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	<title>Comments on: Dobson And Disgraced WH Staffer Pay Bush Tribute: He Was &#8216;The Instrument In God&#8217;s Hand&#8217; That Kept Us Safe</title>
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		<title>By: aranansesli</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/11/dobson-goeglein-bush/comment-page-4/#comment-5686747</link>
		<dc:creator>aranansesli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ElBruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>ElBruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 06:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The phrase &quot;the instrument in God&#039;s hand&quot; just brings some rather... blasphemous images to mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The phrase &#8220;the instrument in God&#8217;s hand&#8221; just brings some rather&#8230; blasphemous images to mind.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5686617', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: takeoption3</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tired of fighting:
I laughed at your comment until I re-read the signature.  God bless you in your loss.  The only comment I had to say when dubya announced his war plan was: &quot;We&#039;re now going to send our children to kill their children&quot;.
Your post says it all - and I wish we, as Americans, would remember the true losses we are still enduring.  When put in perspective, the rest is meaningless.
jdlee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tired of fighting:<br />
I laughed at your comment until I re-read the signature.  God bless you in your loss.  The only comment I had to say when dubya announced his war plan was: &#8220;We&#8217;re now going to send our children to kill their children&#8221;.<br />
Your post says it all &#8211; and I wish we, as Americans, would remember the true losses we are still enduring.  When put in perspective, the rest is meaningless.<br />
jdlee<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5685893', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: robertsgt40</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Instrument in God&#039;s hand?&quot;  Which god would that be?  Thor, Zeus, Posidon?  He served his god alright.  And he still serves the dark side.  Memo to W: take a look at the Ten Commandments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Instrument in God&#8217;s hand?&#8221;  Which god would that be?  Thor, Zeus, Posidon?  He served his god alright.  And he still serves the dark side.  Memo to W: take a look at the Ten Commandments<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5685453', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: glogrrl</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>–&lt;em&gt; “George W. Bush kept us safe. Providence kept us safe. But George Bush was the instrument in God’s hand as the leader of the free world.” &lt;/em&gt;

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little...........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>–<em> “George W. Bush kept us safe. Providence kept us safe. But George Bush was the instrument in God’s hand as the leader of the free world.” </em></p>
<p>I think I just threw up in my mouth a little&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5685068', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: G Money 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>G Money 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Whether your a Christian, or a filthy heathen, this Christmas, share the &lt;em&gt;gift of war&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Looking for that perfect gift?  Why not give war, it creates jobs, stimulates the economy, and when done in the name of the one true God and his sidekicks Jesus and Holy Ghosty, brings us one step to meeting the maker himself.  Think of the look of joy on the recipients face when they realized you&#039;ve brought them one step closer to the rapture.  Think of the countless innocents that can be &quot;saved&quot; as our holy warriors precision bombs them to smithereens, (&lt;em&gt;and hopefully Heaven&lt;/em&gt;) and then come in to destroy what is left - ALL IN THE NAME OF GOD!

Think of the feel-good opportunities that will be opened, when you and your friends can then donate clothing, food, money, prayers and  time to helping the orphaned survivors, who although they probably weren&#039;t that bad off in hind site, now depend on the generosity of the world community for their continued survival.  

Don&#039;t worry, should they suffer and die as well, you can still pray for their souls.

I know, your heart is warmed by the thoughts about how war is so good for the global community, and a holy war, makes it even warmer.  

