Steele Calls Obama A ‘Liar,’ Then Apologizes, Then Denies He Apologized
Steele Calls Obama A ‘Liar,’ Then Apologizes, Then Denies He Apologized
Yesterday morning, RNC Chairman Michael Steele hosted Bill Bennett’s radio show, where he fearmongered about a non-existent “health police” and advised that President Obama simply “do the deal” to fix health care. He also called the president a “liar” for pledging to fix health care without deepening the national debt:
OBAMA [audiotape]: I’ve made a firm commitment that health care reform will not add to the federal budget deficit over the next decade.
STEELE: [shouting] LIAR! Sorry, I had to get that off my chest. We need to stand up and say this. Come on!
During the commercial break, Steele seemed to realize calling the president a “liar” was bad form. About five minutes later, he backed off his statements, seemingly apologizing for going “a little strong” against Obama:
STEEEL: I get hotheaded from time to time, so I just want to let folks know that in the last segment, I went a little strong in my response to the president’s comment, and I don’t want to go there. Because that’s not what this is about. … For all those folks out there who want to go start blogging, uh, just calm it down, you know. RNC chairman’s not trying to be crazy first thing in the morning.
Steele avoided name-calling for the next hour. But when a caller scolded him for “apologizing” to the president, Steele insisted he had never apologized, and declared that he was “not backing off”:
CALLER: Well I’ve been listening to you, and earlier you called the president a liar, and I said, Yeah, he’s finally got there! He’s finally decided to tell them how it is! And then you apologized —
STEELE: No I didn’t apologize! … Look, I’ve got to be mindful of my, quote, position and so forth. I always took great offense to the fact that the Democrats disparaged President Bush. They disrespected the man, and they disrespected the office that the man held. And I’ve said from the beginning of my chairmanship that we did not want to do that. … I’m not backing off of the fact that I think there’s a lot of misdirection, and there’s not a whole lot of honesty that’s being laid out there for the American people.
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So is Steele apologizing for calling Obama a liar? Or is he “not backing off” his name-calling — name-calling that, he said, “disrespected” the president and “the office that the man held”?
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“RNC chairman’s not trying to be crazy first thing in the morning.”
No, it come naturally all day long…….
June 20th, 2009 at 9:08 am“RNC chairman’s not trying to be crazy first thing in the morning.”
bitblt?
June 20th, 2009 at 9:10 am“RNC chairman’s not trying to be crazy first thing in the morning.”
Illeism much Steele?
June 20th, 2009 at 9:24 amReferring to oneself in the 3rd party is usually a sign of Borderline Personality Disorder.
But obama is a liar…
He sold us out on healthcare, exploiting the issue in debates with mccain and telling us “yes we can”.
Quietly, right now, the public option is quietly being removed and so has the idea of universal coverage.
Course you would never know if you thought TP was a legitimate source of progressive news. Instead, it has degraded into a circus of distractions – 24/7 idiotry all about what the latests discredited lying liar has to say.
In this case – steele my be a dishonest jerk, but he is right.
OBAMA IS A LIAR! But for some reason, progressive ISSUES are no longer welcome at TP, only the media circus.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:26 amAnother Liar pipes up first thing in the morning…
June 20th, 2009 at 9:27 amSounds to me that Steele should actually be advocating better coverage for mental disorders. Or his family should be advocating this ( along with trying to get him committed. )
June 20th, 2009 at 9:27 amThe way I’m reading and listening to it…Steele didn’t apologize for calling the President a liar. He just apologized for being so “strong” about it. Hence, the backtracking.
Still, I have the idea that Steele should not consider himself a media personality, but someone who should be known for his policy.
If you’re going to host a show, Mr. Chairman, then you need to have your words held to the fire, and I don’t think you THINK about what you’re saying.
The RNC and conservative movement are being led by radio hosts. Pitiful.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:32 amsteele is an anchor on a sinking ship.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:33 amI agree, Purple State, there was no real apology.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:37 amSteele is just trying to compete with Rush.
Bobwurst Says:
steele is an anchor on a sinking ship.
I see him more as the guy with a drill creating more holes thinking it will let the water back out of the ship.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:37 amUh oh! Someone’s not been taking his medication again.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:37 amBlessed be the name of the Lord for all of his wondrous works, and praise the lord to all. Steele does have a point. How can you decrease our deficit (spending) when the Government is expected to take care of the populist? That is an outright lie told by the Great O’Barry. Of course, he continues to perpetuate the truth because he has many supporters who cannot think independently. If the Great O’Barry said that 9/11 was an inside job, you guys would believe it. Also, my heard earned tax dollars should not fund health care for America. Most of your health issues would be resolved through cardio and a good diet. The problem is most of you are fat (many chins). Obesity leads to health problems. Stop blaming the Government and get on a treadmill.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:40 amA sinking ship is bad enough but a skipperless ship taking on water is a real problem. No about this third person voice thing. dbadass wishes bitblt would explain the allure…
June 20th, 2009 at 9:42 amAnother Joe Says:
OBAMA IS A LIAR!
OY, you used all caps, so it must be true. 8P
June 20th, 2009 at 9:42 amMichael Steele is an a$$hole, how’s that Michael? Fair enough?
June 20th, 2009 at 9:45 amMichael Steele was the perfect pick. He is the personification of the Republican party.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:45 amcookedtothegills Sez: “How can you decrease our deficit (spending) when the Government is expected to take care of the populist?”
Shouldn’t be too expensive to take care of just one person, Daryll….
To answer your question, the USA could stop manufacturing armaments and weapons and sending them across the world to kill the populace.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:46 amMeanwhile, the republicans continue to block progress no matter what Michael Steele is saying!
June 20th, 2009 at 9:46 amlooktothehills Says:
Oh, goody, the self professed prophet, Daryll of Fruity Loops, is here to share his crazy with all of us this sunny morning.
What other gems of profound nuttiness do you have for us today, Daryll?
June 20th, 2009 at 9:46 amI am a little confused by the use of the word “us”.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:48 amThat is an outright lie told by the Great O’Barry. Of course, he continues to perpetuate the truth
June 20th, 2009 at 9:49 am—-
I also am have a hard time discerning whether it is a lie or the truth
Ode to Daryll…
The Hoard is in my Cupboard; I shall not want.
It maketh me to lie down in dark alleys:
It leadeth me beside the ATM machine.
It vanquishes my soul:
It leadeth me in the paths of corruption for it’s increase sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of poverty,
I will give no assistance: For it is all mine;
Thy safe and thy cash register, they comfort me.
It preparest a corporate boardroom table before me in the presence of mine henchmen;
Thou annointest my head with dollars; My account runneth over.
Surely greed and avarice shall follow me all the days of my life,
June 20th, 2009 at 10:00 amand I will dwell in the Bank of the America forever.
Here’s the whole idea about “lies” with this issue of health care.
When a proposal is brought before you at work, what is the reaction? If someone says that they are committed to something, but there is doubt in that commitment, I would treat the situation with skepticism, as I am treating the health-care debate, but to come out and yell “LIAR!” at someone…that shows that there is absolutely no trust in someone.
To jump at the bit and blame the President of being a liar…about what? He’s lying that he’s not committed? There’s a difference between attempting something (as Obama is trying to do) and assuring the American people that it will work (as Steele is imagining).
Here’s a thought, Steele; give us your OWN proposal.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:14 amlooktotheshill Says:
“The problem is most of you are fat (many chins). Obesity leads to health problems. Stop blaming the Government and get on a treadmill.”
better not let tub-o-lard limpballs here that or he’ll sit on you and do bouncy-bouncy on you like he did at CPAC
June 20th, 2009 at 10:17 amWhen will TP realize that he said/she said is not news that helps us make important decisions about our lives?
June 20th, 2009 at 10:24 amLTTH:
What the heck is “my heard earned tax dollars” ??
You know they have a preview function, don’t you?
June 20th, 2009 at 10:26 amI wonder which mass communication outlet is responible for that. Can you please note any you feel do in a way which is acceptable to you.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:26 amThanks
BREAKING NEWS FLASH
LYING LIAR TELLS LIE!!!!!!!
shhhhhhhh…. obama and the dems are selling you out on healthcare reform – billions for war, banks, auto manufacturers, and the military-industrial complex…
no healthcare for you though… shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
BREAKING NEWS FLASH: A WIDELY DISCREDITED LYING LIAR TELLS ANOTHER LIE!!!!!!!
Please be sure to check back at TP soon for more irrelevant noise and distractions!
June 20th, 2009 at 10:29 amMan of Steele: I always took great offense to the fact that the Democrats disparaged President Bush. They disrespected the man, and they disrespected the office that the man held.
Democrats disrespected the man, based largely on his actions and policies, but they did NOT “disrespect the office that the man held”.
Bush was responsible for that.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:29 amWhat other gems of profound nuttiness do you have for us today, Daryll?
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June 20th, 2009 at 10:29 amI thought it was Darryl? Can we get a ruling on this? Oh nevermind just as long as he lifts me up before he go goes….
and the cancervative’s health care proposal is what? giving eveyone two grand in an account in which to purchase health care insurance. good luck finding health care insurance for that price but no one will call them on it.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:30 amDaryll, you better hope Rush doesn’t hear your blasphemy. According to your boss, the problem is not fat people; it’s the exercise freaks. They’re the ones who are “taxing the health care system”.
You wingnuts really need to get on the same page.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:32 amPurple State – you have no real idea or insight as to what obama is doing to create meaningful change – all we have is their results.
Make up all the excuses you like – its just all hot air and doesn’t matter.
He won the election with the highest approval rating in decades and there was a time to “rally the troops” and get this going.
He could “out” the dems that are obstructing – the repugs simply don’t matter.
America overwhelmingly wants this – they have backed down. Yes – the buck stops in the White House. If he ain’t out doin’ it, it ain’t gonna happen.
But he sure talked a good game when he needed progressive/liberal votes.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:32 amAnother Woe Says: “Please be sure to check back at TP soon for more irrelevant noise and distractions!”
Will you be gone long?
June 20th, 2009 at 10:32 amdbadass, I understand that it is spelled “Daryll” with a double “L” rather than with a double “r”. I know how important people’s names are to you (as they should be) so let’s hope our friend can confirm either way.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:33 amSeems Another Joe really thought he was the messiah…
June 20th, 2009 at 10:34 am“Take your eye off the ball!”
Follow the backwash 24/7 at NEW AND IMPROVED TP!!!!!!!
Wait…. I heard that “take your eye off the ball line last fall.:
THAT’S RIGHT – OBAMA USED IT AGAINST MCLAME IN THE DEBATES!!!!!
How soon some forget.
NEW AND IMPROVED – 24/7 BACKWASH COVERAGE AT TP!
June 20th, 2009 at 10:39 amI work with this dude that pisses and moans all the time. Nobody likes him mostly because he pisses and moans all the time. I encourage him to stop pissing and moaning but it seems he can’t…
June 20th, 2009 at 10:42 amdbadass,
Looktothehills is the troll known as Daryll to the best of my recollection. He always links back to the Truth of God website so his trail isn’t hard to follow.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:43 amSteele is such a confused moron – he doesn’t know what he’s talking about morning, noon or night!
One thing that has been exposed is how Republicans are EXTREMELY obstructionist on everything. By making healthcare reform a bipartisan effort, I think Obama’s intention is to expose the GOPers and DINOs that couldn’t care less about American’s health or financial woes.
Thanks for the laughs kooktothehills/brothabill.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:43 amlooktothehills Says:
Also, my heard earned tax dollars should not fund health care for America. Most of your health issues would be resolved through cardio and a good diet. The problem is most of you are fat (many chins). Obesity leads to health problems. Stop blaming the Government and get on a treadmill.
You really need to get in sync with your inner Limbaugh here.
You’re telling us that it is the fat and unhealthy Americans that are taxing health care, correct? I would totally agree with you that it is our personal responsibility to keep ourselves in shape and that we should find time for that in our busy daily schedule.
But Rush is blaming those who are exercising.
So which is it, LTTH? Is it the overweight who are hurting the health care system, or those who are perfectly fit?
June 20th, 2009 at 10:43 amLooks like Another Troll got a real fresh batch of meth today, and his caps lock key is acting up on him. /snicker
June 20th, 2009 at 10:44 amHas daryll adopted the hit-and-run trolling tactics of the late Troll John Kerry?
He doesn’t seem willing to stick around and defend his views anymore, even when I restrain myself from asking about the time he claimed that the Bible says “an idle mind is the devil’s playground”.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:45 amralph the wonder locust Says:
Has daryll adopted the hit-and-run trolling tactics of the late Troll John Kerry?
He has been a bit of a coward lately, hasn’t he?
June 20th, 2009 at 10:46 amAnother Joe the battle is not over on healthcare reform. Calm down, Obama is not superhuman or a messiah. Did you call your state senators and your rep? I hope you’ve been doing more than just complaining. Seems you’ve taken your eye off the ball.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:48 amSteele, Limbaugh, Cheney, Coulter, Gingrich, etc.
Few things give me more confidence in our President than observing the sleazy character of his most vocal detractors.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:50 amMaybe if I offer up some grub the D-man will stick around. I have a bunch of lamb chops, some wild caught fresh Georgia shrimp, a bit of mahi, and a big box of jujyfruits.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:50 amDid make calls – “eye off ball” is 24/7 blogging about irrelevant hacks and not having a dialog on how to hold the politicians that actually could do something accountable.
But feel free to disagree.
AND ENJOY YOUR 24/7 IRRELEVANT BACKWASH COVERAGE!!!!! TP will be posting more on the widely discredited powerless lying liars to distract you soon!
NEW AND IMPROVED – ALL BACKWASH ALL THE TIME!
June 20th, 2009 at 10:51 amTP,
It’s the weekend. Why not throw up an Open Thread? What’s the harm? It’s not like this is some idea you’ve never heard of before. It’s not like none of the other sites do it. Just put up an open thread so that dialog does not devolve into attacks on things that have nothing to do with the topic under discussion. Thanking you in advance for putting up an Open Thread. (Remember, it’s the Daily Open Thread – ThinkDOT.)
June 20th, 2009 at 10:51 amWayne – doesn’t suit their purpose. Better to have “non-topics” about marginalized wingnuts.
Can’t have a real dialog about issues and politicians that actually matter you know…
June 20th, 2009 at 10:53 amralph the wonder locust Says:
dbadass, I understand that it is spelled “Daryll” with a double “L” rather than with a double “r”. I know how important people’s names are to you (as they should be) so let’s hope our friend can confirm either way.
Just, whatever you do, don’t call him “Liz”.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:53 amAnother Joe:
June 20th, 2009 at 10:54 amPlease tell me your initilas aren’t M.B. That is the dude I work with…
Every day it becomes more abundantly clear that Mr. Steele is the perfect choice to be the Chair of the Repignican National Committee. He never has his facts in order; he has an IQ slightly greater than a cucumber; shoots off his mouth at the slightest provocation; uses fear rather than logic to get his points across; and he could sit there with a huge steaming pile of dog Cheney on his face and tell everyone around him that there was no huge steaming pile of dog Cheney anywhere near him. These characteristics seem to sum up the mentality and the functionality of the contemporary Repignofascist Party. Mr. Steele you have arrived. Please be sure you stay in office until the 2012 re-election of Barack. We will certainly appreciate all the votes your idiocy will steer to the Democrats.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:59 amAnother Joe — we get it. You’re disappointed in the President.
Message received.
Move on.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:03 amralph @ 57
Obama’s in the driver’s seat, and Another Joe is sitting in
the back yelling
Are we there yet?
June 20th, 2009 at 11:09 amAre we there yet?
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Another Joe Says:
NEW AND IMPROVED – ALL BACKWASH ALL THE TIME!
I agree your posts are all backwash all the time, but they are hardly new and improved.
Maybe if you can provide some links to your arguments and try to discuss them, you might find some of us are not blind followers of anyone, Obama included. But if you insist on posting pure nuttiness, well then we can only assume you are like most of the trolls that come here and that you are well… just nuts.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:11 amLet’s see.. what was Dufous doing at about this point in his first term… perch fishing in Crawford I believe… or was he clearing brush?
