Pence Pushes House Resolution To Criticize Obama’s Response To Iran
Pence Pushes House Resolution To Criticize Obama’s Response To Iran
Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN) and Rep. Howard Berman (D-CA) introduced a non-binding resolution yesterday “condemning the crackdown on pro-democracy activists in Iran.” Roll Call reports that it was “cleared for a Friday floor vote.” Pence, in recent days, has been all over cable news channels talking up his resolution, repeatedly insisting that it was motivated out a sense of loyalty to the “American cause of freedom.”
While the text of his resolution appears to offer unobjectionable support for Iranian freedoms, Pence is using bipartisan support of the resolution to criticize the Obama administration’s response to Iran.
On Fox News this morning, Pence repeated the pitch he’s made again and again on cable news in recent days: “We’ve yet to hear the President express the unqualified support of the American people for the people who are bravely going to the streets in Iran.” But despite his very public campaign for Obama to make such a statement, Pence admitted that he hadn’t actually talked to the President about how to best support the people of Iran:
PENCE: I haven’t talked to the President about it this week, but I do want to say that I think it’s a false choice to say that you can be either about engagement and or speak the ideals of the American people and our historic commitment to freedom. I think you can do both.
Later, Pence cited former President Reagan’s speech at the Brandenburg Gate as reason for Obama to combine tough pro-democracy talk with engagement. Watch it:
Despite Pence’s criticisms, former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger endorsed Obama’s response. “I think the president has handled this well,” he said. Similarly, Iranian human rights activist and the Nobel Peace Prize winner Shirin Ebadi called Obama’s comments on Iran “sufficient” and said “what happens in Iran regards the people themselves, and it is up to them to make their voices heard.” Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN) took a similar view, saying, “For us to become heavily involved in the election at this point is to give the clergy an opportunity to have an enemy and to use us, really, to retain their power.”
Pence also may want to consider how the demonstrators feel about the U.S. inserting itself into their struggle. Former Iran correspondent for Time magazine Azadeh Moaveni reported that there is “a resounding belief that this time the United States should keep out.” As for Pence’s criticism that the U.S. posture toward Iran should include Reagan-style pro-democracy rhetoric, Obama already has that covered. In his speech in Cairo earlier this month aimed, in part, at Iran, Obama declared:
America does not presume to know what is best for everyone, just as we would not presume to pick the outcome of a peaceful election. But I do have an unyielding belief that all people yearn for certain things: the ability to speak your mind and have a say in how you are governed; confidence in the rule of law and the equal administration of justice; government that is transparent and doesn’t steal from the people; the freedom to live as you choose. These are not just American ideas; they are human rights. And that is why we will support them everywhere.
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That’s funny… I thought it was a risk to national security to show the world that we have differing factions and internal disagreements on foreign policy. That’s what Dick Cheney told us about the debate over torture and Guantanamo, right?
What changed between then and now?
June 19th, 2009 at 10:42 amHow do you treat with respect people with so little in the way of intelligence or class?
The Republican Party is a caricature because of people like Pence. As it’s become more and more extreme, the self-centeredness, the lack of awareness of views outside their own, has only become more prominent. It’s not good for the nation.
June 19th, 2009 at 10:44 amA “D” in the White House
June 19th, 2009 at 10:45 amThe more you hear the Repubs’ chest-thumping comments, the more you admire how Obama is handling things.
June 19th, 2009 at 10:46 amHey, that’s a great idea!
Let’s throw gasoline on this raging fire!! I’m sure that will calm things down!!
You can’t spell iGnOrant Pitiful excuses for statesmen without GOP…
June 19th, 2009 at 10:47 amPence also may want to consider how the demonstrators feel about the U.S. inserting itself into their struggle. Former Iran correspondent for Time magazine Azadeh Moaveni reported that there is “a resounding belief that this time the United States should keep out.”
This is another example of what I was talking about — the unrelenting primacy of their own perspective. These guys (the Republicans) don’t care what the challenge is, nor what the objective is, nor what is the best way to achieve that objective.
All they can see is their narrow political objective — take down the President.
Party before country.
June 19th, 2009 at 10:47 amGOP, the party of morons. There is no democracy in Iran. The sham elections, where the candidates were selected by the mullahs, the votes (sic) counted by the mullahs, the outcome predetermined by the mullahs, should piss off the Iranians.
June 19th, 2009 at 10:47 amLet them deal with it.
OK, Dems in Congress, it is payback time. Show the Republicans the same obstructionist, killing-through-amendment tactics on this stupid resolution as they are showing on every other issue. For example, someone introduce an amendment calling for restraint in using force and/or favoring diplomacy over the military. Get creative.
June 19th, 2009 at 10:51 amSo is this guy a mole for Ahmedinejad? Why is he trying to strengthen the crackdowns?
