FLASHBACK: Obama Promised To End ‘Secret Meetings’ And Make The White House The ‘People’s House’
FLASHBACK: Obama Promised To End ‘Secret Meetings’ And Make The White House The ‘People’s House’
MSNBC reports that the Obama administration has denied its request for the names of individuals who have visited the White House since the Inauguration. Additionally, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington announced today that it is suing the Department of Homeland Security after the non-partisan organization was denied a request for records of visits of “leading coal company executives.” The Obama administration’s explanation:
The administration ought to be able to hold secret meetings in the White House, “such as an elected official interviewing for an administration position or an ambassador coming for a discussion on issues that would affect international negotiations,” said Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt.
The Bush administration made the same arguments, which were ruled against twice in federal court. In fact, before his election, Obama promised that he would end the Bush administration’s practice of holding secret meetings in the White House, which is supposed to be “the people’s house”:
– In 2006, Obama critized Cheney’s secret energy meetings: “When big oil companies are invited into the White House for secret energy meetings, it’s no wonder they end up with billions in tax breaks.” [1/26/06]
– In 2007, Obama promised on his first day to: “launch the most sweeping ethics reform in history to make the White House the people’s house and send the Washington lobbyists back to K Street.” [6/22/07]
– In 2008, Obama told Wisconsin voters: “This change will not be easy. It will require reforming our politics by taking power away from the lobbyists who kill good ideas and good plans with secret meetings and campaign checks.” [9/22/08]
The day after the Inauguration, Obama issued a memo saying, “my Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government.” Obama had a long record of increasing accountability and transparency in government before he entered the White House. By opening up access to the White House visitor logs, Obama has an opportunity to fulfill his promise of making the White House the people’s house.
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Getting…..more…..disillusioned…..daily.
Still, however, if forced to choose between McIIIrd and the Palinistas, the choice is still clear.
June 16th, 2009 at 12:57 pmWhat a friggin’ let down. Have we been duped? At least he ain’t McCain.
June 16th, 2009 at 12:59 pmIt must be something in the ventilation system.
Our new slogan – At least he’s not McCain….great…. :-P
June 16th, 2009 at 1:01 pmI admit, I am pretty disppointed. But I guess I’m glad Mccain isn’t in the White House. Listening to him talk about Iran sends shivers down my spine.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:02 pmI like to have to option of knowing who’s visiting MY HOUSE.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:05 pmI don’t’ care about this story; I am not going to get all up in arms about every single issue.
My god people stop whining about everything; I honestly can’t blame him because the press will make it a story when it’s not and the republicans will use who ever visits the Whitehouse as political talking points.
Find something else to b*tch about. This is ridiculous.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:06 pmRemember when the Bush admin put up all those screens in front of the white house so big wigs couldnt be seen getting out of limos….right before the bankster bailouts.
Anyway, anything that involves public policy should never be discussed in private…its like having your servants take over your house, steal from your checking account, lock you out of the library where they are, in secret and discussing how to keep you poor, powerless and in the dark.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:06 pmObama is really trying hard to create a viable third party…Liberal Libertarians… from DADT to DOMA to Torture to now Cheney like secretcy…better than McCain…but he’s trying hard to not to be.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:09 pmSeriously, if the Obama administration is worried about revealing things “such as an elected official interviewing for an administration position or an ambassador coming for a discussion on issues that would affect international negotiations,” through the WH visitor logs, then why don’t they use video conferencing?
I thought this WH was more tech savvy.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:10 pmBill Clinton’s administration released the Secret Service’s full set of records for several visitors. These records were released as a result of Congressional Investigations (Dan Burton’s quests for Lincoln Bedroom, Monica, and Johnny Chung records) and litigation (Judicial Watch).
Bush’s administration released partial Secret Service records of some visitors. These records were released as part of the Abramoff criminal investigation.
Obama…?
June 16th, 2009 at 1:11 pm“leading coal company executives.” and this is the only list they want to see and are suing for?
Another bullshyt right-wing GOP lobbyist tactic. I’m glad the White House told them, no.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:11 pmwatchdog Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 1:09 p
What a surprise! You’re still too stupid to read the comments before posting your asinine drivel.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:11 pmI recall something an agent from the anti-trust division of the FBI [[ADM conspiracy [Lycene] resulting in 100 million fine]] said was a joke among the dept: If you see a group of middle aged gray haired business men entering a hotel room in the middle of the day…nothing good could ever come from it.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:12 pmHey, unitl you or I sit in that seat, we have NO idea of what is actually going on. No problem……
June 16th, 2009 at 1:12 pmWhat a surprise! As long as its not Bush we don’t care if he keeps on lying and breaking campaign promises that got him elected. Right?
Poor little Republicans. They know they’re SUPPOSED to switch from “You libtards never question Bambi” to “Haw haw, the Democrat party is falling apart”, but they have to wait for Rush to TELL them to do it.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:15 pmSo if a group of military advisors go to the whitehouse to discuss Afghanistan strategies or an upcoming operation….that should be made public???? If not then where do you draw the line without people asking “what are they trying to hide”.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:15 pmwatchdog Says:
What asinine drivel? The truth?
June 16th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
**snort**
June 16th, 2009 at 1:18 pmI wouldn’t be having such a big problem with this, if Obama hadn’t particularly singled out this very issue for transparency.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:20 pmI am not threatened by this story yet. The media is searching for anything they can hang a story on and today it is this one.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:22 pmObama is still trying to fill seats in his administration, and the interviewees should be kept anonymous for now. I am sure there are discussions and debates going on regarding many important issues that would require any number of persons to be involved — why provide fodder for the right wingers at this time? We can demand the visitor logs and we should — but not every day, and as they occur — give it a little time.
Many issues should be discussed in open meetings – and Obama’s administration is no exception – but groundwork must be laid before those meetings occur.
I see it in my personal life – all our meetings are open, and debated in public – but there is a lot of gathering of information before hand.
Sorry fot the O/T:
That hollow popping sound you hear is more rightie heads exploding.
“U.S. Housing Starts Soared in May; Permits Also Rose”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aPWDH98FdnVI
Stay tuned for trolls extolling the genius of yet another Bush success in 3, 2, 1…
June 16th, 2009 at 1:22 pmWhile the Administration should be able to hold meetings in the White House, I don’t see why it’s a problem to reveal which coal industry executives attended the meeting.