June 20th, 2009 at 11:13 amThey disrespected the man, and they disrespected the office that the man held. And I’ve said from the beginning of my chairmanship that we did not want to do that.
Disingenuous much Steele? Michael Steele has done nothing but diss and disrespect President Obama since he has been the RNC Chair.
He should also explain how President Obama is a liar. He said he would not increase the national deficit in the next decade with health care reform. Since there is no firm plan in place and no budget estimates on what it will cost and how it will be paid for, I guess I don’t see how President Obama could be a liar on this subject.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:15 am“I didn’t apologize!” – one of the Repubs most used slogans.
And when will any Repubs admit to the lies of Bush/Cheney, who lied to start a war & cause the deaths of many Americans, & 100s of thousands of innocent Iraqis. The biggest, deadliest lies I can ever remember.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:16 amtest comment
June 20th, 2009 at 11:16 amyou passed 5th!
June 20th, 2009 at 11:18 amSteele is as irrelevant as the GOP. They just can’t accept their role of loser. They have lost the last two general elections, have not ideas, have no leadership, and they are an insignificant minority. Someone tell them to turn out the lights when they are finished.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:19 amAnother Joe
You want progressive issues?
Health insurance reform. Tax reform. Unionization. Equality for Gays. Ending warrantless domestic spying. Public funding of elections. Energy efficiency. The restoration of habeas corpus and a speedy trial. Equal pay for women, The maintenance of legal abortions. The de-politicization of the DOJ. The end of the Iraq occupation. Good faith diplomacy instead of bullying. Responsibility for the environment, Worker safety. Food safety. The separation of Church and State. Sex education. Rational education. Affordable higher education. Child care assistance. A mixed economy. Corporate accountability.
Have all these issues NOT been covered by TP and The Wonk Room before? Are they not covered now?
If you want a blog that exactly reflects your own specific concerns and opinions and choice of news and issues each and every day, exactly when YOU want it, then start your own damn blog.
Otherwise stop acting like you are the only “real” progressive and that your opinions and judgments are the only valid ones.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:19 amAnother Joe Says:
OBAMA IS A LIAR! But for some reason, progressive ISSUES are no longer welcome at TP, only the media circus.
President Obama has said time and time again that he is firmly behind a public option for health care. What is happening right now is in the Senate where the bought and paid for Senators are trying to torpedo a public option.
On the other hand, the House is behind a public option for health care. I am quite sure that Obama is working behind the scenes to pressure the Democratic Senators to support a public plan. So, I guess I don’t see where President Obama is a liar since legislation is created in Congress, it is not created by the President.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:22 amIsn’t it true that this $1 Trillion price tag on healthcare over the next ten years DOES NOT include public administration like Medicare, but increasing coverage through private means?
Like I’ve been saying for the past 13 years, single-payer would save us $350 billion per year at the same time it covers the 47 million uninsured.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:23 amfinally, SOMEone in the MSM is saying it:
Obama may need firmer hand on health care debate
By CHARLES BABINGTON – 1 hour ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama is seeing the downside of his light touch on revamping the nation’s health care system.
Congressional Democrats are off to a halting start, blindsided by a high cost estimate and divided over how to proceed. The confusion has emboldened Republican critics of the administration’s approach to its top domestic priority.
While too early to rule out eventual success, it seems Obama will have to be more forceful and hands-on.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:33 am[...]
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hITfom2rwHxvzXH9fMrN4pOUGrqQD98UETH01
Steele took great offense when the democrats disrespected Bush. Well, the idiot deserves all the disrespect from every american. Lying idiot freak that misled the whole country into and endless criminal war, trashed our economy and our future. Bush is the scum of the earth! We’re stuck in this rut because of the idiot that ruined everything with his criminal war, inside jobs, and dubious stolen elections.
Steele, you are jealous Obama is President and you’re not! Get over it!
June 20th, 2009 at 11:37 amThese Senators (from either party) who oppose reforming our health care system need to be called out publicly as the bought-and-paid-for stooges of the health care industry that they are. I am still hearing some of them say we have the “best” health care system in the world. The only possible way that might be true is if you measure “best” by how profitable it is (on the demented theory that the “best” is the most profitable.) Call them out. Point out who opposes doing anything and then note how much money they get from the health care industry. We all know that huge contributors to politicians get their opinions listened to more than you or I would. Sure, they say they don’t do that, and there’s the old joke that “If you can’t take their money and vote against them anyway, you’re in the wrong business.” Well, if Senators oppose reforming health care in this country at the request of the health care industry, they don’t belong in the US Senate.
To the US Senate,
A reminder. You are there to serve us, not your corporate sponsors. If you believe that you can’t get re-elected without their money, then you were never there to work on our behalf in the first place. Prove me wrong. Support the president’s efforts to give the American people what they need.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:42 amDo the people who say that the president’s health care plans would “cost too much” believe that costs will never come down? Do they think that Billy Tauzin’s gift the BigPharma, where he made it a law that the federal government could not negotiate for lower drug prices, is somehow permanent? Repealing that alone would drive down costs. Then there’s the power of guilt. Point out that the huge profits being taken are at the expense of the sick and dying. What kind of inhuman bastard thinks it’s okay to profit off the problems of the sick and dying?
June 20th, 2009 at 11:46 amWayne A. Schneider Says: “What kind of inhuman bastard(s) think it’s okay to profit off the problems of the sick and dying?”
The corporate executive board members of the health care industry…
June 20th, 2009 at 11:49 amThis alone is a singularly ignorant statement. Who is the lone champion who is currently pushing for health care to be changed? Obama is the answer. This dialect would not be happening if not for Obama.
Will it be all that we want? Probably not, it’s a political football. Is it front and center with Americans right now, yes and it’s all because of Obama.
You need to adjust your meds before you post joe. I always thought you were just on the border of running off the rails but your posts of late have confirmed it.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:50 amDidn’t President Bush already give us healthcare with a public option during his 8 years in office?
(Bangs head aganst wall)—-Oh, now I remember! He hid the healthcare $ in the supplemental budgets for Iraq and Afghanistan.
If Bush had spent 1/100 of his time in office working on behalf of the people instead of lying to our citizens and pursuing a personal agenda focused on world domination, Obama wouldn’t have to fix this and the rest of the problems Bush refused to address. He found @900 days to bicycle, cut brush, hang out at Camp David, look for a new house in Dallas, etc.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Silly Michael, you should have known that being on wingnut radio , (Bennett’s show no less ) you can call Obama every
despicable name in the book, and the 23%ers will love you.
What were you thinking ?
June 20th, 2009 at 11:54 amtest:
analyze, analysis. analytical
June 20th, 2009 at 11:54 amLooking for an analogy?
June 20th, 2009 at 11:57 am;)
OKAY!
After (6?) months of complaining about the filtering of analysis etc, TP correcte the issue.
However. the new secret word of naughtiness appears to be:
b i t c h i n g.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:58 amBREAKING NEW!!!!!!
TP has learned that scooter libby,in a drunken stupor at a local Mexican restaurant over a pitcher of margaritas, stated, “That damn Valerie Plame…”
And then passed out in mid-sentence. Restaurant personal carried libby out of the eating establishment and left him in his car to “sleep it off”.
The remaining pitcher of margaritas was saved for resale to other more sober patrons.
Check back, TP will have a full post and discussion of this and all the other irrelevant backwash – anything to prevent progressives from talking about progressive ideas.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:59 amAnother Joe needs to take a chill pill. You don’t know what the President is doing either. He is far more calculating than you give him credit. If you want universal health care with a public plan we are going to have to fight for it. By giving the Congress the opportunity to develop the bill he has exposed where all his opposition is early in the process. Now it is up to us to get to work. He isn’t god he can’t just wave his hand and it is done. I don’t know what some of you people want he has only been in office 150 days, relax and do your part and we will win.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:00 pmummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…
Fred, there is not a dialog now… That is the epitome of stupid comments.
Any number of other candidates in the primary talked about more robust healthcare options. The fact is – obama is now morphing into john mclame’s plan.
Funny how self-proclaimed progressives will “catapult the propaganda” instead of participating in an honest dialog about the real issues that matter to millions of Americans.
Yeah – whether steele tells literal truths all the time…
Oh, and don’t dare talk about a need to organize and have action – that is not what “superblogs” are for.
But I am sure you will tell me all about that, fred.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:02 pmAnother Joe Says:
FLAGGED FOR TROLLING
June 20th, 2009 at 12:02 pmAnother Joe is progressively becoming pathetically petulant.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:02 pmlooktothehills Says:
Steele does have a point. How can you decrease our deficit (spending) when the Government is expected to take care of the populist?
By making all corporations pay their fair share of taxes. By making the rich who hide their money in off-shore tax havens pay their fair share of income tax. By lifting the cap on who pays social security taxes. There are plenty of ways to pay for health care for all Americans.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:03 pmlooktothehills Says:
Steele does have a point. How can you decrease our deficit (spending) when the Government is expected to take care of the populist?
Besides, President Obama didn’t say he would decrease the deficit, he only said he wouldn’t increase the deficit. There’s a big difference, one that your pea brain probably can’t comprehend.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:03 pmYou don’t know what the President is doing either. He is far more calculating than you give him credit.
The fact that NONE of us know what he is doing is the point. Yeah, that “calculating” stuff is getting old…
He “calculated” when he capitulated to dur chimpfurher on FISA.
He “calculated” when he bailed out wall street instead of main street.
He “calculated” when BILLIONS of that economic aide money disappeared down the “memory hole”
He “calculated” when he bailed out GM
He “calculated” when he continued the previous administration’s wars and supports spending billions and billions more
He “calculated” when he took single payer off the table, and is following that by removing public options and now even universal coverage.
And we are not suppose to discuss this becausue, in your opinion, he is still calculating.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:05 pmAnother Joe,,,
After b i t c h i n g about TP’s topic choices from the start, you finally made a substantive criticism on the previous thread at #33 but my response was rejected because of the word b i t c h i n g.
I’d already written an earlier response to an earlier comment of yours, also rejected, and here’s a part of it:
You want progressive issues?
Health insurance reform. Tax reform. Unionization. Equality for Gays. Ending warrantless domestic spying. Public funding of elections. Energy efficiency. The restoration of habeas corpus and a speedy trial. Equal pay for women, The maintenance of legal abortions. The de-politicization of the DOJ. The end of the Iraq occupation. Good faith diplomacy instead of bullying. Responsibility for the environment, Worker safety. Food safety. The separation of Church and State. Sex education. Rational education. Affordable higher education. Child care assistance. A mixed economy. Corporate accountability.
Have all these issues NOT been covered by TP and The Wonk Room before? Are they not covered as news prompts their discussion?
June 20th, 2009 at 12:08 pmFor instance?
You’re the only one catapulting propaganda here.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:12 pmAnother Joe, you should recognize that there are plenty of thoughtful progressives on this forum, ready to engage in reasonable discussion at any time.
The fact that so many of them are now calling you out for obsessive and irrational whining should tell you something.
(Although I suspect all it will tell YOU is that “so-called progressives fear the truth I bring them”. Or something along those lines.)
June 20th, 2009 at 12:16 pmtest…
damn
June 20th, 2009 at 12:16 pmAnother Joe:
June 20th, 2009 at 12:17 pmIt is getting a little tiresome. Is there something you would like us all to say to make your day a little better?
All politicians lie ( except for ron paul ). Bush lied, clinton lied, papa bush lied etc etc. None of them really care about any of you.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:20 pmReferring to ones self in the third person…weird.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:20 pmAnother Joe
If you want a blog that exactly reflects your own specific concerns and opinions and choice of news and issues each and every day, exactly when YOU want it, then start your own damn blog.
Otherwise stop acting like you are the only “real” progressive and that your opinions and judgments are the only valid ones.
So sorry that every single damn one of your particular needs aren’t being met, but there are a lot of other people here who have a lot of reasons to be very impressed with themselves who still manage to stamp their feet, hold their breath or thrash about screaming every time they find fault with TP.
If you’ve been fooled, it’s your own damn fault, because you are apparently too lazy to appreciate that it’s not all about YOU.
If TP is so awful, why don’t you go somewhere else–like The Daily Kos or MyDD? I’m sure they’ll be impressed with what you have to offer.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:22 pmOh yeah, forgot the obama “calculations”:
*back bush administration’s secret government, directly contradicting pledge for “open government”
*continuing darth cheney’s policy of keeping White House logs secret and not subject to FOIA – a move that was unheard of until dur chimpfurher’s reign.
*backing of holding those responsible accountable for their crimes, in fact, he is now protecting them (and he was a constitutional lawyer? WTF?!?!?!?!?!)
*continuing to stonewall public on warrantless spying, picking up the same arguments from previous administration (and he was a constitutional lawyer? WTF?!?!?!?!?!)
Call these “calculations” if you want… Strange use of word though.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:25 pmI’m not backing off of the fact that I think there’s a lot of misdirection, and there’s not a whole lot of honesty that’s being laid out there for the American people.
Yes, Mr. Steele, there is a lot of misdirection. And a great deal of it is coming from the Republicans. On the one hand they tell us that the system isn’t broken, so don’t fix it. That’s “misdirection” right there. Then they claim that the cost is going to be too high. It wouldn’t be if they would recognize that the health care is not like the luxury yacht industry, where you can charge what you want because no one’s life depends on having a yacht. So that’s some misdirection right there, too. And remember, too, that the problem isn’t that health care costs too much, it’s that they charge too much.
If Republicans would stop seeing health care as a for-profit industry, then the solutions will be a lot more obvious. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I do not want to be treated by a doctor who went into medicine for the money.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:25 pmObama has duped the libs
June 20th, 2009 at 12:27 pmMore mindless posts about FAUX news, marginalized pundits, and repugs/wingnuts that even the party-of-no recognizes are not their leaders soon to come.
24/7 distractions and a forum to preach to the choir
June 20th, 2009 at 12:28 pmI haven’t really been following the topic, but scanning down the comments, it appears that “Another Joe” has succeeded in making every other comment on this post a response to him. I think that probably makes him very happy.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:28 pmWayne A. Schneider, it is the DEMS that are quietly taking all provisions for meaningful reform off the table.
Blame the backwash if you like, but that is not what is happening. Its “our guys” that are undermining it.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:28 pmFocusing on the backwash just gives “our guys” cover.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:29 pmAnother Joe Says:
I do not believe for one second that you are one of “our guys”. You are cordially invited go engage in auto-fornication.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:31 pm“Steele Calls Obama A ‘Liar,’ Then Apologizes, Then Denies He Apologized”
And that dats how Mike rolls…. Thanks for Saturday’s posting on the latest from Mike.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:31 pmOutlaw lobbyists
June 20th, 2009 at 12:34 pmHi Jimmy Big Bucks:
June 20th, 2009 at 12:37 pmI don’t think you are real. Are you real Jimmy Big Bucks?
jimmy, I’m a little confused… are you afraid of “big bucks” coming to rape you?
Or do you fantasize about it?
June 20th, 2009 at 12:41 pmAnother Joe Says:
“Focusing on the backwash just gives “our guys” cover.”
It’s probably safe for “you guys” to come out now, Joe.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:42 pmMake sure to flush, and leave the fan on, ok?
Thanx.
5th Estate, b#tch has been a no-no since the primaries when it was being thrown around quite freely.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:43 pmTHE DOOMED REMNANTS OF THE PARTY OF BIGOTRY, GREED, HYPOCRISY AND FAILURE
What’s left of today’s GOP is a genetically and or psychologically deviant mélange of morally and ethically defective mutants, miscreants and kamikaze loyalists who are crashing and burning all things Republican. They are the figurative buzzards and hyenas fighting over the last scraps of a carcass riddled with maggots and festering clumps of putrefied viscera. They are the opportunistic parasites whose very existence is and always has been dependent on sucking blood from the engorged bellies of alpha predators. The prevalence of fear, paranoia and irrational hatred in today’s GOP represents the antemortem gasps of a doomed species struggling to survive in evaporating pools of their own toxic waste as they mercilessly slice and dice one another in futile attempts to become the biggest fish in an increasingly smaller and smaller pond.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:44 pmWith all the progressive blogs available why would a progressive come here and complain about this one?
June 20th, 2009 at 12:46 pm88. Another Joe Says:
You don’t know what the President is doing either. He is far more calculating than you give him credit.
