Rep. Neugebauer: ‘I Don’t Know’ If Obama Is A Citizen
Rep. Neugebauer: ‘I Don’t Know’ If Obama Is A Citizen
Rep. Bill Posey’s (R-FL) bill aimed at casting doubt over the citizenship status of President Obama appears to be gaining momentum within the Republican Party. The bill would require candidates for President to supply their birth certificates to the Federal Elections Commission to be eligible to run. Placating fringe elements of the right-wing movement who refuse to believe that President Obama was born in America, Posey himself has refused to say if he believes that the President was born in Hawaii.
Though initially it appeared he had little support, Posey eventually gained Rep. John Culberson (R-TX), Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-TX), Rep. Robert Goodlatte (R-VA), and Rep. John Carter (R-TX) as cosponsors. Last week, Rep. John Campbell (R-CA) also signed on as a sponsor of the bill, while Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) said that he would support the bill if it reaches the Senate.
Speaking to the Texas-based Chad Hasty radio show yesterday, Neugebauer explained his support for the “birther” movement:
Q: So you believe the President is a US citizen?
NEUGEBAUER: You know I don’t know. I’ve never seen him produce documents that would say one way or another.
Listen here:
Of course, Obama was born in America and his birth certificate is widely available on the Internet. In response to an avalanche of conspiracy theories fabricated largely by Fox News and various right-wing media outlets, FactCheck.org has extensively researched the issue and provided Obama’s birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser, a copy of the certificate with a raised seal, and the stamp of Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka.
But the truth has not deterred radicals like Posey and Neugebauer from attempting to cast Obama as some sort of illegitimate foreigner. World Net Daily, a conservative site highly supportive of Posey’s efforts, has begun fund raising to place billboards around the country questioning Obama’s citizenship.
Posey claims other congressmen have wished him “good luck” with his legislation, but have yet to sign on.
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And the responsible people in Hawaii have verified that the birth certificate is legitimate. Those people who continue to question this in print should be sued.
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:52 pmAnother Joe, BITE ME.
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:53 pm‘I don’t know’ if there is even one Republican with two brain cells to rub together.
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:55 pmExcellent!! I expect Fox News to cover this breaking story. This is tea-baggin’ big!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:55 pmNice.
The GOP is being taken over by “Birthers”…
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:00 pmAnyone really surprised?
I don’t know if Neugebauer has a brain, I’ve never seen it.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:00 pmDon’t these idiot Repubs have anything better to do with their time!!! If these bill for some reason passes….it will so laughable that President Obama will put the veto pen to it!! Then I have to say, when Texas secedes from the United States, will John Culberson (R-TX), Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-TX), Rep. Robert Goodlatte (R-VA), and Rep. John Carter (R-TX) resign from the Congress?
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:01 pmIf we are going to look at birth documents….lets look at JOHN McCAIN’s…….oh they voted to excuse McCain not being born in USA!
Did this clown vote for that bill to overlook McCain’s Panama Birth certificate????
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:03 pmIf Barack Obama was not a U.S. citizen don’t you think Senator Hillary Clinton would have everything posssible to prove this so she could be the Democratic candidate for president?
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:04 pmWhat taxes are you referring to?
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:04 pmI don’t doubt that Obama is a citizen, but it makes sense to require a presidential candidates to supply a birth certificate to the federal election commissions to alleviate any doubt since it is a requirement of the job.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:04 pmSounds like more idiotic distractions from the far right to cover for their do nothing party of obstruction and fire up their 21% intellectually challenged, drooling, knuckle dragging neanderthal base.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:05 pmWhen ya got nuthin’ in the way of new ideas and you don’t mind looking like a dunce in public, then you MIGHT just be a Texas Republican.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:05 pmhar5125 Says:
If Barack Obama was not a U.S. citizen don’t you think Senator Hillary Clinton would have everything posssible to prove this so she could be the Democratic candidate for president?
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:06 pm“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““`
Or John McCain, or Sarah Palin or the GOP smear machine….
WOW
Even by TP backwash-bloggin’ standards, it is a pretty long stretch to say this “not an American citizen” meme is “gaining momentum within the Republican Party.”
I accept that this is no longer the blog to come and get information and dialog about salient issues, but sensationalism and fearmongering like this just lowers TP to the level of faux news and the rest of the msm.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:07 pm…Pretty amazing that the conspiracy goes all the way back to 1961 and was so clever that someone actually prepared a Honolulu Advertiser Birth Announcement for Barack Obama on the 1-in-a-gazillion chance that 48 years later he would be elected president.
…Man…Now that is foresight.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:08 pmIf Posey is the grandson of a gator, then Neugebauer, being from Texas must be the grandson of a horned lizard.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:08 pmJohnM – funny thing is, when the gropenator looked like he was going to be an unstoppable heir apparent to the chimpy dynasty (before CA absolutely collapsed on arnold’s watch), some here would have supported this bill.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:09 pmDoes Neugebauer realize that the Governor of Hawaii is republican? Maybe he should give her a call.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:10 pmGo for it, a$$hole. Finish the job of making the GOP the party of the certifiably insane. Meanwhile, we grownups will attend to the country’s ACTUAL problems.
