Hatch bristles over criticisms that he’s at fault for problems of the Bush years: ‘Don’t you believe that B.S.’
Hatch bristles over criticisms that he’s at fault for problems of the Bush years: ‘Don’t you believe that B.S.’
Yesterday at Utah’s GOP convention, the state’s two U.S. senators — Orrin Hatch (R) and Bob Bennett (R) received only “polite receptions,” compared to the boisterous applause received by some of the state’s representatives. From the Deseret News:
Hatch, at one point in his speech, appeared upset when some delegates applauded as a way of blaming national Republicans, himself included, for the deficit and other problems of the Bush years.
“Don’t you believe that B.S.,” Hatch said loudly. But some of the 1,800 delegates clearly did.
While many delegates stood and applauded the longtime incumbents (Hatch 33 years, Bennett 15 years), others sat on their hands — not booing, but showing their disapproval through silence.
Many attendees also expressed displeasure with Gov. John Huntsman (R), who has agreed to become President Obama’s ambassador to China. GOP party chair Jude Law said that Huntman’s endorsement of civil unions “mocks God.” (HT: Huffington Post)
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So how does supporting civil unions mock god again? Is it in the same way that gay marriage is a threat to nongay marriage?
June 14th, 2009 at 5:20 pmDoesn’t the Senate have a better dental plan?
June 14th, 2009 at 5:21 pmCould it be that Hatch is blaming the Bush years on the Dems? He such a laugh a minute.
June 14th, 2009 at 5:24 pmGOP party chair Jude Law said that Huntman’s endorsement of civil unions “mocks God.
– - Why, that’s amazing, Mr. Ripley.
June 14th, 2009 at 5:24 pmHatch bristles over criticisms that he’s at fault for problems of the Bush years: ‘Don’t you believe that B.S.’
– - Speaking of B.S., Boehner says you guys really took it in the shorts.
June 14th, 2009 at 5:26 pmGOP party chair Jude Law said that Huntman’s endorsement of civil unions “mocks God.”
Hey Jude, loved your full frontal in “The Talented Mr. Ripley” and your portrayal of a gay hustler in “Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil”! Never would have pegged you as Utah’s GNOP party chair.
PEACE
June 14th, 2009 at 5:31 pmThat’s great that the GOP chair in Utah is so tuned in to what God wants. What does God say about torture? Or executing mentally disabled people? Or making up reasons to go to war? Or fleecing the poor to lavish the spoils on the rich? Probably likes those, huh?
June 14th, 2009 at 5:33 pmYou dont know me but Im your brother
I was raised here in this living hell
You dont know my kind in your world
Fairly soon the time will tell
Takin it in the shorts….
June 14th, 2009 at 5:34 pmWell if Mr. Hatch cares to debate the subject, then how about a commission selected to investigate if the repuglicans were in fact not responsible for the problems caused by 8 years of Bu$h doing his thing without any Congressional oversight. I would really like to see the facts the repuglicans did everything possible to steer the country away from the shoals of despair.
June 14th, 2009 at 5:35 pmHatch the bullshyter bullshyting his own constituents. That’s nothing knew that’s how the GOP pander for votes.
June 14th, 2009 at 5:36 pmYou really gotta love it. I guess this is a reflection of the recent poll that said that 33% of the remaining Republics didn’t approve of the way their party is going. I say to those 33% – leave while you still can with your head held high. Leave and become an Independent.
June 14th, 2009 at 5:38 pmdb, for minute there I thought you were a Romulan?
June 14th, 2009 at 5:38 pmHatch and the Party of NO says…It was Clintons fault. Oh wait, he wasn’t President then. Well its Obamas fault. Oh, thats right he wasn’t President either, Well, its the Dems fault. Oh, thats right we controlled congress for most of those years. Well, its not our fault, so hey! It must be gods, yeah thats it.
June 14th, 2009 at 5:44 pmIt’s amazing how these avid Bushies forget that their support is well documented both in print and video Cheney and spawn are the most delude when it comes to this but Hatch isn’t that far behind.
June 14th, 2009 at 5:45 pmGreat post, except for Jared Law being the actual party chair in Utah.
Ah, the pesky details.
Oh, and the keynote speaker for the Utah GNOP convention? Would you believe Ken Blackwell? Good times, good times.
