The Right Wing Claims Ahmadinejad’s Reelection Was A Fraud, But Obama’s Responsible For It Anyway
The Right Wing Claims Ahmadinejad’s Reelection Was A Fraud, But Obama’s Responsible For It Anyway
On Friday, the Iranian government announced that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad won the presidential election, though observers, including his main challenger, cited irregularities — like text messaging being shut off and websites being dismantled — to call the results a fraud. But neoconservatives Richard Perle and Frank Gaffney blamed the election results on President Obama:
Richard Perle, a neoconservative and former Pentagon adviser, said Obama must share the blame for Ahmadinejad’s power grab. “Normally, when you unclench your fist it benefits the hardliners, because Obama appeared to be saying we can do business with you even with your present policies.” [...]
“It underscores the folly of the president’s basic premise that the problem we have with bad actors around the world is that they don’t understand us,” said Frank Gaffney, of the Center for Security Policy, a conservative think tank. “These people are thugs and they have been emboldened by our weakness.”
Similarly, this morning on ABC’s “This Week,” Mitt Romney insisted that the Iranian election result was a fraud — but also appeared to suggest that it was Obama’s fault that Ahmadinejad got reelected:
ROMNEY: The comments by the president last week, that there was a robust debate going on in iran, was obviously entirely wrong-headed. What has occurred is the election is a fraud, the results are inaccurate, and you’re seeing a brutal repression of the people as they protest. … It’s very clear that the president’s policies of going around the world and apologizing for America aren’t working. … Look, just sweet talk and criticizing America is not going to enhance freedom in the world.
Watch it:
On Meet the Press this morning, Vice President Biden said of the Ahmadinejad’s victory, “It didn’t seem on its face as clear-cut” as Ahmadinejad has suggested. “I have doubts” that it was a fair election, he added.
SCARBOROUGH: You know, the law of unintended consequences came in again. I suspect that Cairo speech really scared the grand ayatollahs in Iran. If they were going to fix an election, this was the time to fix it, because the last thing they wanted to do was Barack Obama take credit for reformers winning in Iran, like they already have in Lebanon. And by the way, in the short term that's bad news for us. I think in the long term, though -- if the ayatollahs are seen stealing an election, as a result from what Barack Obama did in Cairo -- I actually think that's a positive for the United States and Iran in the long run.
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There’s nothing the right wingers love more than a crooked election they can exploit.
Nothing.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:11 amMore than their own mothers.
Ahmedinejad was Iran’s George W. Bush. If George W. Bush had somehow won a third term, if the U.S. elections in 2008 were so fraudulent that somehow Bush’s name turned up written on every ballot, we’d finally have people rioting in the streets, too.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:13 amMore noise from the insignificant wingnuts. Seems like the wingnut neocons are grasping at straws again.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:17 amRightwing nut cases (red in the face & stamping their feet):
Mom made pancakes, but I wanted Coco Puffs!
It’s cloudy, but I wanted sun!
I want us to bomb another country — just cuz!
Iran’s election went tits-up, but I don’t know why!
IT’S ALL OBAMA’S FAULT!
June 14th, 2009 at 11:19 amThe Iran election fraud is appalling; however, it does reinforce my thinking on a couple key points:
1) thank goodness Obama is president at this critical time; I can only imagine the kind of knee-jerk reaction we’d be getting from GDumbya or Grampy McNumbNuts right now if they were in office when this happened
2) Obama’s Cairo speech did have an effect on the Iran election outcome — (a) it struck fear into the ayatollah by showing what would happen if he lost the reins of power and (b) it created the circumstances where the will of the Iranian people had to be so baldly and ham-handedly overridden
3) it points up again the difference between Obama and the republican right-wing; Obama understands that the true leader of Iran is the ayatollah and said it frequently during his own presidential campaign; the right wing has focussed on the figurehead “I’m-a-dinner-jacket” (that’s because they have no conception of leadership — which probably explains their choice of presidential candidates over the past century)
June 14th, 2009 at 11:23 amThis is no less significant than the stolen elections of 2000 and 2004 here in the U.S. The difference is that the Iranians don’t roam around like drugged cattle.
In 2000, I heard so many say “Well, we did our best. How bad could Bush be?” And he showed us. In 2004, I heard “Well, he’s already gotten us into two wars, how much more damage can he do?” So he showed us again!
If Ahmadinejad serves another term by way of a stolen or fraudulent election, there is no limit to the damage he could do. Trust us, Iran, we’ve been there.
PEACE
June 14th, 2009 at 11:23 amWhere have the neocons been correct about ANYTHING? Please refresh my memory.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:25 amRichard Perle, a neoconservative and former Pentagon adviser, said Obama must share the blame for Ahmadinejad’s power grab. “Normally, when you unclench your fist it benefits the hardliners
How the fu(k did people like this ever attain any kind of position of power?
Simple human psychology, not to mention the lessons of the past eight years, tells us that what benefits hardliners is GREATER confrontation.
External threats inevitably draw together a nation, thus benefitting those in power and especially benefitting those whose ideology is based on confrontation. When the external threat is lessened, the people feel comfortable turning their attention to internal problems.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:28 amTom – thank goodness BushCo is not in control and Grampy McInsane is not the President! I’m glad to see Iranians protesting this fraudulent election. They’re not going down without a fight.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:28 amAll the more reason why Richard “I Would Be Surprised If A Year From There Isn’t A Statue To George W. Bush in Baghdad Square” Perle and Frank “Iraq Was Involved in the OK City Bombing” Gaffney should be ridiculed right out of the public spotlight. They are war-mongers. They are liars. And they are wrong.
To put forth the idea that the election fraud is Obama’s fault is to display an incredible disrespect for the science of logical thought. These people feel that you can posit anything, explain it with anything, and claim anything as a result, and, as far as they are concerned, “It’s all perfectly logical.” If the Iranians announced that they were giving up their nuclear ambitions in favor of solar power, I would not be surprised to hear the Perles and Gaffneys of the world claim, “This is not really a change. The sun is the greatest source of nuclear energy in the solar system. So the attempt to harness the power of the sun is just another step in their plans for nuclear domination.” That is the level of logic that they use.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:30 amThis is not about us.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:31 amWe are also seeing the steps a government will take after a fraudulent election: cut cell phone and texting, as well as internet access.
The first thing to go is the free-flow of communications using technology.
Now do you understand why the Bush Administration was so eager to hook into the world-wide web and monitor all web traffic? Has anyone heard of their hub hardware being removed? No. That’s a government intrusion that’s here to stay. That’s why we have to <message truncated<
June 14th, 2009 at 11:34 amWhere have the neocons been correct about ANYTHING? Please refresh my memory.
Rumsfeld was right when he said the Iraq War wouldn’t last 6 months.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:35 amRichard Perle: “Normally, when you unclench your fist it benefits the hardliners, because Obama appeared to be saying we can do business with you even with your present policies.”
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This from one of the chicken hawks whose clenched fist got us into the Iraq quagmire. I read some comments yesterday joking that the rightwingers would blame the Iranian election on Obama. Neocons like Perle are a joke.