June 19th, 2009 at 10:51 amAmericasBack Says:
When will The United States Government let other countries determine their own destinies?
June 19th, 2009 at 10:48 am
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*cough cough* Israel *cough* China *cough cough* Saudi Arabia *cough*
Oh, sorry. Had a little coughing spell there. ‘Scuse me.
June 19th, 2009 at 10:53 amPerhaps if we Americans had taken to the streets in 2000 like the Iranians… we wouldn’t be floundering around in this big pot of leftover (R)sh*t.
June 19th, 2009 at 10:54 amThe GOP wants to make sure that the hard right wing stays in power in Iran so they can have an excuse to go to war.
Peace is not profitable for them.
June 19th, 2009 at 10:54 amchiroptera toasterhead Says:
Oh, sorry. Had a little coughing spell there. ‘Scuse me.
June 19th, 2009 at 10:53 am
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Oops! Heh – I thought AmericasBack meant “when will the United States let other countries control ITS own destiny.” Sorry! :)
June 19th, 2009 at 10:54 amI see think progress is running interference for the white house and dems today.
They are quietly dropping any meaningful healthcare reform, a key part of the agenda obama ran on.
They can find billions for banks, car companies, and war, but are selling us out on meaningful healthcare reform – something Americans overwhelmingly want.
The white house and the dems are far more dangerous to your health right now – they are abandoning us.
And all some want to do is continue to talk about marginalized lying liars instead of the lying liars that actually are in charge.
Just amazing…
June 19th, 2009 at 10:56 amTop Democrat appears to set stage for dropping public healthcare option — on blog
And fools like pense are more important topics today?
June 19th, 2009 at 10:57 amAs Larison wrote this morning: “All of this comes back to the problem of Republican denial about why they lost power. They are supremely confident about their views on national security and foreign policy, and they cannot conceive that a majority of the country would reject them because of the policies they advocated and enacted. Worse still, they remain wedded to the hectoring, moralistic and aggressive approach of the last administration, in which sanctions and condemnation are the only ’soft’ tools they understand.”
Pence is the perfect example of this. The guy is a brain-dead moron. I think he has a chance for a “tofer” here, though. It’s time for him to put his money where his mouth is. I think he should personally go march in the streets with the Iranians. Then — if there’s anything left of him — he should haul his carcass off to Iraq and spend a couple months fighting those “terrorists”.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:02 amAnother Joe Says:
Top Democrat appears to set stage for dropping public healthcare option — on blog
June 19th, 2009 at 10:57 am
From Sen. Dodd’s blog post:
Doesn’t sound like giving up to me.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:03 amgee, Another Concern Troll
shocker
June 19th, 2009 at 11:07 amLet the Iranians handle their own business. Pence is a disaster, a grand old idiot!
Obama is the President and he is doing the right thing by keeping the US out of Iran’s affairs!
We’ve got enough going on in the US Pence – why aren’t you working on REAL legislation that will help Americans?! These GOPers are sickening!
June 19th, 2009 at 11:08 amTo Republicans the deaths of foreigners are almost always purely treated in the context of domestic politics. Non-Americans only exist at tools to use against Democrats.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:09 amPence: “We’ve yet to hear the President express the unqualified support of the American people for the people who are bravely going to the streets in Iran.”
– - It’s ironic that the GOP wants Obama to engage in hopeful, supportive and flowery rhetoric in a time of crisis in Iran when they mocked him incessantly during the campaign and after the election, for using hopeful, supportive and flowery rhetoric to talk about America’s problems.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:11 amAnother Joe Says:
I see think progress is running interference for the white house and dems today.
There is a relevant article here for you to drop any comments on health care in. There are also a couple of mentions of it here.
Please stop whining in this thread that this thread isn’t what you want to see. The TP blog is not a comprehensive media source; it pretty much just posts things that show how stupid R’s are. That’s always been its focus. Not just today, but all the time.
If you want items that focus on liberal activism and what we can/should do, I’d recommend dailykos. Now, shoo!
June 19th, 2009 at 11:11 amObama even screwed up iran.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:13 amLast time I looked, Iran isn’t a state of the USA.
Oh, and had not f#cked Bush II the UN, monitoring the iranian elections would have been a more fitting due for them.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:16 amJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Obama even screwed up iran.
– - Well, there’s today’s deep thought from the Wingnuts.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:17 amJust flag and ignore Jimmy Small Balls
He’s just an ignorant, frightened racist.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:18 amJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Obama even screwed up iran.
If your 2 brain cells ever meet in that cavern of a head, do they make sparks?
