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For sure we can’t shift all the blame for this bungle.

MapleStreet Says:

I ***STILL*** don’t get it.

The military doesn’t want the F-22. They say it doesn’t fit the needs of the war of the future. The plane hasn’t been tested in combat or even a close simulation -

Well I can see why you don’t get it because your information is absolutely incorrect. The F22 Fighter has been tested extensively in simulated combat and has been proven itself superior on all counts.

In fact the F22s were able to defeat superior forces as much as 10 times their own numbers.

From Wiki:

Service history

On 15 December 2005 the USAF announced that the Raptor had reached its Initial Operational Capability (IOC).[88]

During Exercise Northern Edge in Alaska in June 2006, 12 F-22s of the 94th FS downed 108 adversaries with no losses in simulated combat exercises.

In two weeks of exercises, the Raptor-led Blue Force amassed 241 kills against two losses in air-to-air combat, and neither Blue Force loss was an F-22.

This was followed with the Raptor’s first participation in a Red Flag exercise. 14 F-22s of the 94th FS supported attacking Blue Force strike packages as well as engaging in close air support sorties themselves in Red Flag 07-1 between 3 February and 16 February 2007. Against designed superior numbers of Red Force Aggressor F-15s and F-16s, it established air dominance using eight aircraft during day missions and six at night, reportedly defeating the Aggressors quickly and efficiently, even though the exercise rules of engagement allowed for four to five Red Force regenerations of losses but none to Blue Force.

Further, no sorties were missed because of maintenance or other failures, and only one Raptor was adjudged lost against the virtual annihilation of the defending force

The F22 have also intercepted Russian bombers.

F-22A Raptors of the 90th Fighter Squadron performed their first intercept of two Russian Tu-95MS ‘Bear-H’ bombers in Alaska, on 22 November 2007. This was the first time that F-22s had been called to support a NORAD mission.

And it has been declared “fully operational” by the Air Combat Command.

On 12 December 2007, General John D.W. Corley, USAF, Commander of Air Combat Command, officially declared the F-22s of the integrated active duty 1st Fighter Wing and Virginia Air National Guard 192d Fighter Wing fully operational, three years after the first Raptor arrived at Langley Air Force Base, Virginia.

This was followed from 13 April to 19 April 2008 by an Operational Readiness Inspection (ORI) of the integrated wing in which it received an “excellent” rating in all categories while scoring a simulated kill-ratio of 221-0.

There’s a lot of misinformation being spread out there like your comment, or this article which calls it’s “worthless”, which is just incorrect.

The F-22 is not that useful in our current engagements in Iraq and Afghanistan, where we are busy occupying smaller, backwards countries who have no functioning air force.

But should war break out with a developed nation with a modern, intact air force, such as North Korea, then the F-22 will mean air superiority and will save countless US Pilots lives.

When you can send a handful of F-22’s up against 200 enemy fighters and not lose a single fighter, then it’s a no brainer.

Last week, over the objections of Defense Secretary Robert Gates and the Obama administration, the House Armed Services Committee restored funding for the basically useless F-22 fighter jet,

Useless against third world countries we are invading and occupying, who have no air force to speak of, sure.

But if war breaks out in North Korea, you won’t be calling it useless.

I know our pilots won’t be.

The military doesn’t want the F-22. They say it doesn’t fit the needs of the war of the future. The plane hasn’t been tested in combat or even a close simulation – so the claims of superiority are the hopes of the manufacturers. It costs a fortune relative to resources which the military DOES want (and can’t be obtained cause the money is paying for the F-22).

So why are we still ordering more ?

Updated list:

1) dbadass
2)tony and lido
3)Reggie
4) ralph
5) angels81
6) joe cantwell
7) Shadowboxer
8) pastcaring
9) shayne
10)gummitch
11) StratRat
12)vinylspear
13) toasterhead
14) RUC
15) Shayne
16) Gregor Samsa
17) Pachydiplax de St. Augustine
18) hormiga brava chavez

p.s.-What hormiga said!

Way to go Barney Frank! Finally a Democratic Senator with some cojones!

Is that what you call them? I thought they were a Liberal tea bag?

As far as the money goes. At least it would go for something that America might be able to actually use…unlike B.O.’s all DemocRATic Pork Bill he signed into law…after breaking another promise!

Updated list:

1) dbadass
2)tony and lido
3)Reggie
4) ralph
5) angels81
6) joe cantwell
7) Shadowboxer
8) pastcaring
9) shayne
10)gummitch
11) StratRat
12)vinylspear
13) toasterhead
14) RUC
15) Shayne
16) Gregor Samsa
17) Pachydiplax de St. Augustine
18) hormiga brava chavez

I’m late – it’s been busy on the ant farm! I’m you all. Chill AJ!

Way to go Barney Frank! Finally a Democratic Senator with some cojones! Expose those GOPers and DINOs for their hypocrisy!

There’s an old saying that’s widely attributed to Chuck Yeager.

“There’s no substitute for a Mark 1 eyeball“.

The facts of air warfare, until further notice, make a pilot on the scene a necessity. For one thing, a pilots sences can’t be jammed. And, for another, pilots are better at making decisions than any computer. “Friendly fire” and “collateral damage” are the two best reasons for manned aircraft.

Again, I think that there is a value, hard to define in dollars, to providing the best and most expensive weapons to our military personnel. And the sad fact is that we need to replace assets that have been wasted in pursuit of Bushco’s follies.

Heck! If you think the F-22 is causing a flap, wait until the bills come due on the next generation of transports/tankers. We are sending young men to war in aircraft that are older than their parents.

As I see it, we haven’t planned on going toe to toe with Russia or China in quite some time. We do, however, need to plan on fighting their latest equipment in the hopes that it’s never a necessity.

One of the things that pushed the F-22 was the breakup of the Soviet block. Getting a close look at the Russian equipment of the East Germans was a real wake up call. We found out that our latest planes, including the F-15, faced some serious disadvantages. Since that time everyone in “The West” has made huge investments in next generation weapons.

Don’t get me wrong. I think we can and should cut military spending. I think we should demand more from our allies and move towards more commonality. But, we can’t ignore the treats we might face.

N. Korea, Pakistan, and Iran are just three potential enemies that we know have modern weapons systems. And we can’t predict what kind of lunatics might come into possession of advanced weapons.

The A-10 is really something else. And, I fear, that we are making a mistake trying to fill their role with F-35s. It strikes me as similar to using a Ferrari as a garbage truck.