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ThinkFast: June 12, 2009

By Think Progress on Jun 12th, 2009 at 9:00 am

ThinkFast: June 12, 2009


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The Obama administration has “all but abandoned plans to allow Guantanamo Bay detainees who have been cleared for release to live in the United States.” Though an administration official told the Washington Post that “there may yet be ‘a few’ candidates for settlement in the United States among the dozens of Guantanamo detainees who have been cleared for release.”

The Defense Intelligence Agency reportedly advised against transferring 25 of the 60 Guantanamo Bay detainees deemed eligible for relocation by the Obama administration. Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) claimed that DIA’s concerns show that the White House put political considerations ahead of national security.

Former President Bill Clinton believes that President Obama “has a better chance than he did” to enact health care reform. “He’s got a better Congress, a more receptive climate” and “a better — at least more politically saleable — set of proposals,” said Clinton. “I hope they won’t give up on this public option.”

Health care lobbyists are spending increasing amounts to defeat President Obama’s health care plan. “The five largest private insurers and the trade group America’s Health Insurance Plans spent a total of $6.4 million in the first quarter, an increase of more than $1 million from the same quarter last year.”

As Iranians registered an “unprecedented” turnout in today’s elections, some “believe that the unruly democratic energies unleashed over the past few weeks could affect this country’s politics no matter who wins.” Some Iranians believe that Ayatollah Khamenei “may force Mr. Ahmadinejad to steer a more moderate course if he is re-elected.”

President Obama intervened to save the $105.9 billion war spending bill late last night after a conference committee stalled over the potential release of detainee abuse photos. In a letter to the chairmen of the House and Senate Appropriations Committees, Obama promised “to take every legal administrative remedy available to me to ensure the DoD detainee photographs are not released.”

The Senate voted yesterday to allow the FDA to “impose potentially strict new controls on the making and marketing” of tobacco products. Not surprisingly, among the 17 senators who voted against the bill are the “top recipients of campaign contributions from the tobacco industry,” including Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY), who has raked in $419,025.

Although 55 percent of the American public say they don’t yet know enough about Sonia Sotomayor to have an opinion of her, 54 percent believe the Senate should approve her nomination as Supreme Court justice, according to a new McClatchy-Ipsos poll. Furthermore, a plurality say “they’d feel less favorably toward the Republican Party if Senate Republicans ‘overwhelmingly oppose‘ Sotomayor.”

Paul Krugman writes today that, “[R]ight-wing extremism is being systematically fed by the conservative media and political establishment.” He argues, “Fox News and the RNC…have gone out of their way to provide a platform for conspiracy theories and apocalyptic rhetoric, just as they did the last time a Democrat held the White House.”

And finally: At yesterday’s town hall meeting in Wisconsin, John Corpus stood to ask President Obama a question about health care. However, he also informed Obama that his daughter, Kennedy, was skipping school to be at the event and hopefully wouldn’t get in trouble. “Do you need me to write a note?” Obama said. His note read: “To Kennedy’s teacher: Please excuse Kennedy’s absence. She’s with me. Barack Obama.” Kennedy said that it “was like the best thing ever.”

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83 Responses to “ThinkFast: June 12, 2009”

  1. bonzo 1958 says:

    Although 55 percent of the American public say they don’t yet know enough about Sonia Sotomayor to have an opinion of her, 54 percent believe the Senate should approve her nomination as Supreme Court justice

    It’s no wonder people keep electing the same people over and over even though they spend all their time before the election complaining about their representative.
    They just don’t care.


  2. Mugsy says:

    Ironically, the poor economy and lack of funds may actually hinder the special interests from spending tens of millions to defeat health care reform.


  3. raynman says:

    Paul Krugman writes today that, “[R]ight-wing extremism is being systematically fed by the conservative media and political establishment.” He argues, “Fox News and the RNC…have gone out of their way to provide a platform for conspiracy theories and apocalyptic rhetoric, just as they did the last time a Democrat held the White House.”

    well, duh!


