Former Rep. Tom Davis To Elderly Woman With Diabetes: ‘Good Luck’ Finding Health Insurance
Former Rep. Tom Davis To Elderly Woman With Diabetes: ‘Good Luck’ Finding Health Insurance
On CSPAN’s Washington Journal yesterday, former Republican congressman Tom Davis received a call from an elderly woman named Dorothy, who said that because she has diabetes, health insurance companies “reject” her. “They don’t even want to accept me,” said Dorothy. “Is that, is that possible they could get away with that? That seems like discriminating.”
Davis responded by saying that he understood her “dilemma” and that she probably wouldn’t be able to retire by 62 as she desires. Advising her that she’d be alright if she found “a job with a major employer,” Davis said it would be “difficult” on her own:
DAVIS: I don’t think you’ll find, probably be able to find some health insurance but if its with a small business or you’re going out on your own, it’s difficult at this point. There may be a government plan or private plans that are mandated coming out of this that are maybe able to help you. … I don’t know any reason why you shouldn’t be able to find something out there, but you want to look for an employer that has a health care plan. Good luck.
Later in the show, another caller criticized Davis for his “good luck” response, saying that it “encapsulates the entire Republican Party’s attitude towards any problems that are facing the American people today.” Davis replied that he didn’t mean “good luck” as a “kiss off,” but just as “good luck to you as you try to move through this problem.” Watch it:
Beyond responding to Dorothy with seeming callousness, Davis’ answer to her problem is also contradictory in its approach to a public health care option.
Davis first tells Dorothy that “a government plan” may “be able to help you.” (Which is true.) But when challenged by the later caller, he argued, “I don’t know that she can count on Washington to solve it for her.” In the next sentence, however, he said that she “can probably get some relief” when she qualifies for Medicare, which is government-provided. A NYT/CBS News poll this weekend found that 72 percent of Americans support creating a public health insurance option.
Transcript:
HOST: We’ll go to Dorothy from Newport Ritchie, Florida. Good morning, welcome to the program.DOROTHY: Yes, good morning. I’d like to talk about health care. I’m in a predicament right now. I have diabetes, I’ve been shopping around, I’d like to retire at 62 and I’m having a difficult time. All — most insurance companies, they reject me for having diabetes. They don’t even want to accept me. Is that, is that possible they could get away with that? That seems like discriminating. I didn’t ask to be, to have diabetes or be sick, whatever. And…
DAVIS: Do you have adult, is it adult onset diabetes?
DOROTHY: Yes. Type 2. I’m only on the pill. I try to watch my weight, my diet, I exercise. So they, they say they cannot accept me. I’m not asking for free, I’m willing to go up to a certain amount per month that I could afford and I’m a difficult time. I don’t know that the people in Congress, the people in the Senate, they don’t have a problem. We put them there, they are set for life with their insurance.
HOST: Well, Dorothy, let me ask you. There’s a story this morning, front page of the New York Times, there’s a new CBS News/New York Times poll that says two things. First of all, 85 percent of those respondents said that the health care system needed to be fundamentally changed. Seventy-seven percent said that they were very or somewhat satisfied with the quality of their own care.
DOROTHY: Yes, but well, I don’t know where they get those numbers from. I spoke to many people, I work in retail and I’ve been in contact with, you know, customers and I speak to them about it on this side. I hear their comments about health care and no one is satisfied.
DAVIS: Well, Dorothy, let me, let me say a couple things. First of all, you know, I understand the dilemma you’re in. I don’t know if you’ll be able to retire at 62 or not. Frankly, I mean all of our 401Ks are down. I wish I could retire at 62. I think you’re going to find Americans working longer than they had originally anticipated, given the economic downturn and some of the economic realities. If you can find a job with a major employer, they’re not going to be able to reject you under those cases. I don’t think you’ll find, probably be able to find some health insurance but if its with a small business or you’re going out on your own, it’s difficult at this point. There may be a government plan or private plans that are mandated coming out of this that are maybe able to help you. But diabetes, particularly adult onset, is controlable. If you watch your weight, if you exercise, watch what you eat and, you know, continue I guess in this case to take your medication. I don’t know any reason why you shouldn’t be able to find something out there, but you want to look for an employer that has a health care plan. Good luck.
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HOST: Our next caller is from Leslie Maryland, good morning.
CALLER: Good morning, gentleman, how are you?
HOST: Fine, thank you.
CALLER: Yeah, a little background here. I live in Maryland’s 5th district, Steny Hoyer is my representative. I am however, what I refer to as a progressive American independent
HOST: What does that mean?
CALLER: That means I have very progressive social values — and I see Tom smiling there as most Republicans would. But let me inform you that I spent seven years in Navy Special Operations and my birthday is 4/13/55, Thomas Jefferson’s birthday is 4/13/1743. So, I have a great deal of respect for Thomas Jefferson, who I think would be rolling over in his grave if he saw what was happening in the country today. But let me move on, I don’t want to waste a lot of time.
DAVIS: Probably all of the founding fathers would be rolling over right now.
CALLER: I’ll make, I’ll make my comment then I’ll get off the phone. Anyway, one of the things that I noticed this morning was Tom’s reaction to the woman who called looking for the job with health care and his final statement was “good luck,” which I think encapsulates the entire Republican party’s attitude towards any problems that are facing the American people today. I also have a master’s degree in economics.
HOST: Did you want to respond to Rick?
DAVIS: Well, congratulations on — well, I wish her good luck at this point. We’ll see what comes out of the health care plan. It wasn’t a “good luck, you’re on your own type of thing.” I think we all feel for people that are in those kinds of positions. But it’s very difficult. When you start having the government take care of everybody with a problem, as I said you’re doing it with borrowed money, what you want to see is — these are not simple solutions. It is progressive to continue to borrow money, to spend to take care of people’s problems. This tends to be a pretty inefficient way of doing things, number one. And number two, down the pike, somebody has to pay for it. I think I’m fairly progressive in my views as well. I was the head of a county government before I came to Washington and had to run it, inherited a pretty big deficit and was selected two years later, after making a number of changes, as the best financially-run county in the country. So I look at governance as a very very tough business and I don’t think “good luck” was like a kiss off. I would generally say good luck to you as you try to move through this problem. But I don’t know that she can count on Washington to solve it for her. She will be eligible for Medicare in 3 years. And at that point, you can probably get some relief on some of the issues she’s looking for. She wanted to retire at 62 years old. We’d all like to retire at 62 years old, but I’m not so sure government can guarantee that people can just retire at 62 years old or that we should be doing those kind of things and maybe that’s where I part company with the caller.
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More of that “compassionate conservatism” shining through again………
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:24 pmThe scumbags with (R)associated with their names today would make Richard M. Nixon become a democrat.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:26 pmWhat? You don’t have the free Congressional health plan?
Good luck to you with that.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:26 pmFunny, patsy.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:29 pmCan we just make an offer to the bozos in Washington?
I’ll give you my vote when you give me your health plan.
Even up.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:29 pmIt never ceases to amaze me how these wingnuts prefer a insurance company bureacrat driven by the bottom line instead of someone dedicated to serving people.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:29 pmYou’re 62 with diabetes, can’t get private health care, and can’t get a job due to recession. Good luck, lady.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:30 pmJeff Bovine Says:
Flag this asshat into submission.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:30 pmIt isn’t really davis, other repugs, or the blue dog dems that are preventing meaningful healthcare reform.
It is the white house and the democratic leadership – they have what they need to take their case to the public and marginalize the opposition.
They choose not to. They are just quietly capitulating on key aspects of reform even though they have the American public on their side and could rally whatever pressure they needed.
Don’t buy into the lie that obama and other dems have no other choice but to give up!
