Georgia court ban on ‘exposing’ children to ‘homosexuals’ axed by state Supreme Court.
Georgia court ban on ‘exposing’ children to ‘homosexuals’ axed by state Supreme Court.
In 2007, Eric and Sandy Ehlers Mongerson divorced, and a Georgia trial judge awarded custody of their four children to Sandy and visitation rights to Eric. Inexplicably, the judge also held that Eric was “prohibited from exposing the children to his homosexual partners and friends.” Yesterday, the Georgia Supreme Court unanimously threw out the trial judge’s ban:
There is no evidence in the record before us that any member of the excluded community has engaged in inappropriate conduct in the presence of the children or that the children would be adversely affected by exposure to any member of that community. The prohibition against contact with any gay or lesbian person acquainted with Husband assumes, without evidentiary support, that the children will suffer harm from any such contact. Such an arbitrary classification based on sexual orientation flies in the face of our public policy that encourages divorced parents to participate in the raising of their children…and constitutes an abuse of discretion.
Georgia law permits a family court judge to prohibit a non-custodial parent from exposing their child to an individual who could have an “adverse effect on the best interests of the children,” but only if there is actual evidence suggesting such an adverse effect. Yesterday’s decision reaffirms the simple truth that there is no evidence that children are harmed in any way whatsoever by interacting with gay men and lesbians.
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This was wiped off the front page in short order, wasn’t it?
June 16th, 2009 at 8:32 pmthe judge also held that Eric was “prohibited from exposing the children to his homosexual partners and friends.”
– - Also included was Sen. John Ensign (R-eprobate) NV
June 16th, 2009 at 8:35 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
How’s that skirt fitting, today?
June 16th, 2009 at 8:37 pmAmerican Patriot Says:
Obama Promised To End ‘Secret Meetings’ And Make The White House The ‘People’s House’
– - That was SEVEN posts back. Please try and stay more current than your backward brethren in Georgia and the GOP in general.
June 16th, 2009 at 8:37 pmI don’t think “teh gay” is something you can catch but you wouldn’t know that by listening to these bigoted morons.
June 16th, 2009 at 8:37 pmAmerican Patriot Says:
Dr. Hussein Matt Says:
How’s that skirt fitting, today?
Wow now that was mature and witty… or something. I’m wondering who he stole it from.
June 16th, 2009 at 8:39 pmJohn Edwards based his Presidential run on the “Two Americas” theme, arguing that there was one America for the rich and another America for the poor. After witnessing the failure of the “Two Americas” platform, Barack Obama has now initiated his “Two Iran’s” platform. One Iran poses no threat to us, while the other is a “grave” threat.
http://constitutionallyright.com/2008/05/20/obama-and-the-two-irans/
June 16th, 2009 at 8:40 pmIs there anyone on the tp staff who ISN’T gay?
June 16th, 2009 at 8:47 pmGoo Goo Ga Ga?
June 16th, 2009 at 8:48 pmKudos to this court for getting it right on this issue…
June 16th, 2009 at 8:49 pmSamuel Wurzelbacher aka “Joe the Plumber,” well known for his EXTREME FEAR of gay and lesbian Americans, will be heading up the protests against this decision.
I guarantee it. The Wingnuts love that guy!
June 16th, 2009 at 8:50 pmFlagged, spamming, off topic again…
June 16th, 2009 at 8:51 pmon-topic (?):
haven’t read the opinion yet, but it seems to me that the georgia supreme court is teeing it up for wife’s attorney to get testimony showing some kind of adverse effect, satisfying the Georgia law, and resulting in an enforceable ban and/or restraining order.
June 16th, 2009 at 8:52 pmAP, your spewings are pretty much the political diagnosis of Acid Reflux.
June 16th, 2009 at 8:52 pmAmPat you ignorant piece of garbage the thread is still up if you want to comment about it. You are a stupid punkass troll. Why dont you just STFU if you cant contribute. If you want to change the subject why dont we change it to how stupid and pathetic you are.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:00 pmGeorgie has moved into the 21st Century. American Patriot has not.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:01 pmAmerican Patriot Says: 11
Are there any conservatives who arent stupider than dryer lint? Why dont you stop embarassing yourself exposing your staggering stupidity and STFU
June 16th, 2009 at 9:02 pmHi Dumbass.
The two Iranian’s:
The dangerous ones….the Mullahs.
The good ones….THE UNARMED POPULACE WHO WANTS CHANGE.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:06 pmpastcaring Says:
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Kudos to this court for getting it right on this issue…
Males blowing each other in front of kids is “getting it right?”