The fact that NONE of us know what he is doing is the point. Yeah, that “calculating” stuff is getting old…
He “calculated” when he capitulated to dur chimpfurher on FISA.
He “calculated” when he bailed out wall street instead of main street.
He “calculated” when BILLIONS of that economic aide money disappeared down the “memory hole”
He “calculated” when he bailed out GM
He “calculated” when he continued the previous administration’s wars and supports spending billions and billions more
He “calculated” when he took single payer off the table, and is following that by removing public options and now even universal coverage.
Spot on.
The Obama “chessmaster” excuse is wearing thin. It points to defenders who have absolutely no explanation as to why Obama is supporting bush’s policies, defending corporate interests and playing his progressive base for fools for believing in his “hope” ad copy.
I am furious that Obama has been given a pass after telecom immunity, Bagram, lack of prosecution of the most horrific president in US history, and now healthcare.
I wanted Kucinich, and Bill Maher is absolutely correct that the dems are the new republican, corporate-defender party. The republicans are bug-eyed religious lunatics and the real progressives and liberals are constantly portrayed as fringe UFO-contacting crackpots,(hmmm, now why would the conservative media want to discredit progressives…hmmm…) despite the fact that a majority of America is in favor of progressive issues and causes.
Obama is not a progressive. Obama is not a liberal. Obama is a corporate-owned entity that just covered up bush’s crimes at least three times and looks to obstruct any substantive investigations into any other aspects of Constitutional violations, aided and abetted by the ’savior dems.’ The same b@stards that took impeachment off the table and gave Cmder. Shortbus everything he wanted.
Everything, meaning our future.
There needs to be a backlash against resistance to prosecutions, resistance to single-payer, and resistance to restoring the rule of law. The longer people wait and peddle this “chessmaster” bongwater, or the “it’s only been a few months” ass-hattery, the less likely that any amount of outcry will produce a result.
Look at how fast the dems panicked when a gay fundraiser started coming unraveled (and how damned fast they offered incentives to the gay community…). That’s an example of the pressure that’s needs to be applied. This “new” administration carries the same stench as the old one, and it’s getting worse.
Read Greenwald and CREW. We are being eviscerated quietly in the glare of a shiny, supposed “victory.”
June 20th, 2009 at 12:46 pmHanshiro/Stateofthedivision/Another Joe – trolls of a different color.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:47 pmHe “calculated” when he continued the previous administration’s wars and supports spending billions and billions more
Why is everyone so mad about this one… do you not understand war? We can’t just decimate a sovereign nation then run away and say “Sorry for the mess!” because people are whining. That makes you more screwed up then you think the President is.
Bush should’ve gone after Al-Qaeda in the first place and that is what the President is doing. It is what he campaigned on or did you only choose to listen to things that made you happy? He promised the American people and our allies that he would go after Al-Qaeda and that’s what he’s doing.
You sound like a whiny little brat Joe. We obviously do not agree with you and you don’t like the content here. Go elsewhere. We’re sick of the whining. It’s been 5 months. He is not the messiah. He will do things you don’t like. TELL HIM if you’re so upset otherwise shut up and let the adults speak.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:49 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says:
Hanshiro/Stateofthedivision/Another Joe – trolls of a different color.
It all sounds like “wah he’s not doing things fast enough” “wah he didn’t do everything I wanted”. Let the name calling begin…
June 20th, 2009 at 12:50 pm114. Doodlebug Shayne Says: Hanshiro/Stateofthedivision/Another Joe – trolls of a different color.
Translation: I can’t defend Obama’s conduct (not that I even knew the extent) so I’ll just shout “troll” rather than confront sourced and substantive evidence.
Coward.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:51 pmDear Mr. Steele,
So, you like name calling?
What do you call an African American who works for, promotes, and defends an organization (the GOP) that promotes racism, bigotry, hatred, and violence toward other African Americans?
June 20th, 2009 at 12:52 pmThat “any number of primary candidates with better ideas on healthcare” would be Kucinich, Nader, and noone else!
June 20th, 2009 at 12:55 pmI’ll make it easy, stinkbug: Explain Obama’s telecom immunity vote.
What’s the excuse?
What’s the excuse for defending bush’s policies in court? Defending DOMA?
Why block access to bush’s emails the first day after Obama was sworn in?? (Seems he made time for obstructing transparency literally from day one…)
What’s the rationale?
June 20th, 2009 at 12:56 pmCan the whiners please identify just one administration in their lives they were satisfied with. I had to be so pragmatic but what the hell sort of sunshine daydream am I suppose to be hoping for?
June 20th, 2009 at 1:01 pmhad = hate
June 20th, 2009 at 1:01 pmYou’re right, hanshiro, Another Joe, etc… you’ve convinced me.
LET’S IMPEACH OBAMA!
You’ve accomplished what you set out to do. Now go mow the lawn.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:02 pmThat “any number of primary candidates with better ideas on healthcare” would be Kucinich, Nader, and noone else!
debateably Edwards
June 20th, 2009 at 1:03 pm121. dbadass Says: Can the whiners please identify just one administration in their lives they were satisfied with. I had to be so pragmatic but what the hell sort of sunshine daydream am I suppose to be hoping for?
Hiding war crimes doesn’t equate to “dissatisfaction.” Restate your question with less strawman…
June 20th, 2009 at 1:04 pmralph, why? It’s not like he got a bj or anything!
June 20th, 2009 at 1:04 pmdbadass Says:
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Can the whiners please identify just one administration in their lives they were satisfied with
reagan
June 20th, 2009 at 1:05 pmHe stated that the bill was so poorly written that it wouldn’t hold up if contested. And at least they’d start using the FISA courts again.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:07 pm123.ralph the wonder locust Says: You’re right, hanshiro, Another Joe, etc… you’ve convinced me. LET’S IMPEACH OBAMA!
Overstating to absurdity means you got nothing.
Pointing out facts will always make the disillusioned angry and reactionary. Just like republicans.
Disappointing, but the behavior that Obama is indulging in remains unaddressed. I guess substantive sourced points will just be met with whiny apologists today, huh?
June 20th, 2009 at 1:07 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
reagan
How old exactly were you when Reagan was president, Jimmy?
June 20th, 2009 at 1:08 pmWould that be the same Reagan that increased unemployment, tripled the deficit, had record bankruptcies, sold massive amounts of weaponry illegally to the terrorist state of Iran, got our troops killed in Lebanon, illegally funded the terrorists known as the Contras who raped, murdered, kidnapped, and brought tons of cocaine into the US?
June 20th, 2009 at 1:09 pmBut Jimmy, I thought you were concerned with the deficit? And higher taxes? Not to mention the whole “dealing with terrorists” thing…
Jimmy, I know you were probably not born yet when reagan was president, but shouldn’t you at least study a little history before you make grand pronouncements like this?
June 20th, 2009 at 1:10 pmBut it’s good to know that Jimmy Likes Big Bucks identifies himself as a “whiner”.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:11 pm128.Doodlebug Shayne Says: He stated that the bill was so poorly written that it wouldn’t hold up if contested. And at least they’d start using the FISA courts again.
This is not answering the question, particularly when Obama swore to oppose any bill with telecom immunity in to.
Obama thereby excused any possibility of investigating, suing ro prosecuting bush’s crimes in this area forever.
How is this better to cover up Constitutional and FISA violations? Led by Obama? Answer the question.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:11 pmFrankly, I wish the crazed remnants of the Republic Party would hurry up and self-destruct.
I’m tired of all the ugliness and rampant stupidity. Jebus – ain’t EIGHT YEARS enough???
June 20th, 2009 at 1:11 pmHow is the insanity that Obama is proposing, pre-emptive detentions any less vintage bush?
Please, by all means, talk me down on this one…
June 20th, 2009 at 1:14 pmJimmy Big Bucks:
June 20th, 2009 at 1:15 pmHow did you feel about Reagan’s support of terrorists? Do you support terrorism? BTW: Everyone thinks you are a faker…
Remember when Reagan raised taxes?
June 20th, 2009 at 1:16 pmNo, dude, it means that I find your own hysterics a bit over-the-top and I was mimicking your insistence on oversimplification. I found that a more useful response than actually taking your whining seriously would have been.
Most of us recognized during the campaign that Obama was hardly the wild-eyed “socialist” that the right-wing tried to portray him as. We knew he is a pragmatist, and a centrist, with some progressive instincts.
It appears as though you and Another Joe bought the right-wing spin of “most liberal Senator” and expected him to follow suit.
Yeah, I’m disappointed in much of his administration’s work so far, but I know the problems the nation faces are deep-seated and almost intractable. I know shit doesn’t necessarily turn around in a few months.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:16 pmI agree with the handful of honest commenters, and, in this case, Steele. Obama is a liar. But then, I’m one of his early gay supporters who actually (gasp) believed him when he said he would go to work to repeal DOMA and DADT. I actually believed him, as he lifted that money from my pocket and patted me on the head for my vote.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:18 pmLiar.
First off, he seems very mindful of the fact that TP and others are watching, listening, recording…Good!
Second, Steele doesn’t really have to try to be crazy, and neither do his listeners, no matter what time of day.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:18 pmJimmy, Reagan assumed the Presidency on the heels of Gerald Ford’s milktoast attempt to salvage the Executive Office’s tarnished image, the result of Nixon and his fellow crooks.
All the perps evaded prosecution, scurrying under the carpet only to resurface 2 decades later, propping up George W. Bush in front of them for camoflage.
Remember?
June 20th, 2009 at 1:19 pmPointing out facts
June 20th, 2009 at 1:19 pm– Will always be just individuals interpreting events to suit their predetermined biases… Suggesting otherwise is arrogances wrapped in pomposity…
Hey doodlebug, thanks for the explanation about the filtering.
I understood the concern then, but it was still a stupid decision by TP and it’s stupid now.
I think filtering is onerous for both TP admins and commenters.
There’s such a thing as self regulation, and the abuse flag.
Oh well.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:20 pmRestate your question with less strawman…
June 20th, 2009 at 1:24 pm—
I am not much for taking orders. What strawmen Just tell me an administration that has met you expectations. War crimes would have to be determined by a legal body empowered to do so. Are you such a body?
When I said Reagan tripled the deficit, I misspoke. I meant he tripled the entire national debt of the previous 200 years. He had to enact the biggest tax increase in US history to prevent it from getting worse. His invasion of Grenada was also illegal and was to save face after getting chased out of Lebanon (which was also an illegal invasion).
June 20th, 2009 at 1:25 pmWell go support the gop and see how they treat you.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:28 pmSteele shoots his mouth off all day everyday and basically says nothing but crap. What has he done for his party other than embarrass them. GO Steele…..More Dems in 2010
June 20th, 2009 at 1:30 pmnoseeum Says:
“Jimmy, Reagan assumed the Presidency on the heels of Gerald Ford’s milktoast attempt to salvage the Executive Office’s tarnished image, the result of Nixon and his fellow crooks.”
And I misspoke as well.
Reagan came in after Jimmy Carter, who inherited the debacle of Ford and Nixon.
I was remembering Ford’s pathetic attempt to forge a “co-Presidency at the Republican national Convention in 1980.
I’m imagining Jimmy doesn’t remember much of any of this anyways.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:32 pmHumpty Hump got a radio show?
June 20th, 2009 at 1:32 pmI do have to admit I love the fact that he looks like the sesame street character…..Mr. Johnson
June 20th, 2009 at 1:33 pmcheck it out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky0LhUkNicI
myroro Says:
I agree with the handful of honest commenters, and, in this case, Steele. Obama is a liar. But then, I’m one of his early gay supporters who actually (gasp) believed him when he said he would go to work to repeal DOMA and DADT. I actually believed him, as he lifted that money from my pocket and patted me on the head for my vote.
Liar.
Um moron… do you want gays to be able to serve in the military at all? Obama only has the power to repeal DADT which would then make it illegal for gays to serve, stop reservist discharges in times of national emergency or fight a discharge on an individual basis. CONGRESS should be repealing laws or reworking them not the President. Try reading up on the UCMJ sometime.
Do you really want to go back to a President obliterating any law he pleases? I’m willing to bet you didn’t like Bush doing it so it’s not okay for Obama to do it.
…and it’s been five months. Stop being so impatient. He extended what rights he legally could under DOMA which is pretty much more than any President has done. He’s trying to get health care dealt with.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#31416031
June 20th, 2009 at 1:37 pmnoseeum Says: And I misspoke as well.
maybe its best you don’t speak at all because its obvious you don’t know jack about history.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:37 pmAmericasBack
June 20th, 2009 at 1:38 pmI just did some peel and eat 21/25 wild caught shrimp. Swing by if you wish. Depending upon your age or if you are a female planning a pregnancy I wouldn’t worry too much about the mercury. It is more about attempting to reel in the tragedy of the commons which capitalist greed has unleashed upon the fisheries…
Shorter Steele: Respect our liar, not theirs.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:40 pmJimmy Big Bucks:
June 20th, 2009 at 1:41 pmWhat do you know of history and where did you gain this knowledge? I look forward to your response if there is one. I see you did not wish to take any ownership of Reagan’s support for terrorism… I wasn’t suprised. Faking it requires such…
Dimmeh knows history?
June 20th, 2009 at 1:42 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
noseeum Says: And I misspoke as well.
Jimmy Big Bucks Says: “maybe its best you don’t speak at all because its obvious you don’t know jack about history.”
I’m at least willing to go back and check things out if I believe I might be in error…
Care to answer the question regarding what you were doing at that point in history, if you were even around?
My guess is you were a result of Reagan’s “trickle down economics” when your dad got laid off.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:46 pmPerhaps, Jimmy, you could explain exactly where any of us have our facts wrong about the Reagan administration…
Did the national debt NOT triple under Reagan?
Did Reagan NOT raise taxes in 1982 after it was clear his tax cut the year before was resulting in massive red ink?
Did the Reagan administration NOT sell arms to Iran in order to illegally fund the Contra rebels?
Thanks, Jimmy. We all look forward to your demonstration of knowing jack about history.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:46 pmHey, remember when Reagan, and then Cheney, said deficits dont matter?
*chuckles*
Now thats fiscal responsibility we can believe in.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:48 pm139.ralph the wonder locust Says: No, dude, it means that I find your own hysterics a bit over-the-top and I was mimicking your insistence on oversimplification. I found that a more useful response than actually taking your whining seriously would have been.
Okay, dude. However, I notice dude that real factual information that doesn’t conform to your illusions, dude get characterized as ‘hysterics’ or right-wing. Meanwhile, “preventative detention,” lies about DOMA and telecom immunity are flatly ignored, despite being presented with sourced and credible information. These are little details, these are bush-era policies and continuation of bush era policies.
Not one ‘defender’ has explained why preventative detention is anything but insane. Obama blocking the bush emails, visitor logs, call it “hysterics” or troll-talk or whatever else allows you to dismiss or attempt to discredit, but the Obama middle-finger policies are stacking up.
To the Obamaphiles, however, he’s really a wily chessmaster…Is there no end to the delusion?
Most of us recognized during the campaign that Obama was hardly the wild-eyed “socialist” that the right-wing tried to portray him as. We knew he is a pragmatist, and a centrist, with some progressive instincts.
He has no progressive instincts. Progressives would not allow telecom immunity. Would not allow preventative detention. Would push for single payer. Would push for real transparency.
Obama has done none of these things.
It appears as though you and Another Joe bought the right-wing spin of “most liberal Senator” and expected him to follow suit.
Yes, it’s “right-wing spin” to complain about preventative detention, lying about repeal of DOMA and DADT, and voting for telecomm immunity, not to mention the lack of bush admonistration prosecutions. You really are a disingenuous sh¡thead coward, aren’t you?
Yeah, I’m disappointed in much of his administration’s work so far, but I know the problems the nation faces are deep-seated and almost intractable. I know shit doesn’t necessarily turn around in a few months.
I’m sure the Bagram detainees and the sham military tribunal victims will be sympathetic to your ‘disappointment.’ Awwww. Meanwhile, the bush administration, daily, makes the tracks harder and harder to uncover over their war crimes. Thanks Obama.