  4. Keith H. says:

    Though an administration official told the Washington Post that “there may yet be ‘a few’ candidates for settlement in the United States among the dozens of Guantanamo detainees who have been cleared for release.”

    I hear george bush has a new place with plenty of room.


  5. Purple State says:

    You totally beat me to the punch, Doc.

    And yet Ms. Cupp completely forgot that Obama warned the media about picking on Palin’s family way back in September.

    Wait, did I say “forgot”? I meant “ignored”.

    Does she want Obama to censor people personally now? You do that, and the tea party protests that the government is withholding their first-amendment rights. Here’s a thought, Ms. Cupp. Blame Letterman for crossing a line.

    S.E. Cupp. Today’s Worst Person in the World.


  6. Zimzone says:

    Well, it looks like the media blackout on H1N1 is over. As WHO declared the virus to be Pandemic, even the CDC is willing to brief the public.

    My layman’s understanding of this virus is it’s 2 parts Swine, 1 part Avian & 1 part human.

    Let’s see…poor Mexicans living with their pigs & chickens couldn’t possibly be an origin, could it? Or the fact the origin appears to be relatively close to a huge American corporate pig farm in Mexico with over 150,000 animals penned up?

    Then we have CA-MRSA, one of the nastiest bacterial strains on record. This should be called ’shopping cart syndrome’, reflecting one of the most contaminated public devices helping spread this disease.

    I found the CDC’s advice on Swine Flu somewhat troubling. They recommend covering your cough with your elbow or arm. That makes sense, but if you’re already symptomatic, you probably already have the disease!

    Some say the human race will succumb to insects. I’ll put my money on virii.


  7. Briseadh na Firefly says:


    Health care lobbyists are spending increasing amounts to defeat President Obama’s health care plan. “The five largest private insurers and the trade group America’s Health Insurance Plans spent a total of $6.4 million in the first quarter, an increase of more than $1 million from the same quarter last year.”

    In other words, part of the high cost of health care is being spent on lobbying against a better health care system.


  8. RUCeriousMaggot! says:

    Health care lobbyists are spending increasing amounts to defeat President Obama’s health care plan. “The five largest private insurers and the trade group America’s Health Insurance Plans spent a total of $6.4 million in the first quarter, an increase of more than $1 million from the same quarter last year.”

    The only way to fight this is to pester the crap out of your congressional reps and senators. Let them know in no uncertain terms that public plan, preferable single payer is YOUR requirement for your vote in the next PRIMARY election.
    Thank you.


  9. livelongandprosper says:

    Zimzone Says:

    Well, it looks like the media blackout on H1N1 is over. As WHO declared the virus to be Pandemic, even the CDC is willing to brief the public.

    My Chinese friends say that in China the H1N1 Pandemic has been front page news for a couple of months. They keep asking “Are you guys ok?”. I’m afraid our headlines will be changing, especially as the fall approaches.


  10. Purple State says:

    Remember, “pandemic” only means that the spread is world-wide. It does not mean it is an emergency. The disease does need constant monitoring, but this is not anything to panic about.

    Of course, my guess is the GOP will see the words “panic” and “Dem” before they see the word “panDEMic“.


  11. RUCeriousMaggot! says:

    I just can’t help but bring up the ‘tumor board’ that recommended I wait 90 days after my initial round of tests for cancer. After half of that waiting period I was going nuts worrying, got a second opinion from a doctor that asked me, ‘Are you nuts?’
    So I decided not to wait, and sure enough it was cancer, but hadn’t begun to spread yet.
    I wonder how much sway the insurance rep on the tumor board had in recommending I wait….


  12. ranus69 says:

    Paul Krugman’s article is correct and indeed disturbing that reich-wingnuts are spewing stupid lies, hate and racism and even inciting violence.