So write your representatives, and tell them you want to spread the blessing of war, especially to those less fortunate, non-christians.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Whether your a Christian, or a filthy heathen, this Christmas, share the <em>gift of war</em>.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Looking for that perfect gift?  Why not give war, it creates jobs, stimulates the economy, and when done in the name of the one true God and his sidekicks Jesus and Holy Ghosty, brings us one step to meeting the maker himself.  Think of the look of joy on the recipients face when they realized you&#8217;ve brought them one step closer to the rapture.  Think of the countless innocents that can be &#8220;saved&#8221; as our holy warriors precision bombs them to smithereens, (<em>and hopefully Heaven</em>) and then come in to destroy what is left &#8211; ALL IN THE NAME OF GOD!</p>
<p>Think of the feel-good opportunities that will be opened, when you and your friends can then donate clothing, food, money, prayers and  time to helping the orphaned survivors, who although they probably weren&#8217;t that bad off in hind site, now depend on the generosity of the world community for their continued survival.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry, should they suffer and die as well, you can still pray for their souls.</p>
<p>I know, your heart is warmed by the thoughts about how war is so good for the global community, and a holy war, makes it even warmer.  </p>
<p>So write your representatives, and tell them you want to spread the blessing of war, especially to those less fortunate, non-christians.</strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5685051', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: e_to_the_pOTATO BUG</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry i meant same breath, not sentence</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry i meant same breath, not sentence<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5685020', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: e_to_the_pOTATO BUG</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/11/dobson-goeglein-bush/comment-page-4/#comment-5685019</link>
		<dc:creator>e_to_the_pOTATO BUG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why do people that use the words blessing, gift, and war in the same sentence frighten me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why do people that use the words blessing, gift, and war in the same sentence frighten me?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5685019', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: cbs2nd</title>
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		<dc:creator>cbs2nd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE Plagarism; Did Bush give proper credit to Pete Townsend with his &quot;fool me once, shame of you, fool me ..... won&#039;t get fooled again&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE Plagarism; Did Bush give proper credit to Pete Townsend with his &#8220;fool me once, shame of you, fool me &#8230;.. won&#8217;t get fooled again&#8221;?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5685008', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: G Money 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>G Money 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I partly agree with this statement:

&lt;em&gt;“George W. Bush kept us safe. Providence kept us safe. But George Bush was the instrument in God’s hand as the leader of the free world.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

George W. Bush was a tool.  ;-D

Cheney is filling the void in the Former President George W. Bush&#039;s much welcomed absence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I partly agree with this statement:</p>
<p><em>“George W. Bush kept us safe. Providence kept us safe. But George Bush was the instrument in God’s hand as the leader of the free world.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>George W. Bush was a tool.  ;-D</p>
<p>Cheney is filling the void in the Former President George W. Bush&#8217;s much welcomed absence.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5684988', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: oldgranny</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dobson is a child psychologist not a minister.
He&#039;s very big on corporal punishment as evidenced by his books. Does that say anything about his character?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dobson is a child psychologist not a minister.<br />
He&#8217;s very big on corporal punishment as evidenced by his books. Does that say anything about his character?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5684967', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Game of Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Game of Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be real, Clinton kept us safe for 8 years. He also kept us financially secured too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be real, Clinton kept us safe for 8 years. He also kept us financially secured too.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5684950', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ElBruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>ElBruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gearfuse.com/lego-jesus-was-assembled-for-your-sins/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lego Christ&lt;/a&gt; says all your beliefs are heresy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.gearfuse.com/lego-jesus-was-assembled-for-your-sins/" rel="nofollow">Lego Christ</a> says all your beliefs are heresy!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5684911', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark701</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark701</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noboby with a brain takes Dobson seriously. He&#039;s just another wing-nut making up reality as he goes along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noboby with a brain takes Dobson seriously. He&#8217;s just another wing-nut making up reality as he goes along.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5684807', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: AllYouNeedIs</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;He immediately upon being told of the attacks knew that this was war and that we were being attacked existentially by radical Islam.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Considering Dub would likely need to look up the word &quot;existentially&quot; in a dictionary first, and then someone to explain it further, I don&#039;t think that&#039;s really an accurate description of what he knew or didn&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;He immediately upon being told of the attacks knew that this was war and that we were being attacked existentially by radical Islam.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Considering Dub would likely need to look up the word &#8220;existentially&#8221; in a dictionary first, and then someone to explain it further, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s really an accurate description of what he knew or didn&#8217;t know.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5684778', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: upright left</title>
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		<dc:creator>upright left</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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CageyCretin Says: 

 Now, only a great fool would &quot;hear the voice of god&quot; clearly and without question to the source, telling him or her to do something, and then ignore it. 

