Reneging on pledge to give Obama his ‘silence,’ President Bush criticizes Obama’s health care plan.
Reneging on pledge to give Obama his ‘silence,’ President Bush criticizes Obama’s health care plan.
After initially stating that he wanted President Obama to “succeed” and that he owed Obama his “silence,” President Bush yesterday decided to reverse course and criticize the President. The former President took aim at Obama’s desire to introduce a public health insurance option for Americans:
“There are a lot of ways to remedy the situation without nationalizing health care,” Mr. Bush said. “I worry about encouraging the government to replace the private sector when it comes to providing insurance for health care.”
Asked by the evening emcee at the 104th annual Manufacturer and Business Association meeting if he finds the new president’s policies “socialist,” Mr. Bush started then stopped.
“I hear a lot of those words, but it depends on…,” he said, breaking off. He later offered a more diplomatic assessment: “We’ll see.”
Former Gov. Howard Dean, a strong advocate of a public plan, responded to Bush’s criticisms this morning on NBC’s Today Show. “We’ve had a government system for 50 years,” Dean said. “The Republicans didn’t like it then — it’s called Medicare. Everybody over 65 is already in the government system. Let the people who are under 65 make a choice.” Watch it:
A new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll finds that 76 percent of respondents believe that it is “extremely” or “quite” important to “give people a choice of both a public plan administered by the federal government and a private plan for their health insurance.”
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At a time when the Obama push for health care reform appears to be struggling, he needed a push that would galvanize the public, to make them see what kind of people were trying to make the argument that the present expensive, inefficient system was adequate. I never thought I would say this and feel a little sick inside but. . . thank you for opening your mouth George, we needed that.
Somewhere near the oval office, Rahm smiles.
June 18th, 2009 at 9:56 am“There are a lot of ways to remedy the situation without nationalizing health care,” Mr. Bush said.
– - So George, which way did you use?
June 18th, 2009 at 9:57 amI really despise David Gregory.
June 18th, 2009 at 9:57 amKudos to Howard Dean especially when he says that Obama is out there on his own, and other Democrats need to get behind him and help fight th Republican opposition.
The party of NO is the expert on opposition – if it’s Democratic, their answer is NO. Screw the people.
Wonder how Bush likes his taxpayer-funded public health plan?
PEACE
June 18th, 2009 at 9:58 amHEY DUBYA, NO ONE WANTS TO NATIONALIZE HEALTHCARE! THIS GUY CANNOT COME BACK INTO OUR LIVES. CHENEY IS MORE THAN ENOUGH AND NOW THIS! IF THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS SO WONDERFUL AT SOLVING ECONOMIC ISSUES AND CREATING JOBS, THEN WHY DID THEY ROYALLY F**K EVERYTHING UP AND THEN ASK FOR A HANDOUT? GREED DIDN’T WIN HERE, IT DEMORALIZED US. I HOPE WE DON’T HEAR FROM THIS IDIOT AGAIN. EIGHT YEARS WAS MORE THAN ENOUGH
June 18th, 2009 at 10:00 amAND ANOTHER THING, SOMEONE REMOVE DAVID GREGORY FROM TV.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:01 amThe only people between you & your Dr. are elected officials.
These jokers need the heat on them turned up. WAY up.
-THEY have public healthcare
-THEY make money off of our premiums
-THEY need to hear from all of us…
No public option, no vote for you in 2010.
No public option, no campaign donations to you.
No public option, I will donate to the OTHER canidate.
No public option, NO Congressional health coverage.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:02 amBush is such a nuckelhead. He has not done anything right.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:04 amDean is really a sharp guy, I think he is a doctor right?
I’m going to go with Dean on this one.
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There has been quite a storm brewing on this issue, heck, I even got a strange automated call yesterday on health care.
At least he managed to stop himself from saying the “S” word. That’s an impressive feat for someone so breathtakingly dumb.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:08 amliberalinaredstate Says:
AND ANOTHER THING, SOMEONE REMOVE DAVID GREGORY FROM TV.
I’ll second that notion.
I was never a big Russert fan, but Gregory is, perhaps, the worst pol talking head on TV. He brash, he’s not very smart and he’s a prick.
David, go back to dancing with KKKarl. Maybe you two could get on
‘Dancing With The Scars’…
June 18th, 2009 at 10:08 amIt’s troubling that all these politicians get the best “public health care” offered to them for the rest of their lives using our tax dollars but tell me and you “no” that were not entitled to any public option.