What a disgrace.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:51 pmI’ve had fried fish cooked with Guinness. Very good. One cup of guinness in the batter of four fish.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:51 pmAmericasBack:
June 20th, 2009 at 1:51 pmOf course. If you are ever driving toward Chincoteague Va, there is a little roadhouse shack on the left around Wallops Island that does head on shrimp and pitchers of beer. I highly recommend this joint….
That would be fun, AB. But you can be damn sure I wouldn’t be trying any of their recipes.
If they can get their arguments on politics so drastically wrong, imagine what kind of havoc they could wreak on a simple alfredo sauce…
June 20th, 2009 at 1:51 pmHeyoo cousin Jimmy, meet me down at the truck stop, I gots a couple issues of Buckmasters we’s can dribble over… don’ fergit yer muzzleloader… heh heh…..
June 20th, 2009 at 1:52 pmhttp://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB210/index.htm
Here, Dimmeh, edumahkate yerself on Iran/Contra
June 20th, 2009 at 1:54 pmWhen they go with hopium we will know that they have have totally lost it. I am beginning to think I won’t be getting that satisfaction administration answer…. Sunshine daydream walking in a…
June 20th, 2009 at 1:57 pmjimmy big putz is giving someone history lessons? this ought to be good.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:59 pm156 kdgamergirl Says: ….and it’s been five months. Stop being so impatient. He extended what rights he legally could under DOMA which is pretty much more than any President has done. He’s trying to get health care dealt with.
Okay, “moron,” explain why Obama’s DOJ was arguing in court to defend DOMA.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:59 pmYou notice wrongly. I didn’t characterize your factual information as hysterics. I characterized your response as hysterics. See the difference?
And your inability to deal with the casual employment of the term “dude” really doesn’t say much for your maturity of thought. It really makes you sound kinda childish.
You seem to think I’m an “Obamaphile”. I’m not. I like the President and I trust that he will serve the nation well. But I never thought of him as any kind of savior or “Messiah” as you (and the wingnut trolls, coincidentally) like to imply.
In fact, it sounds very much like you’re guilty of the same offense you charge me with — demonizing those who disagree with you without any attendant valid argument. I guess taking into account my own disappointment with the President’s performance would be inconvenient, so you just shove it in the memory hole and pretend that I never acknowledged it.
Whatever. We get it. You thought Obama was truly progressive, just like the desperate Republicans claimed. Only difference was, they thought it was a bad thing and you don’t. He’s not. Deal with it. Push him to the left as well as you can, that’s all you can do.
But doing what you’re doing here makes you look foolish.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:02 pmIn general a respect the ideals you so strongly seem to hold. Still “moron” claims seems to discount those to a substantial degree. Again just tell us what it is you wish for. Assuming it is somewhat in the realm of reality maybe it is doable. Theproblem seems that pies will never be in skies…
June 20th, 2009 at 2:04 pmDid Obama give a time & date as to when he would repeal both or are you one of the morons who thought he’d do it January 20, 2009 at 3pm?
June 20th, 2009 at 2:05 pmHard to imagine what kind of response you could be hoping for when you speak in this manner to people you’re trying to persuade to your way of thinking.
happy trails hard ass.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:07 pmPUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUCEMENT:
I remembered Another Joe as being originally far less insistent and irascible than he is now, so I did some research.
I thought maybe he was was a really a Libertarian, but:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7225#comment-396119
Yeah, right, martin.
RON PAUL DID NOT EVEN HAVE THE GUTS TO SHOW UP AT THE REPUG CONVENTION!!
Please don’t give me this crap that he is about anything more than grandstanding.
So , not a “paultard” then.
Also on Bradblog, AJ wrote: I still don’t get it – as long as these are consenting adults putting each other’s testicles into their mouths, why should dems be concerned?
Shouldn’t the real question be: What homosexual acts are Obama and the dems going to publicly perform in order to demonstrate that they also support gays?
So ummm, sarcastic or sincere? Incoherent certainly.
There’s quite a few other comments dotted around but what I’ve been able to discern is this:
AJ seems to think that his comments about a corrupt media are revelations to us all.He seems to think that his criticisms of the Dems and lately Obama are revelations too. And he thinks that this site and others are populated by uninformed naifs.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/11/joe-plumber-media/#comment-5419270
Whole-heartedly agree, but around here, they just post about the lying liars that stand in front of the cameras.
The dems that enable it all get a free pass.
In fact, you can get flamed or even banned at most of these sites for pointing out the fact that none of these morons would be in the media if the dems had taken meaningful action against the criminality, looting, treason, war crimes, crimes against humanity.
So basically Aj is sort of a proto-nihist desperate for inclusion by some group and political identity, but only on his own unique and utterly brilliantly incisive terms.
Oh and 9-11 was an inside job, says AJ.
So maybe that explains AJ a bit better to us all, and maybe will help to explaing TP and the rest of us to AJ a bit better too,
June 20th, 2009 at 2:10 pmI thought the same thing, Fred. Doesn’t seem a very productive strategy.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:10 pmBozo The Neoclown Says:
jimmy big putz is giving someone history lessons? this ought to be good.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
So far his take on the history of the Reagan era seems to be about as good as Newt’s (earlier “Prague Spring” thread.) And I thought that Newt was supposed to be a history professor? I’d hate to be one of his students!
Jimmy, Reagan is DEAD, and he really sucked anyway.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:12 pmAmericasBack:
June 20th, 2009 at 2:12 pmI am not sure but it is just before you pass all the NASA stuff prior to the causeway bridge over to Chincoteague and on the left. I used to spend significant time there but not so much to make a drunken ass of myself. Are you still getting softshells? Ever been to the Oyster Festival at Maddox campground?
I have a bit of a stomach bug right now. And speaking of Reagan, I remember when he lied to the American people about the Iran-Contra affair. Reagan tried to claim he knew nothing of the arms-for-hostages deal. But when he was forced to testify under oath and was asked if he was familiar with it, he said, “It was an operation taken at my behest…”.
Republicans like to promote two falsehoods (or, if you want to be technical, “misrepresentations.”) First, they like to claim Reagan cut taxes which he did do in his first budget, but then he raised taxes every year after that. Second, they like to claim that Reagan “proved that deficits don’t matter.” (Dick Cheney is alleged to have uttered this.) This is bullpucky, of course, as they do “matter.” It was just their excuse for spending outrageous amounts of money on wars that should never have been fought in the first place.
BTW, did you know that Ronald Reagan is dead? The way they talk about him all the time I thought he might still be calling the shots, but I checked and nope, he’s dead. Dead as a doornail.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:12 pm179.ralph the wonder locust Says: You notice wrongly. I didn’t characterize your factual information as hysterics. I characterized your response as hysterics. See the difference?
Neither confronts the perpetuation of Obama’s adoration for bush abuses, so in that respect, there is no difference. You’ve avoided it again.
And your inability to deal with the casual employment of the term “dude” really doesn’t say much for your maturity of thought. It really makes you sound kinda childish.
Yes, like the causal employment of the term “dude” makes you sound mature to begin with…
In fact, it sounds very much like…heehaw…heehaw..
And away he goes, still ducking Obama’s continued abusive policies or the preventative detention or the telecom immunity covering bush’s crimes.
As long as you can attempt to characterize critics as this or that, you’ve never a need to actually confront the gaping holes in your hero. The policies and red flags I’ve posted and sourced are genuine, but you scurry to run away from addressing the points, rather in favor of distorting and evaluating anyone’s motives who dares to question, however substantively, your faith.
Coward.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:13 pm“I like to articles all the time in my blog posts, but that doesn’t ever single solitary word spoken in the article is what I believe.”
This is what happens when I’m pissed and trying to type at the same time. What I meant to type:
“I LINK to articles all the time my blog posts, but that doesn’t MEAN EVERY single solitary word spoken in the article is what I believe”.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:14 pmHi Jane. Hi Wayne. Wayne I hope you feel better. Jane do you dig lamb? I have way too much…
June 20th, 2009 at 2:14 pmmyroro Says:
I agree with the handful of honest commenters, and, in this case, Steele. Obama is a liar. But then, I’m one of his early gay supporters who actually (gasp) believed him when he said he would go to work to repeal DOMA and DADT. I actually believed him, as he lifted that money from my pocket and patted me on the head for my vote.
Liar.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Perhaps you should check out the thread down below regarding the DOJ meeting with gay rights groups next week.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:16 pmDude are you avoiding simply answering the question of what you will be happy with? Come on dude. We can’t make it happen if you don’t really want it… btw I think kdgamergirl has rings on her fingers and bells on her toes…
June 20th, 2009 at 2:17 pmLOVE lamb, dbadass–save me some!
June 20th, 2009 at 2:17 pm184.ralph the wonder locust Says:
Hard to imagine what kind of response you could be hoping for when you speak in this manner to people you’re trying to persuade to your way of thinking.
I thought the same thing, Fred. Doesn’t seem a very productive strategy.
Wow, judgment faster than a FoxNews distortion. Here’s a hint: first, notice the quotation marks, then refer back to the original post upon which my question is based…#156.
I’ll wait for your equally public flogging of kdgamergirl and your apology to me. I also won’t hold my breath…
June 20th, 2009 at 2:17 pmYou don’t seem to be very happy about anything, antshiro, do you need a time out?
June 20th, 2009 at 2:21 pmLike about two terms duration, then get back with us and we’ll see how things turned out.
191.Jane E. Schneider Says: Perhaps you should check out the thread down below regarding the DOJ meeting with gay rights groups next week.
Said ‘meeting’ coming on the heels of a major fundraising meltdown and defense of the DOMA policy by Obama’s DOJ. This has the feel of desperate apology after getting busted…
June 20th, 2009 at 2:22 pmOkay shall we start over?Please lay off the pissing and moaning and lay down a bulletted list of realistic actions you wish to be executed. We can then look at the pros and cons of these ideas and the logistical and pragmatic implications of each as otherwise it is just tiresome and circular. Assuming adulthood which administration best met your imagination and why? Thanks-
June 20th, 2009 at 2:22 pmI don’t know about anyone else, but I’m getting the feeling that Another Joe isn’t a progressive at all. I get the feeling that he is another “concern” right wing troll. Since there’s nothing we can say to make a difference to him, why don’t we start ignoring him.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:26 pm197.dbadass Says: Assuming adulthood which administration best met your imagination and why? Thanks-
Find me an adult to discuss this with and I’ll answer it.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:27 pmYes bilbo, everyone who questions obama is a right wing troll. Wow, just wow.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:27 pmEveryone who questioned George Bush and protested against his policies was a Great American.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:29 pmmyroro Says:
I agree with the handful of honest commenters, and, in this case, Steele. Obama is a liar. But then, I’m one of his early gay supporters who actually (gasp) believed him when he said he would go to work to repeal DOMA and DADT. I actually believed him, as he lifted that money from my pocket and patted me on the head for my vote.
Perhaps you can show us a link to anything that said President Obama would work to repeal DOMA. He did say he would work to repeal DADT and I believe he will do it. It’s just not happening on your time schedule. Apparently you think your needs are more important than the millions of Americans who are suffering from our broken economy and the millions of Americans who have no health care. A little selfish, don’t you think?
June 20th, 2009 at 2:29 pmFind me an adult to discuss this with and I’ll answer it.
–Well I am 44 have 2 Masters degrees and a pair of kids will that do or does your agenda prevent you from wanting to have a respectful discussion? As I have noted I respect your ideals. I just wonder about their practicality and their air of superiority in which they are presented…
June 20th, 2009 at 2:30 pm198.Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says: Since there’s nothing we can say to make a difference to him, why don’t we start ignoring him.
I’ve noticed you have nothing to say to any criticism of Obama except, “Troll,” or “chessmaster” or “he needs more time.”
Nevermind the abuses Obama has embraced of bush poicy.
Nevermind the preventative detention which, if floated by a republican, would have been instant declared insane, but here is met with…indifference, or worse, apology because it’s Obama.
Nevermind the Bagram detentions continue.
Nevermind bush prosecutions are being blown off and covered up.
But, I’ve confidence you’ll trot out a host of unclever verbal detours to characterize these as right-wing attacks and critics as trolls.
Jeebus.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:30 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
Yes bilbo, everyone who questions obama is a right wing troll. Wow, just wow
Are you going to tell me that none of the regular posters on this blog ever questions Obama? Because if you try to say that, you will make yourself out to be a liar. But people who come here who have nothing but complaints about President Obama and what he has done thus far seem to me to be nothing more than “concern trolls”. We are never going to get everything that we want out of a President. But some people are willing to give President Obama a chance to do the things he said he was going to do. Considering the mess he inherited, I think he’s doing OK thus far. I can’t imagine how hard it is for him to try to untangle the messes that George Bush left us. I will wait at least a year before I condemn him.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:32 pmHi Jimmy Big Bucks:
June 20th, 2009 at 2:33 pmSo about that thing with Reagan and terrorism. Is that off limits with you or something? Does it bother youto be known as a faker?
Until I hear otherwise from people actually in the Obama DOJ, I will continue to believe that the reason Obama went into court and put forth the Bush Administration’s arguments in defense of the indefensible is that they are trying to lose. I believe they want the courts to say that the Bush policies are unconstitutional and, therefore, there would be less argument about repealing those laws. Republicans would no longer be able to defend the unconstitutional if they want to remain true to their oaths of office to support and defend it. Until the issues involved are settled one way or the other in the courts, they will continue to serve as wedge issues. And the only politicians who would think we need to have those wedge issues are the ones who have nothing of their own to campaign on. That’s just IMHO, of course.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:33 pmdbadass is a 44 year old loser who still lives at home. Hes on here all the time on week days.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:34 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
156 kdgamergirl Says: ….and it’s been five months. Stop being so impatient. He extended what rights he legally could under DOMA which is pretty much more than any President has done. He’s trying to get health care dealt with.
Okay, “moron,” explain why Obama’s DOJ was arguing in court to defend DOMA.
Because they have a duty to uphold the law no matter how repugnant it is. They were defending state’s rights to dictate who can get married. I’ve said I don’t approve of the language however try reading the brief. Don’t bother arguing DADT with me either. I’m a veteran who worked with JAGs when I was being discharged, I’m well aware of how it works.
You really want an adult to talk to? Well stop whining about every little thing Obama hasn’t done and join us in reality. Then maybe we’ll have a conversation. You sound like a braty 12 year old who hasn’t gotten their way.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:36 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
“…everyone who questions obama is a right wing troll.”
Have you ever told us what category you fall into, Jimmy?
Progressive? Liberal? Conservative? Libertarian?
I’m not recalling you having mentioned…
You have yet to answer my simple question as to how old you were when Reagan was President….
June 20th, 2009 at 2:37 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m getting the feeling that Another Joe isn’t a progressive at all. I get the feeling that he is another “concern” right wing troll. Since there’s nothing we can say to make a difference to him, why don’t we start ignoring him.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
I started flagging him from about his second comment today. Regardless of whether he’s really a troll or just a pissed-off progressive, his repetitive comments and insults to TP constitute trolling, in my opinion.
Maybe he lives here in the Northeast, where the constant rain is compounding his anger?
June 20th, 2009 at 2:38 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
“Hes on here all the time on week days.”
You would know…
June 20th, 2009 at 2:38 pmdbadass Says:
Dude are you avoiding simply answering the question of what you will be happy with? Come on dude. We can’t make it happen if you don’t really want it… btw I think kdgamergirl has rings on her fingers and bells on her toes…
Hehe you still owe me a drink for graduating or two when I finish my Masters :)
June 20th, 2009 at 2:39 pmim a right leaning libertarian. I voted for ron paul.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:39 pmActually Jimmy Big Bucks I live in the most affluent community in my state 6-8 hours from mommy or daddy’s house and no there is no basement. Wanna compare resumes and curricula vitae? I can tell you what the later is if you need me to…
June 20th, 2009 at 2:39 pmRon Paul clods are a gas…
June 20th, 2009 at 2:40 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
dbadass is a 44 year old loser who still lives at home.
That home being the one he bought for himself. The projection is strong with this one.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:40 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
198.Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says: Since there’s nothing we can say to make a difference to him, why don’t we start ignoring him.
I’ve noticed you have nothing to say to any criticism of Obama except, “Troll,” or “chessmaster” or “he needs more time.”
