Fact-Checking Republican Attacks Against The Public Option
Fact-Checking Republican Attacks Against The Public Option
Today during his speech in Green Bay, Wisconsin, President Obama reiterated his support for the public health option. “One of the options in the exchange should be a public insurance option — because if the private insurance companies have to compete with a public option, it will keep them honest and help keep prices down,” Obama said.
Indeed, a new public health insurance plan could restore competition into the consolidated health insurance market, lower health care premiums, lead the way in innovation, and improve health quality.
Republicans have mischaractarized the public option is a “government takeover” of health care. In this morning’s Wall Street Journal, Karl Rove argued that “if Mr. Obama signs into law a ‘public option,’ government-run insurance program as part of health-care reform we won’t be able to undo the damage.”
Rove’s rhetoric echoes the poll-tested talking points of Frank Luntz and other conservatives determined to protect the private insurer’s monopoly over coverage and deny Americans choice. The Wonk Room has compiled a fact-check of common public plan myths:
MYTH 1: A public option is unnecessary: “It’s unnecessary. Advocates say a government-run insurance program is needed to provide competition for private health insurance. But 1,300 companies sell health insurance plans. That’s competition enough.” [WSJ, 6/11/2009]
TRUTH: Insurer and hospital markets are dominated by large insurers and provider systems. Private insurers rarely negotiate with dominant hospital systems and typically pass on the higher costs to beneficiaries in the form of higher premiums. Already, “1 in 6 metropolitan areas in a 2008 study of more than 300 U.S. markets is dominated by a single health insurer that controls at least 70% of consumers enrolled in health maintenance organizations or preferred provider organizations.” Such consolidation negates any real competition. Without it, insurers don’t negotiate prices and boost their profits. In fact, “there have been over 400 health care mergers in the last 10 years,” and premiums have risen “nearly eight times faster than average U.S. incomes.” A public plan could, in an environment of head-to-head competition, push private insurance companies to negotiate more aggressively with providers and dramatically lower health care spending.” [Urban Institute, 10/03/2008; LA Times, 4/09/2009]
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Well, here’s just one small example of the sleight of hand this President is so adept at:
Oh, he must be referring to that government that is so honest that it:
1. Regularly engages in financial reporting that would result in JAIL TIME if engaged in by private enterprise.
2. Has raided the so-called Social Security and Medicare “trust funds” to the tune of over 100 TRILLION dollars.
There’s more…
June 11th, 2009 at 7:08 pmRove was a political hack for the Bush White House. He continues in that role.
As the number of uninsureds grew by 10 million on Karl’s shift, any advice should be completely ignored.
As for Obama, his prescriptions will not improve health care quality. Good solutions are in Dr. Gawande’s New Yorker piece. They are absent from the President’s plan.
June 11th, 2009 at 7:10 pmNever fails for me. The louder the squawking, the more likely the lie.
With the track record the right wingers have they are a perfect gauge about any subject. Whatever they claim the opposite is quite probably true.
So, oh trollish prognosticators, who’s going to take the World Series this year?
June 11th, 2009 at 7:13 pmAnd I wish I had known the big guy was going to be in Green Bay. I would like to hear him speak in person, just once. And I was just there yesterday.
June 11th, 2009 at 7:15 pm“One of the options in the exchange should be a public insurance option — because if the private insurance companies have to compete with a public option, it will keep them honest and help keep prices down,” Obama said.
One cannot compare the two. The government has shown that they will spend much more than they make and businesses cannot do that. So prices on the surface may be lower, but if the government funds it by borrowing money from another country for much of the cost it will be a lower cost on the surface, but the added interest expense over time will mean the cost is much more.
Companies will not be able to compete with those misleading prices and they will go out of business because of that. Then the government will completely control health care, which is what Obama really wants.
June 11th, 2009 at 7:22 pmOh, I think “a public option is unneccesary” would be a perfect platform for Republicans to run on in future races. Go out there and drum up votes by telling them that there’s no problem with the uninsured or with insurance rates and coverage. Tell them that the sky is orange while you’re at it. Maybe one of them will believe you.
June 11th, 2009 at 7:23 pmJune 11th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Well, Tim, that post is a bit misleading. Obama did say that but the rest of what you refer too has been going on for the last eight years++ And yes, I agree, it does need to stop. One question, why didnt the repubs stop it when they were in control since 1994-2006 and Bush from 2000-2008?
June 11th, 2009 at 7:28 pmIt would be just such a crying shame if the government offered a health insurance option. I mean, having government funded police, fire, highways, water and waste treatment, education and so forth has just totally destroyed the economy and our nation.
And it would destroy the free market like it has all the private package delivery companies, private security companies and so many others who offer an option for those who want to use a private option.
Oh the pain.
June 11th, 2009 at 7:31 pmActually the FED is not a government entity. The government is not in business to make money, basically money is loaned into existence from the FED creating federal debt. I notice the military industrial folks are doing very well making money from government contracts.
June 11th, 2009 at 7:32 pm…
johnm and tim vakasukadic,
the present system
works so well.
:)
it’s a real vote getter for the gop.
:)
June 11th, 2009 at 7:33 pmThe very reason they are against public insurance is because they DONT WANT competition.
June 11th, 2009 at 7:34 pmXisithrus Says:
The very reason they are against public insurance is because they DONT WANT competition.
There is actually a great deal of ‘competition’ in the existing market. What they are terrified of is someone who doesn’t belong to their good ole boy club who doesn’t go along with their rape, pillage and plunder for exorbitant profits.
It isn’t competition when they all play the same game.
June 11th, 2009 at 7:38 pmThe government pays for 68% of health costs anyway. It’s doubtful that the health insurance industry would survive if government jobs didn’t provide health insurance, and the insurance companies were required to cover everybody. They probably wouldn’t survive as they are if most people could afford lawyers to get all the coverage the policy paid for. Cheats.
June 11th, 2009 at 7:39 pmOne only need look as far as AIG to know that something is wrong when an insurance company creates a hedge fund in its bosom resulting in a bailout costing some 180 billion.
Theres more:
June 11th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Hoodathunktick Says:
It would be just such a crying shame if the government offered a health insurance option. I mean, having government funded police, fire, highways, water and waste treatment, education and so forth has just totally destroyed the economy and our nation
We already have government funded health care in this country. It’s called Medicare and it works quite well. They run Medicare with 4% overhead. The only problem with Medicare at this time is that Bush “starved the beast” (paying the providers less and less) to the point where most doctors won’t take Medicare patients. But, if we have a public option like Medicare, I’m sure that the government will pay rates that are fair to providers. Frankly I’m surprised that Obama hasn’t fixed those rates yet. Maybe he’s going to do it as part of health care reform.
June 11th, 2009 at 7:45 pmI stand corrected, I should have said they dont want outsider [public] competition. =)
June 11th, 2009 at 7:47 pmJust about any time you see 70% + domination of any market by one provider, you can be guaranteed that it is because of governmental regulations that benefit that provider.
This is true in agriculture, telecommunications, and insurance.
June 11th, 2009 at 7:47 pmWhere is this free market health care?
June 11th, 2009 at 7:50 pmrepublicans hate facts’s saarcasm meter is broken
June 11th, 2009 at 7:55 pmAlejandro Says:
republicans hate facts’s saarcasm meter is broken
It’s stuck on React.
