Kyl: Who cares if Europe doesn’t like Guantanamo, they didn’t like when we invaded Iraq either.
Kyl: Who cares if Europe doesn’t like Guantanamo, they didn’t like when we invaded Iraq either.
On CSPAN’s Newsmakers today, Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) attacked President Obama’s efforts to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay. “The real question is why do it and the only answer is, ‘well, it’s a symbol,’” said Kyl, adding that “the terrorists don’t need Guantanamo to figure out that they don’t like the United States.” When the host noted that Guantanamo “has been an issue in Europe, among leaders, our allies,” Kyl replied, “big deal.” “They didn’t like the fact that we invaded Iraq and replaced Saddam Hussein either.” Watch it:
Considering that the decision to invade Iraq ultimately “made the American people less secure,” Kyl shouldn’t be so dismissive of those who said from the start that it was a mistake. Likewise with Guantanamo Bay. Kyl dismisses the negative symbolic power of Guantanamo, but as the Center for Strategic & International Studies concluded in September 2008, “the United States has been damaged by Guantánamo beyond any immediate security benefits. Our enemies have achieved a propaganda windfall that enables recruitment to violence, while our friends have found it more difficult to cooperate with us.”
Transcript:
KYL: So, the real question is why do it. And the only answer is, “well, it’s a symbol.” A symbol of what? The terrorists don’t need Guantanamo to figure out that they don’t like the United States. Guantanamo didn’t even exist before 9/11 and yet you had the attack on the Cole, the Khobar towers, the African embassy bombings, the first World Trade Center, the 9/11. Terrorists have all kinds of reasons why they don’t like the United States. And if we’re going to, every time that they say something’s a recruiting tool, say “then we’ll stop doing that,” are we going to, you know, stop having voting in this country? The culture that we have? Are we going to take away women’s rights? These Islamists don’t like those things about us. So, are we going to change our way of life to take away a recruiting tool for them? I think not.HOST: But it has been an issue in Europe, among leaders, our allies. They’ve pointed to that as something…
KYL: Big deal. You know, the fact that some European leader — first of all, they didn’t like the fact that we invaded Iraq and replaced Saddam Hussein either. But we decided it was our best interest to do that. So we did. And I don’t think we have to, just because somebody over in Frances says, “oh we think its a bad thing that you have that prison in Guantanamo.” You know, my answer is ok, fine, what would you do with them? France is willing to take one prisoner.
Topic Cloud
ArchivesBlog Roll
John Kyl and his response is the clip (combined with 8 years of neocon rule in the U.S.) is the PERFECT example of why conservatives in this country should not be responsible for foreign policy.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:27 pmThat man is simply too stupid to live.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:28 pm“But we decided it was our best interest to do that. ”
Watta mean “we”?
June 14th, 2009 at 12:31 pmI really do wish some pundit would ask Kyl or one of his cohorts if they really do support holding the detainees without charge at Guantanamo forever. Then ask them how they can justify holding people who have been deemed not guilty, or not involved in terrorism, forever.
Guantanamo is a disgrace and every day it is open it hurts our image with our neighbors. It is a stain on our country that President Obama is trying to remove. It is also a huge mess that is going to take some time to clean up.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:32 pmen son videolar
June 14th, 2009 at 12:33 pmen son videolar
“On CSPAN’s Newsmakers today, Sen. Jon Kyl…”
Since when is Senator Kyl a ‘newsmaker’?
June 14th, 2009 at 12:35 pmKyl proves that mental midgets CAN get elected to the Senate.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:35 pmKyl has a whopping case of terminal st-o-o-o-o-o-pid.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:35 pmWho are these wingnuts and how the hell did they get into these positions? Every (R) should be eliminated so we can get our country back.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:36 pm#
Art Says:
Watta mean “we”?
He meant himself and the mouse in his underwear.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:36 pmBut we decided it was our best interest to do that.
No Kyl, WE did not decide to do it. The Bush Crime Family with the help of the Republics decided to do it. We the people think that invading Iraq was a mistake.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:37 pmKYL: Big deal. You know, the fact that some European leader — first of all, they didn’t like the fact that we invaded Iraq and replaced Saddam Hussein either. But we decided it was our best interest to do that. So we did.