And you are a liar. There have been plenty of times I have expressed my disappointment in the things President Obama has done. But I, unlike you, am willing to allow him some breathing room to get things right. Considering what he has to deal with on a daily basis, including the obstructionist Republics, I can see how he has to either stay in a holding pattern on an issue or put it off until he has some breathing room. Right now the most important things are fixing our economy and health care. He’s working very hard on both.
So perhaps you can tell us how things could be different? Do you really think he can change all the things you want changed over night with the constant obstruction by the Republics and with all the other things he has to deal with on a daily basis?
June 20th, 2009 at 2:40 pmReagan is dead? No way! Why he was seen at the teabagging protests with Elvis and Kenny Boy Lay !!
/Snark
June 20th, 2009 at 2:41 pmthey are the modern Ross Perot fools…
June 20th, 2009 at 2:42 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
“im a right leaning libertarian. I voted for ron paul.”
Thanks, I’m sorry about your loss.
Now, how old were you when Reagan was President?
I was 25, and had been voting for 7 years.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:42 pmdbadass Says:
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Actually Jimmy Big Bucks I live in the most affluent community in my state 6-8 hours from mommy or daddy’s house and no there is no basement. Wanna compare resumes and curricula vitae? I can tell you what the later is if you need me to…
you even fail at beig a pretend eletist. Youre just another middle aged, lower middle class pencil pusher from a no name community college.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:43 pmkdgamergirl Says:
You sound like a braty 12 year old who hasn’t gotten their way.
BINGO! And that bratty 12 year old is here pretty much daily throwing his temper tantrums.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:43 pm.
Dear Jimmy,
I question Obama all the time. Like …
… Why hide photo’s?
… Where’s the equality?
… When can I have your health care?
.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:44 pmhanshiro isn’t even a real progressive. He just gets his list of push points intended to weaken the respect we have for President Obama. The most progressive candidates would never have won the general election, heck, they couldn’t even win the primaries. If he’s going to get anything accomplished he’s going to have to disappoint all of us over one thing or another. The thing to do is contact your own legislators and tell them what you want done and write to the President. Everything he does is better than McCain would have done. We’d have already bombed, bombed, bombed Iran and killed of thousand of those people we respect so much for fighting for their democracy.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:45 pmYou spelled elitist incorrectly. Wanna pony up evidences of the taht stupid shit? Anyway it really doesn’t matter. I have no reason to be dishonest whereas you do. I notice you have not the balls to tell us about your education career or living situation. Is that because you are a fraud seeking attention?
June 20th, 2009 at 2:47 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
dbadass is a 44 year old loser who still lives at home. Hes on here all the time on week days.
You may notice that I’m here weekdays too. And you want to know why? Because you and your ilk screwed up our economy to the point where the non-profit I worked for was about to go under and I was laid off. I am 61 years old and the chances of me finding another job in my field are just about nil.
Thanks to you and your ilk, I will probably have to take early retirement next January and unless our Congress comes up with some kind of meaningful health care reform, I will become one of the 47 million Americans with no health insurance.
So, I guess you can see why I get a little cranky with you righties. You have pretty much screwed up my world.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:48 pmI agree with Paul in that the FED should be audited and abolished…but also wonder how bad congress could screw up the currency given their ability to spend like Palin with someone elses credit cards.
And giving the FED more regulatory power [Bwahahahahah!!] would surely end in more rigged bubbles and busts.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:48 pmunlike you dbadass I don’t need to lie on the internet about myself.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:49 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
you even fail at beig a pretend eletist. Youre just another middle aged, lower middle class pencil pusher from a no name community college.
And you don’t think that’s elitist? A “no name community college”? On behalf of all Americans not fortunate to be born into a wealthy family where they can be admitted to a college they aren’t otherwise qualified for because of their family connections, go fcuk yourself.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:49 pmdbadass Says:
You spelled elitist incorrectly. Wanna pony up evidences of the taht stupid shit? Anyway it really doesn’t matter. I have no reason to be dishonest whereas you do. I notice you have not the balls to tell us about your education career or living situation. Is that because you are a fraud seeking attention?
Don’t ask him that. Like all our resident trolls he will say he is someone who makes a six figure income and owns a million dollar home.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:49 pmJimmy Big Bucks,
June 20th, 2009 at 2:49 pmDubya went to Harvard and Yale and he could not even get a job without his daddy’s influence.
Jimmy sort of comes across as being the bitter janitor at a community college.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:49 pmDid ya’ll take some crazy pills this morning…?
June 20th, 2009 at 2:50 pmI didn’t avoid anything, except for the agenda you’re insisting on. I was addressing your claim that “real factual information that doesn’t conform to your illusions, dude get characterized as ‘hysterics’ or right-wing”
Your response to this (above) is almost completely incoherent.
Let’s go through it step-by-step:
1) you accused me of: real factual information that doesn’t conform to your illusions, dude get characterized as ‘hysterics’ or right-wing
2) I pointed out that I wasn’t addressing your “factual information” — I was addressing your use of that information in this thread. I never accused you of being right wing. I simply characterized your repeated comments as “hysterics”. I stand by that characterization.
3) You then say I’ve avoided something because you wanted me to say something else. You seem to try to conflate your erroneous claim about me with your fervent belief in the massive failure of the five-month-old Obama administration.
Sure, it’s not real dignified, but I find it conversational at times. It wasn’t intended to demean you, simply to reflect a growing exasperation with your one-note argument.
You chose to mock my use of it by repeated insertions in your response, to the detriment of any sense you were trying to make. In fact, your mocking use of “dude” overshadowed the rest of your message. You chose to make fun of a casual inconsequential language element at the expense of what you really seem to want to say (over and over again).
Again with the question: what kind of response are you seeking here?
You seem upset with others dismissing your arguments, yet you refuse to give anyone else’s any respectful treatment at all. You want to dictate the subject of discussion, and any deviation from that (including my original observation that you were being a little hysterical) you see as “ducking”.
It doesn’t work that way. I understand your militant rejection of Obama. I just don’t share it. Yes, he is moving too slowly on some issues and supporting others too tepidly. On others he is just flat-out wrong. But he’s the best we had to choose from and I trust he will be a good president in an extremely difficult time.
You’re welcome to keep trumpeting your rants. Just don’t expect them to generate a more positive response than you’ve gotten here today, with the delivery method you’ve chosen.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:51 pmkdgamergirl
June 20th, 2009 at 2:51 pmI am acutely aware of mt Mai Tai debt. Please excuse me but as you may know I have no patience for posers and attention seekers. Will you be starting that grad program in the fall or what? Where at and in what discipline if you do not mind my inquiry.I will have toput some thought into the best apps to serve with Mai Tai’s
Jimmy Big Bucks Says:
unlike you dbadass I don’t need to lie on the internet about myself.
And I think you’re lying about not lying about yourself. BTW, Reagan was my Commmander-in-Chief when I was in the Air Force. When did you legally put on a military uniform? (Dressing up as sailor on Halloween doesn’t count.)
June 20th, 2009 at 2:52 pmDid you know Dimmehs middle name was Big and his last name Bucks?
Its good he tells the troof.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:52 pmHi Zooey. Wanna go get cocktails with me and kdgamergirl?
June 20th, 2009 at 2:52 pm“RNC chairman’s not trying to be crazy first thing in the morning.”
Michael Steele started it…
June 20th, 2009 at 2:52 pm;)
203. dbadass Says: –Well I am 44 have 2 Masters degrees and a pair of kids will that do or does your agenda prevent you from wanting to have a respectful discussion?
Pity, you obviously didn’t want a respectful discussion to begin with; otherwise you’d have gotten different results with a different approach. Hope your kids aren’t learning Dad’s way of “respect.”
June 20th, 2009 at 2:53 pmZooey Says: Did ya’ll take some crazy pills this morning?
Naw, last nite. Still feeling kinda Mikey this morning.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:53 pmJimmy Big Bucks:
June 20th, 2009 at 2:54 pmClaiming anyone lies does notmake it so. I can understand if you have achieved nothing of significance but it really isn’tmy issue. I know who I am… Do you faker?
Sure, db. What time?
June 20th, 2009 at 2:54 pmdbadass Says:
kdgamergirl
I am acutely aware of mt Mai Tai debt. Please excuse me but as you may know I have no patience for posers and attention seekers. Will you be starting that grad program in the fall or what? Where at and in what discipline if you do not mind my inquiry.I will have toput some thought into the best apps to serve with Mai Tai’s
Probably Fall or Spring depending on where I decide to go. I’m going for my Masters in Psychology so I can get my Marriage and Family Therapy license. :)
June 20th, 2009 at 2:54 pmdbadass Says:
Hi Zooey. Wanna go get cocktails with me and kdgamergirl?
You should definetly come with us!
June 20th, 2009 at 2:55 pmWho could have guessed?
June 20th, 2009 at 2:55 pmSanto Gnende, do we know you?
June 20th, 2009 at 2:56 pmOK Jimmy, I’ll make it easier for you, how old were you when Clinton was President?
June 20th, 2009 at 2:57 pm“….and Yu are STill such a Big Moron?????….oh and STop talkING About yur lunch……no onee CARES.”
Is this a comment, or a ransom note?
June 20th, 2009 at 2:57 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
Nevermind the abuses Obama has embraced of bush poicy.
And what abuses would those be that he “embraced”. Because he hasn’t taken action or didn’t challenge what Bush set up does not mean that Obama “embraces” those policies.
Nevermind the preventative detention which, if floated by a republican, would have been instant declared insane, but here is met with…indifference, or worse, apology because it’s Obama.
And what “preventative detention” would that be? Are you talking about Gitmo? If so, what would you have Obama do? Should he open the gates and let everyone leave?
Nevermind the Bagram detentions continue.
Again, do you advocate he just let all those guys go?
Nevermind bush prosecutions are being blown off and covered up.
Perhaps you can give us examples of how they are being “covered up”. If you mean that each and every memo ever written and every photograph taken hasn’t been released to the public, then I guess you don’t think we should have anything held in secret to protect our national security.
But, I’ve confidence you’ll trot out a host of unclever verbal detours to characterize these as right-wing attacks and critics as trolls.
Mostly they are right wing attacks by trolls. I haven’t made up my mind about you yet whether you are an incredibly impatient person or whether you are a “concern” troll.
Any time someone comes along that can’t find anything good that our President has done, I can only think that they are a concern troll. Because people like you do nothing but complain and when asked can’t come up with anything different that President Obama could be doing to meet your needs.
BTW, who appointed you King? Why do you think that your needs are so much more important than anyone else?
Jeebus.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:57 pmkdgamergirl Says:
You should definetly come with us!
June 20th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
How long does it take to get there from Idaho? :D
June 20th, 2009 at 2:58 pmI think I know who stole the crazy pills…
June 20th, 2009 at 2:58 pmLegacy admissions and nepotism is the affirmative action for white people. I got into my college because my dad could pay the admission and got my first jobs through friends of my father.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:58 pmkdgamergirl Says:
I’m going for my Masters in Psychology so I can get my Marriage and Family Therapy license. :)
June 20th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Oy, better you than me! ;)
June 20th, 2009 at 2:59 pm… sniff, sniff … nobody invited me and I’m half the way there from Zooey’s already …
June 20th, 2009 at 2:59 pmkdgamergirl
June 20th, 2009 at 2:59 pmThere is such a huge need. I work with kids and the ones that need the most help are the ones whose parents need the interventions not the kids…
235.ralph the wonder locust Says:
Cut to the chase and quit trying to foster a miasma of verbiage in which to hide or worse, turning Obama’s continued use of bush policy into a distraction of ad hom posts. Answer the original questions which I’ve posted several times.
Start with and/or explain #120. I’ll wait.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:00 pmI’ll pick you up on the way, Doodlebug. ;)
I guess this is an open thread now. I haven’t seen anything on topic for over 100 comments.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:00 pmYou libs don’t need to know anything more about my life other than
1. im young
June 20th, 2009 at 3:01 pm2. Come from a succesful family
3. I work hard for everything
dbadass Says:
Hi Zooey. Wanna go get cocktails with me and kdgamergirl?
Can I come too? It would be very nice to be able to sit around and talk about current affairs with intelligent compassionate people without all the trolls stinking up the place.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:01 pmHi Santo Gnende
June 20th, 2009 at 3:01 pmJust skinned some mahi. Want some big guy?
Wow, with all the gay people who think marriage is the answer (what was the question) there’ll be a whole new market opening up. /sarc
June 20th, 2009 at 3:01 pmWell played.
You’ve successfully destroyed the authority (in your own mind) of one of our most respectful posters to engage in mature debate, thus freeing you of the obligation to respond to his reasonable questions.
Congratulations. You must be so proud.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:02 pmJimmy Big Bucks:
June 20th, 2009 at 3:03 pmWhat is it that you work so hard at and why are you a jerk ass toward others you know not?
Jimmy Big Bucks Says:
You libs don’t need to know anything more about my life other than
Actually, we don’t need to know anything about your life period. You post like you are a 12 year old and your critical thinking skills are non-existent. You contribute nothing to the discourse on this blog and no one will care if you wander off never to return.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:03 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Can I come too? It would be very nice to be able to sit around and talk about current affairs with intelligent compassionate people without all the trolls stinking up the place.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Yep. db, we’ll be there in a week or 10 days. :)
June 20th, 2009 at 3:03 pmkdgamergirl Says:
June 20th, 2009 at 3:03 pmYou should definetly come with us!
“… sniff, sniff … nobody invited me and I’m half the way there from Zooey’s already …”
Hey, Shayne, I wasn’t invited either, and I’m only a short, well-lit drive away! But I may be in your neck of the woods in early August – how far is Glen Ellyn from you?
June 20th, 2009 at 3:04 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
dbadass Says:
Can the whiners please identify just one administration in their lives they were satisfied with
reagan
I’ll counter with Clinton, Carter, Kennedy, Ike and FDR.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:04 pmWayne @ 2:33
I always find careful reasoning in your comments — there are days when it is very much needed, even here at TP.
…they want the courts to say that the Bush policies are unconstitutional and, therefore, there would be less argument about repealing those laws. Republicans would no longer be able to defend the unconstitutional if they want to remain true to their oaths of office to support and defend it..
I believe, like you, (although it took me a little more time to come to that same conclusion) that the lawyerly Obama knows how to win a case legally; some of the things we’ve heard that have upset so many, may indeed be the torturous way in which justice is finally gained.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:04 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
You libs don’t need to know anything more about my life other than I lie about everything.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Thanks, but no one asked. I, for one, don’t care.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:04 pmForget it ralph. The dude has a decent value system on some level but is blinded by some bullshit fantasy which is insatiable. I am bummed that I even complimented them on the values. It is weird… They have no respect…
June 20th, 2009 at 3:05 pmBTW Doodlebug, you’re driving through Chicago. I’m not doing that again!
June 20th, 2009 at 3:06 pm1. im young [Knew that]
June 20th, 2009 at 3:06 pm2. Come from a succesful family [Dont see the point here other than that you think, perhaps, money is success. Newflash the Mafia has plenty of money]
3. I work hard for everything [I dont see how as you spend alot of time here posting inflammatory remarks. Ditch diggers work much harder]
Neo Says:
kdgamergirl Says:
“You should definetly come with us!”
“Umm, yeah, sure, I’ll come…”
there, that’s better…
June 20th, 2009 at 3:07 pmJesus f ucking christ, all hell is breaking loose in Tehran.
Be back in a bit.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:08 pmYep. db, we’ll be there in a week or 10 days. :)
— Excellent that will give me time to get the menu together. Anybody have any special needs. Vegan is no prob but celiacs and such can be rough on my supplies. Got spelt
June 20th, 2009 at 3:08 pmReally close, are you coming this way?
June 20th, 2009 at 3:08 pmPlease point to a single ad hominem attack I’ve made.
“miasma of verbiage” seems like a rather ironic description, don’t you think?
And I’m not sure how you figure I have “(turned) Obama’s continued use of bush policy into a distraction of ad hom posts”? That sentence makes no sense at all to me.
I never addressed your pet charges because they’re not interesting to me. I understand your feelings but I don’t agree with your conclusions, and all I ever addressed with you was the unproductive tack you’ve taken on this thread.