Mr. Bush said. “I worry about encouraging the government to replace the private sector when it comes to providing insurance for health care.” Another pathetic misnomer from sorry a$$ Bush.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:09 amProof! This SOB Bush is in the pocket of the insurance industry, along with every other corporation that hands out money to enrich GOP politicians. When are we going to learn that the BOP is the party of Greed, Hate and Royalty. George Bush has never worked for the people of this country.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:13 am“There are a lot of ways to remedy the situation without nationalizing health care,” Mr. Bush said.
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I don’t suppose he bothered to name any of these “ways”? And how they would truly “remedy” the situation instead of being just a bunch of hot air designed to appease the public while enriching the coffers of the industry players?
Go back to whatever you were doing, George.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:14 amYou mean the abusive alcoholic/cocaine-addict that was fraudulently hoisted into the White House via 2 stolen elections LIED?!?!?!?!?!?!
The front man for the criminal cabal that created 9/11 has not kept his word?
Shocking, folks, simply shocking…
June 18th, 2009 at 10:16 amBush doesnt give a crap about the uninsured. He never did and he never will. What did he do for the uninsured while in office for eight years?
June 18th, 2009 at 10:17 amWe need national health care. Health care should not be a money making proposition. The only reason that the Republicans do not support the public option is money. Take greed out of health care! I am so tired of W. I was hoping he would just go and clear brush, and stay off the national stage…
June 18th, 2009 at 10:18 amThis is the reason George Bush opened his mouth….his family who has a big stake in the Carlyle Group owns a buch of health care facilities across the nation. A public option would put a kink in the profits….and there we have GWB opening his big fat mouth now….when it’s going to effect his wealth…..F***en Pig and the rest of Repugs….all F***EN pigs!!!!!!!
If Iranians can take it to the streets, it’s about time we did as well….single payer!!!!public option!!!!
June 18th, 2009 at 10:20 amZimzone @ 7 you are absolutely phucking correct.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:21 amNot only is it unbelievable that George W. Bush is actually censoring himself, after 8 long years of dictatorial pronouncements and unfettered Executive signing statements…it is refreshing.
It is one of the few things George W. Bush has done that I approve of. Add it to the half dozen or so of his statements and actions of eight years of rule.
Half a dozen. That is the sum of the statements and actions Bush took in his entire Presidency that did NOT weaken the nation, that I approved of.
George W. Bush, to quote your own statement: Who cares what you think?
June 18th, 2009 at 10:22 amSo 76 per cent of the population are being dictated-to by the minority party.
The next person to claim we live in a democracy needs to be sent to the funny farm.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:23 amsome dispute his title as worst president ever but i am not aware of any other president being a war criminal.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:24 amDefending the status quo, which is what Bush is doing, is to defend the greed of those who wish to profit off the sick and dying. It is immoral to do it, and it is immoral to defend it.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:25 amIsn’t this the guy whose brilliant solution for uninsured Americans is “just go to an emergency room”? If we cared what Above-the-Lawrence of Arabia thought, we’d have elected his surrogate.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:25 amBadmoodman Says:
“There are a lot of ways to remedy the situation without nationalizing health care,” Mr. Bush said.
- – So George, which way did you use?
Tax cuts! What else?
ha ha
June 18th, 2009 at 10:25 amOff the subject but, citing Sen. John Ensign’s resignation from his GOP leadership position after copping to an extramarital affair, Democrats are now calling on David Vitter — another Republican with past marital misconduct — to drop his own post within the party.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/18/louisiana-democrats-use-e_n_217192.html
June 18th, 2009 at 10:26 amWell, that should seal the deal. If bush is against it, that means Obama is on the right track. It should now be easy for dems to support the President.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:26 amranus69 Says:
Mr. Bush said. “I worry about encouraging the government to replace the private sector when it comes to providing insurance for health care.”
Another pathetic misnomer from sorry a$$ Bush.
I see KKRove’s fingerprints on that one.
Did you see Rove’s June 11 editorial in the WSJ?
It was called ‘How to Stop Socialized Medicine’ and, amongst other gems, it includes this:
If Democrats enact a public-option health-insurance program, America is on the way to becoming a European-style welfare state.
Unsurprisingly, his piece is full of lies.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:27 amMaybe we need to put some rallies together for the Health care issue. We all know that all republicans do not give one wit for the American people, only themselves, so shrubie running his mouth is no surprise.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:28 amTnis from the guy who bailed out the worlds largest private insurer
June 18th, 2009 at 10:30 amAs always, the “decider” has nothing but contempt for what the vast majority of Americans want.