    Cupp probably was paid to say those remarks, wonder much Sinister Hannity paid her or was it a “vitter” deal?


  13. Zimzone says:

    This Letterman-Palin fiasco is getting funnier by the moment.

    Remember when John McCan’t had to slink back onto the show after canceling an appearance?

    Letterman has absolutely nothing to lose here. Palin’s handlers think any publicity is better than none, but this could blow up in their faces.

    Letterman has a captive audience & can pound nightly on this. Scarah is trying to defend the indefensible. Bristol DID get pregnant underage. To have her represent abstinence may have looked good on paper, but it was a really bad idea.

    Go, David!


  14. DNFP says:

    Some say the human race will succumb to insects. I’ll put my money on virii.

    Some say the World will end in fire
    Others say in ice
    From what I’ve tasted of desire
    I hold with those who favor fire
    But if it had to perish twice
    I think I know enough of hate
    To say that for destruction ice
    Is also great
    And would suffice.

    -Fire and Ice, Robert Frost


  15. winddancer says:

    This paragraph below from Krugman’s op-ed in the NYT today is particularly amusing, since the same conspiracy about FEMA and concentration camps was rampant during the Bush administration and even before that. Oliver North was questioned about them during the Senate Iran-Contra hearings during the Reagan administration.

    Exhibit A for the mainstreaming of right-wing extremism is Fox News’s new star, Glenn Beck. Here we have a network where, like it or not, millions of Americans get their news — and it gives daily airtime to a commentator who, among other things, warned viewers that the Federal Emergency Management Agency might be building concentration camps as part of the Obama administration’s “totalitarian” agenda (although he eventually conceded that nothing of the kind was happening).


  16. fletc3her says:

    One goofy thing about all these national debates we’re having is that we the public really don’t need to weigh in on most of them. The Senate’s job is to confirm Sonia Sotomayor. We are not holding a national election and the opinion of everyone but those hundred is irrelevant.

    All the speeches by Republican “leaders”, few of whom seem to hold elected office any more, are grandstanding. If their opinions were going to be afforded weight surely they would be delivered in private rather than with a megaphone hoping a Senator might overhear.


  17. Zimzone says:

    Beck, Limblahblah, Insannity, Coulter, Savage, Cheneys, Barnes, Gibson have all earned enough merit points to gain admission to the secret FEMA camps for terroristic citizens.

    Yes, Glenn, we did build them.

    No, Glenn, they’re not for Progressives.

    Yes, Glenn, you can take your blankie & Teddy Bear with.


  18. Briseadh na Firefly says:

    The Obama administration has “all but abandoned plans to allow Guantanamo Bay detainees who have been cleared for release to live in the United States.”

    Put that down as another win for the Fear and Smear Party.


  19. ralph the wonder locust says:

    Purple State Says:
    Remember, “pandemic” only means that the spread is world-wide. It does not mean it is an emergency. The disease does need constant monitoring, but this is not anything to panic about.

    Of course, my guess is the GOP will see the words “panic” and “Dem” before they see the word “panDEMic”.

    Well, Purple State, you know that in the G-NO-P dialect, in any word that contains “DEM”, the concluding “ic” is silent.


  20. stateofthedivision says:

    Max Baucus can out in favor of a co-op instead of a government operated plan.


  21. Kotia says:

    Briseadh na Firefly,
    yeah it sucks. I was looking forward to more Halal shops.


  22. DNFP says:

    Hate groups riled up, researchers say

    Commentary: Hate crimes terrorize all of us

    My view is that hate crimes deserve special punishment because they don’t just victimize whoever they’re aimed at; they’re intended to send a message, and they terrorize the whole society.

    LINK


  23. deebaser says:

    Zimzone Says:

    Bristol DID get pregnant underage. To have her represent abstinence may have looked good on paper, but it was a really bad idea.

