FBI Arrests White Supremacist Blogger Hal Turner For Threatening To Kill Federal Judges
FBI Arrests White Supremacist Blogger Hal Turner For Threatening To Kill Federal Judges
Today, FBI agents went to the New Jersey home of white supremacist blogger/radio host Hal Turner and arrested him “on a federal complaint filed in Chicago alleging that he made internet postings threatening to assault and murder three federal appeals court judges in Chicago in retaliation for their recent ruling upholding handgun bans in Chicago and a suburb,” according to a statement released by the Justice Department. A summary of Turner’s dangerous tirade against the judges:
Internet postings on June 2 and 3 proclaimed “outrage” over the June 2, 2009, handgun decision by Chief Judge Frank Easterbrook and Judges Richard Posner and William Bauer, of the Chicago-based 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, further stating, among other things: “Let me be the first to say this plainly: These Judges deserve to be killed.” The postings included photographs, phone numbers, work address and room numbers of these judges, along with a photo of the building in which they work and a map of its location.
Turner’s posts also “referred to the murder of the mother and husband of Chicago-based federal Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow in February 2005,” saying, “Apparently, the 7th U.S. Circuit Court didn’t get the hint after those killings. It appears another lesson is needed.” In the Justice Department statement, U.S. attorney Patrick Fitzgerald — who announced the charges — said, “We take threats to federal judges very seriously. Period.”
Turner is already in trouble with the law. Earlier this month, he turned himself in to the Connecticut State Police on charges of “inciting violence” against three state officials. He urged his audience to “take up arms” because he was reportedly “angry over legislation that would have given lay members of Roman Catholic churches in Connecticut more control over their parish’s finances.” Turner’s next court appearance in this case is on July 14.
As the Nation has pointed out, Turner has ties to Fox News’ Sean Hannity. In fact, Hannity has “offered his top-rated radio show as a regular forum for Turner’s occasionally racist, always over-the-top rants.” Hannity would also reportedly offer Turner “encouragement” to overcome his cocaine habit and “homosexual leanings.”
Turner’s arrest comes after two major tragedies put the spotlight on the dangers of right-wing extremism: the Holocaust Museum shooting by white supremacist James von Brunn and the assassination of Dr. George Tiller.
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I wonder if this guy has diaries?
June 24th, 2009 at 8:25 pmwell this yutz is going to jail for awhile.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:27 pmLet me be the first to say this plainly: Hal Turner deserves to be jailed.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:28 pmAnother closet homosexual promoting violence. Anyone see a pattern here?
Just come out. The sane people of the world will accept you (and we are plentiful), and you don’t have to hate yourself, which just makes you hate others randomly (or because of what you’ve been taught).
So sad and uneccesary.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:30 pmI read somewhere *wink wink* (on TP of course) that Sean Hannity tried to help ole Hal with his homosexuality. Instead, Hal decided to take his “therapy” into his own hands by threatening to kill everyone in sight and being a racist!
June 24th, 2009 at 8:30 pmI totally agree, ShadowBoxer! Less people would get hurt if guys like Hal were just honest with themselves.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:30 pmwe see proof of it every day. see one of the next couple of posts? one of them will be something hateful aimed at the community here. You will chip away their tired bigotry right leaning arguments in return. They will lose it and go blow someone’s head off.
is it a lack of outlet for hateful energy? Try getting off the computer and going to the gym once in awhile trolls.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:31 pmShadowBoxer Says:
Another closet homosexual promoting violence. Anyone see a pattern here?
I do hope you aren’t making an association between homosexual people and violent tendencies. Just looking to check on that.
Place your bets. No one ever speaks of Turner’s name on the Hannity set–yes or no?
June 24th, 2009 at 8:33 pmBut, but, but, he CAN’T be gay – check out the wedding band in the mug shot.
Or is Connecticut one of THOSE states?
And niiiiiice grip on the booking thingie.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:36 pmFor this he makes a call to arms? What a nut.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:37 pmKayinMaine,
That’s the problem. Honesty has been sucked dry from the NeoCon base, and they don’t know how to cope with their own lies.
Wanting to be honest is a human instinct, I think, and the guilt that comes with constant dishonesty is crippling, and the only thing left for them in their minds is to kill or harm anyone who doesn’t fit their fragile paradigm.
It’s quite unnerving, to say the very least.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:37 pmHal must be a LEFTIST!
Look at the facts:
1) he’s gay
and
2) Republicans were anti-slavery during the Civil War, therefore, Democrats are racists.
–
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Just beating our trolls — er… gnats — to the punch.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:38 pmFBI Arrests White Supremacist Blogger Hal Turner For Threatening To Kill Federal Judges
– - I wonder how many troll names he’s posted under here.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:38 pmPurple State,
I would agree with Shadowboxer, Hal would remind me of another Jeffrey Dahmer type. Totally not accepting his sexuality while at the same time condemning those who are gay because deep down inside he’s one of them. I forgot the term for people like Hal?
June 24th, 2009 at 8:40 pm…
by process of elimination
the tp troll who doesn’t
show up is probably hal.
:|
..
June 24th, 2009 at 8:41 pmShadowBoxer Says:
Another closet homosexual promoting violence. Anyone see a pattern here?
I do hope you aren’t making an association between homosexual people and violent tendencies. Just looking to check on that.
Place your bets. No one ever speaks of Turner’s name on the Hannity set–yes or no?
I am absolutely not making that association, and thank you for asking me to make that clear.
I just think that the “values” of neocons (and I use that term because I don’t belive all conservatives are followers of the neocon program) make them unable to realize that they are allowed to feel and act freely on their human tendencies for one gender or the other. And thus, they go ape-shit and do things they think will reconcile their “evil” urges.
Hope I cleared that up somewhat.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:43 pmAt least now he will be in a good place for homosexual leanings. The cocaine may be a bit hard to come by though.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:45 pmAs a New Jersey resident, let me just say…
it’s about fking time.
