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make up your minds americans.

cant have it both ways.

when over 50% of americans cannot get health insurance and the prices are too expensive and pre existing conditons over whelm most of the middle class maybe americans will want a universal plan.

americans are not compassionate people capitalism creates a very materialistic society. ie profits over people needs.

now hunger that is good for children it will make them get out and work for slave wages like they did in years past.

keiths worst person tonight

capitalism is self destructing just like communism did.

americans cheered when communism self destructed not realizing they were next.

with communism man exploits man with capitalism it is the other way around.

if you are middle or lower class and you dont see how capitalism is exploiting you then you are asleep.

or stated another way ok I will not say it.

oh wait…

missmolly, it’s the familiar troll tactic: conjure up some imaginary scenario, and then base your argument on that being reality. JohnM is a big fan of that style of “debate” and once he gets it in his head, it’s impossible to dislodge with any size dose of actual reality.

He’s a troll with no heart and no compassion for anyone but himself and his own selfish needs. He has no concept of supporting his fellow Americans and the saddest thing of all is he thinks he’s right.

Good job as always on the troll bashing but I think this one is just a lost cause.

Here is the scoop. Between the ages of 18 and 65, the only option for a not-for-profit, tax-sponsored, health insurance plan is through Medicaid. Medicaid is the insurance that welfare recipients or disabled Americans get. It reimburses much less than even Medicare, so good luck finding a doctor that actually takes it.

For the 50 million Americans who have no health insurance, their only option is to apply for Social Security Disability benefits, which most of them will be refused.

The other option to obtain Medicaid is to reach a “spend down,” which is a euphemism for going bankrupt and essentially losing everything you have due to medical bills. In other words, people are encouraged to run up medical bills they know will bankrupt them in order to get a chance at health insurance.

Now, let’s look at some more reality. The government thinks you are entitled to health insurance only if you are under 18, 65 or older, an elected politician, or if you can find a job that offers insurance, or can afford to spend a third or more of your net annual income on health insurance premiums.

The funny thing about finding a job that provides health insurance is, the more sick people employers insure, the more expensive their premiums. Not only will our 50-something diabetic not be able to find affordable health insurance because of pre-existing conditions, she will also not find an employer that will hire her because of her age and health. This use to be called discrimination. I think they call it risk management these days.

The other issue regarding this lady obtaining a decent occupation is that she will be a worker’s compensation risk as well, and in case you all haven’t been paying attention, many state worker’s comp insurance companies are also for-profit, so prepare to be treated like a queen when you have that first work injury. You will love them.

If this diabetic were to have her first heart attack or stroke on the job, she may be entitled to workers compensation benefits if it can be shown her work had something to do with it. No employer wants both their health insurance and workers compensation insurance premiums going up because of one diabetic employee.

If we had single payer, not-for-profit healthcare and outlawed for-profit worker’s compensation insurance, this lady could find a decent job, and have her disease both appropriately monitored and treated to provide her many more years of productivity in the work place.

As it stands for her, the government has run away with their corporate bribes and left this poor American out in the cold.

That is economic blackmail.

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I know an exwife who lives in a 21 room home on an estate. She pays zero for the coverage of her children. Her exhusband works too jobs. She works one seasonally. I can get you the name of her lawyer if you want it…

She just needs a decent lawyer to ensure the husband has to continue to provide coverage.
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Yes, I’m sure this will factor into the alimony package somehow. Even though her husband is a skunk, and I wouldn’t mind seeing him soaked dry, I suspect that getting that kind of money out of him will be like getting blood out of a turnip. Unfortunately, once he’s divorced, she is no longer eligible for benefits from his employer, so he’d have to pony up the money for her out of his own pocket, which he really doesn’t have (but her lawyer will grab whatever is possible, I’m sure).

I suppose they could stay married, but she’s not wildly enthusiastic about that idea at this point.

This is why I deplore the current system. Health care should not be dependent on employment or marriage.

misscoleopteramolly Says:
JohnM Says
How much is her certain amount? $10 a month? She just wants somebody else to pay for most of it.

That’s an unbelievably pompous remark, even from you. She said nothing to indicate she would only be willing to pay $10 and expected “somebody else” to pay for the rest.

missmolly, it’s the familiar troll tactic: conjure up some imaginary scenario, and then base your argument on that being reality. JohnM is a big fan of that style of “debate” and once he gets it in his head, it’s impossible to dislodge with any size dose of actual reality.

Just one more big reason why we need universal coverage.

sigh

aka

he don’t give a |=()C|<

after his non-competition expires he’s set for life

I have a close friend whose husband is leaving her in order to marry another woman. My friend has a job in a small company (three people) with no insurance benefits. This wasn’t a concern at the time she was hired (heck, she was happy just to have a job), because her husband had insurance.

She just needs a decent lawyer to ensure the husband has to continue to provide coverage.

How much is her certain amount? $10 a month? She just wants somebody else to pay for most of it.
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That’s an unbelievably pompous remark, even from you. She said nothing to indicate she would only be willing to pay $10 and expected “somebody else” to pay for the rest. She said she wanted something she could afford. This amount can be different for everyone, depending on circumstances.

I have a close friend whose husband is leaving her in order to marry another woman. My friend has a job in a small company (three people) with no insurance benefits. This wasn’t a concern at the time she was hired (heck, she was happy just to have a job), because her husband had insurance.

Unfortunately, when the husband leaves, the insurance does, too. So my friend investigated what getting insurance on her own would cost. She has a couple of pre-existing conditions (although none as severe as diabetes), and she’s in her mid-thirties, but she’s lucky — she found an insurance company that would take her. For $1,013.00 a month. This woman nets $350 a week. If she took that, she’d wind up with about $400 a month to live on after she paid her health insurance premium. That’s insane.

Naturally, she’s now looking for a job that offers health insurance as a benefit. But jobs of any kind are hard to come by these days, let alone jobs with benefits.

She would benefit greatly from a public plan. She just wants to pay what she can afford — you know, up to a “certain amount” (which would be well over $10 in her case, but certainly not as high as a thousand). She also wants a plan that will cover her no matter what pre-existing conditions she has, what her job status is, or what her marital status is. This isn’t looking for a handout. This is basic human decency.

There are real people out there caught up in the bad end of this sucky system. Do you have an employer who pays all or part of the cost of your health insurance? Does the government pay for any part of your health insurance? Can you afford to pay 100% of your own health insurance with no help from an employer, the government, or any other party? If you can say “yes” to any of these, goody for you. You’ve lucked out. But shame on you for mocking those who aren’t as fortunate.