Republicans try to obstruct health care bill.
Republicans try to obstruct health care bill.
Today, the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee began marking up Sen. Ted Kennedy’s (D-MA) Affordable Health Care Act. Republicans, who pushed for the incomplete HELP legislation to be studied by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and then pretended that the agency scored the entire bill, tried to obstruct the effort by complaining that the CBO had not yet scored the full proposal. During the hearing, Sens. John McCain (R-AZ) and Judd Gregg (R-NH) argued that the hearing be postponed until a full cost-analysis is available. Watch it:
The GOP then maneuvered to introduce a host of amendments simply as a delaying tactic. Rather than offering constructive improvements that could lower costs and expand coverage, a good number of the GOP’s proposed amendments do nothing to solve the health care crisis. The Wonk Room has the run-down.
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June 17th, 2009 at 6:37 pm…..aaaaaand water is wet, ice is cold, and fire is hot…
anything ‘else’ new?
June 17th, 2009 at 6:42 pmWhat about a full cost-analysis of John McCain’s doctor & hospital visits? Oh – history of melanoma? Drop him.
June 17th, 2009 at 6:43 pmI want McCain’s health care coverage.
June 17th, 2009 at 6:45 pmOh, I forgot, Senator McCain doesn’t have to worry about being dropped. He has just about every government plan (enrolled and/or eligible) under his pillow.
June 17th, 2009 at 6:45 pmThe GOP should insert provisions pulled from their tremendous health plan offered today ……..It will take no time at all.
Literally and figuratively………..
June 17th, 2009 at 6:46 pmCome on, people. We have to give McCain and his buddies major kudos. They have spent the past 5 months screaming no to everything to the point where people are finally starting to laugh.
Republican opposition to anything is like the gold standard to any semi-rational human being.
June 17th, 2009 at 6:48 pmOur economy and individual survival depends upon health care reform. Most, in one way or another are getting it.
The more the Party of No obstructs important business, the quicker we can expect them to wither away.
June 17th, 2009 at 6:48 pmI am still waiting for the repugs to renounce their government run healthcare plan. Until they do, they should STFU and go whine in a cave some where.
June 17th, 2009 at 6:48 pmRemember, the Pentagon can have $6 trillion over a period of ten years, but it’s a huge problem if a genuine effort to cut health care costs gets $1 trillion over that same period.
June 17th, 2009 at 6:49 pmTime to up the ante. Contact your representatives and tell them, if it is good enough for you, it is good enough for us.
Billboards? Commercials?
June 17th, 2009 at 6:52 pmSickos!
June 17th, 2009 at 6:53 pmI second that, ConcernedParent — they need to drop their health coverage & should be required to dump their stocks to continue serving in the senate.
Republicans clearly want to see more people die to embolden the caste system. They are domestic terrorists in so many ways.
June 17th, 2009 at 6:53 pmWhy worry about health care when you’re the party of the brain dead?
June 17th, 2009 at 6:54 pmMr. President, if your health care is good enough for you, why isn’t it good enough for us?
June 17th, 2009 at 6:55 pmWhy don’t the republicans and the conservo-dems in Congress set up a co-op and pay for their own health care?
June 17th, 2009 at 7:01 pmSit in the back of classroom, throw spit balls, disrupt class, play hookey. That is all the GOP knows how to do. Pathetic and they are drawing tax dollar salaries and have a lucrative universal healthcare system for the rest of their lives. They don’t think the tax payers deserve one.
June 17th, 2009 at 7:01 pmPlease Mr (or MS/Mrs) congressperson, why do you have healthcare coverage without pre-existing? Why is it ok for the government to subsidize your coverage while the people who elected you have to play games and endure no coverage while you remain covered?
Why are you, our elected representative, better than us?
June 17th, 2009 at 7:01 pmMy elected representative, when was the last time one of your fellow representatives had to file bankruptcy to cover your medical bills?
June 17th, 2009 at 7:04 pmAB: It’s called population control.