&lt;em&gt;Do you not know any &quot;great fools&quot;?  I assure you they are plentiful.  But it&#039;s not only fools who would ignore God&#039;s will.  Those with a sinful nature (everyone) also ignore God&#039;s will.  Your premise is just silly.&lt;/em&gt;

And for the christ-ian, which etymologically means &quot;Christ LIKE&quot;, the concept of &quot;a symbol of great self sacrifice out of love for others&quot; should then be your guide to treating others. How much are YOU willing to sacrafice for the sake of others? Considering your political beliefs, not much (You don&#039;t want to have YOUR &quot;hard-earned&quot; money pay for welfare, other&#039;s medical care, or any other such things... YOU want to keep &quot;YOUR MONEY&quot;, all for YOURSELF. Greed, plain and simple. So, what would Jesus say about that? Of course, you have your free will. I believe that Jesus said, on a number of occasions, something along the lines of &quot;The rich man has his reward here on earth, but the poor man will have his reward in heaven.&quot;

&lt;em&gt;Why do you assume that because you are a strict partisan that everyone else is too? I&#039;m all for welfare as long as it carries requirements that recipients who are able are making progress toward becoming at least somewhat self sufficient. I want the govt to provide healthcare to those who can&#039;t afford it and to prevent anyone from being bankrupted by medical costs.  I don&#039;t want the govt to create an enormous money pit in the process of trying to help people.  The tens of billions of dollars of waste and fraud in the Medicare system is nothing compared to what we&#039;ll see if great care isn&#039;t taken in the process of insuring everyone.  If that is greed, plain and simple, then I&#039;m guilty.  

I&#039;m well aware of what the Bible says regarding wealth and helping others.  I&#039;m also aware of what it says about not making your good works known to others.  Suffice to say I&#039;m comfortable in the knowledge that, more often than not, I have done the right thing in helping people in need. Fortunately for all of us, we don&#039;t judge each other in the end; Jesus does.&lt;/em&gt; ;)</description>
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CageyCretin Says: </p>
<p> Now, only a great fool would &#8220;hear the voice of god&#8221; clearly and without question to the source, telling him or her to do something, and then ignore it. </p>
<p><em>Do you not know any &#8220;great fools&#8221;?  I assure you they are plentiful.  But it&#8217;s not only fools who would ignore God&#8217;s will.  Those with a sinful nature (everyone) also ignore God&#8217;s will.  Your premise is just silly.</em></p>
<p>And for the christ-ian, which etymologically means &#8220;Christ LIKE&#8221;, the concept of &#8220;a symbol of great self sacrifice out of love for others&#8221; should then be your guide to treating others. How much are YOU willing to sacrafice for the sake of others? Considering your political beliefs, not much (You don&#8217;t want to have YOUR &#8220;hard-earned&#8221; money pay for welfare, other&#8217;s medical care, or any other such things&#8230; YOU want to keep &#8220;YOUR MONEY&#8221;, all for YOURSELF. Greed, plain and simple. So, what would Jesus say about that? Of course, you have your free will. I believe that Jesus said, on a number of occasions, something along the lines of &#8220;The rich man has his reward here on earth, but the poor man will have his reward in heaven.&#8221;</p>
<p><em>Why do you assume that because you are a strict partisan that everyone else is too? I&#8217;m all for welfare as long as it carries requirements that recipients who are able are making progress toward becoming at least somewhat self sufficient. I want the govt to provide healthcare to those who can&#8217;t afford it and to prevent anyone from being bankrupted by medical costs.  I don&#8217;t want the govt to create an enormous money pit in the process of trying to help people.  The tens of billions of dollars of waste and fraud in the Medicare system is nothing compared to what we&#8217;ll see if great care isn&#8217;t taken in the process of insuring everyone.  If that is greed, plain and simple, then I&#8217;m guilty.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m well aware of what the Bible says regarding wealth and helping others.  I&#8217;m also aware of what it says about not making your good works known to others.  Suffice to say I&#8217;m comfortable in the knowledge that, more often than not, I have done the right thing in helping people in need. Fortunately for all of us, we don&#8217;t judge each other in the end; Jesus does.</em> ;)<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5684743', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/11/dobson-goeglein-bush/comment-page-4/#comment-5684688</link>
		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who Believes that they, or their boss, have been chosen by God should be barred from government service. And anyone who thinks God wants us to invade a country for no good reason should be committed. It requires such a level of self delusion that the deluded party can&#039;t be counted upon for rational decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who Believes that they, or their boss, have been chosen by God should be barred from government service. And anyone who thinks God wants us to invade a country for no good reason should be committed. It requires such a level of self delusion that the deluded party can&#8217;t be counted upon for rational decisions.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5684688', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: DNFP</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/11/dobson-goeglein-bush/comment-page-4/#comment-5684684</link>
		<dc:creator>DNFP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;God gave us free will. He didn&#039;t approve of Judas&#039; action; He allowed it. It would have been easy enough to find Jesus without Judas&#039; betrayal. Judas could be an instrument of God if by that you mean God allowed Judas&#039; freely chosen action to occur and used it.&lt;/em&gt;

