BBC investigation of Bagram finds detainees were ‘beaten,’ ‘hung from the ceiling.’
BBC investigation of Bagram finds detainees were ‘beaten,’ ‘hung from the ceiling.’
The BBC recently interviewed 27 former detainees who were held at the Bagram Airbase detention facility between 2002 and 2008. All but two of the detainees said they had been ill-treated. According to the investigation, the detainees were “beaten, deprived of sleep, hung from the ceiling and threatened with dogs. Four claimed officials had put a gun to their head and threatened to kill them.” One inmate said:
‘They did things that you would not do against animals let alone to humans.
‘They poured cold water on you in winter and hot water in summer. They used dogs against us. They put a pistol or a gun to your head and threatened you with death.
‘They put some kind of medicine in the juice or water to make you sleepless and then they would interrogate you.’
All the detainees were ultimately released without charge.
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But no pictures! The U.S. can’t have torture museums opening around the world in its various torture sites.
And no investigations or charges! Everybody move on, nothing to see here…
June 24th, 2009 at 10:29 amSo, I hear obama’s bombing funerals, now. NK wants to blow America off the map. Nice going, obama!
June 24th, 2009 at 10:30 amwell, obama is doing all he can to protect the torturers here and prevent Americans from knowing what was done in their name.
Certainly not the “transparency” we were promised.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:30 amcentrist needs to get his hearing checked. perhaps a link to your claim would help
June 24th, 2009 at 10:31 amIt was obvious from the moment that Barack Obama appointed Leon Panetta to head the CIA that there was going to be no serious investigation — much less prosecution — of the high crimes of torture committed by the agency at the order of the Bush White House. Panetta, a Clinton retread (who actually began his career in the Nixon administration), has always been a bland, feckless, obedient servant of the Establishment; he has no outside power base, no pull, no heft, no popularity — nothing that would enable him to grab hold of the CIA with both hands and clean that fetid, blood-encrusted house. And of course, it was precisely this kind of powerless figure that Barack Obama wanted in the post.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:33 amno serious investigation — much less prosecution
What did obama know and when did he know it?
June 24th, 2009 at 10:34 amThe nation, and the world, deserves to have these crimes investigated and those who called the shots indicted.
Mr. President, this is not going away, no matter what you agenda priorities are right now.
How about we get the change we voted for and start holding criminals accountable?
PEACE
June 24th, 2009 at 10:34 amlet’s see…43 called north korea “the axis of evil” and cut off all ties for eight years. then, lil kim saw first hand how 43 dealt with members of “the axis of evil” (think iraq). eight years later 43’s nuthuggers like centrist sit there with their thumbs up their arses six months into the new administration and wonder how this has happened and blame obama. what a twit
June 24th, 2009 at 10:38 amI would say that anyone who wants to “blow America” or any body off the map is evil. That’s just me, though.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:39 amcentrist@9…cause and effect never was a strong point of yours was it?
June 24th, 2009 at 10:41 amcentrist Says:
“I would say that anyone who wants to “blow America” or any body off the map is evil. That’s just me, though.”
does that include grampy mclame and the rest of the neoclown sheeyatbags who wanted to “bomb,bomb,bomb iran” off the map?
June 24th, 2009 at 10:42 am“BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBut Bush!” by the clown
June 24th, 2009 at 10:43 amTake a hike, bozo. You’re out of your league. I hear keefy calling you at kos….
June 24th, 2009 at 10:44 amBozo The Neoclown Says:
Jeff Bovine Says:
Same loser. Flagged.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:44 am‘So, I hear obama’s bombing funerals, now. NK wants to blow America off the map. Nice going, obama!’
And I’m sure you had the same sentiments when Bush ordered those drones to carpet bomb the area and allow NK to ramp up it’s nuclear program?
June 24th, 2009 at 10:52 am(via Greenwald:)
Why aren’t we initiating a robust investigation?
The ugly truth is that Obama is blocking investigation and information into torture and abuses, by citing bush’s overreaching state secrets application…the very application that candidate Obama and the dems condemned and cited as abusive in order to get elected.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:54 amcentrist Says:
So, I hear obama’s bombing funerals, now. NK wants to blow America off the map. Nice going, obama!