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:33 pmRepublicans are such a worthless bunch of hypocritical bullies and corporate greedmeisters. And to think that President Obama wants to appoint this partisan GOP creep to be our nation’s cyber-czar? Maybe the electric power distribution system should try disconnecting its vital systems from the Internet. After all, our electric power distribution systems worked fine for a hundred years before the Internet even existed.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:33 pmJeff Bovine is obviously correct in that Soros must be behind this caller because it is a FACT that there are ZERO American families hurting financially in our current healthcare system, Right Jeff?!
If you were to trade in your GOP mis-placed victimization and baseless accusations for a moment of reality, you just might be able to see how badly families are hurting and in need of a better system of healthcare.
Then again avoiding reality is much easier than having to use your brain to come up with reasonable, logical, FACTUAL solutions.
Well done, sir! GOP to the rescue again.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:35 pmSuch short memories – this is also the same obama and democratic leadership that repeatedly capitulated to the most unpopular president in US history.
Is anyone really stoooooooopid enough to believe that where no other options?
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:35 pmAdvising her that she’d be alright if she found “a job with a major employer,”
And, pray tell, Mr. Davis, where might this 62 year old woman find a job with a “major employer”? Huh?
These scumbags are delusional.
No, wait.
They’re flat out f***ing liars and thieves. Period.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:35 pmThe New and Improved! Republican Motto!
“Sux to be you if you ain’t one of us, don’t it?”
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:35 pmDavis: “hurry up and find yourself a job so that you can pay your taxes so that I can keep my health plan. Next caller please?”.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:35 pmJeff Bovine Says:
How can I flag myself, loser? LOL!
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:36 pmMaybe we could get some “reform” if Congress had to pay 33% of THEIR income for health insurance (additional for “family option”) . . . like the folks that clean their hotel room or serve their breakfast . . . “good luck”.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:38 pm…
republican health care plan:
hurry up and die.
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June 22nd, 2009 at 3:40 pmDOROTHY: Yes, good morning. I’d like to talk about health care. I’m in a predicament right now. I have diabetes, I’ve been shopping around, I’d like to retire at 62 and I’m having a difficult time
So she wants to retire early and live off the system the rest of her life? She never said that she does not have insurance now, she just wants to retire early.
I wonder if there will be a rush to dive into her personal life like was done to Joe the Plumber?
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:40 pmI am sick to death with this attitude of health care coverage using the existing health care insurance obtained through employers being set in cement. No! No! No!
A public health care plan has to be an option. And if it doesn’t pass, maybe we should think about re electing a Senate that would fight and vote for a public health care plan, a plan 72% of the people want.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:41 pmWhy, couldn’t he find an old lady who really had diabetes, and no health insurance?
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:41 pmThanks for your concern, Another Joe.
I only wish you had brought this dissatisfaction with our President to our attention sooner.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:41 pmI think the standing rule with our friend JohnM is “OFnF on sight”, correct?
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:42 pmJeff Bovine Says:
Anonymouse/Olby Sucks/Conservative for Progress/American Patriot Says:
Flagged
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June 22nd, 2009 at 3:42 pmTP can you please delete these accounts? Personally, I’m sick of them.
Eh — I’d be willing to give Tom Davis a pass on the “good luck” remark. After all, he outlined fairly accurately this woman’s options within a system that sucks bigtime. If a Democratic Congressman had been asked the same question, I can see him giving more or less the same answer — up to a point.
Where the “GOP” of Tom Davis shows through is his “you need to find an employer with a health care plan” remark, which demonstrates typical GOP short-sightedness. Not only does that suggest contentment with allowing the burden of health care costs to remain on the shoulders of employers (a stupid system for a variety of reasons I won’t get into here), but he shows he has absolutely no idea how difficult it is for people to find ANY job these days — let alone a job with a health plan. Dorothy didn’t say how old she was (at least not in this part of the transcript), but if she’s over 40, she’s going to have a tough time finding another job.
And then, of course, Tom Davis resorts to a basketful of GOP memes in his response to the second caller.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:42 pmActually, it seems that obama and the dims are getting ready to back davis’s view of the woman’s poor possibilities. obama had a perfect setup of the Klein’s shock doctrine scenario to do good things, but he has run to the right and thrown away his support. By the time he and congress finish capitulating to the party of no, most everyone will see that there is one party with two relatively undifferentiated wings, and all owned by the big corps.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:44 pmYou mean the guy who wasn’t going to buy a multi-million dollar business the income from his $40,000/year fake plumber’s job, because he didn’t want to pay an extra $900 on the $280.000/year income he would receive as owner of the mythical company?
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:45 pmShe should run for Congress. I hear they have a great healthcare plan.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:45 pmshoeless Says:
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JohnM Says:
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I wonder if there will be a rush to dive into her personal life like was done to Joe the Plumber?
You mean the guy who wasn’t going to buy a multi-million dollar business the income from his $40,000/year fake plumber’s job, because he didn’t want to pay an extra $900 on the $280.000/year income he would receive as owner of the mythical company?
Exactly my point! Saying he has a fake plumber’s job when one can be a plumber and not have a license if they work under somebody that does. People dug into his past tax record(more so than most Obama appointees) and they dug into his custody agreement with his son. It all took the focus off of what the point was (Obama saying he wanted to spread the wealth)in an effort to diminish the man he said it to.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:48 pmDAVIS: You want to look for an employer that has a health care plan. Move to China. They have national health care and all of our jobs.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:49 pmThat is the GOPiggie health care plan in a nutshell.
Pray that you don’t get sick or in an accident.
If you do, pray that God may take you out of your misery.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:51 pmJeff B–
Your brain called. It’s leaving you for someone who actually will use it. It said that it hopes you and your mouth will be very happy together.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:52 pmJohnM Says:
So she wants to retire early and live off the system the rest of her life? She never said that she does not have insurance now, she just wants to retire early.
I wonder if there will be a rush to dive into her personal life like was done to Joe the Plumber?
Leaving the workforce 62 is not “early”, especially if you’re disabled, you cold shithead. Reading your post, while it strikes a nerve, makes me glad you’re a fringe minority. There’s no electoral “red morning, red day” coming back for you anytime soon.
John’s got nothing but dime-a-dozen buzzwords that he and his ilk pass off as solutions.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:54 pmWow – defense of Not-Joe the not-plumber? Should I expect an attack on Dave Letterman next?
After all, he was joking about raping the 14 year old daughter of a saint.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:54 pmJohnM Says
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:40 pm
I wonder if there will be a rush to dive into her personal life like was done to Joe the Plumber?
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Only if McCain (or some other politician) wants to exploit her situation in a national debate (or other very public platform). Then the media will check out her story — was she genuine, or was she a plant with a phony story? And if it turns out she was lying, she will get much the same treatment, because the media just LOVE to expose imposters.
But until that happens, she will probably get left alone. Mostly because her story (whether she’s a plant or not) resonates with a lot of people, whereas Joe the Plumber’s story (waah, waah, I can’t afford to buy a million dollar business because a 3% tax increase for my profits over $250,000 will kill me) was just ridiculous.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:54 pmJohnM seeks to put forth another false equivalency — suggesting that an anonymous caller to C-SPAN is somehow equivalent to a citizen who challenged a presidential candidate and then found himself exploited as a campaign spokesman by the other candidate and embraced by the Republican Party as a symbol of the ‘everyman”, and who then sought to maximize the publicity value of his high-profile status.
Yeah, they’re exactly the same.
Kinda like an anonymous commenter on TP is exactly the same as Bildo O’Leilly.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:54 pmGood thing there isn’t a bureaucrat making medical decisions for Dorothy or getting between Dorothy and her doctor. Oh wait.