Based upon what , nitwit ?
Phony/cherry picked intel ?
BTW
How has that whole IRAQ invasion thingy worked out ?
June 14th, 2009 at 12:43 pmThey walk among us.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:44 pmKYL = IDIOT!
Thy Arrogance knows no bounds…oh you’re a republican,,,(church lady) Never mind…
June 14th, 2009 at 12:50 pmKYL: “So, the real question is why do it. And the only answer is, “well, it’s a symbol.” A symbol of what?”
It’s a symbol of human rights abuses perpetrated by the U.S. government. It’s a symbol of just how evil the Bush/Cheney cabal was. And it’s a symbol of how conservatives might rule this country should they regain power.
Screw you, Kyl.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:52 pmWhen the host noted that Guantanamo “has been an issue in Europe, among leaders, our allies,” Kyl replied, “big deal.” “They didn’t like the fact that we invaded Iraq and replaced Saddam Hussein either.”
***********************************************************
What Senator Kyl — in his short-sighted and willful ignorance — apparently fails to realize is that this country does not exist in a vacuum. If we continue to insist upon doing whatever we please whenever we please, including disregard for the rule of law and defiance of treaty, with no apparent regard for how anyone else in the world (including our allies) feels about it…we may find that there comes a day when we no longer have any willing allies, because the rest of the world will look upon us in the same way that the ancient peoples used to look upon Rome.
If this country truly believes in the principle of freedom, we have to grant other countries the freedom to choose whether or not to ally themselves (or to continue allying themselves) with us depending on whether or not it suits their purposes to do so. To do otherwise by demanding their allegiance or by threatening to retaliate or punish them in some way should they choose to show their allegiance in some other way than we wish — which, truth be told, Bush both did and threatened to do during the War In Iraq — would be to treat our allies as slaves instead of free nations in their own right and to make ourselves that little bit more like ancient Rome, which in almost every important respect was the complete antithesis of what our Founding Fathers intended this country to be.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:53 pmConservatives and even some mentally fatiqued Dems favor the policy in foreign relations called American Exceptionalism. With such uninspiring and ignorant people like Kyl explaining and defining it, as we see in this example, maybe it should be renamed American Unexceptionalism.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:55 pmto republicans legality is meaningless
June 14th, 2009 at 12:57 pmI think Sen Kyl is taking this idea of “American Exceptionalism” to its logical extremes, and proving why its a flawed concept. We are not right in every thing we do just because we’re the ones doing it. We were wrong to invade Iraq.
The invasion of Iraq has been denounced by good people all over the world, not just in Europe, and for good reason. It was illegal. It was immoral. It was completely unjustified. There were no WMD. There was no nuclear program. They did not have suitcase nukes ready to hand off to the terrorists (like they told former Rep Dick Armey). Every reason they gave for the invasion that was a justification for war turned out not to be true. Every reason they gave for the invasion that turned out to be true was not a justification for war.
To continue to support the idea that the Iraq war was in any way justified is to prove that you are either dishonest or incredibly stupid. Which one are you, Sen Kyl?
June 14th, 2009 at 12:58 pmEuropeans hate us, who cares they are jealous socialists. Their countries suck.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:59 pmAIO says: He meant himself and the mouse in his underwear.
That’s Mr. Mouse to you. Mr. Mouse is a highly paid GOP strategist.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:02 pmTheir countries suck
June 14th, 2009 at 1:05 pm— You are a fake. I can shit all upon you and you won’t do anything. You are the one that sucks… Everyone knows you are just posing. Thing is I have no patience for it…
Jimmy Big Bucks, please answer this question:
Are you trying to start a civil war? Yes or NO.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:06 pmJane E. Schneider Says:
——————————————————————————–
Jimmy Big Bucks, please answer this question:
Are you trying to start a civil war? Yes or NO.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Because his hick ancestors didn’t get their redneck rube asses beat in enough the 1st time ?
June 14th, 2009 at 1:10 pmNo I am not, but I do feel like there will be a 2nd civil war very soon.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:11 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
——————————————————————————–
No I am not, but I do feel like there will be a 2nd civil war very soon.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
You and your rube brethren looking for another ass-whooping , I see………
June 14th, 2009 at 1:13 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Europeans hate us, who cares they are jealous socialists. Their countries suck.
