House passes American Clean Energy and Security Act.
House passes American Clean Energy and Security Act.
In a 219-to-212 vote this evening, the House passed the American Clean Energy and Security Act, which will “for the first time put a price on carbon emissions” in the U.S. In the final minutes of the debate, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) threatened to obstruct the bill by reading 300 pages of amendments, but eventually relented and read only a few sentences from selected portions. Progressive Media compiled a video detailing the major arguments both for and against the bill. Watch it:
Despite promises that Republicans would rally against the bill, several members defected to support it, including Reps. Dave Reichart (R-WA), Mike Castle (R-DE), Mary Bono Mack, Mark Kirk (R-IL), Leonard Lance (R-NJ), Frank LoBiondo (R-NJ), Chris Smith (R-NJ), and John McHugh (R-NY). 44 Democrats voted against the legislation. Reps. John Lewis (D-GA) and Pat Kennedy (D-RI) both returned to the floor for the first time after tending to significant health issues to support the legislation.
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im going to have a night on the town in my chevy suburban to celebrate, and probably make a stop at burger king and krispy kreme.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:07 pmWTF is with the trolls’ need to be first?!
June 26th, 2009 at 8:08 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
Hi Twajie.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:09 pmThat was close. My representative voted for it. Guess I should thank him.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:09 pmSee? We can pass things without the Repubs — and without some Dems. ;)
My Dem Rep voted “No.” Looks like he’ll get another letter from me. I don’t know why we worked so hard to vote in a Dem in this red state — he votes like a Repub. Oy…
June 26th, 2009 at 8:11 pmdespite the best efforts of the lame gopersbly @1 here and his ilk, the republicans fail yet again. but still, the margin was probably made closer than it would have been if not for the efforts on the online right:
http://blahgblog.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/direct-action-by-the-left-and-right-online/
June 26th, 2009 at 8:12 pmOur planet just breathed a little easier.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:16 pmthis legislation will force people, poor folks in particular, who already drive small cars that operate on fossil fuels to make hefty payments car payments on hybrids and other engine schemes they can’t afford just to have the mobility of the liberal elitists whose parents pay for all of their start-up assets.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:16 pmI did. I feel like a citizen again. I wrote legislators more than ever during the Bush years, but it was most ungratifying. I can focus on sending more positive messages to my representatives now. Fortunately, I don’t have a lot to complain about with my representatives.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:17 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
Do you have the facts to back that up?
June 26th, 2009 at 8:18 pmhave any facts to refute it?
June 26th, 2009 at 8:19 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
this legislation will force people, poor folks in particular, who already drive small cars that operate on fossil fuels to make hefty payments car payments on hybrids and other engine schemes they can’t afford just to have the mobility of the liberal elitists whose parents pay for all of their start-up assets.
That’s what Mass Transportation is for.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:20 pmwiley,
I finally became weary of patronizing responses from Larry Craig, so I took a long break from bombarding my Congress people with email and phone calls.
I just took it up again (adding President Obama to the list). They may not give a shit, but since I’m stuck in a solid red state it’s fun to be a burr under the saddle. ;)
June 26th, 2009 at 8:21 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
Nobody is taking anyone’s car away
Lessening the dependency on fossil fuels will actually keep the price from rising
June 26th, 2009 at 8:21 pmWhite House drafts executive order to allow indefinite detentions
Is this obama or bush?
YOU DECIDE!
June 26th, 2009 at 8:22 pmGreat. A small step forward.
O/T: the so-called television “news” is wall-to-wall about a certain singer who passed away recently. Talkin’ celebrity beats talking about Republican corruption, Republican obstruction and Republican criminality. How long can these corporate clowns keep this up? Even KO has joined in on this stupidity… Enough already.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:22 pmmass transportation is dangerous and not readily available. the point is that you’re going to reduce the mobility of poor folks by eliminating the use of fossil fuels and leaving their tanks empty. all these kids who voted for obama in their fast cars – will pelosi exempt them? looks like it, just like she exempted her company from paying employees min. wage.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:23 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
mass transportation is dangerous and not readily available. the point is that you’re going to reduce the mobility of poor folks by eliminating the use of fossil fuels and leaving their tanks empty. all these kids who voted for obama in their fast cars – will pelosi exempt them? looks like it, just like she exempted her company from paying employees min. wage.
Well if you paid your taxes as you should, instead of complaining, the State would have enough money to repair Mass transportation (and making it more available).
June 26th, 2009 at 8:26 pmHouse Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) threatened to obstruct the bill by reading 300 pages of amendments
300 pages added at 3am this morning, he should have read every page completely. To think that members of congress should read the bill before voting on it? How dare he?!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/24232.html
Rep. Ed Markey (D-Mass.), one of the bill’s sponsors, finally rose to say that a single copy of the current version of the bill was available at the speaker’s desk – and on the Internet, which members would have to leave the floor to access.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:28 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
Why don’t you go back and play with the intellectual midgets at Blogmocracy and let the adults converse civilly?
June 26th, 2009 at 8:28 pmmass transportation is dangerous
Mass Transit is much safer per passenger mile
June 26th, 2009 at 8:31 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
“mass transportation is dangerous and not readily available. the point is that you’re going to reduce the mobility of poor folks by eliminating the use of fossil fuels and leaving their tanks empty…”
June 26th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Batshit insane? Abysmally idiotic? You decide.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:34 pmlame gopersbly @ 11,
you see, when you make outrageous claims, the burden of proof falls on you to substantiate it. your ridiculous school yard comeback shows that you, as usual, have no facts to back up your unfounded claims.
adults can see through such lameness. it is not any wonder that you cannot.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:34 pmhttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a2PHwqAs7BS0
June 26th, 2009 at 8:34 pmFor every new position that depends on energy price supports, at least 2.2 jobs in other industries will disappear, according to a study from King Juan Carlos University in Madrid.
King Juan Carlos University in Madrid.
I guess that will impress a certain latin king wannabe
June 26th, 2009 at 8:37 pmWell, Zooey, my condolences for you state. At least we won’t be begging them to stop a train wreck of a presidency. The only thing that has ever scared me like the Bush administration and the last presidential campaign was a false alarm in nuclear forces. I don’t scare easily. I go where angels fear to tread.
But, the last 8 years was a nightmare—the worst eight years of my unsheltered life. No more neocons in the White House. Never.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:40 pmJohnM and Glopsby are unhappy. Mission accomplished.
My idiot Republican congress woman sent an email explaining why she voted against the bill. I know why. She’s an a$$ just like our trolls.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:40 pm…
johnm,
tp “jumped the shark”
…remember?
:)
June 26th, 2009 at 8:42 pmAmericasBack,
An earthquake in Oklahoma? Wow, I bet that had them shaking in their boots! Personally, I enjoy a nice temblor now and then. ;)
June 26th, 2009 at 8:44 pmJane E. Schneider Says:
Batshit insane? Abysmally idiotic? You decide.
Can I pick all three and add another three of my own?
June 26th, 2009 at 8:46 pmYES! This is a huge step in the right direction! Now I’m beginning to have faith that the same thing will happen for healthcare reform. I’m going to keep writing letters to my senators and reps – especially the rep who voted NO!
Fu(k off trolls! Especially the greatgobofspit @#1.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:49 pmEspecially the greatgobofspit
That is a keeper, everyone please take the time to recommend hormiga brava chavez
June 26th, 2009 at 8:53 pmI’m none to optimistic about this bill. The bill’s far from perfect (loopholes big enough to drive a…corporation through) and, with a vote that close in the House, it’ll be unrecognizable when it comes back from the Senate.