June 11th, 2009 at 7:55 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Oh, he must be referring to that government that is so honest that it:
1. Regularly engages in financial reporting that would result in JAIL TIME if engaged in by private enterprise.
2. Has raided the so-called Social Security and Medicare “trust funds” to the tune of over 100 TRILLION dollars.
1. Macroeconomics =/= microeconomics.
What that means is that comparing how soverign states operate (managing an economic environment) has nothing to do with how businesses operate (participating in an economic environment). Mixing up the two is the first sign that you’re catching wingnutitis.
2. Citation please?
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JohnM Says:
Companies will not be able to compete with those misleading prices and they will go out of business because of that.
Not if they actually start providing some value for what they charge. They might want to consider actually doing that.
Chances are, whatever plan goes through is just going to cover “basic” care; if somebody wants a better plan than what the government’s offering, they’re going to have to buy it. If the current insurance companies can’t provide it, then new business models will appear to meet the demand.
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JohnM Says:
…which is what Obama really wants.
You don’t know jack sh!t about “what Obama really wants.” If anybody listened to your manic howling, America would be a giant smoking crater already.
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wiley Says:
The government pays for 68% of health costs anyway.
Public losses, private profits. That’s the way they want it, and monkeys like JohnM and Tim Vaculik will continue to march along in the monkey parade, right off the cliff.
June 11th, 2009 at 7:56 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
You mean companies won’t be able to MAKE AS MUCH PROFIT since the GOVERNMENT DOESN’T HAVE TO MAKE ONE?
You saying GOVERNMENT is MORE EFFICIENT that PRIVATE INDUSTRY? Or are you SAYING that government SUBSIDIES would make the PROGRAM MORE EFFICIENT?
Did you even read my post? I said that the government will continue to go in the red like the government continually does, companies cannot do this. You are a complete idiot. It is getting really old pointing out how ignorant you are everytime you post.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:04 pmJohnM
Are you really calling someone else an idiot? YOU are stupider than the hair on a barbershop floor.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:09 pmI gotta take a break from profitics, this profit before EVERYTHING, its so wrong in so many ways, and the fact that so many people, in and out of the government, are part and parcel to it..its beyond absurd.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:16 pmCampaign Finance Reform + Real Lobbyist Reform = Single Payer Not-For-Profit Healthcare.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:24 pmJohnM Says:
republicans hate facts Says:
You mean companies won’t be able to MAKE AS MUCH PROFIT since the GOVERNMENT DOESN’T HAVE TO MAKE ONE?
You saying GOVERNMENT is MORE EFFICIENT that PRIVATE INDUSTRY? Or are you SAYING that government SUBSIDIES would make the PROGRAM MORE EFFICIENT?
Did you even read my post? I said that the government will continue to go in the red like the government continually does, companies cannot do this. You are a complete idiot. It is getting really old pointing out how ignorant you are everytime you post.
****
johnm,
i don’t think name calling helps.
you should try this.
**
i wish you luck in your quest.
:|
June 11th, 2009 at 8:25 pmWe need to INVEST in a Universal Single Payer Health Care System. I want my health care money INVESTED in a long term health care system, not just SPENT on a one year Sickness & Injury insurance policy.
Without a PUBLIC plan, there is no health care reform!
June 11th, 2009 at 8:28 pmWe can afford to spend billions on defense, on Iraq, on foreign aid, but we can’t spend for health care. What is wrong with that picture?
June 11th, 2009 at 8:31 pmWell, we already know our new President is blowing smoke when he says he believes in competition.
Look no further than what he did with respect to competition in the education arena. You folks who voted for him in D.C. have discovered the hard way that he will NOT support any competition with the government monopoly in schools.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:31 pmCOProgressive,
If you think the4 government “invests” in anything then you are really in the dark!
June 11th, 2009 at 8:32 pmThe politicians just choose to give it away, what do they care? they get a good paycheck, health insurance, retirement, wined and dined, prostitutes, free housing, bask in the limelight on the sparkle box of intentional ignorance saying inane things while looking like the chesire cat who swallowed a gross of canaries.
And thats no conspiracy, thats the reality and I want none of it.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:35 pmI’ll make a prediction here and now that our new President is not going to prevail in this fight.
The best he can hope for is a compromise when it comes to health care “reform.” He’s already shown he will do that when it’s expedient and politically advantageous to do so.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:35 pmLook no further than what he did with respect to competition in the education arena.
Yeah, all those conservatives pushing their “no evolution” text books. Those companies are going to lose out. Too bad, so sad.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:37 pmI think they call it monetizing.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:38 pmWell, we already know our new President is blowing smoke when he says he believes in competition.
The smoke hasn’t cleared from his predecessor. Your party lost. Too bad, so sad.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:40 pmBTW how is that No Child Left Behind thing going?
June 11th, 2009 at 8:40 pmFolks, you may not realize a profound truth: taking the profit motive away from any industry, including health care, signals the death knell for that industry.
If it doesn’t die, government can step in and keep it on life support, but it’s not a pretty thing to witness.
I know one thing, I will personally lobby my representatives and senators to fight government health care proposals being floated by our new President to the bitter end. It is a recipe for disaster.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:41 pmTim Vaculik Says: If you think the4 government “invests” in anything
Social Security is working just fine for millions of Americans. Investing in health care MUCH better than pissing my money away every year for maybe coverage.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:42 pmTim Vaculik Says:
And if you think they dont then you are stupid. What was rural electrification? What was the GI Bill? What was the highway system? The money they spent to help build the railroads? ALL of those were investments in America and they all paid off big. Here is a clue you desperatly need. Just because you dont understand something doesnt mean that something isnt happening or isnt true.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:42 pmXisithrus,
What does NCLB have to do with anything? I’m talking about the voucher debacle caused by this President for the poor unfortunate kids in D.C.!
If you folks are all for competition, then you should have no problem with breaking up this government monopoly in education!
June 11th, 2009 at 8:43 pmThe banksters, GM, Chrysler and AIG already WITH a profit motive
June 11th, 2009 at 8:44 pmalready *FELL with a profit motive
June 11th, 2009 at 8:45 pmUmm Education?
That existed well before the current admin.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:46 pmTim Vaculik Says: I’ll make a prediction here and now that our new President is not going to prevail in this fight.
I got 50 bucks that says your wrong. I hope everyone takes you up on that suckers bet.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:48 pmThe profit motive also led to some 80% of sub-prime mortgage fraud by lenders.
The profit motive led to the opaque derivatives gamblers which helped to take down AIG
June 11th, 2009 at 8:49 pmThe profit motive led to record profits for big oil which harmed other businesses with high fuel prices.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:50 pmThe profit motive has led to 60% of bankruptcies for people with medical debt and they HAD private health insurance.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:52 pmUm. The reason that Social Security and Medicare have been raided is because they work. If they were operating in the red, as trolls like to claim, there would be nothing to raid.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:53 pm360++ mortgage lenders have imploded even with a profit motive.
The SEC is charging the CEO of countrywide, and two others with fraud…seems he had a profit motive….