The rightwingers complained about suggestions that Obama’s speech in Cairo might have had something to do with the surprise upset victory of pro-American parties in Lebanon elections three days later. But now all of a sudden, they’re claiming that Obama has been influential in the Middle East — in a bad way, of course.
Their argument doesn’t make sense. Why would Iranians be more likely to vote for their current president whose messed up the Iranian economy and who has diminished respect for their country in the outside world with bellicose talk? It’s more likely that the majority of Iranian voters viewed their incompetent president in the same way that American voters viewed Bush, and acted accordingly just as American voters did last November.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:39 amLet me try to recap the Repug claims.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Does Iran use Diebold voting machines?
June 14th, 2009 at 11:42 amAs someone posted on another thread. The time to buy Reynolds Wrap stock is now the tin foil hat group are really wound up tight
June 14th, 2009 at 11:43 amIf Obama had not made the speech in Cairo, the opposition in Iran would not have had a chance to win, and the Iranian hardliners would not have had to steal the election. The Iranian regime is weakened because it is no longer seen as legit with the Iranian people, and we can credit Obama for this, at least in some way. Once again the neo-cons are bouncing off the ceiling trying to find some way to blame Obama and it has no chance of succeeding with anybody but the radical right.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:45 amWho knows more about fixing elections than ex-Bushies?
I can hardly believe Scarborough’s comments — they seem to recognize that with the growing power of youth in Iran, the days of the harsh ayatollah rule is going to come to an end soon and this is the last hurrah of the clerics, if they are ever going to have one.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:46 amspring heeled jack Says:
This is not about us.
Perhaps it’s not primarily about the U.S., but it certainly does affect the U.S.
President Obama was very wise to stay out of this election completely, both in terms of the candidates and the “democratic process” rhetoric Bush never would have been able to pass up. The President was also smart to mention the 1953 Iranian coup d’etat that centered around the U.S./U.K. intelligence agencies.
Regardless of the final outcome, I hope that the man who wins recognizes that nearly half of the nation voted against him and his platform, and makes an effort to work for all Iranian citizens, not just those who voted for him. You know, completely unlike what “I have a mandate” Bush did.
PEACE
June 14th, 2009 at 11:48 amRichard Perle, a neoconservative and former Pentagon adviser, said Obama must share the blame for Ahmadinejad’s power grab. “Normally, when you unclench your fist it benefits the hardliners, because Obama appeared to be saying we can do business with you even with your present policies.” [...]
Mr. Perle, you have no idea what you’re talking about. WE were not the ones who offered to unclench our fist. We were the ones who offered to extend a hand if they would unclench their fist. The rest of your comment is, therefore, completely meaningless.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:48 amWell at least they squeezed their fraudulent election in before they got nuked by a fraudulent Jimmy Big Bucks…
June 14th, 2009 at 11:48 amIt made me laugh when CNN said “In Iran, elections are controlled by the state”. Kenneth Blackwell and Katherine Harris were Secretaries of STATE. Those two elections were stolen according to all the evidence we are allowed to see—the exit polls. We are not allowed to see the evidence that Bush won those two—how the machines work.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:49 amActually I think they are right, but not for the reasons they are putting forth.
I believe if it wasn’t for Obama and his approach to the Middle East Ahmadinejadhad wouldn’t have had any competition. The fact that Hossein Mousavi was shown in polls to be leading pretty much says that the people in Iran are fed up with living under a dictatorship with a crazy person speaking for their country.
The two things that make this election suspect to me is the fact that it went from “too close to call” to a “landslide” in a matter of hours and the fact that they were able to count the millions of votes in 24 hours.
Ahmadinejadhad really has never had any kind of credible standing as a leader before this. Now he should be completely shut out by the international community.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:50 amThe comments by Gaffney, Perle and even the supposedly rational Romney are incredibly and transparently desperate.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:52 amGaffney and Perle are soulless, despicable people; I don’t think Romney is qualified for anything higher than office clerk, but stupid and gullible as he is, I am surprised to see him jump on this bandwagon by the right — he must be thinking that the right will rise again and that’s the side he wants to be on. What a fool!!
When we overthrew the democratically elected government in Iran and reinstated the fascist Shah—–that was worse than stealing an election.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:52 amhormiga brava chavez Says:
Tom – thank goodness BushCo is not in control and Grampy McInsane is not the President! I’m glad to see Iranians protesting this fraudulent election. They’re not going down without a fight.
It humbles me when I see these people in Iran who are willing to die to stand up to an evil regime. When I think back as to how so many of us sat there silently while Bush and the Republicans brought this country to it’s knees, it makes me wonder what has happened to the American spirit.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:56 amBecause of the Murderous Iran-Iraq War, and the Decimation of Iran’s Youth ,Two decades ago, the Median AGE of Iran’s population is 25.
Two thirds of Iranians are under 30.
Demography is Destiny…in Iran and in America. Time is on the side of Progress.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:58 amThey just keep saying anything hoping something will stick. I hope the American public is smart enough not to listen to these robots anymore.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:59 amAn example of the impossibility of the count from aljazeera.net:
“Ahmadinejad had apparently taken the northwestern city of Tabriz with some ease.
Tabriz is the heart of East Azerbaijan, and Azeris are among the tightest ethnic groups in the country, unfailingly voting along ethnic lines.
…Mir Hossein Mousavi is an Azeri from Tabriz.”
June 14th, 2009 at 11:59 amI really do not believe Joe said anything different from what Mitt Romney said. Joe did it in a more subtle way.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:59 amTo the Iranian youth & women: KEEP UP THE PRESSURE!
June 14th, 2009 at 12:00 pmCan obama do ANYTHING right? Seriously.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:05 pmLet’s hope this has momentum!
June 14th, 2009 at 12:06 pmWe must corner the hardline right wingers no matter where they are! The Iranian youth does not fear Americans. In fact, they love our culture and want to be just like us. It’s the right wingers in Iran who fight against this! The Iranian youth are sick of war and sick of being isolated thanks to their government. I, for one, support their voice today!
June 14th, 2009 at 12:08 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Can Jimmy Big Bucks post ANYTHING intelligent? Seriously!
June 14th, 2009 at 12:09 pmspring heeled jack Says:
This is not about us.
This may not be about us, but this does concern me. I’m thankful that our election of Obama didn’t turn out like this, nor has any of the other elections, and that’s what makes me proud to be in a society where the rules are firmly laid down and the press doesn’t cower to any government pressure to screw the voters.
Yes, people will say that we were screwed from the 2000 election, but the electoral college system in place decided by both parties decided the winner, and as bitter as we were about it, we didn’t protest.
What really strikes me, however, is that the protests we are seeing in Iran could happen here, especially if Obama’s popularity with the right wing is so low that his second election could draw violence.
So I feel we need to learn from this and guarantee that our democracy will never allow for voting frauds like those in Iran.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:09 pmI just talked to my Iranian buddy. He lives here but says his family there says shit is sort of messed up in the streets…
June 14th, 2009 at 12:09 pmSpeaking of robots, one of them is on here right now. They’re kind of creepy, don’t you think? I think so. They’re like a virus hiding in the shadows, and then….POW!….you start puking when they reveal their presence.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:10 pmnwmuse did a post on TheZoo highlighting Juan Cole’s column, “Stealing the Iranian Election.”