Americans wholeheartedly agree, that’s why you and Kyl are powerless and out on the pavement.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:13 pmThe terrorists don’t need Guantanamo to figure out that they don’t like the United States.
They do to convince others to support them. The only way to eliminate terrorism within a given population is to turn their own population against the terrorists. That means stopping being as bad as the terrorists.
.
Big deal. You know, the fact that some European leader — first of all, they didn’t like the fact that we invaded Iraq and replaced Saddam Hussein either.
As it turns out, that was a completely retarded thing to do. If someone keeps telling you not to do stupid shit, maybe you should start listening to them.
.
Jane E. Schneider Says:
Since when is Senator Kyl a ‘newsmaker’?
As long as he keeps holding elected office. Something should probably be done about that.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:13 pmKyl is an idiot and an embarassment to all of us who happen to live in Arizona. Even more unsettling is the fact that he’s not even the most right-wing politician we have in this state. Since Janet Napolitano resigned as governor to head DHS, the republican machine has taken complete control of state government. The wingnuts in the Dixie South look at Arizona with envy and only wish they could institute some of the policies and laws that are on the books out here. If you want to know what elected fascism is all about, you have only to look at Maricopa County (Phoenix) and it’s Obersturmbanfuhrer, Sheriff Joe Arpaio.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:14 pmHey McMetal, us republicans WON the civil war. Abe was a REPUBLICAN.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:15 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
No I am not, but I do feel like there will be a 2nd civil war very soon.
You’re holding down the domestic fort while Dick makes foreign contacts for another attack. You prove that Obama wrong!
June 14th, 2009 at 1:17 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
No I am not, but I do feel like there will be a 2nd civil war very soon.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Would you do anything to stop a 2nd civil war, or would you join the rebellion?
June 14th, 2009 at 1:18 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Abe was a REPUBLICAN.
Abe would be Ted Kennedy in your little world.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:19 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Hey McMetal, us republicans WON the civil war. Abe was a REPUBLICAN.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:21 pmHey Jimmy, today it’s the republicans who want to secede. Feeling lucky?? LOL
Jimmy Big Bucks Says:
——————————————————————————–
Hey McMetal, us republicans WON the civil war. Abe was a REPUBLICAN.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
The NORTH won the Civil War against the South ; Lincoln never saw the battlefield.
BTW
Point out all the “prominent” Northern Republicans there are today , tool………
June 14th, 2009 at 1:21 pmNot just Europeans, Jimbo, we Aussies think Guantanmo is a
June 14th, 2009 at 1:21 pmdisgrace as well.
Jimmy Big Bucks Says:
Hey McMetal, us republicans WON the civil war. Abe was a REPUBLICAN.
Seriously, dude, if you think that argument has any validity whatsoever, you are too ignorant to be posting on political blogs. If Abe Lincoln were around today, he would find the Republican Party a very unwelcome place. Obviously you do not understand the ideological shift in the two major parties over the last 145 years.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:21 pmJimmy:
You are no more a republican than I am, you’re a crypto-fascist and a devoted follower of Ron Paul.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:21 pmContinuing US imperial aggression in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq is criminal. It is counterproductive. We are the world’s biggest terrorists of the 21st century. We have been imperially intervening in the Middle East since 1921, when we split up Iraq’s vast oil reserves with the British, the French and the Dutch.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:21 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Hey McMetal, us republicans WON the civil war. Abe was a REPUBLICAN.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
OMG, you are soooo desperate!
June 14th, 2009 at 1:21 pm“American Exceptionalism” as used by the Neo-Con right has been perverted to mean that anything we do is righteous and good.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:22 pmIn Iraq it’s come to mean that we are stuck there alone EXCEPT the rest of the world.