June 11th, 2009 at 8:55 pmTim why am I not suprised you want to end public education. Sure lets further stratify our society. Lets have an education system where the RICH get world class education, the middle class gets a barely decent education and the poor get crap. Lets make everyone pay for something that should be given free to everyone according to their ability to better society itself. I see that you dont even understand the concept of investing in our country.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:55 pmOf course, trolls are also afraid the “scary black man” is going to lift their wallets and take their guns and make them marry a bunch of dead gay animals.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:56 pmAnd lets not forget Bernie Madoffs profit motive.
Profitics, the art of privatizing profit and socializing debt
June 11th, 2009 at 8:57 pmXisithrus:
There’s nothing wrong with the profit motive. The problem is when it’s left unregulated or, what’s far worse, when those with the most to gain by stealing are allowed to “regulate” themselves.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:01 pmAt campaign time Sean Hannity was blabbing about “free-market solutions” for health care. Funny, where were these “free-market solutions” when Bush was president and health care premiums were skyrocketing like never before under his administration?
Timmy and JohnM, do you expect people to believe that you have all the solutions after having had many years controlling the White House and Congress? I don’t care how conservative the both of you are — you have no right supporting rampant for-profit health care and forcing that on the U.S.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:08 pmThe government is bad.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:10 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
YOU are a moron. Just go kill yourself. You are too stupid to be of service to mankind in any other way
June 11th, 2009 at 9:11 pmSO, uncle karl:
The whole idea for healthcare reform IS TO DEAL WITH THE DAMAGE THE REPUBLICAN-BACKED STRATEGY HAS DONE OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS.
IT ISN’T INTENDED AS REFORM THAT YOU AND YOUR KIND CAN UNDO. IT’S INTENDED AS A PERMANENT SOLUTION TO PROVIDING EVERYONE WITH HONEST, AFFORDABLE, EFFECTIVE HEALTH CARE THAT CUTS VULTURES AND PROFIT-SEEKING VAMPIRES LIKE YOU AND YOUR SUPPORTERS COMPLETELY AND FOREVER OUT OF THE SYSTEM!!!
June 11th, 2009 at 9:11 pmEugeneDebs,
Point taken.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:12 pmpull yourself up by your boot straps. Don’t let the government play mommy and daddy. Be a grown up for once, liberals. Just try it…?
June 11th, 2009 at 9:12 pmJimmy Bread Crumbs — internet tough guy in mom’s basement.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:14 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Just go kill yourself moron. You are stupid and pathetic. A pustulent, seeping herpes sore on the ass of mankind. Do the world a favor and take yourself out of it. Just try for once doing something for your fellow man. Do the right thing
June 11th, 2009 at 9:14 pmEugeneDebs Says:
you got a big mouth for a 90 pound gay liberal. Its a shame you dont live in a redstate, somebody wouldve put you in your place a long time ago you mouthy little piece of shit.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:15 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
The government is bad.
Reagan is dead.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:16 pmHey! I’m all for removing the profit-based motive from health care in America and transforming our system into a profession based on providing care and maximizing the wellbeing of all persons.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:18 pmJimmy Big Bucks
And you have no brain. You are stupid even for a worthless piece of dogshite you are. I DO live in a red state and am a third degree black belt. Was the star on my wrestling team and you are an ignorant punk. Did your trailertrash whore of a mother ever tell you which of her brothers was you daddy? Did she ever take a break from blowing toothless syphilitic truckers for pocketchange to tell you?
June 11th, 2009 at 9:19 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Folks, you may not realize a profound truth: taking the profit motive away from any industry, including health care, signals the death knell for that industry.
We see a shortage of primary care specialists under for-profit health care.
Where’s the paradise promised under the money motive? It’s in Beverly hills where you can take your pick of plastic surgeons, apparently.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:20 pmEugeneDebs
you are a liar and a punkass little 90 pound GEEK. Nobody likes you here and your insults are all the same.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:21 pmJimmy Big Bucks
You are too stupid to deserve originality and no I am not a liar. You are a punk and a fool and the only thing you can do to make the world any sweeter is to just go kill yourself. You are worthless and even your trailertrash whore of a mother wont even miss you. Just take your gun go into the next room and do the right thing
June 11th, 2009 at 9:23 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
you got a big mouth for a 90 pound gay liberal. Its a shame you dont live in a redstate, somebody wouldve put you in your place a long time ago you mouthy little piece of shit.
Maybe you should put your “Big Bucks” where your mouth is and post your name and address, tough guy.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:24 pmgo suck a black cock you little fag princess
June 11th, 2009 at 9:25 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
See you are way too stupid to deserve originality. I dont DO requests besides I would have to beat your trailertrash whore of a mother off of them and I am too much of a gentleman to do that. Are you having flashbacks to how you and your “Uncle” used to spend your alone time?
June 11th, 2009 at 9:27 pmAnybody who supports health care as a $20M-paid-CEO junket shouldn’t be called a human being. Our little trolls don’t have to pay the premiums that line the executives’ filthy pockets, so as long as they’re not affected, it should remain everyone else’s problem.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:28 pmThat’s real good, Jimmy. In addition to posting your name and address, you need to pick up one of those $700-month policies. You’re tough enough, I’m sure you won’t flush your “Big Bucks” down the toil– er, your mouth.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:32 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
go suck a black cock you little fag princess
***
this will help you as well
as johnm and tim vakasucalink.
:)
June 11th, 2009 at 9:32 pmDont keep your inner freeper bottled up JBB, let it out! Let your emotions rule you!
June 11th, 2009 at 9:40 pmWhat miracles of modern science were not developed by the government and/or government funding?
The computer. Transplants. Electrical grids. Water treatment. GPS. Universities. Security systems. Dams.
Whence comes the attitude that the government is good for nothing?
June 11th, 2009 at 9:41 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
pull yourself up by your boot straps. Don’t let the government play mommy and daddy. Be a grown up for once, liberals. Just try it…?
Jimmy Big Bucks Says:
The government is bad.
YOu soiund just like that scumbag nazi republican terrorist who murdered a police officer at the Holocaust Museum yesterday. Who are you planning to murder?
June 11th, 2009 at 9:41 pmAnd why isn’t it understand that when you buy private health insurance, your medical bills are being payed by a collective? Buying health insurance does not = paying the costs of your medical care by your lone, libertarian self.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:43 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Folks, you may not realize a profound truth: taking the profit motive away from any industry, including health care, signals the death knell for that industry.
And that’s the problem, health care shouldn’t be an industry, it should be a right, that is provided by the government, just like public saftey is a right that is publicaly funded (police and the military). It’s phoney free marketeers like you who are ruining this country.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:44 pmIt’s not the government that’s evil, it’s greedy people who seek to profit off of the ignorance of others. Wall Street is for profit and it was almost to all of our ruination!
June 11th, 2009 at 9:45 pmAB, I can see your post at 86, but that’s it. If your other posts are being moderated, try using the “@” for an a in any marginally offensve word. The fliter here allows shit and ass, but you can’t say douchb@g…
June 11th, 2009 at 9:47 pmThe health care system has/is traveling down the same road as Wall Street. We need single payer or public option health insurance or it’s going to be to our own detriment.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:49 pmAB I can see my comments but everyone has either a 0 or a 1 – no other numbers.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:50 pmWhat part of ‘Of By and For the People’ doesnt JBB get?
