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	<title>Comments on: Buchanan argues against affirmative action: &#8216;One prefers the old bigotry.&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: peaceandjustice</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/12/buchanan-old-bigotry/comment-page-5/#comment-5688649</link>
		<dc:creator>peaceandjustice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 05:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;ElBruce Says:

What you&#039;re asking of Sotomayor in Ricci is that she push to overturn the case in order to defy existing law in favor of white firefighters. What you&#039;re demanding is nothing less than judicial activism.&lt;/em&gt;

The last case heard by the Supreme Court on disparate impact was &lt;em&gt;Wards Cove Packing Co. v. Antonio&lt;/em&gt; 490 U.S. 642 (1989). The interesting aspect of this case is that the plaintiffs do not dispute that the test results showed a racially adverse impact on African-American candidates for both positions.  In other words, had the minority candidates challenged the results of the exams, the City would have had to defend tests.

The Supreme Court has not decided a Title VII disparate impact
case since the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1991. The oral arguments before the Supreme Court on April 22 are interesting, especially pages 45 to 48 of the transcript where Chief Justice Roberts questions Mr. Meade, attorney for the City, about throwing out test after test until they get they result that they want. 
See: 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>ElBruce Says:</p>
<p>What you&#8217;re asking of Sotomayor in Ricci is that she push to overturn the case in order to defy existing law in favor of white firefighters. What you&#8217;re demanding is nothing less than judicial activism.</em></p>
<p>The last case heard by the Supreme Court on disparate impact was <em>Wards Cove Packing Co. v. Antonio</em> 490 U.S. 642 (1989). The interesting aspect of this case is that the plaintiffs do not dispute that the test results showed a racially adverse impact on African-American candidates for both positions.  In other words, had the minority candidates challenged the results of the exams, the City would have had to defend tests.</p>
<p>The Supreme Court has not decided a Title VII disparate impact<br />
case since the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1991. The oral arguments before the Supreme Court on April 22 are interesting, especially pages 45 to 48 of the transcript where Chief Justice Roberts questions Mr. Meade, attorney for the City, about throwing out test after test until they get they result that they want.<br />
See:<br />
<a href="http://www.supremecourtus.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/07-1428.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.supremecourtus.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/07-1428.pdf</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5688649', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: fpliving</title>
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		<dc:creator>fpliving</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because of Pat Buchanan, I have stopped being a regular watcher of Hardball and Rachel Maddow. He is just too retrogressive and pathetic, and clearly MSNBC keeps him on the air for sensationalist effect and I cannot respect or abide that.
Peter Loffredo
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because of Pat Buchanan, I have stopped being a regular watcher of Hardball and Rachel Maddow. He is just too retrogressive and pathetic, and clearly MSNBC keeps him on the air for sensationalist effect and I cannot respect or abide that.<br />
Peter Loffredo<br />
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		<title>By: aranansesli</title>
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		<dc:creator>aranansesli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ensonvideolar.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;en son videolar&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.ensonvideolar.com/" rel="nofollow">en son videolar</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ensonvideolar.net/" rel="nofollow">en son videolar</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5687280', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ElBruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>ElBruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 05:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;kassandrasduplex Says:

Where I live in Southern California almost all the homeless we see are white males.&lt;/em&gt;

This proves what, exactly?

.

&lt;em&gt;kassandrasduplex Says:

Too many white men are hurting badly economically.&lt;/em&gt;

There are &lt;strong&gt;no&lt;/strong&gt; societal disadvantages to being white and male.  Of everybody, they&#039;ve got the best shot at a decent job, and a decent future across the board.  If they can&#039;t cut it with all the advantages they have, then maybe they should actually try harder.