Pro-life fodder for my F-22. Fodder, damn it.
June 17th, 2009 at 7:05 pmThey can wait on the estimates while we’re passing health care reform.
June 17th, 2009 at 7:05 pmInfuriating, disappointing, sorrowing, disgusting and saddening. I am beyond flabbergasted. Throw the bums out.
June 17th, 2009 at 7:05 pmMy elected representative, when was the last time you had to call and ask some person with no medical training if it was ok if you had a pimple removed from your butt?
June 17th, 2009 at 7:06 pmMy elected representative, when was the last time you had to worry about seeing a doctor when you traveled more than 30 miles from DC?
June 17th, 2009 at 7:08 pmMy elected representative, why do you think I will vote for your sorry ass in the next election if you continue to ignore me?
June 17th, 2009 at 7:08 pmAmericasBack Says:
Zooey Says:
I want McCain’s health care coverage.
Zooey, do you want his cancer too (the cancer they kept far from the media during the debate?) …j.k.
June 17th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Ummmm, no thanks. ;)
But if McCain had MY health care coverage when he had his cancer, he’d be dead.
June 17th, 2009 at 7:12 pmremember the embarrassment of the $0 budget brought to US by the party of NO?
They have no health care reform ideas except ideas of how to stall, obstruct, prolong….
June 17th, 2009 at 7:17 pmSo these senators are willing to give up their Gov’t run health care then? Didn’t think so!
Walk the talk or STFU!
June 17th, 2009 at 7:21 pmI hate Republicans….
June 17th, 2009 at 7:22 pmI. Just. Hate. Them.
When will John McCain and his entorage realize John McCain screwed up really bad and good people don’t want him around Washington any more? The same goes for all the Republicans so it seems.
June 17th, 2009 at 7:22 pmEvery good thing that happens is one more nail in the coffin of the GOP. Bring on the good stuff.
June 17th, 2009 at 7:23 pmRepublic Fascist Party agenda -
Doing good for Insurance & big pharma companies…YOU BETCHA.
Doing good for American citizens….WHO?
Fcuk the Republic Fascist Party
June 17th, 2009 at 7:25 pmFolks, do not give any contributions to any party. If you support a candidate, make sure your contributions go to the candidate.
Giving money to a ‘Party’ is just that. They will take the money and ‘party as they see fit and, odds are, your wishes will mean doodly squat.
Support what you want to support and if any group waffles, keep your money.
June 17th, 2009 at 7:25 pmAmericasBack Says:
Hoodathunktick, if you have a pre-existing condition – then run for office.
I would but I also have a low gag reflex.
June 17th, 2009 at 7:28 pmRemember during the elections, when John McCain tried to blackmail the MSM? How about when John MCain accused his opponenets of palin’ around with terrists? When John McCain suggested a hundred years of occuption in Iraq? When John McCain sang the bomb Iran song? How he thinks the US should meddle in Iran’s affairs?
Now why should we, they, anybody care what John McCain has to say any more?
June 17th, 2009 at 7:44 pmI’m tired of my tax dollars going to keep cutting that lesion off his face! Come on, he’s old already!
June 17th, 2009 at 8:05 pmI am so confused here. The Democrats had absolutely NO power during the first six years of the Bush Administration. They were shut out of everything. They were not allowed to introduce legislation or amendments. So can someone tell me why the Republics have so much power now? They are less in number than the Democrats were when they were in the majority and yet they seem to be able to disrupt and obstruct at will. How is this happening and why is it happening?
June 17th, 2009 at 8:12 pmI have written both my senators and my congressman asking them to sponsor a bill revoking all congressional healthcare and not allow perquisites to receive said healthcare. They must be required to go out and find it on their own.
Obviously, I am not holding my breath or even expecting an answer.
Currently 47 million Americans out of 306 million are without healthcare. That is flat out disgusting.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:18 pmMagic, BHB, PFM.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:19 pmFirst of all, there is no health care CRISIS!
Second, this isn’t about health casre AT ALL.
