site so obsessed with Liz Cheney? She is the daughter of the former VP. She does not hold any office. She is not a candidate for any office. I don’t get it.
Apparently people keep asking her to give her “opinions” on TV. Thus, they are matters of public debate. Because she made it so.
I would be happy to not have to talk about her. That would involve her shutting her lying yap.
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krystalview Says:
The MSM should have a warning before anyone named “Cheney” gets ready to speak:
WARNING: WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO HEAR IS A LIE AND CONTAINS HATE LANGUAGE THAT MAY BE OFFENSIVE TO MOST VIEWERS.
Parental discretion is advised!!
Or they could just bleep everything she says. That’d be hilarious.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:56 pmkdgamergirl Says:
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Cheney… truth… those words don’t go together…
JohnM Says:
Why is this site so obsessed with Liz Cheney? She is the daughter of the former VP. She does not hold any office. She is not a candidate for any office. I don’t get it.
There clearly are quite a few things you do not get but maybe if she wasn’t on national TV every 5 minutes lying to the American public every chance she gets, we wouldn’t care.
You don’t seem to have a problem with sites like this that lie and distort quotes whenever possible. So I will just assume you have selective obsession over lying.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:57 pmJohnM Says:
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So I will just assume you have selective obsession over lying.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
How can you possibly post something this hypocritical , you moronic jackass ?
June 10th, 2009 at 6:00 pmShe misspeaks often. So often, that it’s surprising that she’s considered a creditable guest.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:01 pm*
The Cheney lies remind me of this guy I saw on some nighttime news-zine. His wife disappeared, and he denied for 10 years that he had anything to do with it. He swore she just walked away from her family and that she was still alive somewhere. He even took a magazine picture to the police once and insisted it was her and that it proved she was alive. Anyhow, eventually his father confesses that his son ‘accidentally’ killed her during a fight and that he helped bury her. The moral of the story, I guess, is that once you commit crimes, a little lying to stay out of jail is nothing. And you can count on your family to cover it up…for a while, at least.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:18 pmLiz Cheney has mastered the right wing skill of not letting reality get in the way of her rhetoric.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:23 pmI can understand how someone could be confused over what Bush said about something, as he apparently says things in private that are directly at odds with what he says in public or on the record. That can make “what Bush said” kind of a confusing thing to discuss.
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JohnM Says:
You don’t seem to have a problem with sites like this that lie and distort quotes whenever possible. So I will just assume you have selective obsession over lying.
They’re neither lies nor distorted. They just don’t fit with your alternative reality. However, they are correct here on planet Earth.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:28 pmThis bimbo really does give blondes a bad name. Why doesn’t she just pack it in and go home?
June 10th, 2009 at 6:33 pmPerhaps JohnM should not visit this site if he has a problem with our opinions. We would not miss him much.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:36 pmWhy is she allowed to continue spreading inaccurate information?? Is she really that ignorant or is she just a flat out liar?? And why doesn’t CNN correct Liz??
June 10th, 2009 at 6:58 pmJohnM Says:
So I will just assume you have selective obsession over lying.
Considering most everything she says can be refuted by video tape I’d say you lost this battle. May I ask why you’re here if we “lie” so much? Wouldn’t you be more at home with your lying ilk at say freepers?
June 10th, 2009 at 7:27 pmSKdeAnt Says:
Perhaps JohnM should not visit this site if he has a problem with our opinions.
Oddly enough, this post isn’t really about any opinions. Liz Cheney was saying Bush didn’t say what he said. It’s like pointing at a blue car and arguing about whether it’s blue or red. Maybe wingnuts consider that to be a matter of “opinion,” but here in this reality we just call that “crazy.”
June 10th, 2009 at 8:07 pmSpeaking of George W. Bush: he murdered Margie Schoedinger!
SCANDAL! SCANDAL! SCANDAL!
EMERGENCY! EMERGENCY! EMERGENCY!
George W. Bush continuously criminally stalked Margie Schoedinger to the point that she could not get away from it, and she committed suicide in desperation to escape: he murdered her.
“In her suit, Margie Schoedinger states that George W. Bush committed sexual crimes against her, organized harassment and moral pressure on her, her family members and close relatives and friends. As Schoedinger said, she was strongly recommended to keep her mouth shut. . . . Furthermore, she alleges that George Bush ordered to show pressure on her to the point, when she commits suicide” (blog of drizzten).
“One of those very least were George Bush’s personal complicity in the death (murder to be precise) of my friend Margie Schoedinger in September of 2003” (Leola McConnell (Nevada Progressive Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate in 2010)).
Leola McConnell is correct: Bush applying pressure (continuously criminally stalking Margie Schoedinger) purposefully to force Margie Schoedinger to commit suicide does in fact constitute murder.
Bush is a racist hate criminal and hates black people (andrewyu-jenwang.blogspot.com).
BEWARE: If the president of the United States hates one—for whatever reasons—he can continuously criminally stalk one to the point that one cannot get away from it, and one ultimately commits suicide in desperation to escape. He can murder people in this way.
Bush is getting away with his murder of Margie Schoedinger—with no sheriff, prosecutor, or court willing to uphold the rule of law.
Bush’s method of murdering Margie Schoedinger cannot exist in a vacuum: he must have murdered other people in the same way.
