Justice Dept. will meet next week with gay rights groups on DOMA.
Justice Dept. will meet next week with gay rights groups on DOMA.
This morning, Greg Sargent reported that the Justice Department had refused to meet with gay rights legal groups to discuss how to move forward on cases involving the Defense of Marriage Act. Now DOJ spokeswoman Tracy Russo confirms to Sargent that the Department has reached out to these groups and will meet with them next week:
The Obama Justice Department has reached out to major gay rights organizations and scheduled a private meeting for next week with the groups, in an apparent effort to smooth over tensions in the wake of the controversy over the administration’s defense in court of the Defense of Marriage Act. [...]
At the meeting — which hasn’t been announced and is expected to include leading gay rights groups like GLAD and Lambda Legal — both sides are expected to hash out how to proceed with pending DOMA cases.
The White House also admitted today that it was “seeking ways to include same-sex marriages, unions and partnerships in 2010 Census data.”
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What in the hell is there to “meet about” ?
Bottom line : Gay marriage is a CIVIL RIGHT ; attempting to deny a couple to marry is a violation of said rights , and should not be allowed …….End of story.
June 19th, 2009 at 3:44 pmwhere’s the troll patrol trying to convince us the united states is not a secular nation?
June 19th, 2009 at 3:47 pmIf I was part of the gay community, I’d be pissed. I’m tired of these religious folks dictating policy. Gays and lebians deserve every right of like everybody else.
June 19th, 2009 at 3:50 pmDefend marriage from what?
June 19th, 2009 at 3:55 pmDivorce?
Bottom line: No more crumbs.
Obama needs to denounce the insulting DOMA brief, then start to act on his many campaign promises.
Simple as that.
June 19th, 2009 at 3:58 pmI noticed how quiet the religious right is being lately. The whole Ensign affair and Tiller’s murder seems to have an impact on MSM, at least MSNBC and CNN. Usually when this stuff comes up you got Tony Perkins and his minions foaming at the mouth.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:01 pmMass’s experience with so-called same-same gender marriage showed that state sanction of perversion is of interest to only about 0.01% of the population. This tiny fraction of a percent means that about 2.0% of the same-same gender crowd is interested.
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where’s the troll patrol trying to convince us the united states is not a secular nation?
June 19th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
So-called same-same gender marriage would be detrimental to the nation even if the US were a secular nation. That’s what bit meant to post: “were a secular nation.”
Encouraging so-called same-same gender marriage makes the U.S. less worth preserving.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:05 pmThe White House also admitted today that it was “seeking ways to include same-sex marriages, unions and partnerships in 2010 Census data.”
Well, that will make Crazy Michelle Bachmann’s head explode.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:06 pmTheres’Ant Says:
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The White House also admitted today that it was “seeking ways to include same-sex marriages, unions and partnerships in 2010 Census data.”
Well, that will make Crazy Michelle Bachmann’s head explode.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Something to this effect is in place now. Believe bit has seen a stat on the number of households headed by same-same gender partners.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:08 pmTwo consenting adults should have the right to marry each other without all of these BS wingnut conservatives making ridiculous laws to infringe upon their civil rights.
The DOJ needs to destroy DOMA.
Wingnut conservatives need to stay out of peoples’ bedrooms!
June 19th, 2009 at 4:08 pmEspecially the ones that don’t respect their marriage vows and are in defense of marriage! Just ridiculous and a$$backwards!
Theres’Ant@8 Yeah. Michelle would no doubt fire up her ‘Base’ of crazies into cheating on their census. LOL! Doesn’t she get it? The Hispanics and minorities are growing everyday. Old white breaders, like Michelle are going to be in the minority in a matter of decades. Talk about a dying breed.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:11 pmbitblt Says:
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June 19th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Actually , cancervative , backwards-ass morons posting constantly in the 3rd person while repeating inaccurate and fraudulent GOP rhetoric makes the US less worth preserving , jackass……….
June 19th, 2009 at 4:13 pmU.S. census data already has some number on same-same gender households.
From the 2000 census…
total population of the U.S. is 285,230,516.
total number of households in the U.S. is 106,741,426.
total number of unmarried same-sex households is 601,209.
So that’s (601,209/106,741,426)*100% or 0.42% of the households are headed by a same-same gender couple.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:18 pmNo many now is it?
hormiga brava chavez Says:
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Two consenting adults should have the right to marry each other without all of these BS wingnut conservatives making ridiculous laws to infringe upon their civil rights.
The DOJ needs to destroy DOMA.
Wingnut conservatives need to stay out of peoples’ bedrooms!