So stop pretending that I’m “avoiding” anything. I’m not debating Obama’s performance with you because I’ve already explained where I’m at, I know where you’re at, and there doesn’t seem to be any point in rehashing any of it. All it would result in is you calling names anyway.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:09 pmhans has now proven that he is a rabid right winger. He obviously doesn’t understand irony…
June 20th, 2009 at 3:11 pmI’ll drive before we stop for drinks. Where does Bilbo live?
June 20th, 2009 at 3:11 pmdb, are celiacs the no wheat people? They’ll have to drink vodka!
June 20th, 2009 at 3:11 pmThe Iranians are showing us what we should have done after Bush stole the 2000 election.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:12 pmMaybe, Shayne. I’ll tell you about it on today’s private thread.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:13 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
You libs don’t need to know anything more about my life other than
1. im young
2. Come from a succesful family
3. I work hard for everything
So, I’m guessing maybe your first Presidential election might have been George W. and you voted for him because your successful family told you to, and now you’re pissed because you have to work hard for your keep.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:13 pmDid you know that Ronald Reagan was once Governor of California, and that he was a movie star too?
noseeum, you better meet up with us in Chicago, unless you pick Zooey up.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:15 pmJane, that would be great!!!!!
June 20th, 2009 at 3:15 pmAwesome we’ll just have a TP cocktail party :)
June 20th, 2009 at 3:16 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says:
“noseeum, you better meet up with us in Chicago, unless you pick Zooey up.”
We could rendezvous in Fargo….
June 20th, 2009 at 3:16 pmBilbo, I always read your comments too and find that my opinions are much the same.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:16 pmI am very sensitive to the impatience and frustration of the LGBT community, but I truly believe that until Congress changes the law, there cannot be a real solution. And right now, Obama needs Congress to focus on the economy and health care, and the wars. The repukes are obstructing everything in every way – he can’t force this issue right now — but he has taken steps and I am confident he will do more.
I understand the LGBT community is very angry – rightly so – and we’re asking for extraordinary patience of them – but they must recognize that their day is coming.
I am also frustrated that the changes I want to see are so slow in coming to pass, but I recognize the enormous challenges Obama faces and perhaps “triage” is a suitable word here — he can’t fix everything at once — and to fix it right, permanently and unequivocally, will take even longer.
Santo reminds me, in a way, of Rachel — Remember that one with the ™ tracking device?
Heh
June 20th, 2009 at 3:17 pmdbadass, I’ll give you a killer recipe for gyros if you stop trying to convince yimminie of anything with a logical pretense (my head is starting to hurt). He is a contrary and unwilling to embrace an alternative point of view for the sake of a logical debate. He’s a lot like George Bush, short four word sentences, monosylabic dialog and, he often doesn’t make sense.
And yes it uses lamb, garlic, olive oil, mediterranean oregano, marjoram, and few other goodies to make it yummy.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:17 pmIf I am hosting this thing. I want ralph added to the list. oh and Jane tell whatever their name is that I could careless if they are a chick or a dude as they are insignificant…
June 20th, 2009 at 3:18 pmAnybody have a problem with ceviche. Well other than Zooey…
Oh aye dere, you betcha.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:18 pmDid you know that Ronald Reagan was once Governor of California, and that he was a movie star too?
Yeh, wasnt he that guy, some old movie, that carried the Chimperor around?
June 20th, 2009 at 3:20 pmSanto Gnende Says:
JANE e SHnide:
HAHahaHAHA!!!! That ransomE NOte cRACk WAS fuNNIer the First TIME Yu USED it====gett some NEw materali…..and wile UR AT it tell DUMBADass that IM not a Guy.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Yeah, I thought it was funnier the first time around, too. But I got more ‘recommends’ for it this time. ;)
I’m wondering, though, why you’re adopting this new style of posting, since I know that you used to be so much more articulate. Why pretend now, MA?
June 20th, 2009 at 3:20 pm209. kdgamergirl Says: Because they have a duty to uphold the law no matter how repugnant it is. They were defending state’s rights to dictate who can get married. I’ve said I don’t approve of the language however try reading the brief. Don’t bother arguing DADT with me either. I’m a veteran who worked with JAGs when I was being discharged, I’m well aware of how it works.
You really want an adult to talk to? Well stop whining about every little thing Obama hasn’t done and join us in reality. Then maybe we’ll have a conversation. You sound like a braty 12 year old who hasn’t gotten their way.
Wow, JAGs…how intended to be intimidating; except for a couple points that want clarification from so informed a poster, such as these:
Hmmm…how contrary to your claim. It goes on:
There’s more :
Yeah, I’m all ears here. And before you preach to anyone about behaving like an adult? You might want to refrain from calling them names, like “moron.”
Moron.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:22 pmAh, had almost forgot about Mighty Aphrodite
June 20th, 2009 at 3:22 pm“Yeh, wasnt he that guy, some old movie, that carried the Chimperor around?”
Life imitates art….
June 20th, 2009 at 3:22 pmnoseeum.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:23 pmCan you grab a couple of ancho peppers? Oh and bring your binos. We have things to see…
You know, this guy Steele is like really really really really really really really stupid.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:24 pmFederal prosecutors takes years before they file charges. Unlike state prosecutors they aren’t usually in a rush to file charges and generally don’t file them until the case is a sure thing. They had been working on the Blagojevich case for many, many years and only weakened their case when they went public too soon. If we’re going to act like children and force Holder to disclose too much too soon he’ll be putting cases at risk. And if Obama loses in 4 years to a Republican we’ll never get satisfaction.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:24 pm282.ralph the wonder locust Says:
Shorter RtWL: I got nuthin’ but I still want to bicker.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:25 pmvinylspear
June 20th, 2009 at 3:25 pmHow about some stuffed grape leaves? I love those things. And that fried cheese thing. What is the deal with that.I have to have that…
dbadass Says:
noseeum.
Can you grab a couple of ancho peppers? Oh and bring your binos. We have things to see…
I’ll bring my fire gear too, sounds like things could get hot….
June 20th, 2009 at 3:27 pmWe’ll steal her glasses and tell her it’s salsa, she’ll never know. :)
June 20th, 2009 at 3:27 pmbut I still want to bicker.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:28 pm—-
WTF how many times have you been asked what it is that will satisfy you? Your agendais boring. Say whatever you wish the prior posts make it clear who wishes nothing but bickering.I am going to go jump rope with two little sincere people…
See you were probably one of the people who whined when Bush had too much control over the DOJ. Now its okay for Obama to do it?
The JAG remark was not meant to intimidate. It was mearly to demonstrate that I have experience working with military lawyers in that area. Posting some opinion piece isn’t going to convince me.
I don’t agree with you. I think you’re impatient and when people express their disagreement you launch into elitest name calling and rant and rave about how you’re the only one who is informed. Why don’t you answer people’s questions. What exactly should Obama do to make sure you’re happy? Why is your happiness more important that battling obstructionists on health care and clean energy?
That being said, I admit my use of the word moron was uncalled for and I do apologize to whomever was on the recieving end of that but I’m sick of having to explain DADT to people who have no clue.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:29 pmI better go pack….
June 20th, 2009 at 3:30 pmJimmy Big Bucks Says:
You libs don’t need to know anything more about my life other than
1. im young
2. Come from a succesful family
3. I work hard for everything
1. Immature is different than young
June 20th, 2009 at 3:32 pm2.you were born on third base and think you hit a triple…and you’re waiting for someone to hit a home run and carry you home.
3. you have no idea what hard work really is. your hands are softer than your mommy’s. Try working on an oil rig for a winter, in Montana, or tieing up barges for a pushboat on the Mississippi, or framing houses in D.C in the summer, then get back to us about hard work.
Shayne, I put up a note to you on yesterday’s private thread, since there wasn’t one up for today.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:32 pmDid we decide where we’re meeting for cocktails?
June 20th, 2009 at 3:32 pmGeezus. You don’t even know what the hell is going on, do you B? Your “Gitmo” comment alone makes you look so tragically uninformed, it’s staggering.
Goggle “Obama, preventative detention.”
Geeeezus.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:34 pmAnd Hanshiro I’ve tried being nice to you but the ranting and raving with no real solutions is old.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:34 pmThat tells us all we need to know about your willingness to read what other people type.
Thanks.
Should save us all a lot of time.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:39 pmIt must be difficult to be as insightful and brilliant as our friend hanshiro, when one is surrounded by “morons” and the “tragically uninformed”.
But at least he can console himself with his own sense of superiority.
So it’s a trade-off, I guess.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:42 pm313.kdgamergirl Says: See you were probably one of the people who whined when Bush had too much control over the DOJ. Now its okay for Obama to do it?
Never said anything of the kind and according to the sources cited, it’s legal to cite unconstitutional laws. Try again.
The JAG remark was not meant to intimidate. It was mearly to demonstrate that I have experience working with military lawyers in that area. Posting some opinion piece isn’t going to convince me.
I wasn’t intimidated; consistently when people have no basis for their opinions in posts, they cite their alleged bonafides. You don’t explain how the cited information is incorrect, however.
Conveniently, you ignored this part of my post. I’m not trying to convince you, I’m citing evidence that you are wrong. Big difference.
I don’t agree with you.
I don’t care.
I think you’re impatient and when people express their disagreement you launch into elitest name calling and rant and rave about how you’re the only one who is informed. Why don’t you answer people’s questions. What exactly should Obama do to make sure you’re happy? Why is your happiness more important that battling obstructionists on health care and clean energy?
Blah, blah, blah, yet no legal disputation to my cited sources and information.
That being said, I admit my use of the word moron was uncalled for and I do apologize to whomever was on the recieving end of that but I’m sick of having to explain DADT to people who have no clue.
You haven’t explained anything. I just exploded your faulty reasons with several sources. You don’t confront them, you ignore them. You didn’t learn much from working with JAGs, did you?
June 20th, 2009 at 3:43 pmflag santo and move on…
June 20th, 2009 at 3:43 pmdbadass — I’m IN!
Where we meeting, again? Should I bring anything?
June 20th, 2009 at 3:43 pmFred Says:
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hanshiro the antlion Says:
Pity, you obviously didn’t want a respectful discussion to begin with; otherwise you’d have gotten different results with a different approach. Hope your kids aren’t learning Dad’s way of “respect.”
He obviously doesn’t understand irony…what does that make him?
June 20th, 2009 at 3:45 pmSanto Gnende Says:
Your style of posting leaves, well, everything to be desired. And you seem to want to attack Zooey more than you want to make intelligent, coherent arguments in support of your views (whatever they are.) You remind me of a certain poster who claimed to be a lawyer in San Diego.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:48 pmhanshiro’s debate style in a nutshell.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:49 pmJimmy Crackwhore Says:
You libs don’t need to know anything more about my life other than
We know everything we need to know about you and whatever fantasies you put up about yourself are irrelevant. We know what we need to know. You are staggeringly, mindnumbingly stupid. You are a piece of garbage. You are a liar and a fool. You are an ignorant punkass troll. Thats all we need to know right there
June 20th, 2009 at 3:49 pmSanto Gnende = Trajan?
June 20th, 2009 at 3:51 pm323.ralph the wonder locust Says:
You cannot explain away Obama’s increasingly bush-like behavior and embrace of state secrets and non-transparency policy moves. Of course, you’re outta luck if you look to Billybo, who doesn’t know what year it is, apparently.
It’s amazing how republican-like the response is when confronted with unconscionable policy by Obama. Like telecom immunity a while back, you’ll bark and defend, then when a news item comes out about journalists lines being tapped or Clinton being monitored, you’ll bark and whine…forgetting how you assiduously defended the guy who fought to keep it and cover bush’s crimes. And so it goes.
Meet the new acolytes…same as the old acolytes…
June 20th, 2009 at 3:52 pmOT: What is wrong with TP? Why isn’t there a post up on what is going on in Terhan today? Its beibg reported threw tweets on the ground that there is a blood bath going on. Fatemiyeh hospital is reporting 30 to 40 dead and counting. TP is supposed to be a progressive site, and all its posting is fluff. Shame on TP.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:53 pmFred Says:
Santo Gnende = Trajan?
Santo Gnende lick-the-asphalt crazy.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:54 pmSanto Gnende = Trajan?
No, Fred – do you remember Mighty Aphrodite?
angels81 Says:
TheZoo is covering the events in Tehran. http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2009/06/20/all-hell-is-breaking-loose-in-tehran/
June 20th, 2009 at 3:59 pmThanks for the fresh insights. You’re doing great. Keep it up.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:00 pmI ignored them because again you launched into a ranting and raving elitest fest and it’s pathetic. I’ve explained DADT on several posts. What people don’t get it what the President actually has power to do and what the consequences of simply repealing the law. Obama is not the Legislature in Chief.
I said I had experience with DADT complaints. I apologize if that wasn’t made clear. The UCMJ is hopelessly outdated and Congress needs to address that. The only power Obama has over DADT is to repeal the order in which case under the UCMJ it would be illegal for gays to serve regardless of whether they say anything. He can only stop discharges in cases of national emergency and that’s for reservists or on an individual basis.
You’re association of the DOJ with the President implies that you expect him to have some sort of control over it. The President should not have any control over the DOJ like Bush did. That’s what checks and balances should look like. I’ve stated several times that I don’t agree with the language used so slamming me on that is ridiculous.
You accuse me of not answering your questions but you respond to mine with blah blah blah. Legally President Obama extended what rights he could based on DOMA. The DOJ has a duty to uphold the law which you expect them to do with torture but they don’t have a duty to uphold DOMA? It makes no sense.
It is not the job of the DOJ or courts to make legislation. It is their job to interpret the law as it stands. That is for Congress and god forbid they should their jobs.
Still you act like an impatient, whiny child and while I was adult enough to apologize for my moron remark you continue to spout anger. It’s hard to discuss something with someone who is so hateful to anyone who disagrees.
Post some solutions instead of more complaints.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:01 pmHanshiro:
Blessed are the flexible, for they will not be bent out of shape.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:05 pm282. ralph the wonder locust Says: I never addressed your pet charges because they’re not interesting to me.
Ralph’s debate style in a nutshell.
Coward.
Come back when you grow some huevos and run out of republican evasion techniques.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:05 pmdipshit
June 20th, 2009 at 4:10 pmThis assclown personifies the Publican party of today.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:10 pmHe is rudderless, nearly mindless in his back and forth babble.
He has trouble keeping up with rudimentary stuff like what he said two minutes ago.
The Senile Publicans are going down.
hanshiro, it strikes me that your propensity for name-calling really bolsters your argument whenever you employ that tactic.
Well done. Keep fighting the good fight.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:11 pmSanto Gnende Says:
WHY argue WITH bilboDildoo…..besideS Zeooy aND ANGEl81 he one of OF the biggEST Dumbasses here …
June 20th, 2009 at 3:40 pm Add Karma Recommend (1)
Okay, who accidentally hit the ‘recommend’ for this one? (I find it hard to believe that it was done on purpose.)
June 20th, 2009 at 4:11 pmPublican, in the Gospels, is derived from the publicanus of the Vulgate, and signifies a member or employee of the Roman financial companies who farmed the taxes. From the time of the Republic the Roman State relieved itself of the trouble of collecting the taxes in the provinces by putting up the taxes of each in a lump sum to auction. The highest bidder received the authorization to extort the sum from the province in question. Such a system afforded ample opportunity for rapacious exactions on the part of the company and its officials, and the abuses were often intolerable.
just in case anyone was wondering about my phrasing…
June 20th, 2009 at 4:13 pm337. kdgamergirl Says:
Again, you’re ignoring the inconvenient:
I ask once again, why is this not legal in your opinion? You haven’t explained, merely launched into verbose, but documentedly threadbare dispute of the statement. Restating your original claim doesn’t strengthen your position because the contradiction I posted by informed authority goes unanswered.
You don’t confront this either, nor do you entertain the legal possibilities open to Obama. Both sources I’ve cited are lawyers. You’ve provided no authoritative sources to dispute mine; no sources at all, merely impatient faulty opinion.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:17 pmDo better or don’t post to informed sources.
steeley, steeley, steeley. damn, damn, damn.