Idiot.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:11 pmRep. Neugebauer: ‘I Don’t Know’ If Obama Is A Citizen
– - Neugebauer: “What I do know fer sure is that Obama is a Moooslim.”
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:11 pmThese clowns had eight years to do everything their way and they chose to piss it away by giving cheney/bush the power to make the rich richer. They simply do not have anything to offer which will make the lives of all Americans better. So, now they are the party of “no” and the party of “The world is coming to an end.” unless we are back in power again. We certainly don’t hear them begging for the “good ol’ days of cheney/bush!”
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JohnM – funny thing is, when the gropenator looked like he was going to be an unstoppable heir apparent to the chimpy dynasty (before CA absolutely collapsed on arnold’s watch), some here would have supported this bill.
It all goes to political motive.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:12 pmArticle 2, Section 1 of the Constitution: No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Boys and girls, it already is a law.
Of course, either ignoring the law or being ignorant of it is something Republicans seem to be good at.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:13 pmHoodathunktick Says:
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Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution: No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Boys and girls, it already is a law.
Of course, either ignoring the law or being ignorant of it is something Republicans seem to be good at.
Looks like the republicans no longer want ignore the law, good for them.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:14 pmSomeone call Don McLeroy, Randy Neugebauer is proof that evolution is wrong.
I want to see proof that he is not part lizard!
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:16 pmohnM Says:
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Another Joe Says:
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JohnM – funny thing is, when the gropenator looked like he was going to be an unstoppable heir apparent to the chimpy dynasty (before CA absolutely collapsed on arnold’s watch), some here would have supported this bill.
It all goes to political motive.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:12 pm
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two trolls with
but one thought.
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amazing.
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June 23rd, 2009 at 6:17 pmThe true brilliance of the right is on display here. All of the evidence in the world is not evidence enough if they disagree with the end result. They ‘feel’ that Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii, even though all available evidence points to this conclusion. It is amazing that they have the cojones to suggest that the left is interested in feelings, not facts, when almost every singular argument they make provides shabby facts and a huge leap of faith.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:18 pmJohnM says: Looks like the republicans no longer want ignore the law, good for them.
Actually this ridiculous meme has been challenged and the US judicial system has already ruled.
So the ignorant part definitely kicks in.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:19 pmI’ve never seen a Komodo dragon up close, only pictures of it that I neither can nor cannot authenticate. So I guess it doesn’t exist…
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:19 pmIdiot birthers!
After what happened to the security guard in DC it would do the repug teabaggers good to stay away from this bs.
I think this fool should provide a mental health certificate.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:20 pm“Rep. Neugebauer: ‘I Don’t Know’ If Obama Is A Citizen”
Good lord.. Here we go again with the same old crapola from another idiot who lost his brain in a closet: Is Obama a citizen.
File this under: Planet Wingnuttia
GOP are getting to be more comical everyday and running out of real ideas to attack Obama. I seriously believe that the actual entire Republican party were abducted by aliens.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:20 pmIt is absoultely amazing how the Republican Party, the bastion of reality and hard evidence over empathy, has lately been using believe, think, understand and faith as their justification for their actions.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:22 pmSee, this is where reading something online loses the human touch. You can’t tell the difference between:
“Good luck!” with an admiring smile and a thumbs-up gesture,
or…
“Good luck…” delivered in a distracted tone with an eye-roll while moving away quickly.
My guess is there are a lot of the second kind coming his way…
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:22 pmThese fruitcakes may take their cue from their “queen-bee” Orly Taitz.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:23 pmrepugs are just idiots.
They are the ones who voted Arnold into office and he doesn’t have an US birth certificate, this is ok in their hypocritical book.
These are the same teabag idiots who would change the rules if one of their own needed to be voted into office.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:28 pmIt’s unbelievable that these mouth breathing, knuckle draggers are still trying to beat this dead horse…
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:29 pmThey had better take the time to redo the republican party in a way that the populous becomes interested in once again, or goodbye! to old tired rubbish..
Y’know… it seems like there’s a whole lot more documentation establishing the Hawaii birth of Barack Obama than there is establishing the ANG training record of George W. Bush in Alabama twelve years later.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:30 pmI don’t know if Bill Posey is alive. He could be a reanimated corpse.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:30 pmLet them flail around in with their conspiracy theorists base. Even if the State of Hawaii produced the original document for expert analysis they would find some other angle to try discredit it.
This is all about the color of his skin and the fact they cannot stand the idea of a black man in the whitehouse……..plain and simple.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:31 pmGame of Life Says:
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repugs are just idiots.
They are the ones who voted Arnold into office and he doesn’t have an US birth certificate, this is ok in their hypocritical book.
To be a governor, it is not required to be born in the United States.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:31 pmSome of the more vile birthers take issue with the fact that his mother was white.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:35 pmWhy is it when Republicans come up with some silly azzed conspiracy theory, it makes the news but when anyone else posits a possible conspiracy it immediately goes in the tinfoil hat bin?
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:36 pmI have a great idea for a new game show: It’s called “Are you smarter than a Republican Congressman?”. All you have to do to win is correctly identify one letter out of the alphabet. The prize money won’t be much considering all but about 21% of the US population would be able to win.