Of course, this is a man that was never qualified to be pResident on his merits and was nothing more than a smirking face that stood in front of cameras while a criminal cabal committed treason, war crimes, and crimes against humanity.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:31 ammary, having lived in Europe for a few years, European-style welfare state sounds good to me.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:32 amLets see if Bush has a leg to stand on. For starters his Republican conservative agenda destroyed the economy and the lives of millions of people, he criminally politicized every agency of the government, destroyed our constitutional rights, and murdered and destroyed millions of lives with the knowingly false accusations of the Iraqi war.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:34 amHeck of a job Bushie!
Carl Rove;If Democrats enact a public-option health-insurance program, America is on the way to becoming a European-style welfare state.
And whats wrong with that….they have better health care, are paid better, have more entitlements manitory two weeks vacation paid, the people are suppieror and come first before the corporations, free higher education, drugs are affordable, high speed rail lines, EU ranks higher then American kids when it comes to reading, math and science, the elderly are looked after, child care,….i could keep going but I think you get the picture.
We are not stupid Carl….we are not getting fooled by your vision of what is good for America….CORPORATE SLAVERY!!! Is that what is best for America Carl….cheap slaves ???
What this nation needs right now….is you and your neocon friends take a bus ride and blow a tire and go off a cliff!!! I’m tired of being nice….i’ll say in public what most of us say in private….F***en Die Rove!! Just F***EN DIE !!!
June 18th, 2009 at 10:38 amangels81 Says:
mary, having lived in Europe for a few years, European-style welfare state sounds good to me.
Hmm, you have a point there. After all we already DO live in a welfare state in the U.S., but it’s the big companies who are getting most of the welfare money!
June 18th, 2009 at 10:44 amIf 76 per cent of the people want the public option then it isn’t the public than needs any more persuading, is it?
Where’s Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi getting all the Dems in line? Why is it ONLY Dean and Obama (and Barney Frank ?) fighting for this legislation?
As the case FOR the public option really doesn’t need to be made, Dean, (who is doing a stellar) could switch it up a bit.
NO MATTER WHAT THE BS question put to him, he should respond with the same answer:
“76 percent want the FREEDOM of CHOICE of a public option. Republicans are AGAINST that FREEDOM OF CHOICE. The insurance industry is AGAINST that FREEDOM OF CHOICE. The majority is being held HOSTAGE by the minority and SPECIAL INTERESTS.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:48 amWhy are Republicans denying EVEN THEIR OWN VOTERS the FREEDOM to CHOOSE? It’s like the Republicans DON’T TRUST the people WITH the FREEDOM to CHOOSE!”
Well chimpy, you left office with something like 50 MILLION Americans with have NO health insurance.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:55 amYou’re solution: Everyone to the ER, you have health care.
So STFU you fascist pig!
War Criminal!
It is about freaking time “W” stood up against the Body Odor (B.O.) attack machine and explained to him that he is an idiot socialist! B.O. has had it all his way…while criticizing “W’s” Administration each and every day. Where is B.O.’s common courtesy in not trashing the outgoing President? Screw B.O.!!!
“W” has more integrity in his little fingertip…then any of those Socialist have in all their bodies lumped together!
June 18th, 2009 at 10:59 amHoward Dean is right!!! Democrats in congress should be out pushing back against the republicans on the health care issue. But where the F*** are they? The Democrats in congress are about as useful as tits on a boar pig!!!!
June 18th, 2009 at 11:02 amHealth insurers refuse to limit rescission of coverage article from the LA Times pretty interesting article:
//www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-rescind17-2009jun17,0,3508020,full.story
Public option is needed now!!!
June 18th, 2009 at 11:02 amShut up, George.
It’s not only President Obama who deserves your silence — the rest of us do as well.
June 18th, 2009 at 11:07 am76 percent of respondents believe that it is “extremely” or “quite” important to “give people a choice of both a public plan administered by the federal government and a private plan for their health insurance.
Just because that is what the people want, doesn’t mean that the representatives that the people sent to Washington think that is good for us. After all, we the people are just stupid babies and don’t really know what’s good for us, right? Right?
/snark off
June 18th, 2009 at 11:08 amRealityCheck Says:
It is about freaking time “W” stood up against the Body Odor (B.O.) attack machine and explained to him that he is an idiot socialist!
ALthough he quite explicitly avoided saying that, I would like to hear him try as well.
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RealityCheck Says:
B.O. has had it all his way…while criticizing “W’s” Administration each and every day. Where is B.O.’s common courtesy in not trashing the outgoing President? Screw B.O.!!!
People running for President get to criticize the incumbent. Ex-Presidents typically support whoever the President happens to be, even if they’re from the opposing party. Trust me, there’s a lot that Bill Clinton could have said about Bush that he didn’t. So maybe you might not want to jettison that tradition so fast.