June 11th, 2009 at 9:52 pmYou couldnt write pedo_phile other day
June 11th, 2009 at 9:54 pmCould you imagine if police and fire were privatized?
John Doe: Hello, police, I have an emergency.
Automated Message: Press 1 for McMansion area 2 for upper middle class 3 for middle class 4 for lower class for all other classes please hang up.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:59 pmJumping in here late, but regarding Timmeh’s argument that “taking the profit motive away from any industry, including health care, signals the death knell for that industry”:
the “profit motive” is great for a wide range of consumer products. It works where consumers benefit from a wide choice of vendors and products, and that range includes the choice to forego purchasing anything from any of them.
Neither health care nor education fit this category well.
Both are services that raise the standard of living for all when all have a base level of each. Yet the critical choice to refuse to purchase that “product” in both cases serves the broader society extremely poorly. With education, the choice to not participate leaves the society with an uneducated class, which statistically increases poverty, unemployment and crime.
The choice to not purchase health coverage also damages society, by exposing an underclass to catastrophic financial risks when medical needs cannot be ignored, by overburdening emergency rooms when the uninsured exploit that resource for routine medical issues, and obviously by exposing otherwise productive members of society to debilitating disease and expensive treatment that may otherwise have been dealt with quickly and easily in its early stages.
In short, the entire society is better off when everyone is educated and everyone is able to stay healthy.
The profit motive does little to improve either industry.
In both, maximizing profit depends on focusing on the most profitable consumers and dispensing with the less profitable ones.
In education, that means the kids who need the most attention get the least.
In health care, that means the patients who need the most care get the least. They are cut out of the system by the use of “pre-existing conditions” clauses or prohibitive premiums. they will not make the insurance company any money, so the insurance company will not want to cover them.
The “profit motive” works great for sneakers, or shovels, or Blu-ray disc players.
It doesn’t work so well for things the society cannot live without.
June 11th, 2009 at 10:02 pmI’m talking about the voucher debacle caused by this President for the poor unfortunate kids in D.C.!
Children should need a voucher for a good education. As the Reverend Al Sharpton said (paraphrasing): all schools should provide a quality education so children shouldn’t need to seek out vouchers for some place better. Obama spoke to him at length about it and from my understanding came to the same conclusions.
Having a proper and sound education should not go to the highest bidder and neither should good health coverage either.
June 11th, 2009 at 10:05 pmHey you Progressives who claim Von Brunn, a Registered democrat was a Right, explain this:
Weekly
FBI agents visited the offices of the conservative Weekly Standard magazine yesterday after a shooting at the Holocaust Memorial Museum and told employees they’d found the magazine’s address
A senior Standard staffer confirmed the visit but declined to discuss it in detail. An FBI spokeswoman, Katherine Schweit , also declined to comment on the investigation.
You hate towards Neo Cons, Israelis and Christians caused this. He’s one of your people. I bet if he attacked the Weekly Standard, you guys would of viewed him as a hero. If he killed Israelis or Christians You would love that. His victim’s blood is on your hands. It was your attacks and smears that caused this. When Leftist get shot, don’t be shocked if we laugh. Your hateful rhetoric caused this. You are all pieces of shit scumbags and cowards.
You Progressives are the haters.
June 11th, 2009 at 10:06 pmflag the off topic, inflammatory troll and move on please :)
June 11th, 2009 at 10:08 pmJohnM, looktothehills, I’m glad you’re both here! Since you have proclaimed yourself pro-life so courageously and with such conviction, I need you to sign this petition asking for the public option when it comes to health care. There are millions without health care and who knows how many die?
June 11th, 2009 at 10:19 pmThanks for the kind words, AB.
June 11th, 2009 at 10:20 pmhmm… IIRC, Our friend “The Blame Game” showed up here claiming to be a progressive.
No one believed him, of course, but doesn’t that make him a LIAR?
I believe it does.
June 11th, 2009 at 10:22 pmThe Blame Game Says:
Hey you Progressives who claim Von Brunn, a Registered democrat was a Right, explain this:
Weekly
Standard may have been shooter target
FBI agents visited the offices of the conservative Weekly Standard magazine yesterday after a shooting at the Holocaust Memorial Museum and told employees they’d found the magazine’s address
A senior Standard staffer confirmed the visit but declined to discuss it in detail. An FBI spokeswoman, Katherine Schweit , also declined to comment on the investigation.
You hate towards Neo Cons, Israelis and Christians caused this. He’s one of your people. I bet if he attacked the Weekly Standard, you guys would of viewed him as a hero. If he killed Israelis or Christians You would love that. His victim’s blood is on your hands. It was your attacks and smears that caused this. When Leftist get shot, don’t be shocked if we laugh. Your hateful rhetoric caused this. You are all pieces of shit scumbags and cowards.
You Progressives are the haters.
…
you sound angry.
:|
June 11th, 2009 at 10:25 pmWhen Leftist get shot, don’t be shocked if we laugh
He accuses us of loving it if the Weekly Standard offices would have been shot up, but then says this masterful tidbit…we wouldn’t be shocked, because you would be up there laughing with the most fringe of the wingnuts.
June 11th, 2009 at 10:28 pmyou sound angry.
:|
Maybe Richard Mart**** aka Trajan is still angry about the nasty STD he received from the skank from TN who is actually a Bosnian Serb and a rabid hater of Muslims.
June 11th, 2009 at 10:32 pmIt’s like Rush Limbaugh’s talking turd. Rush took a dump this morning and the turd, armed with the newest talking point, creates a TP account and smears itself on the thread.
June 11th, 2009 at 10:33 pmAhhh AB, it’s not hate when wingnuts do it…it’s patriotism!
June 11th, 2009 at 10:39 pmWhy are democrats so violent?
June 11th, 2009 at 10:42 pmThe Blame game is a very hateful person. But people here are hateful as well. Look at the top Right Corner: The Progress Report. It talks about the Real threat of Extremism. What is funny is when an Islamist shot up an Army Recruiting Station people, here were justifying it and I never saw Think progress discuss the threat of Islamic Terror.
The shooting of the Holocaust Museum was wrong and I hope that man gets the death penalty. But why when a Muslim does it, progressives don’t get upset? Can someone here give me an honest answer?
June 11th, 2009 at 10:49 pmWhy does McCain have a violent temper?
June 11th, 2009 at 10:51 pmSorry, O.T.
But people have ignored a few elephants in the room…
Senator Whitehouse on Torture: It’s Worse Than Everybody Thinks
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/43462
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June 11th, 2009 at 10:57 pmAmericasBack,
June 11th, 2009 at 10:57 pmThat Islamist who shot the recruiting station, many here on Think progress justified it. Why is it OK for him to do that? Why do progressives support Islamic extremists? Be honest you guys love that Von Brunn did this shooting. Be real about it!
Nope not a veteran, and neither are you.
June 11th, 2009 at 10:58 pmNEW YORK (Reuters) – News Corp’s MySpace refused to comment on Thursday on a report the previous day that said the online social network will fire a “massive” number of employees.
Well, I hate see more people unemployed so they can pay Becks excessive salary. Beck should help them out by taking a pay cut or cancelling his contract
June 11th, 2009 at 11:02 pmAmericaBack,
June 11th, 2009 at 11:02 pmArmy 1st Battalion, 5th Infantry Regiment Fought in Falluja in November 2004. I fought, you didn’t sailor.