    No, you see Bristol wasn’t AT the game so Letterman was obviously talking about the 14 year old daughter that was never knocked up and isn’t now a public figure. I mean, you can’t put something in a joke that isn’t true!


  24. Kotia says:

    Zimzone,
    They should be put in camps. They are spreading hate and terror.


  25. CageyCretin says:

    fletc3her Says:
    We are not holding a national election and the opinion of everyone but those hundred is irrelevant.

    They are not grandstanding in hopes of we the people altering the outcomes of these issues — they are trying to illicit fear and anger in order to incite more fringe types to commit more acts of heinous violence. They want the crazies in their ‘base’ to, how did Limbaugh phase it several times?… oh, yeah… to “riot”.

    Fear and hate are the only things the modern conservative republicans have as tools, and they are frantically trying to maintain or increase those in every way possible. Fear and hate gave them power with their base, and they just don’t get it that the MAIN contributing factor to their rise to power was not their base (which is only a small portion of the population) but was rather the apathy of the average American to politics. Now that a greater number of Americans are involved in politics they are being marginalized and they just don’t get the “why”, so they resort to the only thing they know. Propoganda is only effective when ALL information going to the targets can be controlled. The internet has remained beyond their reach and comprehension (though there have been efforts to rein it in), and is probably the greatest enemy to political propoganda.


  26. Kotia says:

    deebaser ,
    Republican Women and their daughters are fair game. I support Letterman and I hope he keeps trashing these trailer park losers. There is a double standard and we keep it that way. If you even dare attack a Democratic Woman or her family, we will smash you. We have the power and you don’t loser!


  27. hanshiro the antlion says:

    15. Zimzone Says: This Letterman-Palin fiasco is getting funnier by the moment.

    Sarah Palin picking a fight with Dave Letterman…what could go wrong?

    Seriously, I think the conservatives are throwing outrageous buffoonery at ‘liberals’ like Letterman and Stewart just to see what sticks. After all, they are scared and have no response to crushing satire.

    When the best hairball they can cough up is Dennis-”Cancelled”-Miller, you know they are frustrated and helpless against ‘liberal’ derision.


  28. Kotia says:

    Dr. Hussein Matt,
    I just flagged you back. Whats did I do or say to offend you? Please tell me, you just called me a troll with no evidence. Are you a Chicken Hawk Wing Nut?


  29. DNFP says:

    FlagnFreeze.

    Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars, go directly to jail.


  30. hanshiro the antlion says:

    26.Kotia Says: Zimzone, They should be put in camps. They are spreading hate and terror.

    They made a documentary about one such place: “Jesus Camp.”


  31. pbeeg says:

    “See! Concentration camps for conservatives! They’re already built! Look at the holding pens–and the big buildings here–and here–and here–Proof positive!”
    “All right, Glenn, let’s see whatt you’re talking about…hmmm…hmmmm…”
    “There, you see? Photographic proof!”
    “Ah, I can see where those would startle you, Glenn..”
    “Startle! They do more than startle! Proof of Barack Obama’s evil plans!”
    “Those pictures, Glenn…”
    “Have you ever seen anything like that in your life?”
    “Those are colleges, Glenn…”


  32. Kotia says:

    Dr. Hussein Matt,
    Yopu are just a conservative loser who is mad that us Democrats have the power. Your party will be extinct and we will do everything to destroy your weak GOP.


  33. CageyCretin says:

    I think Letterman was overly generous to the Palins. He should have been much more sarcastic and acidic in his apology.

    Letterman is a comedian.

    And those complaining about Lettermans joke, I presume, were EXTREMELY incensed by all the racist “jokes” and cartoons and web-sites that have come out against the President. Right? …. right?…… hello….. (tap, tap) is this mic on?…….

    And of course, they also understand the difference between Letterman’s joke and the racist “jokes”…. right?….. right?….. (g0ddamnnit, someone get me a new mic)…..