Still, it’s a start.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:59 pmLook out, Rs – won’t be long until 1. Limbaugh kicks you out of the “big tent,” 2. O’Reilly tells the crazies you’re traitors and hints you deserve to be killed, and 3. Michael Savage posts your pics and addresses.
June 26th, 2009 at 9:01 pmAlso, note Kratovil and Moore (both conservative Dems in competitive districts voted Aye), while Kucinich and DeFazio voted Nay. Granted, DeFazio is considering a run for Gov in ‘10; still, it’s interesting.
(also, yay…my congressman, Lance, voted for it. way to go, seemingly moderate Republican)
June 26th, 2009 at 9:02 pmIt’s popcorn-popping-shadenfreuden-fun to watch them turn on each other, so long as they don’t harm one another and leave bloody messes. That’s never good.
June 26th, 2009 at 9:05 pmIf the trolls and wingnuts are against it, it must be good for the country. My Texas congressman voted aye.
June 26th, 2009 at 9:07 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says:
JohnM and Glopsby are unhappy. Mission accomplished.
My idiot Republican congress woman sent an email explaining why she voted against the bill. I know why. She’s an a$$ just like our trolls.
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and you’re a hypocrite who can’t man up and move to a liberal district because life is too good in the republican majority.
June 26th, 2009 at 9:10 pmToo funny…
greatgobsofspit challenges others to “man up” online. You first, goober!
June 26th, 2009 at 9:13 pmgreatgobofspit
Why don’t you go post a LGF?
It’s not as if Charles Johnson banned you and Savage…. and then revealed your real life identity on his web site?
Ooops, he did that on May 8th.
June 26th, 2009 at 9:24 pmreggie – i don’t know what you’re rambling about, but it’s pretty clear you have way too much time on your hands.
June 26th, 2009 at 9:26 pmi assume ’shayne’ is referring to rep. judy biggert. why not just post the name, or are you too good to identify your district?
June 26th, 2009 at 9:28 pmgreatgobofspit says:
you have way too much time on your hands.
As long as Comrade George Soros keeps those fat checks coming, I have all the time in the world.
June 26th, 2009 at 9:32 pm/
even without government, capitalism still has its way of supporting bums, unfortunately. mr. soros makes good choices with his money.
June 26th, 2009 at 9:34 pmSoros checks are the bestest. I buy my Dew, Cheetos, and pot with them.
June 26th, 2009 at 9:36 pmi hope the police investigates you for the pot. we’re a rule of law country and pot is a terrible offense!
June 26th, 2009 at 9:39 pmgreatgobofspit says:
pathetic contrarian.
FOADYPPOS
June 26th, 2009 at 9:40 pmgreatgobsofspit,
Soros has law enforcement in his pocket. No worries.
June 26th, 2009 at 9:40 pmgreatgobofspit says:
Your existence is an OFFENSE
FOADYPPOS
June 26th, 2009 at 9:41 pmFOADY PPOS – is that a cheesy cuisine sandwich?
June 26th, 2009 at 9:42 pmso soros will come and arrest you? great!
June 26th, 2009 at 9:43 pmLike a typical troll, greatgobsofspit will swallow anything whole — as long as there’s not a shred of proof.
June 26th, 2009 at 9:43 pmdid soros have sex with allen stanford?
June 26th, 2009 at 9:44 pmprove that cheesy sandwiches dont exist!
June 26th, 2009 at 9:45 pmDimwit,
Is Soros so powerful in your teeny little brain, that he now has arrest powers?
Poor thing, you must be terrified all the time.
Boo!
June 26th, 2009 at 9:45 pmZooey Says:
You’ll be able to fill a swimming pool with Dew when health care reform is passed. I heard rumors that the bonus checks will have a few zeros.
.
greatgobofspit says:
mr. soros makes good choices with his money.
Twajie says something I finally agree with but I still won’t give him a recommend.
June 26th, 2009 at 9:46 pmprove that suvs aren’t convenient cars! it’s funny – let’s say miss chatty ditz on her cell phone is in her wittle car and becomes distracted and jerks her breaks, and i’m riding behind her and have to do the same, my suv would flatten her like a monster truck and i wouldn’t be liable in any way because i wouldn’t have enough time to stop!
June 26th, 2009 at 9:49 pmCan’t wait, Reg!
Maybe I can finally buy my 7 kids some shoes. Maybe even some kleenex for their crusty noses. A girl can dream, eh…?
June 26th, 2009 at 9:50 pmZooey Says:
Boo!
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Eeeh!
June 26th, 2009 at 9:51 pmBuh-bye Troll
Flame Troll
Thread Jacker
FOADYPPOS = cheese sandwich = greatgobofspit
June 26th, 2009 at 9:51 pmI heard rumors that the bonus checks will have a few zeros.
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what bonus checks?
June 26th, 2009 at 9:51 pmOh my, I expect you would, AmericasBack. ;)
June 26th, 2009 at 9:52 pmLike a typical troll, greatgobsofspit will swallow anything
Uh huh, if you need proof that Trajan swallows, just ask Eric Odom or Marc Koldys.
June 26th, 2009 at 9:53 pmAmericasBack Says:
Hey Zooey, I’ll shake your world! ;)
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isnt that sexual harrassment!?!?
June 26th, 2009 at 9:53 pmShhhhhh, ix-nay on the onus-bay ecks-chay…..
The troll is catching on.
June 26th, 2009 at 9:54 pmcan you recommend me once reggie?
June 26th, 2009 at 9:55 pmZooey Says:
I am using my check to fly Sammy Hagar up to do a backyard concert.
June 26th, 2009 at 9:55 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
isnt that sexual harrassment!?!?
June 26th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Dolt. I don’t work for AmericasBack, and I’m a fcuking grown up. I’ll flirt with whomever I please.
June 26th, 2009 at 9:55 pmZooey!
June 26th, 2009 at 9:55 pmYou should not do that in front of the kids dear. What will the Social Worker think when they hear you’ve been *gasp* Internet Flirting. Geez, pot is the least of your worries;-)
Shhhhhh, ix-nay on the onus-bay ecks-chay…..
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what are you saying?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 26th, 2009 at 9:56 pmDid you know YOU live in a Democrat Controlled Country! Buhhaa ha haa ha! (Why don’t you ‘man-up’ and move to North Korea …Where you are sure to be right at home)
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america is about the states, about choice. if miss ’shayne’ doesnt like the republican district, doesnt she have so much blue turf to choose from? why stay on the island if life is so bad?
June 26th, 2009 at 9:58 pmRandomChaos Says:
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Zooey!
You should not do that in front of the kids dear. What will the Social Worker think when they hear you’ve been *gasp* Internet Flirting. Geez, pot is the least of your worries;-)
June 26th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
I am the social worker. That’s the genius of the plan… :D
June 26th, 2009 at 9:58 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
…america is about the states, about choice…
June 26th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
So you don’t mind if I abort my latest pregnancy…?
June 26th, 2009 at 10:01 pmspeaking of illinois, they filmed that movie christmas with the kranks in a prosperous neighborhood. it’s one of my favorite movies. remember the part of the movie where tim allen voices concern to his wife (jamie someone) that blair’s boyfriend is a communist?