And the Sneetches fought over who was better, the one&#039;s with stars on their bellies, or the one&#039;s without.

Both stories are pure fiction, but Dr. Seuss a much better writer and story teller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>God gave us free will. He didn&#8217;t approve of Judas&#8217; action; He allowed it. It would have been easy enough to find Jesus without Judas&#8217; betrayal. Judas could be an instrument of God if by that you mean God allowed Judas&#8217; freely chosen action to occur and used it.</em></p>
<p>And the Sneetches fought over who was better, the one&#8217;s with stars on their bellies, or the one&#8217;s without.</p>
<p>Both stories are pure fiction, but Dr. Seuss a much better writer and story teller.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5684684', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: DNFP</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/11/dobson-goeglein-bush/comment-page-4/#comment-5684683</link>
		<dc:creator>DNFP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christian Taliban anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian Taliban anyone?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5684683', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: CageyCretin</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/11/dobson-goeglein-bush/comment-page-4/#comment-5684679</link>
		<dc:creator>CageyCretin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;upright left Says: 

God gave us free will.&lt;/em&gt;

Therefore there is no person who acts as the &quot;instrument of god&quot; or &quot;performs god&#039;s will&quot; -- because those sentiments imply that the direction of the action is from god (and not from dogma -- actually from god), and thus god is telling a human what to do. This is contrary to free will.  This concept requires that god has communicated a desired course of action, and any such direct communication is in defiance of free will -- while you may like to argue that such communication could be just &#039;suggestion&#039; and that the person still has the free will to ignore god, the situation itself includes and requires that the person receiving the communication believes completely and unreservedly that the communication is directly and unambiguously from god.  Now, only a great fool would &quot;hear the voice of god&quot; clearly and without question to the source, telling him or her to do something, and then ignore it. Therefore, god making it clear that it is god talking telling someone what to do is, implicitly, a compulsion to act as proscribed by god. This is not, then, a case of free will.  One&#039;s choice is not an open and free choice, since god stepped in and let the person know clearly that god expects a certain action -- which is a compulsion to act, not an offer of a choice of actions.

