Operation Rescue interested in buying Dr. Tiller’s clinic.
Operation Rescue interested in buying Dr. Tiller’s clinic.
After the brutal assassination of Dr. George Tiller, his family discussed closing down his controversial abortion clinic. Surprisingly, anti-choice group Operation Rescue — which had made closing down Tiller’s clinic one if its main goals — opposed the move. “Good God, do not close this abortion clinic for this reason,” said president Troy Newman. “Every kook in the world will get some notion.” However, yesterday, the Tiller family announced that the clinic will be “permanently closed.” Kate Klonick observes that “it seems like Newman isn’t quite as upset by the means of closing the clinic — at least not upset enough not to see his movement profit from it.” From the Kansas City Star:
Operation Rescue president Troy Newman said that his group has discussed the idea of buying the tan, windowless clinic in east Wichita. He made the comment after the Tiller family announced that the clinic would be closed permanently.
“I would love to make an offer on that abortion clinic, and that’s some of the discussion that we’re having,” Newman said in a telephone interview Tuesday from his group’s headquarters in Wichita.
It’s unclear for what purpose Operation Rescue would use the clinic. (HT: Yglesias)
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I find it very sad that the terrorists won. Now where will women who have had their pregnancy go horribly wrong go to get a procedure that would save their lives. How many women will die because these American terrorists won. And since they say they respect the sanctity of life, why don’t they care about the lives of these women?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:04 pmPerhaps we could get them all to move in..then glue the doors shut!
June 10th, 2009 at 1:05 pmIt’s unclear for what purpose Operation Rescue would use the clinic.
Paint-ball?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:06 pmThey are probably going to use it as a shrine in support of American Terrorism.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:06 pmI think they should turn it into an abortion musuem. They can have an exhibit which instructs the proper, godfearing way to kill fetuses, which is by using a bomb dropped from an american plane..
June 10th, 2009 at 1:07 pmSO the same anti-choice morons who incited Tiller’s death wants to buy his former clinic? For what? The family should tell them “Screw you! No sale! WE DON’T SELL TO TERRORISTS!
June 10th, 2009 at 1:08 pmPro-murder, anti-choice trolls in 3… 2… 1…
June 10th, 2009 at 1:09 pmSo are they going to turn it into a retroactive abstinence clinic?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:10 pmwell, it doesn’t take much of an imagination to guess what they would do with the building… “holocaust” museum, of course…
yes, the terrorists have won… this time…
June 10th, 2009 at 1:12 pmI think we’ve finally found the home of the George W. Bush Presidential Legacy….
June 10th, 2009 at 1:12 pm“Good God, do not close this abortion clinic for this reason,” said president Troy Newman. “Every kook in the world will get some notion.”
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Oh, so NOW you’re worried about the kooks in your “pro-life” movement doing what you’ve brainwashed them into doing?
Great timing. If only you’d come to this epiphany months ago, Dr. Tiller would still be alive.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:12 pmThis would be a travesty if these terror loving dirtbags buy the place. Why aren’t these people adopting children? Why can’t they support program for poor women who feel they have no chioce? If the buy it, they will use it as a shrine to incite other paranoid delusinal militants. very sad indeed…
June 10th, 2009 at 1:13 pmOh, they would DEFINITELY make it into some sort of shrine, or pilgrimage site, probably with some sort of a museum and a “prayer chapel” where they could hold “Christian” worship services celebrating the Tiller murder.
Twisted. Exactly why I no longer go to church anymore.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:13 pmThe Barbie coathanger museum, obviously.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:14 pmIt is truly a sad occasion. Women – and girls! – who are in desperate need of medical intervention at the last moment will be left with no option.
The zealots seem to think women stroll past a clinic and decide that this is a good day to have an abortion. How demeaning, insulting and cold. Abortion is an agonizing, wretched choice, filled with anguish and sorrow. Those that must occur in the final trimester are sometimes the most distressing of all — in that critical time, something gravely threatening developed in utero or in the pregnancy and urgent, drastic medical means must be applie– but the zealots have won this battle — a legal clinic is closed, one less doctor who will aid those women and girls who find themselves in horrible circumstances.
Wouldn’t it be of some comfort, if the zealots would advocate for pre-natal care, neo-natal care, well-baby care and other necessary services? Instead, they just say NO, wave their placards, incite lunatics to murder, and walk away, feeling smug and sanctimonious and self-righteous.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:15 pmSince the building has no windows, it would make a perfect Republican Day Care Center. God forbid that neo-con children be exposed to the real world.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:16 pmThey murdered and terrorized the clinic out of business.
Nice work for the domestic terrorists, who will publicly denounce the murder of the doctor, yet inside they are giddy and quite pleased with the results of their efforts…. and wanting to buy the clinic building is a part of their victory dance.
I cannot see any evidence arising to prove to me otherwise….
Sick, sick self-righteous, immoral people.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:17 pmOperation Rescue would make that building a shrine to all the “babies murdered by Tiller the Killer,” complete with poster-sized photos of aborted tissue papering the walls. It would become a mecca for every sick f uck anti-choicer in this country.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:18 pmJ. Fred Smug Says:
Oh, they would DEFINITELY make it into some sort of shrine, or pilgrimage site, probably with some sort of a museum and a “prayer chapel” where they could hold “Christian” worship services celebrating the Tiller murder.
Twisted. Exactly why I no longer go to church anymore.
And they’ll be selling “Scott Roeder, AMERICAN HERO” T-shirts with his picture on the front outside the door. Their sympathy for his death is as believable as Cheney is to torture. What a bunch of liars. They praised his death because they incited the murder in the first place.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:18 pmIt is time to adopt the same tactics against these murderers. It is time to publish the names, telephone numbers, homes and business addresses of these in human monsters. It is time to organize demonstrations in front of their businesses and their homes accusing them of the murders and terrorism of which they are guilty.
Pour blood on them as they leave their homes. Follow their children and ask them how it feels to have terrorist parents. They need to suffer the same tactics which they use.
If some of them are killed, well, I do not condone such tactics, however, I can understand why such actions may be undertaken against them.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:19 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Exhibit A
June 10th, 2009 at 1:20 pmThe killer had ties with this organization. In my eyes, contrary to the “condemnation” Operation Rescue had for Dr. Tiller’s murder, buying off this clinic or making an official offer would be the stamp of approval of domestic terrorism and should magnify the fed’s suspicion of an OR as a terror group.
Who would be in charge of approving such an offer? Hopefully the Tiller family would have a dog in this fight.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:20 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
It should be made into a memorial for the tens of thousands of viable babies who lost their lives at that location.
I presume you can link to accurate unbiased statistics that clearly show the “tens of thousands of viable babies”? I’ll even allow the statistics to indicate fetuses and not babies.
No data to support your hyperbole (which you want to pass off as accurate data)?
Thought not.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:22 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
It should be made into a memorial for the tens of thousands of viable babies who lost their lives at that location. Unfortunately, that would give the pro-abortion crowd somewhere to protest.
Why do you love terrorists and hate women?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:22 pmnope, jmohr… can’t go there…
June 10th, 2009 at 1:23 pmAww, that’s cute. The morons are now worried about the mythical “pro-abortion crowd.” Why is it that conservatives have to make up fake enemies to oppose?