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RealityCheck Says:
“W” has more integrity in his little fingertip…then any of those Socialist have in all their bodies lumped together!
We’d be more likely to believe you if you claimed he was still sober. As it is, that’s a laugh line there. “Integrity” is the last thing Bush ever had.
Consider:
1. He claimed to be a fiscal conservative but oversaw massive government waste.
2. He claimed to be a bible-thumping social conservative but didn’t even try to outlaw abortion.
A lot of right wingers like to defend against such points by saying Bush wasn’t a “real conservative” and lamenting that they didn’t have somebody like Ron Paul in there at least. So how do you now claim he had “integrity?” He cynically used all of you just to clean out the government coffers for his rich friends. That’s your tax money he wasted on all those no-bid contracts under the cover of a war he chose to start.
Of all people, a conservative shouldn’t call Bush a man of “integrity.” You’ve got even more to be mad at him about than us liberals. We just got ignored and rode over in implementing his horrible policies. You guys got played like a fiddle in violating all of your principles too.
June 18th, 2009 at 11:08 amThat was one mighty fine smackdown, ElBruce.
June 18th, 2009 at 11:15 amElBruce Says:
People running for President get to criticize the incumbent. Ex-Presidents typically support whoever the President happens to be, even if they’re from the opposing party. Trust me, there’s a lot that Bill Clinton could have said about Bush that he didn’t.
BS…being President and running for President are two different things! Maybe if B.O. had more class then someone recently removed from the ghetto…he would have known the difference. As it is…he slams “W” each and every single speech he makes…and frankly…it is about time he got his comeuppance.
…and “trust you”…a lefty…to speak about Clint-on? I think not. Bill put himself right out front before “W” even took office and started badmouthing him the very first day he was out of office. Is you’re memory so short? So what was Billy gonna teach “W”…how to get a young intern to blow him in the oral office…while his wife was going down on her lesbian security lover?!!?
June 18th, 2009 at 11:17 amUnreal Czech:
Got Acid?
June 18th, 2009 at 11:19 ammary lacewing,
Yeah, I read that article which was simply pure “sewer gibberish” from KKRove as usual. He is one erson that really get’s up under my skin, the guy is nothing but a “lying walking sack of shyt.” And the people that listen to him is even “dumber” than Bush.
All it takes to shut KKRove up to say he’s gay and a stalker.
June 18th, 2009 at 11:21 amI didn’t bother to watch, does he still act like it’s a major personal victory when he pronounces a word with more than one syllable ?
June 18th, 2009 at 11:21 amjust ignore and flag the racist “RealityCheck”
OFnF is in effect
June 18th, 2009 at 11:22 amHey “Reality Check” You should never use the word integrity and G Dubya Bush in the same sentence. It actually flies in the face of common sense. President Obama is not a Socialist. He’s a realist. The man you hold in high esteem actually bankrupted this country, admittedly said, “I’m leaving you this mess” before leaving on another vacation. I understand that you are ill informed, but pls go somewhere else and embarrass yourself. Like maybe foxnation.com. You seem to be more suited for that website. GW BUSH is a MONSTER!
June 18th, 2009 at 11:22 amRealityCheck’s reality checks keeps getting returned due to insufficient funds.
June 18th, 2009 at 11:22 amWhen you have no medical health plan, a public choice option is the best we can offer. A less than optimal health care plan is better than no plan at all. Currently, we have Medicaid for the poor and even that does not cover a lot. That leaves the county hospital and free health care clinics to deal with medical for those who have no insurance or money. Many people without health care insurance use emergency rooms because they cannot be turned away and even the hospitals admit this is a serious problem. Many of those health issues could have been taken care of by medical care outside the emergency room.
June 18th, 2009 at 11:23 amBush still doesn’t get it (which I guess is no surprise). Private run healthcare is the mother of all conflicts of interest. It is the private sectors responsibility to stockholders to earn a profit. To do that with healthcare means to cut services, payments, etc., to patients TO MINIMIZE OPERATING EXPENSES. Conversely, it is the companies responsibility, in an ideal world, to cover only healthy people who pay their premiums to ’stuff their coffers’ as Bush would say. Basic Corporate Accounting 101.