June 19th, 2009 at 11:19 amthese retarded, ignorant, backward-thinking APES never cease to amaze me, I swear.. so they’re willing to undermine the opposition and those struggling and risking their lives for their freedom in Iran JUST SO THEY CAN MAKE A POLITICAL POINT?? just FOR THE SAKE OF having SOMETHING to say against the President??
they ought to be ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES…
here’s the Reps’ foreign policy problem in a nutshell:
June 19th, 2009 at 11:21 amhttp://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/the-ineffective-opposition.html
Who is Pence ??? Sounds like another wannabe. President Obama is doing the right thing about Iran. Republicans should check out former Secretary of State Henry Kessinger statement,”I think the president has handled this well,”. I believe Mr. Kessinger was(is) a Republican and worked for President Nixon (Republican).
June 19th, 2009 at 11:22 amJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Obama even screwed up iran.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:13 am
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What would you consider an appropriate response? I’m curious. And “do something” is not an acceptable answer. You need to be specific.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:22 amWayne Says:
Jimmy Big Bucks Says:
Obama even screwed up iran.
If your 2 brain cells ever meet in that cavern of a head, do they make sparks?
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Nah, both are duds.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:23 amSo the bomb Iran crowd is now concerned with the freedom of the collateral damage?
I guess this is America’s version of Last Rites.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:26 amJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Obama even screwed up iran.
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Wow, are you really this stupid? What is it like to have everyone else form your opinions and do your thinking for you? Do you really have a brain? If so, how about using it. How about thinking for yourself?
Maybe you should stop showing everyone just how ignorant you really are by posting a comment that actually contains something that proves you have some intellect.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:26 amJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Obama even screwed up iran
Jimmy redsox, are you going soxless today or is your mom done with them?
June 19th, 2009 at 11:29 amJimmy Big Sucks Says:
June 19th, 2009 at 11:29 amObama even screwed up iran.
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Says who?
Nice to see the republicans supporting their President during a time of war. Nice to see them reach for any kind of criticism to bring down the President. They have nothing else going for them these days. By their own definition, these losers would all be traitors, unpatriotic, unAmerican.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:29 amThe United States coming out in support of the protesters in Iran would be like Venezuela supporting Norm Coleman fight against Al Frankin.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:31 amIt wouldn’t change the outcome but it would piss off his supporters.
Mike Pence = Rush Limbaugh with a law degree.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:32 amI hope someone attaches an amendment to pence’s bill that will legalize gay marriage.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:32 amShut up.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:32 amPENCE: I haven’t talked to the President about it this week, but…
This guy sounds like one of our dumb f uck trolls.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:33 amDoes the president really need advice from a party that:
1-Blindly led us into two wars?
June 19th, 2009 at 11:34 am2-Did nothing as our economy unraveled?
3-Helped create more enemies and hatred for our country?
4-Raised the level of hate in our own country?
5-Allowed our nation debt to triple?
6-Allowed our foreign debt to hit record numbers?
7-Allowed a president to trample all over the constitution?
8-Allowed torture, illegal surveillance and rendition?
9-Turned their backs on the middle class?
10-Turned their backs on the American worker?
11-Turned their backs on the Veterans?
spring heeled jack Says:
So the bomb Iran crowd is now concerned with the freedom of the collateral damage?
I guess this is America’s version of Last Rites.
There plan is to get all the “pro democracy” iranians killed in the protests so when they drop the bomb, only the “anti democracy” iranians will be killed.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:35 amJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Shut up.
I will if you will.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:35 amRemind me again how the Bush foreign policy forged a strong diplomatic relationship between the US and Iran. With guys like Bolton, Cheney, Perle, and Rumsfeld fronting the GOP diplomacy efforts, and others like Kristol, Hannity and Limbaugh cheerleading; how could we possibly go wrong?
June 19th, 2009 at 11:35 amJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Obama even screwed up iran.
I’ll say! He even screwed up the weather machine that he had been planning to install with the Weather Channel in order to control the greenhouse effect and force cap-and-trade on us.
The second Great Flood is now upon us in the Northeast, but we haven’t been able to accumulate enough Republicans for the Ark. Seems they’re all old white fat males, and I’m sure they won’t be able to reproduce, since they’re all straight too.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:36 amJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Shut up.
I’m sorry, were you talking to me? If you’re talking to the garbage truck crew that’s currently gangbanging your mom, I’ll stop…
June 19th, 2009 at 11:37 amWonder WHO will vote for this [cough, cough] bi-partisan non-binding resolution?
Mr. Obama should just tell Pence to STFU because he has no business interfering, as Iran had no business interfering with our 2000 and 2004 ‘questionable’ election results . .
June 19th, 2009 at 11:37 amJimmy Two Sheds Says:
Shut up.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:32 am
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No. I asked you a question. Please respond. What would you consider an appropriate response to the situation in Iran?