June 14th, 2009 at 12:11 pmI suppose Obama is also responsible for the success of the RIGHT in the recent European elections.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:11 pmI’m curious, Mittens. Your five boys were supposedly “serving their country” by helping get you elected president. At least that’s the surgetastic excuse your family used in 2007.
Well, you’ve been out of the race for over 18 months now. Have any of those fine men offered to serve? No?
GNOP hypocrit. I know, I know… another oxymoron.
PEACE
June 14th, 2009 at 12:12 pmHi Jimmy Big Bucks….
June 14th, 2009 at 12:12 pmI’d ask what Obama has to do with this but I understand you have nopurpose nor cohesive thought process. It is all about negative attention and disruption with you.I have a pretty free schedule today. How long would you like me to f uck with your made-up ass?
According to wingnuts, Obama is responsible for the weather, seasonal changes, and the course of stars in the sky. When they call him “the Messiah” I think they’re not being as sarcastic as they pretend.
Before now, at least Ahmadinejad had local populism to point to regarding his legitimacy. Now that he’s lost that, it’s only a matter of time before things get better there. After the 2004 elections in the U.S. the majority of Americans and the world community realized we had gone way to far supporting the crazy. That’s why there’s such a solid pendulum-swing to responsible left-wing politicians now. Iran 2009 may turn out to be America 2004, in that things are getting so bad now that they’re going to have to get better soon.
The wingnuts will get one thing they want – normalizing relations with Iran won’t be possible after Ahmadinejad rigged an election and violently suppressed his own citizenry. But the difference between now and then is that the Iranian people will know that they could have had normalized relations and a chance to stop being a pariah in the eyes of the international community, and there’s only one guy preventing them from having a reasonable relationship with the rest of the world.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:13 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Can obama do ANYTHING right? Seriously.
Ticking off the neocons: SUCCESS
June 14th, 2009 at 12:14 pmI needed a good rightwingnut joke this morning!
Weighing in on the Iranian election and attempting to spin it into Obama’s fault means that these Republican Zeroes in Congress have absolutely nothing sensible or realistic to spew!
hahahahah~ I needed a good laugh this morning.
I got my “jollies” watching Mitch (how many AQ members is that man hiding under his chin anyway?) McConnell this morning speaking about the government “coming between the doctor and the patient”….What a joke!
How about a “non-existent doctor/patient relationship” for 48 million folks in this country? A government agency being between these folks and a doctor would be quite a WELCOMED CHANGE FROM NOTHING.
If we crack down on the 8 years of corporate loopholes (fraud) and collect the back taxes owed to us, this could adequately pay for national health care.
WHAT’S EVEN MORE CRITICAL RIGHT NOW IN THE LEAD UP TO THE VOTE ON HEALTH CARE REFORM IS TO PUBLISH (PUBLIC RECORD?) THE GOLD WHICH THESE CONGRESSMEN LIKE MC CONNELL HAVE LINED THEIR POCKETS WITH FROM BIG PHARMA AND BIG INSURANCE –
Essentially, it can be said that most of the GOP congress is “on the payroll” of these mega corporation who have been part of Bush’s “holy trinity” for too long: Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Insurance.
It’s time to “out” these paid sycophants (public prostitutes) to see just how much of a salary they are taking from these corporations. In my book, this is fraud.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:15 pmWhy do the Rightwing Extremists in congress and in the msm hate america and want it to fail?
June 14th, 2009 at 12:17 pmAhmadinejad would have stolen the election no matter what Obama said or did. The Iranian leader was in trouble even before Obama was elected and Ahmadinejad knew he could not win without stealing the election. He is facing a restive population that are chafing at the isolation which affects the younger people who want more freedom. It is just a question of time before Ahmadinejad gets into a crisis with his domestic or international policies. He can’t keep the whole population isolated from western culture.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:19 pmblistex11 Says:
Why do the Rightwing Extremists in congress and in the msm hate america and want it to fail?
June 14th, 2009 at 12:17 p
Cuz there’s profit in it, girl! ;)
June 14th, 2009 at 12:21 pmBoy the GOOPers tent is so small they can`t even get the clown car in………….now keep up the racism on Sotomayor who has the most Federal bench experience than any other jurist on the SCOTUS in 100 years,MORON`S.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:21 pmblistex11, did you happen to notice that Schieffer had McConnell on for 12 minutes while Dick Durbin got just nine? Or that Schieffer referred to Obama not as “President Obama” or “our president” but as “your man” when speaking to Durbin?
What a partisan hack! Senator Durbin did a fantastic job and I’d like to see him in front of the cameras more when it comes to articulating the plans for healthcare reform.
PEACE
June 14th, 2009 at 12:24 pmJimmy, why are you here?
Did caller ID make prank phone calls no fun anymore?
I would think the availability of free porno would keep you too busy to come here.
Oh how I await your witty response.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:25 pmI find it *very* telling that the hardline neocons in America and the hardline neocons in Iran have the very same interests.
Hmmmmmm…..
June 14th, 2009 at 12:26 pmSo after I screw with the weak poser Jimmy enough I guess the equally ineffective nonentity centrist will magically appear…
June 14th, 2009 at 12:26 pmHello, I’m crazy eyes, and I sincerely believe everything is Obama’s fault. The Letterman comments, Iran’s elections, and making Dick Cheney mad. Everything! (bug eyes). Everything! (bigger bug eyes). EVERYTHING! (humongous bug eyes).
June 14th, 2009 at 12:27 pmTypical hypocrite Limbaugh, on Thursday’s show when it looked like Mousavi was going to win and fearing the ‘Obama Effect’, said (went on and on) that whoever was the Iranian President didn’t matter.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:27 pmNow we’ll see what he says on Monday, and my guess is 180º opposite.
Zooey Says:
blistex11 Says:
Why do the Rightwing Extremists in congress and in the msm hate america and want it to fail?
June 14th, 2009 at 12:17 p
Cuz there’s profit in it, girl! ;)
Profit, perhaps, but let’s remind all of the people that want Obama to fail that such a desire might come at a price.
Let’s say that Obama does fail. He ends up leaving government and society in worse shape than it was before. I’m sure the Republicans would be licking their chops, but who is to say that the American public would be ready to turn to them?
If anything, Rush and his cronies should be wishing for Obama to have partial success. They should be looking to commend him when he does succeed and point out his flaws when he does fail. Blaming him for something that he may have indirectly influenced is the extremely inappropriate response.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:27 pm“…Schieffer referred to Obama not as “President Obama” or “our president” but as “your man” when speaking to Durbin?”
It’s “that guy” all over again. Jeez!
June 14th, 2009 at 12:27 pmwhat many right-wingers are conveeeeeeeniently forgetting is that maybe the Iranians learned how to steal elections from the GOP??? ;) ;)
June 14th, 2009 at 12:31 pmen son videolar
June 14th, 2009 at 12:33 pmen son videolar
Purple State Says:
June 14th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
I was being snarky. :)
June 14th, 2009 at 12:35 pmThe real Iranian election results?…
June 14th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
President Obama “apologizing” (I’d portray it more as a world leader admitting obvious wrongdoing that accounted for the heavy drop in opinion polling as to the direction of the country during the Bush years) isn’t going to ameliorate every broken limb in American foreign policy, but it’s pretty clear that we’re so out of balance that it cannot hurt – that’s impossible. The real policy changes have yet to come. This is tough course to steer — the Bush administration is in until his policies are completely out, namely the Iraq war.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:37 pmWait, there was a CONSERVATIVE candidate?!
