McCain: ‘I Hope That We Will Act’ Against Iran
McCain: ‘I Hope That We Will Act’ Against Iran
Today, thousands of Iranians took to the streets to protest the election results declaring Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the winner — results Vice President Biden said yesterday he had “doubts” about. Speaking on Fox News this morning, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) condemned the Iranian election as a “sham,” declaring, “I hope that we will act“:
MCCAIN: It really is a sham that they’ve pulled off, and I hope that we will act. [...]
CARLSON: How will the Obama administration react to this? Will they come out directly and say that this is unconscionable, that this can go on when they claim to be a democracy, or will they take an easier tact [sic] on it?
MCCAIN: Well, initial reports by, quote, administration officials, are that they say that they’re not going to change their policy of dialogue, et cetera, et cetera. I think they should be condemned, and it’s obvious that this was a rigged election and depriving the people of their democratic rights. We are for human rights all over the world.
Watch it:
As with McCain’s impetuous response to the Georgia crisis last summer, his first reaction to the events in Iran is condemnation and a call to “act.” By contrast, the Obama administration seems to understand that knowing when not to act is just as strategically important as knowing when to do so, and that the most productive thing the United States can do for Iran’s reform movement — and human rights — at the moment is to keep itself, to the extent possible, out of the equation.
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As frustrated as I get with Obama sometimes, I thank FSM everyday that McCain is not our President.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:17 pmYeah right, you senile coot, that’s all we need-another war.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:19 pmFunny, I don’t remember Iran “acting” at all during the Bush v. Gore and Bush v. Kerry elections…
June 15th, 2009 at 1:20 pmFSM be praised…”Arrrgh”.
I do wish, however, that Obama would speak out about the media blockade and lend his support for the rights of the populace to demonstrate peacefully.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:21 pmWhat right does America have to act? How would McCain have reacted if Iran “acted” during our Gore v. Bush election?
June 15th, 2009 at 1:21 pmWell, that’s the difference between a poker player and a craps player…
June 15th, 2009 at 1:21 pmHere we go again with the call to war to ’support Democracy’.
Short answer John Boy, the Iranians aren’t really all that in favor of the US flavor of democracy.
Sort of like the Iraqis.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:21 pmMcCain wants the Obama administration to overreact and do something stupid like Bush did. This is the damned if you do and damned if you don’t strategy and double talk I’d expect from the Republican Establishment/Military Industrialists. Wrong Way McCain–My country wrong or wrong.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:22 pmI swear I didn’t see your post before I submitted mine, Luis Chapulin M.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:22 pmPardon my capslock but…WAR IS NOT THE ONLY ANSWER!
June 15th, 2009 at 1:23 pmTranslation: “We are for pretending that Iranians have human rights until such time as Israel wants to go ahead and turn Iran into a sheet of glass.”
June 15th, 2009 at 1:23 pmPatrioticLiberalChristianMantisReligiosa Says:
I swear I didn’t see your post before I submitted mine, Luis Chapulin M.
No problemo, it’s such a good point that deserves to be mentioned twice (or more) :)
June 15th, 2009 at 1:24 pm“…depriving the people of their democratic rights. We are for human rights all over the world.”
Riiiiight, like when we kidnap, torture, and murder, and then let the war criminals committing these crimes go without punishment. Yep, Mr. McCain, we are obviously “for human rights all over the world” and would never “deprive people of their democratic rights.” Nah!
June 15th, 2009 at 1:24 pmI wonder if Dick Cheney is cackling like a Bond villain over this.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:26 pmWTF? Is he nuts? Yeah, that’s just what we need! Another friggin war! I think McCain has been hanging out with Lieberman too much.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:26 pmLuis Chapulin M Says:
Funny, I don’t remember Iran “acting” at all during the Bush v. Gore and Bush v. Kerry elections…
June 15th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
PatrioticLiberalChristianMantisReligiosa Says:
What right does America have to act? How would McCain have reacted if Iran “acted” during our Gore v. Bush election?
June 15th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Ha! Great minds!
June 15th, 2009 at 1:27 pmisn’t part of allowing iran to have a strong democracy allowing the iranian people to act for themselves.
botched and rigged elections happen frequently all over the world. (if you study up you’ll notice we’ve had our hands in a great many)
there is no cause for action right now, unless you’re thirsty for the blood of iranians, let them fight for their own democracy, their country will end up stronger for it, and their people will value their democracy that much more.
i think the best thing to do right now is to wait and see what happens.
certainly there would be no justification for us to do much else.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:27 pmAIO___Limbaugh Report:
While we’re on the topic of McCain, Limbaugh just today compared those we released from Gitmo to McCain’s treatment at the Hanoi Hilton.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:29 pmLimbaugh inferred that we treated the Gitmo detainees so well that they were swimming in the Atlantic after release, yet McCain came out of the HH with many broken bones.
Of course Limbaugh didn’t mention that McCain’s broken bones came from his Jet crashing and not his treatment at the HH.
You guys had better stop calling Grampy McSame a warmongering old coot.