It’s about total government control of your life. It’s about forcing private health insurance companies out of business. It’s about the statist’s ultimate goal, which he has already spoken to: Single-payer, government health insurance.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:20 pmTim Vaculik Says:First of all, there is no health care CRISIS!
So shut up.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:22 pm“First of all, there is no health care CRISIS!”
Until you lose yours. Then tell me there is no CRISIS. Try asking the 47 MILLION Americans that have NO health care!!!
June 17th, 2009 at 8:23 pmLiberalVoter,
I wonder if you have researched that 47 million figure you just quoted, or did you just accept it without question.
The truth is that after you break it down, there’s a sizeable number of people that choose NOT to buy health care insurance!
The real number of people the new Administration’s plan would “help” is closer to 16 million. All for a price tag of close to TWO TRILLION DOLLARS.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:23 pmLiberalVoter,
The United States has the BEAT health care in the world, bar none. Of course there are problems, some of them quite difficult to solve, but the answer is not to destroy the system!!!
June 17th, 2009 at 8:24 pmAnd as for total government control. I hope your health care is able to remove the hook, line and sinker you swallowed. Total right-wing bullshit.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:24 pmTim, Yes I did. And do you honestly believe that people choose NOT to have health care? You cannot be that thick. Who are you shilling for?
June 17th, 2009 at 8:25 pmI meant the BEST health Care system, of course.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:25 pmRandi Rhodes in so many words:
Only 6% of the stimulus money has been released because the obstructive GOP is obstructing those chosen to release the money and over see to be seated.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:26 pmTim Vaculik Says:
I wonder if you have researched that 47 million figure you just quoted, or did you just accept it without question.
The truth is that after you break it down, there’s a sizeable number of people that choose NOT to buy health care insurance!
And you know this how?
Besides, I will probably be one of those who choose not to buy health insurance when my COBRA benefits are up. Because I won’t be able to afford the $1,000+ a month premium they want to cover me because I’m over 50 and have a pre-existing condition.
If there is a god, you will lose your health care coverage soon. Then come back and talk to us.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:26 pmAnd Timmeh, don’t forget all the illegal aliens from Mars and Venus who have a health care cost of 47 gagillion vorbads.
And the fact that the world’s richest nation is whining about paying health care when every other industrialized national can afford it.
STFU, Timmeh.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:26 pmLiberalVoter,
I don’t suppose you’ve studied the Canadian and United Kingdom government run health care systems.
If you had, you might not be in such a hurry to give away your freedom to choose to some unelected bureaucrat in Washington!
June 17th, 2009 at 8:26 pmThe United States has the BEAT(sic) health care in the world, bar none.
WRONG! Try 37th, at BEST.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:27 pmLiberalVoter,
There is most certainly a segment of society that choose NOT to purchase health care insurance. THis is simply a fact. You can research this yourself.
These folks are typically young and just starting their careers. They choose to take a risk of beingh without because they are healthy. No one FORCES them.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:28 pmDon’t confuse Timmeh with facts, his mind is already made up.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:29 pmTim, do you actually read and research or do you just parrot what Limbaugh tells you to? It would take hours to educate you. Try doing some research. And yes I have. I have had first hand experience with British health care. Have you?
June 17th, 2009 at 8:29 pmTimmeh, CUBA can afford public health care!
June 17th, 2009 at 8:30 pmI have also got some news for you folks regarding universal, government health care:
1. It’s not free.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:30 pm2. It ALWAYS produces shortages and limitations.
3. It is still a two-tier system, with the elite having the BEST care.
Timmeh, CUBA can afford public health care.
And nowhere did anyone ever say free except for you nutcases.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:32 pmLiberalVoter,
Don’t listen to Mr. Limbaugh’s show, but that’s beside the point.
Yes, I have studied the government systems, such as the ones in the U.K. and Canada.
There are numerous studies that document just how sub-standard they are, especially when you urgently need life-saving diagnostics and tests to determine what ails you!
