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My father is a physisian and he used to rail against the idea of “socialized medicine.” Since then he quit as a partner in his practice because the rest of them were so greedy in a health care system that does not de-incentivize greed. He now believes that the system, in general, has lost its some of its free-market priviledges (couldn’t handle the immense responsibility it has in a capatalist system) and some form of national plan is needed.

My biggest question is why, at the very least, are we not enlightened enough to offer universal coverage to pregnant women and children? Oh yeah, that would require a long-term view of the issue. Again, capitalism isn’t necessarily interested in the long-run, as has become apparent in the financial crisis.

Some like to say that without capitalism we will stifle the innovation that comes from the competitive nature of capitalism. To that I simply say: I would trade some of the innovation for more compassion. And to be honest if a national plan keeps some greedy people from the medical field I say: Great!

This debate makes me realize how ignorant and unkind we can be as a nation.

Anyone as stupid and pathetic as you should just kill themselves out of respect for the rest of the world

Let’s see: the Dems are being pounded for proposing one trillion dollars over 10 years and the Republican Chairman’s alternative is to propose a trillion dollars over the next 3 years.

Chairman Steele: Are you missing something here? Duh!

Sir! You have made your point.

But you guys just sit there and refuse even to test it. That’s neither rational nor fair.

But you don’t argue from pragmatism. You argue from ideology. You’re not interestted in finding the best solution_ you’re interested in vindicating capitalism. You’d rather see a miserable capitalism system than a successful sociaiist one.

It’s like wanting Obama to fail. If you were assured of your ideology, you’d be sitting back and comfortably pointing out that Obama will inevitably fail. You can sit back and munch your popcorn. If you know for sure that socialized medicine will be a disaster, then you sit back and watch Patton over and over again. and you’ll waltz into thw 2012 election.

But deep down you don’t believe it, do you. Your fear is not a nightmarish health system, but one that works. You’re scared that it will be fine and people will like it, and then the world will be that much less like a Heinlein novel.

The government beat the Nazis and Imperial Japan. It developed the atomic bomb and took us to the moon. It built the Golden Gate Bridge, the Interstate Highway System, and the Internet. To be sure, it also developed the Bradley Fighting vehicle, bad schools and a miserable Post Office full of psychos.

It’s entirely possible that national health care will be a disaster. If it turns out that way, you’re back in power. And if socialism is proven not to work, you really should be able to sit back and let us hand it back to you.

So why are you upset?

Health Care?????????? Bring it on Steele, I’d like to move on with my life!

No need to waste time with American Parrot. He probably stole that entire paragraph from someone else :)

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The something he’s missing is the part where I go into debt if our provider’s medical advisor decides to deny coverage.

good comments.

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Gee, Mister Steele…maybe what you’re missing is the fact that some of the people whom the Republicans so eager to defend (like, say, the insurance companies) are some of the very same people who are making this process so “complicated” and so difficult that it’s preventing some people — an increasing number of people! — from receiving even basic healthcare. It’s not that hard — or at least, it shouldn’t be — to see that many insurance companies are starting to care far more about the bottom line than they do about the health and well-being of their customers.

For that matter, if the insurance companies are concerned about costs, why don’t they take at least some of their concerns up with the people who are in part responsible for these costs — namely, the physicians? The physicians are the ones who make the diagnoses and write the prescriptions, after all — and unfortunately, there are a good many Americans still operating under the antiquated assumption that physicians belong to that class of people whose judgment should never be questioned and whose word is law.

In fact, there are moments when one is almost inclined to wonder if perhaps there might even a conspiracy between the physicians and the insurance companies to bleed the American public dry. The insurance companies are charging more and more money for less and less coverage, while the physicians are coming up with all kinds of new diseases and disorders which they then have to treat with all kinds of medications and procedures. Some of these the insurance companies decide not to cover, meaning that the entire cost (which is almost always exhorbitant) has to come entirely from the patient’s own pocket — provided, of course, that they have the money to pay for it in the first place.

One of the factors which also makes this process more “complicated” is an unfortunate consequence of modern healthcare. We’re able to keep many people alive who might have otherwise died or died sooner, which in some ways is a good thing — but (and I realize that I may get verbally eviscerated for saying this) it also has some inevitable negative side effects, such as people passing certain congenital conditions or predispositions to their offspring when they otherwise might not have lived long enough to have children. I’m not suggesting that such people should be allowed to die or that they shouldn’t have children, since that’s when the subject of eugenics raises its hideous head…but it doesn’t change the fact that this is just one of the factors which inevitably make the issue of healthcare much more “complicated” than Steele’s simplistic (and frankly, rather flippant) comment would suggest.

“Am I missing something?” You betcha, Steele…this plus a whole lot more.

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Gee, Mister Steele…maybe what you’re missing is the fact that some of the people whom you’re so eager to defend (like, say, the insurance companies) are some of the very same people who are making this process so “complicated” and so difficult that it’s preventing some people — an increasing number of people! — from receiving even basic healthcare. It’s not that hard — or at least, it shouldn’t be — to see that many insurance companies are starting to care far more about the bottom line than they do about the health and well-being of their customers.

For that matter, if the insurance companies are concerned about costs, why don’t they take at least some of their concerns up with the people who are in part responsible for these costs — namely, the physicians? The physicians are the ones who make the diagnoses and write the prescriptions, after all — and unfortunately, there are still a good many Americans still operating under the antiquated assumption that physicians belong to that class of people whose judgment should never be questioned.

In fact, there are moments when one is almost inclined to wonder if perhaps there might even a conspiracy between the physicians and the insurance companies to bleed the American public dry. The insurance companies are charging more and more money for less and less coverage, while the physicians are coming up with all kinds of new diseases and disorders which they then have to treat with all kinds of medications and procedures. Some of these the insurance companies decide not to cover, meaning that the entire cost (which is almost always considerable) has to come entirely from the patient’s own pocket — provided, of course, that they have the money to pay for it in the first place.

One of the factors which also makes this process more “complicated” is an unfortunate consequence of modern healthcare. We’re able to keep many people alive who might have otherwise died or died sooner, which in some ways is a good thing — but (and I realize that I may get verbally eviscerated for saying this) it also has some inevitable negative side effects, such as people with certain congenital conditions or predispositions which they pass to their offspring when they might not have had the opportunity to do so otherwise. I’m not suggesting that such people should be allowed to die or that they shouldn’t have children, since that’s when the subject of eugenics raises its hideous head…but it doesn’t change the fact that this is just one of the factors which inevitably make the issue of healthcare much more “complicated” than Steele’s simplistic (and rather flippant) comment would suggest.

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Jeezus, what a loser.

The doggie is smarter than he is.