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&lt;em&gt;ralph the wonder locust Says:

People on the far right like to flatter themselves that they are for the poor and the downtrodden.&lt;/em&gt;

I call it &quot;whining.&quot;

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&lt;em&gt;peaceandjustice Says: 

Would this show that she would be a Justice that would form opinions based on current social standards rather than established case law?&lt;/em&gt;

The three-judge panel she was on declined to overturn the lower court ruling.  That&#039;s standard.  But look at it the other way - if New Haven had &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; thrown out the test results, the black firefighters would &lt;strong&gt;definitely&lt;/strong&gt; have had a case to sue them under title VII of the Civil Rights Act and a great deal of judicial precedent.  If you back the white firefighters, then at best it&#039;s a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don&#039;t situation.

What you&#039;re asking of Sotomayor in &lt;em&gt;Ricci&lt;/em&gt; is that she push to overturn the case in order to defy existing law in favor of white firefighters.  What you&#039;re demanding is nothing less than &lt;strong&gt;judicial activism&lt;/strong&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>kassandrasduplex Says:</p>
<p>Where I live in Southern California almost all the homeless we see are white males.</em></p>
<p>This proves what, exactly?</p>
<p>.</p>
<p><em>kassandrasduplex Says:</p>
<p>Too many white men are hurting badly economically.</em></p>
<p>There are <strong>no</strong> societal disadvantages to being white and male.  Of everybody, they&#8217;ve got the best shot at a decent job, and a decent future across the board.  If they can&#8217;t cut it with all the advantages they have, then maybe they should actually try harder.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p><em>ralph the wonder locust Says:</p>
<p>People on the far right like to flatter themselves that they are for the poor and the downtrodden.</em></p>
<p>I call it &#8220;whining.&#8221;</p>
<p>.</p>
<p><em>peaceandjustice Says: </p>
<p>Would this show that she would be a Justice that would form opinions based on current social standards rather than established case law?</em></p>
<p>The three-judge panel she was on declined to overturn the lower court ruling.  That&#8217;s standard.  But look at it the other way &#8211; if New Haven had <strong>not</strong> thrown out the test results, the black firefighters would <strong>definitely</strong> have had a case to sue them under title VII of the Civil Rights Act and a great deal of judicial precedent.  If you back the white firefighters, then at best it&#8217;s a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don&#8217;t situation.</p>
<p>What you&#8217;re asking of Sotomayor in <em>Ricci</em> is that she push to overturn the case in order to defy existing law in favor of white firefighters.  What you&#8217;re demanding is nothing less than <strong>judicial activism</strong>.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5686588', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: RickD</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 05:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;She&#039;s a Mexican racist!
&lt;/blockquote&gt;


She&#039;s a Lithuanian racist!

She&#039;s an Albanian racist!

She&#039;s a Basque racist!

She&#039;s an Inuit racist!

You know, the disparity between knowledge and confidence in knowledge is truly astonishing with some people.  One wonders why some people are so confident in what they say when what they say is manifestly false!

She&#039;s a diabetic penguin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>She&#8217;s a Mexican racist!
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<p>She&#8217;s a Lithuanian racist!</p>
<p>She&#8217;s an Albanian racist!</p>
<p>She&#8217;s a Basque racist!</p>
<p>She&#8217;s an Inuit racist!</p>
<p>You know, the disparity between knowledge and confidence in knowledge is truly astonishing with some people.  One wonders why some people are so confident in what they say when what they say is manifestly false!</p>
<p>She&#8217;s a diabetic penguin!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5686582', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: DallasNE</title>
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		<dc:creator>DallasNE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 04:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Affirmative Action is not perfect. It did not, however, give us Sonia Sotomayer -- not with her #1 ranking. It did, however, give us Clarence Thomas. Interestingly, both were George H. W. Bush picks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Affirmative Action is not perfect. It did not, however, give us Sonia Sotomayer &#8212; not with her #1 ranking. It did, however, give us Clarence Thomas. Interestingly, both were George H. W. Bush picks.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5686562', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: DICKERSON3870</title>
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		<dc:creator>DICKERSON3870</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 01:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE:‘One prefers the old bigotry.’