Ask yourself this question: if Canada’s system is so wonderful, why do so many Canadians desperate for help COME HERE for their health care, hmmmm?
June 17th, 2009 at 8:33 pmTim, due to your previous ‘facts’, you will need to PROVE your 3 points. Actually, I will give you #1 as that is obvious. You have no credibility. Have YOU ever experienced British health care? I have. I can speak authoritatively about it. Can you?
June 17th, 2009 at 8:34 pmdigging in toolbox for a big hammer
One more time, Timmeh, CUBA can afford public health care.
Don’t make me use the hammer.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:34 pmHoodathunktick,
You’ve been watching too many Michael Moore movies…
June 17th, 2009 at 8:34 pmAsk yourself this question: if Canada’s system is so wonderful, why do so many Canadians desperate for help COME HERE for their health care, hmmmm?
Proof, please. And don’t give me that ‘do your own homework’ bullshit. You are making the claim.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:35 pmLiberalVoter,
Yours is the typical ploy, but I don’t have to prove anything. I can make assertions the same as you.
You can findd the same research and facts that I have IF you care to look for them.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:36 pmProve me wrong. Go to Cuba and get sicker than you are.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:36 pmand don’t be in a hurry to come back.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:37 pmLiberalVoter,
Look, my experience on this blog is that it doesn’t matter WHAT sources I might cite with regards to any topic.
That’s why it is UP TO YOU to think for yourself. I am here simply to provide an alternative viewpoint and a line of reasoning that some may wish to pursue.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:38 pmTim, you are the one with the ploy. I can only conclude you, sir, are full of shit and make things up. My only response to you now is flag and freeze.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:38 pmI’m old enough to remember how proud we, Americans were when WE took on the battle to ‘End hunger in America’.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:39 pmYes it was and remains a large Government program – Food Stamps.But of course those who profess the sanctity of life keep reducing the breath of those covered & vilify those who need it.
But like most things in our “democracy” it has deteriated to where children & families go hungry again, our society bought in (deeper) to the Reganism of trickle down. We accept indivodual & industry greed as the only reason for sucsess.
Turn cold backs to all others, this phraseology of “working Americans” or “working families” is BS, what happened to a society that spoke only of all Americans as deserving of the benefits of living in this place?
My President does need to ‘grow a pair’on Health Care. Not reform, but Health Care for all. What is ‘affordable when you have nothing? When you’ve lost your home & job, or can’t find work, No one seems to mention that the un-employment rate is at 9%, nor remember to count the other 10%+ that ‘fell of the rolls’ since they no longer qualify for benefits?
Or the human misery of suffering & loss? Yet most of us sit by and discuss this as a power struggle between Democrats & Republicans,or the Healthcare Industry & Government.
I’ve always thought that I was supposed to be Guaranteed – “Life, Liberty & the pursuit of Happiness” by the Constitution?
But if I listen to the Conservative pundants, only if I can buy it.
Universal Healthcare should not be a myth, in a country that is the riches in history. As a child I read a SciFi novel that depicted an America where only the rich could buy longer healthier lives, because the poor couldn’t afford it and just died. What good is medical discoveries if only the “chosen’ can buy them, or the drugs to treat illnesses? There seems to be no cures.
Now the attack is that Government will restrict access, yet how long do you wait for the present Healthcare system to see a doctor, my wife waits like a good little girl for two three weeks. And pays a larger premium for that privilage.
America we don’t need affordable or single payer healthcare, we need universal healthcare.
And more importantly we need to acknowledge the humanity of each other and the courage & fortitude to realize what America can be & make it so.
Folks, no matter how some people try, it is simply NOT possible to repeal the laws of economics.
It is simply NOT possible for government to do a better job at providing health care! Just look at Medicare and Medicaid!
June 17th, 2009 at 8:41 pmBullshit TV cleanup on #77
June 17th, 2009 at 8:42 pmTimmeh, go anywhere. Try almost any European country. Get sick. Go to the hospital. Then share your experience rather than your talking points.