It’s amazing how Republicans run with the idea that a government or single payer plan would mean bureaucrats would be making medical decisions when the way medical insurance works now is a bunch of MBA (bureaucrats) making medical decisions–who to insure based on pre-existing conditions or not covering treatment for pre-existing conditions or not covering general health checkups. All of which are business not medical decisions.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:54 pmDear Mr. Bovine,
The men you named (as well as some Dem talking heads) steer us wrong for one reason and one reason only, ….MONEY and PROFIT. Tons of MONEY. Tons of PROFIT. They have a huge VESTED interest in the current capitalistic status quo of big corporations looting the average American family.
If you are not open to at least considering that possibility (that the corporate water-carrying entertainers you believe based solely on faith are leading you on to line their own pockets) then you are the perfect representation of Joe Average American voter who has been swindled by corporate america and those who speak on their behalf.
I am not saying don’t listen to them. But at least take their words and do a little open-minded research for yourself and see what conclusions you reach. go outside of your comfort zone and attempt to find fault with what they say. If you cannot find fault (although the odds of that are staggering) then carry on voting against your own best interest.
Please just think for yourself no matter who you are listening to, whether it be (R) or (D). Don’t take what any of them say without thinking critically on your own. Dig for your own facts and then decide.
All too often republican and democratic voters believe without critically thinking for themselves. Doing that is NOT upholding your obligation, your duty within a democracy! It just plain hurts the country and lines the pockets of those leading people astray for their own greed and benefit.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:55 pmAs usual, you miss the point, dumbass. Joe(Sam) the (not) Plumber, is a big stinking liar. He wasn’t going to buy a multi-million dollar business on his paltry income. And, anyone who would base such a business decision on a $900 tax increase is too stupid to run a business.
Gawd, you have to be an ignorant fool to be a right-wing Republican these days.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:55 pmAnyone thinks JohnnyM is 62?
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:56 pmAnyone think JohnnyMoron has to deal with diabetes?
Listen you moron, you’re not witty,cute, or wise.
And watch out, you ain’t going to have your good health forever.
Takes a lot, but you’re a bigger nitwit then the other nitwit trolls.
If there was a way to ban you, I’d go for it.
Useless piece of pond scum
tony and lido
Exactly my point! Saying he has a fake plumber’s job when one can be a plumber and not have a license if they work under somebody that does. People dug into his past tax record(more so than most Obama appointees) and they dug into his custody agreement with his son. It all took the focus off of what the point was (Obama saying he wanted to spread the wealth)in an effort to diminish the man he said it to.
Any form of taxation is spreading the wealth. If republicans got their wish for a flat or “fair” tax, spreading the wealth wouldn’t come to a demise, it would accelerate from the poor and lower class to the rich.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:56 pmJohnM–
My dog thinks the vacuum cleaner is a monster and the throw pillow on the sofa is his girlfriend, and even he wouldn’t believe anything you say.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:57 pmCan you believe how incredibly brain dead these Republicans are? Even when you point out the absurdity of Joe’s claim, they cannot grasp it.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:58 pmWhen I’m feeling sick, I replay my VHS recordings of the O’Reilly Factor and almost always fully recover.
Funny, it has the opposite effect on me… He makes me ill.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:59 pmMegaloptera McWars Says:
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JohnM Says:
So she wants to retire early and live off the system the rest of her life? She never said that she does not have insurance now, she just wants to retire early.
I wonder if there will be a rush to dive into her personal life like was done to Joe the Plumber?
Leaving the workforce 62 is not “early”, especially if you’re disabled, you cold shithead. Reading your post, while it strikes a nerve, makes me glad you’re a fringe minority. There’s no electoral “red morning, red day” coming back for you anytime soon.
John’s got nothing but dime-a-dozen buzzwords that he and his ilk pass off as solutions.
She is not disabled, she is diabetic just like millions of other Americans that live and work with it everyday.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:59 pmMegaloptera McWars Says:
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Exactly my point! Saying he has a fake plumber’s job when one can be a plumber and not have a license if they work under somebody that does. People dug into his past tax record(more so than most Obama appointees) and they dug into his custody agreement with his son. It all took the focus off of what the point was (Obama saying he wanted to spread the wealth)in an effort to diminish the man he said it to.
Any form of taxation is spreading the wealth. If republicans got their wish for a flat or “fair” tax, spreading the wealth wouldn’t come to a demise, it would accelerate from the poor and lower class to the rich.
Spreading the wealth was the words Obama used when answering Joe the Plumber.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:00 pmshoeless Says:
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JohnM Says:
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shoeless Says:
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JohnM Says:
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I wonder if there will be a rush to dive into her personal life like was done to Joe the Plumber?
You mean the guy who wasn’t going to buy a multi-million dollar business with the income from his $40,000/year fake plumber’s job, because he didn’t want to pay an extra $900 on the $280.000/year income he would receive as owner of the mythical company?
Exactly my point! Saying he has a fake plumber’s job when one can be a plumber and not have a license if they work under somebody that does.
As usual, you miss the point, dumbass. Joe(Sam) the (not) Plumber, is a big stinking liar. He wasn’t going to buy a multi-million dollar business on his paltry income. And, anyone who would base such a business decision on a $900 tax increase is too stupid to run a business.
Gawd, you have to be an ignorant fool to be a right-wing Republican these days.
You miss the point. Joe the Plumber is not relevant. The point McCain was trying to make was that Obama’s response to somebody wanting to succeed and buy a business that employs people and will be taxed more is that he wants to spread the wealth.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:02 pmI think the right wing should go after this anonymous woman caller on C-SPAN, dig up the dirt on her, expose her flaws and failings. It’s got to help ytheir chances, right?
After all, look what going after the Frost family did for them.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:03 pmSpreading the wealth was the words Obama used when answering Joe the Plumber.
The only promise he has kept, to dat.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:05 pmdate
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:05 pmHYPOCRISY MUCH
Nope.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:06 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
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JohnM seeks to put forth another false equivalency — suggesting that an anonymous caller to C-SPAN is somehow equivalent to a citizen who challenged a presidential candidate and then found himself exploited as a campaign spokesman by the other candidate and embraced by the Republican Party as a symbol of the ‘everyman”, and who then sought to maximize the publicity value of his high-profile status.
Yeah, they’re exactly the same.
Kinda like an anonymous commenter on TP is exactly the same as Bildo O’Leilly.
This is the same thing, just not on the same stage. The lady asked a question to a politician and did not like the answer just like Joe the Plumber. Now sites like this are exploiting her to try and prove their point just like McCain did. The question is who is going to dive into her private life to find out if what she said is true, like what was done to Joe the Plumber?
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:06 pmJohnM Says:
Megaloptera McWars Says:
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Exactly my point! Saying he has a fake plumber’s job when one can be a plumber and not have a license if they work under somebody that does. People dug into his past tax record(more so than most Obama appointees) and they dug into his custody agreement with his son. It all took the focus off of what the point was (Obama saying he wanted to spread the wealth)in an effort to diminish the man he said it to.
Any form of taxation is spreading the wealth. If republicans got their wish for a flat or “fair” tax, spreading the wealth wouldn’t come to a demise, it would accelerate from the poor and lower class to the rich.
Spreading the wealth was the words Obama used when answering Joe the Plumber.
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and obama won and mccain lost.
:)
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:06 pmAny moron who says diabetes isn’t a disability deserves to be laughed off the face of the earth.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:08 pmIt/s time to pound JohnnyMoron into ashes.
PS Who’s going to hire a 62 year old women with diabetes”
You are an ahole.
tony and lido
If you do, pray that God may take you out of your misery.
Says the fundie.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:08 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
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JohnM Says:
Spreading the wealth was the words Obama used when answering Joe the Plumber.