This game show would run right after the new reality show called “I Love Moosey” starring Sarah Palin! Just think what the advertisers would pay to advertise on these shows!
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:40 pmMethinks that what we really need is a comprehensive sanity test that candidates for public office need to pass (with at least 75% right answers) before they are eligible to run.. Sample question: is planet earth a sphere or is it flat?
Maybe other TP commenters can suggest a few other questions that would be useful in screening candidates for public office.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:41 pmthis is the type of legislation cancervatives are wasting tax payer’s money on and they wonder why they are in the minority?
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:42 pmBlueShark Says:
…Pretty amazing that the conspiracy goes all the way back to 1961 and was so clever that someone actually prepared a Honolulu Advertiser Birth Announcement for Barack Obama on the 1-in-a-gazillion chance that 48 years later he would be elected president.
…Man…Now that is foresight.
This is what happens when teabaggers believe in fiction show called 24.
By momentum do you mean an extra 2 idiots?
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:43 pmRep. Neugebauer: ‘I Don’t Know’ If Obama Is A Citizen
That’s odd , Congressman ; I do know that you’re a complete jackass………
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:46 pmDidn’t some one already state that his mother was a citizen and therefore makes President Obama an US citizen?
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:47 pmFunny how the Zombie Republican mind struggles with reality.
This guy has republicani disease is all.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:52 pmNEUGEBAUER: You know I don’t know. I’ve never seen him produce documents that would say one way or another.
Funny , since when was it a law that the President of the US has to answer to one moronic Southern Republican Congressman ………..?
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:53 pmHas anyone seen Rep. Neugebauer real birth certificate,if not,why?
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:55 pmJune 21, 1788
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:56 pmNEUGEBAUER: You know I don’t know. I’ve never seen him produce documents that would say one way or another.
And with your level of intelligence they would probably have to talk since reading the evidence of US courts is beyond your capability.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:56 pmRep. Bill Pussy’s (R-FL) – I’ve not seen yours either, as$hole, so I have to question your citizenship also.
These guys are the worst soul grapes fcukheads that we have ever witnessed in our nations long history.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:58 pmSo progressives wouldn’t support a law requiring proof of citizenship to hold the office of the president?
Why?
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:59 pmRep. Neugebauer: ‘I Don’t Know’ If Obama Is A Citizen
But, congressman, it’s a pretty safe bet he is a citizen. just like it’s a fairly safe bet you’re the result of years and years of redneck yokel inbreeding.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:59 pmFreethinkingMan,
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:00 pmwould this charade be going on if grampy mclame were elected? afterall, he was born in the canal zone which is no longer a part of the united states. if your answer is “no”, this whole “movement” is nothing more than a witch hunt aimed at obama.
You misrepresent (or misunderstand) the progressive position.
There already IS a law that states no one may serve as President who is not a natural born citizen. This requirement must be met, and evidence must be produced to prove the case.
What proof would you require?
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:02 pmIt was nice of them to take time away from their busy schedule of obstructing health care for sick and dying Americans.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:03 pmAnother Joe – can you just get the hell out of here…you are a POS and we don’t f’n care what you think about jacksh!t…FCUK OFF, AS$HOLE.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:03 pmFreethinkingMan Says:
So progressives wouldn’t support a law requiring proof of citizenship to hold the office of the president?
Snerk! Ain’t there already one on the books, Gomer?
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:04 pmI live in his district, in the 2nd most conservative city in the US–> nothing progressive going on here. He just says what others tell him. These days its all about obstruction–> not a creative positive idea in his head.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:04 pmBuckie Boy Says:
you got it Buckie Boy. Sour grapes. Republicans must stop wasting time and resources on sour grapes, and just quit.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:04 pmFreethinkingMan Says:
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Funny , since when was it a law that the President of the US has to answer to one moronic Southern Republican Congressman ………..?
June 21, 1788
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:56 pm
What is that ?
McCain’s date of birth ?
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:06 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
Y’know… it seems like there’s a whole lot more documentation establishing the Hawaii birth of Barack Obama than there is establishing the ANG training record of George W. Bush in Alabama twelve years later.
Right you are!
It seems the EX Commander-in-Chief (the junkie drunk) chimpy should relayed his AWOL wereabouts. This bag of screw ups could have been a spy, something on the line of his family legacy.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:06 pmObviously, TP will not make the trolls go away. But if we ignore them COMPLETELY, they’ll probably go away on their own.
It’s worth a try.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:06 pmWhy the Re=Thugs forever and always have that bigger than life-sized middle finger out (bigger than anything they can find in their pants) – snarling and drooling while they punch it repeatedly into the face of the black community?
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:06 pm*
FreethinkingMan Says:
So progressives wouldn’t support a law requiring proof of citizenship to hold the office of the president?
Why?
Because there already is one? Because the question has already been answered? Because the idea of free thinking is obviously one you don’t really comprehend?
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:07 pmAw, c’mon guys, nuge’s just stirring the chamber pot. A fine old republican tradition.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:08 pmLooks like we can add Buckie’s name to the list.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:08 pmJohnM Says:
Game of Life Says:
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repugs are just idiots.