Why Murray Sabrin was associated with this psychopath remains a mystery.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:45 pmExactly Ralph! Good gawd, you are good. LOL
June 24th, 2009 at 8:47 pmOnly right wing closeted gays are the violent ones. No way would we ever put that kind of blanket statement on the open gays of our country! Hell, even the lefty gays who are closeted don’t feel the need to start threatening everyone who walks by them or become violent while they’re concealing their sexuality. They’re much more gentle and grounded. Of course, then there’s the outed right wingers who end spending their days rallying against gays, the right to marry, and hating themselves completely! Insane.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:49 pmDoes that mean Hannity had also possessed “homosexual leanings?”
June 24th, 2009 at 8:50 pmRalph does do a good parody. But, is it really that hard to be good at it?-)
June 24th, 2009 at 8:52 pmPurple State Says:
ShadowBoxer Says:
Another closet homosexual promoting violence. Anyone see a pattern here?
I do hope you aren’t making an association between homosexual people and violent tendencies. Just looking to check on that.
Place your bets. No one ever speaks of Turner’s name on the Hannity set–yes or no?
June 24th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Only right wing closeted gays are the violent ones. No way would we ever put that kind of blanket statement on the open gays of our country! Hell, even the lefty gays who are closeted don’t feel the need to start threatening everyone who walks by them or become violent while they’re concealing their sexuality. They’re much more gentle and grounded. Of course, then there’s the outed right wingers who end spending their days rallying against gays, the right to marry, and hating themselves completely! Insane.
Makes me wonder about the log cabin republicans. Can’t quite get the brain around it.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:52 pmGood – I hope they keep Turner locked away for a long, long, time. Hannity is no better allowing this nutjob on his show but birds of a feather flock together – as the saying goes…
June 24th, 2009 at 8:52 pmtub-o-lard rush must be a quivering mass of jello at this news. his fat arse is next
June 24th, 2009 at 8:53 pmSo, Allowed?
Threats against Federal Judges = No
Threats against Abortion providers = Yes
Is it just me? I fail to see the difference.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:55 pmI think if Turner came out of the closet and embraced “the gay” within himself he’d be less angry. Maybe he’d feel more comfortable coming out in prison.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:57 pmIt’s about effing time. I’ve lost all patience with hearing about horrible crimes perpetrated by those who have clearly announced their intentions only to be passed off as a “lone wolf”.
I sincerely hope this is just the first step in a crackdown on those who preach hate, violence, and treason. It’s time to treat them as the terrorists they are.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:58 pmIf only he’d been caught with a joint, then they could throw away the key…but threats? Even publicly assaulting a famous female singer only nets community service with no jail time.
What’s wrong with this picture?
June 24th, 2009 at 8:58 pmFBI Arrests White Supremacist Blogger Hal Turner For Threatening To Kill Federal Judges
– - Looks like Mr. Turner is about 5′ 7.” Yeah, that figures too.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:00 pmBadmoodman says
- – Looks like Mr. Turner is about 5′ 7.” Yeah, that figures too.
Ok, I’ll bite. Napolean Complex?
June 24th, 2009 at 9:03 pmSean Hannity seems intimate with Turner’s party habits. Sean, you rascal! It is ominous how the right wing is calling for violence now that their incompetence and corruption is common knowledge.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:04 pmwow the trolls proved me wrong. they must be busy in the other posts.
oh and joe @15
nearly fell out of my chair
good stuff
June 24th, 2009 at 9:04 pmYES,
June 24th, 2009 at 9:08 pmIt may be my imagination but it appears the neanderthal’s left eye is not looking in the same direction as the right one.
Does anyone else notice it?
June 24th, 2009 at 9:08 pmThat’s what I was thinking too RandomChaos – napoleonic complex?!
And yes Artic Ghetto, it’s odd that Hannity would know about Turner’s party habits and sexual leanings? Makes me wonder?
Will the nature of Hannity and Turner’s relationship be next week’s GOPer scandal??
June 24th, 2009 at 9:08 pmFree Speech Free Speech Free Speech!
/just thought I would throw my 2 troll sense in.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:12 pmGood. This is a step in the right direction. I support the first amendment as much as anyone, but putting out what is essentially a “hit” on somebody (complete with information as to how one could reach the victims) crosses the line no matter where a reasonable person would draw it.
Pundits, talk show hosts, and bloggers have been increasing their “shock” talk incrementally for some time now, in an effort to keep their ever-desensitized audiences. And it’s got to stop.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:13 pmMissMolly,
June 24th, 2009 at 9:16 pmHere here. I agree.
This is exactly what Shepard Smith was trying to tell his viewers about. Rightwing extremists. Its pathetic that foxnoise followers dont give a shit about the truth.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:18 pmHannity,Orielly,Limpdick,and the likes are going to keep fanning the flames of rightwing extremism. They promote hatred and violence.
I think it’s urgent that Congress passes laws against people who use freedom of speech to incite violence or cause someone to get assaulted or even killed. These crazies – O’Reilly, Hannity, Beck or Turner should be prevented from using freedom of speech as a blanket of protection.
It doesn’t matter who the intended victim(s) is – a judge or a doctor – these acts or verbal hate speeches should be called terrorrism and prosecuted as felonies.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:19 pmWho wants to bet Hal in high school drove around in a souped up Nova with mag wheels to make up for what he’s lacking between his….well you know….*pointing to his nether region*?
June 24th, 2009 at 9:22 pmGood. It’s about damned time one of these terrorists gets arrested.
I only hope that he’s the first of MANY, and that the second one arrested is Bill O’Reilly.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:23 pm…
reg,
could be lazy eye…
is that a wedding ring
he’s wearing?
wife’s gonna be angry with him!
:|
June 24th, 2009 at 9:23 pmmisscoleopteramolly @ 38.
Quite so. Vitriol is one thing, but Taylor’s actions present explicit intent and purpose.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:24 pmI expect Hannity will have something to say about this–when the sun explodes.