MY COMMENT: I agree. &#039;Old school&#039; bigotry is far more tasteful than these neo-bigots! Subtlety and understatement are best.  Walk softly but carry a BIG, concealed stick.</description>
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<p>MY COMMENT: I agree. &#8216;Old school&#8217; bigotry is far more tasteful than these neo-bigots! Subtlety and understatement are best.  Walk softly but carry a BIG, concealed stick.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5686472', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even before Affirmative Action, there were factors other than pure merit taken into consideration for admission into many universities, such as geographic distribution, extracurricular and/or sports activities, and alumnus/alumna parent or grandparent.  Of course, all the neocons complaining about Sotomayor, who more than proved her worth by graduating summa cum laude, have no trouble with C-student legacies like Dumbya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even before Affirmative Action, there were factors other than pure merit taken into consideration for admission into many universities, such as geographic distribution, extracurricular and/or sports activities, and alumnus/alumna parent or grandparent.  Of course, all the neocons complaining about Sotomayor, who more than proved her worth by graduating summa cum laude, have no trouble with C-student legacies like Dumbya.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5686455', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: wiley</title>
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		<dc:creator>wiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are some definitions of Reza



&lt;blockquote&gt;crumb; an egg beaten up and fried; a scrap, piece, bit, orts; small coin; a prop (m.c.); a kind of cock; children employed in mason work, and who receive one-half, or a third, of a man&#039;s pay; the young of any animal (as p?l-reza, A young elephant); The stars;--reza shudan, To be broken or pounded small; A scrap of food; The shavings of a pen; To break in pieces; A little fragment falling off in cutting with scissors.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Funny name for a warrior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some definitions of Reza</p>
<blockquote><p>crumb; an egg beaten up and fried; a scrap, piece, bit, orts; small coin; a prop (m.c.); a kind of cock; children employed in mason work, and who receive one-half, or a third, of a man&#8217;s pay; the young of any animal (as p?l-reza, A young elephant); The stars;&#8211;reza shudan, To be broken or pounded small; A scrap of food; The shavings of a pen; To break in pieces; A little fragment falling off in cutting with scissors.</p></blockquote>
<p>Funny name for a warrior.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5686298', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: kasinca</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buchanan still boasts of the southern stategy of the republican party and he is still mad that Nixon got caught covering up in the Watergate investigation.  It has only been forty years.  The guy is an angry old racist and he should not be on television.  It turn the channel everytime I see his angry face.  His sister and Joe Scarface are even worse than him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buchanan still boasts of the southern stategy of the republican party and he is still mad that Nixon got caught covering up in the Watergate investigation.  It has only been forty years.  The guy is an angry old racist and he should not be on television.  It turn the channel everytime I see his angry face.  His sister and Joe Scarface are even worse than him.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5686280', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ape-Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ape-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the Republican leadership would run from the right wing stink, but it turns out the smell is coming from the republicani leaders themselves.  In high definition!  Daily!  Thanks to the MSM that is.

How about if shows like these replace their republican pundits with independants: [not fake ones like Dobbs]
Situation Room
No Bias No Bull
AC 360
Hardball

That would be a start.  I&#039;d hate to think &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; of the current batch will be around much longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the Republican leadership would run from the right wing stink, but it turns out the smell is coming from the republicani leaders themselves.  In high definition!  Daily!  Thanks to the MSM that is.</p>
<p>How about if shows like these replace their republican pundits with independants: [not fake ones like Dobbs]<br />
Situation Room<br />
No Bias No Bull<br />
AC 360<br />
Hardball</p>
<p>That would be a start.  I&#8217;d hate to think <em>any</em> of the current batch will be around much longer.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5686189', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: sherifffruitfly</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(shrug) It&#039;s just how white folks are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(shrug) It&#8217;s just how white folks are.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5686185', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: jerseyboyblue</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is disgusting , even by Buchanan&#039;s trademark standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is disgusting , even by Buchanan&#8217;s trademark standards.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5686180', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Artist Formerly Known as 'Bartlebee'</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Artist Formerly Known as 'Bartlebee'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;calavzma Says:

Gee, and you don&#039;t think that&#039;s what my comment implied?