June 19th, 2009 at 11:38 amEven the majority of Conservatives are sick of Bush’s Middle-Eastern ‘policies’ (attack first and don’t ask questions unless it is to someone who has been waterboarded first), and want us to stay out of this…
June 19th, 2009 at 11:38 amThis is why we need to get rid of this moran party all they are a bunch greedy business men only looking out for there money they can get and take care of there business buddys, have they ever done one thing to help the american people. Vote no on all of the scum in the next two elections to clean the vipors out.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:40 amOur government should learn from history. We do not need to meddle with Iran. The last time we did, back in the 50’s, we had the CIA go in a stir up trouble which led to the ousting of a democratically elected PM, who was replaced by the Shah who was a ruthless dictator and a puppet for the Western world and British Petroleum. Our involvement back then is what caused all of the hatred we see towards us today.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:41 amJimmy? An adult asked you a serious question at post 52. If you offer a serious response, I’ll leave your mother alone, until you cease with the serious discussion. If not, I plan on getting really vulgar…
June 19th, 2009 at 11:44 amJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Shut up.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Too funny. :-D
June 19th, 2009 at 11:44 amUncle Fester Lurks Says:
Our involvement back then is what caused all of the hatred we see towards us today.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:41 am
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Well, not all of it. There was also the meddling in Indonesia and Egypt and Guatemala and El Salvador and Nicaragua and Chile and Argentina and Angola, to name a few.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:45 amSo the Republicans are in effect supporting the Iranian hardliners, letting them argue the protesters are directed from the US. If the Iranian protesters win, it will be because of Obama, if they lose it will be because of the Repubs. How many deaths will be caused by a brutal crackdown that the Iraniam regime will claim was necessary because of interference from the US. Repubs are well aware of this and they have only one interest, getting and maintaining of power. They act against the best interest of the United States to avoid the perception that Obama’s foreign policy is correct.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:46 amThe right wing Christian response to everything these days is to nuke everyone. I don’t recall Jesus saying “Thou shall nuketh all foes and nations who don’t agree with you.”
June 19th, 2009 at 11:47 amYou’re right Uncle Fester, but the problem is, you’re asking a group of people to take into consideration an historical perspective that spans almost 60 years, when they don’t remember that 6 months ago they wanted to bomb into dust the same people they are now holding up as paragons of democratic freedom…
June 19th, 2009 at 11:47 amBobwurst, I have a message on Line 1 from a Mr. John Ziegler. He is planning to join a fifteen-person march as a protest your posts and demanding that you are fired from the blog if you do not apologize to a Mr. Jimmy Big Bucks.
I’ll put him on hold.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:48 amI say we liberate the people of iran and take out akmed.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:48 amZooey Says:
Jimmy Big Bucks Says:
Shut up.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Too funny. :-D
Yeah, maybe we’re lucky and he forgot to start with the personal pronoun…
June 19th, 2009 at 11:48 amIn my opinion, the GOP (and compliant Democrats) have no teeth and no business puffing their chests out demanding anything until they have a full and complete mea culpa pertaining to the last administrations blunders and possible crimes.
I hold no stock in their blustering without acknowledging the devastation Bush/Cheney/Libby/Wolfowitz/Rove/Card/etc….have put on the American People and the rest of this world.
Until then, it’s all farts in the wind.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:48 amRepublicans seem to believe that yelling at and threatening other countries counts as “diplomacy” and will somehow make those countries do what we want. In every instance during Bush’s entire term, the exact opposite has happened. It never works. It’s always counterproductive.
An interesting parallel – most of Ahmedinejad’s most inflammatory speeches were delivered to an audience consisting of his base, just as most of Bush’s were. While it might be fun and profitable to throw around red meat and talk smack about other countries, it only serves to damage international relations.
Now, we don’t even have diplomatic channels with Iran; it’s kind of tough to send an ambassador to a country that took our last ambassadors hostage. We’ve already sanctioned the heck out of them, and short of bombing or invading, there’s nothing left for us to do. We’ve got no leverage left. Which means we have no control over Iran whatsoever.
Talking smack about their situation would only make it worse; whatever we seem to want, they’ll do the opposite.
Hey, maybe Obama should speak out in support of Ahmedinejad…
June 19th, 2009 at 11:48 amJimmy Big Bucks Says:
I say we liberate the people of iran and take out akmed.
Sometimes I fart. But I don’t treat that as sound advice either. Cruise missiles =/= liberation. btw, who’s “akmed?”
June 19th, 2009 at 11:51 amJimmy Big Bucks Says:
I say we liberate the people of iran and take out akmed.
Can I have an outside opinion folks? Does this constitute a serious response? It’s an insanely stupid comment and ignores Uncle Fester’s post at 54, but it does have the form of a serious response.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:52 amJimmy Big Bucks Says:
I say we liberate the people of iran and take out akmed.
And I say you need to take your meds…
**shakes head**
June 19th, 2009 at 11:52 amchiroptera toasterhead Says:
Well, not all of it. There was also the meddling in Indonesia and Egypt and Guatemala and El Salvador and Nicaragua and Chile and Argentina and Angola, to name a few.