But REPUBLICANS have NO PROBLEMS spreading the WEALTH to HALLIBURTON, EXXON and EVEN CHINA as long as THEY MAKE A BUCK THEMSELVES… ;)
HYPOCRISY MUCH, TARD?
How many billions does Exxon pay in taxes?
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:09 pma plan 72% of the people want.
According to an un-scientific poll taken by the new york times……….
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:09 pmJohnM Says:
She is not disabled, she is diabetic just like millions of other Americans that live and work with it everyday.
You’re one of those “free market” doctors who can speak for her condition, I take it?
I’ll give you an idea: since you’re obsessed with preserving the status quo that is republicanism’s airtight wrap on the declining health care system, why don’t you be the Joe The Plumber of the health care debate. The next time President Obama has a townhall, be the next goofy dumbass who approaches the president with his pie- in-the-sky aspiration of being a non-board certified, non-licensed, non-degreed doctor who’s afraid not only of being taxed over $250,000 a year, but of a “government fairy” decending upon your shack-for-a-clinic every time you’re about to make a medical decision like the adults.
You won’t be steamrolled and laughed out of the commons area. I promise.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:09 pmI’ve said it before, take all the damned repugniscum, put them in a bag, shake it up and pour them out — they are all the same: Me! Me! Me! You’re on your own! I got mine!
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:10 pmIt’s your problem! Too bad for you, but I am fiscally responsible!
They are coddled, rich bastards who have no empathy, no compassion, no understanding or concept of the lives and trials of real Americans.
JohnM Says:
Spreading the wealth was the words Obama used when answering Joe the Plumber.
And spreading the wealth is taxation, period. Did you read my post?
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:11 pmdietrich Says:
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Any moron who says diabetes isn’t a disability deserves to be laughed off the face of the earth.
It/s time to pound JohnnyMoron into ashes.
PS Who’s going to hire a 62 year old women with diabetes”
You are an ahole.
tony and lido
She has a job now.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:12 pmDOROTHY: Yes, but well, I don’t know where they get those numbers from. I spoke to many people, I work in retail and I’ve been in contact with, you know, customers and I speak to them about it on this side.
OT – I was just discussing a medical claim with someone here at work and I noticed it was an inpatient bill that Medicare had paid and, as the Medicare Supplement carrier, it was now ours.
The patient was in a hospital 6/2-6/6/09. Medicare had already paid and forwarded onward.
That’s called efficiency, wingnuts. And since it was electronically transmitted (for the most part), that’s called cheap administratioin, wingnuts.
MEDICARE for ALL!!!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:12 pmThe Republicans are all for spreading the wealth as long as the flow is uphill. Then they get to decide who to trickle down/p*ss on.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:12 pmThe question is who is going to dive into her private life to find out if what she said is true, like what was done to Joe the Plumber?
I’ve got a deal for you — if the diabetes lady decides to (a) write a book, (b) pretend to be a war correspondent for a ridiculously shallow internet “news organization”, or (c) appear at campaign rallies with a major candidate as some sort of convenient-for-the-moment working-class hero, then I’ll dive into her private life to find out what she said is true. Deal?
Yeah, I thought not…
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:14 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
Get back on your meds, patsy.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:15 pmYeah, a presidential campaign that invites a citizen to appear at campaign rallies is exactly the same as an anonymous citizen who calls in to a viewer-response TV show.
If the lady goes on Faux News and becomes a spokeswoman for a party or an issue, I have no problem vetting her credibility. Until then, it’s still a false equivalency.
Again, when she agrees to become a public face of a campaign, THEN you’ll have an argument to make. Until then, you’re spinning your wheels. But I expect you’re so used to it that by now it really feels like you’re going somewhere.
I really think you should, JohnM.
Take the initiative and expose this charlatan who’s concerned about getting coverage with a pre-existing condition. Expose her laziness. Expose her attempt to retire at 62 and “live off the system.
I think it would be awesome for the public image of your party.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:16 pmYou know why this makes me so mad?
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:16 pmYou know how many people lost their sight due to diabetes?
A great many people at Guide Dogs have diabetes and thus the need for a guide dog.
I hve never been this mad in a long time..
If there is an afterlife, JohnnyMOron better take a big supply of ice cubes.
Boy,,you should know what you’re talking about before you post your shite here.
And again, would you hire a 62 yr old with diabetes?
tony and lido
In what other way than “sucks to be you” can you interpret “good luck” when you’re talking about someone who will never have to worry about health care for the rest of his life? afterall, being a former congressman provides healthcare until the day you die courtesy of your constituents
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:17 pmrepublicans love facts Says:
Get back on your meds, patsy.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:17 pmActually, go ahead and take all of them…
WRONG. It was a SCIENTIFIC POLL done by the New York Times and CBS News.
ROFL! ;) No proof? Shocker!
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:18 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
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This is the same thing, just not on the same stage. The lady asked a question to a politician and did not like the answer just like Joe the Plumber. Now sites like this are exploiting her to try and prove their point just like McCain did. The question is who is going to dive into her private life to find out if what she said is true, like what was done to Joe the Plumber?
You mean like the GOP DID to a family receiving INSURANCE SUBSIDIES for their CHILDREN? HYPOCRISY MUCH – TEABAGISTAN TERRORIST?
Your posts are very similar to reading a 6 year old’s writing? You do realize that you do not need to capitalize all those words, don’t you? I know that children are typically taught the upper case letters first, so maybe you never made it through the lesson where lower case letters are taught.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:18 pmPush Poll!
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:18 pmYes, she has a job. But NO HEALTH CARE. That’s the problem.
tony and lido are right. You are an ahole.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:19 pmGosh! Gee whiz! Why the Heck would a 62 year old woman with a serious life-threatening (and blindness causing) disease want to retire? What a Lazy woman! Everyone knows there are hundreds of wonderful high-paying total med insurance covering employers just begging for elderly, chronically sick employes.
Mr. Davis should have told this lady her “option” was to go broke, declare bankruptcy and then get Welfare & Medicaid. Piece of…cake?
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:19 pmJeff Bovine Says:
republicans hate facts Says:
Same troll. Flagged all of his posts.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:20 pmNow, now, Bozo… at least he didn’t add a “with that”.
As in, “good luck with that”.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:20 pmShe has a job now.
A job with benefits?
You put all your might in dressing down others for their plight. We get it. Feel free to take a hike, fringe minority idiot.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:21 pmdietrich Says:
You know why this makes me so mad?
You know how many people lost their sight due to diabetes?
70% of leg amputations are due to diabetes.
http://www.defeatdiabetes.org/Articles/amputation050502.htm
The American citizen hating right thinks diabetes is like the common cold.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:21 pmIf you don’t like a poll, just call it un-scientific? C’mon – you can do better than that.
At least W and Cheney had the balls to say that they didn’t care what the American people thought. There’s your compassionate conservatism in action.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:21 pmHere’s a deal for Congress. Give up your healtcare plan, then vote on single-payer. 40 Senators are going to tell millions of America to shove it. 533 of 535 members of Congress have taken contributions from the healthcare industry. Combine that with their medical plan and just how motivated are they to get this done?
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:23 pmI think Tom Davis subscribes to The Jack Welch Health plan. That is just let people die because it’s cheaper than providing health care.
Here’s the clip of Welch.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=1916
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:24 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
Yeah, a presidential campaign that invites a citizen to appear at campaign rallies is exactly the same as an anonymous citizen who calls in to a viewer-response TV show.
It is a private citizen asking a question to a politician only later to find out they are being used as fodder by one side, yes they are same thing.
ralph the wonder locust Says:
If the lady goes on Faux News and becomes a spokeswoman for a party or an issue, I have no problem vetting her credibility. Until then, it’s still a false equivalency.
