Caught Up In Nostalgic Reagan Hysteria, ‘Student Of History’ McCain Credits Him For 1968 Prague Spring
Caught Up In Nostalgic Reagan Hysteria, ‘Student Of History’ McCain Credits Him For 1968 Prague Spring
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) has been having a tough time with the current situation in Iran. He has been criticizing President Obama’s “hands off” approach and encouraging him to get more involved (despite expert opinion that says otherwise). But former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger — a McCain supporter whom McCain recently called “the smartest man in the world” — said this week that he thinks Obama “has handled this well.”
Last night on Fox News, McCain and Sean Hannity joined in with the right wing’s Reagan-era hysteria, with Hannity arguing that Obama should offer “some moral support the way that Ronald Reagan offered moral support” to anti-communists. But in this instance, McCain got carried away, crediting Reagan for something that happened well before he became president:
McCAIN: You and I are both students of history and we’ve seen this movie before. When Ronald Reagan stood up for the workers in Gdansk in Poland, when he stood up for the people of Czechoslovakia, in Prague Spring, and America did. And some good Democrats did, too.
Watch it:
Perhaps McCain needs a new history lesson. The Prague Spring was a period of political liberalization in Czechoslovakia when Communist Party leader Alexander Dubcek allowed greater speech and assembly freedoms when he came to power… in January 1968. Ronald Reagan had just completed his first year as California’s governor at that time. Soviet and other Warsaw Pact troops invaded eight months later to end the reform movement.
Since the uprising in Iran over its disputed elections, conservatives of all stripes have been quick to invoke their hero Ronald Reagan as a guidepost from which to criticize Obama’s response (as they often do with just about any issue). But as Matt Duss noted, referring to McCain, “Indeed, we’ve all seen this movie before”:
It’s the one where conservatives deploy a potted history of the Cold War — in which Reagan spoke and the walls came tumbling down — to cast international politics as a zero-sum contest between good and evil, and to cow progressives into a more aggressive rhetorical posture toward America’s adversary of the moment. It is usually hidden under the guise of “solidarity with captive peoples” and absent any genuine consideration of the practical effects on the peoples concerned.
If McCain and company are going to continue to rely on Reagan for guidance, they should at least try to maintain the correct historical time-line.
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June 19th, 2009 at 1:47 pmAnd to think, McCain could have been president.
You betcha!
Could history (I mean the real thing, not the made up stuff) be of any LESS interest to Republicans than it already is? Somehow I doubt it.
June 19th, 2009 at 1:49 pmRonald Reagan is dead. Get over it, Republicans and Conservatives.
June 19th, 2009 at 1:50 pmAhhh , give McCrappyPilot a break here : It’s tough recalling every particular event when you’re a couple of millenia old ………
June 19th, 2009 at 1:51 pmDRxJ@1, Don’t even jokle about that. The thought of Palin as V.P. send shivers down my spine.
June 19th, 2009 at 1:51 pmIf McCain and company are going to continue to rely on Reagan for guidance, they should at least try to maintain the correct historical time-line.
Does this remind anyone of the hero worship accorded Mao Tse Tung during the Cultural Revolution in China, when every positive event could somehow be attributed to his benevolent guidance, regardless of its accuracy or applicability?
June 19th, 2009 at 1:51 pmAnd don’t forget when Saint Ronnie stood up for states rights in 1861!
June 19th, 2009 at 1:51 pmAs the chaos and unrest escalates in Iran, Republicans have predictably exhumed Ronald Reagan to club President Obama. Confusing Soviet domination of Eastern Europe with an Iranian election among candidates all blessed by the ruling theocrats in Tehran, John McCain blasted the President, recalling that Reagan “stood up for Polish workers in Gdansk.” Dana Rohrbacher (R-CA) wasn’t content to declare to Gipper “always knew” to “be vocally supportive of all those people who are oppressed,” he denounced Obama as a “cream puff.” Sadly for the grandstanding Republicans, it was “cream puff” Ronald Reagan whose policy consisted of giving the mullahs in Iran a cake, a Bible – and U.S. arms.