  34. DRxJ says:

    Off Topic 1)
    Helicopters and security abound as V.P. Joe Biden is set to speak less than 5 miles from where I work! Too bad I have an obligated lunch to attend.
    Off Topic 2)
    Dr. Matt, just FYI, police in Detroit may shut down I-75, and other routes leading into the city, if it looks like the Red Wings win.
    Have fun.

    GO WINGS!!!


  35. DRxJ says:

    OH.
    I forgot.
    Hi Twajie!!!


  36. Marie says:

    The United States Chamber of Commerce asked the U.S. Office of Management and Budget on Thursday to allow greater freedom in the spending of stimulus dollars.

    Specifically, the Chamber, traditionally an advocate of big business and Republican economic policies, cautioned that requiring taxpayer dollars to be spent on American goods threatens the loss of billions of dollars.

    Does this mean that taxpayer stimulus funds can be used for off-shore jobs and profit-making?


  37. hanshiro the antlion says:

    37. CageyCretin Says: I think Letterman was overly generous to the Palins. He should have been much more sarcastic and acidic in his apology.

    I think that’s what makes Letterman a master; He was so understated, yet communicated the sarcasm perfectly, and his audience absolutely knew it.

    Derision needn’t drip from every word, yet the effects are obvious: Palin elbowed her way into another whining interview because Letterman was pitch-perfect.

    Give her enough rope…but subtly…subtly…


  38. IgnoranceIsNotBliss says:

    I think Palin herself is the naive one if she really thinks she’ll out best Letterman.


  39. ralph the wonder locust says:

    Isn’t it funny how, even when Twajie pretends to be a liberal, and intentionally crafts his message to make liberals sound foolish, it’s indistinguishable in tone or content from the comments he posts as his true, conservative self?


  40. CageyCretin says:

    hanshiro the antlion Says:

    I think that’s what makes Letterman a master; He was so understated, yet communicated the sarcasm perfectly, and his audience absolutely knew it.

    Fair enough. :)

    I guess in these days of cancervative hyperbole and exaggerated indignation I kind of expected something more vitriolic. Upon reflection, I agree with you. It was done intelligently.


  41. stateofthedivision says:

    Just as the AMA has for-profit health care conflicts, so do most of the Obama reformers. Beware the bait & switch.

    Since words have no meaning anymore, it’s not much of a stretch for

    “public = co-op”

    “co-op = nonprofit shell contracting with for-profit insurance company or for-profit licensing nonprofit franchise (like WellPoint)”

    Trust the AMA, Max Baucus and Kent Conrad as far as you can throw them.

    White House Health Czar Nancy-Ann DeParle has experience converting nonprofit community hospitals into for-profit facilities.


  42. gummble-bee-itch says:

    ralph the wonder locust Says:

    Isn’t it funny how, even when Twajie pretends to be a liberal, and intentionally crafts his message to make liberals sound foolish, it’s indistinguishable in tone or content from the comments he posts as his true, conservative self?

    Honestly, I don’t think he has a “true, conservative self”, ralph. He’s just a mouth-breather. He makes other trolls look good.


  43. SKdeAnt says:

    Trajan is one of the few trolls we have with a distinctive voice, too bad he doesn’t put that talent to use writing fiction – oh wait, he does! Never mind.
    OFnF in effect.


  44. ralph the wonder locust says:

    And wtachpuppy checks in with the daily report from Alternate Reality.

    Thanks, watchpuppy. Good dog.


  45. DNFP says:

    A friend of mine used infant diapers on his dog who had bladder control problems.

    Worked like a charm.

    We used to call him “poompers”.


  46. SKdeAnt says:

    Watchdog says
    Look at what Republicans do for an economy. We are all looking at the future of America.

    fixed it for ya


  47. ralph the wonder locust says:

    from watchpup’s Alternatie Reality Report:

    California nears ‘financial meltdown’

    California’s government risks a financial “meltdown” within 50 days in light of its weakening May revenues

    Look at what wonderful Republican “leadership” can do for an economy. We are all looking at the future of America. If the Cancer called The Party of NO and Conservative Gridlock keep rotting our once great nation.