PEACE
June 14th, 2009 at 5:47 pmAnd clearly the GOP way mocks government – even Utah Republicans are starting to notice
June 14th, 2009 at 5:52 pmOT again, but since there’s no thinkfast on the weekend I’ll put it here.
I have posted before about the Minutemen who killed a Hispanic father and daughter in Arizona. I thought that it being reported on a weekend was kind of suspicious considering the other right wing extremist hate crimes committed recently. Then when I re-read the article at Huffington post I noticed this:
One has to wonder why reporting a crime that happened on May 30 was suppressed for 14 days. So I checked. This crime was committed on the same day that Dr. Tiller was shot. I wonder if the press purposely withheld reporting on this or if it just got pushed out because of the Tiller murder. Either way, it’s another hate crime perpetuated by right wing extremists. When is it going to stop?
June 14th, 2009 at 5:52 pmA question for Mormons:
Does saying “B.S.” have any negative effect on Hatch’s likelihood of ruling his own planet in the afterlife?
June 14th, 2009 at 5:52 pmA democrat filled congress started this mess, and obama is making it worse.
June 14th, 2009 at 5:55 pmHi Jimmy Big Bucks…
June 14th, 2009 at 5:56 pmHave I mentioned recently that you are a pos poser and my current amusement?
Hi Jimmy.
Can you give us your detailed theory on how a “democrat filled congress started this mess”?
What exactly did the “democrat filled congress” do between January 2007 and September 2008 to “start this mess”?
Can you point to any particular legislation passed and signed by President Bush that might have “started this mess”?
Thanks for your prompt reply. As a student of history, I like to know what happened and why. Your answer will help.
June 14th, 2009 at 6:03 pmHey jimmy tough guy, you are a funny guy. I never thought someone could make stupid so funny. Good show guy.
June 14th, 2009 at 6:04 pmCivil unions “mock God”??? It amazes me that these GOP wingnuts believe in God, but also believe they know everything God says, thinks, or believes. How blasphemous these Repubs have become. I suspect God thinks very favorably of the Democrats, since they share Jesus’ beliefs in caring about all races, empathy, helping others, & speaking out against hatred, violence & war. And Democrats don’t pretend to speak for God. Repubs, on the other hand, with their war & hate-mongering, their sexism, their bigotry, their constant lies (daily), their promotion of executions, war, & exclusion of anyone who doesn’t fit their mold— well, I think God must really be questioning how hypocritical right-wingers are about the true meaning of love, peace, & values. They live to promote lies & hatred. How is that what Jesus would want?
June 14th, 2009 at 6:05 pmHell, Jimmy, I’ll settle for knowing how much you get paid per post. $0.25?
June 14th, 2009 at 6:06 pmJimmyCrackWhore vomits his stupidity on our board again.
June 14th, 2009 at 6:06 pmIt’s been slow coming, but the good people of Utah are starting to come around to their senses. The collective mentality has always been very conservative and to follow the lead of their LDS church.
But after eiht years of watching our country be run into a ditch by the very people they voted for and help put into office, the good people of Utah are starting to see they’ve been had.
Good for them. With any luck we might get Utah to go Blue in 2012. One can dream anyway?
June 14th, 2009 at 6:06 pm“Don’t you go and believe the truth for a second!”
“That would be the end of me!”
June 14th, 2009 at 6:07 pmHi ralph
June 14th, 2009 at 6:09 pmAs you know I have no patience for Jimmy’s pretending but I really like you approach. It reminds me of a younger more flexible me…Still I got ten which says you get no response
cheers
Bilbo, did you also read that these “minutemen” were after the man’s drug money and the drugs, that they had a plan to sell the drugs on the street to make money for god only knows what? They didn’t target this family because they wanted to stop drug dealing. Sounds more like they were targeted because they were non-Anglo and had something worth stealing.
Don’t really know why they bothered wearing the police costumes. Showing up in white sheets would have at least been more honest.
PEACE
June 14th, 2009 at 6:14 pmIn related news, hatch tell a town hall gathering in his district that, even if he did lay all the turds that now make it impossible to walk through UT and much of America without getting sh#t on your shoes, he is not responsible for the stench nor piles and piles of poo.
What we need is a leash law for congress.
June 14th, 2009 at 6:17 pmUtah GOP party chair Jared Law says, “Huntman’s endorsement of civil unions mocks God.”