June 26th, 2009 at 10:01 pmgreatgobofspit – you’re way out of your league – I suggest you take your meds and go to bed pronto!
June 26th, 2009 at 10:03 pmyes. some issues concern national morality that test the strength of the homeland, so they cant be compartmentalized. we cant have women going around aborting their baby because they might not be perfect or because they dont have enough money in their bank account. pregnancy can be a great motivator.
June 26th, 2009 at 10:04 pmGreat Plan! Wish I thought of it ;-(
June 26th, 2009 at 10:04 pmSo… (rollTays antcay eadray ancay ouyay etsay emay upyay) *wink*nudge*
why can’t you just use birth control or a condomium. with all the preventative stuff we have out there, technology has rendered abortion useless.
June 26th, 2009 at 10:06 pmGo for it, Zooey! I had eight designer babies implanted, just so I could abort them, and I did it with federal grants!
June 26th, 2009 at 10:07 pmAmericasBack Says:
BTW, Gofer, do we piss you off?
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typical lib bully tactic.
June 26th, 2009 at 10:07 pmBirth control is such a hassle, and who knows, I might want a new baby to play with — for a while. When I get tired of it, I can just leave in a dumpster.
June 26th, 2009 at 10:10 pmwell, what part of it is off? use a condom, take a pill. private companies are innovating the way, yet libs still support it coming down to abortion. bizarre!
June 26th, 2009 at 10:10 pmDo you know that country song “proud to be an American” troll?
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i do. and the liberals cringe each time they listen.
June 26th, 2009 at 10:12 pmWell greatgobofspit, if insurance plans covered the cost of birth control maybe more women would use birth control.
Also, what about victims of incest or rape? Do you think they deserve to be punished? Don’t they deserve to choose? Not that it’s any of your goddamn business anyway.
You’re an empty headed moron. Quit listening to O’Reilly and Limbaugh.
June 26th, 2009 at 10:12 pmYeah, dumpsters can be a great motivator, too. You should see the little tykes trying to climb out of there! It really strengthens those arm and leg muscles…
June 26th, 2009 at 10:13 pmAlso, what about victims of incest or rape? Do you think they deserve to be punished?
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no.
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Not that it’s any of your goddamn business anyway.
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it’s humanity’s business. but since you’re a fruitcake from a third world country, your love of dictators sidesteps humanity.
June 26th, 2009 at 10:15 pmZooey Says:
Have you been talking with Cynthia Davis again?
June 26th, 2009 at 10:16 pmwhy dont you liberals be more supportive of your daughters instead of forcing them to have abortions?
June 26th, 2009 at 10:17 pmwithout knowing these people’s motives, i think they deserve kudos:
Despite promises that Republicans would rally against the bill, several members defected to support it, including Reps. Dave Reichart (R-WA), Mike Castle (R-DE), Mary Bono Mack, Mark Kirk (R-IL), Leonard Lance (R-NJ), Frank LoBiondo (R-NJ), Chris Smith (R-NJ), and John McHugh (R-NY).
thank you.
as to those 44 Democrats who voted against the legislation -
June 26th, 2009 at 10:18 pmyou WILL get yours.
http://www.wikiality.com/Michael_Jackson
June 26th, 2009 at 10:19 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
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why dont you liberals be more supportive of your daughters instead of forcing them to have abortions?
June 26th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
I don’t have daughters — don’t want them getting knocked up all the time. Their cousins live WAY too close, if you know what I mean. I’m just glad they can run faster than their brothers now…
June 26th, 2009 at 10:19 pmReggie Says:
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Have you been talking with Cynthia Davis again?
June 26th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Damn her! She’s trying to keep the state from feeding all my young’uns!
I’m not gonna stop having my nails done just to feed those brats!
June 26th, 2009 at 10:21 pmaw jeez… what did i just step in?
and why? how the hell is the word “abortion” even mentioned here?
… shaking head…
June 26th, 2009 at 10:22 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
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why dont you liberals be more supportive of your daughters instead of forcing them to have abortions?
Again, you spew BS – I don’t have any daughters. Interesting how you neocons are anti-choice but do no support struggling single moms or do not support programs that will provide healthcare for children and expectant mothers. You don’t support the health and welfare of the mother! Most of you don’t have children or do not adopt abandoned children – HYPOCRITES!
June 26th, 2009 at 10:23 pmkaty,
You’re the voice of sanity, as usual. :)
If TP won’t do anything about their troll infestation, I’m gonna play with them until they cry.
June 26th, 2009 at 10:23 pmZooey Says:
Why not make the brats work at Mickey D’s or sell them for medical testing?
June 26th, 2009 at 10:24 pmdid you know cynthia davis put lobbyist and congressional committee food in her purse and prepared plates for the children when they attended? on taxpayers dime! what a hypocrite! where was the freshly baked apple pies and flag backdrop around the dinner table? i bet davis’ dining room has nothing more than a big screen tv!
June 26th, 2009 at 10:24 pmthe great GOPsby Says:
im going to have a night on the town in my chevy suburban to celebrate, and probably make a stop at burger king and krispy kreme.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
hey big spender.
yer a fookin’ loser.
June 26th, 2009 at 10:27 pmReggie Says:
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Why not make the brats work at Mickey D’s or sell them for medical testing?
June 26th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Well, they won’t let them work at Mickey D’s anymore, cuz their noses are too crusty. I guess even McD has some standards…
You know, I’ll keep that medical testing idea in mind — especially since greatgobsofsnot objects to my having yet another abortion. Thanks!
June 26th, 2009 at 10:28 pmi hope to buy the house they filmed home alone! that’s in illinois!
June 26th, 2009 at 10:29 pmEvery sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can’t be found.
Every sperm is wanted.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.
June 26th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
one post from me that makes sense and you all take off! figures!
June 26th, 2009 at 10:30 pmAmericasBack Says:
..No. You are SO wrong troll. I can finally sing it and be PROUD when I hear it sung!
Thanks for expressing how I feel AmericasBack. We’ll take back the flag, the bible (optional for those who don’t believe), and the pride we feel in being part of the messy bubbly melting pot we call home. We will live up to the ideals of our founding fathers who would abhor the loss of freedom the last eight years brought us. We will be great again, but more importantly, we will be good.
June 26th, 2009 at 10:32 pmwhy am i expected to respond to a bunch of jkjrkejrkaljekjalajelja?
June 26th, 2009 at 10:33 pmRight, Reg. I scrape those sacred spermies off my boys’ sheets every morning, and save ‘em for the poor.
June 26th, 2009 at 10:33 pmobama is bush. too bad!
June 26th, 2009 at 10:33 pmKucinich voted against it, but makes several good points:
So one of the dems negotiated (read neutered) compromises with the coal industry?..(was this “clean” coal or “green” coal? And which one generated the toxic coal ash?)
Ladies and gentlemen, we have another illusion, like the DOMA illusion, the Habeas Corpus illusion, the ‘transparency’ illusion….
BTW, Kucinich is what a leader looks like. A Progressive leader.
June 26th, 2009 at 10:35 pmzooey collects mj sperm
June 26th, 2009 at 10:35 pmGreat poem Reggie – ROTFL! I have a solution – let them swallow their own sperm – that way none gets wasted! AHAHAHA!
greatgobofspit – none of your posts make sense – I wish you’d take off.
June 26th, 2009 at 10:35 pmZooey Says:
Right, Reg. I scrape those sacred spermies off my boys’ sheets every morning, and save ‘em for the poor.