June 14th, 2009 at 12:38 pmIran, the new Florida of elections.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:39 pmHi Jane! Gardening today?
June 14th, 2009 at 12:43 pmI hope people keep in perspective that Mitt Romney is living the with no economic worries and no day job while Obama is steering the country out of a rut as leader of the free world. The guy with no job is criticizing the performance of the guy with the toughest job; his rigid, useless ideology intact.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:43 pmJane E. Schneider Says:
“…Schieffer referred to Obama not as “President Obama” or “our president” but as “your man” when speaking to Durbin?”
It’s “that guy” all over again. Jeez!
Can you imagine how the right wing would have reacted if anyone had referred to Bush as “your man” or “that guy”? They would have gone ballistic.
It puzzles me why they think their constant assault on President Obama is a good thing. The more they assault him the more people leave their party and the lower their poll numbers go. It’s almost like the Republic party has a death wish.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:45 pmOK as I used to belong to the wingnut party …let me get my tinfoil hat out of the closet and explain things…
1. Its Obama’s fault Ahmadinejad won because Obama did a speech with the message of peace and understanding. After all we Facists see weakness as opportunity and it has to be Obama’s fault the ruling theocracy wants to keep their puppet in power.
2. It would be Obama’s fault if Mousavi won because he did a speech with the message of peace and understanding. After all we Facists know that nothing destablizes our colonization goals more than an emerging democracy that we have nothing to do with…
3. It’s Obama’s fault if he opens his mouth at all because…well because we don’t give a **** about anything but what keeps us in power and making money for ourselves.
Wow, we are really transparent aren’t we….
June 14th, 2009 at 12:48 pmThere are different factions of conservatives over there.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:48 pmKayInMaine Says:
The real Iranian election results?…
Unofficial news – reports leaked results from Interior Ministry:
Eligible voters: 49,322,412
Votes cast: 42,026,078
Mir Hossein Mousavi: 19,075,623
Mehdi Karoubi: 13,387,104
Mahmoud Ahmadi-nejad (incumbent): 5,698,417
Wow, no wonder he had to steal the election. That’s a pretty embarrassing result, coming in third.
My question is how in the hell did they hand count 42 million votes over night. That seems like a herculean task to me.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:48 pmSeems to me this election was no different than Joe Lieberman’s, meaning, the largest percentage of votes went to Joe after the Sec. of State confirmed that it did. See? At one point in Joe’s “reelection win” there was the same numbers of votes cast for Ned Lamont as was cast for Joe’s opponent in an earlier election Joe was in. Very fishy!
June 14th, 2009 at 12:53 pmCan odumbass do anything right?
June 14th, 2009 at 12:57 pmpags2 Says:
Ahmadinejad would have stolen the election no matter what Obama said or did.
Yeah, something tells me Ahmadinejad doesn’t really give a crap what America has to say about it either way. It’s not like a bunch of empty sword-waving and chest-thumping worked so brilliantly either.
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Looks like Iran is on the brink of another revolution. Everything’s totally gone to hell there, and the populace seems to be standing around looking at each other and waiting for a signal to go for it.
It’s worth recognizing that whether we liked it or not, Iran’s system since 1979 was entirely under the consent of the governed. The people overthrew the Shah, kicked out the U.S. and established the theocracy. The theocracy ran limited but free elections up until now. It was really the only implicit end of the deal that they had to hold up, and now that they’ve dropped that it’s probably just a matter of time before the whole thing goes down.
Pakistan’s last election is encouraging as well. I think more and more Middle-Eastern electorates are realizing that they don’t have to choose between right-wing religious wackjobs and right-wing military strongmen; there’s a third, saner, option. I think more and more of them are going to start taking it.
After all, we did. In picking Obama we signaled to them that we’re willing to stop voting for ignorant jerks, and maybe they should do the same so we can all get along.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:57 pmWell, if we all remember correctly, on the night of the 2004 election here in the states, John Kerry won the election before we went to bed (based mainly on exit polling around the country), but then in the middle of the night Kenny Blackwell, Karl Rove, the RNC, and Mike Connell’s fancy computer pageant walking (Connell was killed in a plane crash right before he was going to testify on this don’t forget!), the Ohio computers were shut down for 6 hours and a million or so votes were “lost”. So really, the numbers in Iran were most likely called in and the above tallies reflect that. But! The State can call it for Ahmadinejad just like the Sec. of State of Connecticut did for Lieberman. See? It’s all right wing election rules made up each day in this country. Gawd I hate them.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:00 pmHi, spencers mom, it’s still a bit too wet out to hit the garden. I’ll probably go out after the Mets game, hopefully the sun will have dried things out a bit. I’ve had enough of this rain!
June 14th, 2009 at 1:00 pmPresident Buttcrack obama screwed up once again. Wow I still cannot believe this retard got elected. Its all a bad dream.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:01 pmHe screwed up, Dim Wad? Please explain and if you can provide links proving your theory. Thanks Big Dummy!
June 14th, 2009 at 1:02 pmJimmy Big Bucks, please answer this question:
Are you trying to start a civil war? Yes or NO.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:03 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
President Buttcrack obama screwed up once again. Wow I still cannot believe this retard got elected. Its all a bad dream.
Weren’t you told not to pick your butt crack in your sleep?
June 14th, 2009 at 1:04 pmJane, that’s a question that screams, “Cut the crap!”
June 14th, 2009 at 1:07 pmExactly Jane at #80! *big thumbs up*
June 14th, 2009 at 1:08 pmJimmy Big Bucks is a pussy. Little Jimmy won’t even deny this. Fake Fraud Poser. I can shit all upon you and you can’t and won’t do anything you pose faker. Atleast your pussy Archie identity made a lame attempt. You suck beyond all that sucks…
June 14th, 2009 at 1:10 pmMcWars, it was Kay’s idea (see John Yoo thread.)
http://firedoglake.com/2009/06/13/memo-to-the-right-wing-put-up-or-shut-up/
June 14th, 2009 at 1:11 pmActually,
June 14th, 2009 at 1:21 pmThe RIGHTWING is right. OBAMA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE IRANIAN ELECTION. THAT IS for the election to ACTUALLY have a moderate opposition candidate. Obama is reponsible for the MILLIONS of YOUNG IRANIANS taking to the street to PROTEST and complain against the tyrannical Ahmadinejad is PROOF that OBAMA’s policies of MODERATION WORKS to FREE THE PEOPLE FROM THE BONDAGE OF FEAR AND INTOLERANCE THAT Ahmadinejad AND THE RIGHTWING JUST LOVE.
The rightwing just want more fear so they want Ahmadinejad to stay in power.
Jimmy Big Bucks Says:
President Buttcrack obama screwed up once again. Wow I still cannot believe this retard got elected. Its all a bad dream.