You’re going to piss the old coot off.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:29 pmor will they take an easier tact [sic] on it?
Thank God McCain is not President! He would not have had the tact to take a reasonable tack. He would have just attacked. He’s not one of the sharpest tacks in the box.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:29 pmthanks mccain. i’ve been feeling a little disenchanted w/ Obama lateley….thanks for showing me it could be a lot worse.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:29 pmWow, they have rigged elections just like we did in 2000 and 2004.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:33 pmAmen #21
June 15th, 2009 at 1:34 pmSo does he want us to do what we did in Iraq? Haven’t we stuck our noses in enough over there? We have NO jurisdiction in their elections.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:34 pmMcLame wants Obama to crank up the beach boys and start singing ” bomb bomb Iran”. I thank my lucky stars everyday that this old coot lost.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:38 pmThe human rights of corporations, that is…
June 15th, 2009 at 1:42 pmWhen McCain says we should ‘act’, does he mean against Iran while they are in political turmoil, or is he talking about N Korea? It’s hard to tell with these facist neocon imbeciles now days.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:43 pmCARLSON: “Senator McCain, as the guy who LOST in 2008, and as a member of a minority party led by everyone BUT you, can you tell me how the Obama administration, which you have no particular access to, WILL react? What insight can your experience provide us?”
McCAIN: “Well as a former presidential candidate and ex-pow who bought sunglasses in Baghdad, my experience tells me that I can tell you what administration officials just told the press; and you won’t notice that I haven’t thought a damn thing about it all, but it sounds like I have by my simply interjecting unnecessary air quotes into a news-wire report that I’m repeating more or less verbatim.”
CARLSON: Well, thanks for padding the time between commercials, Senator.
McCAIN: I’m pretty sure its what I was re-elected to do(chuckle). Happy to oblige.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:43 pmAIO Says:
AIO___Limbaugh Report:
Limbaugh inferred that we treated the Gitmo detainees so well that they were swimming in the Atlantic after release*, yet McCain came out of the HH with many broken bones.
*: (not including those detainees which killed themselves in despair).
June 15th, 2009 at 1:45 pmAmerican moral arrogance and hypocrisy. Please tell me this is looking more and more ridiculous to people. If we were for human rights all over the world, we would care more about Chinese humans rights abuses, have done something in Burma, Africa, or anywhere else that isn’t immediately financially expedient for us to do so.
I wonder if this illusion of American exceptionalism is cracking.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:45 pmJust clamp a knife in his teeth and parachute him into Tehran. “Action” Johnny’ll solve it! You go git ‘em Action Johnny!
Oh, good Lord… I am sooooo glad he lost.
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OptimisticMF Says:
I do wish, however, that Obama would speak out about the media blockade and lend his support for the rights of the populace to demonstrate peacefully.
There aren’t any Iranians sitting at home going “should we join the protests? Let’s wait to see what Obama thinks.” Nothing we could say will affect events on the ground the slightest bit. This needs a few more days to shake out.
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Luis Chapulin M Says:
Funny, I don’t remember Iran “acting” at all during the Bush v. Gore and Bush v. Kerry elections…
The argument could be made that they influenced Carter/Reagan by totally flipping out at an inopportune moment.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:46 pmOnce again, like every Rethuglican, Grampy has only a hammer….and when you only have a hammer, every problem gets nailed. By all means, let’s pull troops out of Iraq & Afganistan and rush right over and register our disapproval of their election results. When are Rethuglicans ever gonna learn that we can’t rule the world and we can stick our noses in everybody’s business just to try to make them like OUR glorious country, where 50 Million are uninsured and people are losing their jobs and houses every day. Nah, I’m sure the Iranians want us to re-make their country to be just like ours.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:46 pmHere’s what McCain told hannity the other day:
His first solution is always military, so between Iraq, Afghanistan, NKorea and Iran, we’re gonna have to raise the Selective Service age to 65 and actually start encouraging gays to recruit. And of course Captain America would like us to act Unilaterally, because that’s been working out for us so well…
June 15th, 2009 at 1:46 pmMcCain wants Obama to “act”? What does he mean by that exactly? Bombs away? Oh yeah, that’ll really help moderate Iran.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:46 pmAccording to McCain and company we should just take over the whole world (for its own good) and be done with it.
What they miss is we can’t. And it pisses them off.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:47 pmHey great idea — let’s act impetuously before all the facts are out so we have to back off (or justify it with idiotic rationalizations) later. Thanks for reminding the electorate why we voted you jackanapeses out of office.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:49 pmYes, #21. Obama is not my favorite person right now, but McThusaleh opening his mouth reminded me it could be a lot worse.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:49 pmPatrioticLiberalChristianMantisReligiosa Says:
or will they take an easier tact [sic] on it?
Thank God McCain is not President! He would not have had the tact to take a reasonable tack. He would have just attacked. He’s not one of the sharpest tacks in the box.
I’m just glad you didn’t post a tacky comment.
(What the heck is stuck to my shoe?….. why do I feel like I’m in a WC Fields skit?…..)
