Excellent. ;)

You claim the liberals are better than the conservatives.

Then we need to act like it.

WAYNEBRO. you are right on.

It would be justifiable to say, ‘you did it to us, now we’ll do it to you’. But, that’s not better, it’s the same – under a different banner.

Pointing out the hypocrisy of Republicans is a good idea. Repeating their hypocrisy is not.

If there is real desire to take the wind out of troll sails, this is how it’s done.

The position of this thread (the Power’s position) is objectively better than the way Republicans acted in the past.

On multiple occasions, ThinkProgress has criticized Republicans and conservatives for questioning the patriotism of those who were critical of the Bush administration’s policies — it’s not any more acceptable when Democrats question Republicans’ patriotism in a similar fashion.

Wow. this thread is fantastic.

It was an opportunity to show the hypocrisy of the Republican position and then to offer leadership on how it should really be done. Perfect.

A tit for tat argument would be justified, but it would have signaled that progressives are only more of the same.

This, however, is different. A tact that is objectively better than what Republicans did.

That’s real leadership.

Ryan Powers, very nice.

“This site is CONSISTENTLY HONEST…”

June 27th, 2009 at 1:32 am
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Shocking honesty from TP and hilarity from rhf, (”Mizz J, rhf has always been a nutcase. He’s just always been on our side, so he was tolerable. Now he’s a Clinton ass sucker, and he can’t contain himself against the “hopium” smokers. What an idiot.”)

Excellent. ;)

And if you’re not, you should consider seeing if they’d hire you. You might as well get paid for it.

Dang, I had to check to be sure TP hadn’t been hijacked. Such honesty is quite a welcome shock. ;)

ElBruce Says:

Interesting, TP…

I would say that if these specific R’s were a significant part of the “they’re unpatriotic” crowd back then, then that makes them fair game now.

Its just not about “who’s game”. It’s about who we are.

They do dirty tricks and we complain, and rightfully so. But then when we get the opportunity to do the same dirty tricks and we take it, what does that make us? I’ll tell you.

It makes us not only as bad as them, it makes us hypocrites for complaining about the dirty tricks in the first place.

If they do dirty tricks, and we do dirty tricks when we get the chance, then all we’ve got is two groups doing dirty tricks to each other.

You claim the liberals are better than the conservatives.

Then we need to act like it.

gsy987 Says:

I’m not taking one side or the other, but I don’t think that distorting quotes to prove a point is the way to have any sort of civilized debate.

gsy987, I wasn’t trying to distort Benen’s remarks. I just wanted to highlight that particular aspect of his post. I agree that this is an easy response on their part, but it doesn’t make it right.

Dear DCCC:

There is a thread up at the progressive blog ThinkProgress indicating that you are planning to run several ads regarding the Republican members of the House who voted against the recent military supplemental. Here is the link if you haven’t seen it: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/26/dccc-ads-war-funding/

It was wrong when Republicans questioned the patriotism of Democrats who voted against Iraq war spending.

It was wrong when former VP Dick Cheney questioned the morals and the intellect and the patriotism of American Citizens who were against his war.

And it’s wrong for you to spend money questioning the patriotism of these individuals, no matter how wrong-headed you and I may feel they are. We have had enough of these divisive tactics. Please reconsider this matter and stop this type of campaign. It will only backfire on Democrats and progressives.

Sincerely,

Jane E. Schneider
(City, State)

Here’s the contact link if you want to email them: http://www.dccc.org/page/st/contact

Hi Twajie

republicans hate facts Says:

Get OVER YOURSELF you D*CKHEAD HYPOCRITE! When I didn’t GOOSE STEP with *YOU* in the PRIMARIES or discussing your SUPPORT FOR RELIGIOUS FANATICS you were a COMPLETE MORON. PROJECT MUCH YOU ARROGANT LITTLE PUTZ?

I’m HAPPY with the article pointing out that Democrats are USING SOME OF THE GOP TACTICS AGAINST THEM. Big f*KKKing whoop you CONCERN TROLL F*KKKING MORON.

You rest my case.

I am for needling and causing discomfort to the Republicans. They spent all these years defining patriotism according to their standards. If I remember right, and I do, it hasn’t been that long. Patriotism is never questioning, never dissenting, being gung ho for the war, no matter how ill advised,and never criticizing.

I object to that. And I object to continuing the war in Afghanistan. All these years and our military are still dying. We are expanding the quagmire. You watch now. This latest widening the Afghanistan campaign will be Obama’s Vietnam. And lest any of us think we will get out of Iraq, just look at the escalation in violence as we leave the cities to the Iraq army. WE will be sucked right back in again and we are not out the door yet. Not till the end of this month. I can hear it now. “We have to go back in. Look at all the sacrifices our military have made.” “We need to go back or it will have been for nothing.” So we will end up back in the cities, back in the middle of it, as well as the expansion in Afghanistan.

So both wars will continue to bleed us dry. Frankly I don’t give a damn what happens to Iraq. I don’t want us losing anymore of our military or our fortune we no longer have. Call me short sighted. But enough is enough.

I do not want the Democrats or Obama to make the same mistakes as the last President, who lied us into that stinking, lousy war. Has anyone ever asked, what do we get out of it? For the life of me, I cannot get an answer to that question. In that part of the world, they fight one another for centuries. It is an understood way of life. They hold grudges closer then you can hold a lover. And it is forever.

So tell me anyone. What (lasting) value do we get from this war? What am I missing?

Wiz Says:

Nothing defines “Republican” like hypocrisy.

Another partisan who didn’t read the article.

TP quoted him as saying:

“As a substantive, policy matter, lawmakers can have completely legitimate reasons for voting against military spending measures, and opposition to these expenditures does not make one an unpatriotic terrorist sympathizer.”

However, if you read Steve’s post, he actually is in favor of using the ad’s against the GOP, as his next sentence reads:

“But Republicans opened this door. It’s hard to blame Democrats for walking through it.”

I’m not taking one side or the other, but I don’t think that distorting quotes to prove a point is the way to have any sort of civilized debate.