June 18th, 2009 at 11:24 amThe GOP’s favorite bumpersticker catchphrase right now is, “do you want a bureaucrat between you and your doctor?”. Well why the he11 aren’t the Dems pushing back because what we have right now is a block of regressive Republican master bureaucrats standing firmly between you and affordable health care in order to protect the bottom line of the insurance industry and big pharma! The longer this drags out more money is being poured into the coffers of blue dog DINOs who are more than willing to screw the general public in order to protect their big money donors. Time is the enemy of the prospect of a public option. The longer this drags out the chances of American citizens and small business owners gaining relief from an over-expensive out of control broken system are drifting farther and farther away.
June 18th, 2009 at 11:27 amWhat is REALLY disgusting is that my very financially secure parents (retired stockbroker (dad) and marketing director(mom)) are on MEDICARE. Naturally, they are members of the Republic Fascist Party. Socialism for the rich! Incredible.
June 18th, 2009 at 11:27 amCall me all the despicable troll names you want if it makes you feel like men or whatever (that includes the lefty lesbians and dstankass too). The fact is you call me names because you know I am right. B.O. has no honor…and is just a newly removed ghetto child…who is totally mucking up this great country. Look at how far it has gotten him so far.
Lies…that what Body Odor promotes…LIES!
June 18th, 2009 at 11:28 amShorter RealityBites:Hey! The president is a ni…[bell rings]!
June 18th, 2009 at 11:38 amAlso, I can’t get laid, so you must all be lesbians.
#55 flagged for racism
June 18th, 2009 at 11:39 amNewsflash!!!!! Bush is a lying idiot drunken looser who for 8 years ran our country in to the ground. And we should listen to him why?
June 18th, 2009 at 11:39 amReality Check spews:
…So what was Billy gonna teach “W”…how to get a young intern to blow him in the oral office…while his wife was going down on her lesbian security lover?!!?
June 18th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Then Reality Check whines:
Call me all the despicable troll names you want if it makes you feel like men or whatever…
June 18th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Whiplash much…?
June 18th, 2009 at 11:42 amRantingTommy Says:
#55 flagged for racism
June 18th, 2009 at 11:39 am
And across the board stunning stupidity.
June 18th, 2009 at 11:44 amMy favorite thing about UnemploymentCheck is that he actually writes out “Body Odor”, because he’s terrified someone might not get his super-witty “BO” nickname and his brilliance might go unappreciated.
June 18th, 2009 at 11:48 amI also guarantee he accused David Letterman of having “no class” with a straight face.
RealityCheck Says:
BS…being President and running for President are two different things!
That’s exactly what I’m saying. Being and ex-President is a different thing also. Traditionally, ex-Presidents don’t criticize people sitting in office. People running for office get to. Bush criticized Clinton in 2000. Dole did in 1996. That’s expected. However, Bush 41 didn’t criticize Clinton, and Clinton didn’t criticize Bush 43.
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RealityCheck Says:
Maybe if B.O. had more class then someone recently removed from the ghetto…
Racist.
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RealityCheck Says:
Bill put himself right out front before “W” even took office and started badmouthing him the very first day he was out of office. Is you’re memory so short?
Apparently it is. Citation, please?
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RealityCheck Says:
The fact is you call me names because you know I am right.
That doesn’t make any sense. If I knew you were right I’d agree with you. However, I know you are wrong, have explained in detail precisely what you are wrong about and why, and then called you names because your intentional ignorance in defense of the intentional destruction of American principles offends me.
June 18th, 2009 at 12:54 pmRealityCheck Says:
Call me all the despicable troll names you want if it makes you feel like men or whatever (that includes the lefty lesbians and dstankass too). The fact is you call me names because you know I am right. B.O. has no honor…and is just a newly removed ghetto child…who is totally mucking up this great country. Look at how far it has gotten him so far.
Lies…that what Body Odor promotes…LIES!
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Aw…poor baby you forget to get soap yesterday for that bad body odor spewing from that mouth of hate of yours?
HA,HA President Obama is your Commander-in-Chief.
June 18th, 2009 at 12:55 pmGood, now we can stop with the BS praise of Bush for “keeping quiet” about Obama. It kind of undermines your “I’m keeping quiet” claim when you send every attack dog from your previous administration (Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Nicole Wallace, Ari Fleischer, etc.) out on a daily basis attacking the Obama administration. It annoyed me that people were praising Bush when he really wasn’t being honorably “silent” at all. He just used people on his direct payroll to attack Obama instead of doing it himself.
June 18th, 2009 at 1:10 pmRantingTommy Says:
#55 flagged for racism
Ranting Tommy flagged for stupidity!
June 18th, 2009 at 1:32 pmranus69 Says:
HA,HA President Obama is your Commander-in-Chief.
Nope…to me he is just another idiot from the left!
But “W” was yours!