  48. ralph the wonder locust says:

    DNFP Says:
    A friend of mine used infant diapers on his dog who had bladder control problems.

    Worked like a charm.

    Think about it, watchpup.

    You might be allowed in the house more.


  49. livelongandprosper says:

    RUCeriousMaggot! Says:

    I wonder how much sway the insurance rep on the tumor board had in recommending I wait….

    And the GnOP party says that now the government will be making your health decisions!!!!


  50. ralph the wonder locust says:

    gummble-bee-itch Says:

    Honestly, I don’t think he has a “true, conservative self”, ralph. He’s just a mouth-breather. He makes other trolls look good.

    Much in the same way that lutefish makes haggis look good, presumably.


  51. RUCeriousMaggot! says:

    watchpup must be one of those dogs who slobbers and farts a lot.
    Not much else coming out of his daily dump.


  52. ralph the wonder locust says:

    RUCeriousMaggot! Says:
    watchpup must be one of those dogs who slobbers and farts a lot.
    Not much else coming out of his daily dump.

    I suspect he has worms.

    Whenever a dog rubs his butt on the carpet like watchpup does, it’s a good bet he has worms.


  53. ElBruce says:

    We need to give the Uighurs some green cards, at the very least.


  54. sscncturn64 says:

    Goodmorning all, In the past ive read comments from some regulars here directed at trolls who talk about foxnoises ratings. A few of you pointed out that alot of businesses are tuned into foxnoise, wich falsely bump up their ratings. Yesterday i was at my ENT doctors office. Guess what was on their TV. I was in alot of pain due to post surgery scar tissue,my doctors office subjected me to even more pain. Man i hate foxnoise.


  55. Purple State says:

    sscncturn64 Says:

    Goodmorning all, In the past ive read comments from some regulars here directed at trolls who talk about foxnoises ratings. A few of you pointed out that alot of businesses are tuned into foxnoise, wich falsely bump up their ratings. Yesterday i was at my ENT doctors office. Guess what was on their TV. I was in alot of pain due to post surgery scar tissue,my doctors office subjected me to even more pain. Man i hate foxnoise.

    Funny. I’m so numb to FNC that my doc uses it as anaesthesia.

    I went to Atlantic City this weekend. Both hotels I stayed at had FNC but no MSNBC. Of course, I’ll bet FNC will point out their popularity calls for hotels to shut out MSNBC, but I figure it to be the opposite.


  56. Wayne Ant Schneider says:

    I don’t think Barney Frank was a “slobbering idiot” to walk out of that interview. I think he was absolutely justified. The CNBC guy was being a total dick by trying to defend the status quo and act like shareholders should have nothing to do with how a company is run. What people like that (and the CEOs they defend) forget is that shareholders own the company. The company does not necessarily belong to the guy at the top (unless it was a business he started and in which he retains a majority share.) Too many Fortune 500 executives believe that they are entitled to a life of privilege, that they are better than the rest of us and deserve to be treated better. Even the terrible ones feel this way. They are wrong, and if they have to give up a few of their millions and live like the rest of us, I will not shed a single tear.


  57. Marie says:

    #2 Dr. Matt

    Yet, the rightwingers are falsely aghast that anyone would accuse them of fostering violence against the political opposition. This legitimizes the extremists whose mental state is questionable in the first place – and it diminishes the outrage that reasonable republicans might feel.
    In eight years of various bumper stickers on our cars, we never had one the advocated any violence whatsoever, and in fact, I don’t remember ever even seeing one that did so in all the various sources.


  58. ElBruce says:

    True headline today: Air Force pounds MILF lairs with rockets. Nudge nudge, wink wink.