Wrong thread. ThinkFast is 2 thread down. Have a nice trip, enjoy your Offtopic Flag, don’t forget to buy some souvenirs for your kids!
June 24th, 2009 at 10:55 amJeff Bovine Says:
Flagged, ip reported.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:55 amFor anyone who wants an American prospective on Bagram, watch Taxi to the Dark Side. Chilling proof that, like Abu Ghraib, Camp X-Ray, the Salt Pit, et.al., are NOT just isolated incidents or a “few bad apples.” I don’t think Bush (or Rumsfeld, for that matter) physically told soldiers to torture detainees, but they sure as knew about it. Their indifference makes them just as culpable.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:06 amThis makes Republic Fascist Party Members proud, pure christian values at work.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:06 amAnd these former 27 detainees are all credible, upright citizens I’m sure.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:07 amRemember the “OMG! Fraud in Iran” graph that circulated? Well it was propaganda, as the same trend can be found within real time US Election data.
http://voteforamerica.net/editorials/Comments.aspx?ArticleId=272&ArticleName=Realtime+Results+From+Iran+and+USA
June 24th, 2009 at 11:09 amTroll Central must have their regs on vacation. Now they are sending us Another Joe the Plumber and his sidekick/sockpuppet “centrist”.
Remember, don’t feed the trolls. Flag and ignore.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:13 amBozo The Neoclown Says:
centrist needs to get his hearing checked. perhaps a link to your claim would help
June 24th, 2009 at 10:31 am
He’s not making it up, unfortunately:
June 24th, 2009 at 11:15 amhttp://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/24/pakistani_opposition_politician_imran_khan_on
Undecided Says:
And these former 27 detainees are all credible, upright citizens I’m sure.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:07 am
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Well, they were credible enough and upright enough to be released without being charged with any crime. That means they’re innocent. Does it not bother you that innocent people were tortured?
June 24th, 2009 at 11:16 amWhy were they detained in the first place – of all the millions of people in Iraq, why them?
June 24th, 2009 at 11:36 amPoor me I was tortured – Would they say anything different to a western news organization who laps-up any excuse to bash America?
they were credible enough and upright enough to be released without being charged with any crime. That means they’re innocent
You mean like OJ?
June 24th, 2009 at 11:36 amNK wants to blow America off the map.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:37 am—
What?
Would they say anything different to a western news organization who laps-up any excuse to bash America
Tp and the 3 minions lap it right up. olbermann/msdnc will lap it up, next.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:38 amjust answer the question. Is it okay to torture innocents?
June 24th, 2009 at 11:38 amNorth Korea accuses the U.S. of provoking another war and warns it will wipe America off the map.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:39 amWhat does that have to do with Republican torture?
Pelosi, reid, etc. are “republicans?”
June 24th, 2009 at 11:44 amSure you establish innocence by offering tea, toast and a comfy bed – That will catch em off guard and spill the beans every time!
Because the BBC says so it must be true.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:51 amUndecided Says:
Sure you establish innocence…
You don’t have to “establish” innocence. You establish guilt. At least I do here in America. I don’t know what totalitarian regime you come from.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:52 ambbc=enemy/terrorist defenders
June 24th, 2009 at 11:52 amYou establish guilt.
They were picked up in the battlefield with guns and bombs. Guilty.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:53 amNorth Korea accuses the U.S. of provoking another war and warns it will wipe America off the map.
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June 24th, 2009 at 11:55 amAnd you believe that?
centrist Says:
They were picked up in the battlefield with guns and bombs.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Evidence?
No, I didn’t think so.
Stop pissing your pants.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:55 amcentrist Says:
bbc=enemy/terrorist defenders
centrist = mucking foron
June 24th, 2009 at 12:03 pmLieutenant Colonel Mark Wright, a Defense Department spokesman, needs to be investigated for violations of the Geneva Accord when claiming that conditions at Bagram meet “International standards for care and custody” ?? Don’t make me laugh. Enablers don’t get a free pass.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:08 pmWhy such low rent trolls all of the sudden?