:&#124;

Or is it that you don&#039;t want to think, that that&#039;s what my comment implied?

i was just piling on for more jokes....

jokes and jokes and jokes and jokes&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Pile is a good descriptor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>calavzma Says:</p>
<p>Gee, and you don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s what my comment implied?</p>
<p>:|</p>
<p>Or is it that you don&#8217;t want to think, that that&#8217;s what my comment implied?</p>
<p>i was just piling on for more jokes&#8230;.</p>
<p>jokes and jokes and jokes and jokes</p></blockquote>
<p>Pile is a good descriptor.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5686025', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dieselis</title>
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		<dc:creator>dieselis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;i&#039;m  really not surprised mr buchanan is entitled to his opinion. i&#039;ve watched this quiet racism that was a mainstay of the reagan revoulution. now minorities we ourselves are a big part of the problem.many of our parents and grandparents sacrificed their own to make a better life for the children. today were so self centered.  affirmative action has been helpful. we do have to realize that its not a level playing field people like pat don&#039;t want you to succeed. it galls them to no limit when you do and it appears you got a hand up from somewhere. minorities have to realze its a stacked deck not just because of racism. the simple fact your a minority puts you at a loss.we take care of our own.racism exascerbates the problem exponetually. you have to realize you have to excel. college is no longer a guaranteed paying job. if college is your thing great. there are many well paying jobs that only reguire tech school and/or special training. learn some thing well. develop a good character and your on the way. you&#039;ll run into pat&#039;s of the world,your own might hold you back but you&#039;ll see people will give you a chance. people of all races and situations will help you. make the best of it. learn to accept critizism. it brings the cream to the top. you get good at some thing and people like pat need your service. they&#039;ll forget their a racist long enough for you to get the job done. in their hearts though they may never admit it they&#039;ll know their wrong. there is no stronger remedy to racism and ignorance than stong character with substance.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>i&#8217;m  really not surprised mr buchanan is entitled to his opinion. i&#8217;ve watched this quiet racism that was a mainstay of the reagan revoulution. now minorities we ourselves are a big part of the problem.many of our parents and grandparents sacrificed their own to make a better life for the children. today were so self centered.  affirmative action has been helpful. we do have to realize that its not a level playing field people like pat don&#8217;t want you to succeed. it galls them to no limit when you do and it appears you got a hand up from somewhere. minorities have to realze its a stacked deck not just because of racism. the simple fact your a minority puts you at a loss.we take care of our own.racism exascerbates the problem exponetually. you have to realize you have to excel. college is no longer a guaranteed paying job. if college is your thing great. there are many well paying jobs that only reguire tech school and/or special training. learn some thing well. develop a good character and your on the way. you&#8217;ll run into pat&#8217;s of the world,your own might hold you back but you&#8217;ll see people will give you a chance. people of all races and situations will help you. make the best of it. learn to accept critizism. it brings the cream to the top. you get good at some thing and people like pat need your service. they&#8217;ll forget their a racist long enough for you to get the job done. in their hearts though they may never admit it they&#8217;ll know their wrong. there is no stronger remedy to racism and ignorance than stong character with substance.</strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5685955', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Zooey</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/12/buchanan-old-bigotry/comment-page-4/#comment-5685945</link>
		<dc:creator>Zooey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Intrepid Says:

looktothehills Says:

Affirmative Action is a failure to society. I do not need any corporation or firm to hire me based on a race quota. I prefer to be hired or denied employment based on education and professional skills.