If you want to talk about mocking God then look no farther than Mormonism, the official religion of the State of Utah. Has anyone mentioned the “magic Mormon underwear” that Orin Hatch wears every day?
http://www.mormonoddities.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
June 14th, 2009 at 6:19 pmMore ballast being thrown off the Hindenburg. If the GOP isn’t supporting them, that makes their seats vulnerable. We’ll be more than happy to pick those up too.
June 14th, 2009 at 6:24 pmIt’s a real simple formula. Liberalism is bad. When a liberal man is elected president bad things happen.
June 14th, 2009 at 6:26 pm“Don’t you believe that B.S.,” Hatch said loudly.
That old boy really thinks that even though we lived through every f ucking moment of the Bush years, we won’t remember what happened — or his part in it.
June 14th, 2009 at 6:30 pmYet another reason for term limits
June 14th, 2009 at 6:33 pmdbadass, it looks like I owe you a double finsky.
I understand your lack of patience with Jimmy Bug Balls. he certainly hasn’t earned any. But I like the humiliation he brings upon himself when he’s unable to respond to a politely posed, reasonable question.
June 14th, 2009 at 6:34 pmIts not you, its not the me, its that guy, yonder, hiding behind that tree.
June 14th, 2009 at 6:35 pmdelafield, I try not to mock the religious beliefs of others. Some of my best friends were an implement of torture and death on a gold chain around their necks as a sign of faith.
Having said that, LDS is more out there than most. Magic undies are on par with orthodox Jews and the hole in the bedsheet. Except the bedsheet story is a myth and the Mo’s believe the magic of their undies.
No way the Fundies run to the polls to elect Romney as Prez in 2012, or ever. In FundieLand, Mormons are cult members.
PEACE
June 14th, 2009 at 6:35 pmThere will be many more things that will come to light that happened during the Bush administration. I would like your opinion on “President Obama’s ~ Next 100 Days“
June 14th, 2009 at 6:35 pmHatch seems to be near the end of a long decline. 20 years ago he could still keep it together. Now he is just a mess.
June 14th, 2009 at 6:36 pmwiley Says:
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It’s a real simple formula. Liberalism is bad. When a liberal man is elected president bad things happen.
Truest words ever typed here
June 14th, 2009 at 6:40 pmJimmy Big Bucks:
June 14th, 2009 at 6:44 pmIs it that you can’t answer simple questions posed to you or that you won’t. Either way it makes you look like a pussy. Are you a pussy Jimmy?
When a liberal man is elected president bad things happen. -Wiley
Truest words ever typed here -JBB
Bush was a liberal — Hu Knu?
June 14th, 2009 at 6:44 pmJimmy Big Bore thinks he’s SOOOOO clever!
Here’s a cookie…
June 14th, 2009 at 6:45 pmJimmy Big Bore thinks he’s SOOOOO clever!
Here’s a cookie..
Jimmeh prefers teabaggings =3 O^8]
June 14th, 2009 at 6:47 pmspencers mom Says, “I try not to mock the religious beliefs of others. Some of my best friends were an implement of torture and death on a gold chain around their necks as a sign of faith.”
Have you ever said that to your Christian friends?
June 14th, 2009 at 6:48 pmIn denial.
Refusal to accept responsibility.
No accountability.
Blame others.
When your supposedly favorable audience disses you, it’s a problem you can’t ignore.
June 14th, 2009 at 6:49 pmWhat’s a Republican party chair (Jude law?!?) doing giving opinions on God anyways? I thought they were supposed to be politicians, not theologians. I mean, technically anyway.
Circular firing squad, READY… HAHMS!
June 14th, 2009 at 7:08 pmThe juvenile idiot agrees with the juvenile idiot logic. Shocker.
June 14th, 2009 at 7:27 pmJimmy Dumb F uck Says:
“It’s a real simple formula. Liberalism is bad. When a liberal man is elected president bad things happen.”
sure if you consider economic prosperity and peace bad things, dumbass
June 14th, 2009 at 7:31 pmdelafield Says:
Have you ever said that to your Christian friends?
Do I seem like someone who has a difficulty expressing my opinions?
PEACE
June 14th, 2009 at 7:40 pmXisithrus Says:
Jimmeh prefers teabaggings =3 O^8]
June 14th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Heh. Giving or receiving?
Or is that the same thing…?