If we are going to hold to our principles, let’s hold to them whether we agree with the current leader or not…
June 16th, 2009 at 1:25 pmWe’re looking at a set of broken promises. Just say whatever to get elected and once elected do something else. Obviously someone or a group of influential people pull the strings on Obama. He has no choice but to sacrifice his credibility and go along with it.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:25 pmWhere was WatchDog then? Where wad the republican outrage, flailing of arms and wailing then?
June 16th, 2009 at 1:26 pmranus69 Says:
“leading coal company executives.” and this is the only list they want to see and are suing for?
Another bullshyt right-wing GOP lobbyist tactic. I’m glad the White House told them, no.
C.R.E.W. is now a right-wing GOP lobbyist group??!! Don’t be a complete as*
Obama promised a new era of transparency, and this ain’t it!
June 16th, 2009 at 1:28 pmHe is not limited to just one choice…
June 16th, 2009 at 1:28 pmHows that bigger Bush government working for ya?
June 16th, 2009 at 1:28 pmI guess you enjoy being tricked into voting for someone.
Says the moron who voted for a beauty queen with an IQ of 40.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:29 pmIt is too bad that liberals and progressives (including myself) were duped by left-wing candidate Obama into voting for centrist President Obama.
In wanting change, justice, and progress so much, left-leaning voters bought into the all-too-familiar lies and promises of just another campaigning politician; changes that should have included gay rights, health care, lower pay for Wall Street CEO’s, environmental policy changes, DADT, government transparency, ending the wars, punishing domestic war criminals, restoration of government regulations, etc.
Progressives fell for the lies hook, line, and sinker, and now have to live with the centrist Presidential wolf who had disguised himself in progressive sheep’s clothing during the entire presidential campaign.
I guess that would make him “President Status Quo’bama.”
America needed promises followed by integrity, action, and trustworthiness, but instead got more rhetoric, lies, and the unlivable status quo.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:32 pmWell, Bush did do that WretcheDog, I dont care if you voted for him or not.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:34 pmwatchdog, thats right we didn’t vote for McWar or the Queen of the North, If we had, we would be in one hell of a war with Iran right now.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:34 pmSo who are the hotshots issuing these decisions? I hope they know they’re working for a democratic administration.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:35 pmWith all that’s going on in America, this is a non-issue to me. All politicians promise things while campaigning. Everything promised and every goal set is not going to be fulfilled. Even with the best intentions.
People watch every move Obama makes because he’s an African-American. The man is scrutinized for every darn thing. Some are waiting for the great GOTCHA moment or waiting for Obama to do something so they can say “I told you so!”
June 16th, 2009 at 1:35 pmImagine if it had been secret energy meetings where the oil in Iraq was divvied up. Right wingers would be outraged then! Remember all the wailing about secrecy from right wingers when Cheney had secret meetings about splitting the war profits from the upcoming invasion of Iraq, planned LONG before 9/11?
what? they didn’t complain? what are they? HYPOCRITES?
June 16th, 2009 at 1:35 pmAbout as good as its working for you. -WretchedDog
So your solution to fixing? Trolling? Licking your doggie treats hoping things will change?
June 16th, 2009 at 1:36 pmThere wasn’t one candidate that would have fulfilled all those items on that wish list…as progressives, we have to do that work, we cannot rely on one man or a group of representatives…it has always been the work of the people in one form or another. As progressives, we have to change the mindset that we can elect a candidate that is in line with our ideals and then assume, post-election, that person will do the job for us without us continuing to do the work we need to do…
June 16th, 2009 at 1:36 pmamish, I guess you were duped, if you thought Obama was leftwing. Most of us knew Obama was a middle of the road Democrat. I’m sorry you bought the repug line that Obama was the most liberal Democrat in the senate, most of us knew that was BS.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:38 pmwatchdog Says:
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Xisithrus Says:
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In 2007 president George W. Bush became the first president to declare the White House Office of Administration off-limits to public inquiries.
Where was WatchDog then? Where wad the republican outrage, flailing of arms and wailing then?
WHAAA WHAAAA Bush did it! Bush did it!!! Transparency is why you voted for him. I didn’t vote for this hack.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Yeah , you instead voted for a non-existent MAVERICK and his empty-headed bimbo side-kick ; good call there , chuckles …….
June 16th, 2009 at 1:38 pmWhen they affect the very nature of our Democratic Republic you should…
June 16th, 2009 at 1:39 pmIt wasnt about secret meetings, silleh, it was about public enquiries to the Office of Administration.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:39 pmwatchpuppy, have you been listening to anything he has been saying as of late? And you do remember ” bomb bomb Iran” right?
June 16th, 2009 at 1:40 pmwatchdog Says:
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Well, Bush did do that WretcheDog, I dont care if you voted for him or not.
I don’t have a problem with secret meetings.
angels81 Says:
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watchdog, thats right we didn’t vote for McWar or the Queen of the North, If we had, we would be in one hell of a war with Iran right now.
When did McCain say he wanted to start a war with Iran?
June 16th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
You believe that McCrappyPilot bomb , bomb , bomb , bomb , bombing Iran isn’t going to lead to war , nitwit ?
Iran is not Iraq ; and we’ve been in Iraq for over 6 years……
June 16th, 2009 at 1:40 pmhow to argue like an ignorant right winger:
1. begin with an incorrect assumption that all people that voted for Obama think he is perfect
2. dig really hard to find any tiny thing that proves he isn’t perfect
3. use the juxtaposition of reality vs the incorrect assumption from step 1 to claim Obama is a 100% fraud
4. giggle with glee that you have successfully implemented the right wing talking points and the erroneous belief that you upset some liberals
5. finish your twinkie and kool-aid and ask mom which “uncle” will be spending the night tonight
June 16th, 2009 at 1:41 pmYou would if they were discussing neutering a WretcheDog
June 16th, 2009 at 1:41 pmIf they’re influencing policy decisions as the MSNBC article claims, then I have a problem with secret meetings in a Democratic Republic…
June 16th, 2009 at 1:42 pmwatchdog Says:
When did McCain say he wanted to start a war with Iran?
Well he did sing about bombing them. I don’t think it would be a friendly bombing.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:42 pmTechnically it was about % million missing emails when Bush stopped public enquiries ot the office of administration, not secret meetings WretchDog.
Sheesh
June 16th, 2009 at 1:43 pmObama administration has denied its request for the names of individuals who have visited the White House since the Inauguration.
Shocker! Can you say HOODWINKED?