Bush should confess, come out with the names of all of the people whom he murdered in the disgusting way he murdered Margie Schoedinger, undergo execution, and accordingly find himself at the intersection where he would be free.
(There are thousands of copies of the information above on the Internet. It exists very extensively in all major search engines. Please feel free to go to any major search engine, type “George W. Bush continuously criminally stalked Margie Schoedinger to the point that she could not get away from it, and she committed suicide in desperation to escape: he murdered her,” hit “Enter,” and find innumerable results.)
June 10th, 2009 at 8:07 pm_______________
Andrew Yu-Jen Wang
(a.k.a. “THE DISSEMINATING MACHINE”)
B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996
Messiah College, Grantham, PA
Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993
Why do people debate the lying Cheney’s when we all know all there going to do is lie and lay blame on others much like the GOP? I just wish she and her “evil” father would go on “Countdown” and “The Rachel Maddow Show” or even “Hardball”?
June 10th, 2009 at 9:12 pmDoh! lookout Whacky Wang is back!
June 10th, 2009 at 9:54 pmJohnM Says:
Why is this site so obsessed with Liz Cheney? She is the daughter of the former VP. She does not hold any office. She is not a candidate for any office. I don’t get it.
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Pointing out that someone is LYING on a newsprogram isnt being obsessed with them anymore than arresting Bank robbers means you are obsessed with them? If this concept is to complicated for your tiny brain perhaps this isnt the venue for you.
June 10th, 2009 at 10:03 pmJohnM Says:
You are so clever. Just the typical progressive way of quoting somebody. This site has taught you a great deal.
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You are so STUPID. Just the typical mindless brainwashed conservative way of making a fool out of yourself
June 10th, 2009 at 10:07 pmJohnM Says:
You don’t seem to have a problem with sites like this that lie and distort quotes whenever possible. So I will just assume you have selective obsession over lying.
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You are a liar and a fool. Clearly you have no problem with being a liar and a fool. Clearly you LIKE being a liar and a fool or you just dont get how STUPID you are. Either way you are an ignorant punk
June 10th, 2009 at 10:09 pmOh, I know, but I was just attempting to be diplomatic. Why O bother I do not know, after all this is JohnM we’re talking about…
June 10th, 2009 at 11:12 pmLiz Cheney, like her parents, is a liar. If she were part of the Bush Administration she should be impeached like the rest of them, found guilty of war crimes and thrown in prison, preferably Guantanamo, or maybe Abu Ghraib. Or would she like to be passed around by the Blackwell boys, since she’s a lesbian? All mean think that lesbians secretly want to have sex with men. How about it Liz, hmm, hmm, hmm.
June 11th, 2009 at 12:35 amThat is, All Men. Sorry for the misspelling. I want you to know how much smarter I am than any Cheney who ever lived. Before he became a member of PNAC, a man who wanted war on any and every country in the Middle East and extra money from the wars of the Bush administration, he was known as a mediocre businessman. He’s still mediocre–but rich as Croesus and the kind of guy you don’t want to go “hunting” with because he’ll shoot you in the face “by mistake.” And he threatened Paul Wellstone. A week later Wellstone and most of his family crashed in a plane and no investigation was ever done.
June 11th, 2009 at 12:41 amsnarlah Says:
Liz Cheney, like her parents, is a liar…
Flag. Seriously uncool post there. Leave being a stupid pig to the right wingers, please.
June 11th, 2009 at 1:10 am.
Like a Good (R)epublican…
… Liz Cheney has lost touch with reality.
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June 11th, 2009 at 1:26 amElBruce,
When Liz Cheney insists that the “CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS/MEMOS” in the room she can name, prove that her dad’s assertion that the use of torture has saved hundreds of US lives…
… Know that she IS lying.
These documents she holds up are… CLASSIFIED.
How does she know what is contained in them? She doesn’t because they are classified!
Yet, she insists that the information contained will exonerate her father. How does she know, so assuredly so? She can’t and and as result, has to resort to bluffying her ass off. The pretense that she knows, IS A LIE, because she doesn’t know, either way.
June 11th, 2009 at 1:37 amA Cheney, lie!?
I am shocked!
June 11th, 2009 at 1:41 am.
Why Obama is Fighting to Keep the Detainee Abuse Photographs Secret
Written by Jason Leopold
Wednesday, 10 June 2009
http://www.pubrecord.org/torture/941-why-obama-is-fighting-to-keep-the-detainee-abuse-photographs-secret.html
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June 11th, 2009 at 1:42 amMax Anax junius -1 Says:
How does she know what is contained in them? She doesn’t because they are classified!
I believe there was a Senator (with the proper clearance) who said he’s seen the ones Cheney’s talking about and they don’t say what he says they say, at all.
June 11th, 2009 at 2:48 amI GOT IT!!! (Dances a jig)
I have for weeks been trying to figure out who she reminds me of…both physically AND mentally…
TONYA HARDIN !!!
June 11th, 2009 at 6:47 amI look at Lizzy as a National Troll. What is her credential? “I worked in the Govt! Now because of my last name you’re entitled to my brain washed opinion.” Go away and earn some credibility.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:34 amLiz Cheney is just a typical Republican. All she does is pull crap out of her butt, and fling it. Truth isn’t even a concept for these people.
June 11th, 2009 at 12:26 pm