June 15th, 2009 at 1:51 pmYeah, until this election, I didn’t even know that Ahmadinejad was a Republican.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:52 pmMcCain is just another worthless lying imperialist. He didn’t say shit in 2000 when Bush and the GOP stole our democracy with their fascist coup. He didn’t say shit in 2004 when the Bush gangsters flipped some seven million (7,000,000) Kerry votes into Bush votes electronically and stole the election in 2004. So much for defending democracy, Mr. McCain.
The USofA should butt out of Iran. We destroyed their democracy in 1953 and put in the tyrant Shah. In 1980, we gave WMD (poison gas) to Saddam and the Iraqis and egged them on to attack Iran to try to destroy their revolution of 1979, in which they toppled the dictator Shah. That war of aggression went on for eight (8) years.
We should butt out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and Iran. And old fart Senator McWar should just shut his stupid mouth.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:53 pmHoodathunktick Says:
According to McCain and company we should just take over the whole world (for its own good) and be done with it.
ever read the PNAC mission statemant?…..
June 15th, 2009 at 1:53 pmWAR, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
, Edwin Starr
June 15th, 2009 at 1:55 pmI just did a google search on this topic and TP’s Wonk Room pops up thanks to a post by Matt Duss from today called:
McCain Reminds U.S. Of Bullet It Dodged In November
a snippet:
As with McCain’s impetuous response to the Georgia crisis last summer, his first reaction to the events in Iran is condemnation and a call to “act.” Fortunately, we have an administration in power that understands that knowing when not to act is as strategically important as knowing when to do so, and that the most productive thing the United States can do for Iran’s reform movement — and human rights — at the moment is to keep itself, to the extent possible, out of the equation.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:56 pmOvert (or even possibly covert) U.S. government support for regime change in Iran would instantly de-legitimize whoever we supported. Iranians remember how their democracy was snatched away by Americans in 1953.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:57 pmYou’re right Oval, this country does have a history of backing thugs – we took it personally, for example, when Castro bounced Bautista, because Bautista was such a mellow, likeable sort. And why The People never embraced those Salvadorian death squads is a mystery…
Chavez better watch it as well, or he’s gonna make The List.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:58 pmwait…how is it “obvious that this is a rigged election”? I understand that there are some outstanding questions to be answered, and an investigation has been called by the ayatollah. but we don’t “KNOW” anything for certain.
you want us to act against a nation on poorly founded intelligence?! what the heck, man! we would never be so stupid as to…do…that…wait…dammit
June 15th, 2009 at 1:59 pmBelligerence.
That’s what McCain, Republicans and many conservative Democrats demand. Let’s call it what it is:
June 15th, 2009 at 1:59 pmBelligerence.
One more shot of trying to flush our country down the reich winged sewer that bull shit bush and many in our administrations want to do….Let’s see technecly we are supporting 4 war’s now. Iraq, Pakistan, Afganistan, and whom ever Israel decides to bomb the shit out of at any given moment with our money and bomb’s…F**k.. I’m sick of them all….What we need is to start over, clean out all our administrations, jail the guilty and put Peace keepers in office…P.B. & J
June 15th, 2009 at 2:01 pmYou know, we find a country acting perfectly along democratic principles, with a stellar record of achievements, and with all participants engaging in the process in an honest and efficient manner, where the work of the nation is done effectively, honestly, and enthusiastically. Where corruption and fraud have been non-existant, or at least completley removed. Where the rule of law is obeyed by all without exception, and justice is served to all without exception. Where multiple ideas find common ground in legitimate compromise (the end result of the ideal of democracy), and where the people of the nation prosper above all else. Well, such a country would be a good country to go to others struggling with the democratic process.
ALL OTHER COUNTRIES NEED TO MIND THEIR OWN G0DDAMN BUSINESS!
(p.s. the above fictional country does not exist, except in the lunatic minds of the alternate reality of the repulic fascist party, who refer to this delusion as “American Exceptionalism”)
June 15th, 2009 at 2:05 pmYeah, yeah… I DO know what “American Exceptionalism” is defined as, but I needed something. My hunger is making me a littel dizzy — I must go quest for food….
June 15th, 2009 at 2:09 pmI wish the world would have “acted” in 2000. Like we have any moral suasion to lecture about stolen elections! I always did like Gramps for his ironic sense of humor – even when he is unaware he just made a joke. Go ahead Republicans, lecture the world on the wrongs of rigging the vote! The only thing they would be interested in is learning how to emulate your style.
June 15th, 2009 at 2:13 pmSheesh if this isn’t reason enough to thank our lucky stars that McCain was not elected president.
All we need it more cowboy theatrics to land us in another unnecessary war. Time to mind our own business.
June 15th, 2009 at 2:14 pmI realize that McCain didn’t do so well in school. But shouldn’t he have a multiple choice question with more than one answer (A. Nuke ‘em) ?
June 15th, 2009 at 2:22 pmHey Grampy McSame, who put sanctions on us when your party rigged the 2000 and 2004 elections? I’ll wait.