Especially the ones that don’t respect their marriage vows and are in defense of marriage! Just ridiculous and a$$backwards!
June 19th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
What, exactly, is the authority for that “right”?
June 19th, 2009 at 4:19 pmThe President better get with it on the DOMA issue. There is a great deal of anger and movement from the LGTB community about this, and there is a signifant amount of money/support to be lost if he does not keep his promise on this.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:24 pmA troll who posts in the third person, criticizing teh gays, on a gay thread.
Huh.
Whoda thunkit?
But, let’s be honest. This one protests a tad bit too much. Almost like Ensign did, about the sanctity of marriage.
Makes one wonder.
Just sayin’…
June 19th, 2009 at 4:25 pmAnd what was the authority for the “right” of mixed-race couples to be married?
June 19th, 2009 at 4:26 pmbitblt Says: “What, exactly, is the authority for that “right”?”
I believe it comes from your favorite periodical, bit, Genesis Chapter 1 something, that part about god giving man free will.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:28 pmRealness Says:
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And what was the authority for the “right” of mixed-race couples to be married?
June 19th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
http://www.illinoisfamily.org/informed/contentview.asp?c=34271
Yeah reaminds me of that same song: “It was Just one of those Things.”
From the same link…
June 19th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
bitblt Says:
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hormiga brava chavez Says:
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Two consenting adults should have the right to marry each other without all of these BS wingnut conservatives making ridiculous laws to infringe upon their civil rights.
The DOJ needs to destroy DOMA.
Wingnut conservatives need to stay out of peoples’ bedrooms!
Especially the ones that don’t respect their marriage vows and are in defense of marriage! Just ridiculous and a$$backwards!
June 19th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
What, exactly, is the authority for that “right”?
June 19th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
The “RIGHT” to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness ………
June 19th, 2009 at 4:31 pm@14
What, exactly is the rationale to deny that right (without using scripture, since the bible is irrelevant)?
June 19th, 2009 at 4:31 pmI think it’s creepy (I mean one of millions of reasons) that bigblt rarely comments on anything but the same-sex related stories. Does he just google them? Does he have a set of blogs he spreads his wisdom around on? Weird. How creepy to place such apocolytic anxieties on a group of people that don’t affect any personal decision of morality he might make.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:32 pmReally bit why do you do that weird third person thing.It is sort of gay…
June 19th, 2009 at 4:35 pmbitblt Says:
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And what was the authority for the “right” of mixed-race couples to be married?
June 19th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
http://www.illinoisfamily.org/informed/contentview.asp?c=34271
There is no research proving that homosexuality is ontologically equivalent to race or biological sex: none.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Hey bitofadipshit
The Illinois Family Institute (IFI) is an independent 501c(3) non-profit MINISTRY ; what valid or credible “reasearch” are they capable of on any legitimate level , jackass ?
NONE……….
June 19th, 2009 at 4:35 pmIllinois Family Institute?
Whoa Nellie! Now there’s a trustworthy organization that will present the facts without bias.
Which will not be judgmental.
Will effectively look at both sides of an issue.
NOT!!!
June 19th, 2009 at 4:36 pmnoseeum Says:
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bitblt Says: “What, exactly, is the authority for that “right”?”
I believe it comes from your favorite periodical, bit, Genesis Chapter 1 something, that part about god giving man free will.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
You might want to note from above:
…and apparently some people choose not to be a homosexual
http://www.narth.org
and this
http://narth.com/docs/deemphasizes.html
June 19th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
If the gods weren’t down with the gays they would have thrown some lightening bolts or some locusts or some such shit at NE by now and that shit hasn’t happened. I think they are too busy doing that cloud bowling. That Hindu one with all the arms has to be seriously handicapped…
June 19th, 2009 at 4:38 pmdbadass Says:
“Really bit why do you do that weird third person thing…”
He’s just trying to cover his ass, just in case St.Peeter asks him: “What the hell were you thinking, man?”
bit can say “It wasn’t me, it was that other guy…”
June 19th, 2009 at 4:39 pmSo bit did you read where that seriously hetero scout leader guy and those other scouts made that other scout drink that piss at that boyscout camp? Thank all them gods that he wasn’t “gay”. Realmen…..
June 19th, 2009 at 4:41 pm“The Illinois Family Institute (IFI)”
How would you pronounce that acronym, bit?
Iffy?
June 19th, 2009 at 4:41 pmidjit, when you came to the fork in the road of your sexuality, when did you choose NOT to be gay?
Sorry, your argument can’t have one without the other.