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You know your American history CT! Yeah, I should have mentioned those other countries and could have included the Congo, Afghanistan, Honduras, China (in the 30’s & 40’s) Vietnam, Cambodia….
Here is a interesting link which tells about the history of our meddling in other countries affairs, which was usually done at the behest of American corporations.
http://www.redmoonrising.com/AmericanBabylon/Part3.htm
June 19th, 2009 at 11:54 amJimmy Big Bucks Says:
I say we liberate the people of iran and take out akmed.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:48 am
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Ah, okay. Now we’re getting somewhere.
How would you propose we do that?
Also, who’s Akmed? If you’re referring to current President Mahmoud Ahmedi-Najad, please be advised that the first consonant in his name is an aspirated Haa sound, not a velar stop or a uvular fricative.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:54 amEven if Obama doesn’t say anything about this, Ahmedinejad may be able to use the GOP’s chest-thumping as an excuse to point out that America just might use this opportunity to invade them. That would shut down the protests pretty quick.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:54 amPurple State Says:
Bobwurst, I have a message on Line 1 from a Mr. John Ziegler. He is planning to join a fifteen-person march as a protest your posts and demanding that you are fired from the blog if you do not apologize to a Mr. Jimmy Big Bucks.
I’ll put him on hold.
Well, that explains the baglady in my front yard screaming that Hillary should be president…
June 19th, 2009 at 11:55 amElBruce,
I think the troll is blithering about this “Akmed.” ;)
June 19th, 2009 at 11:55 amWasnt Jimmeh, just the other day, wanting to nuke Iraq Iran Afghanistan…or was that APee, spose it doesnt matter, both are the same idiotology.
And no, I am not posting to you Jimmeh APee, but about you.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:55 amUncle Fester Lurks Says:
The right wing Christian response to everything these days is to nuke everyone. I don’t recall Jesus saying “Thou shall nuketh all foes and nations who don’t agree with you.”
Armageddon,16:4 “Let he who is without sin, cast the first nuke.”
June 19th, 2009 at 11:55 amMy clinical opinion, Bobwurst, is that it’s a frivolous response calculated to provoke.
The fact that it’s so woefully unprovocative only serves to demonstrate its immature clumsiness. But that is its intent.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:57 amUncle Fester Lurks Says:
You know your American history CT! Yeah, I should have mentioned those other countries and could have included the Congo, Afghanistan, Honduras, China (in the 30’s & 40’s) Vietnam, Cambodia….
June 19th, 2009 at 11:54 am
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Thanks! Yeah, it definitely wasn’t a comprehensive list… If you haven’t already read it, John Perkins’ Confessions of an Economic Hit Man is a fascinating first-hand account of many of these dark chapters in our history.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:59 amThat was before Jesus was elevated to GOD, who now, by rapturists, says, “Go forth and kill my creation of life so you may be saved”
June 19th, 2009 at 11:59 amRepublicans are irrelevant and on their way to extinction and they are coming unhinged before your eyes. They show no intelligence.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:59 amJimmy Big Bucks Says:
I say we liberate the people of iran and take out akmed.
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Yep, it’s just that easy! Kind of like we liberated Iraq huh? Wasn’t that great when the Iraqi people greeted our soldiers with flowers and candy?
Yep, our military is already stuck in two perpetual wars, wars that have been proven through out history are not winnable. But hey we are the great USA, the only super power, why not start wars with Iran and North Korea too, that was the original plan of the Neocons wasn’t it? First Iraq, than Syria, than Iran and than North Korea.
It all worked out so well on the board game Risk, it should be just as easy in real life just as long as the neocons family members don’t have to put their own lives on the line.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:00 pmBobwurst Says:
Jimmy Big Bucks Says:
I say we liberate the people of iran and take out akmed.
Can I have an outside opinion folks?
Here’s my opinion, Bob. When you ask a moron a serious question, don’t be surprised when you get a moronic response.
We all know that JBB is one tree short of a hammock. I am not surprised at his response.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:00 pmHow long before obomber bombs NK?
June 19th, 2009 at 12:00 pmThe profiticians, elected and unelected [washington consensus] view economic security as national security otherwise rationalized as exceptionalism
June 19th, 2009 at 12:02 pmWe all know that JBB is one tree short of a hammock
Yeh, he really needs to get back to the McDonalds fyer as he is a few fries short of a happy meal
June 19th, 2009 at 12:04 pmAmerican Patriot Says:
How long before obomber bombs NK?