June 18th, 2009 at 1:34 pmLets give bUSH the lesser the benefit of the doubt here. I too would worry about the government nationalizing health care if say bUSH and the republicans were in control.
June 18th, 2009 at 1:35 pmRealityCheck is another racist, hateful, ignorant, scumbag from the right who is like a plague within our country, a cancerous tumor that needs to be removed at any cost.
June 18th, 2009 at 1:38 pmWell, the pledge to remain silent lasted a lot longer than a lot of Bush’s promises.
June 18th, 2009 at 2:17 pmWith as much whining and blaming that Obama does I really think Bush has done a good job of just letting things slide. Bush inherited a recession (though not as bad) but didn’t have a daily “blame-conference” to point a finger at Clinton. He doesn’t even mention Obama’s name in these comments, he simply offers his opinion on socia…oops…I mean government run health care. I was watching CSPAN last night and this legislature isn’t even complete, nor does it have a realistic budget. I don’t understand why Obama and the Dems are constantly trying to push through incomplete legislature. If anyone else watched the actual committee meeting you would know that the current expected cost of the incomplete plan is 3 trillion dollars. They want to pass this garbage without even a plan to pay for it. I wish they wouldn’t show the D or R after every senator’s name and I would be amused to see how many people found out they actually agreed with the opposite party. Just try turning off your political party biases and listen to what is being proposed once in a while. I read these posts and quite frankly it’s the common man that makes me more afraid for this country than the damn politicians. Let’s educate ourselves and leave the name-calling to the kids in the schoolyard.
June 18th, 2009 at 2:18 pmRealityCheck Says:
Nope…to me he is just another idiot from the left!
But “W” was yours!
Oh, please do explain the difference to me, I’m fascinated to hear all about it! And I hope that it’s not just “skin deep.”
Fact is, neither of ‘em are my commander in chief, ‘cuz I ain’t in the military. Duh.
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jaylee98 Says:
With as much whining and blaming that Obama does…
Citation? Or do you not know how to format a hyperlink that redirects to your imagination?
June 18th, 2009 at 2:32 pmElBruce:
Here’s Obama whining about Fox News:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/06/17/oreilly_on_obama_attacking_fox_news.html
If you need a link to hear one of the countless times that Obama said “I inherited this problem” when asked about doubling the deficit in less than 100 days then you really shouldn’t be posting on a political thread.
June 18th, 2009 at 2:39 pmjaylee98,
I cannot agree with Republicans BECAUSE THEY OFFER NO PLAN. They tell us how bad Obama’s budget is without an alternative budget. They tell us how bad “amnesty” for illegal immigrants is, yet they offer no plan to deal with the problem. They won’t even face that things like health care and the economy overall are a problem, let alone offer any ideas for how to improve things. About a year ago Hannity and the other right-wing clowns were saying the economy was just fine and we didn’t need any kind of action.
The Republicans have degenerated into the party of mindless talking points, cheap political tricks, and zero ideas.
By the way, what was the plan to pay for the Iraq War before it was passed? What was the plan for paying for the Medicare drug expansion? What was the idea for how to pay for No Child Left Behind? What was the plan to pay for ANY of the Bush/Republican Congress bills??? Did you forget they took a Clinton-era surplus and turned it into record deficits??? And you are just so outraged about all that spending, you are here defending President Bush.
June 18th, 2009 at 2:43 pmjaylee98 Says:
Here’s Obama whining about Fox News:
You just linked to ORly complaining about the comment Obama made that we’ve already addressed in this thread. Page up.
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jaylee98 Says:
If you need a link to hear one of the countless times that Obama said “I inherited this problem…”
That’s not whining or blaming. That’s just a fact. The problem occurred before he was even elected.
Pointing out that an attempt to blame someone is invalid on its factual basis is not the same thing as blaming someone else. And it’s not whining, as he is actually dealing with the problem.
I’m sorry that you don’t like the facts, but that doesn’t make them Obama’s fault.
June 18th, 2009 at 2:58 pmWe must to borrow Bush’s words, err on the side of life. Universal health care will do wonders for infant mortality and people who would die due to lack of coverage won’t. After all, who among those infants who die would be the one to cure cancer, become a famous pianist, President of the United States?
June 18th, 2009 at 3:00 pmjaylee98 Says:
I fail to see where telling the truth, i.e. that President Obama is having to deal with the mess left behind by George W. Bush, can be seen as whining. To be honest, if I were Bush, knowing I had created the economic hardship that we are all currently facing and got to simply walk away from any responsibility for it, I think I would be keeping a low profile regarding putting myself in the public eye, let alone trying to critique the guy who’s cleaning up my mess.