He was attacked well before he made any appearances on Fox News and you know this.
ralph the wonder locust Says:
Again, when she agrees to become a public face of a campaign, THEN you’ll have an argument to make. Until then, you’re spinning your wheels. But I expect you’re so used to it that by now it really feels like you’re going somewhere.
She made the choice to call into the show. She entered herself into the debate by choice just like Joe the Plumber did.
ralph the wonder locust Says:
Take the initiative and expose this charlatan who’s concerned about getting coverage with a pre-existing condition. Expose her laziness. Expose her attempt to retire at 62 and “live off the system.
She wants to retire early and she does not want to pay for her own condition. She wants other people to pay for her ailments.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:24 pmCONSTANT PROJECTION,
Yawn….still waiting for proof of the “scientific” poll…..
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:24 pmIf you don’t like a poll, just call it un-scientific?
Hypocrite much? Indeed.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:26 pmralph@93, you’re right but the “with that” it was implied.
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A job with benefits?
All signs point to her having benefits at her job. She never said that she needed healthcare now, she said that she wants to retire early and will not be able to pay for the insurance if she does.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:27 pm…
whatever happened to
joe the plumber?
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June 22nd, 2009 at 4:28 pmJohnM Says:
How many billions does Exxon pay in taxes?
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:09 pm
36.53 billion. Not counting the money they get back from the government in subsidies.
And they still made over $45 billion in profit last year, in the middle of an economic recession.
Boo-hoo. Poor Exxon-Mobil.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:28 pmJohnM is a lost cause. There is no way to talk sense into him.
I’m going back to the OFnF on sight.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:28 pmJohnM Says
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:02 pm
You miss the point. Joe the Plumber is not relevant. The point McCain was trying to make was that Obama’s response to somebody wanting to succeed and buy a business that employs people and will be taxed more is that he wants to spread the wealth.
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If “Joe the Plumber” wasn’t relevant, why did McCain use the phrase “Joe the Plumber” so much during the debate that it was what people remembered?
“Joe the Plumber” was attempting to pass himself off as an ordinary person — an “ordinary Joe”, if you will — that the middle class could identify with. McCain did his best to advance this perception.
By becoming a prominent subject of the debate, Obama pointed out (accurately) that unless “Joe” had taxable PROFIT (that’s after all the deductions, the payroll, the business expenses, etc.) of over $250,000, he wouldn’t be paying a dime more in taxes under his plan.
It was because the idea that this “ordinary Joe” was about to buy a business that would NET over $250,000 a year (and such a business would no doubt cost at least a few million dollars to buy) that journalists decided to check it out. Wouldn’t you want to check out a story that absurd? Especially since McCain aggressively portrayed “Joe the Plumber” as a victim of Obama proposals — not only in the debate but in subsequent stump speeches.
Yes — Obama could have found a better phrase to use than “spread the wealth”. But I find that a far less egregious transgression than pretending that increasing the tax rate (and not even by much) of profits exceeding $250,000 was a great concern for middle-class individuals.
Now, compare this to a woman who suggests that if it wasn’t for the cost of getting health insurance on her own until she qualified for Medicare (or even the availability of insurance), she could probably afford to retire at 62. This is certainly no less trivial than a guy who claims that a 3% tax hike is preventing him from owning his own business. But the biggest difference between the two is that more people can identify with Dorothy than identify with Joe. It’s not just retirement. People stay in bad jobs because they can’t afford health insurance on their own. People stay in bad marriages because they can’t afford health insurance on their own. This is a very big boat with a lot of passengers — there for a variety of reasons.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:28 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
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JohnM Says:
Your posts are very similar to reading a 6 year old’s writing? You do realize that you do not need to capitalize all those words, don’t you? I know that children are typically taught the upper case letters first, so maybe you never made it through the lesson where lower case letters are taught.
Whereas you PROJECT like a 6 year old CHILD. I’m definitely TARGETING MY AUDIENCE, don’t you THINK – SON? ;)
I know that CHILDREN aren’t TAUGHT TO THINK CRITICALLY until they’re OLDER. Did you DROP OUT or what *EXCUSE* do you have for your CONSTANT PROJECTION, IDIOTIC BLATHER, and UNINFORMED NONSENSE YOU POST – SON?
So when summer vacation ends will you be in 2nd grade or 3rd grade?
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:29 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
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JohnM is a lost cause. There is no way to talk sense into him.
I’m going back to the OFnF on sight.
In other words I made you look silly debunking all your points so you will instead ignore and try and maintain some level of dignity.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:29 pmThe mightiest, richest nation on the planet, the stronghold of human rights and democracy, the beacon shining out to show the way. Funding for wars…got it. State sanctioned torture…got it. Free money to major companies while denying foreclosure support or interest rate caps…got it. Close to 50 million out of 300 million without health care and no one knows how many who are under insured…got it.
Something tells me we need new batteries in the beacon.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:31 pmIt is a private citizen asking a question to a politician only later to find out they are being used as fodder by one side, yes they are same thing.
Yes, it’s the same thing: A private citizen being sent by a political campaign to lie to their opponent.
Oh, gosh, no, it’s not the same at all! Oops!
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:31 pmTom Davis: “good luck”
He said the same to his devoted first wife.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:32 pmWe parked in a spot down the street from Watters’ house with a good vantage point, and waited.
That’s text book stalking, losers.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:32 pmIn other words I made you look silly debunking all your points so you will instead ignore and try and maintain some level of dignity.
– Nah, I think it is more that you seem to have a mind stuck in a loop…
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:32 pmTP, could we PLEASE have an ignore button? It is really hard to talk with people when the dogs are farting.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:33 pmIn other words I made you look silly debunking all your points so you will instead ignore and try and maintain some level of dignity.
I’m proudly wearing my badge of honor, too, johnm!
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:34 pmOkay, one last point…
“All signs”? What signs?
The woman works in retail. Retail workers are notoriously low-paid and transient and few have the opportunity to get coverage through their employers. Wal-Mart, for instance, fails to give health coverage to 54% of its workers.
The woman is actively looking for coverage.
What “signs” exactly point to “her having benefits at her job”?
What an ugly human you are, JohnM. Just a really unpleasant spirit.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:34 pmAll signs point to her having benefits at her job.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:35 pm— Which signs? The ones you wish to see?
I vote for registration, that works better than an ignore button.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:36 pmA NYT/CBS News poll this weekend found that 72 percent of Americans support creating a public health insurance option.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:36 pm—-
Seems it doesn’t really matter what the hell JohnM thinks…
I love how the trolls think that actively ignoring them because they have nothing to contribute somehow constitutes a “victory”.
I guess when you’ve got nothing else to celebrate…
but seriously, they’re like a teenager who demands a high-five for ripping a loud fart.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:36 pmObviously it isn’t the signs that say curb your dog.
Must be the Rapture signs.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:37 pmThe robo-fringe shithead is still spewing fact-free vermin, to no surprise.
This is why I call the right the Catch-22 party. Yell at people to pay for their own health care, weaken government options that clearly work, then be OK with raising the cost of healthcare to monumental proportions every year that Bush was in office. An office visit costs $300 with nothing more than blood pressure checks.
Where were the “free market solutions” when George W. Bush (John M’s national reflection) was in office? You had your chance. Your antics put you out. It’s over. You’re out.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:38 pmalph the wonder locust Says:
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Okay, one last point…
JohnM Says:
Megaloptera McWars Says:
A job with benefits?
All signs point to her having benefits at her job.
“All signs”? What signs?
The woman works in retail. Retail workers are notoriously low-paid and transient and few have the opportunity to get coverage through their employers. Wal-Mart, for instance, fails to give health coverage to 54% of its workers.