I don’t understand why you keep confusing Barack Obama with George W. Bush. The two look nothing like each other.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:25 pmLet me get this straight:
They’re claiming the Iranian election was stolen, but it’s Obama fault Ahmadinejad won?
I guess I’d have to be a Republican… or have a lobotomy… to understand that one.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:27 pmWhen have hardliners, such as the Taliban, ever wanted to release their control voluntarily?
June 14th, 2009 at 1:34 pmXisithrus Says:
When have hardliners, such as the Taliban, ever wanted to release their control voluntarily?
Ha!, I had to read that twice, I thought you said Rightwingers, which is also true.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:37 pmI guess this means that Amenjihad won the first time around because of Obama.
Lord, these peoples pretzel logic is stupendous…maybe that should be stoopidendous.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:39 pmThe right-wing Iranian President, Ahmad, seems to be copying the right-wing Bush playbook: steal the Presidential Election a second time and then claim that you have a “mandate”…
June 14th, 2009 at 1:40 pmHa!, I had to read that twice,…Alecto
8^D
June 14th, 2009 at 1:42 pmElBruce Says:
Yeah, something tells me Ahmadinejad doesn’t really give a crap what America has to say about it either way. It’s not like a bunch of empty sword-waving and chest-thumping worked so brilliantly either.
Ahmadinejad needs someone like Bush to keep the population in line. Now that Bush is gone, attacking Obama would be a mistake since he is well received by many countries including Muslim states. Ahmadinejad will need to create another crisis or boogeyman to have an excuse to take away civil freedoms and surpress dissent.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:44 pmWow.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:49 pmThe conservative can get NOTHING to stick to Obama, they can find nothing that he has really done wrong, no name the resonates with the American public, so all they can do is make up crazy and crazier talking points.
I love watching their heads explode.
I hope people keep in perspective that Mitt Romney is living the with no economic worries and no day job while Obama is steering the country out of a rut as leader of the free world.
It will also help to remember that Romney used to be one of those Wall Street guys, you know a Wall Street financier and hedge fund manager. One of those guys who helped ruin our economy.
June 14th, 2009 at 1:56 pmThanks for that facile analysis, Prod. We will give it all the respect and attention due to a contribution from one of your demonstrated stature and insight.
June 14th, 2009 at 2:02 pmGood on you, Proud, for finally recognizing that Bush = Bad
Never thought you’d come around… your mom must be so proud of Proud!
Now, if you and your little troll friends can just piss off and leave us alone, we won’t bother to chase you down.
PEACE
June 14th, 2009 at 2:03 pmExactly, so shut up and go away! Go hang out with the neck drooling knuckle draggers who are just like ya, because hanging out here with us rational liberals makes you stand out and look stupid!
June 14th, 2009 at 2:05 pmObama….Good
Bush…..Bad
My heart is fluttering right now!
June 14th, 2009 at 2:07 pmRepukes talking about rigged elections,got to love the irony,but moreover the Iranian oppo leader & his supporters don’t lack for courage to no one.Just look how they are refusing to accept the theft of their election.If only in 2000 some of us had shown more courage think how better off we would have been.
June 14th, 2009 at 2:09 pmThe Iranian people are staging the protests that US citizens should have after the 2000 and 2004 elections as well as all the times our rights were stomped on.
June 14th, 2009 at 2:12 pmNot so simple, Proud:
Obama is NOT pushing for single payer healthcare…
Obama is not pushing for War Crime Trials….
Obama is not pushing for an end to “Don’t ask don’t tell”….
Obama is not pushing for real bank reform….
YET!
June 14th, 2009 at 2:14 pmMan, I keep hearing this background noise, kinda like the buzz a swarm of Gnats makes when there flying aroud your head…
June 14th, 2009 at 2:17 pmAh, its only Proud Moron, and Jimmy Numb Nuts.
Shorter Proud: Teabag me! 8^O8=
June 14th, 2009 at 2:17 pmRichard Perle, a neoconservative and former Pentagon adviser, said Obama must share the blame for Ahmadinejad’s power grab. “Normally, when you unclench your fist it benefits the hardliners, because Obama appeared to be saying we can do business with you even with your present policies.”
The war mongering Zionists are crawling out from under their rocks, again.
June 14th, 2009 at 2:22 pmIt’s almost like the Republic party has a death wish.
They do. The evangelical christian base, which now controls the Republican Party, fervently believes in the Rapture and Armageddon occuring by 2012. Their death wish is for all whom they condemn as non-believers.
June 14th, 2009 at 2:31 pmChurch gets out and trolls show up. Their timing is as impeccable as Clark Kent and Superman.
June 14th, 2009 at 2:32 pmHe was a uniter not a divider before he was a divider not a uniter
June 14th, 2009 at 2:39 pmSo how is this unitary executive theory the neo-cons and federalist worked to implement is not a power grab?
You get all these countries making power grabs and it cannot turn our well for our little spaceship called Earth or its inhabitants.
Its time to look around you, there is no place to go once the igmoes pull a planet of the apes stunt.
June 14th, 2009 at 2:44 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsbYx6hevoQ
Proud Says:
Let me save all of you lots of time. I will sum up every post on TP:
Obama…….Good
Bush……..Bad
Now you don’t have to waste all your time coming up with new ways to say the same thing everyday.
I think the more facts we can provide to demonstrate the clear difference, the more ways that the contrast manifests itself in different issues, the better the chance is that the country doesn’t make such a horrific mistake of voting for Republicans again in the future. Frankly, I don’t think it’s possible to say it enough.
June 14th, 2009 at 2:55 pmProudMoron let me sum up my OWN position. You are stupid, you are worthless and you are a punkass troll. You have rarely posted anything worth reading in the last year.
June 14th, 2009 at 3:02 pmJimmyCrackWhore. You are an ignorant piece of garbage. You are stupider than dryer lint. Stop making your stupidity a burden on mankind and go kill yourself
June 14th, 2009 at 3:03 pmI think Jimmy BB has a disorder. He keeps repeating the same inane nonsensical comments. Like a senile old uncle who visits — he just sits there and farts all afternoon, stinking up the room.
June 14th, 2009 at 3:23 pmThe right wing claims Ali Frick is obsessed with the right wing.
June 14th, 2009 at 3:35 pmObama = Patriot
Bush = Traitor
June 14th, 2009 at 3:38 pmJimmy likes big bucks,
Big bucks like Jimmy’s butt.
June 14th, 2009 at 3:46 pmromney the strong patriotic used car salesman….which war was he a draft dodger of. And of all his sons….how many of them are serving in the armed services…..ZERO. Romney the patriotic chicken hawk. Wasn’t it his connections to industries that shipped many jobs out of this country?
June 14th, 2009 at 3:54 pmWow – just stumbled on this site.. Maybe you should just state this is a very liberal site so those of us who are “not on the same page” will be warned.
As for Obama, Bush and Iran.. You have to be rather naive to think that the election just happened because Obama got elected. Work has been done for years, behind the scenes by Clinton, Bush and I am sure Obama will continue it..
Do you remember a few years ago when Iran declared a number of candidates not valid to run .. so on some levels this show of a strong two candidate election with high passion on both sides is a win…Bush did quite a bit on the QC….Clinton as well..