Again, don’t hurry back.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:43 pmTimmeh, the UK established their medical system in the horrible aftermath of WWII. It has been working that long. It ain’t perfect but no system is. The fact is they did it when their country was hammered about as flat as can be.
And the richest country in the world is saying it is impossible. Timmeh, go kiss a wet duck.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:46 pmHoodathunktick, you hit it exactly. All TV has is talking points. No proof, no experience, nothing but a load of hogwash he is pushing from his right wing download.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:46 pmIf every industrialized nation on the planet, without the supposed massive resources of the US, can make public health care happen, the US is farting in the wind.
For the first time in the history of the United States, we are admitting that someone else, including CUBA, can do something we can’t.
Timmeh, make sure its a deep French kiss on that wet duck.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:50 pmHoodathunktick,
I never said it was impossible. I said in so many words that if we allow this to happen, we will reduce our health care system to a less desireable standard. The one endured by citizens in countries with government run health care.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:51 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
I am so confused here. The Democrats had absolutely NO power during the first six years of the Bush Administration. They were shut out of everything. They were not allowed to introduce legislation or amendments. So can someone tell me why the Republics have so much power now? They are less in number than the Democrats were when they were in the majority and yet they seem to be able to disrupt and obstruct at will. How is this happening and why is it happening?
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The reason is that The Republicans are using whatever means are at their disposal to try to block all of Obama’s agenda. It’s just “grand-standing” and “political posturing” from the GOP’s. Again the Republicans have “no” solution to anything. That’s why their trying to throw “curve balls” and “distract” Obama and America away from what is really important. I applaud the Obama Administration for staying the course and not getting to distracted with the Republican’s “stupid” nonsense. That’s why the GOP wants to start it up with Iran which would be another “distraction” away from the real issues facing America.
That’s why the Obama Administration and the Dems have already promised to use the “budget reconciliation process” to pass the health care reform act.
I say, phuck the GOP!! and pass health care reform bill without them, as they still don’t have a viable solution, to anything.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:51 pmThese are all delaying tactics to try and get the public to go against the health care reform. The second objective is to water down any health care reform so that it will be easy for the Republicans to repeal when they take control of Congress again. The best thing for the Dems is to put in a public choice option and to make major changes in health care so that it will be next to impossible for the Republicans to turn back any reforms.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:53 pmIt is always apparent when I start commenting on this blog that many folks here must lead very sheltered lives. It’s either that or they just don’t avail themselves of the vast amount of information and readily available facts that are coming from any number of credible sources.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:53 pmRHF,
I usually regret answering you, but this bears a response:
June 17th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Yesca_Again. Nice post. You are right, health care should be for ALL. And yes, the poor in this country do get dumped on.
One nit in an otherwise nice post,
life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
is from the Declaration of Independence and not the Constitution. One could argue, though, that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are what the Constitution outlines for us.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:55 pmTimmeh, Timmeh. Those poor bastards in Europe and Canada and Australia and CUBA, with all their cripples and mutants, clogging their streets. The helpless sufferers just hanging out, waiting to be admitted.
Like I said, bonehead, go anywhere with public healthcare and then talk about how ‘horrible’ they have it. But send it by mail.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:57 pmLiberalVoter,
Perhaps you could quote those passages in the Declaration and the Constitution that gaurantee us all a “right” to health care.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:57 pmRHF,
Correlation does not imply causation. Statistics 101, my friend.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:58 pmTV Bullshit cleanup needed on #87
June 17th, 2009 at 8:58 pmRHF,
The truth hurts, doesn’t it?
June 17th, 2009 at 8:59 pmTimmeh, get out of your ’shelter’. Grab a boat or a plane and fly to CUBA. Drive up to Canada. Go somewhere other than your basement, listen to something other than AM Rush.