  59. Rich H says:

    RUCeriousMaggot!

    I wish you the best and that you are well.


  60. joe cantwell says:

    a certain troll

    has been ig’d

    his bp is going

    through the roof.

    nice.

    :)

    keep up the good work tp.

    :)

    :)


  61. Rich H says:

    Palin and Lettermen,

    Dave should put together a top ten list of why Palin should apologize to her daughters and read that on his show. He could include things like women having to pay for their own rape kits, the cutting of womens health care, the refusal to accept bailout funds (causing school cutbacks etc…) or just for being such a poor role model.

    That would be hilarious, and just watch Palins head explode. Her resposes would just propel her to the outer fringe of the republican party, or hopefully to the unemployment line.

    Oh if only he would.


  62. Wayne Ant Schneider says:

    ElBruce,

    I love the quote in that article. It’s sprinkled with just a few words of English.


  63. chiroptera toasterhead says:

    ElBruce Says:

    We need to give the Uighurs some green cards, at the very least.

    June 12th, 2009 at 10:48 am
    _____________

    Seriously. Palau? How the heck are they going to settle in there?

    Bring them to DC. We’ve got a sizeable Turkish community here – they’ll do fine.


  64. singe_101 says:

    Too much troll attention

    The Defense Intelligence Agency reportedly advised against transferring 25 of the 60 Guantanamo Bay detainees deemed eligible for relocation by the Obama administration. Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) claimed that DIA’s concerns show that the White House put political considerations ahead of national security.

    Is Tom Coburn siding with faceless gummint bureaucrats over the Unitary Executive, elected by the people with a Mandate? Is he saying that those with power might make decisions that are harmful to the country?

    Welcome to 2002, sir! Lincoln Chafee left a binder to read.

    He’s like an ironic Paul Wellstone, just without the mind or morals.


  65. ElBruce says:

    chiroptera toasterhead Says:

    Bring them to DC. We’ve got a sizeable Turkish community here – they’ll do fine.

    Putting ‘em in the U.S. could bait the wingnuts into trying to claim that they’re terrorists, after they’ve said they’re not terrorists. Then the wingnuts would find themselves on China’s side of the argument over human rights.


  66. RUCeriousMaggot! says:

    Rich H @#65 ~ Two years post lung cancer lobectomy and fingers still crossed, as are eyes…


  67. chiroptera toasterhead says:

    sscncturn64 Says:

    Goodmorning all, In the past ive read comments from some regulars here directed at trolls who talk about foxnoises ratings. A few of you pointed out that alot of businesses are tuned into foxnoise, wich falsely bump up their ratings.

    June 12th, 2009 at 10:48 am
    ______________

    Sorry, but I don’t believe this is true. Nielsen ratings are measured by surveys and electronic meters that measure the viewing habits of individual households. They don’t install the meters or conduct the surveys in businesses, therefore they’re not going to appear in the ratings. In fact, this is one of the criticisms of the Nielsen system, in that they don’t accurately measure this segment of viewership and thus don’t accurately reflect the number of eyeballs a sponsor might actually reach with an ad.


  68. chiroptera toasterhead says:

    ElBruce Says:

    Then the wingnuts would find themselves on China’s side of the argument over human rights.

    June 12th, 2009 at 11:55 am
    __________

    Well that’s nothing new – they’ve been on that side for years.


  69. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    Briseadh na Firefly Says:
    In other words, part of the high cost of health care is being spent on lobbying against a better health care system.

    Yep, that’s part of their 40% overhead along with obscene executive salaries and advertising campaigns.


  70. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    chiroptera toasterhead Says:
    Sorry, but I don’t believe this is true. Nielsen ratings are measured by surveys and electronic meters that measure the viewing habits of individual households. They don’t install the meters or conduct the surveys in businesses, therefore they’re not going to appear in the ratings.