They are the ones who voted Arnold into office and he doesn’t have an US birth certificate, this is ok in their hypocritical book.
To be a governor, it is not required to be born in the United States.
I know this. But it’s still funny/strange that they accept a foreign born into their raggedy club.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:10 pmralph, what’s the list? I’m not wading through all that troll shit.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:14 pmFreethinkingMan Says:
So progressives wouldn’t support a law requiring proof of citizenship to hold the office of the president?
Why?
Because it’s the law already.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:14 pmZooey, it’s a list of folks who have at one time or another told Another Joe to STFU. dbadass started it. Quite the community organizer, that guy. The list is getting pretty long . Might be over twenty by now.
Are you in?
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:18 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
Zooey, it’s a list of folks who have at one time or another told Another Joe to STFU. dbadass started it. Quite the community organizer, that guy. The list is getting pretty long . Might be over twenty by now.
Are you in?
I’m definitely in.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:20 pmAnother Joe, STFU.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:20 pmAdd wiley to the list too.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:22 pmUpdated list:
1) dbadass
2) tony and lido
3) Reggie
4) ralph
5) angels81
6) joe cantwell
7) Shadowboxer
8) pastcaring
9) shayne
10) gummitch
11) StratRat
12)vinylspear
13) toasterhead
14) RUC
15) Shayne
16) Gregor Samsa
17) Pachydiplax de St. Augustine
18) Buckie Boy
19) Zooey
20) wiley
Who are we missing?
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:22 pmIt amazes me how the repubs will distract attention from some stupid event they’ve pulled out of their ass to another stupid event they’ve pulled out of their ass.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:26 pmThey’re consistent if nothing else.
ralph the wonder locust Says:
Who are we missing?
I tried a rational appeal but got no response. I suppose you can put me on the list but, with an asterisk.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:30 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
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Updated list:
1) dbadass
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:33 pm2) tony and lido
3) Reggie
4) ralph
5) angels81
6) joe cantwell
7) Shadowboxer
8) pastcaring
9) shayne
10) gummitch
11) StratRat
12)vinylspear
13) toasterhead
14) RUC
15) Shayne
16) Gregor Samsa
17) Pachydiplax de St. Augustine
18) Buckie Boy
19) Zooey
20) wiley
21) hormiga brava chavez
Hoodathunktick Says:
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FreethinkingMan Says:
So progressives wouldn’t support a law requiring proof of citizenship to hold the office of the president?
Why?
Because there already is one? Because the question has already been answered? Because the idea of free thinking is obviously one you don’t really comprehend?
There is no law in place to prove citizenship, which is what freethinking man was saying. Of course it is already a law that the president be born in the United States, but why not have a verification process through the federal election committee?
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:34 pmBack on topic:
What else should we expect from those who build their world-view by denying reality? I’m quite certain these dumb-asses are also convinced that Global warming is a hoax and the World is 6,000 years old. We can’t argue with them, only ridicule them until they are pushed to the side.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:37 pmJohnM says: There is no law in place to prove citizenship.
Is this a Republican who says the Constitution is not law?
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:37 pmAll this hysterical talk about Obama’s citizenship reminds me of when I played softball and once in a while a good player would be accused of being a ringer. Of course it only happened when the player was really, really good.
The fact of the matter is, a solid majority of the voters voted for Obama. And all the other side can do is focus on his eligibility.
In a way it a compliment to Obama.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:39 pmHoodathunktick Says:
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JohnM says: There is no law in place to prove citizenship.
Is this a Republican who says the Constitution is not law?
To what body must a candidate prove that he was born in the United States? How is it proven?
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:40 pmEverytime I think I’ve seen and heard it all from the wingnut fringe of the Republican party – they do something else crazy!
Now they’re appealing to the birther crazies.
Neugbauer and his cohorts are nuttier than a fruit cake if they think this will wash. If there’s a hell it must be located in TX. Seems like most of the hell spew comes from nearly all of the politicians in TX.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:41 pmArticle 2, Section 1 of the Constitution: No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
To be eligible to run for the office of President, one must, by the US Constitution, be able to show they are a natural born citizen.
Either that or they were foreign born prior to 1776.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:42 pmAnd, of course, they seem to have forgotten that the SCOTUS laughed the silly complaint out of court. If the SCOTUS, despite it’s 5-4 “conservative” majority, is convinced? It’s good enough for me.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:43 pmFinal Jeopardy, JohnM before you hit the Troll showers and disappear.
The US Judicial system. Which President Obama satisfied.
One more stupid question and you cease to exist.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:43 pmDid Neugebauer prove that he was born in the US? Or any other former President or Congressman for that matter? I’m sure they all had to go through background checks, etc. Which ought to be sufficient enough!
All this is just another jab from white supremiscists because they loathe having an African-American President.
To them I say GET OVER IT!
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:44 pmHoodathunktick Says:
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Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution: No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
To be eligible to run for the office of President, one must, by the US Constitution, be able to show they are a natural born citizen.
Either that or they were foreign born prior to 1776.
And how is this proven? I am saying that there should be a process for which it is done. A law is not worth much if it is not enforced, which is why there should be a verification process through the federal elections commission.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:44 pmHoodathunktick Says:
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Final Jeopardy, JohnM before you hit the Troll showers and disappear.