On the related topic of Bill0:
Roger Ebert does an awesome job of deconstructing Bill0 and Reichwhiners in general. As Jon at C&L said, “It’s a long read and worth it”.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009/06/the_oreilly_procedure.html
June 24th, 2009 at 9:29 pmHe seems to be clenching that board a little too tightly. I’ll bet he is doing the same with his anus. “You better get bad or you gonna get fu cked”. “That’s right. We bad”…
June 24th, 2009 at 9:31 pmWhy hasn’t Ann-thrax Coulter at least been under investigation for suggesting that rat poison ought to be put into Justice Stevens’ creme brulee?
June 24th, 2009 at 9:34 pmInternet postings on June 2 and 3 proclaimed “outrage” over the June 2, 2009, handgun decision by Chief Judge Frank Easterbrook and Judges Richard Posner and William Bauer, of the Chicago-based 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, further stating, among other things: “Let me be the first to say this plainly: These Judges deserve to be killed.“…Turner’s posts also “referred to the murder of the mother and husband of Chicago-based federal Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow in February 2005,” saying, “Apparently, the 7th U.S. Circuit Court didn’t get the hint after those killings. It appears another lesson is needed.” In the Justice Department statement, U.S. attorney Patrick Fitzgerald — who announced the charges — said, “We take threats to federal judges very seriously. Period.”
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Someone explain this to me…if Turner has been arrested for making comments on the record suggesting that certain federal judges should be assassinated, regardless of any intention on his part to carry out the murders himself, how is it that Ann Coulter managed to escape arrest after “joking” that Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens should be poisoned? In what way did that comment not represent a recommendation that a federal judge be assassinated? The fact that she tried to excuse and dismiss it as a “joke” means little or nothing — rationalizing is exactly what most people do when they’re trying to avoid facing the consequences of their behavior. Why is it that nobody ever so much as questioned her over this — especially in light of the fact that for a couple of years after September 11, there were reports of American citizens being paid visits by FBI agents for such extremist activities as putting up a poster which criticized President Bush?
June 24th, 2009 at 9:36 pmjoe cantwell Says:
wife’s gonna be angry with him!
Or the wife is ecstatic that she is rid of him. He fits the stalker profile to a tee and probably would not handle rejection well.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:38 pmStay classy teabaggers. Sanctimonious adulterers, murderers, KKK, and hypocrites. Really morally classy bunch.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:39 pmHandguns are made for one reason and that is to kill human beings. Why are cons so afraid of loosing handguns? I think its an extention of their dicks because of their insecurities.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:39 pmIts amazing how rightwingnuts and cons keep destroying their party. Why dont they just forfiet the elections in 2010,and 2012,. They are just giving the democrats a definite win with all the fckups repugs keep making. Thankyou repugs, we libs get to keep watching our country move in the right direction for years to come.
Pete,
June 24th, 2009 at 9:39 pmRogerE knows from whence he speaks.
The Truth.
YES, Crackin on these right wing idiots, wow even looks like the gov did the right thing, I don’t know what to say. May a impenetrable hedge of protection be yours, Amanda T. Your so good, and all I know is that hedge I would like to be.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:40 pmRabbitcore,
June 24th, 2009 at 9:42 pmIs that some sort of blogger come-on/pick-up at 56?
Mr. Ebert has always been much more than a critic, RandomChaos. In a previous age he would be called a philosopher.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:47 pmBluestocking,
The difference appears to be that Coulter expressed a general opinion, whereas Taylor was demonstrably explicit in naming names, providing addresses, providing in fact material support for a specific act of violence.
But the fact is that the likes of Ann Coulter should be excoriated and denied large public forums from which to present her “joked” which reflect a violent world-view, and by reason of not just her media access but her frequent promotion by media ‘authorities’ ranging from FOX to TIME magazine who legitimize her as a valid voice of social and political commentary.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:48 pmranus69 Says:
Purple State,
I would agree with Shadowboxer, Hal would remind me of another Jeffrey Dahmer type. Totally not accepting his sexuality while at the same time condemning those who are gay because deep down inside he’s one of them. I forgot the term for people like Hal?
Republicans?
June 24th, 2009 at 9:53 pmI don’t think I’ve ever seen someone with two lazy eyes…
June 24th, 2009 at 9:54 pmAnd JohnM, Yes, it’s all Clinton’s fault because he committed “perjury”…
June 24th, 2009 at 9:55 pmJustice at last! How long have we heard these maniacs broadcasting their ILLEGAL venom?
And they can blame it all on the Islamofascist Obama.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:58 pmIsn’t that exactly what O’Reilly’s been doing?
June 24th, 2009 at 9:59 pmA white supremacist in jail. Oh, he ought to be popular!
Let’s not waste hard-earned tax dollars keeping him seperate from the general prison population. If he’s really supreme, he should be safe enough.
Soap on a rope, Hal, soap on a rope.
PEACE
June 24th, 2009 at 9:59 pmpete, thanks for the link. Roger Ebert is one of the best.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:59 pmsscncturn64 Says: Handguns are made for one reason and that is to kill human beings.
I think handguns are made to protect 2nd Amendment rights to protect 1st Amendment rights and to prevent the garrisoning of British troops in one’s den/media room. I think the killing stuff is just a byprrduct of the device, like C02 is a byproduct of fossil-fuel internal combustion engines and breathing, which we with huge advertising budgets like to call ‘LIFE’.
Sorry , I really shouldn’t joke.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:02 pmHi FreeMarketLiberal
June 24th, 2009 at 10:04 pmWanna Chat?
So do ya wanna?
June 24th, 2009 at 10:07 pmFreeMarketLiberal Says:
sock alert!
June 24th, 2009 at 10:08 pmoops. left out
SHOCKER!
June 24th, 2009 at 10:09 pmWhat is it about the repiggies that attracts so many sleazebags, adulterers and closet cases?