When will grows some Black balls? You’re so far up the white man’s ass, the brightness must seem like the second coming for ya.
Who’s worse steeley damn or the Black woman nut (someone posted it yesterday) whom spoke to a repug crowd? (trick question)
June 20th, 2009 at 4:20 pmJane E. Schneider Says:
Santo Gnende Says:
WHY argue WITH bilboDildoo…..besideS Zeooy aND ANGEl81 he one of OF the biggEST Dumbasses here …
June 20th, 2009 at 3:40 pm Add Karma Recommend (1)
Okay, who accidentally hit the ‘recommend’ for this one? (I find it hard to believe that it was done on purpose.)
June 20th, 2009 at 4:20 pmI’n guessing jimmy redsox…
342. ralph the wonder locust Says: hanshiro, it strikes me that your propensity for name-calling really bolsters your argument whenever you employ that tactic. Well done. Keep fighting the good fight.
There are those that understand nothing else, particularly when their pet illusions are exploded. Lack of answers make the disciples violent. It doesn’t surprise me.
The collectives are always the last to recognize the danger…
June 20th, 2009 at 4:20 pmHas steele apologized for denying he apologized for calling Obama a liar yet?
June 20th, 2009 at 4:21 pmAh, I see… it’s our fault that you have to resort to name-calling. So sorry for forcing you to take those drastic measures.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:24 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
342. ralph the wonder locust Says: hanshiro, it strikes me that your propensity for name-calling really bolsters your argument whenever you employ that tactic. Well done. Keep fighting the good fight.
There are those that understand nothing else, particularly when their pet illusions are exploded. Lack of answers make the disciples violent. It doesn’t surprise me
So, you’re admitting that your verbal violence comes from a lack of answers? Good job, confronting your weaknesses is the first step to overcoming them. Next admit that you are powerless and need a higher power to help you, then make a fearless inventory of your faults and damaging acts you’ve commited over the years, and then get back to me and we’ll start the next set of steps.
And thanks for sharing….
June 20th, 2009 at 4:25 pmWhat? You don’t believe me?!
You have a choice too but you seem to have made a bad one. What do you hope to accomplish? You want everyone to agree with you? I don’t. I got your source right here in my shorts.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:27 pmSanto Gnende Says:
WHY does ZOeey alway run away when i cOME AROUND====I MUst not BE A Troll then BECause zoEEY aLWAYS CHASEs trools….SCARED ZOEY??????hahahahaha!!!!
June 20th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
First, I’d have to care.
Get back on your meds, nutcase.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:27 pmFunny how a poster who reacted so strongly to being called “dude” has no problem calling others “moron”, “coward” or “tragically uniformed” simply because they fail to agree with him…
takes all kinds, I guess.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:28 pmhanshiro the antlion maybe you should just retreat from the discussion until you can compose yourself enought to engage in a civil way. Until you do just remember that most of us don’t respond well to elitist lectures from dickheads.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:30 pm350.ralph the wonder locust Says: Ah, I see… it’s our fault that you have to resort to name-calling. So sorry for forcing you to take those drastic measures.
No, Ralph. It’s your fault for cowering from the real events that Obama is committing to, which you blithely ignore. The name-calling is what you’d prefer, because information, links, informed sources, by your own admission, none of these interests you as you rejected them outright.
You don’t want discussion, you don’t want information, you want to be among slavish agreement without question. My raising the nasty turn of events means you have to reevaluate your judgment; and that is so repugnant to you that you’d rather attack the agent of that revelation rather than confront your own ignorance and duplicity.
It’s a bug, not a feature.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:31 pmhanshirodude, the only bug here is the one that up your ass.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:33 pmSee the resemblance to Stateofthedivision. I believe they’re the same poster with the same objective. I find it better to ignore them both.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:35 pmSanto Gnende Says:
tHE WeaTHer IS great HEre in SAN Dieego…WRONG…..hahahah….nice tRY janey and wayney….try ANother guess….
Oh, so you’re not a lawyer from San Diego. You’re just a regular a$$hole. My mistake. Sorry to offend the lawyers out there by assuming this “person” was one of you.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:37 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
You don’t want discussion, you don’t want information, you want to be among slavish agreement without question.
I challenge you to point to one post you have made that indicated that you wanted to have a discussion.
It has to be one with no condescention or namecalling as behavior such as that disqualifies you.
I think you just want to “tell us how it is” and when we don’t listen like obedient children you digress into a big wet molten puddle of bile.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:42 pmGnende
You stupid punkass troll go play in traffic and STFU
June 20th, 2009 at 4:43 pmSo does this mean you take responsibility for your name-calling?
Your reasoning puzzles me. Perhaps because it’s based on fundamental misunderstandings.
I don’t “prefer” name-calling, first of all, and I wonder what reasoning you used to reach that conclusion? You claim that “by my own admission”, information, links, informed sources don’t interest me.
You obviously misunderstood my lack of interest. I said (I thought quite clearly) that your argument doesn’t interest me. You keep conflating “facts” with “you argument”. They are two different things, and it would help you if you kept that in mind.
The reason your argument doesn’t interest me is that I already have judged that your conclusions are intemperate and not inline with my own perspective. Yes, I know that Obama has failed to do some important things as President. I have a little more patience with him than you do, and you assume that this means I am some “Obamaphile”. Why would I continue to debate someone who makes leaps like that? There’s no point. Hence my disinterest.
I thought my reputation around here was a little more reasonable than that; in fact, I think most of the posters I respect here would not recognize me in this description you offer.
It actually sounds like a description calculated to dismiss the ideas of another without any effort. Whether that serves your purpose or not, I can’t say.
I reevaluate my judgment all the time. Why do you assume that it is “repugnant” to me? Simply because I haven’t accepted your assessment of the president’s performance without question?
I also confront my own ignorance all the time. I confront it by doing research and striving to inform myself. If you think I’d rather “attack” than inform myself, then I think your judgment is a little skewed. “Duplicity” is another matter, as I’m not even sure what you mean by that charge in this context.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:45 pm(sigh) I suppose you’re right, Shayne…
June 20th, 2009 at 4:46 pmEeewwwww, “Fox News Personality” Greta Van Susteren threw out the first pitch at the Mets game — oh, noes! :(
June 20th, 2009 at 4:46 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
337. kdgamergirl Says:
Again, you’re ignoring the inconvenient:
The administration’s lawyers could have simply argued, for example, that the plaintiff’s had no standing. There was no need to invoke legal theories that were not only offensive on their face, but which could put at risk future legal efforts on behalf of our civil rights.
Again, I said I disagree with the justification used in the brief. I’ve said it several times now. I found it offensive and I have stated so but I fail to see what that has to do with the President. He has no control over the DOJ.
I ask once again, why is this not legal in your opinion? You haven’t explained, merely launched into verbose, but documentedly threadbare dispute of the statement. Restating your original claim doesn’t strengthen your position because the contradiction I posted by informed authority goes unanswered.
That goes for you too hypocrite. What is it you’re asking me about what’s legal? DADT or DOMA? I stated that I have experience with DADT not DOMA. I was in the military I think that qualifies me to comment on it. What don’t you get about me not approving of the legal justification DOMA? Stop assuming I approved of it when I have stated several times I was mad about it. I wrote to the DOJ, my senators and the White House instead of whining like you do.
And before Obama claims he didn’t have a choice, he had a choice. Bush, Reagan and Clinton all filed briefs in court opposing current federal law as being unconstitutional
Again it is the DOJ’s job to deal with the legalities not Obama’s and again I have expressed my displeasure with this stance in a productive manner.
You don’t confront this either, nor do you entertain the legal possibilities open to Obama. Both sources I’ve cited are lawyers. You’ve provided no authoritative sources to dispute mine; no sources at all, merely impatient faulty opinion.
Pot meet kettle. You’re the impatient one. You expect Obama to have magically cleaned up every mess in this country in five months. By the sound of your arguments you expect Obama to grant your every wish.
Here’s a link explaining how the anti gay policies are used in the UCMJ:
http://www.glbtq.com/social-sciences/military_law_us.html
Clearly, the sodomy law needs to be dealt with. Again, a job for Congress not the President.
Still not posting any solutions I see. Just the same angry, hateful bile.
Do better or don’t post to informed sources.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:48 pmhanshiro Claims:
You don’t want discussion, you don’t want information, you want to be among slavish agreement without question.
ralph Responds:
I thought my reputation around here was a little more reasonable than that; in fact, I think most of the posters I respect here would not recognize me in this description you offer.
You are right, ralph. He wasn’t talking about you, he was talking about himself. The projection is strong with this one, too.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:50 pmkdgamergirl Says:
I pity the fool!
nice smackdown……
June 20th, 2009 at 4:58 pmFred Says:
kdgamergirl Says:
I pity the fool!
nice smackdown……
Thank you much :)
Ralph, you are a perfectly reasonable person. Anything hanshiro the impatient troll has said isn’t true. I enjoy your posts.
June 20th, 2009 at 5:00 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
Funny how a poster who reacted so strongly to being called “dude” has no problem calling others “moron”, “coward” or “tragically uniformed” simply because they fail to agree with him…
takes all kinds, I guess.
It’s more like “doo” than “dude.”
June 20th, 2009 at 5:00 pmI’ll need someone to pick up a dry rub for the ribs on their way if you want to handle that ralph. I have plenty of greens but again feel free to bring any special needs foods. Now about breakfast. I sort of dig just fresh fruits but I suppose a bunch of still drunk folks will need some fried stuff. Corned beef hash, homefries, scarmbled eggs and bloodies okay with you all? I can have plenty of yougurt and granola about as well. Disc golf anyone?
June 20th, 2009 at 5:01 pmAnd I have a few questions for our impatient troll… What do you actually do about your anger other than take it out on others? Do you communicate with the proper sources? You know, people who can actually do something like the DOJ, White House, your state senators and reps? What do you even do to serve this country other than whine?
I expect another ranting fest instead of an actual answer but who knows? I might be surprised.
June 20th, 2009 at 5:03 pmralph
June 20th, 2009 at 5:04 pmthe agenda blinds the mind. Leave it. There is no point. Dialogue is futile at this point. Pretend righteousness rules the day…
dbadass Says:
I’ll need someone to pick up a dry rub for the ribs on their way if you want to handle that ralph. I have plenty of greens but again feel free to bring any special needs foods. Now about breakfast. I sort of dig just fresh fruits but I suppose a bunch of still drunk folks will need some fried stuff. Corned beef hash, homefries, scarmbled eggs and bloodies okay with you all? I can have plenty of yougurt and granola about as well. Disc golf anyone?
Good job D! I’m hungry now :)
June 20th, 2009 at 5:04 pmdbadass Says:
ralph
the agenda blinds the mind. Leave it. There is no point. Dialogue is futile at this point. Pretend righteousness rules the day…
The rant fests are kind of funny actual. It’s like watching a child throw a tantrum.
June 20th, 2009 at 5:05 pmwhoops actually*
June 20th, 2009 at 5:06 pmI’ll need Jane to make a cider run as Wayne is laid up…
June 20th, 2009 at 5:07 pmdbadass, so far the menu sounds fine, although mimosas are always a nice accompaniment for the non-hungover folks. (BTW, I only just now had my ‘breakfast’ of yogurt and granola.)
June 20th, 2009 at 5:11 pmWorking on it, dbadass!
June 20th, 2009 at 5:11 pmMimosas would be great!
June 20th, 2009 at 5:13 pmWill anybody be offended if I ask Selsi to provide the entertainment? We are all adults correct? I hired the Privacy Center towell you know keep it on the dl. Borgen hasn’t responded to my request for funds yet. Seems he is pretending to be crab fishing in the Bering…
June 20th, 2009 at 5:19 pmKdgamergirl, I’ll take care of bringing the mimosa ingredients. I just can’t drink bloody marys!
What I want to know is, when is President Obama gonna stop the freaking rain here?!! Jebus!
June 20th, 2009 at 5:20 pmwhy do I get the feeling that I am going to drink too much and make a poorly constructed pass at kdgamergirl?
June 20th, 2009 at 5:27 pmI don’t know, dbadass, but be sure that we’ll all be there taking notes to remind you about when you sober up!
June 20th, 2009 at 5:29 pmlol I’ll let it slide if you want to make a pass at me :)
and yay for mimosa ingrediants Jane!
June 20th, 2009 at 5:30 pmKdgamergirl
June 20th, 2009 at 5:32 pmThat wasn’t really an appropriate joke. I apologize. I am totaly harmless. I am thinking that a quality game of bocci should go down if others aren’t into disc golf…
and sorry about the capital K. I have this thing about names…
June 20th, 2009 at 5:33 pmthnak ou
Film izle
June 20th, 2009 at 5:34 pmdbadass Says:
Kdgamergirl
That wasn’t really an appropriate joke. I apologize. I am totaly harmless. I am thinking that a quality game of bocci should go down if others aren’t into disc golf…
Oh it’s okay. It made me laugh actually.
June 20th, 2009 at 5:35 pmthanl you
Lez Sohbet
June 20th, 2009 at 5:37 pmthank you
Muhabbet
June 20th, 2009 at 5:39 pmsinealem Says:
Hey, dbadass, your entertainment’s here early!
AmericasBack, so far this thread seems to be so much more fun than talking about Harry Reid. ;)
June 20th, 2009 at 5:39 pmthank you
Cinsel Sohbet
June 20th, 2009 at 5:41 pmI refuse to pay extra for the Turkish porn arriving early. Does anyone mind if I use Jimmy Big Bucks hard earned money?
June 20th, 2009 at 5:53 pmThere’s a movie called The Fluffer. I used to giggle when people rented it when I worked at a video store.
June 20th, 2009 at 5:55 pmYou obviously haven’t just fallen off that turnip truck.I may have to reconsider…
June 20th, 2009 at 6:00 pmAmericasBack, how about somewhere a little further north up the east coast? Dbadass and I are in the northeast (freakin’ rain!)
dbadass, should I bring extra champagne? ;)
June 20th, 2009 at 6:12 pmI’m in California so the East Coast is far :(
Oh well it’ll be a good traveling experience!
June 20th, 2009 at 6:14 pm“The intelligent ones are the best! (I’ve always liked the smart geeky types myself)”
AmericasBack, where were you when I was young and single? ;) (Probably just a twinkle in somebody’s eye!)
June 20th, 2009 at 6:29 pmkdgamergirl
June 20th, 2009 at 6:29 pmThere are these things called planes although they leave a major carbon imprint…
395 AmericasBack
I am deeply offended by your graphic depiction of a disgusting act.
It is not called that which you wrote and I won’t repeat it.
It is called a “Sean Hannity”
June 20th, 2009 at 6:40 pmI THANK
June 20th, 2009 at 6:48 pmSesli Sohbet
Sesli Chat
SesliSohbet
SesliChat
Flag the porn spammer.
June 20th, 2009 at 6:55 pmI suppose I could hop on a plane but tickets are expensive :(
June 20th, 2009 at 7:04 pmWell, if db wouldn’t taunt the poor porn spammer…
June 20th, 2009 at 7:07 pmArgh… More jumproping. Atleast the sun goes down early in the winter…
June 20th, 2009 at 7:11 pmTHanks for the back-up, Wayne, kdgamergirl and dbadass…
I’ll be glad to get the dry rub. Anything special I should look for?
This is turning out to be a great party! Are we inviting ALL of the porn spammers?
June 20th, 2009 at 7:20 pm417 ralph the wonder locust
Please don’t.
For sure, they will bring their friends of the VD crew.
June 20th, 2009 at 7:23 pmAnytime Ralph :)
I wonder where the impatient troll went?
June 20th, 2009 at 7:32 pmSomeone let Zooey know I’m in Fargo, wouldja?
June 20th, 2009 at 7:34 pmI think I’m at the east end of town, but it could be the south.
Not sure, everything looks the same.
I’ll climb up on the hood, see if I can get a look around.
AmericasBack, if you’re driving up I-95 can you pick me up at SR-16 in St. Johns County. The heat index here is 110 right now. Could I suggest meeting everyone else in Maryland for steamed crabs and a couple kegs of beer?
June 20th, 2009 at 8:00 pmnoseeum Says:
Someone let Zooey know I’m in Fargo, wouldja?