Aren’t there enough real threats in the world? Do conservatives really need to add the fictional threat of “pro-abortionists” to “Islamofascism,” “voter fraud,” “the gay agenda,” “culture warriors,” and the other bullshit they’ve made up?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:24 pmJMOHR Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
I wouldn’t become like the anti-choice sickos for anything.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:25 pmCFP – I hope you never have to hold the hand of your loved one dying from septi infection from a self induced or backstreet abortionist. And have you worked in foster care providing homes for children born and uncared for ?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:25 pmFirefighters practice on old abandoned homes; maybe Op Rescue could practice there fire-bombing, door gluing, blocking entrance doors, protesting young women, and screaming hate-filled rhetoric techniques at the site of what they consider to be there greatest victory.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:26 pmI have a hard time NOT using the word hate when talking about these people.
I agree with previous posts that they will want a museum made out of the building.
ConservativeForProgress Says:
It should be made into a memorial for the tens of thousands of viable babies who lost their lives at that location. Unfortunately, that would give the pro-abortion crowd somewhere to protest.
You know full well that mothers aren’t coming to these clinics for casual abortions — they aren’t permitted by law — and yet you expect to pass your movement off as “viable.” Your shtick is smoke and mirrors, and not to mention, a giant contradiction with all the carnage your crusade in Iraq has done to women and children.
I’m advising you that you are condoning domestic terrorism. You do not have the right-of-way.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:26 pmMegaloptera McWars Says:
The killer had ties with this organization. In my eyes, contrary to the “condemnation” Operation Rescue had for Dr. Tiller’s murder, buying off this clinic or making an official offer
I think that we are already at the stage of “an official offer”. And their flase attempts to distance themselves from this are patently thin. Anyone have a link to or checked out their sites recently? What is the discourse they are having with their own?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:26 pmJMOHR Says:
If some of them are killed, well, I do not condone such tactics, however, I can understand why such actions may be undertaken against them.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
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Except that wouldn’t happen. The pro-choice movement actually respects human life and dignity, unlike the fraudulent “pro-life” idiots.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:26 pmIt should be made into a memorial for the tens of thousands of viable babies who lost their lives at that location.
how do you know how many pregnancies were terminated there?
do you think dr. tiller was personally responsible for the termination of “tens of thousands” of pregnancies?
if you do… then you’re maintaining that you honestly believe that dr. tiller performed an average of 1.4 abortions everyday for 39 years that he was in practice.
i think those numbers are quite frankly impossible.
don’t just make up numbers, its weak
June 10th, 2009 at 1:27 pmConservatives do not understand progress so you really need to change your moniker.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:27 pmIt’s gonna be a long, hot summer, I am afraid.
There may be another lunatic on the loose in D.C. — shots were fired at the Holocaust museum. Someone was wounded.
Hate talk filling the airwaves has nothing to do with this, I’m sure, as Obama will be blamed in some way.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:27 pmIt’s unclear for what purpose Operation Rescue would use the clinic.
Anti-abortion terrorist camp? Training future terrorists, assassins etc how to best attack abortion clinics and doctors
June 10th, 2009 at 1:27 pmThis is just to sick and twisted for me to comment on, so are the trolls that approve of this terrible mad man and all his ilk…Black hearted evil specamens of something unhuman….We really need Blessings
June 10th, 2009 at 1:28 pmIt’s unclear for what purpose Operation Rescue would use the clinic.
A terrorist base camp?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:29 pmIdiots like C4Pee think an anencephalic fetus is viable.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:29 pmThey will turn it into a theme park.
Fetus Mountain would be a killer ride.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pmC4P — all hat, no cattle.
Like his messiah, Bush.
Really, C4P… WWBD (What Would Bush Do)?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:32 pmwhy can’t operation rescue just leave dr. tiller’s family alone?
enough is enough
just stop.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:33 pmMarie Says:
Wouldn’t it be of some comfort, if the zealots would advocate for pre-natal care, neo-natal care, well-baby care and other necessary services? Instead, they just say NO, wave their placards, incite lunatics to murder, and walk away, feeling smug and sanctimonious and self-righteous.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
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Exactly. It’s conservative logic at its best – they attack the procedure, while at the same time opposing public health care and sex education and other social services that would make the procedure less necessary.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:33 pmI love how men can make judgements on women and refuse them a choice, but have no problem with George Bush and his henchmen for destroying tens of thousand of Iraqi men, women and children. I feel they feel jusified because of the fact Iraqis are Muslim. They have no problem with that, do they?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:33 pmGreat, one less place for the anti-life people to kill babies.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:34 pmDr. Tiller is dead and you can’t do anything! Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
June 10th, 2009 at 1:34 pmMarie Says:
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It’s gonna be a long, hot summer, I am afraid.
There may be another lunatic on the loose in D.C. — shots were fired at the Holocaust museum. Someone was wounded.
Hate talk filling the airwaves has nothing to do with this, I’m sure, as Obama will be blamed in some way.
I thought the same thing when I heard about the museum. The hate talk has got to stop. Anyone who thinks it doesn’t lead to violence is kidding himself/herself.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:35 pmspring heeled jack Says:
They will turn it into a theme park.
Fetus Mountain would be a killer ride.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
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Ooo I can’t wait to try the Fallopian Flume.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:35 pmEnough reason right here why we need places like this. If that girl hadn’t been taken to the ER when she had been, she may have been so far a long in her pregnancy for ending it to be anything other than ‘late-term’ except, perhaps, post-mortem. Is it better that she and the countless untold others like her should risk their current lives and their future reproductive health because they were victimized?
And yet, these folks want to tell us it’s all ‘for the children’.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:35 pm“Every kook in the world will get some notion.” …like the crazy who kept in touch with the operation rescue woman (name ??) who not only kept him informed of tillers court case but also twittered on the where abouts of where Dr. Tiller was. She should be investigated. Operatiion Rescue is “acting” in this scenario because they are afraid of being implicated in tillers death.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:36 pmThese killers are insatiable.
What’s next? –steal Tiller’s body and mount his head on their wall?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:36 pmHome of the new Forced Pregnancy Center.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:36 pmhyacinthgirl,
June 10th, 2009 at 1:36 pmHey you Leftists started this hate talk with Bush is a Nazi stuff. You opened the pandora’s box now enjoy it.
JohnM Says:
Great, one less place for the anti-life people to kill babies.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
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Someone who would chop the fingers off his own daughter has no business calling ANYONE “anti-life,” you pervert.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:38 pmG-NO-P
Party of Catch-22s
Party of Damned if you do, Damned if you don’t. (See: Catch 22s)
June 10th, 2009 at 1:39 pmhyacinthgirl Says:
I thought the same thing when I heard about the museum. The hate talk has got to stop. Anyone who thinks it doesn’t lead to violence is kidding himself/herself.
neocon leaders know it leads to violence. They are probably still pissed that they didn’t get anyone to shoot Obama before the elections. I am convinced that that was part of their strategy, and that they are still banking on it.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:39 pmchiroptera toasterhead Says:
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spring heeled jack Says:
They will turn it into a theme park.