The woman is actively looking for coverage.
What “signs” exactly point to “her having benefits at her job”?
What an ugly human you are, JohnM. Just a really unpleasant spirit.
She said that she is working now and wants to retire early but cannot handle the insurance payment. How is she getting her medications now? If she is paying for them from her retail job then they are not that expensive. She clearly has medical insurance at this time, but wants to retire early and can’t get private insurance on her own.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:38 pmjust more evidence that republicans want hard-working middle-class americans to get sick and die
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:39 pmsacomment Says:
Flagged.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:40 pmcan’t get private insurance on her own.
“Tum Tum te Tum…when you’ve said butt, you’ve said it all”
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:40 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
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I love how the trolls think that actively ignoring them because they have nothing to contribute somehow constitutes a “victory”.
I guess when you’ve got nothing else to celebrate…
but seriously, they’re like a teenager who demands a high-five for ripping a loud fart.
You have been owned time and time again by me so you are running away. It is okay, I don’t think any less of you.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:40 pmJohnM: She wants to retire early and she does not want to pay for her own condition. She wants other people to pay for her ailments.
Either you’re lying or you cannot read:
DOROTHY: Yes. Type 2. I’m only on the pill. I try to watch my weight, my diet, I exercise. So they, they say they cannot accept me. I’m not asking for free, I’m willing to go up to a certain amount per month that I could afford and I’m a difficult time.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:41 pmFunnny, I never remember this troll ever honestley debunking anyone.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:41 pmOn the other hand, he doesn’t seemm to mind acting like a jackass
tony and lido
“All signs”? What signs?
Hi ralph. He must have taken those “signs” with a novel stethoscope a right-wing radio host mailed him.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:41 pmA chronically ill woman wants to retire but cannot do so because our “Free Market” medical insurance won’t cover her. At all. So she asks a congressman what options does she have? His answer is “Good Luck”.
Perhaps she’d be thrilled to tell everyone more about her life and her opinions on politics. Perhaps Think Progress can send her to the MidEast to… stand around and make stupid remarks…then she’d have a book ghost-written for her. Maybe all the publicity would help her get med insurance, or move to Canada.
Why don’t you investigate her, JohnMTroll?
JohnM: Wherever “republicans hate facts” may be next Fall, you will still be sitting in the virtual gutter living off Wingnut Welfare. DBTW, Do they offer Medical Insurance?
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:42 pmWillowOrchid Says:
flagged
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:43 pm121 Jeffy Bovine
Nobody gives a steaming repiggie about what you think.
You’ve been pestering Think Progress for years now.
You and the rest of Mark Koldy’s love children can go exchange fantasies about Keith Olbermann all day, over at Crapper 1.
Oh, I forgot. Nobody cares. That is why you are here, Jeffy Bovine.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:43 pmYeah, well, we don’t live in his fantasy world like he does. So it’s quite possible that, in his mind, he really does come out on top. We’ll never know because the technology necessary to visit that world is not available, and if it were, who in their right mind would volunteer to go?
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:44 pmJohnM Says:
In other words I made you look silly debunking all your points so you will instead ignore and try and maintain some level of dignity.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:29 pm
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… says the guy who doesn’t think Muslim detainees are human.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:45 pmgummble-bee-itch Says:
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JohnM: She wants to retire early and she does not want to pay for her own condition. She wants other people to pay for her ailments.
Either you’re lying or you cannot read:
DOROTHY: Yes. Type 2. I’m only on the pill. I try to watch my weight, my diet, I exercise. So they, they say they cannot accept me. I’m not asking for free, I’m willing to go up to a certain amount per month that I could afford and I’m a difficult time.
How much is her certain amount? $10 a month? She just wants somebody else to pay for most of it.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:46 pmsays the guy who doesn’t think Muslim detainees are human.
Says the liar.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:47 pmYou have been owned time and time again by me so you are running away. It is okay, I don’t think any less of you.
You’re accusing a poster who’s stuck through it thick and thin, who’s made a point to carefully debunk any gritty detail that others may overlook. ralph is the go-to guy for making the case — so you think knocking him will add to your already non-existent luster? That’s the game plan?
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:47 pmHe was lying John. Why would you listen to a liar? Oh yeah, you are a Republican. You like to be lied to. The point I’m trying to make is that anyone who would make a multi-million dollar business decision on a $900 tax question is dumb as dirt. And anyone who would listen to such an idiot is worse than stupid.
Congratulations.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:48 pmAnonymouse Says:
flagged
TP admin: Thanks for the laugh.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:51 pmThanks, McWars. I appreciate the kind words.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:52 pmsomething for nothing JohnM? Sounds like the theme to the chickenhawks of the last administration. Wanting to invade countries while never putting on the uniform.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:56 pmshoeless Says:
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You miss the point. Joe the Plumber is not relevant. The point McCain was trying to make was that Obama’s response to somebody wanting to succeed and buy a business that employs people and will be taxed more is that he wants to spread the wealth.
He was lying John. Why would you listen to a liar? Oh yeah, you are a Republican. You like to be lied to. The point I’m trying to make is that anyone who would make a multi-million dollar business decision on a $900 tax question is dumb as dirt. And anyone who would listen to such an idiot is worse than stupid.
Congratulations.
I don’t care about Joe the Plumber. I did not listen to him, I listened to Obama and what he said. It was Obama’s response to the question, not the question its self or the questioner that concerns me.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:57 pmShort Davis – I have government healthcare, to hell with you lady.
Conservatives, you just gotta hate them.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:57 pmJohnM Says:
How much is her certain amount? $10 a month? She just wants somebody else to pay for most of it.
If taxes shouldn’t pay for medical care, surely taxes have no business paying for 6 years daddy’s revenge in Iraq.
You gave up your claim to taxpayer stewardship when you ran up trillions in obligations caused by the already staggering figures thrown at an invasion your party never wanted or knew how to bring to a close.
Your hands-off policies have led to a much more expensive case of hands-on, and you want to run away from those incurred obligations. Sorry, my country won’t die for your rigid, cold ideology. We’ll live to see a better day. And you’ll be jealous for it and clamoring for the “good old days.”
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:59 pmMy, my, a troll claiming to have pwned the wonderlocust.
Can you spell delusions of grandeur? I knew you could.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:59 pmMegaloptera McWars Says:
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You have been owned time and time again by me so you are running away. It is okay, I don’t think any less of you.
You’re accusing a poster who’s stuck through it thick and thin, who’s made a point to carefully debunk any gritty detail that others may overlook. ralph is the go-to guy for making the case — so you think knocking him will add to your already non-existent luster? That’s the game plan?
Stuck through it thick and thin? Yes he is quite the hero. I made him into a fool and he is running away licking his wounds.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:00 pmJohnM, step away from the mirror.
And take your meds.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:03 pmMegaloptera McWars Says:
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JohnM Says:
How much is her certain amount? $10 a month? She just wants somebody else to pay for most of it.
If taxes shouldn’t pay for medical care, surely taxes have no business paying for 6 years daddy’s revenge in Iraq.
You gave up your claim to taxpayer stewardship when you ran up trillions in obligations caused by the already staggering figures thrown at an invasion your party never wanted or knew how to bring to a close.
Your hands-off policies have led to a much more expensive case of hands-on, and you want to run away from those incurred obligations. Sorry, my country won’t die for your rigid, cold ideology. We’ll live to see a better day. And you’ll be jealous for it and clamoring for the “good old days.”
When everybody gets everything they want from the government and never working for it, yes I will clamor for the good old days when people did not ask for handouts, but worked their butts off to pay their own way.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:05 pmSo shall we take a poll as to who are fools and who are not fools. You dig democracy don’t you JohnM? Let the people speak…
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:07 pmAgain, the troll posts shite.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:07 pmYOu know how much testing strips cost for a meter” Over 100$
for 50.