For the details, see:
June 19th, 2009 at 1:52 pm“Ronald Reagan, Cream Puff.”
Remember when Reagan beat the Nazis with his bare hands?
June 19th, 2009 at 1:52 pmJohn…John…? Senator…? Yes, over here…eyes on me. That’s it.
Now, what did we decide about trying to remember things all by yourself…? What? No, you remember…very good. You’re not to go out unattended, and you’re not to try speaking extemporaneously to the moving picture box with the bright lights. What’s that? No, I’m not explaining it to you again.
**sniff** Oh dear, you need changing. Nurse Palin…?
June 19th, 2009 at 1:52 pmmaybe jonniemac’s got something medical in common with President Icantremember Idontrecall.
June 19th, 2009 at 1:52 pmReagan offered moral support(aka “aid and comfort”) to the Iranians who held American citizens hostage.
Reagan committed treason.
Let’s talk more about that, Sean.
June 19th, 2009 at 1:52 pmWayne Ant Schneider Says:
Ronald Reagan is dead. Get over it, Republicans and Conservatives.
And that’s just how they like their leaders. Dead or too drunk to think.
June 19th, 2009 at 1:53 pmspring heeled jack Says:
Remember when Reagan beat the Nazis with his bare hands?
And how he ended WWI by playing rock paper scissors with the Kaiser…
June 19th, 2009 at 1:53 pmAnd in 20 years, a new crop of neoidiots will be remembering how shrub fought off the islamofacists bent on attacking the world trade center King kong style.
June 19th, 2009 at 1:55 pmReagan was only half dead in ‘68, just imagine what he could have accomplished for the Chech’s if he were the actual corpse that he is now.
June 19th, 2009 at 1:56 pmI’m waiting for McCrappyPilot to claim that Reagan was the author of both The Constitution and The Declaration of Independence , along with being the inventor of the polio vaccine……
June 19th, 2009 at 1:56 pmIIRC Regan was involved in a HAWK missile shipment to Iran in 1985
June 19th, 2009 at 1:56 pmSomeone call Nancy and ask her what Ronnie’s take is on all this.
Riiiiinnnnngg… riiiiinnnnnig….
“Ether Limits Answering Service, may I help you?
Ronnie Rayguns? Yes, one moment please…”
“Ronald, it’s for you, it’s Nancy again…”
“Oh gawd, there is no peace…”
June 19th, 2009 at 1:58 pmYou might have guessed that it was that Dung Beetle and Reagan leg humper Hannity that McCain was talking to.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:01 pmReagan is responsible for more of the national debt that Clinton and Obama combined. His borrow and spend fiscal adventurism broke ground on the deep hole we find ourselves in.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:01 pmThe burgeoning folklore of St. Ronnie Raygun is beginning to remind me of the old Bill Brasky skits on SNL:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/69478/saturday-night-live-bill-brasky-holiday-inn
June 19th, 2009 at 2:02 pmMcCAIN: You and I are both students of re-writing history[...]
Fixed it. No need to thank me.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:02 pmSomeone please tell me what IIRC means. Thanks.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:03 pmIf McNutzi and Insanity are “students of history” they both need to study harder.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:03 pmWhat are the odds that McCain claims Reagan was the inventor of the wheel , and that he was there to witness it ?
Even money …….?
June 19th, 2009 at 2:04 pmIn 1968, Bonzo was sending the National Guard to the colleges to suppress student protesters with the desire to shoot the students.
Remember People’s Park!
June 19th, 2009 at 2:06 pmYoung people loathe McCain and don’t even know who Reagan was!
June 19th, 2009 at 2:07 pmMcCain claims to be a “student of history” ?
Seems he’s as proficient at that as he was a student in the Navy and his jet piloting acumen ………
June 19th, 2009 at 2:07 pmWhat about the Storming of the Bastille? I have it on good authority that both Ronald Reagan and John McCain were there, leading the charge.
I read about it on the Internets.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:07 pmIgnoranceIsNotBliss Says:
Someone please tell me what IIRC means. Thanks.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
If I recall correctly. :)
June 19th, 2009 at 2:08 pmParaphrasing Bill Maher…
Exhume Reagan. Prop him up like ‘Weekend at Bernie’s’, put him in a Limo, & parade his dead ass all over the Mideast.