June 16th, 2009 at 1:43 pmBy opening up access to the White House visitor logs, Obama has an opportunity to fulfill his promise of making the White House the people’s house.
I think that ship has been sunk after telecom immunity, and certainly after the state secrets and FISA crap.
I guess ‘transparency’ is now an antiquated notion, like the Constitution. “Audacity of Hope” means that there are no solutions, just the balls to offer the same empty promises following the worst president in US history.
Obama is a failure. By parroting bush and covering up bush’s crimes, he is making clear his contempt for the American people, the violations of the Constitution and rule of law, Habeas Corpus and his campaign shtick.
As Bill Maher pointed out, all the whining the dems do about being ‘helpless’ to get this or that legislation passed, yet the republican majority shoved torture, Geneva violations, an illegal war, billions in unsecured ‘loans,’ and a host of other bullsh¡t shenanigans through the congress.
Yet the dems are ‘helpless.’ Pussies!
Tired of excuses. Tear down this joke of a government and start over. The dems are a lying, spineless failure. The republicans are insane, chickenhawk racists. Time to clean house. And Senate.
Fcuk You Obama. Fcuk you for your failed promises to be transparent and a different presence in the WH when all the while, from day 1 (you obstructed the state secrets lawsuit the day after you were sworn in), you’ve acted like bush’s third term, only with incidental legislation thrown in to gull the faithful a little longer.
You took advantage of a tired and disillusioned nation to slip in and screw us over once again. All your high-sounding rhetoric doesn’t equate to sh¡t. You don’t mean what you say and you are just another corporate suck-up.
What a disgrace.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:43 pmPeople watch every move Obama makes because he’s an African-American.
A mexican plays the race card……ironic? Not.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:46 pmwatchdog Says:
I’m sure he would retract those statements if given the chance.
Kind of like the judge sotomayor statement.
“I would hope that a wise Latina woman, with the richness of her experiences, would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life.”
Only an idiot would compare an invasion and war, with how a judge rules over one case or another.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:46 pmIf you don’t start calling your local Democratic offices to start requesting a 2012 Democratic Presidential Primary we will have a Bushbama candidate running against Palin. and lets face it, it was the overwhelming hope of change that made the turnout large enough to defeat the the republican system.
The grass roots need feeding or they will die! There are already patches starting to show…
June 16th, 2009 at 1:46 pmYes. Can you say mushroom clouds?
June 16th, 2009 at 1:46 pmwatchdog Says:
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I’m sure he would retract those statements if given the chance.
Kind of like the judge sotomayor statement.
“I would hope that a wise Latina woman, with the richness of her experiences, would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life.”
June 16th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
You believe those 2 statements are comparable ?
Are you insane ?
June 16th, 2009 at 1:46 pmimagine being so ignorant as to accept the spin from the right wingers trying to paint Sotomayor as a racist!
you’d have to be almost as stupid as American Paster or ToiletM or even b!tchpuppy
June 16th, 2009 at 1:47 pmCan you say gullible right wing nuttia?
June 16th, 2009 at 1:47 pmhe’s not insane, just very dishonest and not very bright
June 16th, 2009 at 1:48 pmAmerican Patriot Says:
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People watch every move Obama makes because he’s an African-American.
A mexican plays the race card……ironic? Not.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
A racist like yourself has no business posting about racism , tool…..
June 16th, 2009 at 1:49 pmblotchdog whines:
Are you insane ?
Ask Trent Lott.
Ask Trent Lott if you are insane?
why?
June 16th, 2009 at 1:49 pmwatchdog Says:
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MCMetal Says:
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watchdog Says:
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I’m sure he would retract those statements if given the chance.
Kind of like the judge sotomayor statement.
“I would hope that a wise Latina woman, with the richness of her experiences, would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life.”
June 16th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
You believe those 2 statements are comparable ?
Are you insane ?
Ask Trent Lott.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Trent Lott’s your father ? Your press agent ? Your spokesperson ?
Who cares what Trent Lott has to say on any topic ; what duly elected office does he currently hold ?
June 16th, 2009 at 1:50 pmAll you trolls who want to gloat at the people here should stop and think one moment…Obama’s actions don’t make us or progressive ideals wrong…you idiots really should contemplate before you pontificate…
June 16th, 2009 at 1:50 pmblotchdog continues it’s whine:
Kind of like the judge sotomayor statement.
“I would hope that a wise Latina woman, with the richness of her experiences, would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life.”
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. As a white male, I would hope that a wise Latina woman, with the richness of her experiences, would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life.
Thus rendering blotchdog’s argument mute and irrelevant.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:53 pmnow they have to Rush to the dictionary to look up contemplate and pontificate
June 16th, 2009 at 1:54 pmThe most liberal Democratic candidate was Dennis Kucinich. If he’d won the nomination he’d have probably lost to McCain. It is unlikely that progressives here will ever have a president that makes us completely happy.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:55 pmI’d be willing to give my president the continued benefit of the doubt that things time and circumstances change once inside the presidency if the corner where I toss all my not yet fulfilled campaign promised and my broken campaign promised weren’t getting so cluttered.
It’s messing with my Feng Shui, Mr. President.
PEACE
June 16th, 2009 at 1:55 pmright wingers are binary thinkers
they really believe that Obama must be 100% liberal or a complete and total fraud
they can’t think beyond zeroes and ones, us vs them, red team/blue team, with us/against us
they don’t have the brain power to think in degrees
June 16th, 2009 at 1:56 pmAt least it will only be for one term.
Wheras Republicans re-elected George “He’s not a real Conservative” Bush. Great argument, guys, keep it up.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:58 pmPresident Obama was NEVER a Chicago politician. He was a State of Illinois politician. He never served in city government EVER. That being said, Chicago is about the best run city out there still providing tons of jobs and attracting tourism like bees to honey. And it’s in the running to host the Olympics. So ph uck you, you small town inbred hick.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:58 pmSometimes I am amazed at some on the left. Who did you think we elected, God? Obama is just another left leaning politican who has to move threw the politics of Washington, hoping he can get atleast two or three major things done that he ran on. You’ve got repugs who won’t vote for anything, you have blue dog democrats, lobbists and every interest group you can think of, all trying to get their way. Obama was only a small step in the right direction, not the end all and be all. This is how politics are played in America, and no one man is going to change it.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:58 pmProud Says:
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As long as Obama continues to move to the right it is great comedy to watch you libtards explain away everything he does by continuing to blame Bush or Cheney. Give it up already, Obama was suppossed to be the great agent of change and you morons drank it up. Do you all now realize that he is just a corrupt Chicago politician that played on your liberal stupidity to get himself elected. At least it will only be for one term. Ok now bring on the insults…
June 16th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
There were only 2 viable options to vote for this past November ; Obama or McCrappyPilot.
