More than 200 people show up for bring-your-gun-to-church day.
More than 200 people show up for bring-your-gun-to-church day.
Ken Pagano, the pastor of the New Bethel Church in Louisville, KY, recently invited his congregation to bring their unloaded firearms into the house of worship to “celebrate our rights as Americans!” Yesterday’s bring-your-gun-to-church day, to which more than 200 people showed up, also featured “a $1 raffle of a handgun, firearms safety lessons and a picnic.” Pagano reportedly thought up the event “after some church members expressed concern about members of President Barack Obama administration’s views on gun control, though the president hasn’t moved to put new restrictions on ownership.” Since Obama’s election, there has been a boom in gun sales, stoked largely by a multi-million dollar misinformation campaign by the National Rifle Association.
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Pagano reportedly thought up the event “after some church members expressed concern about members of President Barack Obama administration’s views on gun control, though the president hasn’t moved to put new restrictions on ownership.
Well, duh. Clearly Obama’s not taking away their guns to lull them into a false sense of security before he TAKES AWAY THEIR GUNS OHHHHHH NOOOOO!!!!1!
June 29th, 2009 at 10:58 amI take it nobody brought a SuperSoaker full of red Kool-Aid.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:01 amI think all churches should have bring-your-gun-to-church day every day. Let them have at it, who cares.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:01 amWhat fabulous christians these gun-lovers are. The irony of bringing killing weapons to church, & even raffling one off, is astounding. Jesus must be so proud…
June 29th, 2009 at 11:01 amBeing armed while under the influence of religion is even more dangerous than being armed while under the influence of alcohol.
Crazy people should not handle weapons.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:01 amNothing says brotherly love like a glock. I’m sure that Jesus would approve. The new slogan will be WWJP (what would jesus pack)
June 29th, 2009 at 11:01 amIf you’re gullible enough to believe in a magic man in the sky, you’re gullible enough to believe the “libruls is comin’ fer yer guns!”
June 29th, 2009 at 11:02 amI think the open carry laws in red states in bars are a good idea too. I mean let them thin themselves out. At least we might get a few of them out of the gene pool.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:02 amThe father, the son and the holy handgun.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:03 amWay to celebrate your rights, sick-sick-six-shooters! How about celebrating other American rights and freedoms in your church such as: divorce, renting porno flick, gambling, lending and loaning money, performing in a porno flick, or having an abortion?
June 29th, 2009 at 11:07 amWOW! What a recipe for disaster.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:09 am200 gun totin, bible thumpin hillbillies. It’s amazing no one was killed.
I wonder when they’ll get to the second half of the book…
June 29th, 2009 at 11:09 amGandhi, asked what he thought about Western civilization, said…
‘I think it would be a good idea’
June 29th, 2009 at 11:10 amGuns don’t kill people,
June 29th, 2009 at 11:10 ambullets do!
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Pagano reportedly thought up the event “after some church members expressed concern about members of President Barack Obama administration’s views on gun control, though the president hasn’t moved to put new restrictions on ownership.”
This is almost as stupid as the teabaggers protesting higher taxes after President Obama gave them all a tax cut.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:10 amI guess their faith isn’t that strong, they specified UNLOADED firearms.
I wonder what they’d say if someone walked in with full Ninja weapons.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:11 amGuns don’t kill people, right-wing fundamentalist Republican insurgent terrorists kill people.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:13 am…
ed thomas.
his funeral is today.
….
June 29th, 2009 at 11:13 amEven granting the wingnuts their paranoia about Obama taking away their phallic symbols — er… guns, this is just fu(king weird.
Take you gun to church day is just fu(king bizarre.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:14 amwho would jesus grease?
June 29th, 2009 at 11:16 amThe only reason no one was killed was because the chruch took away their bullets. Next Sunday, they are going to have bring-your-bullets-to-church day. But, no guns will be allowed.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:17 amApparently, when these Christianists read in the Bible about Jesus saying “turn the other cheek” they figure He didn’t really mean it.
That “blessed are you who are persecuted in my name” crap is for pussies, right, folks?