This will immediately end Al Quada’s reign of terror. The fact America voted in a dead guy will totally freak them out.
Reagan will be a better President than before, & taxpayers won’t have to pay his salary…a win / win for the USA!
June 19th, 2009 at 2:09 pmMcCain barely graduated the US Naval Academy. 894 of 899 in his class. No wonder the guy doesn’t know his history. Hannity was a college dropout. It’s no wonder these idiots don’t know what their talking about.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:11 pmThere’s no doubt in my mind that we desperately need reform of the educational system.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:12 pmThose “students of history” need to go back to f’n school.
IIRC= If I recalled correctly?
Anyway, I guess McCain forgot about the Iran-Contra Scandal?
McCain is still a sorry sore a$$ loser.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:12 pmGrampy McSame says – Back in the day Ronnie was our hero and he is today, even dead he is better than rice cakes. Why I remember when Ron and I invented fire, it was his idea and I burned myself shaving, he also saved the world many times, it was what he liked doing, besides my wife, everyone likes doing her, that trollup c**t. Why Ronnie would talk to God, that’s right GAAAUUUDDD, and God would tell him to eat more hot dogs, we loved hot dogs with mustard. Ronnie told me about his deal with Iran to hold those hostages so he could fool the American People to vote for him, it was a great idea, wish I had thought of that, then I’d be president right now, and Iran would be a glass parking lot, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb…Bomb, Bomb Iran. Well now we just blog tweet Iran, which is crap, we need to blow it up…oops, looks like I blowed up a load in my diapers, got to go put it in my load collection jar.
And this is why you are not president, you’re unstable and Palin is unable.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:14 pmHanNewTea has been reading his mentors [Newt] alternative history books again.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:15 pmAs California Governor, Ronald Reagan single handedly whupped the commies in Europe and Asia.
Right.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:17 pmWhy can’t these guys let go of the past? I love how they always look back, but they never learn anything. We have to invest in our childrens future. The old, white GOP seems to have no regard for our young people. I would rather invest in them, then to constantly flame the fires of war.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:17 pmNext up on the Republican docket is to reconvene the Council of Nicaea and proclaim Reagan divine.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:18 pmDidn’t Senator McCain refer to Czechoslovakia (which is no longer on the map) just last year?
June 19th, 2009 at 2:20 pmspring heeled jack Says:
Next up on the Republican docket is to reconvene the Council of Nicaea and proclaim Reagan divine.
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Actually, it was Reagan who had the idea for the first Council of Nicaea. He also invented water.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:20 pmyou and i are students of history
gut-bustingly hilarious.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:20 pmLeaving aside McCain’s stupidity about dates, any intelligent person might have reminded him that Prague Spring didn’t have a happy ending — unless you consider Russian tanks rolling through Czechoslovakia and crushing the reform movement as “happy.”
June 19th, 2009 at 2:21 pmHey, Grampy McNumbNuts! Sit down and STFU!
June 19th, 2009 at 2:23 pmgummble-bee-itch Says:
Leaving aside McCain’s stupidity about dates, any intelligent person might have reminded him that Prague Spring didn’t have a happy ending — unless you consider Russian tanks rolling through Czechoslovakia and crushing the reform movement as “happy.”
June 19th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Well, it was spring time.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:23 pm/snark
Thanks Zooey and ranus.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:26 pmWhy are all these right wingers so gay for Reagan?
It’s odd to witness so many homophobes expressing their necrophilic man-love
June 19th, 2009 at 2:27 pmSenile.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:27 pmYesteday Pat Buchanan was waxing nostalgic about how Nixon handled the Hungarian revolution of 1956. Old white guys miss their glorious Cold War.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:30 pm… I’ve missed “Grampy McSame says…”
Good to have him back. Thanks, Buckie.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:30 pmNot a single troll can be bothered to defend Grampys?
June 19th, 2009 at 2:30 pmP.D. says: Why can’t these guys let go of the past?