The US Judicial system. Which President Obama satisfied.
One more stupid question and you cease to exist.
Actually thye never verified it, they simply threw out the case. There was no verification of his citizenship. I say this fully believing that he is a citizen, but believe there should be a standard governing body that verifies citizenship of candidates.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:46 pmbuhbye, JohnM. May you and AJ have fun in circle jerk heaven.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:47 pmJohnM, what kind of documentation would satisfy you?
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:48 pmHoodathunktick Says:
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buhbye, JohnM. May you and AJ have fun in circle jerk heaven.
I figured you would not be able to answer the question, because there is no such system or process. I don’t understand why you would be against enforcing a law in the constitution.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:48 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
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JohnM, what kind of documentation would satisfy you?
Just a simple birth certificate verification through a government body would do. The federal elections commission seems like the most logical choice.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:49 pmHere you go, stupid trolls. Knock yourselves out.
This view was rejected by the state authorities, the media and independent factchecking organizations. FactCheck.org was invited to view the Obama campaign’s hard copy of the candidate’s Certification of Live Birth and concluded:
[I]t meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as “supporting documents” to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.[14
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:53 pmJohnM Says:
ralph the wonder locust Says:
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JohnM, what kind of documentation would satisfy you?
Just a simple birth certificate verification through a government body would do. The federal elections commission seems like the most logical choice.
I thought bureaucracy was bad? Now here you and “conservatives” want to add more. It’s perplexing, especially since it’s a solution in search of a problem. We’ve managed to get along without it since 1789 and it only turned out to be an issue when the Black man got elected. Funny thing about that.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:58 pmSince President Obama has produced such a valid birth certificate then this is a purely theoretical question for you, correct?
You either a) don’t doubt the validity of Obama’s eligibility to serve and are simply seeking to eliminate any confusion in the future,
or
b) you DO doubt the authenticity of the President’s birth certificate, despite its verification by numerous independent agencies, and need to have a government agency confirm it before you’ll believe it. IF you’ll ever believe it, that is.
Do I have that right, JohnM?
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:01 pmYou’re getting a little picky here. Do you KNOW for sure that he is a citizen? It’s almost guaranteed; but no one really knows ANYTHING for sure.
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:02 pmPresident Obama has proven his identity, including place of birth, to the U.S. Government. He proved it when he got his passport. He proved it when he got his driver’s license. He proved it when he filled out his student aid forms. He proved it when he’s registered to vote. He’s proved it when he applied to run for State and Federal elected office.
Then he proved it by supplying a copy of his birth certificate and it was confirmed by Hawaiian officials to, amng others, the SCOTUS.
Face it losers. You got NOTHING!
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:04 pmI know for sure that I wear contact lenses.
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:09 pmI’m deleting my double and adding Game of Life as Requested:
1) dbadass
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:29 pm2) tony and lido
3) Reggie
4) ralph
5) angels81
6) joe cantwell
7) Shadowboxer
8) pastcaring
9) shayne
10) gummitch
11) StratRat
12)vinylspear
13) toasterhead
14) RUC
15) Game of Life
16) Gregor Samsa
17) Pachydiplax de St. Augustine
18) Buckie Boy
19) Zooey
20) wiley
21) hormiga brava chavez
22) Dr. Matt
ralph the wonder locust Says:
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JohnM Says:
ralph the wonder locust Says:
JohnM, what kind of documentation would satisfy you?
Just a simple birth certificate verification through a government body would do. The federal elections commission seems like the most logical choice.
Since President Obama has produced such a valid birth certificate then this is a purely theoretical question for you, correct?
You either a) don’t doubt the validity of Obama’s eligibility to serve and are simply seeking to eliminate any confusion in the future,
This is correct.
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:40 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
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JohnM Says:
Just a simple birth certificate verification through a government body would do. The federal elections commission seems like the most logical choice.
Thanks for proving you have zero concept of logic or reality. Such verification does not fall under the jursdication of the FEC, you teabagging anti-American pedophi|e.
It does not fall under their jurisdiction now, but I think it should. Why is it illogical to not have a body that verifies this?
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:42 pmCrazy Joe Farah just added a $10,000 reward to the birther pot.
http://www.tips-q.com/1063197-farah-stirs-birther-pot-unobtainable-10000
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:01 pmGreat idea! In 60 years or so, when the Republican Party makes a comeback and regains the majority, they can make this the first order of business. In the meantime, I think they should focus on their strengths – saying stupid things on the record, banging their employees, taking hikes, and doing nothing in Congress.
Can you imagine giving the FEC the power to decide who’s birth certificate is approvable, thereby controlling who gets to run for POTUS? I’m only surprised that Karl Rove didn’t get the Republican rubberstamping Congress to approve this when Bush had control of Congress and the FEC. Something tells me that no Democrat’s CoB would ever be acceptable to these anti-socialists. What a supremely stupid idea.
And, for the record, another joe – STFU.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:21 pmralph the wonder locust Says
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Updated list:
1) dbadass
2) etc.
Who are we missing?