So you have deep, hidden homosexual tendencies. Big deal. Go with it.
Be free.
And for the record, I did not CHOOSE to be heterosexual, I is what I is.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:41 pmNo decision was needed.
If you actually believe most homosexuals CHOOSE to be ostracized by society, to live in fear and misunderstanding by family and friends, then you, my not so friend, are the one with the real problem.
There is no research proving that homosexuality is ontologically equivalent to race or biological sex: none.
bit must have missed it, but where is the research that refutes this?
Surely poster knows that a man and a woman of different races marrying is altogether different than two same-same gender people marrying, so-called?
June 19th, 2009 at 4:42 pmI Fi with my little eye…..
June 19th, 2009 at 4:43 pmdbadass Says:
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So bit did you read where that seriously hetero scout leader guy and those other scouts made that other scout drink that piss at that boyscout camp? Thank all them gods that he wasn’t “gay”. Realmen…..
June 19th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
No.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:44 pmmaybe you should google it.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:45 pmBit you’re missing the point, how one arrives at their sexual preference is irrelevant. Why should they not be able to marry? Why should two consenting adults be denied the right to legalize their union?
June 19th, 2009 at 4:48 pmSee! The Obama administration can actually walk and chew gum at the same time. Raising hell to get them to listen to the GLBT community is not going to sink health care reform or cause Iran to go nuclear.
We need to keep up the pressure.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:50 pmFrom the Illinois family link above…
And, or course, bit holds that any immoral behavior encourages immoral behavior.
And what did old J. Adams, second president of the U.S., say?
From a speech to military officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massachusetts on October 11, 1798.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:50 pmxero Says:
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Bit you’re missing the point, how one arrives at their sexual preference is irrelevant. Why should they not be able to marry? Why should two consenting adults be denied the right to legalize their union?
June 19th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
June 19th, 2009 at 4:52 pmbitblt Says:
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June 19th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Please explain your idiotic premise on how psychiatrists are credible judges of genetic make-up , knucklehead……
June 19th, 2009 at 4:54 pmI think what bitblt may be trying to say is that while he didn’t CHOOSE to have homosexual feelings he DOES choose to repress them and pretend to be heterosexual.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:55 pmThanks for re-posting xero’s excellent comment, bit.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:55 pmI’ll give you an attaboy.
Enjoy it.
bit.
bit tell me more of morality. Who should be the deciders of morality? On what shall the base these decisions (remember they all don’t believe in your god so be careful with this one) How should these decisions account for the changes which evolve through time. Eating shellfish used to be a really bad idea but not so much anymore. Should individual circumstance impact these decisions or is a one size fits all model. dbadass has oh so many questions. Can a dude really live in a cetacean’s stomach or is that one of the parts I shoould ignore…
June 19th, 2009 at 4:56 pmI also recommend post #39.
It was very important, and timely, to re-post what xero had said.
I too thank idjit for such insight and intelligence to copy and paste it.
Now, shall we hold hands (in a non gay way, of course)
;-)
June 19th, 2009 at 4:58 pm#39 deserves some recommends…
June 19th, 2009 at 4:59 pmSeriously bit have you checked out Evolution’s Rainbow yet or not? I think you might find it interesting my learned friend…
June 19th, 2009 at 5:01 pmbitblt Says:
There is no research proving that homosexuality is ontologically equivalent to race or biological sex: none.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
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False.
There is an increasing body of research demonstrating physiological differences between homosexuals and heterosexuals. Although scientists have yet to discover a specific “gay gene” (by the way, they have yet to discover the “race gene” as well), the correlation of physiological differences to sexual orientation – as well as the increasing evidence that homosexual behavior is common among the rest of the animal kingdom – clearly demonstrates that there IS a biological origin to homosexuality:
Wikipedia link here. Yes, it’s Wikipedia, but it’s all sourced to scientific studies.
June 19th, 2009 at 5:18 pmbit?
June 19th, 2009 at 5:20 pmnoseeum Says:
bit?
June 19th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
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He’s probably melting. Science to a conservatroll is like water to a Wicked Witch.
June 19th, 2009 at 5:23 pmnoseeum
June 19th, 2009 at 5:25 pmHello there my friend. Some private matters have kept me out of the field for a bit but I hope you are seeing many fine sights.Stay safe at work… I have to leave for mine right about now…
best-
The anti-gays argue that gay marriage will upset the stability of the family. Well, if they feel that strongly about defending the family then they should outlaw divorce and punish adultery because divorce and extra marital affairs can have a destabilizing effect on a family. Otherwise, they should just stfu because they don’t have an argument except that their god said no. I heard a discussion on the radio this morning and the PA State Senator from the western part of PA basically said that the DOMA is about not rewarding gay sex.
