Jane E. Schneider Says:

“Yep Jane. I got it right here….*slapping my butt*.”

Kay, how do you find jeans that fit a pentagram? ;)
June 24th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

I wear octagon shaped pants, Jane! LOL Fits nicely. No dieting needed. ;-)

Uhh, you realize you just made the argument for continuing production as well as research and development, right?

I’m fairly confident his day job is greeting people at his local Walmart.

republicans hate facts Says:

They haven’t fully funded the F22 purchases either, DUM BASS MORON… You are a COMPLETE IDIOT YOU JUVENILE P*SSANT.

Uhh, the F-22 is in active service moron.

:|

You calling someone juvenile is like your dad dbadass calling someone arrogant.

republicans hate facts Says:

I’m saying ANYONE that doesn’t understand how the DEFENSE *INDUSTRY* WORKS is STUPID.

Well then, we’re in agreement.

You’re stupid.

republicans hate facts Says:

Yet the ARTICLE PUBLISHED JUST THIS WEEK says that CONGRESS is *PREPARING* to approve it’s export. OOPs… ;)

oops, is right pinhead.

“Preparing” means they haven’t done it yet.

Idiot.

republicans hate facts Says:

WAYNEBRO Says:
Well since I’m in my 50’s I’m confident it’s you who are the junior.

You don’t know MY AGE, but I do know YOUR MATURITY which is stuck at a 12 year old MORON.

Well if I’m 12 little worm, that puts you in the negative figures.

It says it’s “prepared to create a VERSION of it”.

Obviously there’s technology they’re not willing to export.

And the fact is they do not currently permit it to be exported, so as usual, it’s your rabid, frothing at the mouth self that is woefully stupid and uninformed.

republicans hate facts Says:

WAYNEBRO Says:
And I can’t help but consider something you said the other day on this issue. The F-22 is not permitted to be exported.

You are TEDIOUSLY UNINFORMED and STUPID as usual BUTTLEBEE…

The Air Force is prepared to create a version of the F-22 Raptor that the U.S. could sell to foreign countries if it gets the go-ahead from Congress and the State Department, according to one of the service’s top acquisition officers.

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2009/06/airforce_tactical_061409/

Well Pete said it.

So you’re calling him stupid I take it?

republicans hate facts Says:

WAYNEBRO Says:
And I agree an arms race is a necessary evil. Stupid, perhaps. But it’s been that way since the dawn of time between opposing forces and principalities.

An arms race is only necessary if you plan to invade and take over other groups. Otherwise it’s sufficient to simply be capable of repelling and defending as most countries do.

So your premise is unfounded, ridiculous and stupid as usual. Go back to your bible quack studies and leave rational discussions to the adults junior.

Well since I’m in my 50’s I’m confident it’s you who are the junior.

Your posts certainly attest to that fact.

As for my premise, the best deterrent is being bigger, stronger and having superior technology, as history has shown us time and time again.

But why am I telling you this?

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Swiss cheese can’t retain knowledge or think.

pete Says:

Right now that edge is represented by the F-22. The F-35, as a multirole aircraft, will never match the alleged performance of the F-22 in air to air combat. And it’s not yet in service. If the F-35 proves to be a better bet? Then they can mothball the F-22s in the hopes they are never needed.

I pretty much agree with that. I’ve done the comparisons on the two from everything available that I could fine and the F-35 is certainly a contender. It’s been pitted against the Sukhoi in combat sims and has done well. It’s kill to loss ratio while impressive, is however much less than the F-22. They say the helmet mounted system will make it comparable or superior, but looking at the performance statistics its hard to believe.

The F-22 is faster, (Mach 2.25 for the F-22 to Mach 1.6 for the F-35) and can fly significantly further and higher. 5000 feet higher actually. Of course improvements to the F-35 could change that I suppose, but for now it seems the F-22 is superior on most points.

And I can’t help but consider something you said the other day on this issue. The F-22 is not permitted to be exported.

This restriction is not included on the F-35 which is being purchased by several UN countries.

So? I’m not here to participate in, or break up, a dispute.