Fetus Mountain would be a killer ride.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
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Ooo I can’t wait to try the Fallopian Flume.
Free “American Taliban” aprons when you play “whack-a-fetus”.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:40 pmCageyCretin,
June 10th, 2009 at 1:41 pmJust like you leftists fantasized about Bush be killed or hung? Care to discuss that?
chiroptera toasterhead Says:
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JohnM Says:
Great, one less place for the anti-life people to kill babies.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
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Someone who would chop the fingers off his own daughter has no business calling ANYONE “anti-life,” you pervert.
We both know that you are the one created a pathetic hypothetical about cutting off fingers to stop a tsunami not I. Clearly this is an obsession of yours and it truly is sad. Maybe you should go kill a baby, that will supress those demons a little longer.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:41 pmParty of Life Savers – NOT! (See: JohnM)
June 10th, 2009 at 1:42 pmRoket says:
And after hours, the local Republican-sponsored chapter of the KKK could hold meetings and rallies there. Due to the lack of windows, they would be able to remove their hoods for a more “comfortable” experience.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:42 pmMarie Says:
There may be another lunatic on the loose in D.C. — shots were fired at the Holocaust museum. Someone was wounded.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
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It’s good to see that the citizens of DC are finally exercising the free expression rights the Supreme Court granted them by striking down the gun ban. I’m sure our “pro-life” conservative friends are quite happy with this development.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:43 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
It should be made into a memorial for the tens of thousands of viable babies who lost their lives at that location.
Prove it.
Your imaginary fantasies lead to murder and real suffering. Kindly keep your insane fantasy life where it belongs, and out of my public sphere.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:43 pmWhat conservative steps up and helps the family with a terribly damaged child with financial help or just with the care of the child. Conservatives voted DOWN the SCHIP program for live children .
June 10th, 2009 at 1:44 pmI still say ignore the trolls here. Especially this issue. There is not rational engagement.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:44 pmJohnM Says:
If you have proof that babies were killed there the FBI would be very interested, as it is illegal to kill babies.
Or are you conflating a fetus with a baby?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:44 pmQuestion, CFP — Do your fellow activists count in their abortion statistics fetuses removed following a miscarriage?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:45 pmJohnM Says:
Maybe you should go kill a baby
June 10th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
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Yeah, good one, Snippy. Looks like we’ve got a real “pro-lifer” here…
It’s nice to see the real side of these posers come out once you back them into a corner with their own statements.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:46 pmStop this troll fest….Stop posting on this thread…It just feeds their evil minds….Blessings
June 10th, 2009 at 1:46 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
It looks like Zooey thinks this is o.k.
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sick and twisted.
no wonder you lose elections.
:|
June 10th, 2009 at 1:46 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
Are you good with this, Zooey?
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are you?
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June 10th, 2009 at 1:47 pmC4Pee,
Abortion is legal. I am fine with whatever decision a woman makes regarding her own body.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:48 pmCFP, keep your porn out of here.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:48 pm“Zero press coverage” – HA!
Did you know, sockwipe$, that Fox skipped a live press conference of the surviving soldier in the attack in favor of Newt Gingrich’s rehashed blabfest?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:48 pmobamawipe$ Says:
Progressives get results via elections.
Like gay marriage?
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write when you win an election.
:)
June 10th, 2009 at 1:48 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
Are you good with this, Zooey?
Quit posting your porn sites. You are sick. Do have any idea of the situations involved in those photos? No you don’t. Piss off.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:48 pmIsn’t it odd how the people who were so adamant about the direct connection between then-candidate Obama and William Ayers are the same ones who deny vehemently there’s any whiff of a connection between Roeder and Operation Rescue?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:50 pmFlag CFP for distributing child porn.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:51 pmCageyCretin Says:
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JohnM Says:
If you have proof that babies were killed there the FBI would be very interested, as it is illegal to kill babies.
Or are you conflating a fetus with a baby?
A heatbeat, moving limbs and brain activity are present at 12 weeks. People like you use the word fetus in order to de-humanize the killed babies in order to rationalize killing them.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:52 pmlivelongandprosper Says:
Quit posting your porn sites. You are sick. Do have any idea of the situations involved in those photos? No you don’t. Piss off.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
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I’ve never understood why “Christians” like C4P and Obamawipe$ and JohnM are so obsessed with baby blood and guts. It must be a fetish – that’s the only explanation. It makes me wonder if they pull the pud to photos of war victims as well.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:52 pmAre you OK with the Abu Ghraib photos, sicko?
Or dead Muslim children in Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:52 pmWatch the Holocaust memorial shooter be a Muslim. What excuse will you leftists make for that?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:53 pmJohnM Says:
People like you use the word fetus in order to de-humanize the killed babies in order to rationalize killing them.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
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Yes, in exactly the same way that you use the word terrorist in order to de-humanize detainees in order to rationize torturing them.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:54 pmfrom my news ticker:
Police: At least 2 shot inside Holocaust Museum
June 10, 2009 12:34 PM EDT
WASHINGTON – Authorities say at least two people have been shot at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington.
D.C. police spokeswoman Traci Hughes says a person walked into the museum with a rifle and shot a guard. Hughes says the shooter was also shot.
Hughes says the victims’ conditions were not known.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:55 pmC4Pee, have you abandoned your quest to convince us that the Democratic victory in 2006 and assumption of control of Congress the following January led more or less directly to the Second Bush Recession?
Too bad. I was looking forward to the gymnastics show.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:55 pmI repeat, CFP, that casual late term abortions ARE NOT PERMITTED. There is an accompanying medical reason required. I am flagging everyone of your posts. Your movement is one- sided, ignorant of the cause, ignorant of what a child needs after birth and how the republicans fail to provide it, and ignorant of every Iraqi baby you have killed since 2003. You are ONE. SICK. PIECE. OF. SHIT.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:56 pmHa Ha Ha Says:
Watch the Holocaust memorial shooter be a Muslim. What excuse will you leftists make for that?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
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Proof positive that conservatives support terrorists solely to score political points.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:57 pmHow much fetus porn do you have, CFP?
*dialing FBI*
June 10th, 2009 at 1:57 pmMegaloptera McWars Says:
Did you know that Fox skipped a live press conference of the surviving soldier in the attack in favor of Newt Gingrich’s rehashed blabfest?
It’s a chronic condition I like to call Trolliosis: imperviousness to logic and facts, inability to produce credible links, and the tendency to treat each thread as though it’s the only one that ever existed, e.g. “But…but…you aren’t talking about the stuff I think you should be talking about. Wah!”
June 10th, 2009 at 1:57 pmchiroptera toasterhead,
June 10th, 2009 at 1:58 pmIt is leftists that support and make excuses for Muslims. They can do no wrong in the eyes of the Left. Just be honest about it and stop acting like it is not the truth.
It’s unclear for what purpose Operation Rescue would use the clinic.
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A TAX SHELTER shrine to be called THE DOME OF THE UNBORN with a WALL OF THE DAMNED containing names of females that sought abortions ’cause they had a headache . .