    On the other hand, the constant bombardment of Fox from tv’s in bars, restaurants, health clubs, etc. creates viewers for Fox. It contributes to their perception that Fox is where they should get their news.


  71. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    Purple State Says:
    I went to Atlantic City this weekend. Both hotels I stayed at had FNC but no MSNBC. Of course, I’ll bet FNC will point out their popularity calls for hotels to shut out MSNBC, but I figure it to be the opposite.

    No, the fact is that FNC pays them to only show Fox. I’m betting if you had asked, they would have told you that they couldn’t change the channel because the feed was from corporate headquarters and all they get is Fox.


  72. Marie says:

    I think we cannot say enough about the omnipresence of FOX TV in all commercial establishments.
    It fosters the perception that they are the go-to channel for the customer/client/patient who occasionally follows the news.


  73. winddancer says:

    ElBruce Says:

    True headline today: Air Force pounds MILF lairs with rockets. Nudge nudge, wink wink.

    ElBRuce – just got back onto the board and saw this comment (late). This was the Phillipine Air Force, not ours.



  74. chiroptera toasterhead says:

    Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:

    On the other hand, the constant bombardment of Fox from tv’s in bars, restaurants, health clubs, etc. creates viewers for Fox. It contributes to their perception that Fox is where they should get their news.

    June 12th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
    ______________

    True, true. That’s a very good point. I don’t doubt that there’s an indirect multiplier effect that does influence viewership and thus sways the ratings.


  75. stateofthedivision says:

    It’s clear that some are out for Fed Chief Ben Bernanke. Are they trying to make room for Larry Summers as Fed Chairman?

    HuffPo has a piece on Obama’s General James L. Jones and long knives out for him. Jones wants to be a one stop security shop for the President. That caused friction. Jones is at risk for his abominable job on Sunday morning political shows. Rahm & Axelrod want people who can deliver the lines.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-clemons/can-national-security-adv_b_214672.html

    The question is who’s behind these battles inside the Obama White House?


  76. chiroptera toasterhead says:

    stateofthedivision Says:

    The question is who’s behind these battles inside the Obama White House?

    June 12th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
    __________

    Wouldn’t that be Obama himself? He did say he wanted opposing voices in the White House…


  77. stateofthedivision says:

    The gay marriage ban brief asks the court to ignore the decision allowing blacks and whites to marry. The Obama brief also mentions incest.

    http://www.americablog.com/2009/06/obama-justice-department-defends-doma.html


  78. stateofthedivision says:

    Chiroptera, opposing voices inside the White House are part of management. I take the President as his word, in this regard.

    That said, the White House doesn’t like to surprise the public. They need to groom the public for major changes. Are the public rumblings regarding Bernanke (whose term expires soon) and Jones part of a managed information campaign? John Podesta may know, but we won’t get an answer on Rush/Cheney/O’Reilly/Steele TP.


  79. stateofthedivision says:

    Another piece on the Obama team’s brief defending a federal ban against gay marriage:

    Obama DOJ lies to Politico in defending hate brief against gays

    http://www.americablog.com/2009/06/obama-doj-lies-to-politico-in-defending.html



  80. stateofthedivision says:

    From Democracy Now:

    New Mountaintop Removal Rules Criticized as Ineffective

    Environmental groups and Appalachian activists are criticizing new Obama administration rules on mountaintop removal as too lax on the coal industry. On Thursday, the White House unveiled new regulations governing mountaintop removal, the controversial coal mining practice that has caused extensive environmental damage in the Appalachian region. The changes include ending fast-track approval for new mining permits, imposing more extensive environmental reviews, and asserting federal authority over state-level regulators. But critics say the rules offer few specifics and will have little effect, if any. Joan Mulhern of Earthjustice said, “The administration is proposing…to essentially [rearrange] the bureaucratic deck chairs on the disastrous ship that is mountaintop removal. They announced…no substantive policies to actually stop the destruction [it’s] caused.”

    http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/12/headlines#15




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