Parse if youplease, but you are only fooling yourself. &quot;The voice of god&quot; in your head telling you to do something, and you do not question that it truly and absolutelyy is god speaking, is a compulsion to act in that way.  God could subtly hint at desired actions without &quot;making his will known&quot; to a human clearly, thus allowing for more free will.  However, to be truly &quot;free will&quot; requires that god does not attempt to influence any person&#039;s actions at all, as once there is infulence the &quot;free&quot; of &quot;free will&quot; is lost -- and is inherent in the descriptions used:  was he acting according to his &quot;free will&quot;, or was he acting according to &quot;god&#039;s will&quot;?  The two are mutually exclusive when there is intervention involved.

And for the christ-ian, which etymologically means &quot;Christ LIKE&quot;, the concept of &quot;a symbol of great self sacrifice out of love for others&quot; should then be your guide to treating others.  How much are YOU willing to sacrafice for the sake of others?  Considering your political beliefs, not much (You don&#039;t want to have YOUR &quot;hard-earned&quot; money pay for welfare, other&#039;s medical care, or any other such things... YOU want to keep &quot;YOUR MONEY&quot;, all for YOURSELF. Greed, plain and simple.  So, what would Jesus say about that?  Of course, you have your free will. I believe that Jesus said, on a number of occasions, something along the lines of &quot;The rich man has his reward here on earth, but the poor man will have his reward in heaven.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>upright left Says: </p>
<p>God gave us free will.</em></p>
<p>Therefore there is no person who acts as the &#8220;instrument of god&#8221; or &#8220;performs god&#8217;s will&#8221; &#8212; because those sentiments imply that the direction of the action is from god (and not from dogma &#8212; actually from god), and thus god is telling a human what to do. This is contrary to free will.  This concept requires that god has communicated a desired course of action, and any such direct communication is in defiance of free will &#8212; while you may like to argue that such communication could be just &#8217;suggestion&#8217; and that the person still has the free will to ignore god, the situation itself includes and requires that the person receiving the communication believes completely and unreservedly that the communication is directly and unambiguously from god.  Now, only a great fool would &#8220;hear the voice of god&#8221; clearly and without question to the source, telling him or her to do something, and then ignore it. Therefore, god making it clear that it is god talking telling someone what to do is, implicitly, a compulsion to act as proscribed by god. This is not, then, a case of free will.  One&#8217;s choice is not an open and free choice, since god stepped in and let the person know clearly that god expects a certain action &#8212; which is a compulsion to act, not an offer of a choice of actions.</p>
<p>Parse if youplease, but you are only fooling yourself. &#8220;The voice of god&#8221; in your head telling you to do something, and you do not question that it truly and absolutelyy is god speaking, is a compulsion to act in that way.  God could subtly hint at desired actions without &#8220;making his will known&#8221; to a human clearly, thus allowing for more free will.  However, to be truly &#8220;free will&#8221; requires that god does not attempt to influence any person&#8217;s actions at all, as once there is infulence the &#8220;free&#8221; of &#8220;free will&#8221; is lost &#8212; and is inherent in the descriptions used:  was he acting according to his &#8220;free will&#8221;, or was he acting according to &#8220;god&#8217;s will&#8221;?  The two are mutually exclusive when there is intervention involved.</p>
<p>And for the christ-ian, which etymologically means &#8220;Christ LIKE&#8221;, the concept of &#8220;a symbol of great self sacrifice out of love for others&#8221; should then be your guide to treating others.  How much are YOU willing to sacrafice for the sake of others?  Considering your political beliefs, not much (You don&#8217;t want to have YOUR &#8220;hard-earned&#8221; money pay for welfare, other&#8217;s medical care, or any other such things&#8230; YOU want to keep &#8220;YOUR MONEY&#8221;, all for YOURSELF. Greed, plain and simple.  So, what would Jesus say about that?  Of course, you have your free will. I believe that Jesus said, on a number of occasions, something along the lines of &#8220;The rich man has his reward here on earth, but the poor man will have his reward in heaven.&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5684679', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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