So are these PRO-TORTURE christians gonna picket outside Huntsville Penitentiary before the next lethal injection??
PRO LIFE is PRO LIFE . . isn’t it?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:59 pmSo, no, you DIDN’T answer in the thread, if your answers had all been moderated.
I’ll take that as an admission that you have no interest in backing up any assertions you make, or even clarifying your positions for those who ask politely.
Carry on.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:59 pmchiroptera toasterhead,
June 10th, 2009 at 1:59 pmLeftwing hate towards Israel is the reason fro the shooting of the Holocaust memorial. Most Leftist would cheer if another holocaust happened.
Of course he is. Dead Muslim children are in the Republican Party platform.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:59 pm“We could give a rats ass about our own American Soldiers”
I think Halliburton put that on the shower stalls…
June 10th, 2009 at 1:59 pmIt’s unclear for what purpose Operation Rescue would use the clinic.
Maybe Randall Terry can use it as a counseling center for his gay son whom he threw out of the house after Reverend Sun Yung Moon’s Washington Times “outed” him.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:00 pmJohnM Says:
A heatbeat, moving limbs and brain activity are present at 12 weeks.
ConservativeForProgress Says:
We’re talking about the body of the baby in utero a/k/a “the fetus” — which is clearly not the body of the mother.
But that fetus is entirely dependent on the body of the mother — it is a parasite in her body — and, like a parasite, it is incapable of existing outside the body on its own. That heartbeat is not entirely independent — it is direcly connected to the mother’s body and depndent on her body for sustinence, blood and oxygen, as well as all the nutrients to grow and develop.
“Brain activity” — to what degree and capacity is this “brain activity”, and what is the specific scientific determineation OF this “brain activity”? Or are you just saying “brain activity” and imagining that that means “a fully developed independently functioning brain”? And what does this “brain activity” have to do with determining life? Does that mean that those with a lesser brain activity are not human? What does that even relate to?
June 10th, 2009 at 2:01 pmsockass$: “We could give a rats ass about our own American Soldiers, abortion drs take the front seat.”
The odor of non-sense is especially strong in this one. I recommend you stick to doing what you do best — wipe$ your ass with your sock and do it off-line.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:01 pmWow. our new troll sockpuppet has earned a Flag n Freeze citation in only two posts.
is that a new record?
June 10th, 2009 at 2:01 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
We’re not talking about her body. We’re talking about the body of the baby in utero a/k/a “the fetus” — which is clearly not the body of the mother.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
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So if that fetus is so independent, why does it depend on the mother to live and breathe? That sounds rather socialist to me. Shouldn’t that child be pulling itself up by its own bootstraps and supporting itself?
June 10th, 2009 at 2:01 pmShorter GOP: “Life begins at conception and ends at birth. Let’s go shoot grown men for fun!”
June 10th, 2009 at 2:01 pmshoeless,
June 10th, 2009 at 2:01 pmLeftists ok with dead Christians in the Phillipines or South Sudan. If 1 Muslim die, Leftist cry.
c4p, everyone but you knows that TP does not censor for political content—only when I say “an@logy”.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:02 pmIt’s unclear for what purpose Operation Rescue would use the clinic
For training American terrorists to make bombs and sniper training.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:02 pmYou go to wars of choice with the troops, lacking body and vehicle armor that you have -C4P Rummy.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:02 pmI guess if you’re stupid enough to confuse a fetus with a baby, you are stupid enough to fall for supply-side economics
June 10th, 2009 at 2:02 pmI see, the thing you dont care about after its born because then you dont want to be responsible for a real self-sustaining life.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:04 pmI’ve joined this thread late, but the “brain activity” makes it clear that we’re not talking about trolls, are we?
June 10th, 2009 at 2:04 pmThere is nothing pro-life about being anti-choice
June 10th, 2009 at 2:05 pmKeith, you can now type “analogy” and get it through.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:05 pmHow many Christians in Central America did Reagan kill with his strong illegal support of death squads in Salvador, Nicaragua, and Guatemala? One hundred thousand? Raping and killing nuns, killing bishops, bringing tons of cocaine into the US, etc.
When we killed 3.2 million in Vietnam, there must have been more that were fetuses that were not counted.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:06 pmReligion 101. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all Abrahamic.
The main differences are that Judaism and Islam dont see Jesus as a Messiah whereas Christianity does.
But go ahead and keep killing each other Abrahamics…sheesh.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:07 pmHey, how come Ralph can say “an@logy”?
June 10th, 2009 at 2:07 pmTrajan, aren’t you scheduled to fellate one your Latin Kings ™?
June 10th, 2009 at 2:08 pmIf Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Noah and Adam got into a fight, who would win?
None. Because the people cheering them on will continue long after they are gone.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:08 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
We’re not talking about her body. We’re talking about the body of the baby in utero a/k/a “the fetus” — which is clearly not the body of the mother.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Actually, we are talking about the woman’s body. The fetus is completely dependent on the woman’s body until birth. We do not lose our rights to autonomy once we are pregnant.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:10 pmTell me of any memory you have from when you were 12 weeks old.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:10 pmWere you eating on your own JohnM, breathing on your own? Did you, like an Astronut, have an umbilical cord keeping you tethered to life?
June 10th, 2009 at 2:11 pmXisithrus Says:
“We could give a rats ass about our own American Soldiers”
I think Halliburton put that on the shower stalls…
The problem is, you can’t use the shower stalls beacuse you might get electrocuted….
June 10th, 2009 at 2:14 pmOh, how cute. Trajan is pushing his “Leftists Love Muslims” talking point again.
Ahh, trolls. All talk, no proof.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:16 pmThis is just terrible. It’s bad enough that one of their psycho members shot and killed Dr. Tiller. Now these sick bastards want to continue the terror by attempting to purchase the clinic??!!! This shyte is sick beyond words. Operation Rescue needs to be shut down.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:16 pmCageyCretin Says:
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JohnM Says:
A heatbeat, moving limbs and brain activity are present at 12 weeks.
ConservativeForProgress Says:
We’re talking about the body of the baby in utero a/k/a “the fetus” — which is clearly not the body of the mother.
But that fetus is entirely dependent on the body of the mother — it is a parasite in her body — and, like a parasite, it is incapable of existing outside the body on its own. That heartbeat is not entirely independent — it is direcly connected to the mother’s body and depndent on her body for sustinence, blood and oxygen, as well as all the nutrients to grow and develop.
“Brain activity” — to what degree and capacity is this “brain activity”, and what is the specific scientific determineation OF this “brain activity”? Or are you just saying “brain activity” and imagining that that means “a fully developed independently functioning brain”? And what does this “brain activity” have to do with determining life? Does that mean that those with a lesser brain activity are not human? What does that even relate to?
The fact that the baby needs the mother to live should not matter. A newborn cannot live on its own without somebody care for it. If a mother neglects her 2 month old baby and never feeds it, the baby will die.