June 15th, 2009 at 2:24 pmDumb Question:
Wasn’t there some debate about the Bush vs. Gore elections that spilled into the streets ?
June 15th, 2009 at 2:27 pmHey, wingers, just how many lasting democracies have been established by US military intervention? Overt or covert, to make it easy on you.
Just a hint, Iran is obviously not one.
June 15th, 2009 at 2:31 pmAs long as his kids are in the first wave. Along with Bomber Bolton’s.
June 15th, 2009 at 2:31 pmAnd a bonus question…how many countries have been subverted by dictatorial shenanigans with elections?
Another hint…2000.
June 15th, 2009 at 2:32 pmThe Moderate Squad Says:
Here’s what McCain told hannity the other day:
Wait, you mean he’s just now figuring out that NK has artillery just on the other side of the DMZ? Like, just now? Like he hasn’t noticed them sitting there for the last fifty years?!?
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jonwisby Says:
WAR, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it again!
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CageyCretin Says:
Yeah, yeah… I DO know what “American Exceptionalism” is defined as…
I define it as Nationalist neo-Fascism.
June 15th, 2009 at 2:37 pmZooey is absolutely right at #1 — we should all be very grateful that JSM, the old warmonger, is not our president.
June 15th, 2009 at 2:40 pmIn an attempt to provide cover for Obama’s potentially disastrous decision to shut down Gitmo, the putrid, psychotic keith olbermann makes the outrageous claim that one of the terrorists released from Gitmo in 2007, said ali al-shihri, who has now become an al qaeda leader in Yemen, became a terrorist as the result of his stint in Gitmo. According to olbermann’s insane theory, he was just an innocent furniture salesman wrongly imprisoned and Bush turned him into a terrorist. His claim is that shihri went to Afghanistan to do relief work and went to Iran to purchase rugs. Such preposterous claims can only come from someone with a pathological hatred for Bush and a sycophantic worship of obama. The night before, Olbermann encouraged a former detainee to sue America and president Bush. In a program back in August he defended bin laden’s driver.
http://fieryspiritedzionist.blogspot.com/2009/02/olbermann-defends-gitmo-terrorists.html
June 15th, 2009 at 2:43 pm“We are for human rights all over the world.”
Except in The United States of America, of course!!
It really is a sham that they’ve pulled off, and I hope that we will act. [...]
The fundamentals of this statement are as strong as the fundamentals of our economy in late 2008.
June 15th, 2009 at 2:45 pmEight years of a belligerent, petulant, bellicose boy-king wasn’t enough for McCain and fellow repugs — they want conflict and war — they like bombs and guns. Words, tact, diplomacy, are mysterious to them.
June 15th, 2009 at 2:45 pmWords, tact, diplomacy, are mysterious to them.
How many sanctions did the un put against hussein before the invasion and how many yrs did they span apart? I await your answer.
June 15th, 2009 at 2:47 pmAmerican Patriot @62
Thank you for reinforcing my love for Keith Olbermann (a real American Hero!)
June 15th, 2009 at 2:50 pmGee, another troll using the flag and patriotism while he asks questions about a dictator who, surprise, responded to sanctions since no WMD’s were found, no evidence of violation was found after an illegal invasion.
AP, best check your dictionary.
June 15th, 2009 at 2:53 pmIraq began playing hide-and-seek with UN inspectors in 1991. In December 1998, Saddam stopped all cooperation with the UN, refusing to let any weapons inspectors into the country.
June 15th, 2009 at 2:54 pmAmerican Patriot Says:
According to olbermann’s insane theory, he was just an innocent furniture salesman wrongly imprisoned and Bush turned him into a terrorist. His claim is that shihri went to Afghanistan to do relief work and went to Iran to purchase rugs.
June 15th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
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Actually, that’s not Olbermann’s insane theory. It’s the insane theory of the Summary of Evidence memos issued by the Department of Defense at US Naval Base Guantanamo Bay.
June 15th, 2009 at 2:55 pmPo, po, AmPat, his tax dollars just might go to pay for people who were detained, never charged.
June 15th, 2009 at 2:56 pmHow many sanctions did the un put against hussein before the invasion and how many yrs did they span apart? I await your answer.
At least as many as Israel has had. Arte you saying we should invade Israel?
Iraq began playing hide-and-seek with UN inspectors in 1991. In December 1998, Saddam stopped all cooperation with the UN, refusing to let any weapons inspectors into the country.
So what? He was allowing them to do their jobs when Bush unilaterally decided to attack. Must suck to be on the wrong side of history, but buck up little soldier, Obama’s fixing his messes.
June 15th, 2009 at 2:57 pmSo what?
Says the debunked.
June 15th, 2009 at 2:59 pmIn July 1998, Iraq seized from the hands of UNSCOM inspectors an Iraqi Air Force document indicating that Iraq had misrepresented the expenditure of over 6,000 bombs which may have contained over 700 tons of chemical agent. Iraq continues to refuse to provide this document to the UN.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:00 pmSays the debunked.