Beacuse the Concervatives manipulate the past, give it any interpretation they want and SWEAR to GOD (or whatever satanic diety they worship) that it is all true and historically accurate!
The sad, sad fact is that 25% of the population eats it all up and conduct their lives within the parameters of these “myths”.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:31 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
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Not a single troll can be bothered to defend Grampys?
June 19th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
What exactly is there to defend ?
McCain has always spoken lovingly (and erroneously) of Reagan ; that won’t ever change , nor will the fact that Reagan completely sucked ass as president………..
June 19th, 2009 at 2:37 pmFYI
Tom Daschle was almost the Obama administration’s health czar before tax problems foiled his nomination. But in the months since he withdrew from the White House, he’s not abandoned health care. This week, he was back in the news: He released a proposal for reform that was co-signed by Bob Dole and Howard Baker, and reports emerged quoting him saying that the public plan option could be sacrificed for the good of health-care reform. Last night, we talked about his new plan, his support for the public option, and whether Democrats should use the reconciliation process. A lightly edited transcript follows.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/06/an_interview_with_tom_daschle.html
June 19th, 2009 at 2:38 pmThis has to be greatest impersonation of Ronald Reagan ever!
R.I.P. Phil Hartman.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Ronald Reagan stood up for working people of Poland?? Well his policies toward the working class sure suggests otherwise. Oh, BTW, Repubs. Reagan was president almost THIRTY YEARS AGO — IT IS TIME TO REMOVE THE REAGAN HARD-ON AND MOVE ON (I think even Mrs. Reagan would agree.) — Truly, you will remain a in a deserved minority status if you are looking backwards to an era that is THIRTY YEARS PAST!! The Reagan fetish is just down right creepy at this point.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:40 pmSorry link did not post..
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/president-reagan-mastermind/2859/
June 19th, 2009 at 2:41 pmFunny how Republicans love to re-write history. Reagan, while Governor of California, ordered in the California Highway Patrol to stop the Peoples’ Park protests in Berkeley on 15 May 1969. This was a very bloody act of repression. One man in Berkeley was murdered by the police. Many others were injured and/or jailed. Then he ordered 2,000 members of the California National Guard to occupy the City of Berkeley for two weeks. This was Reagan’s repressive “Berkeley Spring.”
June 19th, 2009 at 2:41 pmOT: on the John Ensign extramarital affair story, DKos is reporting that Faux news knew of the affair possibly a week before the Senator announced it, yet they were the last of the cable networks to cover it, after it was confirmed.
Can you imagine how they would have handled a similar story with a Democrat?
Oh yeah: they reported the story of John Edwards having an affair at least two weeks before it was confirmed by Edwards.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:41 pmSomeone’s gotta tell Johnnie Mac that history is written by the winners.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:41 pmRegan to me isn’t exactly the best President to use a guide. He left us with a recession, and greater national debt.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:41 pmReagan has something in common with Iran–illegally supplying them with weapons and shipping them to the Nicaraguan Contras in violation of the Boland Amendment. Otherwise known as the “Arms-for-hostages” deal.
Reagan did a lot of “great things” that everyone should remember–raising taxes on the working poor and middle class on three different occasions, cutting taxes on the wealthy, deregulating the financial sector leading to the Savings and Loan scandals, and much much more.
Anyway, Will Bunch has a great review of the real Reagan called “Tear Down this Myth.” Check it out from your nearby socialist library.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:42 pmkrystalview@56, Very true. It is so easy to put your head in the sand, then too face the reality these idiots have created for themselves(us included). The delusional Faux News watchers will never look at other news sources because they don’t WANT to know reality.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:43 pmReality has a well-known liberal bias and therefore cannot be trusted!
June 19th, 2009 at 2:47 pmJohn McCain is no longer a ‘good’ republican so he has no place naming good Democrats. Remember what he did during the election?
June 19th, 2009 at 2:49 pmMcCAIN: You and I are both students of history…
Umm no Senator McCain. If Sean Hannity is a “student of history”, my grandson’s pet Gerbil is the dean of all worldly knowledge.
And that explains why there is no “President McCain.”
Just saying . . .