The absence of cortical brain activity is the medical definition of death, thus the presence of cortical brain activity is the medical definition of life
http://jyte.com/cl/the-absence-of-cortical-brain-activity-is-the-medical-definition-of-death-thus-the-presence-of-cortical-brain-activity-is-the-medical-definition-of-life
June 10th, 2009 at 2:16 pmI would love to see some documentation of the hate talk on the left that the trolls keep talking about. They keep saying that we called for Bush’s head and that we are racist, hateful, murderous, etc. The poor Dixie Chicks made one mild criticism of Bush during his administration and received death threats for it. Does anyone else think that this is pure projection? Or that they just have to view us as evil to hate us as much as they do?
On topic, I was a clinic escort for a day several years ago. I got kicked in the crotch, spit on, called unspeakable names, and one man tried to set my hair on fire. How do you justify such behavior in the name of God?
June 10th, 2009 at 2:17 pmA double-decker cake for today’s wingnuts: the gunman is reported to be an 89-year-old white supremacist.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:18 pmJune 10th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Excellent. It now is forced to repost in hopes of attention. This is a blast. Well done my friends. Well done…
June 10th, 2009 at 2:18 pmLike I said on a earlier thread. I think its time we bring home the war on terror. Before we run over to some other country, we should take care of the terrorists we have here at home.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:18 pmThey plan to turn it into a Gun and Bible store.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:18 pmALL TROLLS WHO COME HERE TO DEFEND THE MURDERER OF OF THE DR. OR IN ANY WAY DENIGRATE HIM NEED TO BE INDUCTED INTO “THE PROGRAM”.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:20 pmWhenever someone gets shot or killed our trolls have to verify the skin colors of the people involved before they can register an emotion.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:20 pmAnd children without insurance can die but that never stopped them fron voting against SCHIP.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:20 pmThe shooter at the holocaust museum is an 89 year old white guy.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:21 pmAnd JohnM chimes in with the “binary thinking” argument.
I’m sure it’s very persuasive to right-wingers who can only see black and white.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:22 pmIf these pro-lifers cared so much about life as they profess, they would be adopting parentless Iraqi children who some fools from DC decided to liberate them from their parents with bombs.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:22 pmThe Bible says you’re imbued with a soul when you draw your first breath, and not before.
Funny then, that bible-thumpers would resort to scientific arguments to support their moralistic opinions.
Make up your minds Christo-Righties – can’t have it both ways.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:22 pmhyacinthgirl Says:
On topic, I was a clinic escort for a day several years ago. I got kicked in the crotch, spit on, called unspeakable names, and one man tried to set my hair on fire. How do you justify such behavior in the name of God?
June 10th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
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Oh, those peace-loving “Christians.”
June 10th, 2009 at 2:22 pmDon’t expect to convince anyone that you care about life, JohnM. I’m referring you to post #98 with a reminder to shut the hell up. Nobody’s buying your faux outrage.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:22 pmThey will probably name it the Scott Roeder Memorial Gun Club.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:24 pmTheir Motto…
“Shoot Anybody Anywhere in the name of GOD”
I often find it hilarious when Trajan and company “secretly”
post here under different names, thinking they are pulling a fast one on us.
Okay, back on topic somewhat. Back in 1997, my wife, daughter, and I visited the Holocaust Museum, which was quite humbling, to say the least, and we didn’t even visit the more horrific exhibits, due to our daughter’s age.
That said, as we left, for some reason, we had a full security lock down. We, with about a handful of others, were “trapped” in a bullet-proof room (near the exit) while outside officials were securing the building.
20 minutes later, the door opened, with no word as to what happened.
All I can remembering thinking was, “Damn, that tight of security, they must get threats almost every single day!”
That was 12 years ago.
It appears the “hate” is still around.
In fact, with the current shootings, as well as the murder of a practicing Christian gynecologist, “hate” must be making a comeback.
And can anyone inform me why a museum paying it’s respects to the millions of Jews murdered, need be targeted for bigotry and hatred?
June 10th, 2009 at 2:25 pmtombaker, you’re assuming a logical consistency that just isn’t built into wingnuts.
They are perfectly capable of having it both ways. All they have to do when they want it one way is forget that they also want it the other way. And since they’re incapable of keeping more than one thought in their mind at a time, there’s no conflict.
That’s why they seem to be unaware of the ability of others to record their words on audio and videotape, and replay them later to their embarrassment.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:26 pmFor all you trolls who come here day in and day out. If every lib on this site were pro-life, all you clowns would be pro-choice. Thats how serious we take any of you.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:26 pmThe shooter belongs to neoNazi groups and his last name is German.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:28 pmhyacinthgirl Says:
I would love to see some documentation of the hate talk on the left that the trolls keep talking about. They keep saying that we called for Bush’s head and that we are racist, hateful, murderous, etc. The poor Dixie Chicks made one mild criticism of Bush during his administration and received death threats for it. Does anyone else think that this is pure projection? Or that they just have to view us as evil to hate us as much as they do?
On topic, I was a clinic escort for a day several years ago. I got kicked in the crotch, spit on, called unspeakable names, and one man tried to set my hair on fire. How do you justify such behavior in the name of God?
I am sorry for that experience. “Protecting life” only matters to those who specialize in making life miserable. Excellent post.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:29 pmI think they refer to it as the ministry attack. Its a form of demonization. It doesnt matter if you believe in the devil or not they will take that belief, project it onto others, the pronounce it to be true so as to rationalize their illogic reasoning.
I know a higher power, its why I dont go to church and dont take part in these highly dubious methods. Notice that these people do not ask what you think before applying their imagination to others and parroting the crap like what Coulter spews
June 10th, 2009 at 2:29 pmtombaker, that is an excellent point I haven’t thought about. I think the word in Hebrew is “ruach.” It means breath and spirit, I think, as in God breathed into Adam and then he was alive.
I mean, it’s obvious it’s based mainly on Christianist ideas of ‘life.’ How funny that science is brought on to suit the ideology, and not the religious fanaticism that was the impetus in the first place.
Even more interesting in how often same-sex issues come down to “what the Bible said” and a direct contempt over scientific findings.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:32 pmBetween 33% and 50% of all fertilized eggs end in spontaneous abortion, miscarriage or stillbirth. God is the biggest abortion provider out there. This is just another BS wedge issue used by the Reich.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:32 pmThey cant, but the think they can.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:33 pmConservativeForProgress Says: I don’t want to go off topic here.
since when is harassing zoey on topic?
almost everything you’ve said in here has been off topic
and a lot of what you said are also just things you’ve pulled out of the air with no substance behind them.
your opinions on abortion do not make it illegal
you are entitled to think it wrong and morally deplorable
but you must accept that you have no ground to stand on when discussing legality and what is allowed.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:34 pmasswipe, unlike you, It doesn’t make a difference to me. Terrorists are terrorists, muslims or christians.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:35 pmobamawipe$ Says:
spring heeled jack Says:
Whenever someone gets shot or killed our trolls have to verify the skin colors of the people involved before they can register an emotion.
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Doodlebug Shayne Says:
The shooter at the holocaust museum is an 89 year old white guy.
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LOL!
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wipey,
cfp,
johnm.
it’s all so funny to them.
:|
June 10th, 2009 at 2:36 pmA human pulled a trigger killing another human
Q: Now, of which incident am I speaking?