Jimmy BB sounds like a budding insurgent.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:23 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Europeans hate us, who cares they are jealous socialists. Their countries suck.
yeah unless you’re a fan of education… or healthcare
both of which we have just about the worst of the developed world?
have you no pride in our country’s ability to provide for the well being and education of its own citizens?
the european countries “that suck” could teach us a thing or two about taking care of their citizens
oh yeah… they also don’t incarcerate people troubled by drug addiction in favor of helping them.
and they don’t have the overwhelming prison populations that we have in our country… we lock up a higher percentage of our own population than any nation in the world, this keeps our un-employment numbers looking better than they really are.. (they aren’t unemployed their in prison) so although our unemployment numbers are better then many a european nation…. are they really?
its pretty asinine to say that “european nations suck” i would imagine that jimmy big bucks has never left our country.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:23 pmJane E. Schneider Says:
——————————————————————————–
Jimmy Big Bucks Says:
Hey McMetal, us republicans WON the civil war. Abe was a REPUBLICAN.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
OMG, you are soooo desperate!
June 14th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Amazing , isn’t it ?
That they have to go back well over a century ago , to find the last Republican president’s success……
June 14th, 2009 at 1:24 pmMy mother warned me that if I jumped off the roof, I’d break my leg.
But what does she know? She also said that if I ate the potato salad that had been sitting in the hot sun al day, I’d get sick. But I only puked for about an hour, and then I was fine.
I see little difference between these Republicans and the belief system of a 12 year old.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:24 pmHey McMetal, us republicans WON the civil war. Abe was a REPUBLICAN.
dear jimmy big bucks, in those days the republican party was the liberal party as it had yet to be hijacked by the religious extremists
your knowledge of your own country’s history is sad.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:24 pmOT, McMetal, are you watching the game? ;)
June 14th, 2009 at 1:29 pmJane E. Schneider Says:
——————————————————————————–
OT, McMetal, are you watching the game? ;)
June 14th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Mutts/Yankees ?
Of course………
June 14th, 2009 at 1:30 pmEurope may not have agreed with the invasion, but they supported us nonetheless. Spain, Britain, and Italy all sent troops. However, if we thumb our nose at the rest of the world, we cannot expect that same level of assistance in the future. Especially with republicans wanting to attack Iran, North Korean, Cuba, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and just about every other country out there.
As for Gitmo, I don’t remember the right-wing freaking out when Bush released over 500 detainees. But for Obama to transfer less than half that amount they have to scream.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:31 pmMorbid xenophobia is at the heart of all conservatism–another reason to keep these people as far away from the halls of government as possible.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:31 pmAbe Lincoln was NOT a Republic when the Civil War ended.
That’s also how we got the Bush’s competition for bottom of the barrel — Andrew Johnson.
Also, as a side note — check out the Republics in the late 1800’s — they were the party that was more sensitive to women’s issues. Not the same party, is it?
June 14th, 2009 at 1:32 pmRWeSafer Says:
——————————————————————————–
Also, as a side note — check out the Republics in the late 1800’s — they were the party that was more sensitive to women’s issues. Not the same party, is it?
June 14th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Not unless you consider wanting women to be nothing other than Stepford wives as being “sensitive”……
June 14th, 2009 at 1:34 pmGO ROBBY CANO!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pmMCMetal Says:
Mutts/Yankees ?
I should have known. I’m waiting to see exactly how the Mets plan to lose this one. ;) Hey, Brian Williams is there with Mayor Bloomberg.
Sorry about the OT, I’m going to go watch the game in the living room now. See y’all later.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:37 pmMCM–OT–check out the lit on Lucretia Garfield (e.g)…
Lots of other issues to complain about — they never seriously pushed suffrage, treated Asian immigrants like crap, etc. I am not apologizing for the pubs — just saying the party changed dramatically — w/out any acknowledgment of the fact.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:37 pmThe junior senator from arizona along with his ass-shadow Cornyn don’t give a hoot about anything they didn’t think up…Kyl has been a blow-hard for years and since his influence has waned without interruption he’s getting more like a commentator than a politician…
Late last week he threatened the Sotomayor hearings with a boycott.. the dems said – fine, and swatted him away. Kyl is the epitome of a silver-spoon trust fund baby and it’s really starting to show…
June 14th, 2009 at 1:38 pmOkay, one more OT comment:
GO ROBBY CANO!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO SANTANA!!!! :D
June 14th, 2009 at 1:39 pmRWeSafer Says:
——————————————————————————–
MCM–OT–check out the lit on Lucretia Garfield (e.g)…
Lots of other issues to complain about — they never seriously pushed suffrage, treated Asian immigrants like crap, etc. I am not apologizing for the pubs — just saying the party changed dramatically — w/out any acknowledgment of the fact.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
When’s the last time there was a decent GOP president ?