June 19th, 2009 at 2:50 pmThe wingers want the world to believe that Ronnie boy is a hero of biblical proportions. The new version of the spiritual will be:
“Ronnie fit the battle of the Berlin Wall, Berlin Wall,
Berlin Wall, Ronnie fit the Battle of the Berlin Wall,
and the Wall came tumblin’ down!”
Heck, Ronnie may have even “Fit the Battle of Jerico” instead of Joshua; he just didn’t get the credit.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:51 pmIronically, The Zombie Reagan hates these two morons because they don’t have brains for him to munch on.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:53 pmI talked with Ronnie last night and he told me to be patient because all this adulation for my dear sweet departed is so that Mitt Romney will win the lookalike contest in 2012.
I’ll be back later, I’ve got to go get my hair done.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:53 pmDo you think Mittuns could find room in his closet… oops, I mean cabinet… for a mature woman?
Let us not forget that Ronnie also dismantled the Air Traffic Controllers union, fired them all and began the current 30 year spree of unbridled union busting…
June 19th, 2009 at 2:54 pmI don’t know why McCain keeps invoking Reagan. Nancy hated him for a while after he left his first wife.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:59 pmI would guess that Cindy is very encouraged that Johnny made this comment, memory loss is sign of dementia, she not that far away from being able to go out and get herself a nice young stud. What a lucky girl.
June 19th, 2009 at 3:02 pmI think Johhnie is kind of cute nowadays, he reminds of the other president friend I talk to a lot, Martin Van Buren.
June 19th, 2009 at 3:02 pmDo you think I could snatch him from Cindy?
Nancy: Why would you want him, she is the one that has all the cash. Pretty soon she can visit him the old age home, about once a month.
June 19th, 2009 at 3:06 pmWiz Says:
“What a lucky girl.”
Some bubba who likes to pound back the Budweiser and earn his keep.
June 19th, 2009 at 3:07 pmWell, duh, Reagan was so amazing that he was eternal, fully unbound by the limitations of time and space. If you look closely enough, Reagan is one of the soldiers in Washington’s boat crossing the Delaware in the famous painting.
June 19th, 2009 at 3:09 pmRepublicans are almost as good at history as they are at math, science, the law and economics.
June 19th, 2009 at 3:11 pmNo I think Cindy will get herself some ripped stud with a big one.
June 19th, 2009 at 3:13 pmLaugh it you will, but remember it was Reagan’s standing up for American principles that finally brought an end to the Peloponnesian war. And who can forget his stirring words regarding the Irish Potato Famine, bringing solace to a hungry people?
June 19th, 2009 at 3:15 pmWiz Says:
Nancy: “Why would you want him, in the old age home…
I just love all that “trickle down” talk….
June 19th, 2009 at 3:16 pmI hope you people aren’t making fun of all the wondrous accomplishments of my dear Ronnie down thru the ages.
After all, if Ronnie hadn’t been there to pick up Moses’s skirts crossing the Red Sea, where would we be today?
June 19th, 2009 at 3:22 pmReagan of course was at the vanguard of the uprising against the dictatorial Tsarist – oh wait, that was commies.
June 19th, 2009 at 3:23 pmI heard that the US destroyer tracking the N. Korean ship in the South China Sea is called the John McCain. I thought you couldn’t name stuff after people while they are still alive, of course if he isn’t really alive I guess it is ok.
June 19th, 2009 at 3:29 pmBiden and McCain should get together to compare notes about past presidents. McCain could bring up stuff that he thinks Reagan did, but didn’t and Biden could bring up stuff that he thinks FDR did, but didn’t.
June 19th, 2009 at 3:32 pmand then some idiot right winger could claim Al Gore claimed to have invented the internet and that Clinton staffers trashed the Whitehouse.Just for fun we could dig up some of those loons that claimed that the Clinton’s had people killed. What was that moronic video again “The Clinton Chronicles”?
June 19th, 2009 at 3:35 pmThe Republicans should be careful about giving Reagan credit for the fall of the Soviet Union. It really was the Pope. So when they get to heaven, who do you think God will believe?