Get a life.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:59 pmTV Bullshit cleanup on #94 and #95
June 17th, 2009 at 9:00 pmTV Bullshit cleanup needed on #88
June 17th, 2009 at 9:02 pmTV Bullshit cleanup needed on #99
June 17th, 2009 at 9:02 pmHi Tim Vaculik
June 17th, 2009 at 9:05 pmWelcome dbadass. RHF has been tweeking him. Happy thumping.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:07 pmThe truth hurts, doesn’t it?
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June 17th, 2009 at 9:10 pmSo Tim
Shall we start with a discussion of the meaning of truth?
Tim Vaculik Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 9:36 pm…truth is that after you break it down, there’s a sizeable number of people that choose NOT to buy health care insurance!
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Is it because they can’t afford private health care?
Tim Vaculik Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 9:44 pmIt is always apparent when I start commenting on this blog that many folks here must lead very sheltered lives. It’s either that or they just don’t avail themselves of the vast amount of information and readily available facts that are coming from any number of credible sources.
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Like Fixed News is a credible source of information? So if you think that many of the folks on here lead very sheltered lives than what are you doing on this blog?
No wonder Gallup found more people trust the insurance companies than trust the GOP on healthcare. Insurance companies! It’s like America is saying we trust these well-known hard-core corporate thieves not to screw us over as badly as the GOP. And today McCain and Gregg are going out their way to demonstrate why.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:47 pmTim Vaculik Says:
It is always apparent when I start commenting on this blog that many folks here must lead very sheltered lives. It’s either that or they just don’t avail themselves of the vast amount of information and readily available facts that are coming from any number of credible sources.
Perhaps I am not a credible source, but I will tell you what happens in Holland when you need healthcare. There is a goverment driven healt care coverage for every citizen here. Part of the premium we pay passes through the national treasury. (about $110) On top of that I pay $200 a month to an insurance company of my choice. So does my son. He now needs surgery, because he has (don’t know the medical term in English) a back-hernia. Decision made last week by his doctor: put him on top of the list. Today I took him to the hospital recommended by his doctor, he talked to the surgeon,
and they will operate on him next monday. No fuss about coverage, doctors / surgeons call the shots here. All the insurance companies need is a diagnosis and a recommendation for treatment. And they will pay the bill, directly to the hospital. No worries.
And if there would have been a need for my son to go abroad,
that would have been covered too.
I don’t know what it is you people are afraid of.
It’s just a matter of simple calculations, and a bit of solidarity with your neighbor. Do the math and save some lives.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:56 pmTim Vaculik Says:
LiberalVoter,
Perhaps you could quote those passages in the Declaration and the Constitution that gaurantee us all a “right” to health care.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:04 pm=============
The Pursuit of Happiness guarantee’s America the “right” to health care. And whatever else American’s may “deemed” necessary on their pursuit of finding happiness either through public or private means; it’s called having the “liberty” the choose.
Almost two decades after a mineral mine near Libby, Mont., was shut down because of asbestos contamination, the town’s residents are still suffering from related diseases. EPA declared the whole town a HAZMAT. I wonder who will pick-up Libby’s big health care bill, as most of the people in that town are sick and poor which most probably can’t even afford private health insurance?
June 17th, 2009 at 10:35 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Hoodathunktick,
I never said it was impossible. I said in so many words that if we allow this to happen, we will reduce our health care system to a less desireable standard. The one endured by citizens in countries with government run health care.
You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about, mr. Vac-u-lick.
Are you saying that a system that is implemented in many industrialized countries all over the world could not be succesfully implemented in the US?
And that’s why it is better to do nothing?
You, “sir” are actually saying:
“Let the poor die, it’s not my responsability.”
But you cover that up by echoing BS talking points.
YOU are the problem of the US.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:56 pm.
Amazing, eFFn, evil, Repugs, how dare them. They want to treat the issue with serious analysis. Idiots!
http://freemarketcure.com/
:)
absurd thought –
God of the Universe says
DESTROY your health care system
ration care to save money
June 18th, 2009 at 12:44 amjust wait for critical care
.
USSpace.