In other words, unless W can provide something in the way of a solution to what President Obama is dealing with, he needs to go back on his meds, crawl back into his bottle, and STFU.
June 18th, 2009 at 3:01 pmElBruce:
Here’s Obama whining about Fox News:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/06/17/oreilly_on_obama_attacking_fox_news.html
If you need a link to hear one of the countless times that Obama said “I inherited this problem” when asked about doubling the deficit in less than 100 days then you really shouldn’t be posting on a political thread.
Here’s Bush whining about the so-called mythical Clinton recession he supposedly inherited…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJSK3-pnlvE
and here are the facts…
June 18th, 2009 at 3:03 pmhttp://www.nber.org/cycles/november2001/
I’m not here defending Republican spending during the Bush administration. If you’ll re-read my post I doubt you’ll find anything about that. The R’s supposedly do have a counter-proposal for health care reform which is actually supposed to be completed before the D’s even finish their plan. (I’ll believe it when I see it) The R’s even had a budget proposal which the D’s laughed at because they know that they own the house and congress. THAT is the point I’m getting at. Obama ran on working together and being bipartisan but the D’s are writing legislation behind closed doors and trying to pass it without even giving people the time to read it. I’ll be honest, I lean Republican but the two parties are essential to keep each other honest (at least as honest as a politician can be). Health care reform is a massive issue, why do they have to have it through committee and in front of a vote so fast? I almost get the feeling like they don’t want anyone to read it. Does that not scare you? Anyway, I’ve obviously stumbled in to a very liberal board so I expect to get attacked for everything I say that isn’t Probama. But, just for the record the President can’t go to war without congress. Even after Obama has taken over they’ve passed legislature to spend billions more on the war. Obama has outspent 8 years of Bush in 100 days. If he’s going to spend money 29 times faster than Bush then I’m certainly going to do a lot more complaining. But, if it makes you feel better, boo on Bush leaving the money behind on No Child Left Behind. Even though my father benefits greatly from the prescription legislature, it’s a borrowed band-aid. Now, everyone can feel free to get back to your Bush-bashing.
June 18th, 2009 at 3:13 pmUCSBKitty:
By your posts you would imply that Bush caused a recession after being in office a month. He barely had time to get his furniture in the White House. By your logic the president is responsible for everything that happens from the day he takes oath. Therefore, every job lost and every dime spent after Obama took oath would be his responsibility. I certainly know that viewpoint isn’t going to be popular on this board. And why would you counter with a video of Bush as he’s leaving office? He didn’t care about saving his reputation, polls or his next term at that point. If we’re just going to start posting random videos then this one is my favorite. It’s long, but you can skip to the end where Bill Clinton (your first Messiah) has some very interesting words.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
June 18th, 2009 at 3:27 pmthat moron opened his mouth? time for full scale investigation and prosecution for torture and whatever other constitutional laws he broke.
June 18th, 2009 at 3:38 pmHoward Dean makes sense a majority of the time. Why did he have to do what he did in Iowa back in ‘04? I myself felt it was proper, but of course it was spun into him being crazy or something.
June 18th, 2009 at 4:10 pmjaylee98 Says:
The R’s even had a budget proposal which the D’s laughed at because they know that they own the house and congress.
If your budget proposal doesn’t have any numbers in it, it’s not a budget proposal. It was a pamphlet. Everybody laughed at that one.
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jaylee98 Says:
Obama ran on working together and being bipartisan but the D’s are writing legislation behind closed doors and trying to pass it without even giving people the time to read it.
How many R’s voted for the stimulus package? For the budget? Obama still has blocked cabinet appointees to this day. They’re complaining about Sotomayor even though she’s about as moderate as they could hope for.
Obama’s been trying like crazy to get the R’s to work with him and they consistently close ranks and turn their backs on him. At what point does he get to say “enough” and stop pandering to their tantrums?
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jaylee98 Says:
But, just for the record the President can’t go to war without congress. Even after Obama has taken over they’ve passed legislature to spend billions more on the war.
Per your reminder, technically, we’re not actually at war. And it’s a very expensive operation. As Republicans rightly pointed out, pulling out instantly would cause more problems than they solve. But at least he’s talking about an exit strategy rather than shouting “stay the course” forever.
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jaylee98 Says:
Obama has outspent 8 years of Bush in 100 days.
Citation please? That’s contrary to all the numbers I’ve seen unless perhaps you credit Obama with the bailout, which was actually done under Bush.
June 18th, 2009 at 5:37 pmand what did bush do for health care during his 8 years……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….NOTHING!
oh yea he gave millions more to the pharm industry thru medicare part d. so he made things even worse.