June 19th, 2009 at 3:38 pmHey, JohnM, remember all the crazy accusations John McCain made during the election? How can anyone forget that? When he was palin’ around with Palin?
June 19th, 2009 at 3:41 pmMcCain and other “wingnuts” can’t remember history when they continuously bring flowers to the altar of their “God” Ronald Reagan. The tragedy of it all, is they are doing more harm than good in doing so, as they blindly and insultingly puch the Reagan myth!
June 19th, 2009 at 3:48 pmOld man yells at the clouds.
June 19th, 2009 at 3:49 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
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JohnM Says:
Biden and McCain should get together to compare notes about past presidents. McCain could bring up stuff that he thinks Reagan did, but didn’t and Biden could bring up stuff that he thinks FDR did, but didn’t.
Says the TARD that *NOMINATED* this MORON FOR *PRESIDENT*!! Yeah GREAT COMPARISON, for how *STUPID* the GOP IS! ;)
So comparing Biden to McCain shows how stupid McCain is? You don’t seem to have a lot of respect for the VP you voted for.
June 19th, 2009 at 3:50 pmI love the defense of well somebody else did too. I think JohnM likes it too. I just wanna know why Reagan supported terrorism and if that means that those that adore him are thus terrorism supporters…
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I love the defense of well somebody else did too. I think JohnM likes it too. …
You mean like saying since Fox News had extra access for the Bush administration that should not be a defense for ABC getting extra access for the Obama administration where there is no opposing view points or perspective?
June 19th, 2009 at 3:57 pmWhen Reagan was President of the Screen Actors Guild he was accused of date raping a young aspiring actress. Now we know why Senator Ensign hero worships him.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:01 pmWho said that? What I heard was that they were just given the same access. It wasn’t a defense at all. It was a simple evidence to show that the premise that this was unprecedented was in fact as you are now acknowledging a false premise
June 19th, 2009 at 4:01 pmMcCain could bring up stuff that he thinks Reagan did, but didn’t and Biden could bring up stuff that he thinks FDR did, but didn’t.
This troll reinforces my point #56. The lunatic fringe create fantasies and salivate at the prospect of manipulating history!
Touche!!
June 19th, 2009 at 4:05 pmToo bad progressives are never allowed on television to point out all the evil acts Reagan and Bush Sr. committed against this country.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:06 pmdbadass Says:
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Who said that? What I heard was that they were just given the same access. It wasn’t a defense at all. It was a simple evidence to show that the premise that this was unprecedented was in fact as you are now acknowledging a false premise
That is the entire premise. Obama is doing what is essentially an infomercial for his healthcare plan without any opposing viewpoints (which is unprecedented) and the only thing the left can say about a clear lack of journalistic integrity. Fox News may have been given more access, but they were never given something like this where the president gets to pitch his idea to the world unchecked. Somebody that is truly progressive should be upset of the government controlling the media like this.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:12 pmkrystalview Says:
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McCain could bring up stuff that he thinks Reagan did, but didn’t and Biden could bring up stuff that he thinks FDR did, but didn’t.
This troll reinforces my point #56. The lunatic fringe create fantasies and salivate at the prospect of manipulating history!
Touche!!
What history did I manipulate?
June 19th, 2009 at 4:13 pmWhat else should we expect? Republic Fascists (formerly known as Republicans) think that German National Socialism was a liberal/progressive movement.
If anything, they are ahistorical = they have neither knowledge of nor regard for history. They only care about making money.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:19 pm….mccain could bring up stuff he thinks Reagan did, but din’t do…..
DUH! Do you read what you write?
Actually, I don’t care what you think or say or write.
You just proved my point.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:20 pmI’m guessing maybe he was thinking of the Solidarnosk strikes in Poland? It’s kind of like Checkloslovakia.
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krystalview Says:
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….mccain could bring up stuff he thinks Reagan did, but din’t do…..
DUH! Do you read what you write?
Actually, I don’t care what you think or say or write.
You just proved my point.
You really aren’t making much sense. You did read the rest of the post about Biden correct? Do you understand sarcasm?