June 24th, 2009 at 12:11 pmcentrist Says:
They were picked up in the battlefield with guns and bombs. Guilty.
Where was any evidence of your claim presented and verified? Innocent.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:15 pmOK – let’s go with the argument that they were picked off the battlefield with guns and are therefore guilty and the treatment they received is justified.
So if I find a US Serviceman, I can torture them ?
After all, there are plenty of US Servicemen in Afghanistan, Iraq, and environs. They carry guns and other weapons – some of which qualify as WMDs and almost all of which are more elaborate than IEDs. They have killed non-combatants and called it collateral damage.
And I haven’t even gotten to the problem of whether Bush’s imagined war actually made this a battlefield or not.
For that matter, the entire USA has been declared a battlefield for the war on drugs. Bonnie and Clyde, eat your heart out !
June 24th, 2009 at 12:25 pmMapleStreet Says:
OK – let’s go with the argument that they were picked off the battlefield with guns…
Yes, let’s. I’m sure if another country invaded the U.S. right wingers would be among the first to arm themselves and defend their country from attack. Right? Should they be accused of terrorism then?
June 24th, 2009 at 12:42 pmElBruce Says:
Yes, let’s. I’m sure if another country invaded the U.S. right wingers would be among the first to arm themselves and defend their country from attack. Right? Should they be accused of terrorism then?
I’d vote for accusing them of terrorism NOW.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:44 pm.
This story is just another fat assed elephant in America’s living room.
Why is the Obama Administration CHOOSING to be blinded by that ass?
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June 24th, 2009 at 12:47 pmAmericans captured in Iraq and Afganistan are Tortured and murdered. Haven’t any of you read what happened to Americans captured in Iraq? And the detainees? Just like U.S. criminals in prison they are all innocent of course. But as a conservative, let’s put them on trial in the U.S., convict them, and put them in an 8’ x 8’ x 8’ cell for 23 hours a day with three other prisoners like we do for American convicts.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:48 pmCourt martial the SOB and send him to Leavenworth.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:02 pmtim.ned Says:
Americans captured in Iraq and Afganistan are Tortured and murdered. Haven’t any of you read what happened to Americans captured in Iraq? And the detainees?
Congratulations! You are now just as civilized as Al Qaeda. Here, have a cigar so you can put it out in some random afghani farmer’s eye (after he was sold to the coalition for $5000 by a friendly Afghani Warlord).
June 24th, 2009 at 1:07 pmtim.ned Says:
Americans captured in Iraq and Afganistan are Tortured and murdered. Haven’t any of you read what happened to Americans captured in Iraq? And the detainees?
So we should be as bad as the bad guys? The only difference between us and them is which side of the Atlantic we’re on? Or does the U.S.A. actually stand for something? It does to me.
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tim.ned Says:
Just like U.S. criminals in prison they are all innocent of course. But as a conservative, let’s put them on trial in the U.S., convict them, and put them in an 8’ x 8’ x 8’ cell for 23 hours a day with three other prisoners like we do for American convicts.
As a liberal, I agree – provided that they’re found guilty in a fair trial, natch.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:17 pmUndecided Says:
Why were they detained in the first place – of all the millions of people in Iraq, why them?
June 24th, 2009 at 11:36 am
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Because we were offering $5,000 to any Afghans who would provide information on suspected Taliban and al-Qa’ida members. In a country with an annual per capita income of $800, that’s quite a lot of money. Add to this the fact that Afghanistan is a very tribal society with a history of conflict where grudges can go back decades or longer.
Given all that, it’s pretty easy to see how a lot of innocent people would have been turned in to U.S. and Afghan authorities as suspects by individuals who wanted to make a quick 5 grand while getting rid of a rival.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:24 pmIn war we are terrible as war is terrible! Perhaps you need to get involved in one to see the reality. I’ve had ak47’s put to my head twice by children in Africa wondering each time if this was the one to pull the trigger. I have seen what our troops do in Bosnia from my charity work. I have not been in Iraq or Afganistan but know many serving there. American troops are on the ground worldwide standing between the inocent and those that would murder them. And every time an innocent is killed, it is blamed on the U.S. Bush was too secretive. I think Obama can change the propaganda war as I believe they will listen to him. And put these detainees on trial and give them a public defender! But for those released telling the world their lies? I don’t buy it. Remember one said the tortue was worse under Obama.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:42 pm.