June 14th, 2009 at 7:43 pmOf course the voters in Utah will re-elect Hatch rather than vote Dem. How smart can they be?
June 14th, 2009 at 7:47 pmIts a mutual thang between teabaggers (69)
June 14th, 2009 at 7:58 pmThis is from Hatch’s own Web site from May 26th, 2001
Considering how many sources of late have analysed the data and put the lion’s share of the blame for our current economic woes squarely on the shoulders of the GOP tax cuts and voluntary war in Iraq, just what is it that Hatch considers B.S.? He was a top cheerleader for the Bush Bankrupting America Bill….
June 14th, 2009 at 8:01 pmI just thank God every day that George W. Bush kept us safe from January 20, 2001 until September 10, 2001 and then again from September 12, 2001 until January 19, 2009.
June 14th, 2009 at 8:10 pmWingnuts are the people you have always know who cannot accept responsibility for their actions. They can never admit they were wrong. They lie. They delusional idiots.
June 14th, 2009 at 8:22 pmTHE BUTTFARKING LIBS NEVER TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY…
June 14th, 2009 at 9:01 pmHey Jimmy Big Whatever, we take responsibility when we earn it. You and your neoCon pals should try it…
June 14th, 2009 at 9:03 pmSheeit. Jimmy Bug Balls doesn’t even take responsibility to respond to direct questions posed politely, asking him to clarify his earlier barfing points.
June 14th, 2009 at 9:08 pmSays:
I just thank God every day that George W. Bush kept us safe from January 20, 2001 until September 10, 2001 and then again from September 12, 2001 until January 19, 2009
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Hey fletc3her, you left out September 11. Bush didn’t keep us very safe on that day. And by the way, he did put our troops in harms way, with no just cause. George made me feel real safe, sure.
What are you smoking or is it perscription?
June 14th, 2009 at 9:11 pmdang…ya’ll know i have been part of TP for a looong time, so i hope you know i am not trolling….but isnt anyone even gonna *mention* the DOMA brief???!?!
June 14th, 2009 at 9:12 pmI think that was the point fletc3her was making.
June 14th, 2009 at 9:13 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
LIBS NEVER TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY…
We’ll be glad to take full responsibility for fixing your mess.
By the way, your CapsLock is on.
You’re welcome.
June 14th, 2009 at 9:17 pmThe Military Industrial complex is big. The Military Industrial complex is diversified and dispersed throughout the country.
The Military Industrial Complex is not all bad. It makes us safe. It makes money. It provides employment. It fosters innovation.
But what if the Military Industrial Complex needs to kill people to survive? Will it not go ahead and kill people to survive? Of coarse it will, because the MIC is a machine, a corporation, a heartless construct with more power than any person or persons that dwell within it.
So what we have is literally an out of control corporate war machine. I look at the M.I.C. as a colossal Robo-Cop death Bot.
June 14th, 2009 at 9:20 pmJimmy needs a talking to and I am just the guy yo do it. Jimmy is toast…
June 14th, 2009 at 9:22 pmJimmy Broke Butt still spewing nonsense without any facts. Answer RTWL’s questions. Make me a believer – prove what you’re saying is true dumba$$!
I guess Jimmy Broke Butt missed it when Boehner said we took it in the shorts from Bush & Cheney!
The Utah GOP chair James or Jarred Law (whatever his name is) needs to address the issue of dirty old mormon men marrying underage girls! Sexual predators!
June 14th, 2009 at 9:22 pmO.K. The DOMA brief is another example of people getting their underwear in a wad because President Obama isn’t behaving like King George W.
June 14th, 2009 at 9:23 pmralph and fletc3her, excuse please
June 14th, 2009 at 9:24 pmhumbly, flight
No, Jimmy didn’t miss it; Jimmy just thinks “taking it in the shorts” is a good thing.
June 14th, 2009 at 9:39 pmMarie Says:
In denial.
Refusal to accept responsibility.
No accountability.
Blame others.
When your supposedly favorable audience disses you, it’s a problem you can’t ignore.
Oh Marie, can you imagine how desperate the GNOP establishmnet feels right now? I can’t wait until they get the final pieces of their a$$es handed to them in 2010!