But please go ahead – show how naive you are.. bash away like fools…
Long live the new king….Death to the old king….
Nice thoughts..
June 14th, 2009 at 4:36 pmmoiracleary Says:
June 14th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Sorry to traumatize you, moiracleary, but it is called THINK PROGRESS.
Read carefully, hun, WE don’t think Obama is responsible for Iran’s election — the wingnuts do.
Run along…
June 14th, 2009 at 4:51 pmmoiracleary
So you make a reasonable point then attack us as fools? OK. So you are stupid and you KNOW you are stupid so you try a pre-emptive WWWWAAAAHHHHH you are going to pick on me. What was the point of that? Did you think you OUGHT to insult us then have us treat YOU with respect? I guess that would make sense to a MORON. Your thoughts are STUPID. Now if you REALLY want a conversation make a point and leave YOUR insults in your bag. If you WANT a flamewar then keep calling us names and we will gut you like a fish. Its all the same to me. I love to laugh at people as stupid as you.
June 14th, 2009 at 5:47 pmBad Zooey!
Be nice to newcomers, even if they didn’t understand correctly. You were new once too.
The correction was appropriate, the run along….not so much.
June 14th, 2009 at 5:51 pmI see no reason to be nice to people who stop in and start a conversation by calling us fools. I see a reason to slap the stupid out of them
June 14th, 2009 at 5:56 pmPerhaps Mr. Gaffney should consider the root causes of that perceived “weakness” and the neoCons part in it. Then again, perhaps someone as lacking in judgement as Mr. Gaffney shouldn’t be employed by a “think tank.”
June 14th, 2009 at 6:09 pmhttp://www.thepoliticalfish.com
http://www.mediusoriens.com
Conservative here, would like to say that Obama had nothing to do with the elections being rigged.
June 14th, 2009 at 6:24 pmThere is a heap of evidence to suggest and even validate the Iranian peoples claim of election fraud. Check out the two websites mentioned above, as I and a friend of mine have been following this story closely. Andrew Sullivan I think was mentioned, also keeping a close eye. We should support these people in their fight with an oppressive theocratic government. The evidence that their votes were silenced in favor of the Ayatollah’s puppet president is overwhelming. Frankly at this point, I think Mr. Obama should stay out of it, and let the dust settle.
Just because Romney and a few other Republicans (who i might add do not represent true conservatives) come out and drop political bombs in the middle of a fluid situation, does not mean “all neo-cons” blame Obama. Ill say it again, Obama in my opinion had absolutely nothing to do with this.
hEY! PEOPLE OF THE WORLD!
I am deeply concern regarding the unending protest -both destructive and constructive commentaries about the recently concluded Iranian Election.
Can we not just keep our mouth shut! and let JUSTICE prevail, and lets see what the FUTURE brings, lets just embrace whatever the result was? Some blame the Obama’s Administration etc… well, its the Iranian people who chose their own leader with a landslide vote!
Who are we to judge the will of the majority? I for one, dont like politics- because its the dirtiest game on earth! incalculable injustices, its unthinkable if we interfere with the law above us.
Its them who has the power and let the world see how they administer their own government. Put the past behind us, whatever happened in the past- i think we need not to look back- we need to move forward. We are created to carry FORWARD and ever-advancing civilization, and we should be obidient to our own government.
Because the betterment of the world can be accomplished through pure and goodly deeds, through commendable and seemly conduct! Let this leaders of the world do what they can do and GOD will do the rest!
If they betray the TRUST of their own people, then let them suffer the consequences of their actions in the FUTURE!
“THE WORLD IS TIRED WITH WORDS! IT NEEDS AN EXAMPLE!
whenever we think the faults and mistakes of others, whenever we look back and criticise people’s mistakes- HEY! think for yourself first and see if you are perfect or not!
We all have our own imperfections- and we work towards perfection.
GOD KNOWS what is best for US!
If you have FAITH- then your words should not differ from your deeds!
Because FAITH means CONSCIOUS KNOWLEDGE and ABUNDANCE OF GOOD DEEDS!
If these elected people do realise their GOD given KNOWLEDGE then they SHOULD and THEY must USE them in a REAL SENSE!
The BEST thing is GOD’S sight is JUSTICE!- in everything we do there’s always a CONSEQUENCES may it be GOOD or BAD!
If the Iranian people do what they have done in the PAST so be it! there’s nothing we can do! after all- they will be the one the SUFFER! although YES,its the WORLD’S deep concern.
Wherever we are, and Whoever we are, regardless, of religion, races, creed, etc.. We are just flowers of ONE GARDEN AND FRUITS OF ONE TREE!
THESE GOVERNMENT LEADERS ARE ELECTED TO MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE- and lead the people in accordance with the LAW of LAND and the LAW of GOD.
If they are GOD-fearing people then, they should know what to do- WE CAN DISTINGUISH TRUTH FROM ERROR!
but we should stop FAULT-FINDING- better think of ourselves as an INDIVIDUAL and what can we do for the betterment of the WORLD!
Let them stick to their propoisition where the sun dont shine!
MAY GOD BLESS US, AND GUIDE US, AS A CITIZEN OF THIS WORLD.
June 14th, 2009 at 6:26 pmbienvenido,
Your post is worthless. All that blather about God and faith doesn’t matter because it’s just mythology.
June 14th, 2009 at 6:37 pmLevi the Dungbeetle Says:
Bad Zooey!
Be nice to newcomers, even if they didn’t understand correctly. You were new once too.
The correction was appropriate, the run along….not so much.
June 14th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
I don’t take kindly to those who arrive here with insults, condescension, stupidity and name-calling in their first post.
That idiot just dropped in here to shit on this thread, and I didn’t want that one to be the last comment.
BTW, I know I should be nice to newcomers, and I usually am, because my very first comment on TP way back in 2005 was slapped down so frackin’ hard my ears were ringing — but I didn’t arrive with insults.
June 14th, 2009 at 6:37 pmYou are right. The visitor was condescending and insulting. I stand corrected.
June 14th, 2009 at 6:44 pmmoiracleary Says:
Wow – just stumbled on this site.. Maybe you should just state this is a very liberal site so those of us who are “not on the same page” will be warned.
My ass. Kiss it. Get on the right page or GTFO.
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moiracleary Says:
Work has been done for years, behind the scenes by Clinton, Bush and I am sure Obama will continue it..
Bush’s sole relationship with Iran was to use it as a speechifying punching bag, freaking them out and spurring them to develop nukes in defense of our impending invasion. The U.S. did not then and do not now have any diplomatic channels with Iran whatsoever.
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Levi the Dungbeetle Says:
Be nice to newcomers, even if they didn’t understand correctly. You were new once too.
If somebody’s going to come in here and complain about all the liberalism, then they’ve openly identified themselves as supporters of the enemies of America, its Contitution and freedom in general. If they’d like to learn something before commenting, that’d be fine. Otherwise, we’re gonna start throwing shoes.
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bienvenido1844 Says:
… well, its the Iranian people who chose their own leader with a landslide vote!
Yeah, but then the other guy shut down all the media, started beating protestors in the streets and invented the election returns to make it look like he won.