I think I’m at the east end of town, but it could be the south.
Not sure, everything looks the same.
I’ll climb up on the hood, see if I can get a look around.
June 20th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Look west, over the Rockies. :-D
No sleep til Brooklyn!!!
June 20th, 2009 at 8:04 pmPachy, I forgot about the humidity. Can we meet out west? :|
June 20th, 2009 at 8:07 pmMy point exactly: (via Greenwald:)
Is our posters learning yet?
June 20th, 2009 at 8:19 pmNow you’re talking! I haven’t had a good blue crab since I left the East Coast.
June 20th, 2009 at 8:21 pmZooey Says:
Jesus f ucking christ, all hell is breaking loose in Tehran.
Countdown to the Republics coming out to claim the violence is all President Obama’s fault.
The thing that is so sad about the Republics is that if Obama had come out of the gate yelling about a stolen election and “power to the people”, they would have criticized him for taking that position.
June 20th, 2009 at 8:26 pmDang it! Would you people, please, stop talking about seafood? Living in Minnesota, it’s nigh impossible to get fresh seafood. We have our own delicacies like Walleye and fresh brook trout but fresh crab, shrimp, lobster, or even a decent broiled mackerel simply don’t exist in these parts.
(Too be fair. There are a couple restaurants that fly in fresh seafood daily but they require a second mortgage or a first-born son in payment and still can’t compete with my favorite recipes.)
June 20th, 2009 at 8:46 pmThe average person hereabouts in New Mexico doesn’t know what a lobster looks like.
They also think real maple syrup “tastes weird”…
June 20th, 2009 at 8:50 pmnoseeum Says:
The average person hereabouts in New Mexico doesn’t know what a lobster looks like.
They also think real maple syrup “tastes weird”…
June 20th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
People in Idaho think sourdough bread is disgusting. They just don’t appreciate the food of the gods.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:08 pmnoseeum Says
I was spoiled. I spent several years in San Diego and my Dad grew up just outside Boston. One of my uncles was a lobster fisherman and visiting “Back East” was an excuse to eat 24/7.
Actually, the lobster isn’t such an issue. They’re not quite the same out of an aquarium but they are still fresh. What I really miss are the bay scallops, flounder, and real clam chowder.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:09 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
The thing that is so sad about the Republics is that if Obama had come out of the gate yelling about a stolen election and “power to the people”, they would have criticized him for taking that position.
June 20th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Absolutely, Bilbo. Whatever position Obama takes on anything will be wrong, according to the whackjobs on the right. That’s why bipartisanship is a frackin’ joke.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:10 pmSeafood sounds good but idk if that goes well with mimosas.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:13 pmWait a minute, Zooey. Sourdough is an acquired taste I could never quite acquire.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:14 pmpete Says:
Wait a minute, Zooey. Sourdough is an acquired taste I could never quite acquire.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Seriously? I can still taste the sourdough bread, fresh out of the oven, on Fisherman’s Wharf. Mmmmm…
I’m going to take a wild guess that the remainder of your diet does not consist of elk, venison, wild turkey, taters, and Kokanee beer — cuz I’m pretty sure you’re not from northern Idaho. ;)
June 20th, 2009 at 9:21 pmMmm… sourdough…
What ticks me off is processed bread that claims it’s “sourdough” but tastes just like regular bread.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:24 pmZooey, I would gladly meet anywhere where the temperature is below 90. The weather channel at 9:08 reports 92 – 102 heat index here.
I just got back from walking a dog that one of my neighbors is sheltering for the local pound. It’s a pregnant German Shepard that was found wandering the roads in an area with a lot of foreclosed $250,000+ homes. The dog couldn’t wait to get back inside in front of a fan and I’m dripping wet. Oh for an Arctic front right now!
My neighbor works nights and gave me a key to his place and bought me several cases of beer for walking and checking in on the dog, but damn it, it is too hot to even drink beer!
June 20th, 2009 at 9:25 pmkdgamergirl Says:
Seafood sounds good but idk if that goes well with mimosas.
Mimosas go with the breakfast, right?
June 20th, 2009 at 9:29 pmJust before and after the eggs benedict.
We can save the seafood for lunch.
ralph the wonder locust Says:
Mmm… sourdough…
What ticks me off is processed bread that claims it’s “sourdough” but tastes just like regular bread.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
That’s what I can get in Idaho. Bait & switch, damn it…
June 20th, 2009 at 9:31 pmPachydiplax de St. Augustine Says:
Zooey, I would gladly meet anywhere where the temperature is below 90. The weather channel at 9:08 reports 92 – 102 heat index here.
…
My neighbor works nights and gave me a key to his place and bought me several cases of beer for walking and checking in on the dog, but damn it, it is too hot to even drink beer!
June 20th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
We had a lovely 70 degree day, no humidity. Perfect. :)
It seems WAY too early for things to be that hot, even that far south, Pachy. Are these temps unusual?
How is it possible that it’s too hot to drink beer? ;)
June 20th, 2009 at 9:34 pmNo worries, AmericasBack, the free market will handle it.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:41 pm/snark
AmericasBack, if you have a CD player I have a selection of music including Tommy Dorsey, Frank Sinatra, Mel Torme, Grateful Dead, Billy Joel, Enya, Sade, some opera, lots of classical and the Prague Funfair Band but no Contemporary Christian music.
Zooey, the problem with drinking beer in this heat is that you feel wasted after 2 or 3 beers and alcohol dehydrates you, so they say.
I would suggest everyone meet at Holling’s Bar in Cicily, Alaska but I wouldn’t want to chance running into the Palin family. How about Ruby’s Cafe in Dog River, Saskatchewan?
June 20th, 2009 at 9:57 pmWell, Zooey, I eat most anything that can be hunted or collected from the wild. We’re a little thin on elk but plenty of venison, wild turkey, freshwater fish, wild asparagus, morel and puff-ball mushrooms, ducks/geese, pheasant, grouse, rabbit, squirrel, and most any critter not protected.
Heck! If I can catch it? I can kill it, clean it, cook it and eat it. I’ve even tried beaver (disappointing) and raccoon (makes a great sloppy joe).
I’m not familiar with Kokanee beer but, I’m a big fan of Leinenkugel’s.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:57 pmZooey, yes these temperatures are unusual this early. I feel sorry for the horses hauling tourists around in the Historic District. They have it a lot worse than the horses in New York’s Central Park.
If you talk to 5th Estate tell him I did cut off all my hair, 1/4″ buzz cut, and tighten up my hat by 4 holes!
June 20th, 2009 at 10:07 pmYou had me up until the Prague Funfair Band. :)
June 20th, 2009 at 10:07 pmAre ‘they’ the same evildoers concocting the bittersweet brew they relentlessly drive me to drink?
If we could get government to tamp down on the free market, I wouldn’t have to drink the all the beer they make me drink.
Thanks, Marketplace. For ruining my liver.
(kidding)
June 20th, 2009 at 10:12 pmBackup, sounds like all those beer commercials on TV have been getting to you. Use the remote! ;)
June 20th, 2009 at 10:16 pmI love good beer and I don’t think advertising has anything to do with it. Why? Because I rarely see/hear a commercial for a beer I like.
Most American beer is, as Eric Idle said; “like making love in a canoe. It’s phucking close to water“.
If we’re drinking a German lager, a British ale, or even a nice stout (especially with a good cigar)? count me in. But I can’t come up with a single national brand I would buy.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:26 pm(NOTE: Free beer is “good” regardless of brand.)
Jane. maybe you’re right.
I have been drinking more. I also have ordered a couple hundred ShamWows, two dozen Slap Chops, and a lifetime membership to Girls Gone Wild, and Jeff Paul’s Shortcut’s to Millions internet system.
I’d use the remote to change the channel, but the batteries are dead and the spares are all the way in the kitchen.
Got to go. P90X. Muscle confusion…
June 20th, 2009 at 10:27 pmnoseeum Says:
kdgamergirl Says:
Seafood sounds good but idk if that goes well with mimosas.
Mimosas go with the breakfast, right?
Just before and after the eggs benedict.
We can save the seafood for lunch.
Good point! If anyone has an objection to hot weather then we can’t meet in California. It’s overcast right now but I give it a few days to get to 110 or something else horrible.
I like the turn this conversation has taken :)
June 20th, 2009 at 10:30 pmpete. I dig free beer. (I also dig San Diego, nice choice).
I’ve been drinking a lot of White Hawk (India Pale Ale) from the Menocino Brewing Company:
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/2516/4970
It’s got a little bit of a bite with 7% abv.
I’m also a Sierra Nevada fan. Especially, if I can get it on tap.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:34 pmYou’re in the wrong part of California, then. Along the Ventura coast, it’s been in the sixties and seventies for weeks.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:57 pm______
Purple State Says:
Here’s the whole idea about “lies” with this issue of health care.
When a proposal is brought before you at work, what is the reaction? If someone says that they are committed to something, but there is doubt in that commitment, I would treat the situation with skepticism, as I am treating the health-care debate, but to come out and yell “LIAR!” at someone…that shows that there is absolutely no trust in someone.
To jump at the bit and blame the President of being a liar…about what? He’s lying that he’s not committed? There’s a difference between attempting something (as Obama is trying to do) and assuring the American people that it will work (as Steele is imagining).
June 20th, 2009 at 10:14 am
_______
The difference is that Steele takes, “I’ve made a firm commitment that health care reform will not add to the federal budget deficit over the next decade,” to mean that it will not add to the deficit while you take it to mean maybe it won’t add to the deficit. ;)
June 20th, 2009 at 11:03 pmBUSH DISRESPECTED EVERY AMERICAN. BUSH DISRESPECTED THE NATION AMERICANS SO DEARLY HOLD AND WHAT IT STANDS FOR.
MILLIONS OF AMERICANS HAVE LOST THEIR HOMES, THEIR CAREERS, THEIR ECONOMIC BASE, THEIR LOVED ONES WHILE BUSH AND HIS CRONIES MAKE RIDICULOUS AND OBSCENE AMOUNTS MONEY PUBLISHING MEMOIRS.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:04 pmThe weather here is muggy as Hell. It’s still about 80 with 75% humidity. Yuck! My car doesn’t even run right in this weather. It’s been going for three days and all the cooling storms are passing North or South.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:09 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
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kdgamergirl Says:
Good point! If anyone has an objection to hot weather then we can’t meet in California. It’s overcast right now but I give it a few days to get to 110 or something else horrible.
You’re in the wrong part of California, then. Along the Ventura coast, it’s been in the sixties and seventies for weeks.
I’m by Pasadena and it’s okay here now. Almost looks as thought it might rain. I’m just waiting for the hot spells so I can lock myself in the house with the AC on full blast.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:18 pmKeith, I sang in Prague on a concert tour and ran across these guys playing on the street playing an accordion, violin, double bass, flute and fagot and singing. Several choir members bought their CD. They were classically trained and very entertaining. I saw them again on a Rick Steves’ Travels in Europe episode from Prague under a different name.
I also discovered Pilzner Urquell, the world’s first Pilsner beer, brewed in Pilzn, Czech. Its availabe in the U.S. now.
My eclectic music also includes a group called La Nef doing Music for Joan the Mad and Musica Ficta performing Francisco Guerrero’s Motecta. Both of the albums are music from 15th and 16th century Spain , during the Reconquista, and have Moorish influence.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:31 pmralph and kdgamergirl, didn’t realize you lived there. I’m on the central coast. Next few days are supposed to be highs of 70 and lows of 51. Zooey hates it when I rub it in! :)
June 20th, 2009 at 11:32 pmPachydiplax de St. Augustine,
June 20th, 2009 at 11:38 pmI would probably like the Prague band if I heard them. I was just trying to be funny. They played a fagot???
I’ve had that beer in Britain and France. Never been to Czech republic. Would like to someday. Karlovy Vary looks great in the Casino Royal film.
I meant to ask what you sing.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:43 pm(WordPress told me off for posting too quickly. Said “Slow Down”.)
Maybe someone can help me out? About thirty years ago I had a German malt liquor called “Special 28″. It was 28 proof and delicious but I can’t recall the brand. I haven’t seen it since and don’t get any hits online. Does that ring any bells out there?
June 20th, 2009 at 11:53 pmKeith, the fagot is what we call an oboe I think. Prague is a great city and I believe the 1st Mission Impossible movie was filmed there. Our tour guide said the palace guards at the Prague Castle adopted the Hollywood uniforms used in the movie over their former uniforms. The Charles Bridge, also featured in a scene in the movie is a tourist destination, but watch out for the pickpockets.
I was intrigued by the sidewalks and squares that were made of small square stone pieces. The people who installed them were very artistic. Prague also has a good streetcar system and very inexpensive to ride.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:58 pmI used to live in Laguna Beach. (favorite place on the planet). I’m interested in what the California people think is the answer to the state’s budget crisis.
June 21st, 2009 at 12:01 amKeith, I sang bass with a college choir. The choir sang liturgical music and many of our concerts in Europe were sung as part of a church service. We sang masses with Latin lyrics but also did songs in German, French, Spanish and English.
June 21st, 2009 at 12:16 amKeith, it behooves me to add that we were an A Capella choir and memorized all the music. Sometimes when the choir was just sightseeing the choir director would have the choir sing a song or two while we gave people fliers advertising our next concert. Many times we sang impromptu concerts in restaurants we ate at and hotels we stayed at. They were great ice breakers for locals and resulted in many nights of free beer.
June 21st, 2009 at 12:33 amI have had the pleasure of tasting Pilsner Urquell in what was then Czechoslovakia. Magnificent. Absolutely the best beer I’ve ever tasted anywhere.
June 21st, 2009 at 12:41 ampete, sounds like a doppelbock. Here are 467:
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/style/35
one is EKU-28 that is 22 proof. Some are 32 proof. My favorite name is “Lobotomy Bock” (I’d rather have a bottle in front of me than have to have a frontal lobotomy).
Pachydiplax de St. Augustine, sounds like a good time. I should go there. Always liked Kafka.
backup, get in the Wayback Machine and do not recall Gray Davis, and do recount Florida’s 2000 vote.
You guys, now I’m dying to go to my favorite watering hole and have a big Sierra Nevada.
June 21st, 2009 at 12:43 amThat’s it, Keith! EKU-28. Yum. And now I have to commence a search for a local distributor.
June 21st, 2009 at 12:52 ampete,
If you register with that beeradvocate site, they will tell you where you can buy it.
Alternatively, you can email the brewery:
info@kulmbacher.de
dang, I’m thirsty!
June 21st, 2009 at 1:04 amKeith Says:
ralph and kdgamergirl, didn’t realize you lived there. I’m on the central coast. Next few days are supposed to be highs of 70 and lows of 51. Zooey hates it when I rub it in! :)
Always nice to talk to a fellow Californian :)
June 21st, 2009 at 2:11 amkdgamergirl Says:
Always nice to talk to a fellow Californian :)
I’m a “Calisnowtan”. I was born, and spent most of my life, in Minnesota but some of my formative years were spent in San Diego.
Perhaps that’s why I’ve been a “mixed up kid” for most of my life?
June 21st, 2009 at 2:25 amTo Jimmeh,
Considering your lack of spelling skills and ignorance of the existence of the apostrophe in English, it is hard to believe that you could even graduate from a no-name community college, unless, of course, you used family connections like Dumbya.
Jimmy Loves Bucks says:
June 21st, 2009 at 10:56 amyou even fail at beig a pretend eletist(SIC). Youre(SIC) just another middle aged, lower middle class pencil pusher from a no name community college.
There is an epidemic of mental leprosy raging through the Retardican Party. They need a Single Payer health care system more than anyone.
June 21st, 2009 at 11:35 amkdgamergirl Says:
Always nice to talk to a fellow Californian :)
June 21st, 2009 at 2:11 am
I’m a Californian, born and bred! I just happen to live in Idaho. :-D
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:53 amThank you…
Sesli Chat
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:25 amSesli Sohbet
Sesli Chat
Sesli Sohbet
Seslikent
SesliChat
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STEPIN FETCHIT!
Sorry, I had to get that off my chest.
UNCLE TOM!
I get hotheaded from time to time, so I just want to let folks know that in the last segment, I went a little strong in my response to Steele’s comment.
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:20 pm