June 29th, 2009 at 11:18 amThis is my rifle
June 29th, 2009 at 11:19 amThis is my gun
This is for praying
This is NOT for fun
Next, Bethel is going to open a firing range. Targets will show pictures of various minorities, ACLU lawyers and Democrats.
The last step in Bethel’s building plans is a drive through Church and Bank. You can make a deposit on your Soul while getting cash to go to the Casino this weekend.
A formal name change for this forward thinking Church will be:
First
June 29th, 2009 at 11:19 amUnited
Bethel
Artillary
Repository
These nuts worship their guns. Handguns are made to kill people, I guess their god is OK with that.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:21 amI’m thinking it was really a thinly disguised tribute to that Christian terrorist Scott Roeder.
Probably had a Tiller murder re-enactment for their entertainment, too.
These people are beyond f***ed up.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:25 am… what’s the point if they’re unloaded…?
June 29th, 2009 at 11:31 amRantingTommy Says:
If you’re gullible enough to believe in a magic man in the sky, you’re gullible enough to believe the “libruls is comin’ fer yer guns!”
Now, in an unexpected move, Obama has told White House aides that instead of joining a congregation in Washington, D.C., he will follow in George W. Bush’s footsteps and make his primary place of worship Evergreen Chapel.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:33 amand, earlier that night:
Sheriff: Man Kills Family And House Was Set On Fire
WFMY News 2 – Devetta Blount – ?32 minutes ago?
Henry County, VA– Investigators in Henry County are working a triple shooting death and arson case. Officers say around 12:17am Sunday, they were called to a home on Wilhaven Lane in Axton VA.
Youngest Son Survives Virginia Murder-Suicide By Father AHN
3 shot to death in Henry County home Roanoke Times
praisebetogod!
June 29th, 2009 at 11:34 amI guess handling snakes isn’t scary enough……
June 29th, 2009 at 11:35 amRepublicans Love Facts Says:
RantingTommy Says:
If you’re gullible enough to believe in a magic man in the sky, you’re gullible enough to believe the “libruls is comin’ fer yer guns!”
Now, in an unexpected move, Obama has told White House aides that instead of joining a congregation in Washington, D.C., he will follow in George W. Bush’s footsteps and make his primary place of worship Evergreen Chapel.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:33 am
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byog.
:)
June 29th, 2009 at 11:36 amBring your gun to church day?! This is some crazy shyte! Reminds me of the churches with the snake handlers. Their paranoia is stronger than their faith in the God they’re supposed to be serving.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:36 amThese religious nutjobs must be quite talented. How do you fire a gun while simultaneously drinking the kool-aid and handling all those snakes?
June 29th, 2009 at 11:36 amoh, and did you hear?
Court Rules for White Firefighters, Reversing Sotomayor Decision
ABC News – ?36 minutes ago?
In a blow to US Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor, the Court ruled today that white firefighters in New Haven, Conn., were unfairly denied promotions because of their race, reversing a decision that Sotomayor endorsed as an appeals court judge.
High court nominee Sonia Sotomayor was on appellate panel backing city CNN
Court reverses Sotomayor decision BBC News
HER dicision???
June 29th, 2009 at 11:36 amAre RPGs welcomed, too?
How do you holster a fully automatic, laser scoped Uzi with a 150 armor piercing round banana clip?
June 29th, 2009 at 11:37 amI always thought that the “jesus” apparition that christians claim to be their “savior” was a peace-loving apparition. That being the case, why do these peopel need to take a gun to church?
June 29th, 2009 at 11:37 amdecision…
June 29th, 2009 at 11:37 amHas anybody seen ‘patrioticliberalchristian?’
June 29th, 2009 at 11:38 amWould Jesus bring an unloaded gun to church?
June 29th, 2009 at 11:38 amwhite firefighters in New Haven, Conn., were unfairly denied promotions
Shocker!
June 29th, 2009 at 11:38 amwhy do these peopel need to take a gun to church?
Exercising their rights.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:40 am…
Now, in an unexpected move, Obama has told White House aides that instead of joining a congregation in Washington, D.C., he will follow in George W. Bush’s footsteps and make his primary place of worship Evergreen Chapel, the nondenominational church at Camp David.