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Well, normally you’d be able to put me on such a list — only technically I’m not eligible since I haven’t told AJ to STFU.
Yet.
As most people know, it takes a great deal to push me to that point. But I have reached it before (causing much comment from the other posters here), and AJ is just the type of troll to push me there again.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:26 pmCrikey. Whatever these asshats have been smoking, well, it’s powerful stuff. Sheesh.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:36 pmOh – and Shayne? You forgot me. ;o)
~A
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:37 pmHey, Neugebaur.
Du hast keine Kontrolle. Einer shwarz Mann ist Vorsitzende.
Aufgeben.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:51 pmIt really makes no difference where Barack Obama was born. He could have been born on the moon and still be a citizen. BECAUSE HIS MOTHER IS A CITIZEN. Why is it that none of the fool commentators ask these people how they get around that inconvenient truth?
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:18 pmAnd on to McCain. McCain was born in Panama to American parents. So people say that automatically makes him a US citizen (but not Obama for some reason). Anyway, the law that was passed making children of US citizens born outside the US automatically citizens was passed four years after John McCain was born. And the law WAS NOT RETROACTIVE. So, when you get right down to it, McCain was the one not eligible to run for President.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:34 pmAccording to the U.S. Constitution the President must be a “natural born” U.S. citizen, which is an undefined concept. You could argue that being born to an American citizen is “natural born”. Or you could argue that one would have to be born on U.S. soil, which would mean that McCain isn’t eligible either, because he was born in Panama. By that logic, anyone born to two American born parents would not be eligible for the presidency if they worn overseas for any reason. Pretty stupid and arbitrary. Kind of animistic.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:36 pmif they were born…sheesh
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:37 pmFair enough, missmolly.
A few regulars have declined to sign, and that is fine.
Please be advised, however, that it is not strictly a STFU list. It’s just a list of those who have reached the point of suggesting Another Joe knock it off with his trolling.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:57 pmNEUGEBAUER: You know I don’t know. I’ve never seen him produce documents that would say one way or another.
“My mamma said if I kept doing that, I’d go blind (and grow hair on the palms of my hands). I just couldn’t help it. Sorry I can’t see what’s shoved right under my nose….”
Cheers,
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:22 pmI told it to f uck off, so I’m in. Thanks, ralph. :)
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:24 pmBTW, doesn’t anybody think we have a constitutional right to have an opposition party that isn’t certifiably insane? Didn’t the founders think that this was an essential part of political checks and balances?
Cheers,
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:25 pmI can only conclude these guys _ Rep. Bill Posey (R-FL), Rep. John Culberson (R-TX), Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-TX), Rep. Robert Goodlatte (R-VA), Rep. John Carter (R-TX), Rep. John Campbell (R-CA) and Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) _ are all racists. They must really hate black people and presumably anyone with dark skin. I guess the Klu Klux Klan has some new folks to recruit.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:35 pmPosey & Neugebauer have never produced documents to show they aren’t illegal immigrants– I heard they are, but “I don’t know” if it’s true.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:28 amfunny how joe farah seems to have conveniently forgotten that in august 2008 his little scandal sheet examined obama’s certificate and declared it the real mccoy:
just something to consider while joe farah and wnd continue to separate the birthers from their money …
suckers.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:53 amHere you go noogie.
You know noogieboner. You can simply apply for a copy of his birth certificate from the state of Hawaii since by law THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC you idiot.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/pdf/birth.pdf
June 24th, 2009 at 1:06 amAND FINALLY I AM OFFERING A $10,000 REWARD FOR ANYONE THAT CAN PROVE THAT THEY WERE AT OBAMAS BIRTH IN HAWAII.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:45 amTHIS CAN BE ANYONE. DOCTOR, NURSE,FRIEND, ANYONE.
REQUIREMENTS ARE:
YOU WILL HAVE PHOTOS OF YOU AT THE BIRTH WITH PROOF IT WAS IN HAWAII.
YOU WILL TAKE A POLYGRAPH.
YOU WILL SIGN AN AFFIDAVIT UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY.
AND IF YOU CAN DO THIS.
$10,000.00 IS YOURS.
HEY STOP TYPING IN ALL CAPS. THIS IS THE TRUTH ABOUT THE MESSIAH. I MEAN OBAMA. HE IS GOD. SO ALL YOU CRAZY GOP BIRTHERS BOW DOWN TO THE NEW MESSIAH TO YOUR NEW GOD AND READ THIS.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html
June 24th, 2009 at 2:04 amAnd how does anyone know that he isn’t an American citizen himself?
HMMMMM?
June 24th, 2009 at 4:09 amralph the wonder locust Says
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Fair enough, missmolly.
A few regulars have declined to sign, and that is fine.
Please be advised, however, that it is not strictly a STFU list. It’s just a list of those who have reached the point of suggesting Another Joe knock it off with his trolling.
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OK — in that case, I’m in.
1) dbadass
June 24th, 2009 at 7:32 am2) tony and lido
3) Reggie
4) ralph
5) angels81
6) joe cantwell
7) Shadowboxer
8) pastcaring
9) shayne
10) gummitch
11) StratRat
12)vinylspear
13) toasterhead
14) RUC
15) Game of Life
16) Gregor Samsa
17) Pachydiplax de St. Augustine
18) Buckie Boy
19) Zooey
20) wiley
21) hormiga brava chavez
22) Dr. Matt
23) Leftside Annie
24) missmolly
Robt Says
June 24th, 2009 at 4:09 am
And how does anyone know that he isn’t an American citizen himself?