You are sick!
June 26th, 2009 at 10:36 pmAnd I mean that in a good way.
AmericasBack Says:
Whats the matter pussy? A little too real for you? I noticed you have NO RESPONCE. As I said, you’re a PUSSY – pussy.
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why are you insulting both women and cats?
June 26th, 2009 at 10:36 pmhormiga brava chavez, watch this. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8
June 26th, 2009 at 10:37 pmReggie Says:
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You are sick!
And I mean that in a good way.
June 26th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Like I always tell my boys, if they go missing they are not to worry — I’ll have the DNA sample for the police. :D
My job is done here. Good night, all!
June 26th, 2009 at 10:39 pmGood night Zooey
June 26th, 2009 at 10:39 pmBTW, we’re having a little troll-free fun at TheZoo. All non-trolls are free to join in!
June 26th, 2009 at 10:40 pmthe left didn’t get president kucinich! too bad! you got another deal maker! another chips on the table guy!
June 26th, 2009 at 10:43 pmAmericasBack: Yes we can!
June 26th, 2009 at 10:44 pmGreat news for the growing middle class in China and India!
June 26th, 2009 at 10:44 pmZooey – that was some funny shyte! Thanks 4 sharing g’nite!
June 26th, 2009 at 10:46 pm114.Reggie Says:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
OMG she swallowed!
June 26th, 2009 at 10:47 pmAnd now I’m feeling bummy,
I don’t suppose they’ll still be good
Swimming in her tummy…
AmericasBack: Yes we can!
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keep the change!
June 26th, 2009 at 10:47 pmholy crap! … finally reading through, i find the CULPRIT -
and it’s ZOOEY @79!
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, GIRL?!?!!!
i thought we agreed to keep our routine abortions private?
… yeesh…
June 26th, 2009 at 10:48 pmAmericasback & Outstanding:
YES WE CAN! YES WE DID! YES WE WILL!
June 26th, 2009 at 10:50 pmbuild more sidewalks libs your boing to need them.
June 26th, 2009 at 10:50 pmHanshiro,
June 26th, 2009 at 10:51 pmNice add-on there to 114 at 134
YES WE CAN! YES WE DID! YES WE WILL!
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do what? let la raza take over america?
June 26th, 2009 at 10:51 pmgreatgobofspit in your paranoid mind.
You don’t know shyte about La Raza. Don’t go there fool.
June 26th, 2009 at 10:56 pmThis was a vote between liberty and tyranny and most of you here are too ignorant to even understand.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:01 pm“(jamie someone)”
holy crap… sounds like it could be statutory something…
June 26th, 2009 at 11:02 pmI would bet the farm that The Mediocre GOPsby’s mother now believes in retroactive abortion…
June 26th, 2009 at 11:02 pmOMG! AmericasBack – I have to admit that I was glad to see some of the rich snobs LOSE money. In my line of work, the wealthy do nothing but try to find ways around paying taxes. In 2008, I watched folks almost have a nervous breakdown after losing almost 1 million dollars from their retirement accounts in less than a quarter!!! Let them eat cake too and feel the pain.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:03 pm114.Reggie Says:
Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can’t be found.
While it’s true I spilled mine,
It was no dusty place
I know exactly where they are
Dogpaddling on her face…
(139. RandomChaos Says: Heh, you’ll only encourage me…)
June 26th, 2009 at 11:03 pmEACH and EVERY one of you along with your grandparents, parents and children are going to PAY DEARLY for this MASSIVE tax bill.
This will affect ALL OF US should it pass the Senate (which I hope to God it doesn’t)
June 26th, 2009 at 11:03 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
This is another clip from the same movie and it’d both hilarious and thought provoking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buqtdpuZxvk
June 26th, 2009 at 11:04 pmCap and Trade is a cool name for an energy tax. Eveeryone be ready for you bills to skyrocket.
Lets start a poll: Where are you going to come up with the extra $3000 per year for your energy bills?
June 26th, 2009 at 11:04 pmTim Vaculik Says:
This was a vote between liberty and tyranny
And the will of the people prevailed. Ain’t America great?
June 26th, 2009 at 11:05 pmThis bill is about CRONY CAPITALISM, nothing more. If it passes the Senate, there are going to be some VERY rich Democrats indeed.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:06 pmOutstandingInAPlagueOfLocusts,
This had NOTHING to do with the so-called “will of the people. Only a fool would claim this is so.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:08 pmParanoia has struck again – marnutwick and Tim Valnutwick please provide some evidence that cap & trade is going to cost us $3000 per year for energy bills.
That’s the same lie that Rethuglicans have been pushing for months – except Boehner and the rest kept saying $3000 in additional taxes!
June 26th, 2009 at 11:08 pmIf the provisions in this MASSIVE Federal power grab of a bill actually do become law, it will profoundly change our way of life, and likely forever.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:09 pmkaty Says:
“(jamie someone)”
holy crap… sounds like it could be statutory something…
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huh?
June 26th, 2009 at 11:10 pm114.Reggie Says:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
I hope God isn’t angry
June 26th, 2009 at 11:10 pmOr thinks mine lost or stolen
They only face a longer trip
Hiking from her colon…
hormiga brava chavez,
Well, we can start with Obama’s OWN WORDS in January 2008:
“… utility bills will necessarily skyrocket…”
HE SAID IT first.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:10 pmyeah might as well get a piece after cheneyco took almost enough to bankrupt us
June 26th, 2009 at 11:11 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Hi timmie
dbadass isn’t here right now but he told me it was ok if I kicked your a$$ around for a while
June 26th, 2009 at 11:11 pmTim Vaculik Says:
If the provisions in this MASSIVE Federal power grab of a bill actually do become law, it will profoundly change our way of life, and likely forever.
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you’ll see a lot more coddled kids and yuppies in fast cars!
June 26th, 2009 at 11:11 pmhormiga brava chavez,
You obviously HAVE NO CLUE what this bill will do with respect to higher prices for EVERYTHING.
Are you really that ignorant?
June 26th, 2009 at 11:12 pmReggie,
You couldn’t kick your way out of a paper bag, much less instruct me on ANY topic.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:12 pmim actually in favor of the bill just to piss off idiots like tim and gopsby
my grandkids are going to pay with it in shortened lifespans if people like you keep thinking god will fix the environment.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:13 pmand you haven’t read the bill have you tim
it shows
June 26th, 2009 at 11:14 pmrelax, if kucinich votes against it you know it cant be that bad.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:14 pme_to_the_pOTATO BUG,
This bill has NOTHING TO DO AT ALL with the environment. That is just the convenient excuse trotted out for the gullible… like you evidently.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:15 pmParanoia has struck again – marnutwick and Tim Valnutwick please provide some evidence that cap & trade is going to cost us $3000 per year for energy bills.
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The correct number is UP To $254 annually per family the first year. This has been clarified for months now but the wingers never have found a lie they don’t like to cling to.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:15 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
I hope God isn’t angry
Funniest yet!
June 26th, 2009 at 11:16 pmsorry im late to the party but i couldnt resist.
go ahead, when your stupid @$$ is overweight, unable to walk a quarter mile, and contract diabetes and hypertension, there will be less of your kind to procreate.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:16 pmmy grandkids are going to pay with it in shortened lifespans if people like you keep thinking god will fix the environment.