You’re ignorant, and a waste of keystrokes.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:00 pmGee, another day of american pee flooding the threads…Looks like he/ she got the morning memo of limpdicks and what to comment on..My boots aren’t tall enough to wade through it’s crap so I’m off to hug the tree’s…You all have fun washing all it’s piss off every thread while I’m gone, Please and Thank you in advance..P. B. & J
June 15th, 2009 at 3:01 pmThe righties have their shorts in a knot today because Panetta said it seemed that Cheney was wishing for an attack on America.
It’s pretty obvious isn’t it?
But unfortunately, Dems and the White House are beginning to crawdad from that comment today. Why everyone is so afraid to anger the wingers is amazing to me. So what if they have a tantrum — who’s in charge now?
June 15th, 2009 at 3:01 pmHow did they treat Dems for the past decade or more?
Time for a dose of their own medicine.
A furniture salesmen went to Persia to buy rugs!?!?!?
How ridiculous! Who would ever beieve such an outlandish tale?
June 15th, 2009 at 3:02 pmIn July 1998, Iraq seized from the hands of UNSCOM inspectors an Iraqi Air Force document indicating that Iraq had misrepresented the expenditure of over 6,000 bombs which may have contained over 700 tons of chemical agent.
Which has been inert for at least a decade. The stuff in my kitchen is more dangerous.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:02 pmDarn them! I say we should invade!!!!!
June 15th, 2009 at 3:04 pmWar Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity
Saddam Hussein seized power in 1979. The list of war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by Saddam Hussein and his regime is a long one. It includes:
• The use of poison gas and other war crimes against Iran and the Iranian people during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war. Iraq summarily executed thousands of Iranian prisoners of war as a matter of policy.
• The “Anfal” campaign in the late 1980’s against the Iraqi Kurds, including the use of poison gas on cities. In one of the worst single mass killings in recent history, Iraq dropped chemical weapons on Halabja in 1988, in which as many as 5,000 people — mostly civilians — were killed.
• Crimes against humanity and war crimes arising out of Iraq’s 1990-91 invasion and occupation of Kuwait.
• Crimes against humanity and possibly genocide against Iraqi Kurds in northern Iraq. This includes the destruction of over 3,000 villages. The Iraqi government’s campaign of forced deportations of Kurdish and Turkomen families to southern Iraq has created approximately 900,000 internally displaced citizens throughout the country.
• Crimes against humanity and possibly genocide against Marsh Arabs and Shi’a Arabs in southern Iraq. Entire populations of villages have been forcibly expelled. Government forces have burned their houses and fields, demolished houses with bulldozers, and undertaken a deliberate campaign to drain and poison the marshes. Thousands of civilians have been summarily executed.
• Possible crimes against humanity for killings, ostensibly against political opponents, within Iraq.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:04 pmI’ve got one word for you, Grampy: ARICEPT
June 15th, 2009 at 3:04 pmHow ironic in light of posting at 69…lol, thanks chiroptera toasterhead…
June 15th, 2009 at 3:05 pmAmerican Patriot Says:
Iraq continues to refuse to provide this document to the UN.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
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Awww, how sweet. We didn’t just bring Iraq democracy, but American exceptionalism as well!
You must be so proud! :)
June 15th, 2009 at 3:06 pmAmerican Patriot Says:
Saddam Hussein seized power in 1979. The list of war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by Saddam Hussein and his regime is a long one.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
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So?
June 15th, 2009 at 3:07 pmAmerican Patriot Says:
So, you expect us to believe some Zionist’s blog? I have a news flash for you – some of the most vile, most disgusting, and most wrong people on this planet have been Zionists. Do not expect your source to be taken seriously by anyone who thinks.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:07 pmHow ironic in light of posting at 69…lol, thanks chiroptera toasterhead…
That link proved nothing.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:07 pm1#Zoey
Beautifully said!!!!
June 15th, 2009 at 3:08 pmBunch of crazy libruls. They just wrote that report because they hate Bush.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:08 pmAND In another reality…
Action…
[Zoom in Oval Office]
[Pan to Sec. Defence Joe Scarborough]
Mr. MCCain the Iranians are revolting over their suspected tainted election I recommend we give Israel the go ahead.
[Close-up MCCain]
We should at, we should act, uh we should act at at attack ack
[hack cough] act.
[Pan Scaryborough]
You said that Mr. President, what do what to do…
[Pan MCCain]
we should bomb Iran with messages of our outrage!
[Pan Sarah Palin by steel case]
[Zoom close up Palin's hand pressing the button starting WWIII]
[Voice Over MCCain]
NO SARAH WAIT!! That’s not what I meant!
Don’t touch that!
No wait Sarah that’s not…
Oh hell it’s nap time anyway.
[MCCAIN naps on couch]
[pan back wide angle outside White House]
[cue Hysterical giggle Palin]
[Palin voice over]
Well we sure showed them, you betcha :)
June 15th, 2009 at 3:09 pmHey MacCocaine! What do you mean by that? Another brutal military dictatorship supported by the USA?