HMMMMM?
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Exactly. We should demand Rep. Randy Neugebauer’s birth certificate — the original certificate — and then if he produces it, promptly declare it to be a forgery. Then start a blog whispering campaign that suggests Neugebauer is a member of a terrorist sleeper cell that will ultimately bring down our government.
Sound absurd? It is! Yet this is what the “birthers” apparently live for.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:38 amThese people are so far gone, I’m not sure that there is a solution other than civil commitment. That sounds harsh, I’m sure, but anyone that is either this crazy or this stupid is clearly a danger to themselves and/or others. What if they were to come across something pointy? They may hurt themselves.
I’m not sure if I qualify, but I’d like to add myself to the list. I’m not a fan of telling people to STFU, but I’m sure I’ve told it to simply “shut up” on at least one occassion….or maybe that was another troll. It’s so hard to keep them straight.
Anywho.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:13 am1) dbadass
2) tony and lido
3) Reggie
4) ralph
5) angels81
6) joe cantwell
7) Shadowboxer
8) pastcaring
9) shayne
10) gummitch
11) StratRat
12)vinylspear
13) toasterhead
14) RUC
15) Game of Life
16) Gregor Samsa
17) Pachydiplax de St. Augustine
18) Buckie Boy
19) Zooey
20) wiley
21) hormiga brava chavez
22) Dr. Matt
23) Leftside Annie
24) missmolly
25) smidget
Obaminator says:
AND FINALLY I AM OFFERING A $10,000 REWARD FOR ANYONE THAT CAN PROVE THAT THEY WERE AT OBAMAS BIRTH IN HAWAII.
THIS CAN BE ANYONE. DOCTOR, NURSE,FRIEND, ANYONE.
REQUIREMENTS ARE:
YOU WILL HAVE PHOTOS OF YOU AT THE BIRTH WITH PROOF IT WAS IN HAWAII.
Delusions of grandeur. You don’t have $10,000 and you know that no one is going to have photos of him or her at a birth 40 some odd years ago that can be verified.
So this is just more posturing by irrational racists who believe that Will overcomes Reason. If they Will something, by sheer force of effort, they will overcome Reason.
Pathetic. Get some help. Find out how to learn to deal with the fact that you’ve been lied to and manipulated your whole life. Do some constructive with the anger that comes from that realization.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:45 amSorry, should be “photos of him or her self”.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:46 amIn this age of “in God we trust, everyone else must provide data” I’m surprised that dropping your birth certificate off at the Fed Election Commission and anything else that confirms eligibility is not already a pre-requisite to run for office. It stops all this BS in its tracks
June 24th, 2009 at 10:44 amIt’s amazing how the trolls love to overlook the obvious. Let’s look at this nonsense about Obama not being an American citizen.
The United States spends about 100 billion annually on three major intelligence and law enforcement agencies, the CIA, FBI and NSA. One would think that if Obama’s birth certificate was phony and he was born in another country at least one of those agencies would have figured it out during the elections and released the information, especially in light of the fact that Republicans turned it into an issue. It didn’t happen because Obama’s birth certificate is legitimate (and don’t think for one second that these agencies didn’t check it out). To rational and sane people that should alleviate any concerns about Obama’s citizenship.
However, as we all know, many conservatives are not driven by rationality or common sense, rather by anger, fear, xenophobia, bigotry and hatred anyone or anything that refuses to accept their twisted view of reality. On their own these people would be of no concern. However, when their fear, ignorance and suspicion are amplified and legitimized by main stream media outlets like FOX “News” it becomes a problem.
Make no mistake, that the inability of progressives and conservative to speak to each other is largely the result of crazies like Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Savage and a host of other self serving entertainers who make hundreds of millions of dollars off their viewers fear and loathing. It is a crystal clear example of how corporate backed cronies destroy the discourse that is necessary for democracy to function, and these corporations could give a rats ass as long as they are pulling in the bucks. Welcome to America 2009.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:51 amThe GOP should just admit to the American people that they are very very upset about losing the election to a black man and get on with it.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:16 amThese kind of actions are so pathetic it is hard to believe that so called ‘intelligent’ people keep pushing this. It show disrespect for the American election process and the American people.
There is something interesting about all this. Within the homeland security laws there is something called a Transportation Workers Identity Card. If you are a natural born citizen then you can show the simplest forms of ID drivers license and social security card. Presumably Obama can do this. It is for certain McCain cannot because he is not a …….
June 24th, 2009 at 11:27 amI’m not sure this wingnut or others who claim the president is not a citizen are human. They may be aliens from outerspace for all I know. Now if they had to furnish credentials to run for office, they may be. I assume that President Obama has satified the requirements in the State of IL and with the FEC. Why are these bigots wasting valuable time on something that has been debunked several times.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:40 amIf only Mr Neugebauer had a competent staff that could find things out for him. You never know when an objective fact could come in handy.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:51 pmThe “Birther movement” is the Right’s political invention designed to propagandize the so-called “foreignness” of President Obama.