Eisenhower ………?
That’s pretty bad……..
June 14th, 2009 at 1:42 pmMore interesting to me would be to nail down the timeline of when the party changed — and why…
It must start with the scandals of the late 1800’s (eg., credit mobilier, James Blaine in particular) — power and corruption, of course.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:46 pmKyl is just another Republican cowboy who thinks we can do whatever we want in foreign policy without regard to the rest of the world. Good grief, we had that with Bush and that didn’t turn out so well. I think he is just one of many Republicans who fear Obama’s popularity will bury the Republican party.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:50 pmDear Mr. Kyl,
The most dangerous terrorists in the world today are hate mongers and war mongers like you, Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, William Kristol, Joe Lieberman, Dick Cheney, etc…
And your “Propaganda Minister” is Rupert Murdoch.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:51 pmShorter Jimmeh: Nuke Europe!
June 14th, 2009 at 1:53 pmShorter Jimmeh: Nuke Europe!
June 14th, 2009 at 1:54 pmShorter Kyl: We are the leaders of the free world..screw em.
June 14th, 2009 at 2:11 pmI love it. Kyl admits that no one on the planet likes the American Taliban’s decisions.
June 14th, 2009 at 2:11 pmThe Mets/Yankees are on now?
June 14th, 2009 at 2:18 pmDamn, I was hoping that it was the ESPN Sunday nighter.
I apologize for going off topic, but I just wanted to thank JimmyBB and all the TP trolls. The way you stubbornly slurp up every lie and bit of propaganda the wingers feed you and spit it back out at every opportunity has changed me from an interested but mostly passive liberal to a full-fledged activist.
June 14th, 2009 at 2:25 pmThis week, I am participating in training to become a family planning clinic escort. I was responsible for a local bookstore removing a window display of Glen Beck books (before you pounce, trolls, I didn’t ask them to take the books off the shelf but just remove them from a place of prominence). And I had Fox News removed from the tvs at several local restaurants.
This stuff doesn’t mean much in isolation, but there are other people like me out there. Your anger, bigotry, ignorance, and blind hate is bringing us together and driving us to positive, constructive action. So thank you.
Again, sorry to go off topic.
McMetal #60
Remember it was Eisenhower that approved Operation Ajax that overthrew the Iranian government in 1953. For that reason I think you have to look farther back for a good Republican President.
My vote would be Theodore Roosevelt, who today would be a liberal Democrat.
June 14th, 2009 at 2:30 pmSpeaking as a FORMER (thank all gods) resident of Arizona, suffice to say I spent decades watching the clash, there, between the reasonable and progressive — i.e. and e.g. Bruce Babbitt, Janet Napolitano, and Raul Grijalva — and the embedded wingnuttery best represented by McCain, Kyl, and J.D.Hayworth (to name but three diseases in the conservative plague which currently infects the state — the first two as senators, the latter a former congressman now turned nutcase local talk radio host).
In re Kyl: I have no clue as to why it is than anyone of sound mind would ever (a) listen to a word he says, (b) waste their time interviewing him, (c) vote for him, or (d)even acknowledge his putrid existence.
Still, here he is. Again. In full view. Why?
June 14th, 2009 at 2:37 pmKyl was a 100% cheney/bush supporter so we automatically know he’s going to toe the party line. These fools have effectively destroyed America as an international force for good and he’s proud of it. Their plan to bomb and threaten the world into submission failed, and they have no fall back position except to keep yelling that what the world thinks of us simply doesn’t matter. Americans are slowly figuring out that the repubs do not have solutions that will improve life for the average American.
June 14th, 2009 at 2:43 pmJimmyCrackWhore. Why havent you killed yourself yet? Do your wife/sister a solid. She works hard and wears those knees out at truckstops working for pocketchange give her a reason to live. Go kill yourself.