As for the rest of your rant, it all just sounds like “shut up and take whatever they beat into you.”
So, no.
June 14th, 2009 at 7:01 pmLiberal folk, and trolls: when Bill takes on Obama, as Jon Stewart has, its time to recognize that liberals think and repugs repeat after me, whomever.
Lets get on with business. Healthcare reform is extremely important to US economic revival. I am retired military and am totally covered. Not my issue, except that the US is not economically competitive without it. Of the 25 top ecomomic nations in the world we are the only one with out uniiversal health care. Point is, we pile it on the companies, like GM, then accuse them of union ass kissing. Are we stupid or what?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/14/bill-maher-takes-on-obama_n_215338.html
June 14th, 2009 at 7:05 pmZooey: I know you are a very legitimate and thoughtful poster here. What I think I heard in your post above is that if those who don’t agree with us can’t post without running afoul of our own thought process they need stay away. Believe me, I don’t like most of these people, but we need discourse, and liberals most of the time provide that, even when its hard to rebut the idiocy we confront so often. What we must do, and believe me, you do it a well as anyone I have read here, is continue the fight. I admire your fortitude, your resilience in staying with the fight, because I seldom can get up the nerve to answer so well as you and others do. I don’t have the intellect or gift or whatever. Stay in there do for the rest of us what you do well. Logic will out.
June 14th, 2009 at 7:14 pmZooey: I was inspired to write by #137, which sends a string of GFTFO, which ain’t me, and ain’t you from my year long reading of you here and my own not commenting.
June 14th, 2009 at 7:17 pmI like the asiatimes for articles about Asia. This situation and Iran is not so black and white as it looks in the Western media. Ahmadinejad might have actually won. Making it look like a landslide was stupid. He has a lot of support among the rural and 85% of the voting population voted.
The challenger was conservative—a moderate, but conservative. This may be an event that leads to change, but it’s not going to lead to the sudden Westernization of Iran.
June 14th, 2009 at 7:21 pmHighPlainsJoker Says:
Point is, we pile it on the companies, like GM, then accuse them of union ass kissing. Are we stupid or what?
Ex-AAAc-tly. Opposing single-payer health care opposes American business. There’s no reason that employers should have to pay for and manage health care plans for their employees. That’s not their job, and it’s a drag on every industry. Rising health care costs are responsible for nearly all of the union disputes over the past ten years, as unions want their coverage locked into their contract. Of course the R’s just use that as an excuse to blame the unions for the company’s woes, but the fact is it’s the health care costs that cause the problems to both sides.
June 14th, 2009 at 7:58 pmthats freaking hilarious,wasn’t Perle the guy who painted this glorious picture of a U.S. led invasion into Iraq.It boggles the mind how people still listen to anything he has to say.
June 14th, 2009 at 8:38 pmMarie Says:
I think Jimmy BB has a disorder. He keeps repeating the same inane nonsensical comments. Like a senile old uncle who visits — he just sits there and farts all afternoon, stinking up the room.
I agree, Marie, except a lot of the time it isn’t farts we’re smelling.
June 14th, 2009 at 8:42 pmRichard Perle? Isn’t he that Zionist who was under indictment for being a treacherous crackpot? Maybe we should get Charlie Manson’s opinion.
June 14th, 2009 at 8:58 pm“Because FAITH means CONSCIOUS KNOWLEDGE and ABUNDANCE OF GOOD DEEDS!”
I thought that “faith” means ‘believing in something without concrete evidence’?
June 14th, 2009 at 9:27 pmWhat they drinking, these people who “stumble onto” TP?
June 14th, 2009 at 9:35 pmWiley, makes ya wonder, doesn’t it? ;)
June 14th, 2009 at 9:39 pmSo the neo-CONs have finally gotten over blaming everything on Clinton and now have Obama to blame. Okay, I will play along and blame Obama for my calico cat’s death last month and the dahlias that wilted in my garden last week. Now that really makes me feel better.
June 14th, 2009 at 9:49 pmAs for Chickenhawk Supreme Mitt Romney, we really should feel sorry for him for getting out of the Vietnam War draft by serving as a missionary in France. Don’t you all realize how hard it must have been for a Mormon to resist all that good French wine tempting him everywhere?
Wow…I thought Think Progress was supposed to be at least “a tiny bit open-minded!” lol It’s really sad that people define themselves entirely by one of two words.
June 14th, 2009 at 9:53 pmTPaine2009 Says:
Wow…I thought Think Progress was supposed to be at least “a tiny bit open-minded!” lol It’s really sad that people define themselves entirely by one of two words.
Would you care to elaborate? What do you mean?
June 14th, 2009 at 10:13 pmTo the Right wing… remember the election of 2000?
June 14th, 2009 at 10:19 pmShall wee talk about ‘election fraud’??!
June 14th, 2009 at 10:19 pmgah… scarborough (UPDATE) may be closest…
Iran elections: The hope that Iran threw away
A vital chance to rebuild economic relations with the West was lost in the disputed election, writes David Blair.
[...]
[...]they must live under a theocratic regime, dominated by the enigmatic figure of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the Supreme Leader. The lesson of this election is clear: the hard men who wield real power in Iran – and the newly re-elected President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is only their most visible representative – are determined never to loosen their grip.
[...]
Ayatollah Khamenei and his allies are clearly aware of the potential threat all this poses to the regime. Regular elections are the one safety valve they allow for discontent. The result of the presidential poll announced on Saturday, however, shows the limits.
If the shadowy figures who really rule Iran decide that victory for their favoured candidate is sufficiently important – and Mr Ahmadinejad is clearly their chosen frontman – then the authorities will duly guarantee that he wins. Anyone who protests against this outcome risks the wrath of the Islamic Republic’s plethora of security forces.
In this case, however, the Supreme Leader and his allies may not be acting in their own interests. If their goal is to press ahead with their nuclear programme, while avoiding international pressure and a possible war with America or Israel, they have almost certainly made the wrong move.
[...]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/5536288/Iran-elections-The-hope-that-Iran-threw-away.html
check it out.
June 14th, 2009 at 10:40 pmHello Wayne!
How are you on this fine American Sunday night?
I guess I just believe the term “THINK” is being misrepresented here. An open-minded person logically, not passionately, is capable of weighing the issues thoughtfully, wiping aside personal biases, and discussing the chosen topic with neither anger nor pessimism. I don’t know anything about you, Wayne, but I am a glass-is-half-full kind of person so I’ll assume you are an intelligent individual. That being said, how can you take part in this nonsense with a straight face? I mean seriously, Wayne, this is a blog, a purported inteligent blog, yet most people spend 90 percent of their time railing against those wicked neo-cons or blasting the occasional blogger who has a different point of view! I have literally seen 30 BUSH = BAD blurbs!
That’s not too far from SEE JACK RUN!
I actually believed we might be talking about the Iran election, whether or not it actually was fraudulent, and if so what that means for the next five years. There are a trillion Bush is Satan blogs on the Web. I came here to find some original ideas and maybe engage in some enlightening discussions about the democracy in the 21st century.