June 16th, 2009 at 9:07 pmInexplicably, the judge also held that Eric was “prohibited from exposing the children to his homosexual partners and friends.”
What’s so inexplicable about a little southern homophobia?
Amurken Paste-riot displays it hourly.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:07 pmSeems like Amurken PasteItRight knows an awful lot about the graphic private sex lives of the ex-husband. Got video AP?
June 16th, 2009 at 9:08 pmWhat I find revealing is that over at Americablog, John has realized that Obama is leaving the promises of gay equality he campaigned on twisting in the wind.
John isn’t saying, “Aww, let’s give him more time….” or “Let’s trust Obama…” He’s bluntly challenging Obama’s duplicity on the issues because he knows bullsh¡t when he sees it.
Many progressives aren’t so perceptive.
I agree with John’s approach. Put the fear ‘o God (the People) back into this weak-kneed, two-faced administration.
John is calling for putting away the checkbooks. I say call the local democratic chapters, the DNC and tell ‘em the gravy train stops until Barack finds his conscience and his backbone. Hang up on pollsters and contribution-seekers.
Evaporate the support for this line of selling out and excuse-making.
“Transparency,” should be the charge and the challenge. Solid hard-fought legislation should be the result.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:11 pmThe appearence of judicial activism in a conservitive state!
June 16th, 2009 at 9:13 pmThe decision was so bad their own supreme court had to step in and correct the decision.
The Conservitives are such fools.
American Patriot Says:
I suppose exposing YOUR kids to your trailertrash whore of a sister/wife blowing toothless truckers for pocketchange would be better. Did you ever find out which of your uncles was your daddy? Go down to the truckstop while your wife gives your mother a break. When she gets off her knees you can ask her. She probably wont know. All you inbred morons have trouble remembering things that happened more than ten seconds ago but you can give it a shot. Then you can take YOUR turn on your knees and give your poor mommy and sister a break.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:15 pmRUCeriousMaggot! Says:
Seems like Amurken PasteItRight knows an awful lot about the graphic private sex lives of the ex-husband. Got video AP?
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Probably not but he remembers how his “uncles” treated him during their alone time
June 16th, 2009 at 9:16 pm“I’ve got one television station that is entirely devoted to attacking my administration…That’s a pretty big megaphone. You’d be hard pressed if you watched the entire day to find a positive story about me on that front.”
Obama, today with CNBC
Can sombody call the whaaaambulance?
June 16th, 2009 at 9:17 pmSounds like a case of a far leftist judge legislating from the bench.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:18 pmAmerican Patriot
Can you just STFU since you are way too stupid to contribute in any way and your constant snivelling and unspeakable stupidity give me a headache. Isnt it time to spell your sister/wife at the truckstop? You inbred MORON
June 16th, 2009 at 9:18 pmI bet American Patriot has sex in front of children. All heterosexuals do, right AP?
June 16th, 2009 at 9:20 pmamerican patriot, does bill o rielly pay you to spout unsubstantiated speculation then back none of it? You certainly seem to have enough free time if not. We are done paying attention to you because you aren’t saying anything.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:21 pmAmPat. No one cares what someone as stupid and pathetic as YOU thinks about the law. YOU are too stupid to understand bazooka Joe bubblegum comix much less the law.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:21 pmI find it ironic that a person calling herself, “American Patriot”, is on here spouting how much she hates Americans.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:21 pmMeanwhile on PLANET EARTH another ‘d’ politician found with cold hard cash in his freezer..
June 16th, 2009 at 9:21 pmAmPat another inbred rightwing moron stinking up the site with troll turds. Doesnt it bother you to be so stupid and pathetic? Just go kill yourself. You are far too stupid to contribute to the world in any other way
June 16th, 2009 at 9:23 pmReally? Bill O’Reilly was caught with the $550 BILLION stolen in September 2008 during the run on the banks?
June 16th, 2009 at 9:23 pmWhy do heterosexuals have sex in front of children? *pointing microphone to Am Pat’s lips for an answer*
June 16th, 2009 at 9:24 pmKayInMaine Says:
How long have you been heterophobic?
June 16th, 2009 at 9:26 pmstjack Says:
on-topic (?):
haven’t read the opinion yet, but it seems to me that the georgia supreme court is teeing it up for wife’s attorney to get testimony showing some kind of adverse effect, satisfying the Georgia law, and resulting in an enforceable ban and/or restraining order.