June 24th, 2009 at 10:09 pmFreeMarketLiberal Says:
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Oooohh…this is bad..very bad…right up there with that Muslim extremist that shot and killed that young Army recruit
Same rules apply to muslim extremists (also in the same category as rightwingnuts) – they should be locked up too if they do anything like what Turner did.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:11 pmLook at his mug shot. He looks proud. His smirk reminds me of hannity`s smirk. Hannity loves when these wingnuts like this react.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:12 pm74
June 24th, 2009 at 10:12 pmMoral relativism?
OT
Ron Reagan, in so many words, announced when Fox news was showing a clip on Sanford today, they put a D behind his name instead of a R.
This is not the first time Fox has purposely misrepresented a person for the republicans benefit.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:14 pmC&L has a story up on it, had enough, Complete with screenshots. You can’t make this stuff up.
http://crooksandliars.com/logan-murphy/shocking-fox-news-labels-disgraced-re
June 24th, 2009 at 10:16 pmFreeMarketLiberal Says: Oooohh…this is bad..very bad…right up there with that Muslim extremist that shot and killed that young Army recruit.
You mean the Muslim extremist who was so obviously given the exact name and address of the recruit by a third party?
Nope, that didn’t happen. The recruit was a random victim.
But glad to see that by drawing an equivalency between the two that violent “messaging’ can be taken to heart and acted upon by and individual, and thus you agree that Taylor is the direct equivalent of the Yemeni extremists that encouraged Mahammed/Bledsoe to murder.
I know that’s not what you intended, but that’s your argument.
I hope you aren’t planning on becoming a lumberjack because you obviously don’t know which part of the branch to sit on when you start sawing it off.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:17 pmIt’s about time the country puts it foot down and expresses what is acceptable and what’s not. Let this play out in a court of law.
How can we stay as a country if openly violent threats are tolerated against public officials? This may be the first of many Hal Turner’s that will have to account for their actions. One can only hope!
June 24th, 2009 at 10:17 pmName One avowed White Supremicist that is a member of the Democratic Party.
FML = pathetic
June 24th, 2009 at 10:20 pmDon’t mess with the trolls on this one. If they actually manage to scrape up a brain cell between them? They are going to need their energy to try to erase their web presence.
Here’s a newsflash for the stupid trolls:
They are coming for you!
O’K. I’m back to flag and ignore. However, I just had to plant that thought in the stupid trolls’ pointy, little, heads.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:22 pmSissy…
June 24th, 2009 at 10:22 pmAnother Hannity “source” bites the dust – will he:
A. Portray this as a case of the neoCons being victimized by the Obama administration, or
B. frantically call his lawyer to find out if he’s also in trouble for inciting his sheep to violence.
I’m guessing both…
June 24th, 2009 at 10:27 pmThanks for the link pete. You have to remember its foxnoise,that D is for their viewers. DUMBASSES.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:28 pmThis is just the first arrest. There are thousands of wingnuts out there that pose a clear and present danger to the security of the United States of America.
I have seen these wingnuts post their threats and hatred across the internet, and it’s about bloody well time the FBI started arresting them.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:32 pmdbadass Says:
Did you check out the link?
June 24th, 2009 at 10:33 pmThe poor little bugger doesn’t realize that he is between a rock and a hard place.
This is only the tip of the iceberg.
…
hal
and
fml.
:::
June 24th, 2009 at 10:35 pmI wonder if the FBI has made any effort to track these wingnut trolls. I know if I were given the responsibility of the FBI, I would be rounding up wingnut bloggers left and right.
Even if you can’t convict them, they should be imprisoned and tried, just to scare the hell out of them.
You listening trolls? The FBI is probably monitoring everything you do online, so you best format your hard drive and pray they don’t come for you.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:36 pmWhy are you so scared on me pretender?
June 24th, 2009 at 10:37 pmwOULD THAT BE TAX WHINING LIBERTARIAN OR POT SMOKING LIBERTARIAN?
June 24th, 2009 at 10:38 pmDon’t feed the freemarketwingnut troll. He is a fascist propagandist and he belongs in prison for spreading his hate and fear talking points.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:39 pmFreeMarketLiberal Says:
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You’re right Hussein…our founding fathers terrorized us with Free market Capitalism instead of communism, totalitarian, progressivism. Social Utopia is the way to go
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
FreeMarketLiberal,
June 24th, 2009 at 10:39 pmI believe you have it wrong. Cheney/Bush terrorized us with free market capitalism. And the terrorizing continues. Get the facts correct!
The FBI should review all FOX on air footage and arrest every personality that has advocated violence. The Fox performers deserve the maximum penalty allowed under law.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:42 pm…
“linear thinker”
have a drink.
8<)
:0
:)
June 24th, 2009 at 10:42 pmNo, dbadass. That would be the post-apocalyptic, Red Dawn, free-range automatic weapon loving, antisocial, anti science, anti reason, pissing their pants on a pile of ammo in the basement, kind of “libertarian”.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:42 pmUSPS
June 24th, 2009 at 10:43 pmStopped at 88 and will return to read the rest of the comments on this. But where is Jurassicpork? This is the guy who harassed and threatened him!
June 24th, 2009 at 10:45 pm…
when the democrats run them
they work. when the republicans
run them they fail.
…
think fema.
…
“heckuva job, brownie!”
:)
June 24th, 2009 at 10:46 pmBush/Cheney terrorized the whole world for eight years.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:46 pmWhy the fck arent these two murderers in prison yet?
It’s about time that the criminality of the fascist Republican Party is being exposed.
With any luck, the Obama justice department will support this move by the FBI by prosecuting Bush and Cheney for their war crimes.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:46 pm:) :) :)
FreeMarketLiberal
:) :) :)
June 24th, 2009 at 10:50 pmI gotta say I appreciate the effort our little sockpuppet gnat puts into his fear-and-smear smoothies.