June 18th, 2009 at 5:53 pmElBruce:
“How many R’s voted for the stimulus package? For the budget? Obama still has blocked cabinet appointees to this day. They’re complaining about Sotomayor even though she’s about as moderate as they could hope for.
Obama’s been trying like crazy to get the R’s to work with him and they consistently close ranks and turn their backs on him. At what point does he get to say “enough” and stop pandering to their tantrums?”
How exactly do you get someone to work with you when you draw up legislature behind closed doors in a room full of D’s? Don’t listen to what Obama is saying, WATCH what he is doing. This man is a lawyer and one of the most impressive liars that I’ve seen in my life. Do you want me to swing by your house so I can piss down your back and tell you it’s raining? I have a feeling that you’ll curse the weatherman while I’m laughing at you.
I should have more accurately stated that Obama has increased the deficit more in 100 days than Bush did in 8 years.
Here is an older graphic:
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/
I’ll give Bush about 750 Billion in deficit credit which includes a rough ‘08. Obama topped that just with the 787 billion stimulus package not to mention the 400+ billion porktacular budget package. I’ve left plenty out and of course this doesn’t include the projected 1 to 3 trillion required for his health care program.
By the way, if you’re going to require citations for anything that you don’t like, I suggest that you start supplying some links to the BS that you’re spewing.
June 18th, 2009 at 6:48 pmjaylee98 Says:
I should have more accurately stated that Obama has increased the deficit more in 100 days than Bush did in 8 years.
These are all based on “future projections.”. Are these CBO numbers or were they made up by a “think tank?” Oh wait, your link goes to the Heritage foundation…
What are tne numbers on today’s deficit, right now? Bush has spent more than Obama, period. All of the statements I’ve seen so far that Obama’s spending more turn out to be projections (aka. fantasies) constructed by extremely partisan organizations.
Look, if we had a new (R) in office, I could “project” that he was going to spend a hoojillion dollars in the future, so long as my chart started sometime after tomorrow. It still doesn’t apply to reality, where you and I live.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:42 amUCSBKitty:
By your posts you would imply that Bush caused a recession after being in office a month. He barely had time to get his furniture in the White House. By your logic the president is responsible for everything that happens from the day he takes oath. Therefore, every job lost and every dime spent after Obama took oath would be his responsibility. I certainly know that viewpoint isn’t going to be popular on this board. And why would you counter with a video of Bush as he’s leaving office? He didn’t care about saving his reputation, polls or his next term at that point. If we’re just going to start posting random videos then this one is my favorite. It’s long, but you can skip to the end where Bill Clinton (your first Messiah) has some very interesting words.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
Who says he was my first Messiah? Clinton? He was the BEST Republican president besides Abraham Lincoln we ever had, and that’s not saying much about the GOP…Clinton was no liberal as you right-wingers love to claim. Don’t assume things about people you don’t know…My point is that Bush was talking about how he inherited a recession but the facts disprove his theory.
My 2nd point was to call you out for criticizing Obama for claiming he inherited a mess when Bush spent his whole years trying to do the same thing…of course everything he sought to blame on Clinton…
Were you blaming Clinton then for the first WTC bombing? Funny, how he could be blamed for that AND 9/11…talk about personal responsibility from the party of Personal Responsibility…I mean you said so yourself that Bush had barely enough time to get settled down…but I’m not sure if I think you wouldn’t have graciously offered Clinton that same benefit of the doubt…
June 19th, 2009 at 6:47 amThere’s a difference between your scenario and mine. and the fact is the recession began under Bush’s watch in December 2007…You’re already playing by the GOP playbook which is to label this the Obama recession as if the last 8 years of the Bush administration didn’t happen (of course the alternate explanation is that IT’S CLINTON’S FAULT!). It’s not going to work, although with the spineless Democrats, it might if they allow themselves to be labeled.
June 19th, 2009 at 6:51 amjaylee98 Says:
Obama ran on working together and being bipartisan but the D’s are writing legislation behind closed doors and trying to pass it without even giving people the time to read it.
tHE GOP is being absolutely hypocritical when it comes to bipartisanship. They have made it clear that bipartisanship only means surrendering to the GOP and passing legislation that THEY want. Obama has done much more than the GOP ever did when it comes to reaching out, and what have they shown him? They have obstructed from day 1 and continue to do so with the president’s nominees. They’re trying to pull the same delaying game that they did to Clinton’s nominees, some whom were placed on hold and never got the GOP’s precious “up or down” vote. You weren’t shedding any tears over that, were you?
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