Translation:

looktothehills Says:

&lt;strong&gt;WHITE POWER!!!&lt;/strong&gt;
June 13th, 2009 at 1:58 am &lt;/em&gt;

This is SO interesting, since Daryll aka looktothehills is black.  Or, as he calls himself, a &quot;dark-toned individual.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Intrepid Says:</p>
<p>looktothehills Says:</p>
<p>Affirmative Action is a failure to society. I do not need any corporation or firm to hire me based on a race quota. I prefer to be hired or denied employment based on education and professional skills.</p>
<p>Translation:</p>
<p>looktothehills Says:</p>
<p><strong>WHITE POWER!!!</strong><br />
June 13th, 2009 at 1:58 am </em></p>
<p>This is SO interesting, since Daryll aka looktothehills is black.  Or, as he calls himself, a &#8220;dark-toned individual.&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5685945', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: peaceandjustice</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/12/buchanan-old-bigotry/comment-page-4/#comment-5685922</link>
		<dc:creator>peaceandjustice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the 1978 &lt;em&gt;Bakke&lt;/em&gt; case, the Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional the use of fixed quotas for minority applicants at professional schools. At issue was a state medical school&#039;s affirmative action program that, because it required a certain number of minority admissions, twice denied entrance to an otherwise qualified white candidate (Allan Bakke). Though the court outlawed quota programs on the grounds that they violated the equal-protection clause of the Constitution of the United States, it allowed colleges to use race as a factor in making college admissions decisions.&quot;

In the &lt;em&gt;Ricci&lt;/em&gt; case, the New Haven, Connecticut, Fire Department sought to fill captain and lieutenant positions. Pursuant to a City regulation known as the “rule of three,” once test results are “certified,” the Department must promote from the group of applicants achieving the top three scores. Immediate application of the “rule of three” to these exams would not have allowed for the promotion of any black firefighters. 

Because of these outcomes, the City’s independent exam review board, which must vote to certify test results, held hearings to consider the possibility that the tests were racially biased. Because the exam review board split evenly, 2-2, on whether to certify the exam results (with one member recusing herself based upon a conflict of interest), they were not certified.

A group of white firefighters, one of whom is also Hispanic, who scored some of the highest results on the administered exams, filed suit against the City and its officials, alleging that the City’s action violated Title VII and the Equal Protection Clause. On cross-motions for summary judgment, the district court granted the City’s motion, agreeing that the City did not need to certify the results because doing so could subject it to litigation for violating Title VII’s disparate impact prohibition.

On appeal, the Second Circuit, which Judge Sotomayor sat on,  affirmed the district court’s opinion summarily.

The question is this: Is a requirement that there be &quot;at least one minority&quot; a &quot;fixed quota&quot; that was forbidden by the Supreme Court in the &lt;em&gt;Bakke&lt;/em&gt; decision, but permitted by the Second Circuit in the &lt;em&gt;Ricci&lt;/em&gt; case? If so, would this show that Judge Sotomayor participated in an opinion ignoring a previous precedent from the higher Supreme Court? Would this show that she would be a Justice that would form opinions based on current social standards rather than established case law? 