I mean, c’mon… “Unioncrat party”? Seriously… “Jim Jones Soros”? That takes some wild imagination, you gotta admit. And then to think that it’s effective enough to make it a personal trademark? That’s commitment, folks.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:50 pmHandguns are made for one reason and that is to kill human beings. — Sscncturn64
I think handguns are made to protect 2nd Amendment rights to protect 1st Amendment rights and to prevent the garrisoning of British troops in one’s den/media room. I think the killing stuff is just a byprrduct of the device, like C02 is a byproduct of fossil-fuel internal combustion engines and breathing, which we with huge advertising budgets like to call ‘LIFE’.
Sorry , I really shouldn’t joke. — 5th Estate
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Have to say, 5th…I’m with Sscncturn64 on this one. It’s true that the Second Amendment — or rather, interpretations thereof! — grant US citizens the right to possess firearms. However, while any gun has the potential to be used against human beings as a lethal weapon, I think you have to admit that there is at least a marginal distinction between the kind of gun designed for hunting and a handgun. I’m not a hunter myself and don’t know many hunters personally. At least as far as I know, however, hunters don’t generally use handguns to kill deer or ducks or rabbits or whatever — nor do they use them to shoot skeet. To the best of my knowledge, handguns are designed with one purpose in mind — protecting yourself and your loved ones from any fellow human being who may pose a threat to your life. However, like most other objects created by human beings, handguns have no inherent morality and can therefore be put to malevolent use just as easily as they can benevolent ones — or perhaps even more easily, considering that human nature as reflected in the behavior of most human beings is largely amoral and self-serving. I’m inclined to agree with Sscncturn64’s opinion on this one, that the Republican’s stereotypical love for the handgun is a reflection of subconscious insecurity and self-absorption — in much the same way that someone with a flashy car, especially the kind of person who revs the engine while stopped at a red light, is sometimes thought to be overcompensating for certain (*ahem*) shortcomings.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:50 pmFreeMarketLiberal
June 24th, 2009 at 10:51 pmLook I realize as you do that I have played you so many times with you oh so many names but still why not one more time. I promise I will go easy on you. Pretending you aren’t reading these just makes you look all the lamer. Are you really that lame…
So which prez came up with the first tsar?
June 24th, 2009 at 10:52 pmAt least anarchists are willing to admit they are taking their chances with no authority. But these bed-wetting “libertarians” think they can promote a world with no rules while failing, utterly, to live by the rules?
The poor little trolls don’t even know what “libertarian” means any more than they can comprehend science. They have no conception of: socialism, atheism, communism, or any ism, including their own. Rabid nationalism. They are certainly no more “libertarian” than Mao or Stalin.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:52 pmNailed it.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:52 pmLevi #110, I agree with you.It would take a judge a long time to fill out all the arrest warrants though. Foxnoise is so pathetic,it used to be funny when they flat out lied. I think now that what they are doing is criminal.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:54 pmThere are so many people like this in our country and they are terrorists. And this guy is much like some of the attention seeking trolls who frequent TP spouting hatred and violence. That is why we as progressives and patriots need to remain vigilant. These freaks – and I mean all of them – were left alone during the last fascist regime and they are now more emboldened.
With the trolls here – ignoring works best.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:56 pmHow about the Army, FML? Or the Marines? Or the Navy? How about Medicare and Social Security? Hmmm. Perhaps the WPA. The CCC. And as Ralph says, the USPS.
I’m sure there are MANY others, but you’re not honest enough to admit it, are you?
And I’m calling you out on this “I’m a libertarian” bullshit. You’re just ASHAMED to be a REPUKE, dude. You’re a Republic, moron – BE A MAN AND OWN IT.
And yeah, unions are the Devil, aren’t they? It’s nice that unions got you your 40 hour workweek, your vacations and your health bennies, eh? Yeah, them unions just plain suck.
What a moron you are.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:56 pmThis is way off topic and I apologize but, I need to pass some info on for dbadass.
db, I got curious and took a look at my late Mom’s recipe box and, it appears, I was confused about the white seabass. It was 35 years ago after all. According to her it’s best broiled or deep fried.
I was right about making sure to ice them, however.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:00 pmLeftside Annie nailed it and wins an internet! Unless she’s in China or Iran or Russia or Pakistan or…
June 24th, 2009 at 11:05 pmFreeMarketWingnut said,
No, fascist as in you. Fascist as in using propaganda to spread talking points, like what you do every day.
Fascist like torturing prisoners.
Fascist like bowing before corporate overlords instead of representing Americans.
There are 14 defining characteristics of fascism. The Republican Party scores very high on all 14 points.
Republicans do not want to admit they are no better than Nazis, but that is reality. Progressive Americans are fighting a battle as important as defeating fascist Germany.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:06 pmVery true, Levi the Dungbeetle. And it all leads back to those who incite the violence. And I can’t believe (snark) that the Rheichwhiners aren’t congratulating the government on finally taking preemptive action against terrorism in our own country. Haven’t they been screaming for just that since the first civil rights march?
June 24th, 2009 at 11:13 pmFreeMarketLiberal Says:
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Fascist as in how Obama administration is now running GM?
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FreeMarketLiberal,
I have been around for a while and I can tell you most companies’ corporate structure is fascist. I know this fact from experience.
What would you have done with the GM situation?
June 24th, 2009 at 11:16 pmYou appear to have and opinion.
Levi – you nailed it. And another interesting observation regarding the neo-con fascists amongst us appears to be that they often have a single issue obsession – much like the concern troll (AJ) regarding single payer. They only want what is good for themselves; they don’t think or care about others. It’s a mental health issue. And a dangerous one at that.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:23 pmI know why wingnuts aren’t congratulating the government. They are scared sitless because they are not calling the shots anymore.
Republicans don’t really care about justice for terrorists. They are just trying to maintain control over our government, and they will say anything to do it. Beware because what a Republican says is not what he/she means.