June 19th, 2009 at 5:36 pmbitblt Says:
June 19th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
It’s same SEX marriage, dolt.
GENDER is a social construct, and SEX is biological. One can be genetically female, but identify as male gender.
Sorry to burst your ignorant little balloon.
June 19th, 2009 at 5:40 pmbitblt Says:
What, exactly, is the authority for that “right”?
June 19th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Human rights.
No, it’s not codified anywhere, but since we’re all human (even you), we are all entitled to the same rights.
June 19th, 2009 at 5:43 pmI’m glad the DOJ is taking the step to meet with LGBT leaders. I hope this ends with the destruction of DOMA.
June 19th, 2009 at 6:18 pmLet’s hope they deem DOMA to be unconstitutional. That way we can make bigots like Tony Perkins of the FRC crazy.
Check out this clip of him making no sense.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=1846
June 19th, 2009 at 6:30 pmZooey Says:
bitblt Says:
June 19th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
It’s same SEX marriage, dolt.
GENDER is a social construct, and SEX is biological. One can be genetically female, but identify as male gender.
Sorry to burst your ignorant little balloon.
Absolutely right Zooey! Gender is basically assigned by the culture and society one lives in along with a set of expected behaviors. It’s purely a social construct. There are cultures that believe in a third gender, somewhere in between male and female.
June 19th, 2009 at 6:35 pmdbadass Says: “Some private matters have kept me out of the field for a bit…”
Hey dude…
A day off has brought me back into town for a … bit…
I feel better already.
I’ve ended up spending many days in a forest fire lookout tower, in addition to the trails work. It’s a real treat to watch soaring, hovering, and diving raptors from above!
June 19th, 2009 at 7:43 pmP.D. Says:
I noticed how quiet the religious right is being lately. The whole Ensign affair and Tiller’s murder seems to have an impact on MSM, at least MSNBC and CNN.
Gee…and I notice on the Left…how quiet they have been on the subject of a black Muslim…murdered a U.S. Soldier…on our very streets…thus opening up the terrorist in our Country. Something we haven’t had since 9/11…but with President Body Odor’s lack of caring about terrorist…they feel empowered!
On the base of Marriage…two queers playing house…does not constitute a marriage! It is just evil.
June 19th, 2009 at 8:43 pmRealityCheck Says:
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P.D. Says:
I noticed how quiet the religious right is being lately. The whole Ensign affair and Tiller’s murder seems to have an impact on MSM, at least MSNBC and CNN.
Gee…and I notice on the Left…how quiet they have been on the subject of a black Muslim…murdered a U.S. Soldier…on our very streets…thus opening up the terrorist in our Country. Something we haven’t had since 9/11…but with President Body Odor’s lack of caring about terrorist…they feel empowered!
On the base of Marriage…two queers playing house…does not constitute a marriage! It is just evil.
What does a African American Muslim have to do with this topic you ignorant pig? We’ve commented extensively on it in relevent topics. Our President’s name is Barack Obama, your commander in chief. You’re a disgrace to the uniform. I’m glad I didn’t serve with racist pigs like you.
What’s evil here is you and your hatred. Get a life.
June 19th, 2009 at 9:16 pmRealityCheck Says:
On the base of Marriage…two queers playing house…does not constitute a marriage! It is just evil.
What is evil about two people in love wanting to get married? Do they spread OMG, OH NOES, TEH GAY VIRUS?
and that murder suspect in Arkansas is being charged with domestic terrorism as he should, but what about Dr. Tiller’s murderer?
June 19th, 2009 at 10:30 pmFirst–with regards to DOJ and DOMA, the Executive Branch is required to uphold the law and DOMA is the law. DOJ’s defense of the law does not indicate that the President agrees with the law. It only means that he takes his oath of office seriously. The DOMA brief was offensive and devoid of logic, which will almost certainly be rebutted by the Plaintiffs.
Second–DOMA violates the establishment clause of the first amendment by denying churches the right to recognize same sex marriages. Some mainstream religious groups believe that a same sex marriage is a valid marriage.
Third–It’s ridiculous to argue whether or not a person’s sexuality is a choice. I know many gays and lesbians and not one of them made a conscious choice in their sexual preference anymore than I chose to be heterosexual. All the studies in the world will not prevent the gay bashers from holding their stupid positions.