1. Hopefully never.
2. You do realize that the “Obomber” nickname was earned for his outside jump shot, right?
June 19th, 2009 at 12:05 pmActually some people did take to the streets and our media didn’t show the rest of us. Michael Moore had to show us.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:06 pmChina really needs to real in Kim Jong Il, he is a bigger security threat to them and Im pretty sure the profiticians would not protest that.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:06 pmthe “American cause of freedom.” sigh. what an insane amount of cognitive dissonance in that phrase. We’ve done more to de-stabilize and then exploit weaker countries for our own material gain for ages- so many under this guise of ‘freedom.’ Amongst other aspects of American mythology, this is a major one we need to really face as a nation, and see that altruism rarely exists in our political class, as much as the public deludes itself into thinking. American exceptionalism needs to stop.
We can’t even effectively protest our own illegal elections, and now we’re looking at Iran as some sort infant democracy that needs OUR help? In what? Anesthetizing the public with consumerism and pop culture?
June 19th, 2009 at 12:07 pmPrediction: obama takes out ship carrying missiles…..secular progressive blame Bush, Cheney, Rush, Hannity, Savage, Rove, Levin (The Great One), O’Reilly and Beck.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:07 pmTP, you really do need to change that headline. You make it sound like the resolution Pence is pushing criticizes President Obama’s response. That is not the case.
Personally I think that President Obama is handling it quite well. He has expressed his displeasure at the violence the government is perpetuating with the protesters. But, he is keeping his nose out of their affairs. If he was to start speaking out against the government of Iran and supporting the protesters fully, it will do nothing but give the government of Iran fodder to inflame the situation more.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:10 pmWith all this talk of bombing from jbb,ap and others you’d think that a massive wave of new enlistees are headed to their local recruiting offices.
No major conflict our history of warfare has ever been won without massive amounts of troops on the ground. So the bombing would be step one. Has jbb and the rest thought about step two let alone three,four,etc…..
Talk is cheap. War isn’t.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:11 pmThe reich wingers are always on the wrong side of history. They criticized France for not helping us invade a country that had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. They fail to remember that without the help of the French during the revolutionary war, we would have never England and become the USA.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:12 pmdefeated England…
June 19th, 2009 at 12:12 pmTalk is cheap. War isn’t.
Indeed. Just ask obama. He’s dragging out to “needless” wars. No outrage? Shocker!
June 19th, 2009 at 12:13 pmtwo “needless” wars
June 19th, 2009 at 12:14 pmOT I saw where Murdick sold off Weakly Standturd.
I hope this means Kristol will be off the Teebee.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:14 pmi think a huge amount of people on the left have continued to express outrage over the various wars for years.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:15 pmAmerican Patriot Says:
Prediction: obama takes out ship carrying missiles…..secular progressive blame Bush, Cheney, Rush, Hannity, Savage, Rove, Levin (The Great One), O’Reilly and Beck.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
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Why would we blame anyone for the USS John McCain acting as it has been authorized to do under a UN Security Council resolution?
June 19th, 2009 at 12:16 pmAmerican Patriot Says:
Prediction: obama takes out ship carrying missiles…..secular progressive blame Bush, Cheney, Rush, Hannity, Savage, Rove, Levin (The Great One), O’Reilly and Beck.
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Prediction: Another terrorist attack happens in our country and Cheney, Rush, Hannity, Savage, Rove, Levin (the idiot), O’ Reilly and Beck are all happy to see it happen and than blame it all on Clinton and Obama.
As it would have nothing to do with the enemies and hatred the Bush policies have created or the open borders or the false sense of security created by the DHS.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:17 pmSomebody care to take aP down to the nearest recruiting office?
June 19th, 2009 at 12:19 pmtony and lido
American Patriot, you are wrong a##hole! Many of us are critical of President Obama over the wars. Unlike you sheople on the right, we question the President, where as you just sat with your head up your a## and cheerleaded every that your little fuhrer did.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:19 pmIf there is a lack of “outrage” that you don’t see AP, I would say that it you’ve been taking in too much MSM, which has always suppressed coverage of anti-war demonstrations in this country. A corporate media that only has its bottom line and its own to protect isn’t dictated by any real sense of the duty of objective reporting.
What I believe you’re insinuating is that the ‘liberal media’ supports the President’s decision, and then you irresponsibly assume that liberals in general are now not against the wars because Obama is now commander in chief. Simplistic and just wrong.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:22 pmWhat makes me think that if President Obama had taken a hard line with Iran that the Republics would be criticizing him for it?
June 19th, 2009 at 12:22 pmFester, I question our president too. Except when I do it, im branded a right wing racist lunatic KKK member redneck chickenhawk. You see the double standard?