A: Does not matter. Both were illegal
June 10th, 2009 at 2:37 pmGreat post calavzma @ 165!
I’ll try to dumb it down for the challenged trolls.
Abortion is LEGAL
Shooting a Christian in the face IS NOT!
Any questions?
June 10th, 2009 at 2:38 pmOne problem is that the church invented original sin as a marketing ploy so that parents would rush their newborns to church post haste. If you have your soul before birth and can’t be baptized before birth then all those spontaneously dead fetus’ souls would end up in hell. That’s not much of a sales gimmick.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:38 pmYou mean like the muslim that shot the recruiter?
And the wingnut who shot two cops…
June 10th, 2009 at 2:39 pmI find it hilarious when a challenged troll, so thoroughly defeated and not willing to debate, has to make baseless character attacks to justify it’s existence.
Freakin’ hilarious!
June 10th, 2009 at 2:40 pmYou mean like the McVeigh who killed Americans?
June 10th, 2009 at 2:41 pmasswipe, Tillers killer and the converted muslim have two things in common. They both think killing is ok and they both think god is on their side.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:41 pmobamawipe$ Says:
spring heeled jack Says:
Whenever someone gets shot or killed our trolls have to verify the skin colors of the people involved before they can register an emotion.
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Doodlebug Shayne Says:
The shooter at the holocaust museum is an 89 year old white guy.
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LOL!
A message from the party tough-on-crime and strong-on-defense.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:44 pmI made this comment after the idiot suggested the shooter was a muslim. He’s a white supremacist, holocaust denying evil doer.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:45 pmThese people need to have their guns taken away from them.
Oops. Looks like a bad day for the wingnuts…
This afternoon, a gunman apparently shot at least one person at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC. MSNBC is reporting that the suspected shooter, who also sustained gunshot wounds, is James Von Brunn, a white supremacist born in 1920.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:45 pmThe absence of cortical brain activity is the medical definition of death, thus the presence of cortical brain activity is the medical definition of life
Terri Schiavo??
“The beginning of human life” is not such a clear-cut distinction. There are pro-life people who are against masturbation and birth control because “life” is destroyed. There are Christians who believe that human life begins at the point that the first breath is taken, reflecting the Bible’s statement that God breathed the breathe of life into Adam. As long as there is no consensus, then the issue must be left to the personal conscience of the women who must decide whether to carry a fetus to term or to abort, considering their own circumstances and their beliefs. We as a society would be better served by agreeing to try to alleviate the circumstances which would lead a woman to seek an abortion and to make the medical procedure itself legal, available, and as safe for the woman as possible.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:47 pmAND THEY BOTH HAD GUNS.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:48 pmobamawipe$ Says:
Progressive hypocrisy is funnier that dog$shit!
Nobody Know$ what you are babbling about. Perhap$ we need a code breaker. What i$ known, however, i$ that you wake up each morning to a giant bowl of shit(tm), or Total(tm) for the troll mind.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:49 pmNow were gonna have to listen to some crazy person in jail complain about the food and heating cause he cares about other prisoners that come in after him.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:50 pmI wonder if after today’s events Chief Justice Roberts still has that spelling-bee-kid smile plastered on his face.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:52 pmIf our society has viewed the beginning of life to be at conception, then why:
is our age calculated from the date of our birth?
June 10th, 2009 at 2:54 pmdon’t parents get to claim a fetus as a tax exemption?
aren’t fetuses baptised by our churches?
aren’t death certificates issued for miscarriages?
is an expectant woman called a mother-to-be rather than a mother?
obamawipe$ Says:
Progressive hypocrisy is funnier that dog$shit!
June 10th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
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Hypocrisy? You mean like the fact that you constantly refer to the Muslim who allegedly shot soldiers in Arkansas, but that you have yet to denounce the shooting by an alleged white supremacist in DC?
June 10th, 2009 at 2:55 pmTo those who asked..”what if the Holocaust Museum shooter was Muslim what would the liberals say…ha ha ha.”
June 10th, 2009 at 2:56 pmIt just got reported that it was a WHITE SUPREMACIST who did the shooting. I would not be surprised that after further investigation he was found to be a member of Operation Rescue.
“Operation Rescue interested in buying Dr. Tiller’s clinic.”
And it happens that Operation Rescue want to buy Tiller’s clinic of all places. For what purpose? Tiller will be a lot more important figure in this country dead than when he was alive. It is not because of his purpose of his clinic and his beliefs (Tiller was doctor not just an abortion doctor as the media keep claiming). It is because Tiller stood up to the bullies in the world who wanted to silence his purpose of saving women lives. Although it is sad that the Tiller family is shutting down the clinic, but Dr. George Tiller, the man and doctor is lot bigger than the clinic that he worked to save woman lives.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:57 pmJames Von Brunn’s bio is at his organization’s website:
http://www.holywesternempire.org/
I can’t view it due to too much traffic or not-accepting it’s add-on media player.
CNN said he was arrested in 1983 for attempting to kidnap Federal Reserve officers.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:08 pmSouthern Poverty Law Center said his group totally supports the Holocaust and regrets it did not “complete the job”.
The Curious Case of JohnM:
1.)Plunges the depth of medical research to prove that a fetus is a human being so that abortion is murder.
2.)Plunges the depth of legal history to prove that Muslim detainees have a non-human status so that any amount of torture is legal and justified.
Pro-Life*
June 10th, 2009 at 3:11 pmThis is an outrage….Tiller’s family should say “Hell No”
June 10th, 2009 at 3:12 pmAccording to local Wichita news ( http://news.kfdi.com/News/Story/tabid/5154/story/33388/Default.aspx ), the same thing they did with one of Wichita’s other abortion clinics: turn it into their HQ. In 2006, Central Women’s Service decided to close their doors (not enough business, everyone moved elsewhere), and their landlords eventually leased it to Operation Rescue. I’m fairly certain Tiller’s family owns Women’s Health Care Services so being sold to ORW is probably not gonna happen.
BTW: Kansas City Star isn’t the local news for Wichita. http://www.kansas.com (The Wichita Eagle) is the local news source. I recommend looking there for Tiller stories before Kansas City Star.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:23 pmCOOL! Let’s all meet in front with signs that say “STOP THE KILLING!”. Then we yell “Doctor Killers” at anyone walking in the door. Then, when Bill O’Rielly sends his little camera minion to “ambush us” we will refuse to talk about anything but his sexual harrassment suit from his former coworker Andrea Makris.
WHEEEEEE
June 10th, 2009 at 3:42 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says:
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Between 33% and 50% of all fertilized eggs end in spontaneous abortion, miscarriage or stillbirth. God is the biggest abortion provider out there. This is just another BS wedge issue used by the Reich.
This is the most ridiculous argument out there. People die from natual causes at a much higher rate than 50%, does that excuse murder. Of course not, you pull your wedge out because it is made of paper.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:45 pmspring heeled jack Says:
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The Curious Case of JohnM:
1.)Plunges the depth of medical research to prove that a fetus is a human being so that abortion is murder.
2.)Plunges the depth of legal history to prove that Muslim detainees have a non-human status so that any amount of torture is legal and justified.