June 15th, 2009 at 3:09 pmIt was intended as reference only…so there wouldn’t have to be a huge blockquote…or are you as unfamiliar with message boards as you are with critical thinking?
Never mind, don’t bother to reply I don’t care what you try to ‘think‘…
June 15th, 2009 at 3:11 pmAlso of note, on the Thursday, August 7, Countdown, one night after accusing President Bush of not doing enough to protect America from Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda organization before the September 11th attacks, Olbermann seemed sympathetic to the plight of bin Laden’s former driver, Salim Hamdan, and expressed outrage that the Pentagon might keep him imprisoned beyond the time of his sentence. Olbermann: “So, besides urinating on the Constitution and the rights and freedoms every American soldier has ever fought to win and protect, the Bush administration has now decided that when its victims have actually served their sentences, doled out under its own medieval, quote, ‘justice,’ unquote, system, it still might not choose to set them free, thereby giving that Constitution and our country a second pass on the way out.”
No, it is YOU olbermann that is urinating on our Constitution, our flag and our solders who risked their lives along with others who lost their lives to capture these terrorists. And furthermore, foreign enemies captured on foreign battlefields are not subjected to American constitutional rights. They are not common criminals, they are waging war against us.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:11 pmLate breaking news from 2001…UN calls for inspections of aggressive country suspected of having WMD’s, including nuclear, biological and chemical in nature. Said country responds by ignoring all UN inquiries, recommendations and requests and proceeds to invade another country.
Some trolls think the US has this innate responsibility to patrol the world, making it safe for democracy. What they overlook is that, we only claim it when there is money in it for us.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:11 pmThe American “Patriot” shows his stupid face on TP once again, loudly proclaiming all the shit he absolutely know for sure — that just ain’t so.
Dismissed.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:12 pmScaring the shit out of piss-soaked trolls: Olbermann is doing it right.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:14 pmAmerican Patriot Says:
And furthermore, foreign enemies captured on foreign battlefields are not subjected to American constitutional rights. They are not common criminals, they are waging war against us.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
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So you agree, then, that they’re prisoners of war whose detention is covered by the Geneva Conventions?
June 15th, 2009 at 3:17 pmFor which country are they fighting? To which army do they belong? POWs are released after a war is over. When will this supposed war end so our POWs can be released?
June 15th, 2009 at 3:18 pmIt is always enlightening when a trollish stooge lists “crimes against humanity’ committed by a government that was established with US support.
It is also enlightening when the “crimes against humanity” include brutish torture, which the right wing is claiming is perfectly ok when ‘defending one’s country’.
It is also enlightening when said stooges claim a war to stop what we not only started and condoned is justified and requires that we use the same tactics we are fighting to end.
Keep up the good work, trolls.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:19 pmRepublicans no longer follow our laws. They have become a party of international and national criminals.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:20 pmAlso, it’s interesting to note that American Patriot has not once denounced the practice of running over a box of laborador puppies with a steamroller. Until such time as he/she condemns this, we should refer to him/her as American Puppykiller.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:23 pmAnd furthermore, foreign enemies captured on foreign battlefields are not subjected to American constitutional rights.
Just out of curiousity, does that include those sold for bounty? Or the ones taken in allied countries and illegally transported to detention centers?
Just curious.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:24 pmForeign battlefields. How many detainees in Gitmo were taken by US soldiers on the ‘battlefield’ in Afghanistan in Iraq?
June 15th, 2009 at 3:26 pmThere are benefits for McCain with this. At least none of his seven houses or fifteen cars are in Iran right now.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:26 pmAmerican Patriot Says:
Olbermann: “So, besides urinating on the Constitution and the rights and freedoms every American soldier has ever fought to win and protect, the Bush administration has now decided that when its victims have actually served their sentences, doled out under its own medieval, quote, ‘justice,’ unquote, system, it still might not choose to set them free, thereby giving that Constitution and our country a second pass on the way out.”
No, it is YOU olbermann that is urinating on our Constitution, our flag and our solders who risked their lives along with others who lost their lives to capture these terrorists.
If only you know what you were talking about, you wouldn’t come off sounding so ignorant. For the record, those soldiers risked their lives to defend the Constitution of the United States. And Olbermann correctly pointed out that the Bush Administration had a habit of treating the Constitution as optional.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:27 pmAmerican Patriot says: Also of note, on the Thursday, August 7, Countdown….blah blah blah
Oooooh, I remember THAT one! It was Keith at his glorious best!
June 15th, 2009 at 3:27 pmHave I mentioned how much I LOVE that courageous, honorable man?
Is it just me or does a certain troll have a golden shower fixation?
June 15th, 2009 at 3:31 pmAmerican Patriot Says:
How many sanctions did the un put against hussein before the invasion and how many yrs did they span apart? I await your answer.
You mean the sanctions that demanded he turned over nonexistent WMD’s? Would have gone on forever I guess.
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American Patriot Says:
Iraq continues to refuse to provide this document to the UN.