The case is now before the Supreme Court on &lt;em&gt;writ of certiorari&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the 1978 <em>Bakke</em> case, the Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional the use of fixed quotas for minority applicants at professional schools. At issue was a state medical school&#8217;s affirmative action program that, because it required a certain number of minority admissions, twice denied entrance to an otherwise qualified white candidate (Allan Bakke). Though the court outlawed quota programs on the grounds that they violated the equal-protection clause of the Constitution of the United States, it allowed colleges to use race as a factor in making college admissions decisions.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the <em>Ricci</em> case, the New Haven, Connecticut, Fire Department sought to fill captain and lieutenant positions. Pursuant to a City regulation known as the “rule of three,” once test results are “certified,” the Department must promote from the group of applicants achieving the top three scores. Immediate application of the “rule of three” to these exams would not have allowed for the promotion of any black firefighters. </p>
<p>Because of these outcomes, the City’s independent exam review board, which must vote to certify test results, held hearings to consider the possibility that the tests were racially biased. Because the exam review board split evenly, 2-2, on whether to certify the exam results (with one member recusing herself based upon a conflict of interest), they were not certified.</p>
<p>A group of white firefighters, one of whom is also Hispanic, who scored some of the highest results on the administered exams, filed suit against the City and its officials, alleging that the City’s action violated Title VII and the Equal Protection Clause. On cross-motions for summary judgment, the district court granted the City’s motion, agreeing that the City did not need to certify the results because doing so could subject it to litigation for violating Title VII’s disparate impact prohibition.</p>
<p>On appeal, the Second Circuit, which Judge Sotomayor sat on,  affirmed the district court’s opinion summarily.</p>
<p>The question is this: Is a requirement that there be &#8220;at least one minority&#8221; a &#8220;fixed quota&#8221; that was forbidden by the Supreme Court in the <em>Bakke</em> decision, but permitted by the Second Circuit in the <em>Ricci</em> case? If so, would this show that Judge Sotomayor participated in an opinion ignoring a previous precedent from the higher Supreme Court? Would this show that she would be a Justice that would form opinions based on current social standards rather than established case law? </p>
<p>The case is now before the Supreme Court on <em>writ of certiorari</em>.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5685922', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bilbo Hussein Baggins</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/12/buchanan-old-bigotry/comment-page-4/#comment-5685896</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilbo Hussein Baggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Bozo The Neoclown Says:
kassandrasduplex Says:
&quot;It&#039;s time to end affirmative action. Where I live in Southern California almost all the homeless we see are white males.&quot;
let me give you the standard cancervative answer to this, troll: &quot;they are homeless because they enjoy being homeless and should go get a job.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

But, the reply to that from this poster will be that the reason why they are homeless is because they can&#039;t get a job because affirmative action is giving all the jobs he could get to minorities.  Which, of course, is pure bunk.  

The purpose of affirmative action in schools is to try to level the playing field.  If you have an inner city school where the school gets $2,000 per student vs. a suburban school where the school gets $5,000 per student, which one do you think is going to provide the better education?  Until such time as an equal education is available to all children in this country, affirmative action will be needed to level the playing field and give the inner city children a chance to compete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Bozo The Neoclown Says:<br />
kassandrasduplex Says:<br />
&#8220;It&#8217;s time to end affirmative action. Where I live in Southern California almost all the homeless we see are white males.&#8221;<br />
let me give you the standard cancervative answer to this, troll: &#8220;they are homeless because they enjoy being homeless and should go get a job.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>But, the reply to that from this poster will be that the reason why they are homeless is because they can&#8217;t get a job because affirmative action is giving all the jobs he could get to minorities.  Which, of course, is pure bunk.  </p>
<p>The purpose of affirmative action in schools is to try to level the playing field.  If you have an inner city school where the school gets $2,000 per student vs. a suburban school where the school gets $5,000 per student, which one do you think is going to provide the better education?  Until such time as an equal education is available to all children in this country, affirmative action will be needed to level the playing field and give the inner city children a chance to compete.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5685896', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Crazy8</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crazy8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter how much Buchanan loves his god.
No matter how much he hates science.
The pendulum is swinging.
If we hang on and take the ride,
we will work ourselves to the middle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter how much Buchanan loves his god.<br />
No matter how much he hates science.<br />
The pendulum is swinging.<br />
If we hang on and take the ride,<br />
we will work ourselves to the middle.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5685889', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bilbo Hussein Baggins</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/12/buchanan-old-bigotry/comment-page-4/#comment-5685886</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilbo Hussein Baggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Bozo The Neoclown Says:
so, pat,
what&#039;s your take on &quot;legacy admissions&quot;? does that fall under the umbrella of affirmative action in your book?&lt;/em&gt;

Good point.  But, I&#039;m betting he would think that legacy admissions were just fine saying that those people earned their right to admission based on what their parents did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Bozo The Neoclown Says:<br />
so, pat,<br />
what&#8217;s your take on &#8220;legacy admissions&#8221;? does that fall under the umbrella of affirmative action in your book?</em></p>
<p>Good point.  But, I&#8217;m betting he would think that legacy admissions were just fine saying that those people earned their right to admission based on what their parents did.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5685886', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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