June 19th, 2009 at 4:26 pmWe need to be careful here. In 1968 Reagan dipped his toes in the presidential campaign. He indeed may have said something about Czechoslovakia. Somebody should search LexisNexis. I don’t have time right now.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:29 pmI am not buying your premise JohnM. You maybelieve what you wish but it does not make it truth. The argument was made that the access was unprecedented not anyone’s interpretation of the reasons for the access. That premise has been proven false. Incidentally what do you feel was the pupose of the then unprecedented access given to Fox?
June 19th, 2009 at 4:33 pmMcCain: “You & I are both students of history…”
June 19th, 2009 at 4:43 pmThis helps to explain why his standing was so abysmally low– he obviously didn’t learn very much.
John Foster Dulles has been spinning in his grave since Reagan and the Republicans claimed he single handedly brought down the Iron Curtain.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:43 pmSelf-confessed student-of-history McCain does this bad with history.
Wonder how he would do with economics which he admitted he knows nothing about.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:48 pmdbadass Says:
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I am not buying your premise JohnM. You maybelieve what you wish but it does not make it truth. The argument was made that the access was unprecedented not anyone’s interpretation of the reasons for the access. That premise has been proven false. Incidentally what do you feel was the pupose of the then unprecedented access given to Fox?
It is unprecedented to give a president such access to push his agenda on something like healthcare. This is an issue where people are very passionate either way and for the whitehouse to do this most certainly would be considered unprecendented. Giving access for interviews and up close looks is much different than what is going on here.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:54 pmJohnM Says:
Somebody that is truly progressive should be upset of the government controlling the media like this.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
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Well, I’m not upset. Sorry.
One of the duties of the President is communicating to the public by giving addresses to the nation. There’s no rule that these have to be balanced by opposing views.
I don’t recall any “opposing views” when GW Bush gave his “Get Out of Baghdad” message to Saddam before the Iraq invasion. I don’t recall any “pro-terrorism” commercials when he addressed the nation after September 11th. I don’t recall any “pro-major malfunction” rebuttals when Reagan addressed the nation after the 1986 Challenger explosion.
I really don’t see what you idiots are whining about, other than the fact that you LOVE to whine.
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chiroptera toasterhead Says:
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JohnM Says:
Somebody that is truly progressive should be upset of the government controlling the media like this.
June 19th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
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Well, I’m not upset. Sorry.
One of the duties of the President is communicating to the public by giving addresses to the nation. There’s no rule that these have to be balanced by opposing views.
I don’t recall any “opposing views” when GW Bush gave his “Get Out of Baghdad” message to Saddam before the Iraq invasion. I don’t recall any “pro-terrorism” commercials when he addressed the nation after September 11th. I don’t recall any “pro-major malfunction” rebuttals when Reagan addressed the nation after the 1986 Challenger explosion.
I really don’t see what you idiots are whining about, other than the fact that you LOVE to whine.
Addressing the nation is different than what is happening here. When a president addresses the nation all networks can pick up the address. Here it is only ABC News given access so Obama can control the message and essentially control the media outlet by giving them this exclusive. If you don’t mind government controlled media, then you certainly are not really a progressive at all. The lack of opposing viewpoint cements the idea that the whitehouse does not want a dialogue to be opened up. If you have no problem watching your news through a government filter, then you will get what you deserve.
June 19th, 2009 at 5:04 pmJohnM:
June 19th, 2009 at 5:14 pmRove said the acces was unprecedented. Are you shifting goal posts? I notice you didn’t tell me what you thought the pupose of the first truly unprecedent Fox access was for. Are you scared of that question?
JohnM, Cry me a f uckin’ river.
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JohnM, Cry me a f uckin’ river.
Another childish and pittiful post by Zooey.
June 19th, 2009 at 5:33 pmdbadass Says:
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JohnM:
Rove said the acces was unprecedented. Are you shifting goal posts? I notice you didn’t tell me what you thought the pupose of the first truly unprecedent Fox access was for. Are you scared of that question?
Access to push an agenda like this is unprecendented and that is what I believe Rove was talking about. Giving access to show the day to day or Can you show me where the Bush whitehouse pushed through an issue with access like this to Fox News? What Obama is doing here is extremely shady.