Keep on posting shite, and I’ll keep on debunking it.
Why don’t you start pricking your finger, asshat.
Amd anymouse, what’s your purpose?
I didn’t use to mind trolls, til they all started acting like 4 yr olds.
tony and lido
Stuck through it thick and thin? Yes he is quite the hero. I made him into a fool and he is running away licking his wounds.
Now you’re just sounding off like a chickenhawk celebrating having made the next level of Call of Duty using cheat codes.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:08 pmCertain trolls have this weird fantasy that the government sh*ts money. And that people paying taxes and expecting services in return is somehow evil.
The only ones who complain about paying taxes are the ones who make the most money.
And the trolls they buy.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:08 pmTell me more about these imaginery good old days JohnM.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:08 pmSo, what concerns you is the idea that the owner of a multi-million business might have to pay an extra $900 in taxes. Uh, dipsh!t, there are bigger problems in this country right now.
Fool.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:09 pmAgain, would you hire a 62 yr old with diabetes?
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:10 pmAnwer, chickenhawk!!
I’d kind of lilke to live in Maybery, too. Heck, you could get a six pack for 1.00 or so.
But this aint Mayberry, so pull your head out of your….
tony and lido
I really miss those good old days of back alley abortion, institions, polio, no minimum wage, no electricity, once a week days. Ah yes those days was the shits…
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:10 pmLet’s have a new poll for Americans. If you pay $10 in taxes, do you want $7 of it to go to fund war and $2 of it to fund bailouts of companies too stupid and greedy to exist and the other dollar to support things you might be interested in?
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:15 pmWhen everybody gets everything they want from the government and never working for it, yes I will clamor for the good old days when people did not ask for handouts, but worked their butts off to pay their own way.
You got everything you wanted from the government — a war of choice, injured vets in despair, medicare & medicaid fraud by your HCA hack starring in his own TV commercials.
Who’s “asking” for handouts? A genuine need is not a handout. We subsidize medical schools, provide research grants (Johns Hopkins, a private university, is the largest recipient), provide R&D tax credits, and what’s to show in terms of accessibility to the average person? Do the free-marketeers think they can take everything and run? The prospect of providing a return is a “handout”? You really are a thief.
Drop the rigid ideology. It doesn’t work.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:17 pmIn regards to Social Security, I’ve paid my fair share for forty some odd years, and intend to use it when I retire at the age of 72. That’s called working your butt off and paying your own way, assclown.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:18 pm“once a week days”?
Damn! I ment baths. I also miss the accpeted domestic abuse the polluted rivers, and the thalidomide babies…
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:22 pmlobotomies are a forgotten part of the good old days as well but I think JohnM has forgotten about his…
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:24 pmRight-wingers don’t own scientific advancement and they don’t own productivity. Hannity, Levin, Savage, Ingram — your vouching for the productive as if they apply exclusively to the GOP is insufficient cover for your status’ as extremely overpaid ass-sitters who spit into a microphone.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:24 pmHakaN:
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:30 pmYou are my turkish delight…
By JohnM’s logic I have totally pwned him and he has run away…
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:32 pmJohn, it was the day before you registered as a Republican.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:34 pmI’m surprised he didn’t offer her a laurel
and hearty handshake as well as a ‘good luck’ token.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:38 pmFolks, I suppose if JohnM wants to tell himself he “owned” me and it will keep him calm, we can let him have his fantasy. After all, we don’t want him having to confront reality and possibly setting off a shooting spree in a “liberal” church or a holocaust museum, now do we?
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:39 pmIn days of yore there were legends about people selling their souls to the Devil. Faust, the Devil and Daniel Webster and others, people who bargained with Satan to enjoy pleasures and power in this world in exchange for their souls.
I almost feel sorry for the Devil in America these days. It seems souls are on the dollar menu at any franchise fast food restaurant.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:40 pmJohnM Says:
How much is her certain amount? $10 a month? She just wants somebody else to pay for most of it.
You’re making sh!t up, JohnM. There’s nothing in what she said to support your assumptions about what she “wants”. She’s complaining that she cannot get coverage. At all. If you weren’t so thoroughly caught up in yourself, you might understand that.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:40 pmI have adult onset diabetes, and if I did not have healthcare insurance to help pay for the janumet, lantus insulin, enlapril, and zocor, I’d be financially strapped paying the $600/month out-of-pocket costs for these meds. In addition to the diabetes medications, I also take plaquenil for lupus.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:42 pmThis woman is living with a serious medical condition, working in retail, and having problems paying her medical and other bills. Former congresscritter Davis could have shown a little compassion, but I guess it’s not part of his psychological make up, or maybe he thinks that as long as he has his, it’s up to her to get hers.
Haven’t been around this weekend, but have checked in to read the posts. Spent time posting on some other sites about Iran, and ran into rightwing folks, who I disagreed with, who were smart, intelligent and could debate their point of view. Big difference compared to wingnuts here like, johnM, jeff bovine,proud ect, ect. We really do get the lowest class of wingnuts here.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:45 pmdietrich Says:
Again, would you hire a 62 yr old with diabetes?
Anwer, chickenhawk!!
Its hees saloon and he runs it the ways he waunts to.
Hi Tony, he’s probably “licking his wounds” at Bojangles.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:45 pmReally?
So they do exist…
Can you get some of ‘em to come over here and post? It would be a welcome change.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:51 pmralph, yes, they do exist. The problem for some of them comming here, is they would have to take ownership for the nut bags that are already here.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:57 pm______
RobertSeattle Says:
It never ceases to amaze me how these wingnuts prefer a insurance company bureacrat driven by the bottom line instead of someone dedicated to serving people.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:29 pm
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The few people in govt who are actually driven to serve people are great. If we had a good deal more of those, we wouldn’t need to worry so much about giving govt more control. It’s the govt employees who are out to serve themselves and the incompetents who can’t be gotten rid of due to civil service rules that are the problem.
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“Beyond responding to Dorothy with seeming callousness, Davis’ answer to her problem is also contradictory in its approach to a public health care option.”
“…he argued, “I don’t know that she can count on Washington to solve it for her.” In the next sentence, however, he said that she “can probably get some relief” when she qualifies for Medicare, which is government-provided.”
Very juvenile statements. Davis obviously meant good luck the way most people mean it when wishing someone well.
As for the second statement, he obviously is aware that Medicare is a govt program and was saying he wasn’t sure of what govt relief she can count on prior to qualifying for Medicare. It’s similar to President Obama’s comment about 57 states. You can choose to jump on a poorly worded comment or misstatement; but it just makes you look like a fool rather than the person you are trying to ridicule. ;)
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:05 pm______
angels81 Says:
ralph, yes, they do exist. The problem for some of them comming here, is they would have to take ownership for the nut bags that are already here.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:57 pm
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Why would anyone have to take responsibility for the statements or conduct of another just because they share some of the same views? Are you responsible for the vile, idiotic ranting of rhf? ;)
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:10 pmJohnM Says
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:46 pm
How much is her certain amount? $10 a month? She just wants somebody else to pay for most of it.
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That’s an unbelievably pompous remark, even from you. She said nothing to indicate she would only be willing to pay $10 and expected “somebody else” to pay for the rest. She said she wanted something she could afford. This amount can be different for everyone, depending on circumstances.
I have a close friend whose husband is leaving her in order to marry another woman. My friend has a job in a small company (three people) with no insurance benefits. This wasn’t a concern at the time she was hired (heck, she was happy just to have a job), because her husband had insurance.