Fourth–The bible calls having sex with a male prostitute in the temple of Baal an abomination. It is not inclusive of all homosexual encounters. On the other hand, the bible does state unequivocally that consumption of shellfish is an abomination. Can we expect the uberchristians to start protesting at Red Lobster?
Fifth–This is a matter of simple justice. One group does not get to tell another group how to live if the behavior poses no threat to society. This is why the church groups make up these spurious arguments about how same sex marriage would threaten their own marriages. No one has ever been able to explain to me why same sex marriage somehow threatens a loving heterosexual marriage.
Sixth–If we truly want to defend marriage, why are we not stoning Newt Gingrich who has now been married three times after deserting his first family in the middle of a life-threatening crisis? Surely this type of behavior is far more threatening to the institution of marriage.
Finally–Mind your own F*&^ing business. If you don’t want to marry a man then don’t. But stop telling others how to live. There is no reason why a same sex couple should be deprived of joint income tax returns, joint tenancy with survivor rights and all the other things that come as a benefit of marriage just because a bunch of dense bigots want to make everyone exactly the same.
Grow the f(*& up people.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:41 amBitbit has amazing gaydar.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:21 amAnd I am glad I never served with you too kdgamergirl. We could never count on the women to make deployments anyways because the straight ones made sure they got pregnant prior to each deployment…so we always went short handed to sea…while they stayed in the comforts of their sea/shore duty…and the ones who didn’t get knocked up were bull dykes…who thought they were Gods gift to America.
B.O. will NEVER be my president…but he is the Coward in Chief already!
June 20th, 2009 at 1:28 amwhere’s your proof? Do wingnuts always rely on sexist and racist myths to fit their prejudiced worldview?
Bush was NEVER my president either. At least Obama won a legitimate election.
The greatest thing about Obama’s election is watching the heads of the wingnuts explode…
June 20th, 2009 at 1:43 amPresident Obama has clearly stated that he believes marriage is between a man and a woman.
End of story. Maybe the next President will believe differently.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:48 amSo you think we should just shut up about gay marriage and just give up? You would love that, wouldn’t you marwick? The conservatives would just love that, wouldn’t they? Because whom will they oppress if they didn’t have TEH GAYS? Enablers like Barack Obama need to be CALLED out on their subtle homophobia and their refusal to advance civil rights for the LGBT community.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:56 amDo you agree with the Republican who says we aren’t harming TEH GAYS because we “graciously” allow them to exist? Gee, I’m sure the KKK was like “we’re not harming black people. We allow them to exist as long as they don’t become uppity…”
June 20th, 2009 at 2:05 amRealityCheck Says:
And I am glad I never served with you too kdgamergirl. We could never count on the women to make deployments anyways because the straight ones made sure they got pregnant prior to each deployment…so we always went short handed to sea…while they stayed in the comforts of their sea/shore duty…and the ones who didn’t get knocked up were bull dykes…who thought they were Gods gift to America.
B.O. will NEVER be my president…but he is the Coward in Chief already!
Wow you’re an even bigger pig than I thought. You’re a sad, bitter, pathetic old man. Get over yourself. There are plenty of women who serve proudly in combat coward. Like I said before, disgrace to the uniform. I’m surprised you managed to keep in on since evidently you’re slime.
…and please do explain how our President is a coward? Because he won’t start needless wars that cause massive death to Americans and those we invade? Seriously pathetic RC.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:16 amOh RealityCheck, you poor, poor Semen who can’t get pregnant.
link
This small number of pregnant women cutting off your poor little balls?
Unplanned Pregnancy Among Sailors: Background and Opportunities (June 2004)
Navy women who become pregnant often report the father to be another military member. For the most recent pregnancy experienced by those ever pregnant while in the Navy, 73%
of enlisted members surveyed in 2001said the father was a military man, and about half of the enlisted female Sailors that experienced an unplanned pregnancy were unmarried
(49%) About half of the enlisted female Sailors that experienced an unplanned pregnancy were married during their most recent pregnancy (49 percent). The vast majority (81%) of men who fathered the children of unmarried Sailors in 1999 were military men
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Maybe you seafaring morons need to learn how to use condoms, and keep it in your pants if you can’t be sure your fellow impregnable seamen aren’t using birth control reliably.
June 20th, 2009 at 5:18 amThere is an increasing body of research demonstrating physiological differences between homosexuals and heterosexuals.
Does any of this increasing body of research call the physiological differences causative?
After all, learning to juggle causes detectable changes in the human brain, but these
detectable brain changes don’t cause juggling.