But why when a Muslim does it, progressives don’t get upset?
We don’t get upset. We identify the logical course of action to make sure it never happens again. We expect our leaders to do something. You expect an emotional crusade when that gets nobody nowhere. The DHS report identifies a series of threats and that’s not good enough for you. You want us to pout.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:03 pmBobby McGee Says:
A little reality for you, wingnut. We liberals have been upset with all the useless deaths of our soldiers caused by the Bush Crime Family lying them into a useless war. We were upset about the muslim terrorist who killed the soldiers but soldiers get killed everyday according to the chickenhawk cowards who support the Bush war for oil. We are also concerned about the right wing haters, the teabaggers who make hate speeches about abortion doctors and the president and then go out to kill innocent people who are abiding the law. Right wingers are unhinged and out of control. They hate and cannot control it. To make it worse they listen to lunatics who are drug addicts, drop outs, and alcoholics who lie to them to stir them up. Right wingers are no different than the fundies in the Middle east.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:04 pm.
Bobby McGee Said:
I feel so sad for your wife that you still beat her. Send her our wishes.
Seriously, with such blatant mistruths of yours. Care to point to where the shooter is an Islamist versus an American? And care to link to the posters you vilify by labeling them terrorist sympathisers? Or about the American Holocaust shooter?
Seriously, stop beating your wife and tell her to stop humping with the family dog, K?
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June 11th, 2009 at 11:05 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Nope not a veteran
But you do hold master certification as a chickenhawk.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:06 pmMcGee, your being ignored for trolling — just thought I would save you the huge effort of trying to spell and making inane, false accusations.
BTW, the when did you stop beating your wife type of loaded questions are really, seriously, lame.
No need to reply
June 11th, 2009 at 11:07 pmIt’s one think to be a sick fcuk that supports murder, but being a sick fcuk that wants Progressives to get behind that is to be a particularly stupid and desperate sick fcuk.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:07 pmJimmy Big Bucks, you’re emblematic of the most dangerous places to live in the U.S., the red states.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:10 pmBobby McGee Says:
But why when a Muslim does it, progressives don’t get upset? Can someone here give me an honest answer?
June 11th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
I’m guessing you have some evidence to back up your ridiculous assertion? Other than “it just flew off your fingers.”
June 11th, 2009 at 11:10 pmMegaloptera McWars,
June 11th, 2009 at 11:13 pmCall me a chicken hawk punk. Army 1st Battalion, 5th Infantry Regiment, I was at Fallujia while you were here supporting your beloved Iraqi Insurgents.
The ???????? have some fatally flawed logic.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:15 pmThe Kerkos that is
June 11th, 2009 at 11:15 pmA better and tangential question is why this is happening?
June 11th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Sorry, O.T. Elephants…
More ’sickening’ truths about torture soon to be revealed
By David Edwards and Muriel Kane
Published: June 11, 2009
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/06/11/maddow-more-sickening/
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June 11th, 2009 at 11:19 pmReggie Says:
you sound angry.
:|
Maybe Richard Mart**** aka Trajan is still angry about the nasty STD he received from the skank from TN who is actually a Bosnian Serb and a rabid hater of Muslims.
****
let’s take ‘em to
the “fun zone“.
:)
June 11th, 2009 at 11:19 pmReal Vet Says:
Megaloptera McWars,
Call me a chicken hawk punk. Army 1st Battalion, 5th Infantry Regiment, I was at Fallujia while you were here supporting your beloved Iraqi Insurgents.
Sir, whatever one may or may not have thought about the reasons for the unnecessary war in Iraq, no one ever supported the Iraqi insurgents. We may have felt that the fact our country created them was unfortunate, but no one applauded there efforts.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:20 pmWhy arent the kerkos concerned about this? Where is the outrage about this private debacle?
June 11th, 2009 at 11:20 pmReal Vet Says:
Megaloptera McWars,
Call me a chicken hawk punk. Army 1st Battalion, 5th Infantry Regiment, I was at Fallujia while you were here supporting your beloved Iraqi Insurgents.
***
get ‘em scott!
:|
:0
June 11th, 2009 at 11:21 pmtheir, not there…sorry
June 11th, 2009 at 11:22 pmSoldier, you know better than to make such dubious and unfounded claims on people here, Americans, and accuse them of supporting entities that work against the united states. If you have any proof of anything you claim I suggest you take it to the authorities.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:24 pmReal Vet Says:
I was at Fallujia while you were here supporting your beloved Iraqi Insurgents.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
We tried to prevent you going there, since it was Bush/Cheney’s vanity war. Even Dick Cheney says Iraq had nothing to with 9/11, just like we knew all along — and so did he.
Since you seem so angry at us, I’m guessing you’re REALLY pissed at Bush & Cheney.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:24 pm…
use your k-bar, soldier!
:|
:\
June 11th, 2009 at 11:24 pmBobby McGee…? Still waiting on that evidence.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:25 pmReal Vet Says:
Megaloptera McWars,
Call me a chicken hawk punk. Army 1st Battalion, 5th Infantry Regiment, I was at Fallujia while you were here supporting your beloved Iraqi Insurgents.
Trajan, taking on the personality of a vet who feels disrespected is, in fact, disrespectful to veterans. Stick with the approved list of aliases issued by your Latin Kings.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:27 pmAnother O.T. elephant…
Lieberman and Graham wage their own private cover-up war
by Larisa Alexandrovna
http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/06/lieberman-and-graham-wage-their-own-private-cover-up-war/
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June 11th, 2009 at 11:28 pmAlright, who sprayed the troll repellent…?
June 11th, 2009 at 11:28 pmZooey Says:
Bobby McGee…? Still waiting on that evidence.
…
do not hold your breathe.
:0
June 11th, 2009 at 11:29 pmnever happen the insurance companies have paid off too many politicans for it to happen
but there will be a show of trying to make it happen
americans only need a show
single payer will only happen when most americans dont have coverage
like the smoking thing
americans wake up politicans dont represent you they cant they must represent the lobbyists for the money to win elections.
it is that simple
hey it will be a good show to watch
until we clean out wash and change the consitution nothing much will change
time to drain the swamp in wash
June 11th, 2009 at 11:29 pmWasn’t me this time Zooey…
June 11th, 2009 at 11:31 pmSteamed clams anyone…
You have no right, sir, to try and denigrate me, or any other American, with your false and conspiratorial statements that are meant to demonize and rationalize your misplaced anger.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:31 pmFallujia
June 11th, 2009 at 11:34 pm—
How many different ways are you going to spell this place you were?
joe cantwell Says:
do not hold your breathe.
:0
June 11th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
No way! It takes a long time for those big red splotches to go away. ;)
June 11th, 2009 at 11:35 pmYou can have my steamed clams, db. Thanks anyway. :)
June 11th, 2009 at 11:35 pmdbadass Says:
Wasn’t me this time Zooey…
Steamed clams anyone…
Why must you always torment me with seafood? I have locally made fresh butter, pass the clams please.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:36 pm…
damn those red splotches…
damn them all to hell.
:(
June 11th, 2009 at 11:36 pm.
Dear Real Vet,
So, Fallujia, eh?