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your kids need to stop texting their butts off every time they see a overturned beetle and get a real education!
June 26th, 2009 at 11:16 pmTim you’re delusional – utility bills won’t skyrocket because of the clean energy bill or cap & trade. That’s a lie GOPers have been tyring to sell Americans!
June 26th, 2009 at 11:17 pmThe worst part of this is that it is the most MASSIVE Federal power grab in our country’s HISTORY! Bar None.
Don’t any of you have the slightest understanding of the implications?
June 26th, 2009 at 11:17 pmkasinca,
Sorry, that number is from an INCOMPLETE study. Ask yourself this question. To whose benefit is that number trotted out for, hmmmm?
June 26th, 2009 at 11:18 pmkeep thinking that tim, watch your party dwindle because “you are right” and can’t be told otherwise.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:19 pmhormiga brava chavez,
See my post above. YOUR PRESIDENT SAID IT WILL, dumb a$$
June 26th, 2009 at 11:19 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Who cares what a PATHETIC TROLL
June 26th, 2009 at 11:20 pmthinks.
go ahead, when your stupid @$$ is overweight, unable to walk a quarter mile, and contract diabetes and hypertension, there will be less of your kind to procreate.
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what’s wrong, are overweight people outside of the liberals’ tolerance field of vision? does the sight of an overweight person ruin your beautiful day?
June 26th, 2009 at 11:20 pmTim Vaculik Says:
the great GOPsby Says:
marwick Says:
You guys lost
June 26th, 2009 at 11:21 pmget over it
or be bitter
and cling to your guns
i will do my part and buy each of my sons an SUV when they turn driving age.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:22 pmJust because YOU said our President said it doesn’t make it so jacka$$! Provide some proof or links or just STFU!
June 26th, 2009 at 11:23 pmHave ANY of you heard what’s in the 300 page amendment that was dropped in at 3 A.M.?
I have and it is right out of the Marxist/Socialist/Communist handbook.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:23 pmoh no greatgobsofspit has spawned sons!
June 26th, 2009 at 11:24 pmWhy do we even need to vote for local and state officials any longer? They will be stripped of most of their power by this bill. The states are going to GET HAMMERED by this bill.
If any of you think you will escape the long arm of the Feds you have another thing coming.
Obama = Hugo Chavez plain and simple.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:26 pmthen i as a parent will position them to be maximum consumers. they will finish school and go on to receive MBAs, and go on to work for companies like Exxon. out of that, they will have the incomes to put all the fuel tank they please, live in 4,000SF homes, have all kinds of furnishings and appliances delivered in smog-filled trucks and consume all the beef they desire.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:26 pmTim Vaculik Says:
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Have ANY of you heard what’s in the 300 page amendment that was dropped in at 3 A.M.?
I have and it is right out of the Marxist/Socialist/Communist handbook
June 26th, 2009 at 11:26 pm==========================================================
You are part of the minority party…the losers…the insignificant whiners. Please wait until you are called upon for we did not elect the new administration to continue the failed policies of the failure GOP. Learn to accept your role of irrelevance.
the great GOPsby Says:
what’s wrong, are overweight people outside of the liberals’ tolerance field of vision? does the sight of an overweight person ruin your beautiful day?
nah. it stays beautiful knowing I can subsist on a fraction of the food cost. I dunno, ask rush, he has a lot to say about other fat people.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:26 pmIf you liked Chicago-style thuggery, then you’re gonna LOVE the next four years.
As Americans we are in a fight for our very survival as free people.
Looks like the House of “REpresentatives” have made their choice and it isn’t on YOUR side – it’s on the side of TYRANNY.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:29 pmI have and it is right out of the Marxist/Socialist/Communist handbook.
My goodness – more wingnuttery!
June 26th, 2009 at 11:29 pmour children is the generation of the boomers and we will make sure they finish this planet off.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:29 pmoh no greatgobsofspit has spawned sons!
I doubt it, he is a bottom and owned by Marc Koldys, who shares him with Eric Odom.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:30 pmHe was the inspiration for the tea-bagging parties
hormiga brava chavez,
LISTEN, numb nuts!!! I HEARD the clip WITH MY OWN EARS.
I can’t help it if you are just plain UNINFORMED.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:30 pmTimmie: There was a number from an incomplete study and it was the $3000 lie your incompetent leaders continue to parrot. The real number is closer to $254 per year. Get off the dishonest wingnut sites and get some reality based numbers. Remember, your guys use FAUX to create an alternate reality because you are always wrong with real facts. Must suck to be a knuckle dragging, bottom feeder.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:30 pmhormiga brava chavez Says:
oh no greatgobsofspit has spawned sons!
Oh no! Little Spittles!
June 26th, 2009 at 11:30 pmdon’t buy oil if you don’t need it. that’s all we need to know – we can leave it at that!
June 26th, 2009 at 11:31 pmTim Vaculik Says:
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If you liked Chicago-style thuggery, then you’re gonna LOVE the next four years.
As Americans we are in a fight for our very survival as free people.
Looks like the House of “REpresentatives” have made their choice and it isn’t on YOUR side – it’s on the side of TYRANNY
Dude leave the meth and crack alone! Not only is this wingut fringe talk but it’s paranoia!
June 26th, 2009 at 11:33 pmhormiga brava chavez,
Do you own your own home?
June 26th, 2009 at 11:33 pmOutstandingInAPlagueOfLocusts Says:
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hormiga brava chavez Says:
oh no greatgobsofspit has spawned sons!
Oh no! Little Spittles!
AHAHAHAHAHA!
June 26th, 2009 at 11:34 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Post a think or shut the fu(k up!
June 26th, 2009 at 11:35 pmhormiga brava chavez,
Have you heard any of what’s in just the 300-page amendment?
June 26th, 2009 at 11:35 pmwhy not write something like this BEFORE the vote?
oh well…
Q & A: ‘Cap and trade’ central to climate-change bill
Under the program, pollution emitters need to buy permits. Wind and solar power are also key in the measure.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-climate-qa27-2009jun27,0,7695457.story
one point:
Would those permits cost anything?
No, not at first, at least not for most emitters. As part of a series of deals to attract congressional votes, lawmakers agreed to give most permits away free at the start. Eventually, the government will sell them at auction.
so, no rate hikes, until “eventually”…?
vigilance.
yes, it’s a start…
oh -
June 26th, 2009 at 11:35 pmi heard a bit of a local (illinois) news story, that the FutureGen project here is again on hold, if not fini… the 2 major backers are pulling out, research plans elsewhere…
something like that…
Night all. I have enjoyed all the wingnut unhinging and whine I can stand for one day. Accept your role of loser, wingnuts, it will make the recovery much easier.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:35 pmrepublicans – uck some more! we need more aggressive smelly footed males to take on the liberals!
June 26th, 2009 at 11:35 pmhormiga brava chavez,
I asked you a question.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:35 pmboy that sounds like fun gopsby
glad you think we care about your fantasies.
btw, the ones who never learn how to earn it for themselves tend to develop drug habits. keep your eyes on the sock drawers.
are you going to show them how to be successful by spending all day and night driving for attention on a blog?
ok im out. stay here and cry on a message board while we go take care of business. bye.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:35 pmWhy Tim?
June 26th, 2009 at 11:36 pmhormiga brava chavez,
Do you own your own home? Well do you?