I hope not. Some of the wording of the quote above gives me hope that that’s not the case (my bold):
The prohibition against contact with any gay or lesbian person acquainted with Husband assumes, without evidentiary support, that the children will suffer harm from any such contact. Such an arbitrary classification based on sexual orientation flies in the face of our public policy that encourages divorced parents to participate in the raising of their children…and constitutes an abuse of discretion.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:27 pmAmPat how long have YOU been an inbred moron and how long has your trailertrash whore of a mother been servicing lepers for pocketchange and when did she teach your sister/wife the business?
June 16th, 2009 at 9:27 pmJust go kill yourself AmPat you worthless piece of filth
June 16th, 2009 at 9:30 pmtestimony showing some kind of adverse effect,
Shouldn’t be too hard to do.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:30 pmWow. That’s some smelly desperation there.
Pee has to reach back three years to find a Democratic scandal. Unless there was another Democratic official caught with cash in his freezer that I haven’t heard about?
Nice going, Pee.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:30 pmAmPat just kill yourself PUNK. You add nothing to the world but a bad stench
June 16th, 2009 at 9:31 pmThe best part of this is that it was a unanimous decision of the court. That is a hopeful sign for Georgia. Now the question is how many wingnuts are going to call for the judges impeachment.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:33 pmpags2 Says
I agree. I think most of the sane world is getting past the bigotry and moving forward.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:35 pm“exposing the children to his homosexual partners and friends.”
How could that possibly be good?
June 16th, 2009 at 9:36 pmMust have missed that piece of information…did anyone else get that out of the post above or am I overlooking something here?
June 16th, 2009 at 9:37 pmAmerican Patriot still hasn’t answered the question I asked it last night:
AP, did you feel like a pawn when you served?
It is a chicken hawk scared punk who will be a college republiscum if it gets accepted at Liberty U, providing it ever gets a GED.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:38 pmAmerican Patriot Says:
Why would it be bad. You do know gay people exist right? So the kid knows too. Is there some reason to pretend gay people DONT exist even though his father IS one?
June 16th, 2009 at 9:43 pmSeems to me that “adverse effect on the best interests of the children “,is a definition open to considerable mindless interpretation.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:51 pmHence its appeal for Pee, the American Parrot.
June 16th, 2009 at 10:03 pmJeffy Bovine,
Do the children of your neighbors know what you do for a living, Bovine?
You explained to them that horsies also need to be milked at least once a day?
June 16th, 2009 at 10:05 pmamerican patriot says “Males blowing each other in front of kids is “getting it right?”
about as right as watching his new dad diving into his mom.
American Patriot…when do you graduate 6th grade….oh..summer school you say.
June 16th, 2009 at 10:11 pmSo how is it differant to being exposed to a gay teacher, coach, or older sibling ?
June 16th, 2009 at 10:12 pmJeebus, guys. Can we just flag the un-American “Patriot” and move on?
June 16th, 2009 at 10:21 pmThese conservatives want everyone to uphold their marriages and help them indoctrinate their children up to and including making children reject a parent for being gay.
June 16th, 2009 at 11:02 pmkdgamergirl Says:
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I don’t think “teh gay” is something you can catch but you wouldn’t know that by listening to these bigoted morons.
June 16th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
This view – one can’t catch “teh gay” – does seem to be the popular view, but it’s a view not held by everyone.
Perhaps the judge had read the following researcher, who seems to believe that “teh gay” is catchable, or at least teachable.
http://www.drtraycehansen.com/Pages/writings_prohomo.html
Pro-Homosexual Researchers Conceal Findings:
Children Raised by Openly Homosexual Parents More Likely to Engage in Homosexuality
Since an additional theme of the “popular view” is that no one wants to be gay, it makes sense for the judge to have the best interest of the children in mind when he does the sensible thing and moves to keep the children from a gay parent. Don’t you agree?
June 16th, 2009 at 11:34 pmbitblt seems to think that a researcher who uses the term “Pro-Homosexual Researchers” might have a shred of credibility on this board.
The report to which bit linked begins with this finding:
Studies thus far find between 8% and 21% of homosexually parented children ultimately identify as non-heterosexual. For comparison purposes, approximately 2% of the general population are non-heterosexual.
Note the asymmetrical language: “8% and 21% of homosexually parented children ultimately identify as non-heterosexual” as opposed to “approximately 2% of the general population are non-heterosexual”.
It includes the following note:
All social scientists who conduct research in this emotionally-charged area have personal biases. That’s a given. But if the authors of these studies want to be regarded as scientists, and not activists, they must set aside their biases and straightforwardly present their findings.
Yet the biases of this particular researcher, very much in evidence, do not seem to be “set aside”.
In fact, many believe the percentages of non-heterosexual children in these studies would be even greater if more of the children had been raised from birth by openly homosexual parents.