Like this?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5763436135046925462&ei=NMwxSs7eEqqGqQOLzvzgAw&q=Fallujia&hl=en
Or more like this?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8905191678365185391&ei=NMwxSs7eEqqGqQOLzvzgAw&q=Fallujia&hl=en
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June 11th, 2009 at 11:36 pm…
max and db,
how many phony soldiers
does it take to make a troll?
….
just one.
…
without shame.
:|
June 11th, 2009 at 11:39 pmMegaloptera McWars,
Latin Kings, are you serious coward? Give me your email and when we meet tell me to my fac,e I’m some stupid gang banger. I’ll have 5 other Vets from my unit with me. You are really a tough guy sitting behind a computer and don’t know what I faced those 6 weeks in Falluja.
Zooey ,
June 11th, 2009 at 11:40 pmI volunteered and served proudly while people like you stabbed us in the back. I would do it again, hey you have email? I’ll send you pictures of some of my work in Iraq. You’ll see your beloved insurgents on the ground. Take me up on my offer, you don’t know what you are dealing with.
I have locally made fresh butter, pass the clams please.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:40 pm–
Who’s got the beer? That butter sounds great. I just have the VT Cabot store kind…
Real Vet Says:
Zooey ,
I volunteered and served proudly while people like you stabbed us in the back. I would do it again, hey you have email? I’ll send you pictures of some of my work in Iraq. You’ll see your beloved insurgents on the ground. Take me up on my offer, you don’t know what you are dealing with.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
F uck you. I grew up in a military family, and greeted Vietnam POWs as they returned — broken in mind and body.
Real veterans — people not you — don’t ever brag about the things they have to do on the battle field, no matter what their political persuasion.
You are a fraud.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:43 pmMax Anax junius -1,
June 11th, 2009 at 11:43 pmNo shame here at what I did. You must be mad at what we did to your heroes. I’m up in Ft. Drum, NY. Ask for Roger, I dare any of you cowards.
An O.T. Elephant NOT to ignore…
Restore the rule of law
http://aclu.org/accountability/
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June 11th, 2009 at 11:43 pmBlah, blah, blah, vet, buddies, blah, blah, blah.
Who gives a fcuk? There are a lot of vets here, I’m one of them. Perhaps you’re one of those semi-literate, chest pounding grunts who thinks he’s in the sh*t because he’s “tough”, and is too stupid to realize that it’s because he scored too low on the ASVABS to be anywhere else.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:44 pmDo you like clams Rog?
June 11th, 2009 at 11:44 pmReal Vet, this is the internet. You’re an anonymous poster. You’re trying hard to convince someone but you’re too combative. Vet or not, come back when you’ve calmed down. I’m still holding onto the hunch that you’re Trajan. Screen names seem to have quickly alternated while posting style is similar.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:45 pmReal Vet Says:
Max Anax junius -1,
No shame here at what I did. You must be mad at what we did to your heroes. I’m up in Ft. Drum, NY. Ask for Roger, I dare any of you cowards.
***
you need five other to help you?
go f uck yourself scott.
:|
June 11th, 2009 at 11:46 pmBlame Bush for putting you in a position to be killed. We lost 4000+ Americans and countless Iraqis needlessly because Bush chose an unnecessary war.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:46 pmI am out here. This website has been watch for years by many in the Military, we know where you stand and who you support. I already told you all where I am, ask for Roger and I’ll come see you. Many of my Army Buds here in the 10th Mountain would love to give you muzzie lovers a piece of our minds. But I know you cowards will never leave your mommy’s basement. Cowards don’t take on real men.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:47 pmReal Vet, give it a rest. If you have any proof of anyone ’stabbing you in the back’ if you dont then stop making such bizarre claims.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:48 pmWhy are you lashing out at us when it was Bush who put you in a position to be killed needlessly?
June 11th, 2009 at 11:49 pm…
phone directory.
called mp’s.
told them to check out your posts,
“roger”.
:)
threatening civilians
just isn’t the way to go, troop.
:|
June 11th, 2009 at 11:49 pmWho would have thought that there would be only one dude named Roger at Ft. Drum…
June 11th, 2009 at 11:49 pm.
Dear Real Vet,
Who’s heroes? I never said anyone was my hero, yet you attribute militants as some one’s hero. Project much?
Let me guess…
… I suppose you refer to Obama as the Messiah, too?
You do know that following illegal orders is NOT an excuse, but instead, a justification for a lack of self determination and a willingness to stand UP FOR well worn principles, oh, and the Constitution. And you do know that members of the military CAN disobey illegal orders… NO?
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June 11th, 2009 at 11:51 pmCowards don’t take on real men.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:51 pm— Stab you in the back? Shit I’ll stab you in the front. Swing by NYC. Ask for Bill…
Real Vet Says:
I am out here. This website has been watch for years by many in the Military, we know where you stand and who you support. I already told you all where I am, ask for Roger and I’ll come see you. Many of my Army Buds here in the 10th Mountain would love to give you muzzie lovers a piece of our minds. But I know you cowards will never leave your mommy’s basement. Cowards don’t take on real men.
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oh twajie,
you got to get a new act.
:)
June 11th, 2009 at 11:51 pmReal Vet Says:
Cowards don’t take on real men.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
You would know.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:51 pmReal Vet,
you have problems and it’s not because of us it’s because of Bush and the republicans. They put you in a position to be killed needlessly.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:52 pmdbadass Says:
Who would have thought that there would be only one dude named Roger at Ft. Drum…
…
he doesn’t have a last name.
he’s like cher.
:)
June 11th, 2009 at 11:53 pmNat Says:
Real Vet,
you have problems and it’s not because of us it’s because of Bush and the republicans. They put you in a position to be killed needlessly.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
That idiot has never been out of his home town. :D
June 11th, 2009 at 11:53 pm…
zooey,
“roger” is hiding under his
bed again. give him a minute.
:)
June 11th, 2009 at 11:53 pmReal Vet Says:
You must be mad at what we did to your heroes.
I for one am not. Those who fought answered the call of their country. You are not responsible for the fact that your leaders used you and your honor like a truckstop ‘ho. I am mad at what the neocon cabal did to my heroes. Jefferson, Madison, Mason, et. al. would really be unhappy with what they did to the constitution,
Dbadass..I’ve got Black & Tan..will that do?
June 11th, 2009 at 11:53 pmWho shocked the troops in the showers?
Who gave the troops bad water and food?
Who lost billions in Baghdad?
Who was the CIC when the stop-loss was put in place?
Who left the troops rummaging for plating in the scrap yard for the Humvees they were using?
June 11th, 2009 at 11:53 pm….
roger?
roger…?
:0
June 11th, 2009 at 11:53 pmAmericasBack Says:
hey Real Vet, You hear that? The Sgt Mgr of The Army just said he recognizes ALL the Solders, Sailors, Airmen and Marines that are ‘here’ serving in Iraq. Everyone. ALL SERVICES
June 11th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
If “Real Vet” weren’t a fraud, he/she/it would know that.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:54 pm.
p.s.
Cowards only know how to OBEY orders…
… Because they’re too chicken sh!t to question illegal orders.
I support the troops…
… Who question illegal orders!
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June 11th, 2009 at 11:56 pm.
Roger…
… and out.