For instance, is a small brain the cause or is it the effect of homosexuality, or is a small brain neither a cause nor an effect of homosexuality but just a difference between some heterosexuals and some homosexuals?
Fourth–The bible calls having sex with a male prostitute in the temple of Baal an abomination. It is not inclusive of all homosexual encounters. On the other hand, the bible does state unequivocally that consumption of shellfish is an abomination. Can we expect the uberchristians to start protesting at Red Lobster?
You must have missed the punishment, under the Law of Moses, for adultery, homosexuality, and bestiality. In the Old Testament book of Leviticus the punishment is death for those involved in these crimes. (These laws would be from the same Moses represented on the façade of the SCOTUS.)
BTW, bit can’t find the punishment for eating shellfish in the Bible. Do you know what punishment Moses proscribed for the abomination of eating shellfish? Both committing a homosexual act and eating “…anything in the seas or the rivers that has not fins and scales, ,” are described as “an abomination,” but only one has a punishment. The other is simply a “don’t do it.”
Jewish dietary laws are for the benefit of the individual. Jewish sexual behavior laws are for the benefit of the people.
Fifth–This is a matter of simple justice. One group does not get to tell another group how to live if the behavior poses no threat to society. This is why the church groups make up these spurious arguments about how same sex marriage would threaten their own marriages. No one has ever been able to explain to me why same sex marriage somehow threatens a loving heterosexual marriage.
In case you didn’t notice, homosexuality is immoral. Polygamy and polyandry are immoral. Pedophilia is immoral. Furthermore, the polygamist are already starting to take advantages of the laws in the states that allow so-called same-same gender marriage(SSGM), and the polygamist are using the same arguments used by the homosexuals. What group will appear next to clamor for their “rights” using the same arguments as the SSGM group?
Since civilized society does get to prescribe what benefits the society, how does SSGM benefit society? It doesn’t. It simply increases the immorality,…and it quiets a loud 0.1% of the population..
June 20th, 2009 at 6:10 am#75 – bitblt Says:
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“In case you didn’t notice, homosexuality is immoral.”
June 20th, 2009 at 6:10 am
So is adultry, but I haven’t heard you calling for Sen. Ensign to be stoned by all the so-called righteous people in America. Isn’t that the Biblical response to adultry?
Seems that your pick & choose attitude towards the Bible proves your prejudices are what drives your agenda.
As America progresses, we expand rights for oppressed minoroties. When the slaves were freed, it took how long for laws against inter-racial marriages to be repealled? Same sex marriage is a reality that is coming, and the efforts of those who are trying to stop equal rights will be remembered with shame.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:37 amI see no one calling for queers to be stoned there spanky. He resigned his leadership position…but heck…in the DemocRATic party…it would have enhanced his resume.
Being a queer is not the same as being a minority…it just means your a queer and like kinky sex instead of being normal. Shame on the queers for not staying in their closets!
June 20th, 2009 at 9:52 amDespite all of Bitbit’s links to anti-same-sex-marriage “studies” about same-sex couples and their children, the facts prove that there is no statistical difference between opposite-sex and same-sex couples and their children.
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications/lgpchildren.html
June 20th, 2009 at 9:54 amOh bitbit. It must be difficult to have to rack your brain for such tortured rationalizations to justify your narrow minded views. An abomination is an affront to god. To identify one as a societal admonition and another as a personal admonition is an unwarranted attempt to squeeze logic out of the bible. Since the bible says nothing of the kind, doesn’t that place you in the position of speaking for god?
You claim that homosexuality is immoral along with polygamy and polyandry. Yet wasn’t polygamy a common practice in old testament society? Was Israel considered immoral by god for having two wives? How about Solomon?
Use the sense that god gave you and think for yourself. Blanket assertions of what is moral and immoral reflect ignorance and blind obedience. I go back to my final point. Mind your own F)*^ing business.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:57 am#77 – RealityCheck Says:
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“Being a queer is not the same as being a minority…it just means your a queer and like kinky sex instead of being normal. Shame on the queers for not staying in their closets!”
June 20th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Wow, your same-sex experience really messed you up, didn’t it?
Don’t worry, just because it happened to you one time doesn’t mean you’re gay. Quite a few straight guys have had a same-sex experience and they haven’t let it turn them into homosex-haters.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:57 amReality Check
June 20th, 2009 at 10:12 amIs heterosexual oral sex too kinky for you? What about hetero anal? Ever tie anybody up or do it in public? What about role playing are you into that?
dstankass…eat the hole,eat the pole! I guess we all know you swing both ways now!