June 14th, 2009 at 9:52 pmHow sad that these religious fanatics can only understand their fellow man through supposedly divinely inspired books written hundreds of years ago by some desert mystics they don’t know a damned thing about, but swear by as THE truth. When reality hits them in the face, they deny it. Stupidity, thy name is superstition.
June 14th, 2009 at 9:52 pmJimmy likes big bucks, especially in bathroom stalls.
June 14th, 2009 at 10:00 pmTo profess to be doing God’s will is a form of megalomania. -Joseph Prescott, aphorist (1913-2001)
But when you’re the Masters of the Universe, then a bit of megalomania can be excused.
June 14th, 2009 at 10:02 pmspencers mom says, “Do I seem like someone who has a difficulty expressing my opinions?”
No, you don’t. I apologize for what I wrote.
June 14th, 2009 at 10:10 pmI love how these Repugs have a sudden case of amnesia. NOW they are worried about spending? Jeez.
June 14th, 2009 at 10:14 pmHave any of the current leading lights of the GOP ever taken responsibility for anything? Not recalling, being surprised, and following orders are not acceptable.
June 14th, 2009 at 10:26 pmOops! That should be “not acceptable excuses”.
June 14th, 2009 at 10:27 pmpete@84, Your right. When has a Repug ever accepted responsibility for ANYTHING? I mean, Dear God. From Bush to Limbaugh, they are nothing but enablers. They will blame Gays, Liberals, feminists… anyone but themselves. Even Sarah Palin. Oh, she will blame Letterman, but SHE is the one who pushed her children in the spotlight. Quite frankly, I can’t stand any Repugs anymore.
June 14th, 2009 at 10:42 pmThis is from the same story the HP piece quoted from the Deseret News:
In other words, there was hostility, but between the stern warnings not to boo (like we used to get during basketball games in grammar school) and jiggering the schedule to make sure someone at least nominally popular was put between two imbeciles – like Hatch and Bennett – the event came off with at least the appearance of civility.
Hell, if the GOP could do this in Congress (or Fox Noise), maybe they wouldn’t be so completely reviled outside the borders of Wingnuttia.
June 14th, 2009 at 10:59 pmHatch, at one point in his speech, appeared upset when some delegates applauded as a way of blaming national Republicans, himself included, for the deficit and other problems of the Bush years.
“Don’t you believe that B.S.,” Hatch said loudly.
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Ironic, isn’t it, how much Republicans love to pontificate on the importance of taking “personal responsibility” for one’s actions and accepting the consequences thereof — yet to all appearances, refuse to do so themselves?
These days, whenever a Republican politician is confronted regarding a decision with which he/she was involved that was ethically questionable and/or of dubious benefit, the response inevitably follows a common theme:
“Not me…not my fault…don’t blame me…nothing to do with me…I don’t recall…I never did/said that…I didn’t do anything wrong…nobody could possibly have predicted…it’s all Clinton’s/the Democrats’/the liberal media’s fault…you just don’t love America/don’t support the troops!!”
Even if Hatch could not be said to have contributed directly to the crisis we’re in, he nonetheless inevitably contributed indirectly by doing very little of anything — or at the very least, certainly not doing enough — to rein in the Bush administration. He, like Boehner, may be trying to distance himself from Bush now for the sake of political expediency — but at far as I am aware, he made no effort whatsoever to do so while it counted.
The trouble with attempts to excuse oneself with “do as I say and not as I do”, of course, is that people don’t see any reason why they should do what you tell them they should do when you apparently don’t see it as being crucial or valuable enough to do yourself. I’m not saying that Democrats never do it themselves, mind you — because they do — but then again, they’re not the ones who are always trying to portray themselves as being the party of “family/Christian/ traditional values”, either.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:46 pmThe conservatives think they can hoodwink the voters again. They know that the public will swallow their siren song about small government and tax cuts. They have been doing that song since Reagan and you can be sure that they will be singing that song in 2010. I fear that when the economy has sufficiently recovered, the voters will fall for this shell game again.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:55 pmpage2 – those crooks Bush & Cheney are counting on voters forgetting all about what they’ve done to our country but because of the ‘new media’ things will be different.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:13 amoops pags2 – apologize for the misspelling.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:14 amPage 1…..Obama’s loosin it man….it’s slippin away faster than I thought….the whole world is startin to wobble and if the gyros are not fixed, QUICK, the whole shiteree is gonna fly apart…….why do humans have to keep repeating the same old mistakes day after day time after time???????????????????????