Pro-Life*
Please show me where I said Muslim detainees were non-human. Oh that’s right I never said it, move along light weight.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:46 pmJohnM Says:
I said Muslim detainees were non-human.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
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Do we need any more proof?
June 10th, 2009 at 3:49 pmThese anti-choice people don’t understand how difficult the choice is in the third trimester to have an abortion. These women feel the baby moving around inside and it must be heartbreaking to have to make a choice.
What I don’t hear from these anti-choice people is anger towards the women that come to full term and then dispose of the baby in a dumpster. Where’s their outrage?
June 10th, 2009 at 4:06 pmAs someone that believes in reincarnation, the decision to give birth to a possible “soul” is between the woman and the fetus. The “soul” doesn’t care. Perhaps the reason that the “soul” chose this woman is because the abortion is the lesson that the “soul” needed to learn. It would be wrong to interfere in this matter.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:10 pmPatrioticLiberalChristianMantisReligiosa Says:
We as a society would be better served by agreeing to try to alleviate the circumstances which would lead a woman to seek an abortion and to make the medical procedure itself legal, available, and as safe for the woman as possible.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Well said, as usual PLC — and worth a repeat.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:12 pmI guess C4Pee is in the bathroom jacking off to his brand new photo album…
June 10th, 2009 at 4:13 pmVOMIT. This is too much for me.
I want the Randall Terrys of the world to know that if my two daughters ever need an abortion – they will have one. This is their legal right. They are not subject to the immoral beliefs you endlessly work to force on others. Your terrorist ways will not take their rights away.
You are a vile abomination of a human being and a disturbed ‘toon, to boot. Sociopath.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:16 pm*
We as a society would be better served by agreeing to try to alleviate the circumstances which would lead a woman to seek an abortion and to make the medical procedure itself legal, available, and as safe for the woman as possible.
If our society has viewed the beginning of life to be at conception, then why:
is our age calculated from the date of our birth?
don’t parents get to claim a fetus as a tax exemption?
aren’t fetuses baptised by our churches?
aren’t death certificates issued for miscarriages?
is an expectant woman called a mother-to-be rather than a mother?
i’m a fan of both of these statements PLC
especially the series of questions
fantastic… very well put
June 10th, 2009 at 4:20 pmPLC says
Good questions and point well stated. If the fetus was considered a person, then my daughter and son-in-law would have been able to take a tax deduction in 2008.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:29 pmJohnM, you spent an entire thread arguing that Muslim detainees have no legal protection against inhumane treatment.
You were parsing treaties and legal memos etc. in a vain attempt to assign them a status that was beneath human decency, ie sub-human, ie non-human.
My point is that if you were truly Pro-Life you would recognize that anyone in our custody is entitled fair and humane treatment. Even Muslims suspected of being terrorists.
Respect for human life, John.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:46 pmchiroptera toasterhead Says:
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JohnM Says:
I said Muslim detainees were non-human.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
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Do we need any more proof?
You are a complete moron.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:02 pmspring heeled jack Says:
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JohnM, you spent an entire thread arguing that Muslim detainees have no legal protection against inhumane treatment.
You were parsing treaties and legal memos etc. in a vain attempt to assign them a status that was beneath human decency, ie sub-human, ie non-human.
My point is that if you were truly Pro-Life you would recognize that anyone in our custody is entitled fair and humane treatment. Even Muslims suspected of being terrorists.
Respect for human life, John.
I never said they were unhuman. I merely said that they were not protected under the Geneva Convention. You took what you wanted from the discussion, but what you took and what I said are two different things.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:04 pmCats r Flyfishn Says:
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These anti-choice people don’t understand how difficult the choice is in the third trimester to have an abortion. These women feel the baby moving around inside and it must be heartbreaking to have to make a choice.
And yet they still choose to kill it. Yes, I am sure it is a heartbreaking choice to make to take another person’s life.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:05 pmspring heeled jack Says:
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My point is that if you were truly Pro-Life you would recognize that anyone in our custody is entitled fair and humane treatment. Even Muslims suspected of being terrorists.
I never said that they should be killed, which is the equivalent here, not enhanced interrogation. I am pro life, which is why I want to protect innocent people from terrorists and if that means enhnanced interrogation to save those people it is worth it. That is very much pro-life.
You on the other hand would rather protect a terrorist’s rights than protect a completely innocent baby and that is the true hypocrisy.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:10 pmJohnM Says:
You are a complete moron.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
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Do you deny putting those words in that order in your post?
June 10th, 2009 at 5:25 pmJohnM Says:
I never said that they should be killed, which is the equivalent here, not enhanced interrogation. I am pro life, which is why I want to protect innocent people from terrorists and if that means enhnanced interrogation to save those people it is worth it. That is very much pro-life.
You on the other hand would rather protect a terrorist’s rights than protect a completely innocent baby and that is the true hypocrisy.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
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And how do you know that that “completely innocent baby” isn’t going to grow up to be a terrorist? By preventing that “completely innocent baby,” you just might be saving thousands of future lives. Or do future innocent people not matter to you?
June 10th, 2009 at 5:28 pmThe shooter today is a rabid KKK white supremacist.
Hate spewing radio hosts, columnists and TV bloviators will accept no responsibility for encouraging lunatics like this to terrorize the nation.
And the righties are feigning worry about people already in custody in Gitmo coming here for incarceration, when the righties have comrades like the shooter today threatening anyone in public.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:33 pmThey would buy the clinic and use it as a memorial for the destruction of all clinics like it. They would use it as a place to teach more of such tactics that threaten and abuse a womans right to choose. They would use it to train other terrorists. And they would put pictures of Eric Rudolph and this latest man in the lobby as their heroes. What better place to do this, then the clinic this doctor founded. It would be to the fanatical right, their own kind of irony to have this clinic sight. That is why they want it.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:54 pmConservativeForProgress Says:
Proud Zooey? Is this what you mean by Choice?
Posting gross pictures doesn’t change any of the facts of the matter. Fetuses are not babies. Legislating the contents of another person’s internal organs is a violation of the Fourth Amendment.
If it’s legal to legislate the insides of other peoples’ bodies, then I could push to make it illegal to remove your appendix even if it burst, thus killing you. That might sound ridiculous to you, but maybe I’m going to start a pro-appendix religious movement and take over politics in your area. Anti-abortion legislation is the first step on a slippery slope to this sort of thing.
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obamawipe$ Says:
It’s really sad that the fallen recruiter that was shot by the muslim convert got zero coverage here. Play politics much?
Here is a thread relevant to the topic. Go complain about it there.
TP is not a news site, it’s an opinion site. It posts items relevant to the political agenda of the CAP. This is not a secret. And there’s nothing wrong with that.
If what TP did was passed off as journalism, then your complaints of uneven coverage might have some merit. But it is not, and therefore they do not.
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JohnM Says:
A heatbeat, moving limbs and brain activity are present at 12 weeks.
The same is true of a fetal gopher, kitten or any animal. Thus, that proves nothing.
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Ha Ha Ha Says:
Watch the Holocaust memorial shooter be a Muslim. What excuse will you leftists make for that?
If it were, we wouldn’t excuse it, as we haven’t excused the army recruiter shooting.