June 14th, 2009 at 2:57 pmAIO Says:
The Mets/Yankees are on now?
Damn, I was hoping that it was the ESPN Sunday nighter.
June 14th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
According to the ESPN schedule, it’s Cards vs Indians tonight.
McMetal, I concede, give up, cry uncle, surrender! :(
June 14th, 2009 at 3:23 pmjoeyramonesmom Says:
Good for you! America needs citizens like you, people who care about what lies are being put forth in defense of the indefensible. Good luck with the escort training. I think that’s wonderful.
BTW, since there is no ThinkFast threads on weekends (where you can post about anything), it’s okay to post great news like yours the way you did. Eventually, TP will get the hint and throw up a weekend Open Post thread. But, hey, they eventually paid attention to our comments and put in the Preview Panel, which only took a couple of years. Maybe they won’t take so long to start putting up weekend Open Threads. (They can call them “ThinkWeekend”.)
June 14th, 2009 at 3:27 pmKyl: Who cares if Europe doesn’t like Guantanamo, they didn’t like when we invaded Iraq either.
Kyl is like an inconsiderate slob who hasn’t bathed for a month, then walks into a room filled with thousands of people, and then begins to belch and fart until it’s nearly impossible to breathe in the room. And when people begin to complain about his behaviour, he turns to them and says, “Who cares what you think”.
June 14th, 2009 at 3:31 pm“Terrorists have all kinds of reasons why they don’t like the United States.”
I could have sworn Kyl was referring to the GOP and the Christian Fundamentalist Terrorist movement (CFT) here in America?
“And if we’re going to, every time that they say something’s a recruiting tool, say “then we’ll stop doing that,” are we going to, you know, stop having voting in this country?”
Fixed News, Rush and O’Reilly et al are the current GOP “recruiting tools”?
“The culture that we have? Are we going to take away women’s rights?”
KKKyl has not heard of Pro-Choice?
“These (using McCainish terms here-remember “you people”) Islamists don’t like those things about us.”
I pray that KKKyl never advises on any foreign policy issues and for that matter the GOP shouldn’t either?
“So, are we going to change our way of life to take away a recruiting tool for them? I think not.”
This is why gun sales are up in red states”
KKKyl is HAZMAT and should be quarantine to a mental facility along with the rest of his soon-to-be extinct party of “No and Dummies.”
June 14th, 2009 at 3:43 pmHi Wayne! I’m hoping for an “ignore” feature next. It would be so lovely to build that ignore list! Hope you and Jane are enjoying your day!
PEACE
June 14th, 2009 at 3:52 pmKyl is to “Big Deal” as Cheney is to “So?”
PEACE
June 14th, 2009 at 3:56 pmThanks, spencers mom. We were until the Mets started having a meltdown. As long as the Red Sox win tonight, it won’t be so bad. Have a good one. :)
June 14th, 2009 at 4:02 pmWinning Friends and Influencing People the Kyl Way, sure to be on the 80% off clearance table soon at your local bookstore. Where every rightwing title seems to end up….
June 14th, 2009 at 4:34 pmjoeyramonesmom
IMO, you can go off topic like that any time!!
June 14th, 2009 at 4:40 pmBesides, as Wayne noted above, the limited number of weekend threads often become “open” for any subject.
“Who cares if Europe doesn’t like Guantanamo, they didn’t like it when we invaded Iraq?” What a STUPID think to say. We invaded Iraq based on LIES and it has completely screwed up our country financially. Guantanamo is screwing up our country in terms of international reputation. If you don’t think it’s important to have moral authority in the world, Sen. Kyl, then, sure, thumb your nose at Europe, which has been our ally for decades (not a very friendly gesture). But if you want to be No. 1, then act like a country that IS No. 1 because it cares about the rule of law. We have been acting like a stupid maverick of a country for far too long. Talk about Ugly America.
June 14th, 2009 at 4:50 pmPostscript to Guido the Benevolent Torturer: thanks for throwing your weight around and getting your local restaurant to turn off Faux News. I started boycotting the local copy place that had Faux on constantly; I am pleased to report it closed awhile back (yippee!).