I’m in full agreement, WAYNEBRO, that the F-22 should be funded through the planed production program ending in 2011. I still haven’t seen a breakdown of what this “additional funding” is actually for. I’m still not sure what, exactly the flap is about. If anyone has a breakdown I’d sure appreciate a link.

I suspect that it’s for modifications, maintenance, spare parts, and all the little things that active service demands. All those “little things” are what makes a successful weapon system. We have the F-22 in service and abandoning it to scrimping at this point would be a waste. Not to mention our pilots who may face an advanced opponent in any of dozens of nations deserve the best edge we can give them.

Right now that edge is represented by the F-22. The F-35, as a multirole aircraft, will never match the alleged performance of the F-22 in air to air combat. And it’s not yet in service. If the F-35 proves to be a better bet? Then they can mothball the F-22s in the hopes they are never needed.

Back in the late ’50s it was assumed that missiles and radar would make dogfights an anachronism. Vietnam and the wars of Israel, among others, proved that assumption wrong. And it cost many hundreds of lives to relearn the lesson that, aside from training, the plane that can dictate terms wins.

There are lots of places I would like to see military spending cut but I really don’t think the F-22 is the best place to start. It really comes down to spending dollars to save lives. The F-22 is capable of doing just that in thousands of scenarios no one can even imagine. But the fact that is hasn’t been needed is not a strike against it.

The F-22 is a strategic asset that’s currently unmatched. And it’s expected to remain unmatched for the foreseeable future. It’s entirely possible that it will be the last manned U.S. fighter. And I can’t think of a better use than as a deterrent to some madman that gets his hands on the latest U.S., European Union, Russian, Chinese, or even Indian weapons. And we’ve already paid for it.

Russia and China don’t want open war with the US, and I never suggested they did. They do want to move forward as a super power however, and after seeing the US struggling in Iraq, and war in which we get kicked off the Korean Peninsula would do their image no harm. Especially if they backed the right horse.

North Korea is doing more than saber rattling. They’re detonating Nuclear Weapons in direct opposition to treaty and law. And worse, they sell these weapons to terrorist factions in the middle east. We know this. We’ve repeatedly caught technology being sent to the Middle East from NK, and this is a problem that has to be addressed.

I don’t “think” war will break out. But it could. Its a distinct possibility. So being prepared is not foolish or warmongering. It’s just being prepared.

And the F-22 is the plane we’d use against the Peoples Air Force, and their MIG29 fighters (and whatever else China ships them).

And whats more, a large number of F-22’s would not only save US lives, it would help keep Russia and or China from directly intervening, as a deterrent factor.

It’s a no brainer in my book.

2 Billion isn’t that much in the big picture. We spend trillions.

2 Billion to give our pilots the best aircraft on the market today is in my book, a wise and prudent move.

Not to mention the US jobs it will save\create.

I am not saying that you believed in a secret conspiracy. Dbadass and Wiley have implied that the cooperation between Russia and China is justified because they have a rational geopolitical interest in the area, have justified fears of US intentions because of Bush actions and that in some instances we really have no reason to have a presence in certain areas. I am merely stating that such motivations are irrelevant in determining our military position. In other words, it is not necessary to judge their motivation. It is just simply enough to note that we have national interests in the area and that an alliance/cooperation has formed. Hopefully, we can work over the next few years to turn the situation around.

But please don’t label me with this “secret dark collusion” stuff.

I made it clear it was in all the papers.

If my tonality was off, forgive me.

Dealing with “dbadass” and all…

I can think of many words to describe you my friend.

“Humble” is not one of them.

dbadass Says:

I don’t remember saying anything about wings.. Are you seeing what you need to? Do I really need to point out again that I simply said any regional alliance does not equate to an offensive existential threat? Let’s pick it up another day shall we? I look forward to it.Especially if you can drop the ignorance gambit…
cheers-

Well since you were the first to call someones position “stupid”, and then implied there was no Russian\Chinese military alliance, then shifted your tune when I proved there was, and wound up whining about me being “arrogant”, I think its you who’s going to need to drop the “gambits”.

Better yet, just drop the ignorance, and we’ll see what we can do.