Republicans are fascists and cannot be trusted with political power. We must remove them from all federal, state and local government positions.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:23 pmI have often wondered if being Republican isn’t a form of brain dammage, or a disease of some sort that causes the brain’s higher reasoning functions to shut down.
I would love to see a nice Gitmo-like camp be set up for the most radical elements of the Republican Party. Not that I feel there is any need to torture Republican criminals, but they need to be removed from society permanently.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:28 pmI’m still trying to get used to being called a fascist after 30 years of being called a commie for promoting sound environmental policy and social justice.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:34 pmThe Republicans are a funny lot – the representatives are hanging on to a dying party – and the people who once voted R some of the time are not voting republican anymore. The 22% who include the likes of this Hal Turner freak are the only thing the republican party has. Ouch! They are drowning and they will die a slow death — and some time in the future they will return to terrorize us again because….ahem! Don’t go back to sleep, America…….they’ll be back…
June 24th, 2009 at 11:35 pmpete Says:
C&L has a story up on it, had enough, Complete with screenshots. You can’t make this stuff up.
and Sanford makes #5… this IS shocking.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:42 pmIve seen many times the regulars on TP saying that wingnuts cant think for themselves. Its true they follow Limpdick and Hannity,and of course Billdo. Just as green states @ 145 they obsess over a single issue and think by repeating it over and over again then it must be true. I cant comprehend how cons cant even open their minds just a little bit. There are so many negative things going on with the repugs. Between the talking heads on fox and on the radio their desperation is so obvious that even diehard wingnuts cant deny it. Then again their heads are so far up limpdicks ass that they will never see the light.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:44 pmgreen Says:
But where is Jurassicpork? This is the guy who harassed and threatened him!
June 24th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
green, I stopped at jp’s blog earlier and mentioned to him that there was a thread about Turner here. Was that your comment that I saw? I know that he had been blogging quite a bit about Turner for a while now, and I remember seeing the nasty comments there from Turner himself.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:46 pmFreeMarketLiberal Says:
Single party? As in Unioncrats? Charismatic leader? Well…who could that be by golly?
June 24th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
Stoopit is, as stoopit pisses it’s pants.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:47 pmOh man…two times in the same day, first Sandford busted for being a che che cheater and now Turner finally busted for being an all around scum bag, and with ties to pompous @ss Hannity…this is like Christmas….
June 24th, 2009 at 11:47 pmLevi the Dungbeetle Says:
I have often wondered if being Republican isn’t a form of brain dammage, or a disease of some sort that causes the brain’s higher reasoning functions to shut down.
It certainly does appear that those who still admit to being a GOoPer are firmly within the stupidest 20% of the electorate. But, as our self-proclaimed “libertarian” demonstrates, the authoritarian mindset owes no particular allegiance to the GOP.
If you haven’t read it, there’s a great book online. Here’s the link for those who are interested:
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
June 24th, 2009 at 11:48 pmOr come on don’t be such a baby…
June 24th, 2009 at 11:51 pmAN interesting specimen we have tonight ‘eh, dbadass? I can’t decide whether to passively observe, test it’s response to stimuli, or dissect it.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:54 pmSo when are they going to arrest Billo?
June 24th, 2009 at 11:57 pmit seems to be a lower invertebrate with limited cell specialization and tissue development. Definately radially symmetric and displaying an extremely low level of cephalization… Probably an immotile filter feeder…
June 24th, 2009 at 11:58 pmHey wingnuts, their is an educated man in the whitehouse. He is not like that fcking idiot Bush who believes military might is the answer. America is alot safer right now because of President Obama. No matter what your leader limpdick says,we are definitly alot safer. The adults are in charge now,sit back and watch and learn.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:01 amGreen Says:
The Republicans are a funny lot – the representatives are hanging on to a dying party – and the people who once voted R some of the time are not voting republican anymore. The 22% who include the likes of this Hal Turner freak are the only thing the republican party has. Ouch!
It’s worse than that. The recent WSJ poll showed 21% identifying as Republicans, 14% as strong Republicans and 7% as weak Republicans. Add that to the other poll that showed that 34% of Republicans aren’t happy with the way their party is going, they have no where else to go but down. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they lose the 7% weak Republicans in the next couple of months.
My question is, with the Republican party weakened like it is, why in the hell are they still controlling what happens in our legislature?
June 25th, 2009 at 12:02 amFreeMarketLiberal Says:
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Attn: blind sheeple being led by this Unioncratic/Soros paid group…here is a strip from your Fascist definition…
All fascist movements advocate the creation of an authoritarian government that is an autocratic single-party state led by a charismatic leader with the powers of a dictator
Single party? As in Unioncrats? Charismatic leader? Well…who could that be by golly?
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FreeMarketLiberal,
I have been following your comments.
Have you really given any thought to the above defination?
How does this relate to the topic of “Turners Arrest”?
What do you think of Turner’s arrest?
Do you wear a hat? Check to see if the hat is adjusted to tight. Better yet, take it off, it won’t kill you!
June 25th, 2009 at 12:03 ampete Says:
O’K. I’m back to flag and ignore. However, I just had to plant that thought in the stupid trolls’ pointy, little, heads.
God I wish that TP would come up with an Ignore button or hire some moderators. I am finding it impossible to come here when a thread has been going for a while. They are so full of troll droppings and people giving the trolls the attention they crave, they aren’t worth reading any more.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:05 amBluestocking @ 127 Have to say, 5th…I’m with Sscncturn64 on this one
I appear to have confused you a bit with my remarks.
To be clear about my position.
Rifles.shotguns are deigned for hunting and can be used for killing people. Assault rifles and handguns are specifically for killing people.
I believe the NRA’s interpretation of the @nd Amendment is wrong, but that’s the fault of the authors more than anything else.
Widespread gun ownership is an irreversible fact in the US. The constant ridiculous claim that “Democrats are going to take away our guns” is actually the best reason why those who believe that SHOULD HAVE THEIR GUNS TAKEN AWAY! Ironic huh?