You are astonishingly stupid. You are a worthless punkass troll. What do you get out of showing everyone how stupid you are? We already know you are stupid and pathetic. So exactly what are you accomplishing by parading just how stupid and pathetic you are?
June 18th, 2009 at 12:54 amEugeneDebs,
Thank you, and you admire a famous communist. You must be brilliant. You might be, but one must have at least one screw loose to ‘believe’ in communism. It can’t work, never has, and never will. It’s fine for ants and bees, but not for humans. We are all too different. But deep, deep down, I think you know this.
*wink*
absurd thought -
God of the Universe loves
a health care bureaucracy
keep patients running around
June 18th, 2009 at 1:01 amcharge them every time
.
.
RepubliCANs HF,
You probably think Sweden (with only 10 million people) has great Health care.
Sweden is running out of money, people there don’t have much spending cash. Everything is very expensive, much more so than in the US. Their healthcare is also a huge bureaucratic mess. It’s not FREE either, not by any means.
My buddy in Sweden had to keep running around, and back and forth, and paying about $30 each time, for just a simple removal of a cyst. He also had to buy antiseptic sponges and clean himself at home before going to the hospital for the operation. How stupid is all that.
http://gummihund.blogspot.com/2008/11/whohoo-surgery.html
It will never get as bad as Cuba though, so don’t worry.
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
:)
absurd thought –
God of the Universe says
keep your people poor
deny them decent healthcare
convince them they have it GREAT
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
KILL all the old people
and the mentally ill
June 18th, 2009 at 2:05 amwhen they pay no more taxes
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Thank You LiberalVoter for the correction, I should have made sure before posting. But as a VietNam Vet, tax payer, father, etc I’ve always seen these documents as one and the same.
June 18th, 2009 at 3:49 amThe ying & yang of what we are as a Nation.
Seems many here feel that the present system of Healthcare is being run the best it could, for whom?
Not the cancer victim, or the Asthmatic child, or the other hundred and one illnesses or diseases that go untreated because they don’t have the money to pay for a doctor’s visit or the medicine for it.
Not to get so religious, “but for the grace of God go I’ is real life for many of us Americans and God does not reward the good everytime bad things happen. Ask those who were renditioned and are now years later still held for nothing.
America has taken on such a hard heart & a layer of cynasism in spirit that we deny & condemn everything, even each others humanity.
I’ve represented Doctors, nurses, clerks, janitors in my professional capacity. Each one, once you get pass certain sterotypical baises & prejudices are all pretty much the same. We all screw up and pretend we’re better than we really are. We all make mistakes and there is a certain level of real incompetance, Peter’s second principle.
So, back to HC. The private sector does not do things better or cheaper, it only skims off the top, incase you forgot that 65 – 85% of this nations wealth is controled by 3-5% of the population? What made America great was a profit margin of 10%, not 30-50%, and capital investment. That’s capital as in machinery, workforce, etc. Employer HC wasn’t incorperated as a kindness, but a way to insure your workforce was healthy enough to come to work & perform. Oh yeah, public Health was to keep the population from infecting everybody from such little things as maleria, cholera, small pox etc.
Seems the Right & those moderate Democrats had no problem spending Billions or is it now Trillions to invade & destory a sovereign nation that did us no harm, sacrificed 4000+ lives of our service men & women, for what?
Gave Billions to Wall St, so those already incontrol wouldn’t lose any equity (wealth)and none complained very hard.
Yet the same people are doing everything they can, to keep any funding for the American people’s welfare from being spent or allocated.
So it’s OK to pour money down a hole but not to make America a better place for all Americans. To lift the weight of illness or injury?
My Neice & her husband complained about their healthcare premiums being so high that food etc were juggled. They felt that having employer covered healthcare was unfair and should be stopped, since they didn’t have it at their employment. Forget those have it or those who fought for it had given up salary to get it.