The choice was obviously pretty simple for those with more than 2 working brain cells , which apparently , disqualifies you immediately , you moronic GOP nut hugging tool……..
June 16th, 2009 at 1:58 pmPwoud Whines And Concludes:
Ok now bring on the insults…
But commenced with:
June 16th, 2009 at 1:59 pmAs long as Obama continues to move to the right it is great comedy to watch you libtards explain…
you know that old truth: hindsight is 20/20…
i can imagine that if obama knew then what he knows now…
and, with every page turned, every day, more shit is exposed and learned about… it’s a wonder he’s not totally white haired by now…
we knew it was gonna be a major mess to clean up…
i think we need to give him more time… and make sure we got his back.
he’ll fix it when he can.
but all this whining and b!tching is feeding the frighties…
June 16th, 2009 at 1:59 pmdoncha know…
watchdog Says:
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pastcaring Says:
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American Patriot Says:
Shocker! Can you say HOODWINKED?
All you trolls who want to gloat at the people here should stop and think one moment…Obama’s actions don’t make us or progressive ideals wrong…you idiots really should contemplate before you pontificate…
Progressive ideals have already been proven wrong.
June 16th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
When ?
Obama IS NOT a PROGRESSIVE , you colossal ignoramus ; he’s a centrist , and ran as such ……
BTW
Cancervative ideals have proven to be monumentally stupid since Ronnie Reagan , who sucked @ss as president …….
June 16th, 2009 at 2:00 pmThe administration ought to be able to hold secret meetings in the White House, “such as an elected official interviewing for an administration position or an ambassador coming for a discussion on issues that would affect international negotiations,” said Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt.
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These are both situations where secrecy could be regarded as reasonable and prudent.
Unfortunately, the concept of secret meetings at the White House has been much abused — where the meetings tend to be less about ambassadors assisting with delicate international negotiations and more about corporations and other well-moneyed special interests seeking to gut regulations and feather their nests at the expense of the American people.
It’s the latter that has poisoned the well.
As a result, Americans want and demand transparency, and that’s what we voted for last November.
It’s a pity that elected officials interviewing for jobs and ambassadors working with the President would get caught in the fallout, but since there are any number of legitimate reasons why an elected official or an ambassador would be meeting with the President or others at the White House, I’m sure they could manage.
It’s a little like a teenager who has been using drugs or building bombs in his bedroom, then squawks about his parents insisting that his bedroom door be left open because it takes away his “privacy”.
It’s tough, but our government needs to earn our trust again. And this may take years. Or decades.
June 16th, 2009 at 2:01 pmHe’s going to do things we don’t like. It’s the nature of the job. I see no reason to be worried about this just yet.
June 16th, 2009 at 2:02 pmSad to say but it is looking more and more like America has given up on the two party system. The Corprocrats appear to have bought the system.
June 16th, 2009 at 2:03 pmPeople may have been proven wrong but not progressive ideals…you really should turn the computer & Fox off and get out amongst real Americans more often…you are being lied to…
June 16th, 2009 at 2:06 pmDon’t panic everybody, he is just having a few good friends over for tea.
June 16th, 2009 at 2:08 pmWhy does everyone get such a hair crossed when something might be a secret any more.
I mean after all, can’t he just sit down with his former spiritual advisor, former board members, and finacial supporters for a spot of tea once in a while?!
Hell I am sure they’re just going to light up a non-flavored cigarette, drink some tea and talk about old times again.
In June of 2000 George Bush [Campaign] promised to lower the price of gasoline “through sheer force of personality”
Bwah.
June 16th, 2009 at 2:08 pmIt’s easy to pass judgment on President Obama when you’re on the outside looking in. Obviously, something occurred to cause this change in direction regarding releasing information to the public on who visits the White House, etc.
Folks are so unrealistic in their lofty expectations for Obama! It hasn’t been six months and people are expecting the moon and the stars.
Screaming about shyte that doesn’t go their way like spoiled children is not the answer!
June 16th, 2009 at 2:08 pmWeeks ago it seemed that President Obama had given up on offering a government option for health care that proved to be incorrect. Sometimes I think we are being fed issues that are aimed at disenfranchising us.
June 16th, 2009 at 2:11 pmI can’t believe anyone thought Obama was a progressive in the first place. He voted for the Cheney energy bill. This alone is a deal-breaker for me.
Rupert Murdoch in Pain
June 16th, 2009 at 2:11 pmSo why were ONLY three millio jobs created in the last eight years? I thought tax cuts would create jobs?
June 16th, 2009 at 2:12 pmmostly it’s just childish right wingers crying that Obama is not the Messiah they all told us we were supposed to think he was
they built a straw man and don’t understand why we don’t treat it as real
June 16th, 2009 at 2:12 pmSo why hasnt two wars [conservative ideals] helped the economy?
June 16th, 2009 at 2:13 pmJune 16th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
X, b!tchpuppy isn’t here to debate, it’s just here to mess the rug
it’s what it does
June 16th, 2009 at 2:15 pmCould you imagine what would have had happened if this conservative ideal had come to pass? Horror of horrors.
June 16th, 2009 at 2:16 pmProud Says
June 16th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Do you all now realize that he is just a corrupt Chicago politician that played on your liberal stupidity to get himself elected. At least it will only be for one term. Ok now bring on the insults…
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No, I don’t plan on insults — that’s not really my style. But speaking of insults, you appear to label President Obama as a “corrupt Chicago politician” without anything to back that up (being a politician, and being from Chicago does NOT automatically equal corruption).
I don’t agree with every position President Obama has taken, and when I disagree with it, I tend to get vocal. This is the difference between being a patriotic American and being a mindless sycophant.
However, even though I don’t agree with Obama all the time, and even though I’m willing to criticize his actions I object to, I’m not sorry I voted for him. McCain and Palin would have been much worse, in my opinion.
You state with some confidence that Obama will be a one-term president. If that’s to become reality, the Republicans need to get cracking. So far, they have done nothing to abandon the principles and values that have caused our economy and our standing in the world to sink like the Titanic, and they have done nothing to come up with new solutions for our current problems (they just continue to recycle the same old ideas that have been proven not to work). And they’re a long way off from coming up with a candidate who will capture the will of the American people (hint — it ain’t Bobby Jindal).