June 19th, 2009 at 12:22 pmAnother genius Republican senator was on MSNBC yesterday and said that Iranians don’t even remember or care about the 1953 American led coup against the democratically-elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddeq and put the Shah in power.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:23 pmThe FACT is Kim Jung Il is thumbing his nose at the USA because thanks to Bushco, he knows we are stuck in two perpetual wars with our military stretched dangerously thin. It wouldn’t surprise me if Jung Il is getting the green light to taunt and threaten the USA from China or Russia.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:24 pmFester, I question our president too. Except when I do it, im branded a right wing racist lunatic KKK member redneck chickenhawk. You see the double standard?
not to butt in, but the reasoning behind WHY you question this administrations’ policies might have something to do with being branded as a right wing racist lunatic KKK member redneck chickhawk. There’s no double standard, there’s you oversimplifying the problem and looking foolish.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:26 pmPrediction: Another terrorist attack happens in our country and Cheney, Rush, Hannity, Savage, Rove, Levin (the idiot), O’ Reilly and Beck are all happy to see it happen and than blame it all on Clinton and Obama.
As it would have nothing to do with the enemies and hatred the Bush policies have created or the open borders or the false sense of security created by the DHS.
Right on cue!
June 19th, 2009 at 12:26 pmAmerican Patriot Says:
two “needless” wars
So AP, were you out there protesting the two needless wars? Or did they become needless once Obama took office?
June 19th, 2009 at 12:26 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Fester, I question our president too. Except when I do it, im branded a right wing racist lunatic KKK member redneck chickenhawk. You see the double standard?
June 19th, 2009 at 12:26 pm“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““`
Yep I do, you never questioned George W. Bush during his eight year reign of error. You don’t question President Obama you attack and insult him with mindless, racial comments. Big difference.
Jimmy Big Bucks Says:
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Fester, I question our president too. Except when I do it, im branded a right wing racist lunatic KKK member redneck chickenhawk. You see the double standard?
That’s SOP around here.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:26 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Fester, I question our president too. Except when I do it, im branded a right wing racist lunatic KKK member redneck chickenhawk. You see the double standard?
June 19th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
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It’s not a double standard. Just a statement of fact. We don’t call you a right wing racist lunatic KKK member redneck chickenhawk because you question the President. We call you a a right wing racist lunatic KKK member redneck chickenhawk because you are a right wing racist lunatic KKK member redneck chickenhawk.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:27 pmBeats me why any of you is engaging with American Peehead. Flag and move on.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:27 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says:
Another genius Republican senator was on MSNBC yesterday and said that Iranians don’t even remember or care about the 1953 American led coup against the democratically-elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddeq and put the Shah in power.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Just like we don’t remember Pearl Harbor, right? :-D
June 19th, 2009 at 12:28 pmUncle Fester Lurks Says:
The FACT is Kim Jung Il is thumbing his nose at the USA because thanks to Bushco, he knows we are stuck in two perpetual wars with our military stretched dangerously thin. It wouldn’t surprise me if Jung Il is getting the green light to taunt and threaten the USA from China or Russia.
And it was during the Bush rein of terror that N. Korea developed their nuclear weapons. They had none before Bush took office. I imagine calling N. Korea an “axis of evil” might have been a clue to N. Korea that maybe they needed to do something to arm themselves to prevent an invasion by the USA.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:29 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
What makes me think that if President Obama had taken a hard line with Iran that the Republics would be criticizing him for it?
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That’s a no brainer. Like I said, so much for supporting your President during a time of war. Remember all of the protests and whine fests from the likes of Hannity, Rush and members of the republican party whenever anyone dared question Bush? How we all must support our president during a time of war. My how the right conveniently forget what they once preached.
Jong is much like our Kerkos, I sya the more we ignore his coniption fits the more he becomes Chinas or Russias problem.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:31 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
American Patriot Says:
two “needless” wars
So AP, were you out there protesting the two needless wars? Or did they become needless once Obama took office?
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Bingo!
That’s the hypocrisy and double standard of the right at it’s best! Great response BHB!!!
June 19th, 2009 at 12:32 pmHow ironic is it that some knuckle dragging neanderthal from the right calls himself “American Patriot” yet he doesn’t support our President. He hopes our President and our country fails. Wants us to meddle in another countries affairs which could backfire and do more harm and create more enemies and hatred for our country….yeah, in your delusional, uninformed mind, you really are an American Patriot. *rolling eyes*
June 19th, 2009 at 12:35 pmThe warmongers have no problem starting wars to feed the military industrial machine but heaven forbid our citizens can have access to affordable health care coverage.
Also, all this belligerent talk = compensating for something?
And yes, that is a rhetorical question.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:38 pmZooey Says:
Doodlebug Shayne Says:
Another genius Republican senator was on MSNBC yesterday and said that Iranians don’t even remember or care about the 1953 American led coup against the democratically-elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddeq and put the Shah in power.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Just like we don’t remember Pearl Harbor, right? :-D
My understanding is that there are still a few people upset about the outcome of our little Civil War as well.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:39 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Fester, I question our president too. Except when I do it, im branded a right wing racist lunatic KKK member redneck chickenhawk. You see the double standard?
No, you make racist comments about our president. Then you go and lick your mommy’s wound.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:44 pmI see my match making efforts are starting to pay off.