Our food is laddened with all kinds of wild & crazy stuff, which effects our natural metabolism, bringing out or making us susceptible to things like obesity, strokes, high blood pressure, Diabetes, etc. But we have laws that were supposed to control that stuff, and track the effects of them. But for the last 20+ years the Republican mantra and actions have done everything to negate them, throught under funding and waviers. There is a causality here, just like the Investment industry and the regulators or lack there of. There are laws on the books about that stuff too.
It isn’t just Bush’s or the rights fault but that of those who saw/see profit through the injury to the many. That’s the many who have no lobbist or vested interest or power, just the us folks who are suppose to buy this, as what does our voice matter anyway, or somehow believe or hope that they will be part of that select 3-5%. Do the math.
Obama is our start not our end, he is just a man, who can really zap a fly, since he’s so new he probably still wants to do the best he can. So the real burden still lies with the rest of us. The status quo should never be good enough. America was & is still an experiment in democracy. We ain’t done yet, if universal Healthcare doesn’t work imagine how much money you can make later on it. But if it does work imagine what we can do next, what adventures our children will spark when they reach their majority. As for the bill, what do you think our parents left us, it’s all relative anyway. Clinton payed the last one off.
Our parents took Humanity to the Moon, why can’t we just make this place a better one?
EugeneDebs Says nothing as usual. This poster adds nothing to any discussion and only serves the purpose of getting out their hostilities of their own pathetic life by hating on others.
June 18th, 2009 at 9:57 amJohn Mccain: corrupt politician, greedy and without scruples. Only out for himself. Who did he pretend to appeal to (he just looks into the mirror) has no problem calling his wife a whore. What a picece of shit.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:18 amTim Vaculik Says:
I said in so many words that if we allow this to happen, we will reduce our health care system to a less desireable standard. The one endured by citizens in countries with government run health care.
Except that most of those countries rank ahead of us in health care. I mean, that’s just a fact. So the premise of your complaint is false. Now that you know that, will you switch sides on the issue?
June 18th, 2009 at 10:21 amI have seen the British health care system up close and personal…and I would call them anything but superior to our health care system. They suck. People die waiting to be seen…or go to Scotland…Private clinics…in order to save their lives. The rich can afford it…the poor just die in silence.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:53 amSo what is the alternative without socialized medicine? It is no health care at all for people who cannot afford it, the county hospital where care is less than optimal, and people using the emergency rooms for health care since they cannot be turned away. Public health clinics cannot accommodate the 40 million that have no health insurance in the US. Socialized health care even with its faults is better than the alternatives.
June 18th, 2009 at 11:14 amRepublicans try to obstruct (fill in the blank)…
This is the only tactic they have…no solutions, just wanting President Obama to fail.
June 18th, 2009 at 11:28 amRealityCheck Says:
I have seen the British health care system up close and personal…and I would call them anything but superior to our health care system. They suck.
This is a lie. You’ve never been to England.
It’s cute how whenever we cite actual data, some anonymous Internet wingnut responds with “well I saw it firsthand, and all of the publicly known facts are wrong!”
By the way, people die in hosital waiting rooms in the U.S. all the time.
June 18th, 2009 at 11:34 amElBruce, good call on the bullshit.
June 18th, 2009 at 12:34 pmYesca_Again, thank you for your service. I don’t believe our Vets hear that enough. I was surprised when the doctor at the VA said that to me at the end of my appointment. I was left speechless (which is rare for me).
As for my nit, please ignore it. The point you were making is much more important. You have the correct spirit.
And your latest post says a lot and we should all be ashamed we have allowed this to happen to our country.
June 18th, 2009 at 12:39 pmHow to get a decent health insurance plan quickly:
1. Cancel health insurance for Congress until they come up a
June 18th, 2009 at 2:24 pmplan
2. They can have coverage back when they have a plan that
covers everybody at a reasonable cost.
3. Their coverage can’t be any better than the public option
I agree with the above plan. Take away Congress’ freebies and let them see what happens when you have to pay exorbitant premiums and co-pays on everything or insurance companies denie medicals.
June 18th, 2009 at 5:25 pmThank you..
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