Guns make it easier for people to kill other people. Mitigating the ability to kill with ease, to kill multiple times in seconds with ease is just sensible. When this nation was just a bunch of colonial outposts the musket was a hunting tool, the pistol a self-defense/assault weapon and either would take at least thirty seconds to reload and use again.
WHen the nation was founded the situation was the same. The automation of death-dealing and its common convenience wasn;t imagined by the founding fathers. The consequent availablity of such weapons, doesn’ in away affirm the original 2nd amendment rights, nor does their restiction deny those rights.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:09 amTo be a strict constructionalist, everyone has the right to a flintlock musket and/or a flintlock pistol.
God I wish that TP would come up with an Ignore button or hire some moderators.
I will work for food
June 25th, 2009 at 12:09 am/
I still don’t understand why it is so hard to read around. Maybe a keyword or something might help. Might I suggest Magumbo…
June 25th, 2009 at 12:14 am“I wonder if this guy’s got diaries?”
Well, because Fat Harry and I are so close, he gave me an exclusive look at his first diary entry written in jail.
Of course, he’s innocent, in his mind.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:17 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
My question is, with the Republican party weakened like it is, why in the hell are they still controlling what happens in our legislature?
I have a theory about that, Bilbo.
First of all, “controlling” is a bit harsh. They are obstructing, sabotaging, and ranting (for lack of a better term). Because they are vocal and disproportionately represented? They make a bigger impression than one would think. But that’s just semantics.
The fact is that they are still committed to going farther to the right despite all logic. The poor things probably can’t change their minds so they will continue to shout the same old crap louder. And our corporate media eats it with a spoon. The BS puts butts in the seat, as they say, so the loudest whiners get the most airplay.
As sad as that sounds there is a plus side. When all is said and done the Rheichwing extremists are louder than their actual numbers would suggest. They are still very dangerous but they are not doing themselves any favors, as this story demonstrates, by increasing the extremism. They are marginalizing themselves on EVERY issue imaginable and most people who aren’t selling “news”/entertainment are on to it.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:20 am“But where is Jurassicpork? This is the guy who harassed and threatened him!”
Excuse me? Not until he first harassed and threatened me and my family, pal.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:22 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
God I wish that TP would come up with an Ignore button or hire some moderators. I am finding it impossible to come here when a thread has been going for a while. They are so full of troll droppings and people giving the trolls the attention they crave, they aren’t worth reading any more.
Recently, I have gotten into the habit of sorting by “Top Rated” and then jumping to the end of the thread. If there seems to be an intriguing exchange going on? Then I skim through. It’s become pretty easy to skip the troll scat when I’m not in the mood.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:23 amrepublicans hate facts Says:
Don’t hold back, tell the little gnat what you really feel about him.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:25 am/
jurassicpork Says:
“But where is Jurassicpork? This is the guy who harassed and threatened him!”
Excuse me? Not until he first harassed and threatened me and my family, pal.
I saw that post too, jp. On second though I think he meant “Turner is the guy who harassed and threatened jurassicpork”. I hope that’s what he meant.
And I am very glad that you and yours are safer today than yesterday.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:32 amAnd to think that the Reichwingers were all in an uproar over the FBI saying that Reichwingers could be trouble in the near future….how silly of them.
Extreme ReichWingers belong in prison…as do a few of our treasonous trolls that post their brainwashed drivel here.
Fcuk the Republic Fascist Party
June 25th, 2009 at 12:33 amjurassicpork, glad you stopped by. I agree with pete, I think a bit more clarification of the pronouns would have been helpful. I had taken it as Turner was the one who harrassed you.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:38 amI never noticed the Top Rated thingy. Then again, I had been posting here for months, with the feeling that nobody was reading my posts when someone brought my attention to the recommend by saying they were sorry they could only recommend a post once.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:38 amjurassicpork Says:
“But where is Jurassicpork? This is the guy who harassed and threatened him!”
Excuse me? Not until he first harassed and threatened me and my family, pal.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:22 am
Seriously? Jeebus, I’m glad he’s locked up…
June 25th, 2009 at 12:39 am“Recently, I have gotten into the habit of sorting by “Top Rated” and then jumping to the end of the thread.”
pete, that’s a smart idea. That way one can fairly easily avoid the trollshit. I’ll have to try it myself (since I’m normally way late to whatever thread is active–I’ve been home sick for the last coupla days, that’s the only reason I’ve been able to comment a little earlier and more often than usual.)
June 25th, 2009 at 12:41 am“I never noticed the Top Rated thingy.”
Yeah, I think they put that in to help some of us feed our egos. ;)
And wiley, we always read your posts (I think I can speak for the regulars, anyway.) You contribute a lot of excellent comments here.
I have to go dry my hair and get to bed. Have a good night, all.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:47 amThanx Jane. G’night
June 25th, 2009 at 12:53 amJane – i escaped for a moment: cooked chengtu chicken and rice – and yes that was me. I wanted JP to know that this story was being reported here also. I like his blog very much.
June 25th, 2009 at 1:04 amJP – I was writing about what Hal Turner did to you….oops, see what happens when you go off and cook! And I’ve been posting here on and off for quite some time. Just not regularly. I know what happened there and I found it quite disturbing. Oh well….
June 25th, 2009 at 1:09 amand p.s. he is a she………..
June 25th, 2009 at 1:11 amO/T sorry, Im watching the replay of Keith Olberman. This Sanford guy is way out there. He should definitly resign.
June 25th, 2009 at 1:11 am.
I’m having schadenfreudergasms…
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June 25th, 2009 at 1:26 amMr. Turner, meet Mr. Book. Mr. Book, enjoy being thrown at this assklown.
June 25th, 2009 at 1:31 am“FBI Arrests White Supremacist Blogger Hal Turner For Threatening To Kill Federal Judges”
It’s good to see that the authorities are taking this seriously.