June 20th, 2009 at 11:43 amWow that’s the best RC can come up with? Pathetic old man. BTW did you realize you use socialized health care yet?
DemocratSoldier excellent reponse :)
June 20th, 2009 at 12:31 pmReality Check:
June 20th, 2009 at 1:47 pmIs anything beyond missionary kinky? Do you even care if your partner climaxes? kdgamergirl this one is beyond help…
it seems to me DOMA must rely on a definition of marriage that is defined by certain religion to actually mean anything, else what is being defended. and it is this religious definition which seems to then establish religion as the law of the land, even though that qualifies as a violation of church and state. the Constitution is not a religious document so how can DOMA be constitutional.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:40 pmkdgamergirl Says:
did you realize you use socialized health care yet?
If you actually knew what you were talking about…you would know that I am not forced into using the V.A. health care system…as I have other means of health care available to me and currently use them all.
I have V.A. which covers all of my health needs…but I also have Tri-care…which I can use for civilian care to any Doctor I choose to use…and I still pay for health care through my group employment…which gives me a multilateral use too.
I am not one of the whiny leftest who depends on others…in order to take care of myself. Although I was severely injured while in the service to my country…I decided to overcome as humanly as possible my disabilities and actually finished my 20 year military as an E-8…highly recommended for continue service…but as I could no longer go deployed…I was medically discharged instead.
The old pull yourself up by you’re bootstraps is an actual life’s lesson in some cases and I refuse to become overly dependent on others in my life. So I don’t need some snot nosed liberal telling me how to live or how to bow down to anyone!
If you knew what you were talking about…you would also know that the V.A. is NOT SOCIALIZED medicine…but rather this countries promise to it’s veterans to take care of their injuries while sustained in service to this country. Part of my salary for those 20 years…was computed on my continued medical care for life…which Uncle Sam acknowledged while paying me and my family peanuts for many years to live on…while owning me 24/7.
maybe the best thing you could do in the future is just say thank you to a disabled vet and keep on marching your liberal ways…because you really don’t have a clue on what you are talking about.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:55 pmLet’s see taxpayers pay for the VA therefore it = socialized.
I’m also a disabled vet so don’t pull that crap. I live everyday of my life in excruitiating pain. It’s only by the grace of medication that I can function. I still went on to get my BA and I’m continuing on to my MS.
So yes I do know what I’m talking about. Just keep being bitter.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:19 pmAnd I do thank you for your service but perhaps you should also thank me for mine. It was my dream to live life in the military but one accident and some nerve damage and chronic back pain put an end to that.
I’ve done my best to overcome it and yes my education was paid for by federal grants. I’m eternally greatful for it and have no problem with money being taken from my paycheck so others can do the same. It’s called not being selfish and ensuring your fellow Americans have the same chances you did.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:23 pmRealityPunk. You ignorant selfish piece of garbage. It always astonishes me just how stupid you are. I HAVE health care. I have GREAT health care. If I needed a heart transplant I would get one. Its just that I am not like you selfish Ebenezer Scrooge worshipping morons and I would like to be sure my neighbor has healthcare too. 18,000 people a year die from lack of access to healthcare and heartless souless morons like YOU just want them to die quietly because that is the kind of soulless punk you are.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:33 pmI am not one of the whiny leftest who depends on others…in order to take care of myself.
June 20th, 2009 at 5:14 pm—
Hey there tough guy, our very biology reguires that we depend upon one another. That is why we live in social groups. You know about as much about animal behavior and evolutionary biology as you do about pleasing a lady I see….
kdgamergirl Says:
Let’s see taxpayers pay for the VA therefore it = socialized.
With you’re logic…police, firemen…and every single thing funded by taxes are socialized. Wrong…it is something that was owed to us! Part of payment received.
kdgamergirl
Thank you for you’re service and I mean in a most sincere way God bless you in you’re constant battle against the pain you suffer in every day life.
Dstankass & EugeneDebs
June 20th, 2009 at 6:02 pmYou both are idiots and belong in hell.
RealityPunk you are stupid. YOU belong where you are blowing lepers for pocketchange right next to your wife/sister. You are a piece of garbage. You are an ignorant, soulless, selfish piece of filth. If I were half as stupid and pathetic as you I would immediatly commit supuku in shame. Spending all that time on your knees your family will be an undue burden on our healthcare system anyway. You are a worthless punkass troll and you are wasting precious oxygen that a higher lifeform could be using. Not to mention a selfish Ebenezer Scrooge worshipping subhuman moron
June 20th, 2009 at 6:20 pmRealityCheck Say
kdgamergirl Says:
Let’s see taxpayers pay for the VA therefore it = socialized.