June 16th, 2009 at 2:17 pmRemember when Bush promised to capture OBL?
Yeh, the GnOPers swallowed that hook, line, sinker, worm and fish.
June 16th, 2009 at 2:19 pmRemember that load you GnOPers swallowed WretchDog..Im a uniter not a divider! Bwhahahahha
June 16th, 2009 at 2:21 pmI wish it would go lick its teabag somewhere else =)
June 16th, 2009 at 2:21 pmIn June of 2000 George Bush [Campaign] promised to lower the price of gasoline “through sheer force of personality”
Ok? I guess gas prices on the rise again is just my imagination? When it hits $4.00 again can I come shake your hand, Xisithrus? Or will you have it full of tissues to wipe your tears from disbelief?
Can you stay on subject please, unless you would like me to state something as stupid as since Obama bowed to the sheikh and shook hands with Chavez gas has risen a mere $.40 a gallon in two months? Stop the hating, Bush is out of office and Obama is in. Time to lay blame where it is $$ due now.
June 16th, 2009 at 2:22 pmBush didnt lower the price of oil…
And criticizing Bush broken campaign promises is not hating, btw.
June 16th, 2009 at 2:28 pmI do care.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/TransparencyandOpenGovernment/
June 16th, 2009 at 2:29 pmderegulation of energy futures speculators was not done by Obama
that is what is pushing gas prices up
but thanks for playing
June 16th, 2009 at 2:30 pmOK2LQQK Says:
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June 16th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Where and when did Obama ever campaign on the price of a gallon of gas ?
June 16th, 2009 at 2:30 pmRight, it was Clintons fault, isnt that what you really want to say?
June 16th, 2009 at 2:30 pmOK2LQQK, who are you to criticize Xisithrus?
June 16th, 2009 at 2:33 pmNo, what I am saying is everyone wants to look back in time and place blame on either side of the ballot. When in fact, unlike 9/11 this bickering back and forth shows no forward momentum. Everyone should pull together for answers, obviously by trying to put words in my mouth as you and others have tried twice to do now. You would look more educated in saying. “Ok, so far nothing has worked and what will?!” Yet everyone wants to be too damn proud to enter/offer such a progressive conversation!
June 16th, 2009 at 2:43 pmhormiga brava chavez Says:
It’s easy to pass judgment on President Obama when you’re on the outside looking in. Obviously, something occurred to cause this change in direction regarding releasing information to the public on who visits the White House, etc.
I think the real problem a lot of Republicans have with Obama isn’t so much that these things are happening (ie. the lack of transparency, gay marriages, etc). It’s more that when a Republican does something, Dems are so quick and harsh to judge them. You can say what you want about how it’s easy to pass judgement when you’re on the outside looking in, but that is exactly what Dems did with Bush for years. Don’t jump my case. I’m not saying I agreed with all of Bush’s decisions that he made. However, none of us were in the WH with Bush when he made his choices, and looking in from the outside, none of us will ever truly be able to say why they make the choices they make. Still, when Repubs listened for so long to the bashing about choices and lies, it’s kinda ironically funny to now watch the ‘messiah’, the ’savior’, the ‘agent for change’ slip right back into the same patterns of behavior that so many tried to vote out of our government and to listen to Dems defend every move he makes.
I personally don’t dislike Obama as a human being. As a politician, I think he’s just like all the others. He said what he needed to say to get himself where he wanted to be. Nothing more, nothing less. But still, it’s interesting to watch all the Dems defend him now and excuse him for breaking his campaign promises in the same breath as they slaughter Repubs for doing the very same things. Not saying it never goes the other way. Just pointing out the facts.
June 16th, 2009 at 2:47 pmCuriously Says:
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June 16th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Bush was a life-long moron and failure prior to being S-E-L-E-C-T-E-D as president ; why should those of us who knew his worthless nature to begin with not be allowed to voice our opinion , especially seeing as how we turned out to be overwhelmingly correct , and those of you who supported the imbecile (and who continue to apologize and excuse-make for the walking travesty) , sport a record equal to his , which was/is zero-for-8 years ?
June 16th, 2009 at 2:55 pmOK2LQQK Says:
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No, what I am saying is everyone wants to look back in time and place blame on either side of the ballot. When in fact, unlike 9/11 this bickering back and forth shows no forward momentum. Everyone should pull together for answers, obviously by trying to put words in my mouth as you and others have tried twice to do now. You would look more educated in saying. “Ok, so far nothing has worked and what will?!” Yet everyone wants to be too damn proud to enter/offer such a progressive conversation!
June 16th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Please explain your solution on how one “pulls together” with a group that says “NO” to everything , without having or presenting their own viable option or alternative , because they simply do not have one ……….
June 16th, 2009 at 2:56 pmI think the real problem a lot of Republicans have with Obama isn’t so much that these things are happening (ie. the lack of transparency, gay marriages, etc). It’s more that when a Republican does something, Dems are so quick and harsh to judge them.
Democrats have never been rubberstamps for democratic presidents. Republicans did nothing but rubberstamp every Bush decision for eight years. The only time they bolted, was the Myers nomination, because she made conservatives look silly and unserious.
There is no comparable republican group as the Bluedogs, and as we all know they rarely agree with the rest of the party
on issues.
Your assertion is bunk.
June 16th, 2009 at 2:56 pmThose of us that really looked into Barak Obama’s past realized that he is just another right-of-center politician. The only real difference between he and John McCain is simply Obama is smarter and less prone to make major mistakes.
Once a true liberal candidate for President appears, then I will get excited, but until then I will be voting for the candidate that I think will make the fewest screw-ups. In the last election, that was Obama.
If he continues down the conservative Republican path, then I may not vote for a candidate for President in the 2012 elections. Even if that means that Sarah Palin becomes president. In fact, just for giggles, I might actually vote for Palin just to sit back and watch the total devastation she would bring down on the US. That might just be the thing to get a truly liberal candidate for President that I could support.
June 16th, 2009 at 2:59 pm{deregulation of energy futures speculators was not done by Obama
that is what is pushing gas prices up
but thanks for playing}
Again, someone who didn’t read exactly what was written! I guess the words “as stupid as” was an oversight?!?