June 15th, 2009 at 12:38 amTerrified of stuff that some shrieking Reichwhiner made up? Yep. It’s a stupid troll.
As for repeating mistakes, I think one would have to ask one of the Reichwhiners who have been doubling down on failure for over forty years.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:57 amWhat’s a Republican party chair (Jude Law?!?) doing giving opinions on God anyways? I thought they were supposed to be politicians, not theologians. I mean, technically anyway. — ElBruce
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Ah, but that’s what’s a lot of Republicans these days are like, dontcha know. Their deep and abiding distrust of academic — which they believe to be a bastion of liberalism — has led them to believe that people can’t possibly be learning much in graduate school that the average layperson couldn’t figure out using simple common sense (despite the fact that common sense isn’t actually all that common). They think that belief and knowledge are one and the same, when they aren’t even really synonymous. People like this think that they’re experts on everything including such diverse subjects as religion and history and climate change, simply because they want these things to be true. They think that faith is more important than facts, so they think that the strength of their beliefs and opinions automatically makes them true — which, of course, means that they must be true for everyone, because they’re convinced that their own experience is the only possible gold standard for what’s good and right and proper and normal.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:59 amHey Slappy…how can you type wearing a straight-jacket?
June 15th, 2009 at 1:03 amHey Slappy, you gotta explain that one…
Goodnight all.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:15 amIts called precession and nutation Slappy.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:17 amwhy do humans have to keep repeating the same old mistakes day after day time after time???????????????????????
Cause history books are often seen as solutions when they arent?
June 15th, 2009 at 1:28 amI got an idea, lets make a republic, based on the Greco/Roman model, call our country exceptional, conquer other lands with our standing armies, have elite rule over us while binge drinking and eating till they puke, all the while pushing the people into poverty.
What could possibly go wrong with that?
June 15th, 2009 at 1:37 amNow, the GOPers need to vote their incumbent, corrupted, hypocritical leaders out of office and find some honest, progressive candidates to vote for.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:47 amkrystalview Says:
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Hey Slappy…how can you type wearing a straight-jacket?
Have you ever had anything original to say?
June 15th, 2009 at 1:51 amcentrist Says:
Have you ever had anything original to say?
Hey cenrist…how can you type wearing a straight-jacket?
June 15th, 2009 at 4:15 amShow me someone who bashes liberals and I’ll show you a degenerate.
June 15th, 2009 at 5:57 amOrrin Hatch’s holy under garments must have been itching him when he said that.
June 15th, 2009 at 6:45 amen son videolar
June 15th, 2009 at 7:19 amen son videolar
How does one go about “mocking God”? If there is a recipe for that, surely it is closely guarded by the Banana Republicans.
Remember: Smokers suck butts!
June 15th, 2009 at 8:09 amgosh, i would *never* refer to anyone else trying to secure their civil rights as “having their panties in a wad”.
June 15th, 2009 at 8:32 amWe need to get something passed that limits the terms of ALL Congressional personnel. There needs to be term limits of 10 years for ALL congressional personnel.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:28 amBeing allowed to be there for ever and ever just give them more time to be paid off by big business and to forget that they are suppose to back THE PEOPLE not the corporations.
Hatch needs to be replaced. He is so entrenched and long in the tooth, that he has long since stopped representing his state. He only represents his party, which is not the same thing.
No one should be allowed to stay that long. It is not supposed to be a lifetime job. After awhile they claim squatters rights for the office. Now of course it will be too late for him to get a real job. He does not remember what it is like to work on the outside of government. He has his SOCIALIST PERKS. The ones the Republicans don’t want us to have. Free health and dental care. A non breakable money back guarantee on his retirement etc. We don’t have that out here, no matter how much time we work. It is all up for grabs as to whether even our pensions survive. These legislators come in as often or as seldom as they like.
He is partially at fault. They all are. They all kept quiet during the rape of the Constitution, the spending and losing of billions for the war, the money stolen by contractors for the war, and the demise of the financial markets. All was quiet on the western front.