Since when is belief offered as scientific evidence for anything other than belief itself?
bit and Dr, Hansen do not seem to consider the very real possibility that the reason children of homosexual parents “ultimately identify as non-heterosexual” if these percentages continue to hold true may have more to do with the psychological acceptance of the possibility as normal rather than something of which to be ashamed, and thus are more free to accept it in themselves and to openly volunteer that as their identity. This, of course would require bit to give up his cherished “2% of the population” touchstone, which seems unlikely to happen without a struggle.
June 17th, 2009 at 12:11 amSpeaking for myself, no, I don’t agree.
But it’s good to know that your support for family values is so conditional.
June 17th, 2009 at 12:12 amAlso from the bit’s link above
http://www.drtraycehansen.com/Pages/writings_sexpref.html
At this link the researcher says she reviewed twenty-one studies. She also states her criteria for reviewing the studies.
This phrase “between 8% and 21%” is not asymmetrical language. It is simply a summary of the ranges of numbers found in the twenty-one studies.
You would be correct in assuming that bit understands family values not to include two same-same gender people as the parents. A family is mother and a father and their children. A family can be extended but is never two same-same gender people in place of a mother and a father.
June 17th, 2009 at 12:28 amCorrection:
http://www.drtraycehansen.com/Pages/writings_sexpref.html
Research says she reviewed nine of the twenty-one studies in which she found the percent of homosexual children to range from 8% to 21%.
June 17th, 2009 at 12:33 ambitblt Says:
Bit you are ignorant and you are a hateful bigot. You are stupid and Your biased Dr Hansen is only given any credibility by moronic hatemonger bigots like you. This woman isnt a researcher who did a study she is an anti GAY researcher who came up with a study that has the exact opposite conclusions of unbiased research. Of course you dont CARE if its true or not. You LOVE to be lied to. You only care about pushing your bigoted propaganda. So stuff your propaganda and bigots with degrees and an axe to grind. Show me a study the APA stands behind until then you are nothing but a hateful bigot who hides behind false civility to BE a hateful bigot
June 17th, 2009 at 1:27 amI’m being exposed to the existence of conservative dicks on a daily basis. It would be awful nice if I could keep the existence of bigoted warmongering torturers a secret from my kid. It would be great if I knew she’d never have to confront the fact that there are indeed subhuman murdering filth out in the world like American Patriot and bitblt. If Republican scum could be forced to keep their misbegotten foulness-spawning yaps shut in public places and at least try to pretend to be normal and decent like the rest of us. Because of them, my kid is going to have to face a lot of unpleasant truths growing up.
But unfortunately, I live in America. Unfortunately, they must be allowed to continue to practice their abnormal and disgusting lifestyle practice of trying to subvert equality and human rights right out in public, as if they were actual human beings, instead of soulless automatons, minions of Satan that I know them to be (practicing my freedom of religion).
Yes, the same laws that make them have to put up with teh gays also force the rest of us to have to put up with neocon vermin, rather than offer them a choice between reeducation camps and the extermination camps they deserve.
So maybe you wingnuts shouldn’t complain so much.
June 17th, 2009 at 1:41 amHow in the hell can one ban adults from looking the way people look and/or acting the way people want to act? Who will judge adults’ emotions? teabaggers? limpydic? craig? trolls?
What’s next teabaggers, banning people from coughing?
This is typical teabaggers’ “small government” do-as-I-say bs govbment. Then again it’s another typical repugs’ myopic view of the world. Their nonsense is against the order of nature. Out of sync with physics.
Georgia flag is for the losing ignat team. Old southern backwardass racist.
Gawd, why don’t repugs go away?
Maybe we need two democratic parties; The old dems meaning people such as reid, pelosi and the like and the new dems the ones who are more on the lines of Obama, Ed, Keith and Rachel.
This will at least get a sensible dialog going between two viable parties that is a win-win for us.
June 17th, 2009 at 2:14 amThank GOD that the vast majority of Americans are turning away from this form of prejudice, and are FOR extending equal rights to ALL Americans.
There is no place in America for prejudice or second-class citizens. These people remind me of the “no marriage for inter-racial couples” crowd. They base their arguments on fabricated “studies” and want to force their religion in our faces, no matter what the average American wants.
In 50 years, everyone will wonder why we let the minority anti-equal-rights crowd force their opinion on everyone else. Marriage equality will prove to be the best thing for America.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:34 amThis phrase “between 8% and 21%” is not asymmetrical language.
Thus proving why you’re just too stupid to continue participating in the conversation.