June 16th, 2009 at 3:03 pmEveryone here likes to read into things other than what is said. No wonder this Country is a mess! Don’t most of you ever sit back and asks yourselves are you part of the solution or part of the problem?! I am looking for conversation on being part of the solution.
I wasn’t picking on anyone, just repeating a statement made were everyone wants to look backwards instead of forward. I like to know where I am going and remember the past. Not always look into the past and blind as to where I am going. So as many of you want to jump to arms about something like “war”. Why are you so quick to start one on the blogs?!
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So as many of you want to jump to arms about something like “war”. Why are you so quick to start one on the blogs?!
June 16th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Name one person who was blown up or blown away on a blog site ……Better a “war” here , than in real life………
June 16th, 2009 at 3:05 pmI don’t care anymore. Period.
June 16th, 2009 at 3:05 pmbarfly Says:
Your assertion is bunk.
No. Not so much. See…this is the problem that I personally have with people like you. My assertion was that people find it ironic that the man can promise one thing during the elections and then as soon as he’s in office, he does just the opposite. Bush had his faults and flaws. Sure. So does Obama. That’s called being human.
The issue isn’t whether or not either of them were/are qualified. It’s how people react to mistakes and lies. The “It’s ok for us but not them” mentality that’s being passed around is the problem. It’s okay for your candidate to lie and change his policies after the fact. It’s okay for you to defend him by saying that we can’t know what’s going on in the WH to cause him to make his choices. But it’s not okay for any Repubs to use those arguements.
That’s not bunk. I’m sorry if you’re too ignorant to understand the irony in it.
June 16th, 2009 at 3:06 pmCuriously Says:
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Your assertion is bunk.
No. Not so much. See…this is the problem that I personally have with people like you. My assertion was that people find it ironic that the man can promise one thing during the elections and then as soon as he’s in office, he does just the opposite. Bush had his faults and flaws. Sure. So does Obama. That’s called being human.
The issue isn’t whether or not either of them were/are qualified. It’s how people react to mistakes and lies. The “It’s ok for us but not them” mentality that’s being passed around is the problem. It’s okay for your candidate to lie and change his policies after the fact. It’s okay for you to defend him by saying that we can’t know what’s going on in the WH to cause him to make his choices. But it’s not okay for any Repubs to use those arguements.
That’s not bunk. I’m sorry if you’re too ignorant to understand the irony in it.
June 16th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
I see several dozen , if not more posts written by progressives here , being critical/disappointed in Obama ; when were you and your Bush backing ilk ever critical of him and his actions/policies , except LONG after the fact ?
I don’t recall any of you criticizing Bush a day or two later……..
June 16th, 2009 at 3:12 pmThe man even said himself that if he messes up he expects to be called on it so to make the claim that all liberals blindly support Obama is ridiculous. He wants to know when we’re unhappy and what Americans are thinking. Hence why he actually requests 10 letters from Americans a night to read.
I for one don’t just stand by and whine on blogs when I’m unhappy like you trolls seem to love. Get off your butts, write a letter to the White House or Congress. Do something. Make calls, protest. Something. The whining isn’t getting you anywhere which is what I keep trying unsuccessfully to tell sarco.
I’m not ready to give up on Obama. Sure he has done a few things I disagree with but the overall benefit of having him in office heavily outweighs that atm as far as I’m concerned. He has been in office like 5 months. That is hardly a fair amount of time to be saying he broke promises. The media tells us he’s back off public options on healthcare and that isn’t true for example.
Until I see him do something supremely screwed up like Bush did, he has my support. At the same time I write emails to the White House and my state’s Senators have recieved phone calls which I’m happy to report have been returned. There are avenues to voice concern. Use them.
June 16th, 2009 at 3:19 pmMcmetal,
June 16th, 2009 at 3:22 pmYour response was exactly what I was looking for. “We” need to recognize as a people again what our government is meant to do. I haven’t stated once in this blog that I am republican, have I? Yet because I made a comment as to Bush vs Obama everyone assumed I was. Yet I don’t think one of you challenging me here has read one statement I have posted as it was written. So in fact who is the party of “NO” and who is the party of “CHANGE” is still a unknown. I thank most of you who commented on my posts for proving one fact. It doesn’t matter what party ballot one comes from the hatred is in the people, not the parties! Thank you all for helping me explain politics to my teen age son whom is trying to write a paper for his summer class. BRAVO!! Take a bow!
#88 Missmolly
June 16th, 2009 at 3:23 pmYes, Bush poisoned the well.
We are like the cat on the stove that Clinton refers to in the next thread.
Bushies burned us cats on his stove, so now we don’t want to sit on any stove – even Obama’s.
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June 16th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
When one makes comments critical of one side , and one side only , that tends to reveal where their loyalty truly lies ; try explaining that to your son ………..
June 16th, 2009 at 3:26 pmSorry, the name pastcaring is already taken…
:|
June 16th, 2009 at 3:30 pmMCMetal,
June 16th, 2009 at 3:45 pmNo need to, he clearly knows what a school yard bully sounds and writes like. Thus the actions most of your comments tend for me to believe what ones mentality is.
95.hormiga brava chavez Says: It’s easy to pass judgment on President Obama when you’re on the outside looking in. Obviously, something occurred to cause this change in direction regarding releasing information to the public on who visits the White House, etc.
Then he’s had oodles of time to explain himself. He is articulate and perfectly capable of making himself clear; unlike his bush-esque reasons for his deplorable state secrets stance or, lately, his recent fat lie about defending the DOMA that he promised to change.
Another bullsh¡t lie…there’s no other term for it. Obama is full of sh¡t, and it extends to his phony rationale for suppressing the photographic evidence of bush’s crimes: (via Greenwald:)
Goddamnit! I’m so sick of these lying-ass cult of personality cowards perpetuating the staus quo and treating thinking adults with a big smothering dose of “just trust us.”
Or worse…”wait.” As MLK pointed out, “wait” invariably means “never” and Obama certainly knows how to goose the system when he wants to.. He’s burying bush’s crimes, running out the clock and further cementing any access to transparency, and there’s absolutely nothing to gain by trusting him or any politician.
And everything to lose.
CREW, ACLU gets a donation and any other organization that attacks this phony president and calls him on his cowardice.
Obama wants us to “make him do it?” No one person can “make” Obama do what’s right, but I can certainly support and promote the organizations and legal angles that will make him wish he had by exposing his continued lying and secrecy.