June 26th, 2009 at 11:36 pmour country has been overrun with trendy cell phone hoarders. it’s too late timmy, this country is going to kill itself off. it’s time for the good people to have a beer and some doughnuts. remember, cindy mccain created herself that wealth so we can have all that beer distributed! liberty and freedom – RIP!
June 26th, 2009 at 11:39 pmOf course I realize it’s pointless to argue with the CLUELESS, but I am so angry right now I have to vent.
I will do everything I can to prevent this from passing the Senate, but there’s only so much one person can do. I just hope there are millions of others who will do the same as I
June 26th, 2009 at 11:40 pmTim Vaculik Says
Just who do you think you are?
Why can’t you show respect? You’re a guest here and your treatment of others is not called for.
Don’t you get it? The more you troll here and make an a$$ out of yourself, the more you make the progressives look superior.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:42 pmthe great GOPsby,
Sorry, just not in the mood for humor right now… THis is a dark day for America indeed.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:42 pmKaty, where in Illinois are you from? I’m in Beach Park, almost to Wisconsin…
June 26th, 2009 at 11:43 pmremember the good ole days when you could buy a car off the lot and go straight to driving it? well, the dmv made sure you forgot – between all the tags, fees, tests. guess what? accidents still occur!
June 26th, 2009 at 11:43 pmReggie,
Who the #$%@ are you?
June 26th, 2009 at 11:44 pmTim – that’s really none of your business.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:45 pmFreeMarketLiberal Says:
What’s wrong, tired of the circle jerk at Blogmocracy?
Who was the pinhead who picked that name, they certain didn’t get the irony.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:46 pmWas it the irony deficient sow who uses the nickname VApig?
Reggie,
Who died and made you king of anything, hmmmm?
June 26th, 2009 at 11:46 pmThe trolls are here to get the attention they can’t get anywhere else.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:47 pmthat’s more the description i was looking for – the ‘american idol’ liberals. they’re destroying this great slab of land!
June 26th, 2009 at 11:48 pmTim Vaculik Says:
dbadass sent me to babysit the moronic trolls and he told me to make sure to kick your sissy a$$
June 26th, 2009 at 11:48 pmmoderate – i’m in south central illinois, corner of I-57 & I-70…
but i get around… heh…
now it’s time to crash though…
say g’nite all…
June 26th, 2009 at 11:48 pm______ won american idol! (the libs subconciously start texting, even though the show is off the air.)
June 26th, 2009 at 11:49 pmA sad day for the Republic indeed. And all you numbnutz know how to do is parrot the same old propaganda you’ve been fed.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:50 pmthe greatgobofspit
Trajan, why can’t you ever act like an adult?
June 26th, 2009 at 11:51 pmWho needs jobs when you have Cap and Trade? China is laughing at our stupidity.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:51 pmFreeMarketLiberal Says:
Oh BTW..China wants their money back and they’re sending North Korea to collect.
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hang up on them by dispatching the greatest reagonated missile defense system in the universe!
June 26th, 2009 at 11:51 pmhormiga brava chavez,
I told you why I was here. At least I can accept reality.
You never answered about whether you own a home.
If you do, you may want to go read that amendment Ms. Pelosi dropped like a giant turd.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:52 pmG’nite katy and everyone else. I’ve got to go watch a movie with my man! I’ll finish whippin’ ya’ll trolls 2morrow.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:53 pmTim & gobsofspit do your homework! Reading-it’s fundamental!
hormiga brava chavez Says:
It is not quite that simple, the greatgobofspit used to have a couple stalker blogs that attacked Think Progress and he FAILED MISERABLY
June 26th, 2009 at 11:53 pmGod help the United States of America. Too bad a lot of you don’t even understand that you live in the greatest country on the face of the earth.
Good riddance for tonight.
June 26th, 2009 at 11:54 pmtim, remember the QVC mccain pork knives? well, mccain himself placed an order in time for the big slab of meat to be delivered to the senate floor!
June 26th, 2009 at 11:54 pmReggie – yes big FAIL! G’nite!
June 26th, 2009 at 11:55 pmgood night
June 26th, 2009 at 11:57 pmhormiga brava chavez Says:
I forgot to mention, the trolls are members of the Ron Paul cult
June 27th, 2009 at 12:00 amFreeMarketLiberal Says:
Why should I care as long as I’m currently getting a decent salary working for George Soros.
June 27th, 2009 at 12:04 amI can only assume that anyone opposed to this has not heard of the phrase “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure”.
June 27th, 2009 at 12:24 ame_to_the_pOTATO BUG Says:
“…keep your eyes on the sock drawers…”
But, but, that’s where the sockpuppets live!
June 27th, 2009 at 12:27 amJane E. Schneider Says:
pretty ugly mess, isn’t it?
June 27th, 2009 at 12:31 amAll you widdle wight winger whiners keep it up.
June 27th, 2009 at 12:41 amYou have nothing but a solid track record of losses.
You were dealt another, deal with it.
As you all like to say, quite being such pussies and man-up.
friggen pathetic
quit
June 27th, 2009 at 12:42 amFreeMarketLiberal Says:
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HAIL OBAMA CARTLER! When 2020 hits you far left loons will get to experience FED SLAVERY! Job well done Nancy Pelosi and Al Gore…you sold the far left loons into slavery!
”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””
FreeMarketLiberal,
Explain how the war hero, all American John McCain lost the election. Obama is a Blackman, a terrorist, a Marxist (maybe even a communist), and doesn’t have a birth certificate. Obama is so un-American, how did it get missed in the election.
Can you provide insight, how can you loose an election after 8 years of the inspirational Cheney/Bush reign?
Please provide divine insight.
P.S. Please take your magic cap off.
June 27th, 2009 at 12:51 amJebus, guys, who’s gonna clean up all of this trollshit in the morning? We need to post a requirement that all trolls wear diapers.
June 27th, 2009 at 12:56 amSome Damn perversion of DNA.
June 27th, 2009 at 1:20 amYep
Jane E. Schneider Says:
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Jebus, guys, who’s gonna clean up all of this trollshit in the morning? We need to post a requirement that all trolls wear diapers.
June 27th, 2009 at 12:56 am Recommend (1) | Report Abuse
Try reading this stuff at one in the morning. It’s a great cure for insomnia.
Sounds like our third rate trolls are going to shite thier pants. So I have a piece of advise for them from Fred G.Sanford: Change your drawers.
tony and lido
June 27th, 2009 at 1:28 am
“millions of clean energy jobs” is misleading at best.
There are experiences from Europe with such economic activity, and it’s just not gonna happen at that scale.
It’s at the very least misleading because the new jobs will unavoidably replace at least in part old jobs.
‘Clean’ energy (even photovoltaic energy is not entirely clean) must not be significantly more expensive than conventional energy.
This means it won’t generate much more revenues.
This in turn means that even energy stuff got a slightly positive item on the trade balance it could not create much (net) jobs. Well, unless those workers get paid significantly worse than today’s energy-related workers.
The “jobs” argument is pretty much B.S..
June 27th, 2009 at 2:18 amI would argue for an alternative energy bill with arguments like
* technical sustainability
* independence of Arab oil
* higher domestic value added
* improved trade balance
* stable future energy prices
* better air quality in cities
This bill is fine by me government needs to get some regulations going. But as far as being important, its not. The news lately is wicked boring. NK is grand-standing again. MJ died dreaming of little boys, and even drudge can’t spin anything today. Personally I think that the major news spinners and talking heads are all out BBQing. Nothing is going to happen. I am depressed about the sad state of information.
at the beginning of this thread there was a guy ranting about libs. Breaking people down into simplistic forms is a control method. The powerful divide us into groups that fight each other. The more you fin yourself grouping the more brain washed you are. racists, sexists, nazis, all are underlings of ideological dictators. Hate is just a reflex to fear. The more hateful and repressive someone is, the more afraid they are of things changing. I hope things change, the people who can’t handle change will be swept out to sea. Adaptation is the new black.