Unfortunately, when the husband leaves, the insurance does, too. So my friend investigated what getting insurance on her own would cost. She has a couple of pre-existing conditions (although none as severe as diabetes), and she’s in her mid-thirties, but she’s lucky — she found an insurance company that would take her. For $1,013.00 a month. This woman nets $350 a week. If she took that, she’d wind up with about $400 a month to live on after she paid her health insurance premium. That’s insane.
Naturally, she’s now looking for a job that offers health insurance as a benefit. But jobs of any kind are hard to come by these days, let alone jobs with benefits.
She would benefit greatly from a public plan. She just wants to pay what she can afford — you know, up to a “certain amount” (which would be well over $10 in her case, but certainly not as high as a thousand). She also wants a plan that will cover her no matter what pre-existing conditions she has, what her job status is, or what her marital status is. This isn’t looking for a handout. This is basic human decency.
There are real people out there caught up in the bad end of this sucky system. Do you have an employer who pays all or part of the cost of your health insurance? Does the government pay for any part of your health insurance? Can you afford to pay 100% of your own health insurance with no help from an employer, the government, or any other party? If you can say “yes” to any of these, goody for you. You’ve lucked out. But shame on you for mocking those who aren’t as fortunate.
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:11 pmmisscoleopteramolly Says:
I have a close friend whose husband is leaving her in order to marry another woman. My friend has a job in a small company (three people) with no insurance benefits. This wasn’t a concern at the time she was hired (heck, she was happy just to have a job), because her husband had insurance.
She just needs a decent lawyer to ensure the husband has to continue to provide coverage.
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:12 pm“a job with a major employer,” = walmart greeter
sigh
aka
he don’t give a |=()C|<
after his non-competition expires he’s set for life
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:21 pmShe just needs a decent lawyer to ensure the husband has to continue to provide coverage.
Just one more big reason why we need universal coverage.
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:21 pmmissmolly, it’s the familiar troll tactic: conjure up some imaginary scenario, and then base your argument on that being reality. JohnM is a big fan of that style of “debate” and once he gets it in his head, it’s impossible to dislodge with any size dose of actual reality.
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:21 pmgummble-bee-itch Says
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:12 pm
She just needs a decent lawyer to ensure the husband has to continue to provide coverage.
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Yes, I’m sure this will factor into the alimony package somehow. Even though her husband is a skunk, and I wouldn’t mind seeing him soaked dry, I suspect that getting that kind of money out of him will be like getting blood out of a turnip. Unfortunately, once he’s divorced, she is no longer eligible for benefits from his employer, so he’d have to pony up the money for her out of his own pocket, which he really doesn’t have (but her lawyer will grab whatever is possible, I’m sure).
I suppose they could stay married, but she’s not wildly enthusiastic about that idea at this point.
This is why I deplore the current system. Health care should not be dependent on employment or marriage.
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:26 pmShe just needs a decent lawyer to ensure the husband has to continue to provide coverage.
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June 22nd, 2009 at 6:33 pmI know an exwife who lives in a 21 room home on an estate. She pays zero for the coverage of her children. Her exhusband works too jobs. She works one seasonally. I can get you the name of her lawyer if you want it…
Health care should not be a factor in divorce proceedings. It is a bone of contention that need not be there. Nor should it be a serious consideration for continued employment.
That is economic blackmail.
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:33 pmNo such word as “alright”. Try “all right”.
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:22 pmConscientiousness and compassion just oozes from Republicans.
Here is the scoop. Between the ages of 18 and 65, the only option for a not-for-profit, tax-sponsored, health insurance plan is through Medicaid. Medicaid is the insurance that welfare recipients or disabled Americans get. It reimburses much less than even Medicare, so good luck finding a doctor that actually takes it.
For the 50 million Americans who have no health insurance, their only option is to apply for Social Security Disability benefits, which most of them will be refused.
The other option to obtain Medicaid is to reach a “spend down,” which is a euphemism for going bankrupt and essentially losing everything you have due to medical bills. In other words, people are encouraged to run up medical bills they know will bankrupt them in order to get a chance at health insurance.
Now, let’s look at some more reality. The government thinks you are entitled to health insurance only if you are under 18, 65 or older, an elected politician, or if you can find a job that offers insurance, or can afford to spend a third or more of your net annual income on health insurance premiums.
The funny thing about finding a job that provides health insurance is, the more sick people employers insure, the more expensive their premiums. Not only will our 50-something diabetic not be able to find affordable health insurance because of pre-existing conditions, she will also not find an employer that will hire her because of her age and health. This use to be called discrimination. I think they call it risk management these days.
The other issue regarding this lady obtaining a decent occupation is that she will be a worker’s compensation risk as well, and in case you all haven’t been paying attention, many state worker’s comp insurance companies are also for-profit, so prepare to be treated like a queen when you have that first work injury. You will love them.
If this diabetic were to have her first heart attack or stroke on the job, she may be entitled to workers compensation benefits if it can be shown her work had something to do with it. No employer wants both their health insurance and workers compensation insurance premiums going up because of one diabetic employee.
If we had single payer, not-for-profit healthcare and outlawed for-profit worker’s compensation insurance, this lady could find a decent job, and have her disease both appropriately monitored and treated to provide her many more years of productivity in the work place.
As it stands for her, the government has run away with their corporate bribes and left this poor American out in the cold.
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:01 pmTom Davis needs to read the book of James – specifically telling someone to be of good cheer while leaving them hungry.
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:33 pmSo John… what exactly do you do for this country?
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:11 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
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misscoleopteramolly Says:
JohnM Says
How much is her certain amount? $10 a month? She just wants somebody else to pay for most of it.
That’s an unbelievably pompous remark, even from you. She said nothing to indicate she would only be willing to pay $10 and expected “somebody else” to pay for the rest.
missmolly, it’s the familiar troll tactic: conjure up some imaginary scenario, and then base your argument on that being reality. JohnM is a big fan of that style of “debate” and once he gets it in his head, it’s impossible to dislodge with any size dose of actual reality.
He’s a troll with no heart and no compassion for anyone but himself and his own selfish needs. He has no concept of supporting his fellow Americans and the saddest thing of all is he thinks he’s right.
Good job as always on the troll bashing but I think this one is just a lost cause.
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:13 pmSo if we get universal health care, I think JohnM will refuse to utilize it because it might go against his principles, just like all those Republicans who refuse their taxpayer-provided health care, right?
oh wait…
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:52 amdon’t forget social security Kitty :)
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:19 amamericans want capitalism and then when its does it thing they whine.
make up your minds americans.
cant have it both ways.
when over 50% of americans cannot get health insurance and the prices are too expensive and pre existing conditons over whelm most of the middle class maybe americans will want a universal plan.
americans are not compassionate people capitalism creates a very materialistic society. ie profits over people needs.
now hunger that is good for children it will make them get out and work for slave wages like they did in years past.
keiths worst person tonight
capitalism is self destructing just like communism did.
americans cheered when communism self destructed not realizing they were next.
with communism man exploits man with capitalism it is the other way around.
if you are middle or lower class and you dont see how capitalism is exploiting you then you are asleep.
or stated another way ok I will not say it.
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Just a quick note for Matt Corley. Matt, I understand and appreciate the point of this posting. But I think it’s important for you to know that a person who isn’t even age 62 yet is not considered “Elderly”. I think you used that word in the headline for effect. You might consider using “older” or “near retirement” in the future.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:24 amSquash, you took the words outta my mouth…I even registered on this site to comment….as a 55 year old woman, being called “elderly” at 62, or even “senior” at 55, is a little bit of an insult. I know that is the widely held opinion, but, trust me, I am neither elderly nor senior. Matt, I am assuming you are a lot younger than I, so I will cut you some slack in this case….just try to remember that we don’t mind “older”…’kay?
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