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June 11th, 2009 at 11:57 pmBwah, I know quite a few people that have served during wartime and NONE, not ONE talks like this Real Vet going around threatening people.
June 11th, 2009 at 11:57 pm…
roger (twajie)
c’mon back and do some more
of your scott roeder psycho stuff!
bring your “buddies”!
…
June 12th, 2009 at 12:00 amIs Rog on his way to NYC? I hope so…
June 12th, 2009 at 12:02 amI wonder if Beck, Or Hannity, maybe O’Reilly would be willing to assist these Americans, with families, maybe pay for their health insurance till they get back on their feet. Lets hear it for the compassionate people that I just know, in my heart, that they will leap at the chance to help these people.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:04 amI see Trajan still hasnt changed. Trajan, Roeders wife left him for all that conspiratorial talk, would hate to see your girlfriend, she looks like a nice girl, break up with you.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:07 amYeah Rog, and his buddies Duane and Rerun…
June 12th, 2009 at 12:15 amYour girlfriend has some really nice legssssss Trajan
Just kidding. Where did you get the crabs anyhow?
June 12th, 2009 at 12:16 amAnd real men don’t make threats they know they’ll never have to back up.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:20 am.
Dear Think Progress,
Please consider banning the chit-chat and selsi bot.
The links go to a foreign website that has links to ADULT PORN. I honestly think that Think Progress isn’t attempting to be a site where individuals can get ADULT SITE content.
But, eh… I suspect I’m wrong…(?)
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June 12th, 2009 at 12:21 amralph. Why do you suppose he selected the name Roger? What significance do you think it has to him? Is the capitalization of buds a subconscious reference to the cheap shit ass beer he feels is his friend?
June 12th, 2009 at 12:23 amAmericasBack Says:
many good and true things.
Thank-you.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:23 amAmerica’s Back: allow me to return the compliment. That was beautifully said in #205.
I don’t believe “Real Vet” either. All of the truly tough people I’ve known in my life, the ones who had really been through some shit, they didn’t come out the other side loud and combative. They came out the other side humbled yet supremely confident in their ability to handle themselves. Confident enough that they didn’t have to threaten others.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:24 amLooks like I missed the psycho vetunreal. Did he get squashed like the trollbug he is?
June 12th, 2009 at 12:24 amdbadass, isn’t “Roger” one of the standard terms of old CB radio slang?
June 12th, 2009 at 12:25 amWhen did soldiers start getting the idea that they were anything but government issue? Where did they get the idea that they were entitled to lecture civilians on what opinions they’re supposed to have?
You sign up. Do your time. Do what you’re told. As troops, we owe our soldiers and (we) veterans care and support. As individuals, we don’t owe them a goddamned thing.
Not that I believe that everyone who says they’re a soldier or veteran is—I don’t. But so what if you are? Most low ranking soldiers don’t don’t jacks*it about anything outside their unit anyway.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:25 amRoger that ralph…
June 12th, 2009 at 12:25 amwiley Says:
Not that I believe that everyone who says they’re a soldier or veteran is—I don’t. But so what if you are? Most low ranking soldiers don’t don’t jacks*it about anything outside their unit anyway.
I am not a veteran, but isn’t it true here as elsewhere in life that those who talk the most did the least? The rest have the quiet confidence of real heroism, and a profound disrespect for those who argue trivia, given that they’ve dealt with real things?
June 12th, 2009 at 12:34 amYou make me proud to be a locust.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:37 am..as she looks down and scrapes her toes through the dirt, a most humble thank-you,
June 12th, 2009 at 12:53 ammany good and true things.
Thank-you.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:06 ama?k oyunlar?
reely…
You’re a good guy, AmericasBack. Thanks for your excellent insight.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:10 amJohnM Says:
I said that the government will continue to go in the red like the government continually does, companies cannot do this.
The recent credit crunch has demonstrated that yes, companies actually continually operate on credit for their day-to-day operations. Otherwise the financial collapse wouldn’t have been as immediately dangerous to the general economy as it was. The notion that companies don’t operate “in the red” is… quaint. Yes JohnM, your 1950’s imaginary economy is indeed at risk. But single-payer isn’t the threat, reality is.
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Tim Vaculik Says:
Look no further than what he did with respect to competition in the education arena. You folks who voted for him in D.C. have discovered the hard way that he will NOT support any competition with the government monopoly in schools.
No idea what you’re talking about. But I will point out that destroying the public school system is not the same thing as competing with it.
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Tim Vaculik Says:
The best he can hope for is a compromise when it comes to health care “reform.”
Oh really? Republicans hold all the cards now, hmm? Your chest-beating predictions are hollow as always.
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Tim Vaculik Says:
What does NCLB have to do with anything? I’m talking about the voucher debacle caused by this President for the poor unfortunate kids in D.C.!
D.C. didn’t used to have vouchers, and doesn’t now. The fact that you wignuts didn’t get to use D.C. as a lab to test your insane theories hardly constitutes a “debacle” for D.C.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:10 amand I am proud to know you as well. You are correct in that we will be dealing for years with the mental anguish this war has inflicted. No matter the cause, we send our children to fight, children we would shield from the dangers of suburbia wind up on the front lines, and bring home every flavor of pain we hoped to shield them against. I pray my country meets our obligation to those we call heroes.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:11 amYou guys have done such a fantastic job of handling the trolls on this thread I’m all teary eyed. Thanks to all you progressives.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:21 amAmericasBack, glad to have you here. Mozilla Firefox has a spell checker but it doesn’t give you the correct spelling.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:23 amOutstandingInAPlagueOfLocusts Says:
You are correct in that we will be dealing for years with the mental anguish this war has inflicted. No matter the cause, we send our children to fight, children we would shield from the dangers of suburbia wind up on the front lines, and bring home every flavor of pain we hoped to shield them against.
… and then right wingers go on the Internet and try to make buffoonish caricatures of their service. We’re not the ones who are effectively spitting on them.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:34 amYeh, the Firefox spell checker is maddening at times. Have to go look up a word because it says its wrong. ()&*^$^#@
OT. This is one for the troll-o-dex to debunk the claim that the current admin bailed out TARP and misused TARP funds
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June 12th, 2009 at 1:39 amSleepy, I meant to say bailed out Chrysler not TARP, my bad.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:43 amBobby McGee
You are a liar and a fool. NO ONE HERE justified or appologized in ANY way for the shooting of the recruiter. You really live in your own little world dont you?
June 12th, 2009 at 1:50 amLaid off and tapped out….
June 12th, 2009 at 1:51 amReal Vet Says:
You are a liar a fool and a punk. You arent a vet you are a punkass troll and a cowardly piece of dogshit
June 12th, 2009 at 1:52 amRVet is a liar and a punk dont let him get you mad thats what he wants. He is a coward and a fool. He comes here to annoy people because his life is so pathetic. No one likes him no one respects him no one ever will. His dismal lonely life makes him want attention so he comes here and lies and annoys people. Stab the troll. Insult the troll let him know how stupid and pathetic he is and we know it but for goodenss sake dont let him get you mad
June 12th, 2009 at 1:59 am______
Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
The only problem with Medicare at this time is that Bush “starved the beast” (paying the providers less and less) to the point where most doctors won’t take Medicare patients.