Jeffy Bovine and Jjjjimmmeh Loves Big Bovines are starting to sniff each others rears. Both bob their tails teasing each other.
Jeffy Bovine, could you correct the barn address for your registry?
June 19th, 2009 at 12:45 pmWill you self loathing closet homos be wearing matching diapers?
Not sure if this on topic or not, but from NBC News Service:
On Thursday, the independent International Crisis Group said the North is believed to have between 2,500 and 5,000 tons of chemical weapons, including mustard gas, phosgene, blood agents and sarin. These weapons can be delivered with ballistic missiles and long-range artillery and are “sufficient to inflict massive civilian casualties on South Korea.”
Now, we can certainly conclude that this stockpiling of Weapons of Mass Destruction did not start in January, the minute PRESIDENT Obama took office.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:45 pmNope.
Too hard to produce that amount in such a short time. More than likely, production started around the infamous Axis of Evil speech 6 years ago.
But wait! What did our “fearless” leader, who so kept us and the world safe, do?
Why start a war with a country that had NO WMD!!!
I will tear a page right out of the CONservatives handbook, and squarely put the blame of North Korea’s threat on President George W Bush!
Unfortunately, PRESIDENT Obama has to clean up another of Heir Dubya’s fcked up mess!
American Patriot Says:
Jimmy Big Bucks Says:
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Fester, I question our president too. Except when I do it, im branded a right wing racist lunatic KKK member redneck chickenhawk. You see the double standard?
That’s SOP around here.
Yeah, these patriots are standing up for truth justice and the american way in the face of an unrelenting rain of abuse and physical danger. That’s why the Iranians are out protesting in the streets: they’re calling for Aminijhdad to support the freedom fighters in America…
June 19th, 2009 at 12:47 pmPence needs to brush up on the Constitution which provides that the President is charged with the duty to conduct foreign relations. The Dems should block the resolution.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:52 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
What makes me think that if President Obama had taken a hard line with Iran that the Republics would be criticizing him for it?
Of course. All they’re concerned with here is their own short-term advantage.
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Xisithrus Says:
Jong is much like our Kerkos, I sya the more we ignore his coniption fits the more he becomes Chinas or Russias problem.
Ignoring him is when he starts doing things like turn on reactors or lob test missiles. It’s a cry for attention. Whenever they’ve received diplomatic attention, they temporarily turn reasonable. As much as I hate to reward bad behavior, the fact remains that NK is important, and we should be engaged with them.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:54 pmpags2 Says:
Pence needs to brush up on the Constitution which provides that the President is charged with the duty to conduct foreign relations. The Dems should block the resolution.
They didn’t. All but one voted for it. But, the resolution didn’t say anything that President Obama has already said so I don’t see it as a really big deal. All it did was condemn the government of Iran for perpetuating violence on the protesters.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:58 pmWhen PENCE is seen as the “meddling” US gov’t talking head on Iranian TV, maybe then he will consider that his rhetoric was not well thought out.
He has certainly not earned any respect by anyone who has more than 3 brain cells.
There should come a point in time in which the GOP need to start acting like adults, but each time they go out and decide that they can govern this country by using FOX as their pulpit, they loose any respectability they may have previously earned. It is shameful and an affront to all the common decency that once made us a nation in which we were all pround. The GOP with their talking heads, pundits and commentators seem bent on destroying this country from the inside. Very sad.
June 19th, 2009 at 1:15 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
June 19th, 2009 at 1:20 pmI say we liberate the people of iran and take out akmed.
How sad, another Child Left Behind…
I didn’t see any such resolution after the Algerian elections, the Malawi elections, or the elections in South Ossetia.
Are some democracies more important than others? So much for “universal rights”.
June 19th, 2009 at 1:32 pmjohnny dol1ar Says:
Bob and Johhny say hello!
June 19th, 2009 at 1:35 pmA fine job he’s doin, NOT!
June 19th, 2009 at 2:15 pmAmerican Patriot Says:
A fine job he’s doin, NOT!
As demonstrated by the multiple Iranian bomb attacks in the USA these past few months, right?
June 19th, 2009 at 4:31 pmWhere were these Republicans in 2000?
June 19th, 2009 at 8:37 pmSince Pence and republican had their little divisive non binding resolution (meaningless) vote.
How about a Democratic party member putting forth a non binding resolution on Obama is a legal U.S. born citizen.
Put these Gop’ers on the spot in front of their rabid dittohead supporters that really believe the propaganda the GOP’ers propagate.
Force the Obama is American born resolution and display the GOP’ers one the truth to end the propaganda they enable.
June 19th, 2009 at 10:56 pmAmerican Parrot. A standout among the stupidest most vile trolls. Taking stupid to a level that is almost an artform. A pathetic piece of human debris.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:17 pmThank you..
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