With you’re logic…police, firemen…and every single thing funded by taxes are socialized. Wrong…it is something that was owed to us! Part of payment received.
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WOW. I KNEW you were stupid but this is blazing all new stupid trails. Ah YEAH police, education, military, firemen. Those are SOCIALIZED services. What an ignorant punk you are.
June 20th, 2009 at 6:22 pmkdgamergirl
Thank you for you’re service and I mean in a most sincere way God bless you in you’re constant battle against the pain you suffer in every day life.
Thank you RC. That was very nice of you to post.
June 20th, 2009 at 6:26 pmWho the hell is Dstankass and why dothey deserve tobe in hell?
Reality Check. Slow down and think about her…
June 20th, 2009 at 6:41 pmdbadass Says who the hell is Dstankass
You buddy…but you knew that when you asked! …and all that crap goes double for you too EugeneDebs the bull dyke!
June 20th, 2009 at 10:42 pmkdgamergirl Says: Thank you RC. That was very nice of you to post.
Your welcome…and I really did mean it.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:45 pmThank you..
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http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/5615.php
Juggling makes your brain bigger – New Study
Notable that the effect only lasts as long as one continues to juggle.
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:41 amOh bitbit. It must be difficult to have to rack your brain for such tortured rationalizations to justify your narrow minded views. An abomination is an affront to god. To identify one as a societal admonition and another as a personal admonition is an unwarranted attempt to squeeze logic out of the bible. Since the bible says nothing of the kind, doesn’t that place you in the position of speaking for god?
In truth bit did try a new tack this time. He didn’t mention that both the Apostle Paul and the Apostle Peter made it plain that one didn’t have to be a Jew to be a Christian. The Apostle Peter made it clear that Jewish dietary laws were not binding on Christians. If this is not clear to you, this means that the Apostles Paul and Peter understood that the dietary laws were different from the laws about sexual behavior.
BTW, do you know where the Biblical punishment is for eating shellfish?
Furthermore, Jesus made it clear in Matthew 19 that the Creator intended that a man and a woman would be one flesh in marriage. As far as bit is concerned this is the definitive authority speaking and the definitive authority stating what is a marriage. In addition, how Jesus describes marriage seems to be the way it is understood by most every culture and person in the all of history.
You claim that homosexuality is immoral along with polygamy and polyandry. Yet wasn’t polygamy a common practice in Old Testament society? Was Israel considered immoral by god for having two wives? How about Solomon?
Don’t believe you’ll find anything particularly positive about the practice of polygamy in the Bible. The Old Testament does record that polygamy was practiced, and it also records that other detrimental behavior – contrary to God’s will – occurred. bit is unaware of any justification in the OT for the modern day practice of polygamy just as he’s unaware of any justification for modern day practice of so-called same-same gender marriage. In fact, bit is unaware of any justification in the Old Testament for the practice of polygamy.
For examples of what the Bible notes about polygamy, the Bible says that Solomon’s many wives drew his heart away from God, and the Bible notes that the first polygamist was also a murderer. The first polygamist was also a descendent of Cain, a murderer. Other important characters in the Bible had problems because they practiced this form of marriage.
That plural marriages was problematic seems to be implied in Deuteronomy 17:14..17 where the new, first king of Israel is instructed not to have multiple wives. You understand that? God instructed the kings of Israel to not have multiple wives. The kings did practice polygamy and they paid for it. King David repented and had only a single wife at the time of his death, but his sexual escapades brought great tragedy to his house.
Also, some of the more important major characters in the Bible – for example Adam, Job, Noah, and Moses – were not polygamist. Polygamy was not a universal practice in the Old Testament., and bit doesn’t believe the practice is mentioned in the New Testament.
Use the sense that god gave you and think for yourself. Blanket assertions of what is moral and immoral reflect ignorance and blind obedience. I go back to my final point. Mind your own F)*^ing business.
That would be use the sense God gave bit instead of having to rely on the behavior of penguins for an examples as so many TPers do. Correct? Do TPers also get their understanding of justice from penguins.
Believe bit’s statements reflect faithfulness. Sorry faithfulness is a foreign concept to you.
bit has posterity.
bit has an interest in seeing the U.S.A remain a nation that is worth preserving. Immorality breeds immorality. Homosexuality is immoral. Don’t be surprised when the state acceptance of this practice breeds something you don’t like.
There’s also Bible commenting on itself from the New Testament book of Jude:
Or as the RSV records it:
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:55 pm