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The billions of dollars lost annually in Medicare fraud is quite a problem as well. Hopefully, Obama’s effort to reduce fraud and waste will not only be effective in Medicare, but will be applied as well to any public healthcare plan that is created.
June 12th, 2009 at 2:18 amI volunteered and served proudly while people like you stabbed us in the back.
Real Vet
Many posters here have also served and do not have a chip on their shoulder. Calm down, observe and take lessons.
The real world is not as Rush, Hanity and the other hate America dumb as.s have led you to believe.
June 12th, 2009 at 2:38 amI’m wary of rules of thumbs when it comes to judging the veracity of a claim, but when the topic is health insurance, and someone wants to muscle in with the claim of being a soldier, it’s specious.
Even if he is, so what? It’s a mistake to get suckered into “support the troops” to the point that people are expected to praise individual soldiers as if the uniform (or claim to one) actually conferred goodness upon them. As civilians, we should not reflexively give deference to soldiers as if they outrank us.
This is an all-volunteer military. I have sympathy for the tired and war-torn, but I don’t salute them. They did their job—they should benefit from that. They want recognition, they should talk to the VA and people who want to give them recognition. I did not support this war. I won’t support this war. And I won’t thank soldiers for fighting a war I see as being illegal, immoral, and unjustifiable. I don’t hold individual service personnel responsible for that. My heart goes out to the troops who get it that they’ve been had, but I’m not going to take flak from any one of them because they served.
June 12th, 2009 at 2:39 amI feel sorry for those that served in Iraq. I would not want to be in their shoes when they find out, really find out all the killing was over lies. They were used.
Wasn’t Rush the only talk show allowed over there? Talk about being brain washed. I will bet many still believe the illegal invasion of Iraq was about 9/11.
June 12th, 2009 at 2:51 amhad enough Says:
I feel sorry for those that served in Iraq. I would not want to be in their shoes when they find out, really find out all the killing was over lies. They were used.
And no amount of “stay the course” is ever going to uncover a valid justification for the war when none existed in the first place. No amount of hero-worship or praise is going to gloss over that fact. And no amount of benefits for veterans is going to truly make up for it.
June 12th, 2009 at 3:03 amThey want recognition, they should talk to the VA and people who want to give them recognition. I did not support this war. I won’t support this war.
Most of us saw through the lies and were appalled when Bush started Shock and Awe. But the DOD manipulated those in the military, gave them a sense of false importance of the job they were directed to do. Emails were being screened by the military, a group Military Families Speak Out internet communications was stopped…and they had Rush for what they thought was the truth. So for awhile, I will blame the attitudes on those claiming to be out of the Iraq on pure ignorance from being in the military.
June 12th, 2009 at 3:05 amhad enough Says:
So for awhile, I will blame the attitudes on those claiming to be out of the Iraq on pure ignorance from being in the military.
The notion that people serving in the military follow the right-wing “alternative reality” parade is another one of the right wing’s myths. I’ve never met a conservative vet under the age of 50.
June 12th, 2009 at 3:27 amI want Obama’s health plan to pass as I got a $19,000 medical bill for when my father was in the hospital for two weeks dying of cancer in which he passed away. His health insurance only covered so much and in fact they didn’t cover a lot of his medical needs. I’m in the process of hiring a lawyer to fight some of these ridiculous charges and that’s sad that i’m getting ready to fight his health insurer over money.
Phuck AMA and the GOP et al. I want and voted for a public health option.
June 12th, 2009 at 6:55 amIndeed, a new public health insurance plan could restore competition into the consolidated health insurance market, lower health care premiums, lead the way in innovation, and improve health quality.
all excellent reasons why it
AINGONGHAPUN!!!
We’ll get something that LOOKS like, and can be SPUN as, health-care coverage for all, but if it includes the HIP (Health Insurance Parasites), it won’t be any kind f REAL change, just a new, more complicated way to siphon off our money…
June 12th, 2009 at 8:40 amI volunteered and served proudly while people like you stabbed us in the back.
Real Vet
What I wish is that there was an anti-war movement that was as powerful and angry as the Anti-Choice one is…
June 12th, 2009 at 8:43 amMorning all.
June 12th, 2009 at 9:36 amYou know Jimmy know nothing the people here are pretty tolerant of potty mouthed juvenile right-wingers,but your racist screed above crossed the line. I flagged you and asked the moderators to put you on notice.
And Zooey is right, the vets I know don’t want to talk about their experiences, much less brag about being a big deal; they want to start new lives and forget about the past.
And so I too, think your’re a fraud.
tonyh and lido
Fake military veteran hid under ‘ocean of lies’
“What he was doing was looking for a cause to promote himself. I see this repeatedly. I’ve had a hundred cases just this year like Rick Strandlof’s. … What they’re doing is building a kingdom of self and feeding their own ego.”
LINK
Remind you of any trolls?
June 12th, 2009 at 10:17 amTimVacucunt = pharmaceutical salesman in fear of loosing highly lucrative, corrupt job.
Piss-off loser.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:08 am…
looks like “roger” (twajie)
pussy’d out again.
not surprised.
:)
June 12th, 2009 at 11:10 amHey Joe ,if I get a virus from clicking on that garbage you owe me a new computer.
June 12th, 2009 at 3:01 pmtony and lido
ranus69 Says:
I want Obama’s health plan to pass as I got a $19,000 medical bill for when my father was in the hospital for two weeks dying of cancer in which he passed away. His health insurance only covered so much and in fact they didn’t cover a lot of his medical needs. I’m in the process of hiring a lawyer to fight some of these ridiculous charges and that’s sad that i’m getting ready to fight his health insurer over money.
I’m very sorry for your loss.
I would put money on the fact the greedy health care industry made sure your father had assets to cover the bill before they allowed it to get that high.
You are NOT responsible for the debt… give them the finger.
June 12th, 2009 at 3:58 pmMy boyfriend is an MP stationed at Fort Drum.
He’s been in Iraq and will be going back sometime soon, and you know, I never once have heard him say anything so slanderous or speak so rudely about another veteran, regardless of what branch they served in.
And really, ask for Roger? Ft. Drum is a pretty big place, I have a hard time believing that if you strolled up and said “Hey, I’m here for Roger” that it’d get you very far.
June 12th, 2009 at 5:17 pmAs the “public plan” requires premiums and co-pays just as private HMO plans do, and since there is no single payer national health plan even being considered let alone included in the debate, this is a hoax. The “public plan” is no different than an HMO plan, just marketed as “public”. BUT WHAT IS TRULY TERRIFYING IS THE POSSIBILITY THEY WILL ELIMINATE OUR MEDICARE MEDICAID SYSTEMS ENTIRELY AND FORCE EVERYONE TO PAY PAY PAY FOR ANY HEALTHCARE THEY RECEIVE. Americans cannot afford their care NOW! WE NEED A SOCIALIZED SYSTEM AS THE VA PROVIDES NOW FOR OUR SERVICEMEN and WOMEN!!!
June 13th, 2009 at 6:19 amWHY ARE YOU ALL NOT DEMANDING AN EXPANSION OF THE VA OR MEDICARE MEDICAID TO COVER ALL WHO CANNOT AFFORD HMOS????????
June 13th, 2009 at 6:21 amen son videolar
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