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tombaker Says:
The Bible says you’re imbued with a soul when you draw your first breath, and not before.
That’s oddly prescient of it, because birth is when neural networks begin to form between brain cells, constructing the physical basis for a mind.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:09 pmTear it down, then donate the land to the city with the stipulation that it be made into a city park dedicated to the memory of Dr. Tiller.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:38 pmI don’t have television reception, but would wager that the MSM isn’t covering the reasons why late-term abortion is such an important service. Why any journalistic organization would be content to let the wholly mythical stereotype of women deciding in their seventh or eighth month that they no longer want to have a baby ride roughshod over the sad truth, is beyond me. You’d think the MSM would be ashamed of themselves for not doing research that people who comment on blogs do as a matter of course.
June 10th, 2009 at 7:36 pmtombaker Says:
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The Bible says you’re imbued with a soul when you draw your first breath, and not before.
Funny then, that bible-thumpers would resort to scientific arguments to support their moralistic opinions.
Make up your minds Christo-Righties – can’t have it both ways.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
The Bible says you’re imbued with a soul when you draw your first breath, and not before.
If this is what you think the Bible says, bit is sure that’ll you’ll be gracious enough to post the book, chapter, and verse where the Bible says what you claim.
While your claim is not contrary to what the Bible says, as bit understands it, bit thinks the verse to which you refer actually says something different.
Bit thinks you’re referring to what Genesis says about the first man.
Genesis says that God breathed into the first man and the man became a living soul, and of course, the word soul is associated with breathing.
Genesis 2
bit believes this is verse to which you refer. Bit would appreciate any correction.
Since every living human came from this first man, it’s just as accurate to say that God put the breath of life – the soul – in every human. He did this by inviting people to participate in act of creation ( Genesis 1:28 “…be fruitful and multiply…”) One gets the gift of life from the Creator, and one gets the privilege, and responsibility, of passing this gift from the Creator to new generations.
If one rejects this “privilege and responsibility” by aborting their pre-born offspring, it seems to bit that the message to the Creator is this “Life is not an important gift which I appreciate; therefore, I choose death.”
How may TPers think this depiction in Genesis of the first person getting his soul from God is, in fact, an accurate description of how it occurred?
The Bible does have other things to say about pre-born humans.
Psalm 139
June 10th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
J. Fred Smug Says:
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Oh, they would DEFINITELY make it into some sort of shrine, or pilgrimage site, probably with some sort of a museum and a “prayer chapel” where they could hold “Christian” worship services celebrating the Tiller murder.
Twisted. Exactly why I no longer go to church anymore.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Believe there was a former abortion clinic down in Chattanooga, and the clinic had been made into some sort of memorial to all the pre-born who had been aborted there.
Seems there was a need in many of the almost mothers to memorialized their pre-born children. Inside of this former abortion clinic the walls were lined with little plagues with names the almost mothers had given to their almost children.
This strikes bit as sad beyond belief.
June 10th, 2009 at 11:01 pmMarie Says:
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It is truly a sad occasion. Women – and girls! – who are in desperate need of medical intervention at the last moment will be left with no option.
The zealots seem to think women stroll past a clinic and decide that this is a good day to have an abortion. How demeaning, insulting and cold. Abortion is an agonizing, wretched choice, filled with anguish and sorrow. Those that must occur in the final trimester are sometimes the most distressing of all — in that critical time, something gravely threatening developed in utero or in the pregnancy and urgent, drastic medical means must be applie– but the zealots have won this battle — a legal clinic is closed, one less doctor who will aid those women and girls who find themselves in horrible circumstances.
Wouldn’t it be of some comfort, if the zealots would advocate for pre-natal care, neo-natal care, well-baby care and other necessary services? Instead, they just say NO, wave their placards, incite lunatics to murder, and walk away, feeling smug and sanctimonious and self-righteous.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
You are aware, are you not, that it is reported that Abortionist Tiller stated that he had performed 60,000 abortions, and 10,000 of these abortions were late term abortions. Again according to Abortionist Tiller only 800 of these 10,000 abortions were done because there was something “wrong” with the pre-born child. The something “wrong” included pre-born twins and pre-born with cleft palates.
That’s eight percent of these pre-born with a “physical” problem.
Ninety-three percent of the abortions are done for birth control.
The zealots are advocating for responsibility.
June 10th, 2009 at 11:13 pmbitblt Says:
How may TPers think this depiction in Genesis of the first person getting his soul from God is, in fact, an accurate description of how it occurred?
Not me. If God created anything, he created the statistical mathematics and quantum fluctuations that led to humans evolving with the capacity to form complicated neural networks from their experiential environment, which we subjectively experience as our mental life – i.e. a “soul.”
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bitblt Says:
Believe there was a former abortion clinic down in Chattanooga, and the clinic had been made into some sort of memorial to all the pre-born who had been aborted there.
Seems there was a need in many of the almost mothers to memorialized their pre-born children.
I bet you anything 100% of the people going there are anti-abortion crusaders, with 0% being any of the “almost-mothers” involved. I don’t think they really had a need for a bunch of fundies to shove a private and difficult moment of their lives back in their face every day.
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bitblt Says:
This strikes bit as sad beyond belief.
Me too. But not in the same way.
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bitblt Says:
…it is reported…
Right up there with “it is written,” these days huh? Cite or STFU.
Having something as medically and psychologically difficult as a late term abortion just for birth control is so insane it could only exist in an alternative fantasy universe. That’s like chopping your hand off for getting a hangnail.
June 11th, 2009 at 12:28 amBit is a moron who uses meaningless propagandistic and stupid terms like pre born. Only someone really stupid would think that makes sense.
June 11th, 2009 at 1:30 amOp Rescue if in fact are interested in the Tiller clinic can only be viewing it as a trophy for one of their flock murdering someone they hated and expect many of their enabling violence followers to support more of the same in the future through donations.
If they wanted to kill so badly, why didn’t they volunteer for Iraq? Join Blackwater ? Plenty of killing they couldhave done in the name of their false God.
Physics displays for every action there is a reaction.
What does these people think the reaction will be?
Let us hope that the reactions are civil, reasoned and not ” twenty eyes for an eye”.
June 11th, 2009 at 3:40 amJohnM says:
I never said that they should be killed, which is the equivalent here, not enhanced interrogation. I am pro life, which is why I want to protect innocent people from terrorists and if that means enhnanced interrogation to save those people it is worth it. That is very much pro-life.
You on the other hand would rather protect a terrorist’s rights than protect a completely innocent baby and that is the true hypocrisy.
JohnM, I commend you for calling yourself pro-life. Our infant mortality rate is high and many children in our country do not have access to health care and how many of them die in early childhood due to inadequate health care? The logical extension of your pro-life stance is to call for universal health care for all. I mean who among those kids could have been the one to find a cure for cancer, to discover the largest prime number, to invent something that could change our lives for the better?
June 11th, 2009 at 4:54 ambltblt, this is addressed to you too. Since you are pro-life, you cannot help but to support health care FOR ALL regardless and the various CHIPs out there…
June 11th, 2009 at 4:54 am