It’s called a bounty when you place a dollar amount on the head of a KNOWN criminal…
It’s called human trafficking when dollars are traded in exchange for people delivered as cargo.
Oh, btw, if it was for sex slaves, it would be an outrage…
… But because it was to TORTURE information out of innocent people, we look the other way. How GAUCHE!
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June 24th, 2009 at 1:46 pmtim.ned Says:
Americans captured in Iraq and Afganistan are Tortured and murdered. Haven’t any of you read what happened to Americans captured in Iraq? And the detainees?
Dear tim.ned,
No one is arguing that Americans haven’t been killed or tortured. People are arguing that these murders, in no way, justify our ability to exact the same. For when we do, we legitimise what was done to our men/women.
That’s like justifying that robing the thief’s house is a good ans necessary thing because he’s a thief. Well, dude, that robbery of yours, is better known as thievery.
.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:51 pm.
U.N. Human Rights Chief Criticizes Handling of Detainees
By Colum Lynch
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:15 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/24/AR2009062401172_pf.html
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June 24th, 2009 at 2:15 pm59. Tim.ned,
You’re making my point for me – simultaneously and in 2 different ways.
1) By your post, they are torturing us – which is quite predictable as we have tortured them.
2) You’re condoning our torture under the guise that they torture us. So why do you think we can deny them from excusing their torture under the grounds that we torture them ?
June 24th, 2009 at 2:16 pmMax: We don’t do the same! But my point is why this website would accept the statements by these detainees without question from the interviews with the BBC. Where is the balance? And how can anyone state like MapleStreet where in point 1 states “quite predictable as we have tortured them”. I have never and would never support torture. I do not accept that the actions we have taken legitimize the actions of our enemies to be-head and murder Americans. And this is where you and I differ. You see our enemies as a simple people justifying their actions because of gitmo. I see our enemy as an educated force using the BBC and others to propagandize their cause. And their cause is murder.
June 24th, 2009 at 2:48 pmAmericans captured in Iraq and Afganistan are Tortured and murdered. Haven’t any of you read what happened to Americans captured in Iraq?
Progressives don’t give a rats ass about our brave soldiers. Just check “the zoo.” All the proof is right there. Watch ‘countdown,’ more proof there, too.
June 24th, 2009 at 3:27 pmrandom afghani farmer’s eye
See what happens when you get your news krazy keith?
June 24th, 2009 at 3:28 pmI hate to admit it but I think you may be right. Can’t watch countdown as I just can’t listen to guys that lie. The reality is our troops are building schools, hospitals, and community centers and standing the post. To make claim that terrorist are justified in their actions because we don’t set some moral standard at a time of war is lunacy. And only fools buy the BBC interviews.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:26 pm.
Dear tim.ned,
To date, almost 100 detainees have died in our custody.
Dead is dead…
… With or without the attached head.
Now, care to riddle me this…
… How many of the detainees that have died in our custody, did so as a result of their TORTURE?
And you claim that we’re different?
You suffer from an extreme case of EXCEPTIONALISM.
I guess that’s what makes you “special”.
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June 25th, 2009 at 1:50 amWow Max you are incredible. You obviously have proof that the U.S. purposely as policy killed detainees! You wouldn’t say this if it wasn’t true would you? And I trust you didn’t get your information from a website. I bet you read a lot but probably have never seen war. You probably have never seen human rights groups look the other way when the monstrous acts are ethnic against ethnic. You probably have never seen a U.N peace force desert a town or village because there might be shooting leaving the residents to be murdered like they did in the Balkans. And you have never seen a U.S. Marine stand a bridge protecting innocent people from those that are out to murder them. No where do I claim we are virtuous. But to buy into ever BBC interview and left wing web posting is unbelievable when there are thousands of U.S. troops worldwide doing their duty every day.
June 25th, 2009 at 3:51 pmThank you..
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