June 27th, 2009 at 2:47 amOT:
This is supposed to be the Maria, María Belén Chapur Sanford ditched his boys on Father’s Day for.
June 27th, 2009 at 3:54 amWrite or call Boner’s office, ask them if he read the entire Patriot Act before the Repubs rammed it through Congress with no discussion on it what-so-ever!
June 27th, 2009 at 8:04 amI know that I am new here, but the astronauts have been seeing the earth filling up with smog. The air polution is bad, just ask any asthmetic or anyone who has lung problems
June 27th, 2009 at 8:51 amIt should be the Chemical Free and Security Act! You think China, India give a sh*t? Say goodbye to American industries. Are you people that blind? Yes, reduce carbon monoxide in big Cities. Large intake of carbon monoxide clouds judgment and impairs the ability to think clearly. Hence you get brilliant thinkers like Wiley and Zooey and the 52%. What’s really hurting us and the planet is the chemical industry and big Pharma. Also one other thing to ponder. Theodore Roosevelt founded the Progressive Party in 1912 and yes he was one of thoughs evil REPUBLICAN. I think you guys need a hobby.
June 27th, 2009 at 9:13 amI hear basket weaving is good therapy and please stay out of the ballet box! Remember, when your in a hole stop digging.
Unum_Pundit Says:
“Say goodbye to American industries.”
so sayeth the troll before his weekly trip to Wal-mart
“. Theodore Roosevelt founded the Progressive Party in 1912 and yes he was one of thoughs evil REPUBLICAN”
actually, clown Roosevelt left the republican party to create his own party thus, he was no longer a republican. duh
“please stay out of the ballet box!”
typical right wing terrorist…hates us for our democracy
“I think you guys need a hobby.”
does debunking troll postings count?
June 27th, 2009 at 9:25 am“Theodore Roosevelt founded the Progressive Party in 1912 and yes he was one of thoughs (sic) evil REPUBLICAN (sic).”
What an ignorant troll this one is. I wonder if its one of those home-schooled REPUBLICANS?
June 27th, 2009 at 9:35 amThe loons in Congress have gotten us $11,500,000,000,000 in debt and they are worrying about a molecule that comprises four in every 10,000 molecules in the atmosphere? Time for term limits so we can get rid of the insane ones periodically.
http://pushbackuntil.com
June 27th, 2009 at 9:49 amWow, the TP moderators are snoozing and the trolls are painting the blog with crap.
June 27th, 2009 at 9:59 amI guess the flag feature has been broken for a while, because the trolls have been allowed free reign to throw their feces everywhere for a quite a while now.
well, “that clown started your movement” Also, He never left the GOP.
No, I’m sure I’ll see you on your weekly trip to Target.
You didn’t debunk Sh*t.
And yes Lefty the clown makes with the insults. Honk Honk
typical right wing terrorist…hates us for our democracy. Blah Blah. Are you that far gone?
June 27th, 2009 at 10:03 amGood Morning Wayne, dito on #267…Not here much any more…Prefer the garden and good music to all the crap flying on the thread’s…Jumping over all the BS from the trolls has become way beyond boring….Guess it’s high time to leave for better site’s and more info with out all the mess….Have a wonderful day…Sunny and great here on the west coast…Hope all is well in your neck of the wood’s…P. B. & J
June 27th, 2009 at 10:21 amDennisR Says:
The loons in Congress have gotten us $11,500,000,000,000 in debt and they are worrying about a molecule that comprises four in every 10,000 molecules in the atmosphere?
YES.
June 27th, 2009 at 10:31 amPresident Obama “… this is a jobs bill…”
Now there’s another misleading statement from the President.
What he DOESN’T tell you is that this bill will DESTROY more jobs (and companies) than it will CREATE.
I read the story in the paper the other day on the study done in Spain that clearly shows this. Their unemployment is now at 18% and a significant portion of that has been caused by their extremely aggressive approach to creating a reduced carbon “footprint.”
Some of the figures citedf were interesting. It turns out that alternative energy jobs are very EXPENSIVE to create, not to mention the fact there won’t be enough of them!
June 27th, 2009 at 10:57 amdbadass,
You challenged me to produce some evidence of the scam that is underlying this rush to limit CO2 emissions. In particular, you couldn’t seem to grasp the concept of the carbon offset ponzi scheme.
Go here first to get some background: http://www.350.org
Then click on this link: http://www.ecoequity.org/docs/TheGDRsFramework.pdf
June 27th, 2009 at 11:02 am“…It turns out that alternative energy jobs are very EXPENSIVE to create…”
Tim, I have no idea what ‘figures’ were ‘cited’, but I would expect that yes, at first, green jobs will be expensive to create. But IMO that’s because not an awful lot of alternative energy businesses have even been started due to the overwhelming prevailing cultural and political pressure to stick with traditional energy. I expect that time, and steady pressure to go with alternatives, will help to solve that expense. And it’s simplistic to think that alternative energy businesses can be expected to evolve and flourish without other corresponding infrastructure, etc., being developed and put in place.
June 27th, 2009 at 11:07 amJohnM Says:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a2PHwqAs7BS0
For every new position that depends on energy price supports, at least 2.2 jobs in other industries will disappear, according to a study from King Juan Carlos University in Madrid.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
From the article:
The premiums paid for solar, biomass, wave and wind power – - which are charged to consumers in their bills — translated into a $774,000 cost for each Spanish “green job” created since 2000, said Gabriel Calzada, an economics professor at the university and author of the report.
But who is Gabriel Calzada? If we investigate a bit, we can find this page about him, done by himself, with all his articles (in Spanish, but captions are easily understandable):
Instituto Juan de Mariana
From the website itself:
Gabriel Calzada es doctor en Economía, profesor asociado en la Universidad Rey Juan Carlos y presidente del Instituto Juan de Mariana y senior fellow del Centre for the New Europe.
What is the Instituto Juan de Mariana? Well, is a religious (jesuite) institute who acts as a right wing think tank in Spain. You can judge from some of the articles referred and writen by Gabriel Calzada himself:
¿Llegó a haber una crisis climática? Comienza la reunión de los escépticos (7 de Marzo de 2009) (There was a climate crisis? Summit of sceptics begins)
Chávez: pueblo y tirano (15 de Febrero de 2009) (Chávez: people and tyrant)
Sanidad nacionalsocialista (1 de Febrero de 2009) (Nationalsocialist healthcare)
This one is specially funny:
No dejes que Greenpeace decida por ti (23 de Noviembre de 2008) (Don’t let Greenpeace decide for you)
To cite only some, there are many, many more.
And the Centre for the New Europe? Let’s check wiki:
Centre for the New Europe
The Centre for the New Europe (CNE) is a free-market think tank based in Brussels, and focused on EU issues such as economic growth, managing environmental change, health and welfare policy, competition policy, and innovation. It was founded in 1993 by a group of policy experts in Europe and the US. Most recently, it was headed by Stephen Pollard, a British journalist and policy expert who previously worked at the Fabian Society and the Social Market Foundation.