And take those weasels Pelosi and Reid with you…
June 16th, 2009 at 3:47 pmOK2LQQK Says:
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MCMetal,
No need to, he clearly knows what a school yard bully sounds and writes like. Thus the actions most of your comments tend for me to believe what ones mentality is.
June 16th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
As opposed to knowing what an excuse-making partisan imbecile sounds like , because that would be a huge impedence on your parental authority ……….
June 16th, 2009 at 3:58 pmSo why were the republicans able to shove crazy sh¡t that Americans didn’t want down America’s throats (with Obama nimbly covering up the trail now,) but Obama and the majority dems can’t even pass the legislation that the majority of Americans want? (but conveniently, the corporations don’t….guess who’ll win the day?)
WTGDF?
Why are we being played…and worse, why are people who’ve lived through the past 8 years so willing and ready to sit back and court another major screwing by acting as proxy apologists to someone who is blatantly repeating bush’s policies?
It’s moronic.
June 16th, 2009 at 4:17 pmProud Says:
As long as Obama continues to move to the right it is great comedy to watch you libtards explain away everything he does by continuing to blame Bush or Cheney. Give it up already, Obama was suppossed to be the great agent of change and you morons drank it up. Do you all now realize that he is just a corrupt Chicago politician that played on your liberal stupidity to get himself elected. At least it will only be for one term. Ok now bring on the insults…
You know Proud, I think it says much more about your false idol, Bush than Obama when hardcore Progressives vote for the lesser of two evils, Obama, even though they know he is just another corporatist. It was more of a Anyone but Bush/McCain vote…but then again, why should we listen to someone who swallowed and continues to swallow every one of the GOP’s lies?
June 16th, 2009 at 4:17 pmMCMetal Says:
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OK2LQQK Says:
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MCMetal,
No need to, he clearly knows what a school yard bully sounds and writes like. Thus the actions most of your comments tend for me to believe what ones mentality is.
June 16th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
As opposed to knowing what an excuse-making partisan imbecile sounds like , because that would be a huge impedence on your parental authority ……….
I hope your future doesn’t include breeding MCMetal! I also can tell that the bully remark wasn’t a mistake now was it! I laugh at you and your kind! No fear MCMetal is here! Have you maybe considered changing it to “MCMental?!?”
June 16th, 2009 at 4:30 pmThat’s not bunk. I’m sorry if you’re too ignorant to understand the irony in it.
Now there’s that conservative condescention we’ve all become tired of after 8 years of Bush.
I pointed out a flaw in your reasoning, and you attack with ad hominems. Your son must be ever so proud, to have a bully for a father.
June 16th, 2009 at 4:40 pmAnd you started it, cheese dick.
June 16th, 2009 at 4:41 pmOK2LQQK Says:
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June 16th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
How clever ……..Consider changing yours to OK2BAGOPStooge ?
You should ……..
BTW
I didn’t threaten you in any way , did I ?
Why don’t you look up the definition of a “bully” before stupidly claiming someone you don’t know is one , dummy……..
June 16th, 2009 at 4:54 pmMy mistake to afford the fact of having a intellegent conversation, with those who are lacking in the first place. My bad! My bad! My bad!
Transparent: 1) transmitting light:clear enough to be seen through 2)SHEER,DIAPHANOUS (a fabric) 3) readily understood:CLEAR also: easily detected (a~lie)
Obama has kept his promise, his politics are transparent. They are (a~lie) and easily detected. Clear enough to be seen through (the fabric of his policies).
June 16th, 2009 at 5:12 pmActions are always louder then words, remember this as he talks. What actions are we seeing: speech after speech after speech. Shhhhhh quiet now, I think I just heard some change hitting the floor!
BTW
OK2BAGOPDBag
You going to explain to your son that my pegging you (correctly) as a Republican/Cancervative is wrong to do based upon my evaluation(s) of your very own posts/statements , but that it is perfectly legitimate for you to (stupidly and erroneously) claim I’m a “bully” , with nothing more than your own ignorance and idiocy to bank upon ?
I’m betting there isn’t a chance in hell of that happening…….
June 16th, 2009 at 5:12 pmOK2LQQK Says:
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My mistake to afford the fact of having a intellegent conversation, with those who are lacking in the first place. My bad! My bad! My bad!
June 16th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Yeah , because someone who isn’t competent or intelligent enough to know that it’s “AN intelligent conversation” should be prattling on about someone elses intellect …..
Cease and desist with your GOP nut hugging idiocy , tool……
June 16th, 2009 at 5:17 pmIndependant, moderate would be a better description! So no, you have not pegged anyone. Sorry!
June 16th, 2009 at 6:49 pmYet again, you prove that once challenged on your diatribe you return to name calling! There again proving the “Bullying” behaivor, I so easily did peg you with. Before you give yourself so much credit I was still waiting for the first meaning “A” conversation to take place. To create “an intelligent conversation, must be between two parties”. As you wish to spew names and continue personal insults, I don’t consider that “an intelligent conversation”. Get it, aye?!
BTW:
One question still remains; can you complete a real statement with out being obtrusive?! If I were a gambling man, I would bet on “NO”! We shall see…
You guys starting to feel as suckered as I was for voting for this guy? If he continues this BS, it will be a short 4 years and we will have to put up with friggin Palin in 2112.
Obama recently became a millionaire and left the team.
June 16th, 2009 at 7:04 pmCease and desist with your GOP nut hugging idiocy
As you have firmly placed your lips around obamas nuts? Oh, the irony!
June 16th, 2009 at 7:11 pmHey I like this. It isn’t Obama’s fault someone else is pulling the strings. So in other words you voted for someone who doesn’t have a mind of his own. And if that isn’t the case than you voted for someone who isn’t standing up to his word. Either way it doesn’t wash. He lied to get into office and he is still lieing to the people that got him there now. He promised transparency and you aren’t getting it. I like how the liberals yell when the republicans do something but when it is a democrat well they try to come up with reasons as to why. The only reason is that he LIED. just like the health care bill they want to push through. They don’t want you to know that it is going to cost 600 billion and they are going to cut 400 billion on top of that out of medacare medacade. Yup you libs just keep believing your saving grace Almighty Obama. I notice i don’t hear any liberals complaining about the fact that he has raised the national debt twice what it was in less than 6 months and the fact that he is taking over private companies. There go some of our rights and you people are letting him.