Is it just me or does Jimmy Big Butt sound like a four year yelling insults at his peers because no one wants to play with him?
June 14th, 2009 at 4:50 pmjoeyramonesmom Says:
I apologize for going off topic, but I just wanted to thank JimmyBB and all the TP trolls. The way you stubbornly slurp up every lie and bit of propaganda the wingers feed you and spit it back out at every opportunity has changed me from an interested but mostly passive liberal to a full-fledged activist.
And I had Fox News removed from the tvs at several local restaurants.
Welcome to our community of activists! As far as Fox on TV, I encourage everyone to speak up when you are somewhere out there and Fox is on the TV ask them to turn the channel. You will probably be told they can’t (most chains have live feeds from corporate headquarters) and in that case ask them to turn it off. I did this the other night at a local restaurant/pub. There weren’t many people in there and no one was watching the TV. I asked them to turn it to another station or turn it off. They turned it off. One wait person thanked me for asking them to do it. She said that the boss wants the TV turned to Fox but if they are asked, and no one objects, they were instructed to do what the patron wants (turn it off or turn the station). She told me that she gets so sick of hearing the yammering from Fox, she has been tempted to quit because of it.
We can make a difference if we speak up. We may not have the cajones to march in the street like the people in Iran, but that doesn’t mean we can’t speak up in public and let our opinions be known.
June 14th, 2009 at 4:57 pmcalavzma Says:
its pretty asinine to say that “european nations suck” i would imagine that jimmy big bucks has never left our country.
I’m betting he has never even left his state. I’m also betting he is somewhere around 12 years old and is being home schooled.
June 14th, 2009 at 5:03 pmJimmy isn’t a real person.Jimmy is a characature played by a real person who is a pussy and a poser…
June 14th, 2009 at 5:06 pmA new drinking game: How many “non sequiturs”, misdirections and downright lies and obfuscations can you count in that little excerpt? Take a swig each time.
Guaranteed to make you drunk by the 30 second mark!
June 14th, 2009 at 5:30 pmOh, and senator, why should the French take any of Guantanamo prisoners? They warned the US of invading Iraq, of setting up Guantanamo… Doesn’t the US bear responsibility of establishing the guilt of its prisoners in the “war” on terror? Are you saying that if they are convicted in a court of law, their sentence should be carried out in foreign countries?
Senator, you’re not making any sense. If this is your level of competency, you should resign. And if you’re playing politics with this matter… you should also resign and hang your head in shame!
June 14th, 2009 at 5:36 pmYou know, the fact that some European leader — first of all, they didn’t like the fact that we invaded Iraq
Kyl you IDIOT they were right about that TOO.
June 14th, 2009 at 5:57 pmThat’s a pretty pricey, legal clusterphuck of a symbol. But it’s not a “symbol”—it’s one of the many symptoms of the mess made and left by a lawless administration. If he wants to keep that as a “symbol” it is only because the Republican party apparently has a death wish.
June 14th, 2009 at 6:48 pmKyl may not care what Europe thinks but I believe that they were right on Iraq and they are right on Guantanamo. Besides does anyone really care what this clown thinks or the GOP in general. They won’t admit any wrong doing over the last 8 years and they still believe that they are in power.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:49 pmThis clown is so f**kin’ stupid he probably has an aide whose sole responsibility is to follow him around all day and say, “breathe in, breathe out.”
June 15th, 2009 at 12:34 amCole Sear: I see stupid people.
Malcolm Crowe: In your dreams?
[Cole shakes his head no]
Malcolm Crowe: While you’re awake?
[Cole nods]
Malcolm Crowe: stupid people like, in Washington? On TV?
Cole Sear: Walking around like regular people. They don’t see people different than them. They only see what they want to see. They don’t know they’re stupid.
Malcolm Crowe: How often do you see them?
Cole Sear: All the time. They’re everywhere. All over the south and the wid west, and cable TV. They all have (R) before their names.
June 15th, 2009 at 10:48 amAnother example of idiocy demonstrated by supposed leaders in our country. Even after 6 yrs of daily reminders that the invasion and occupation of a foreign country was the biggest strategic blunder in our history. These morons continue to brag about it. Arizona should be proud.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:13 am