On October 16, 2008, Pollard announced his resignation from CNE to assume the position of editor of The Jewish Chronicle.
I’m inventing nothing. All data are true.
The stink of USA neoconism (fascism, as we call it in Europe) reaches high heaven.
Oh, and in the positive side about USA-Spain relations, the Obama administration is exploring ways to implement very high speed trains in the USA. That would create many jobs in a lot of USA areas:
Spain shows off high-speed train system as model for USA
Obama last month unveiled an $8 billion plan to build a high-speed rail network in the U.S. and upgrade existing services. The U.S. president cited Spain, France, China and Japan as countries with systems for his nation to emulate.
Lahood was also to tour a railway control center in Zaragoza, then return to Madrid, where he meets Saturday with Spanish business leaders and Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero.
Spain has become a leader in high-speed rail travel since inaugurating its first AVE line in 1992, from Madrid to Seville. The route has been a huge success, largely replacing road and air travel to the largest city in the southern Andalusia region.
The line to Barcelona, the latest to be completed, gets travelers to Spain’s second-largest city in less than three hours compared to a drive of about six hours. By plane, the trip takes about an hour, not including time to get to the airport and go through security.
Before the high speed rail service began in February 2008, air travelers to Barcelona surpassed train passengers by more than seven to one, but as of this January, the two groups were roughly equal in number, according to government statistics.
Sorry for the lenght of the post, but I think it is worth to read.
June 27th, 2009 at 11:18 amEvil Spaniard, thanks for doing the digging, that was definitely worth reading.
June 27th, 2009 at 11:36 amEvil Spaniard
Four thumbs up!
June 27th, 2009 at 11:56 amI don’t think the Democrats mind 18% unemployment. Poverty creates more votes for them.
June 27th, 2009 at 12:05 pmWell, another thread totally derailed by trolls and those who feed the trolls. I’m about ready to abandon TP. That makes me sad because this has always been my favorite blog. I’ve always thought it was like a nice intellectual community where I could get into a good political debate. It’s nothing but troll droppings these days.
June 27th, 2009 at 12:06 pmI don’t know enough about the bill to make a comment but if it does lead to higher taxes and the loss of more jobs this could backfire on President Obama and the democrats. Of course the alternative, if the republicons are wrong means, good bye clean air and water….and planet earth.
June 27th, 2009 at 12:10 pmJust think, if this bill does pass, if we do get a new health care system with a public option, that will be more things done for we the people and the environment in one year than the republicans got done in eight plus years.
June 27th, 2009 at 12:12 pmThe threat of loss of jobs and higher taxes is the right wing red herring. Think about it, if they are against it, it must be good for the middle class. There is no proof they are for anything that is not for the benefit of the thieves of big business.
June 27th, 2009 at 12:16 pmWOW, I came to this website thinking of aliening myself with the progressive movement. But reading this comments. You’re all like children at the playground.
June 27th, 2009 at 12:24 pmThe name calling! The centralized myopic reasoning, the arrogance makes me feel like I’m still in High school. You People forget we’re all Americans! You argue will Rome burns. The ship is sinking instead of bucket in your hand you have a drill. God save us all.
Because it’s a big pile of corporate welfare.
June 27th, 2009 at 12:34 pmUnum_Pundit Says:
June 27th, 2009 at 12:40 pmBut reading this comments. You’re all like children at the playground.
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Are you sure you are not reading the bottom feeding trolls who infiltrate the site when they lose another cause? It is hard to miss them because they had a complete melt down last night.
Unum_Pundit Says:
Go try your luck at Freepers or Redstate. Then get back to us.
June 27th, 2009 at 12:40 pmI wonder if this troll came here to alienate rather than align itself? Seems to be a right wing phenomenon, thinking one thing while trying to write or say something else.
I suppose it knows that Rome did burn but not that Nero was accused of fiddling while it burned, he wasn’t arguing.
The first order of business on a sinking ship is to stop the source of water. Unless a bucket will plug the leak it will be like someone treading water, a lot of work but no progress.
Perhaps this troll needs to go back to school to learn some language basics.
June 27th, 2009 at 12:55 pmMarwick @277. Its the republicans that blindly vote for their candidate. democrats are more likely to not even know who they will vote for until they get to the booth. Poorness does not automatically make you vote certain ways. Your ignorant grouping of people and your callous attitude towards democracy is typical of the republican party today, weak, whiney and childish. You are exactly they same as anyone who listens to Rush: brainwashed and angry.
June 27th, 2009 at 1:18 pmFrom Greenpeace:
Here’s what’s WRONG with the legislation:
* The Nobel-prize winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says that to avoid the worst climate impacts such as intense droughts, super charged hurricanes and increased heat waves, the U.S. and other industrialized countries must cut their emissions by 25-40% below 1990 levels by 2020. This bill, as it’s currently written, only calls for a 4% reduction by 2020. And there’s very little chance those targets will be improved.
* These weak targets are made even worse by 2 billion tons per year of allowable offsets. Offsets allow polluters to put off for more than a decade real cuts in their emissions The offsets are so high that they will exceed the actual pollution reductions required until at least 2026 — that’s time we don’t have!
* Coal-fired power plants are the single largest source of global warming pollution in the U.S. In order to tackle climate change, we need to begin phasing out coal immediately. But instead of phasing-out coal plants, ACES will actually encourage the growth of a new generation of coal-fired plants! To add insult to injury, tens of billions of taxpayer dollars would be spent on the myth of carbon capture and sequestration — an untested and unproven technology that is decades away from full-scale deployment even by the most optimistic estimates.
Worst of all, ACES will actually remove the President’s existing authority to regulate greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act—an authority that was recently reaffirmed by the Supreme Court. Now that the House has proven that it won’t step up and stop global warming, President Obama’s power to regulate greenhouse gases is our greatest hope.
June 27th, 2009 at 2:04 pm“…several members defected to support it, including Reps. Dave Reichart (R-WA), Mike Castle (R-DE), Mary Bono Mack, Mark Kirk (R-IL), Leonard Lance (R-NJ), Frank LoBiondo (R-NJ), Chris Smith (R-NJ), and John McHugh (R-NY).”
Because it’s a big pile of corporate welfare.
June 27th, 2009 at 2:18 pmEliHarold,
Well, if Greenpeace can’t support the bill, then it can’t be all bad!
If what you say is true, particularly about regulating co-called “greenhouse gasses” then maybe all is not lost.
Still, I think the bill is a stinker.
June 27th, 2009 at 7:50 pmOnline Full Free,
Look at the states those Republicans represent and you’ll have at least part of the answer.
June 27th, 2009 at 9:01 pmBoehner: Climate bill a ‘pile of s–t’… http://tinyurl.com/mc4caq … I think he did a good job of summing the madness up. Gosh, is there anything the congress won’t get involved in anymore. Jeez, the Nanny State is run a muck.
June 27th, 2009 at 11:09 pmIt’s a safe bet many House members never read the whole bill. This is a pretend effort to reduce carbon emissions, but what it really does is hand out tens of billion dollars of subsidies to polluters. Worst of all, it eliminates the existing authority of the EPA to regulate greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act.
June 28th, 2009 at 7:33 pmGerald Celente predict Obamageddon 2012: http://digg.com/d1v8Cx?t
June 28th, 2009 at 8:23 pm