Probably because it doesn’t exist.
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American Patriot Says:
Saddam Hussein seized power in 1979. The list of war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by Saddam Hussein and his regime is a long one.
Yes, Saddam Hussein was a bad guy. We didn’t like him either. You are an imbecile; not only is your pet subject completely off topic, it’s also completely pointless. This isn’t a pro-Saddam board.
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American Patriot Says:
Also of note, on the Thursday, August 7, Countdown…
Quit your whining. So what if Olbermann kicks your ass on a nightly basis? We’re not your momma, don’t come crying to us.
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American Patriot Says:
And furthermore, foreign enemies captured on foreign battlefields are not subjected to American constitutional rights.
The American Constitution is binding on the American Executive branch, which gets its authority from that document. The Supreme Court (also authorized by the same Constitution) has ruled that not only do many Constitutional rights apply to non-citizens, but also that Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions apply to everyone regardless of their “status.”
So you rant about whatever you want, but I’m going with the SCOTUS. Because, unlike you, I do believe in the Constitution.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:34 pmI’d ask you kindly AP #92 to site ONE example or situation where Olbermann has “messed” on the Constitution…
Then I realized in your fantasy world the “Constitution” is actually the New Reich Fundamentalist Bible edition 41
(41 = DA you figure out the symbolism) and of course not agreeing with any puerile thought in your head is tantamount to blasphemy…
Oh well,
Hey look 24 is on… better hurry and get your Reich wing injection for the night…
June 15th, 2009 at 3:37 pmMcCain: “It’s obvious this was a rigged election”– interesting how he knows this to be a fact. While many people are suspicious, no real proof is available, yet McCain knows. Perhaps he should share his proof. It was just as obvious that Bush & co. stole the U.S. election, yet McCain didn’t call people to act, did he?
June 15th, 2009 at 3:38 pmHoodathunktick Says:
Is it just me or does a certain troll have a golden shower fixation?
June 15th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
I hope it’s the troll. ;)
June 15th, 2009 at 3:45 pmShorter McCain: Ahh, protestors, BOMB BOMB BOMB!!
June 15th, 2009 at 3:48 pmZooey Says:
I hope it’s the troll. ;)
June 15th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
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I was just about to respond with a “can’t it be both?” but you beat me to it.
Well played, Zooey, well plated.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:50 pmHey wait a second…
Didn’t MCCain say during the debates that HE knew where Osama was and how to get him?
Why hasn’t he shared with anyone?
He should get on that before he tackles “acting” against Iran.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:53 pmMcCain: Did you see Mousavi run that red light? BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN!!!
June 15th, 2009 at 3:53 pmWho’s the troll sporting permanent “chub” for Mr. Olbermann?
June 15th, 2009 at 3:53 pmZooey Says:
Hoodathunktick Says:
Is it just me or does a certain troll have a golden shower fixation?
I hope it’s the troll. ;)
Remind me to be more careful of my wording in the future.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:57 pmAhmadeinjad: Diebold Accuvote — best investment ever.
June 15th, 2009 at 3:57 pmI’ve always wondered how much money John McCain received from the Zionists throughout his career. Talk about owning someome’s ass. For awhile there, I thought he and Joe Lieberman were going to get married.
June 15th, 2009 at 4:08 pmAmeerikan dufus says:
Hmm, I wonder just where Saddam got all those nasty things from.
June 15th, 2009 at 4:09 pmIf you say the Ronnie(Bonzo)Ray-gun administration, you are correct.
The Angry Republican Says:
Hey wait a second…
Didn’t MCCain say during the debates that HE knew where Osama was and how to get him?
That’s an excellent point. Perhaps whoever interviews him next should ask him about that. They should also ask why he was willing to hold the entire nation hostage unless they elected him president. He said he wouldn’t reveal what he knew unless he won the election. Was he simply lying during the campaign, or does he want bin Laden to strike us again? Based on what McCain himself has said, it’s a valid question.
June 15th, 2009 at 4:10 pmJohn McCain knows as much about bin Laden as he knew about choosing a VP candidate.
Or what he knows about rational foreign policy.
Or what he knows about American Idol.
June 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pmdasm Says:
McCain: “It’s obvious this was a rigged election”– interesting how he knows this to be a fact. While many people are suspicious, no real proof is available, yet McCain knows.
I’m pretty convinced, but for a public official to say so without evidence is merely irresponsible.
June 15th, 2009 at 4:23 pmkrystalview Says:
Oooooh, I remember THAT one! It was Keith at his glorious best!
Have I mentioned how much I LOVE that courageous, honorable man?
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Hoodathunktick Says:
Is it just me or does a krystalview have a golden shower fixation?
June 15th, 2009 at 4:31 pm——————-
American Patriot Says:
War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity
Saddam Hussein seized power in 1979. The list of war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by Saddam Hussein and his regime is a long one. It includes:
• The use of poison gas and other war crimes against Iran and the Iranian people during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war. Iraq summarily executed thousands of Iranian prisoners of war as a matter of policy.