And all the noise they now make about EVERY SINGLE THING that Obama does, and I mean everything, they should have made the same when Bush made this mess. Now they find a collective voice they did not have before. Nice try Hatch.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:37 ami see here there is no such thing as a liberal christian. you can’t be a conservative without being a christian. its ludacris on both counts. i belive in GOD. JESUS is my savior. if that makes me crazy or some type of lunatic,oh well so be it.everyone who says LORD,LORD are often misled and off track. the LORD said my sheep hear MY VOICE. now if you hear HIS voice you’ll obey and keep HIS statues. love the LORD GOD with all your heart strenth and mind. this is where the rubber meets the road;love my nieghbor as myself. you can use GOD with fancy words to gain advantage. it always catches up to you. gay marriage homosexuality i belive it to be sin just like lying,adultery,stealing and fornication. do i have the right to not love that person and treat him/her according to JESUS teachings. no i do not. were all hypocrites to so point but are you working to become more like CHRIST. you may never look like JESUS twin. however,you can have a startling resemblence. your actions paint the picture and tell the story. i see our country being torn apart by greed,power,graft and riotous living. its on both sides of the political isle and we as americans share more responsibility than were willing to accept. were all to blame. some more than others. if were going to fix it we have to come together. shouting insults at each other fixes nothing. some civilized conversations would be a terrific start.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:51 amWe need to get something passed that limits the terms of ALL Congressional personnel. There needs to be term limits of 10 years for ALL congressional personnel. Being allowed to be there for ever and ever just give them more time to be paid off by big business and to forget that they are suppose to back THE PEOPLE not the corporations. — LVDragonLady
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I agree completely — however, as much as I hate to say it, I very much doubt that it will ever happen. Congressional term limits would almost certainly have to be established through Constitutional amendment, just as Presidential term limits were. Unfortunately, our Founding Fathers only gave us two official ways of amending the Constitution — and one of those requires a Congressional majority vote! I think we all know the only majority that any bill put before Congress would be likely to receive if it proposed limits on their own powers would be in favor of its defeat. In fact, it might very well trigger one of the few wholly unanimous votes in the entire history of Congress…so that pretty much scotches that possibility.
If my understanding is correct, the second official means through which the Constitution may be amended would be a call for a Constitutional Convention by a two-thirds majority of all state legislatures — that is, two-thirds of all the state legislatures agree that such a Convention should be called. The trouble with this is that since a good many state representatives hope to serve one day in Congress, it seems at least somewhat unlikely that a majority of them would vote in favor of a measure which they have reason to believe is an attempt to limit what they hope will be their future powers! (Neither Congress nor the state legislature should be a lifetime appointment. Unfortunately, the lack of term limits at any level inevitably means that the people supposedly chosen to represent us are politicians first and foremost — meaning, they are easily tempted to focus on whatever they need to do to stay in power rather than what they need to do to serve the people.) Additionally, even if a two-thirds majority vote were achieved and enough American voters agreed to the measure, the fact remains that such a Convention has never been called before. Since our Founding Fathers apparently did not think to give us instructions on exactly how this should be carried out logistically, it seems highly probable that this would provoke a lot of political bickering beforehand — perhaps some of it even deliberate, with the intended aim of stalling the process indefinitely. During that time, if one or more state legislatures were to undergo a power shift in terms of party majority, it does not seem impossible that a new vote could be cast overturning the call for a Convention — which would be enough to send the whole process back to square one if the two-thirds majority hinged on as little as one state.
June 15th, 2009 at 2:23 pmdieselis Says:
June 15th, 2009 at 11:51 am
F uck off.
June 15th, 2009 at 2:26 pmdieselis
There is no such thing as a decent conservative. You cant be a conservative without being a brainwashed moron who posts staggeringly ignorant tripe like you did. You are stupid. You are a punk. You are a poser and you are a liar and a fool. Just STFU and stop embarassing REAL religious people.
June 16th, 2009 at 7:16 amdieselis, I guess since I don’t condone torture, don’t covet my neighbor’s wife and belongings, don’t screw the poor, don’t attack others who have done nothing to me, don’t condone murder, and don’t ostracize others because they don’t believe in my ‘god’ then no, I am not your type of ‘christian’ and thank ‘god’ for that. If you do truly love Jesus as you profess, you should be ashamed of yourself. You used the word hypocrite. You should know the definition because you fit it. Try reading Matthew as you have obviously no clue as to who Jesus was. Jesus was a LIBERAL.
And just for you information, I am an atheist and I would be willing to bet I know a HELL of a lot more about scripture than you do.
June 16th, 2009 at 11:20 am