Asymmetrical language refers to the incongruous comparison made between those who “ultimately identify as” versus those who “are.” The first describes an eventual identification, while the latter describes the current identification, with no mention of any future possibilities or past identifications. The two statements do not describe the same situations, and are thus not comparable. Such an obvious error in analysis and presentation of data indicates a very weak basis for the research, as the person doing the research clearly lacks the skills required to properly perform the task in an unbiased way that fairly and accurately describes the data.
Until you can learn enough English to keep up, you need to just sit back, listen, and maybe you’ll learn something. Or better yet – just go away.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:36 am#43 – American Patriot Says:
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“Meanwhile on PLANET EARTH another ‘d’ politician found with cold hard cash in his freezer..”
June 16th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Meanwhile, in the real world, another “R” politician admits he can’t keep his pants closed and had an affair while “happily married”.
The so-called party of “moral values” should just call themselves the party of “oral values”.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:39 am#83 – smidget Says:
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“Until you can learn enough English to keep up, you need to just sit back, listen, and maybe you’ll learn something. Or better yet – just go away.”
June 17th, 2009 at 9:36 am
If Bitbit goes away, Bitbit will never learn that many of Bitbit’s opinions are just that: opinions.
After Bitbit hears opinions that don’t coincide with Bitbit’s pre-concieved ideas, Bitbit expands Bitbit’s mind.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:42 amDemocrat Soldier
That’s a nice theory, but I’m afraid you are grossly overestimating the intelligence and willingness of bitblt to actually learn. He’s a die-hard rightwing troll. They don’t learn, not because they are incapable, but because they like their reality better, no matter that their reality isn’t, well, real.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:20 am#86 – smidget Says:
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“Democrat Soldier
That’s a nice theory, but I’m afraid you are grossly overestimating the intelligence and willingness of bitblt to actually learn. He’s a die-hard rightwing troll. They don’t learn, not because they are incapable, but because they like their reality better, no matter that their reality isn’t, well, real.”
June 17th, 2009 at 10:20 am
I can see your point. Bitbit constantly states “marriage is between one man and one woman” despite the numerous times in the Bible where it proves that marriage used to be between one man and many women, or that a man’s wife is the man’s property to do with as the man desires with no recourse to the woman at all.
Bitbit conveniently ignores the portions of the Bible that don’t fit Bitbit’s pre-conceived ideas. Bitbit seems to practice a “pick and choose” approach to the Bible, discarding anything that doesn’t support Bitbit’s opinions.
I do, however, believe that Bitbit does learn some facts, no matter how many times Bitbit regurgitates talking points.
The big difference between me and Bitbit is that I’m willing to consider that I might be wrong. Bitbit seems to be blinded by Bitbit’s belief in Bitbit’s idea of the “truth”, all facts to the contrary.
June 17th, 2009 at 11:25 amPoor ButtBlight is too STUPID to know that the “Studies” “Doctor (not clinical, only phd) “Trayce” refers to are the Bible Quack Studies that have been DEBUNKED…
bit is sorry that if in your haste to jump to a conclusion you overlooked the fact that the Dr’s(PhD) study was a study of studies conducted by homosexual encouraging researchers(HERs). She was studying others’ numbers and conclusions, and she concluded that the percentages presented by the HERs didn’t agree with their conclusions. IOW, the HERs’ studies concluded that being raised by same-same gender parents had no influence on the children, but the HERs’ numbers suggested that the children were 4 to 10 times more likely to engage in non-heterosexual behavior.
June 17th, 2009 at 11:32 amI can see your point. Bitbit constantly states “marriage is between one man and one woman” despite the numerous times in the Bible where it proves that marriage used to be between one man and many women, or that a man’s wife is the man’s property to do with as the man desires with no recourse to the woman at all.
bit consistently quotes Christ, who in Matthew says that the Creator’s intent was that a man and a woman would be one flesh. This is the definitive remark in the Bible on marriage as far as bit is concerned. Since poster has remembered bit’s previous posts it would seem that the same poster would remember this is the scripture that bit usually quotes on the issue of marriage: Matthew 19.
The NT does not record that Christ commented on homosexuality, but this also means that Christ certainly did not endorse so-called same-same gender marriage the way he endorsed one man and one woman.
Bit is not sure there is a single instance of polygamy recorded in the New Testament. While in the Old Testament there are several instances of polygamy, the practice is not universal even in the Old Testament. Two big name OT characters who only had one wife at a time are Noah and Moses. The lives and actions of these two big name OT characters have benefited even modern people.
June 18th, 2009 at 11:19 amOne might want to note that the OT says the first polygamist was also a murderer.