Republicans don’t really care about this bill – they know it will never become law. Its purpose is to bear fruit later – that is, to spin a tale that makes racism and xenophobia taste good without all those nasty calories. Racism Lite.
The Right wants to make race a campaign issue in the next Presidential election but they can not afford to be seen as overtly racist. So, they are trying to move the chess pieces now so that race by another name (”He’s foreign!”) can be an issue in the next Presidential election under the disguise of an innocent and wholesome pride in our uniquely American respect for law and order, i.e., our Constitution.
It will be racism disguised as law and order, disguised as nativism (which the Right I guess sees as palatable to its constituency and morally OK to them), disguised as the aw shucks innocence of a 5 year old child. Its message will be “we are innocent, pure, wholesome, law-abiding American godliness. They are foreign devils who lie.”
Sophisticated propaganda.
June 24th, 2009 at 2:32 pmI don’t know if Republicans are actually human beings.
June 24th, 2009 at 2:54 pmThe people who elected Neugebauer really need to question their own intelligence. Imagine what they are suggesting; a conspiracy to have a citizen of Kenya elected POTUS was devised in the early ’60’s whereby a fictitious birth announcement was placed in a Hawaiian newspaper and a corresponding birth certificate was created and certified by Hawaiian authorities. Then 47 years passed during which this future POTUS was groomed by his maternal grandparents to take over the office of the most powerful man in the world. Of course this happened. How else to explain the current situation.
June 24th, 2009 at 6:52 pmFOR THE DEMOCRACKADDICTS THAT DON’T THINK I HAVE $10,000.00. FOR SOMEONE WHO WAS AT OBAMAS BIRTH.
I WILL HAVE THE $10,000 PLACED IN ESCROW WITH THE LAW FIRM OF YOUR CHOOSING AND ORDER IT DISPERSED UPON PRESENTED PROOF.
I HAVE NO WORRIES. ONE ONLY HAS TO LOOK AT DIFFERENCES IN A REAL COLB AND A FAKE ONE.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=101483
ALSO FOR THOSE WHO SAY THIS IS A RACIST ISSUE. I WILL SAY AGAIN.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:44 pmOBAMA IS NOT BLACK. HIS MOTHER WAS WHITE SO HE CANNOT BE BLACK.
EVEN IF HE WERE BLACK HIS BIGGEST ADVERSARIES ARE REAL BLACK MEN.
HE IS A MIXED RACE OR MUTT.
LEARN IT, BELIEVE IT, LIVE IT.
When I lived in Hawaii I worked as a RN. I actually worked in Labor and Delivery and lately, I have found out that one of the nurses that I met while working there had personally been present when Obama was born in Hawaii. Nr. Obama’s birth certificate is readily available on the net and is easily accessed. It truly makes me giggle to hear all this stupidity about this issue but is just another reason why I have left the Republican Party. Obviously, Republicans could not beat Obama at the ballot box after raising this issues so they now resort to this stupidity. But alas. their stupidity or just pure racism is so obvious that it becomes so detrimental to Republicans. This would be laughable if it were not so stupidly serious.
June 26th, 2009 at 4:32 amONCE AGAIN THE ABOVE POST SHOW HOW STUPID DEMOCRATS ARE.
June 26th, 2009 at 6:03 pmDID YOU WORK IN THE HOSPITAL IN THE 1960′S?
IF YOU DID THE BELOW DOCUMENT WOULD BE WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN.
NOT A LASER PRINTED COLB.
I WAS BORN IN HAWAII IN 1960′S AND I AS WELL AS ALL OF MY CLASSMATES BORN IN THE 1960′S ALL HAVE COLB THAT WERE TYPED NOT LASER PRINTED.
MAAM I AM TRULY CONCERNED THAT YOU PRACTICE NURSING.
I’LL BET YOU BELIEVE THAT A PLACEBO IS AS GOOD AS THE REAL DRUG TOO!
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=101483
Obama’s Presidential Eligibility: What You Need to Know
Mostly facts and very little rhetoric, all cited. This is how research should be done.
Now what will the Obot PSYOPS agents do?
Let me Guess; ridicule, name calling, personal attacks and changing the subject.
http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=6216
Validated Facts on Obama Eligibility Story Updated and Expanded
If you read the articles at the link and review the citations at the embedded links, you will be “literate” about the facts of the “eligibility” story and will be able to inform the public objectively.
AKA Obama Fans: All together now – say OMG!!
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html
June 29th, 2009 at 10:28 pmYour money will never be dispersed because AKA Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii.
which is most likely;
June 29th, 2009 at 10:32 pm(a) AKA OBAMA is hiding documents that are innocuous?
(b) AKA OBAMA is hiding documents that are damaging?
Do some research. How it happened isn’t anything like what you guess.
Start here:Please get this straight: AKA Obama birth not vetted
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/05/please-get-this-straight-aka-obama.html
“Conservatives are enemies of the government. Liberals are enemies of the nation because they are not enemies of the government.”
June 29th, 2009 at 10:37 pmAristotle the Hun