June 19th, 2009 at 5:37 pmAnother McCain “senior moment”.
June 19th, 2009 at 5:37 pmJohnM Says:
The lack of opposing viewpoint cements the idea that the whitehouse does not want a dialogue to be opened up. If you have no problem watching your news through a government filter, then you will get what you deserve.
June 19th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
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You do realize that ABC is not a state-run media outlet, correct? I mean, they call it the American Broadcasting Company, but that doesn’t mean it’s THE American Broadcasting Company. There are several other networks operating in this country, plus multiple cable channels solely dedicated to broadcasting news. All of these are capable of broadcasting opposing views to what ABC is broadcasting on one network.
That’s not a government filter. In fact, it’s not a filter at all.
Good try, though.
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JohnM Says:
The lack of opposing viewpoint cements the idea that the whitehouse does not want a dialogue to be opened up. If you have no problem watching your news through a government filter, then you will get what you deserve.
June 19th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
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You do realize that ABC is not a state-run media outlet, correct?
Of course I know that, this is simply an I scratch your back and then tell you what to broadcast thing.
June 19th, 2009 at 6:10 pmso Obama can control the message and essentially control the media outlet by giving them this exclusive
Umm, JohnMoron, don’t look now, but Faux Media is spewing anti Obama everything day in and night out.
June 19th, 2009 at 6:11 pmThere’s plenty of dissenting voices blaring and blathering…
John M, please follow this link:
http://abc.go.com/
There you will find advertisments, a poll about superstars, lots of stuff, but nothing about health care.
June 19th, 2009 at 6:15 pmIf he were dominating and controlling this media outlet, wouldn’t they at least have something besides a trailer about Good Morning America ???
“And some good Democrats did, too”. Are there any bad ones?
Ye gods.
June 19th, 2009 at 7:02 pm“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”
So what happens when you are too damn stupid to even know the basics of history?
June 19th, 2009 at 7:04 pmThe Cold War was being mythologized as it happened, and it’s now becoming the cartoon version of the myth. Now is the time to get the Soviet side of history, recognize that WW II would have been lost to the Germans had the Soviet Union been defeated and that the Soviets beat hell out of the Japanese in China, and start telling the truth about what our government knew vs. what they told us during the Cold War.
Hopefully, the internet will make it impossible to have another Cold War. It was based on secrecy and booga-booga, all around. Reagan bringing down the Evil Empire is fiction. I’ll credit him with significant arms reductions, but the Soviets get equal credit for that.
I’ve seen posters on other sites say that Russia is our enemy and always will be. This is ridiculous, and these Reagan/Evil Empire myths are part of what keeps that going. In typical Republican fashion, we defeat the enemy, but the enemy lives on to justify the largest military budget in the world.
Sorry. Had to rant.
June 19th, 2009 at 8:09 pm“Students of history”? Who was their teacher? Jethro Bodine?
June 19th, 2009 at 9:55 pmI haven’t read all of the comments, I don’t know, but I been told that the POPE had more to do with the Berlin Wall comming down than Rotten Reagan’s performance, however, the right wing doing what they do best, jumped on the media band wagon and took credit for the lion’s share that the POPE actually did. Oh yea, nobody named an Aircraft Carrier after him either, that also went to sleeping “B” character Reagan.
June 19th, 2009 at 10:00 pmJohnM Says:
Of course I know that, this is simply an I scratch your back and then tell you what to broadcast thing.
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Is that anything like the Rush tells you what to think and you regurgiate it thing? I mean other than the FACT you have no idea what ABC is going to broadcast. You know other than that reality thing. Since Rush TOLD you it was going to be an infomercial that became YOUR reality, beings you are way too stupid to think for yourself, it did not however become ACTUAL reality. You are stupid John. You are brainwashed. It might do your credibility a world of good, and your credibility cannot get any worse, if you would just STFU till you have some dim idea what you are talkig about OTHER than what Rush told you to think
June 20th, 2009 at 5:13 pmThere is only one real response to this story:
Wow. Wow. Oh, wow.
“students of history”? Again, only one real response:
ha ha
June 20th, 2009 at 5:46 pmThank you..
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