June 14th, 2009 at 10:49 pmOf course Joe “I Am A Zionist” Biden would parrot his Israeli masters on this one. Mutt Rommel, another Corporate tool, would also follow the money trail. Demublicans and Republicrats, always on the same page when it comes to war and corporate power.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:05 pmTPaine2009 Says:
Random Thoughts
Open-mindedness, logic and passion are not mutually exclusive.
If you take a look around you’ll find that this is, by comparison, one of the better forums of it’s type. People around here generally take the caps lock off and usually don’t feel the need to post the same thing multiple times.
Keep in mind that the only qualification necessary for this or most any of these forums is an internet connection.
It only takes two for an intelligent discussion and I can absolutely guarantee that there are more than two intelligent people around here.
You mentioned that you are a “glass is half full type person’. I don’t know exactly how full it is around here but at least there is a glass. Spend a few moments over at “Gateway Pundit” if you want to see something truly depressing.
Cheers!!
June 14th, 2009 at 11:41 pm“An original idea for democracy in the 21st century”. Wow. How noble.
I think it would be original not to discuss the Iranian situation as if it were ours. There is very little factual news coming out about it right now, and a lot of polarizing articles from the West that portray the opposition candidate as if he were a liberal Democrat.
The Ayatollah has the last word, that’s the way it’s been since ‘79, if I’m not mistaken. However it works out for Iran, it’s not our problem our fault.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:51 pmProud Says:
Let me save all of you lots of time. I will sum up every post on TP:
Obama…….Good
Bush……..Bad
Wow, Proud, I’m so impressed by your profound insight here…
Please, don’t stop eating your cheetos, although let me recommend 7-11’s scorching hot kind…
June 14th, 2009 at 11:56 pmLevi the Dungbeetle Says
bienvenido,
Your post is worthless. All that blather about God and faith doesn’t matter because it’s just mythology.
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LEVI the Dungbeetle:
“If you have a brain in your head==== then use it, ” common sense! I’m sorry if i am offended you, but you did offended me as well? What makes my post WORTHLESS??? if so? then all these post are WORTHLESS too? dont you think so? And who are you to say that GOD and Faith is just MYTHOLOGY??? huh? your thoughts that you have posted is a product of your own FAITH?
“PONDER THIS! THE MIND IS NOT A VESSEL TO BE FILLED, BUT FIRE TO BE IGNITED”
if still you are not convinced with what i have posted- then go to Iran and join the group thats the battlefield for you!
I’m sorry of being rude here but – dont you ever say that my words are WORTHLESS? ok?
seems worthless to you because you dont understand what i said? as in your level of COMPREHENSION is very very poor! even lower than the DUST!
June 15th, 2009 at 12:13 amHow bold.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:29 amwiley Says:
What they drinking, these people who “stumble onto” TP?
I’m thinking links from freepers or somewhere similar. Unfortunately they never say when dropping their drive-by post and then heading off into the sunset with their tail between their legs.
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TPaine2009 Says:
Wow…I thought Think Progress was supposed to be at least “a tiny bit open-minded!” lol It’s really sad that people define themselves entirely by one of two words.
What would you like us to be open minded about? Care to present an opinion relevant to a topical newsworthy issue? An open-minded person would at least give us a try…
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Brain From Planet Arous Says:
Of course Joe “I Am A Zionist” Biden would parrot his Israeli masters on this one.
Umm… from what we know so far, Ahmadinejad shut down all news media and communication, had the police beating people in the streets, and then reported that he had won by 62% across the board. This is exactly what a rigged election always looks like. This has nothing to do with Israel.
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bienvenido1844 Says:
Levi the Dungbeetle Says
“PONDER THIS! THE MIND IS NOT A VESSEL TO BE FILLED, BUT FIRE TO BE IGNITED”
There’s some gasoline in various cars on the street and you can get a book of matches for free at any convenience store. You have fun with that.
June 15th, 2009 at 4:31 amEugeneDebs Says:
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I see no reason to be nice to people who stop in and start a conversation by calling us fools. I see a reason to slap the stupid out of them
And I’d like to slap it out of you, but that would be a never ending job, since you have an unlimited supply of stupidity. You and Zooey and all the rest of you delusional, worthless, whiney, America hating, liberal whackjobs can go screw yourselves. Better yet, leave the country. And take your hate filled, extremist website with you. It’s been real….assbags!!!
June 15th, 2009 at 4:33 amNo, Don. You leave. We’re the majority. Eat sh*t you pantspissing cowards. You lose. Sucks to be you.
June 15th, 2009 at 4:44 amHi folks,
This is my 1st time here. I just found this site about an hour ago. I have read through some of the comments that I have seen here.
June 15th, 2009 at 6:29 amAs I put in my profile I am neither a republican nor a democrat. I am an independant.
As the header statement of the President being partially responsible for the Iranian election is kinda nuts IMHO.
I do see though that alot of people like bashing others opinions. I think that everyone has the right to express their own. But I cannot understand why people find it nessasary to call each other names for expressing those opinions. Again just my own opinion.
I am not very astute on politics. All I know is that being a member of either party brings with it there own problems.
I have never figured out what right-wing, left-wing was suppose to ressemble.
Again IMHO I don’t think anyone in a public office is corruption free. I know in business, it is certainly not corruption free. You know when we have something bad happen, like when we have a hurricane, tornado, flood or even a car accident, people put there differences aside and try to help others out. In those situations it doesn’t matter what color you are, how much money you have or don’t have or if you are a democrat or a republican.
To say that any one party has all the right answers well thats just not the case. IMHO I don’t think that any party has the right answers. It’s the individual. Its about wisdom, compassion, justice, the Constitution of the United States, and whats the best for the most.
But I am one with just one opinion. I hope not to ever intentionally offend anyone but at the same time I hope to have a benefical debate over our goverment, morals and nation.
It’s all Bush and Israel’s fault anyway. As soon as Obama throws Israel under the bus there will be peace in the mideast and the homegrown jihadits will be appeased.
June 15th, 2009 at 7:25 amWhat is Mitt talking about? When did Obama apologize? Geez, I must have missed that milestone>
June 15th, 2009 at 12:13 pmPlantinseeds Says:
Thanks for stopping by, Plantinseeds. Don’t worry, I don’t think that you have offended anyone.
Just a little background for you (and for TPaine2009, too):
First of all, on the weekend TP has a lot fewer threads, so the few that are up tend to wander way far away from topic;
Second, the ‘regulars’ here get a tad upset when a stranger, or one of the usual trolls, opens up his or her first comment with a blanket insult about liberals/progressives, and we usually smack back pretty quickly, usually in kind**;
And third, there are lots of intelligent people here who would truly enjoy intelligent and polite discourse with like people who hold opposing views–this used to happen more often in the before-time, but obviously this past campaign, election, and inauguration have had an affect on the public discourse as well as on the internets.
**Most of the swapping of insults that you see above are between TP regulars and, to us, well-known trolls who contribute nothing to the conversation. Mr. Paine, the ‘Bush = Bad’ stuff started with the troll Proud’s comment (Proud Says: Let me save all of you lots of time. I will sum up every post on TP: Obama….Good Bush….Bad). I’m sorry, but we have simply lost our patience with Proud and his ilk.
Anyway, welcome, hope you stop by and comment again.
June 15th, 2009 at 9:48 pm