The same chemicals sold to him by the United States.
• The “Anfal” campaign in the late 1980’s against the Iraqi Kurds, including the use of poison gas on cities. In one of the worst single mass killings in recent history, Iraq dropped chemical weapons on Halabja in 1988, in which as many as 5,000 people — mostly civilians — were killed.
Provider: US.
• Crimes against humanity and war crimes arising out of Iraq’s 1990-91 invasion and occupation of Kuwait.
Invasion ok’s by Bush sr. April Gaspie, his representative, told Saddam the US wouldn’t interfere, before the invasion.
• Crimes against humanity and possibly genocide against Iraqi Kurds in northern Iraq. This includes the destruction of over 3,000 villages. The Iraqi government’s campaign of forced deportations of Kurdish and Turkomen families to southern Iraq has created approximately 900,000 internally displaced citizens throughout the country.
With material support by a republican president.
Crimes against humanity and possibly genocide against Marsh Arabs and Shi’a Arabs in southern Iraq. Entire populations of villages have been forcibly expelled. Government forces have burned their houses and fields, demolished houses with bulldozers, and undertaken a deliberate campaign to drain and poison the marshes. Thousands of civilians have been summarily executed.
• Possible crimes against humanity for killings, ostensibly against political opponents, within Iraq.
All done on a republican president’s watch. Your point?
That republican presidents coddle genocidal dictators?
Thanks, but we already knew that.
June 15th, 2009 at 4:38 pmIt is always refreshing when a sympathy troll crosses over.
AmPat, little buddy, you obviously missed that I caught flack for that comment.
But if you care to comment on the many other requests for rational debate, please feel free to do so.
June 15th, 2009 at 4:39 pmI recommend barfly’s post. An excellent place to start consuming that crow.
June 15th, 2009 at 4:40 pmAmerican Patriot Says:
War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity
Saddam Hussein seized power in 1979. The list of war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by Saddam Hussein and his regime is a long one.
We shed no tears from the death of Saddam Hussain. Way to go, USA. Ziz boom rah. Go go power rangers, etc etc etc.
It’s the subsequent death and displacement of hundreds of thousands of iraqi civilians (which you neocons are directly and indirectly responsible for), that we’re against. You royally screwed the pooch, so to speak.
June 15th, 2009 at 5:23 pmYes McMoron. Let’s start a whole other war! We don’t need an economy and I’m sure those troops’ families will do fine with more of their loved ones dying! *snark*
Anyone else besides me really glad we don’t have an idiot in the White House?
June 15th, 2009 at 5:27 pmHow does McCain propose we “act”? We already have no diplomatic relations with Iran. We already have sanctions against them on every level we could manage. Thanks to previous administrations, we essentially have no leverage against them.
Maybe Mr. McCain is suggesting that we respond to the plight of the Iranian people who have had their rights taken away by bombing them?
June 15th, 2009 at 5:49 pmZooey:
Well said, wise Pastafarian!
LOL
June 15th, 2009 at 5:59 pm(un)American (un)Patriot seems to be having a lot of the problems of the neocons.
In post 92, he states Gitmo prisoners to be waging war against the USA. But if so, they would fall under international law and international rules for justice. A failure to do so, is in itself, a war crime. But that hasn’t been done at all under geortie.
AP also follows the SOP of the neocons by arguing the crimes of Saddam Hussein. While a lot of people are decrying the lies of the USA about Hussain (see Colin Powell and UN, see aluminum tubes, see yellow cake), nobody is saying ths Hussein was a nice guy. Plus, AP is following SOP by conveniently forgetting that the USA intelligence community was highly instrumental in putting SH in power to begin with.
Ya just can’t forget the inconvenient facts because you don’t like them.
June 15th, 2009 at 6:21 pmOh, and before I’m asked, I say un-Anerican as you can’t use fabricated stories to shred the Constitution and the American Legal System.
June 15th, 2009 at 6:22 pmCould just one, just one prminent reporter put the question to McCain that when he was presidential hopeful McCain. He stated he, “knew how to get Bin Laden”. So ask him how he would do that and why he hasn’t volunteered that secret information for the country’s sake?
June 16th, 2009 at 1:44 amAs a pilot, Gramps crashed three times.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:50 amI know what you can do McCain. Remember when u sent Joe Lieberman and Lindsey Graham to Georgia, and you later announced that “WE are all Georgians”? Do the same thing with Iran. Send Lieberman and Lindsey to Iran, and then announce to the world that we are all Iranians. Did you think that we forgot? John McCain . . . GENIUS!
June 16th, 2009 at 2:12 amElection fraud? Hey who would know more about that than a Republickin’! It is refreshing to see Grandpa Munster up and out of the box!
June 16th, 2009 at 3:18 amen son videolar
June 16th, 2009 at 9:42 amen son videolar
Act like what? Start another war? The election in 2000 was just like this so what the f*** are you talking about? There are cheaters everywhere and we have no business in another countries election process.
June 16th, 2009 at 10:56 am