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Do these comments mean it’s now acceptable to suggest that maybe gays would be happy to go to prison? It was rather unpopular when discussed on a previous thread.
Rodeskawler Says:
At least now he will be in a good place for homosexual leanings.
hormiga brava chavez Says:
June 25th, 2009 at 1:50 amI think if Turner came out of the closet and embraced “the gay” within himself he’d be less angry. Maybe he’d feel more comfortable coming out in prison.
Progressive hypocricy.
June 25th, 2009 at 2:18 amHere’s how George W. Bush has outwitted any Special Prosecutor who investigates him for war crimes. It’s a piece of paper he has in his safe deposit box. It says:
“I, Richard Bruce Cheney, with the temporary powers granted to me by Amendment XXV to the Constitution of the United States, while President George Walker Bush is under general anesthesia for the purposes of a colonoscopy, do hereby grant George Walker Bush a complete and full pardon for any and all crimes he may have committed from January 21, 2001 to January 20, 2009. Signed, blah blah blah.”
Simple. Bush handed Cheney his pardon on Inauguration Day, 2009, of course. Or maybe it was the other way around…
June 25th, 2009 at 2:28 amFML sed:
“Single party? As in Unioncrats? Charismatic leader? Well…who could that be by golly?”
Your little paranoia on display here reeks of insincerity, as do any admonitions of “PEACE”, since you seem to live for stirring up the sh*t.
And single party? Forget about it. Now that George W. Bush has ruined the Republican Party, we’re about to get ourselves a taste of some of that European multi-party system. In case you haven’t noticed, the Democratic Party is about to split in two, but the Republican Party is never going to recover from Bush.
That must suck.
June 25th, 2009 at 2:32 amBobwurst @ 60 ;-)
June 25th, 2009 at 3:11 amDid Hal the fool really think he was going to get away with actually making threats against federal judges?
You don’t hear any of these right-wingpsychos talk about the DHS’s report anymore? DHS’s report looks to be a bit accurate.
Now watch Hannity and the rest of the cretin’s over at Fixed News “blame Obama” for this. I wanna know more about Hannity’s “homosexual leanings?”
But what gets me the most is what Ken Blackwell said yesterday on when Chris Mattews on “Hardball” when Chris asked Blackwell was the “GOP morally superior” and Blackwell replied , “yes.”
June 25th, 2009 at 3:27 amIn a just world, the CEOs and reporters of the major news outlets would be in jail–for inciting the populace to violence leading to the Iraq invasion.
June 25th, 2009 at 5:39 amI’ve seen pics of Hal Turner and he has perm hair. What’s that about?
June 25th, 2009 at 8:28 amWho wants to bet Hal woke up this morning in jail in the arms of his future man? Poor white supremacist! He’s so confused about himself.
June 25th, 2009 at 8:30 amWhere was he when Bush dismissed the Constitution as “just a piece of paper”? Creep… happy to read that he was arrested.
June 25th, 2009 at 8:30 amConservatards believe the Constitution only has the 2nd Amendment.
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upright left Says:
Do these comments mean it’s now acceptable to suggest that maybe gays would be happy to go to prison? It was rather unpopular when discussed on a previous thread.
Why don’t *YOU* tell us, closet case? ;)
June 25th, 2009 at 2:08 am
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Hey rhf, (”MizzJ, rhf has always been a nutcase. He’s just always been on our side, so he was tolerable. Now he’s a Clinton ass sucker, and he can’t contain himself against the “hopium” smokers. What an idiot.”)
How’s it going, bud? So you agree that it appears to be ok for libs to suggest that gays might enjoy going to prison? ;)
June 25th, 2009 at 8:45 amLet me guess. He’s a Freeper. It’s good to see the FBi has started to bust up the right-wing terrorist rings which use internet blogs to coordinate their domestic terrorist activities.
FreeMarketLiberal, you had better change your name again. The FBI terror unit is coming after members of the Free Republic terrorist cell.
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upright left Says:
So you agree that it appears to be ok for libs to suggest that gays might enjoy going to prison?
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I won’t speak for anyone else, but I could clarify that their intent might have been that a Conservative/White Supremacist with gay leanings would actually enjoy prison. Just sayn…
June 25th, 2009 at 9:21 am
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That’s fine. Just pointing out that, in a previous thread, it was considered inappropriate for others to suggest that. Apparently, it’s ok now. ;)
June 25th, 2009 at 9:37 amWrong. No one on the left is murdering people in acts of domestic terrorism. These murderous terrorists are all right-wing Republican insurgents. The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI understand that the dangerous domestic terrorists are all coming from the right. Fortunately, they will not be distracted by Republicans like yourself, who are attempting to divert attention away from the right-wing Republican insurgent threat.
June 25th, 2009 at 10:42 amOne Right Wing Terrorist down, Fox News to go.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:11 pmWhy is it when these dangerous lunatics are caught the right can only say we have the same problem on our (liberal) side? Care to elaborate trakere?
June 25th, 2009 at 12:21 pmRich, don’t hold your breath. If he gets back to you at all, he will probably equate right-wing terrorist murders with the ELFs keying a couple of Hummers in a car lot.
June 25th, 2009 at 1:19 pmI can begin to understand trackere’s point that the hate lives on both sides, but shoeless is exactly right. Who’s died domestically from a bullet shot from a leftist or a Democrat? No one. Not a single Republican has been targeted or had an attempt on their life, since 9-11 (except Bush in Georgia, IIRC, with that dud hand grenade, and the Shoe Thrower. Throwing shoes is more our style, not guns).
We’re angry about what they’ve DONE. They’re just f**king angry.
June 25th, 2009 at 2:06 pmBill Maher had it right this past week when he said (sort of) the party of big business is the democratic party and the repbulican party is a bunch of crazy, flat earth, global warming denyinh civil war re-enactors.
Funny stuff, but true.
June 25th, 2009 at 3:09 pm