June 16th, 2009 at 8:18 pmOh and as for Gitmo closing, try again it isn’t. Congress over turned Almighty Obama and voted to keep it open. SO he LIED to you on that one to. hahahahahahahahahahahaha
When did keeping campaign promises become so important? I have been following elections for a long time, and I don’t remember ever seeing a president being held to everything he said during the campaign. Clearly, running for president and being president are two different things. I don’t give President Obama a pass for everything, and I think we need to keep the pressure on; but looking at this one instance and concluding that he’s like Bush is preposterous.
President Obama is trying to get a public health care plan passed. He’s dealing with the mess the Bush administration left. He’s actually having to deal with the Republican jackasses that we make fun of.
It’s important not to let things slide, but it’s also important not to expect everything to change overnight. He’s only the President. I’m sure he’s still learning what forces shape the Presidency, and that he knows that he’s just one man.
For whatever reason, President Obama has decided to keep WH meetings secret, I trust that it isn’t the same reason Cheney wanted to do so. Expressing disapproval of this decision, does not mean throwing his whole presidency out the window and declaring ourselves duped.
Clinton did quite a lot I disapproved of, but you can’t honestly say, as a liberal, that Clinton wasn’t good for the country.
We’ve all been burned by the Bush administration, and we need to be vocal, but fatalism doesn’t help. We’re not going to get a perfect president.
I want a better explanation for why he’s keeping these meetings secret.
June 16th, 2009 at 8:37 pmwiley please tell me that you didn’t vote. your comment about the health care bill shows that you have no working knowledge of the health care system or have you taken the time to learn about it. Since every country that has the program that Obama wants to start is saying now to do it and Obama is trying to do it anyway. He doesn’t care that it is going to cost over 1 trillion to fund it and that our country can’t do it without going bankrupt. I guess you don’t care about the fact that he is adding 787 billion to it and more.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:12 pmwhat a sad state people have gotten to in this country. they want the government to take care of them rather than taking care of themselves.
Oh blah, blah, blah. Who isn’t up on the issues? You trolls are such bores—always on the verge of a crisis, always have your little lizard brains alarms ringing off the wall.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:23 pmwell if you don’t think that running the country bankrupt is a problem than by all means keep cheering for him
June 16th, 2009 at 9:41 pmoh and wiley the ones that are alway crying crisis are the liberals. so just keep crying it is alright
June 16th, 2009 at 9:45 pmNo one is crying here, but you trolls. Sux to lose doesn’t it?
June 16th, 2009 at 9:59 pmThe peanut gallery Says:
well if you don’t think that running the country bankrupt is a problem than by all means keep cheering for him
Rich, coming from a rubberstamp.
Why weren’t you around complaining about Bush’s off-budget spending during the last presidency?
Dismissed.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:59 pmOutlaw284 Says:
oh and wiley the ones that are alway crying crisis are the liberals. so just keep crying it is alright
“We can’t let the smoking gun be a mushroom cloud.”
Go change your shorts, urine-stained troll. You stink.
June 16th, 2009 at 10:01 pmGhost Walker373 Says:
Ah come on Outlaw– you know that the american people can’t take care of themselves with out the dems help.
The victims of katrina likely would have preferred one to the selected frat rat…
June 16th, 2009 at 10:04 pmIt isn’t Obama’s fault someone else is pulling the strings. So in other words you voted for someone who doesn’t have a mind of his own.
Someone’s forgotten about Cheney and his sockpuppet.
You do know how stupid you look, posting such easily debunked twaddle, don’t you?
June 16th, 2009 at 10:08 pmThis is great. wiley calls me a troll because he has nothing better to say. Can’t fight the facts. As for me crying your wrong on that part to. I was stating facts and that is your responce. Now I know why Obama won. Because people like wiley voted for him. uniformed uneducated, just as long as it isn’t a republican i will vote for him. Well you got what you voted for and you are to stupid to see what he is doing.
As for barfly. I didn’t approve of Bush’s stimulu package either so you are no better than wiley. Uniformed and Uneducated but that doesn’t stop you liberals from trying your best to slam someone else does it. AS to your comment about the smoking gun being a mushroom cloud. Just what Pres is wanting to get rid of all nukes? Here I will help you out with that. It is Yours, the almighty obama. Who is the Pres that wants to talk and not take action? Again Obama. You Liberals are to narrow minded to understand that there are factions out there that hate the US not because of what we have done or not done but because of the way we live. Because of our FREEDOM.
Oh and barfly your comment “The victims of katrina likely would have preferred one to the selected frat rat…”
June 17th, 2009 at 9:12 amnext time before you try and use something tomake your point why dont’ you make sure it doesnt backfire.
You have any clue as to who was in charge of La. when katrina hit? Democrats. it was New Orleans on Democrats that caused a lot of those people to die. Democrats not funding the Corp of Engineers projects to reinforce the levee’s which they had been told for years wouldn’t withstand a Hurricane even close to what katrina was. A Democrat mayor not leting the police use school buses that were sitting there empty and ready to go to evacuate people. People building in an area below sea level and not smart enough to leave when they were warned that it could hit.
Trying to use Katrina to slam Bush? real dumb. It isn’t the federal governments job to take care of people it is suppose to protect the country. Why don’t you pull your little mind away form the liberal news and try reading the bill of rights and the constitution you might even learn just what the governments job really is. And a little hit it isn’t running health care or care companies or banks or any other private company. nor is it the governments job to dictate who gets paid how much for their job. So just because you don’t like how much a CEO gets paid is your problem. you want to fix the problem educate yours self and take his job.
This is great. Where is dstankass to crow so much about this administration and how transparent it is? How many promises has he broken now? DADT…putting everything on website for review before passage…now this….etc. Did you all really believe he was anything but a hack politician from the Chicago Mob?
He attacks anyone and anything…that gets between him and his goals. When you idiots finally figure that out…he will have declared himself Emperor and you will have NO Buddy to Blame But Yourselves!
June 17th, 2009 at 12:47 pmGreat post Outlaw284
June 17th, 2009 at 12:48 pmpastcaring Says:
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All you trolls who want to gloat at the people here should stop and think one moment…Obama’s actions don’t make us or progressive ideals wrong…you idiots really should contemplate before you pontificate…
Progressive ideals:
1) Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2) A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3) Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4) Confiscation of the property of emigrants and rebels.
5) Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6) Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
7) Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8) Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9) Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.
10) Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.
Above is the ten planks of Marxism for the uneducated in that area. Isn’t that the Democratic platform?