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out of context, anyone?
:)
June 29th, 2009 at 11:41 amRepublicans Love Facts Says:
why do these peopel need to take a gun to church?
Exercising their rights.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:40 am
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their right to go to buenos aires?
:)
June 29th, 2009 at 11:42 amKen Pagano, the pastor of the New Bethel Church in Louisville, KY, recently invited his congregation to bring their unloaded firearms into the house of worship to “celebrate our rights as Americans!”
Not only is this right-wing domestic terrorist cell operating right out in the open, they even have tax-exempt status!
June 29th, 2009 at 11:43 am…
sorry,
you’ll need a link to go with that.
:|
:) :)
June 29th, 2009 at 11:44 am…
Has anybody seen ‘Republicans Love Facts?’
:)
June 29th, 2009 at 11:45 amWould you agree that some rights are not appropriate to be exercised in church?
June 29th, 2009 at 11:46 amChristianity and guns.
Well, of COURSE! Jesus HATED anyone who didn’t follow him. He was VERY CLEAR that ALL peole who did not step in line with his new and improved religion, with himself as the figurehead, were to be considered the enemy of all the true christians: such non-believers deserve NO compassion, No trust, No honesty, NO quarter, and they may be killed freely if the true christians believe that they are sinning against God… well, …against Jesus, who happens to BE the new and improved God (that old guy fellow just needs to sit back and let the “JC-man” run the show).
Jesus was also very clear that when he said stuff like “turn the other cheek” he REALLY meant that you should make a display of weakness to get your opponent off-guard, and when you turn your cheek back, you should have the latest and most deadly personal weaponry in hand so that you may smite down the enemies of Jesus. Elitism is the core principle of the teachings of Jesus. Elitism and the most modern weapons.
Nothing says “Love thy neighbor” like a semi-automatic rifle.
The meek shall inherit the earth, but the best armed followers of Jesus-God will rule the meek from thrones of great majesty (while 72 virgins are not mentioned, the upshot is a lot of vagueness in “promises of glory and eternal bliss” — as an aside, a circle divided into increments of 72 degrees will have 5 evenly spaced marks: the pentegram…. ooooohhhhh…. spooooky…..).
The diatribes of “Jesus The Great Destroyer, Hater of His Enemies, And Eather Of The Flesh Of Those His Followers Destroy In His Name” contain many intersting tidbits like those above.
…..otherwise, those gun-totin’ christians would be, well, not following the teachings of their professed religion.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:49 amjoe, I think “out of context” is a safe call.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:49 amOh, I missed the part where it said they were all members of a well-regulated State Milita.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:50 amI hate to tell you this, but alternate reality and facts are not the same things.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:54 amWell, shoeless, as Cagey points out, Jesus said the meek shall inherit the earth, but implied in that is the addendum that, since the meek are so… well… meek… they’ll need protecting. And who will do that protecting?
Why, Christianists with guns, of course.
it’s all in Jesus’ name. Praise God.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:55 amWhat are the chances that when C4Pee got banned, he simply turned to this new oxymoronic handle?
June 29th, 2009 at 11:56 amEvangelicalism is the fastest growing mental illness in this nation.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:58 amThere have been way too many people taking guns to church lately…
Wasn’t Dr. Tiller just recently killed at his church earlier this June?
and
In March 2009, a gunman went to the First Baptist Church in Maryville, Il. He shot and killed the pastor with a .45-caliber gun.
and
In November 2008, a gunman went to church in Clifton, NJ. He shot and killed his estranged wife and a fellow worshipper who tried to help her.
and
In July 2008, a man with a grudge against liberals opened fire at a Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, TN. He only killed two, but he wounded seven.
and
In December 2007, a young man shot up a missionary training center near Denver and then went to the New Life Church in Colorado Springs where he killed four people before killing himself.
Bringing guns to church doesn’t sound like such a good idea to me even if they were unloaded.
June 29th, 2009 at 12:03 pmwell, come on guys, I mean who in their right minds actually want to be desiganted as “the meek”? Greed and meekness (or humility) are, basically, exclusionary. So, those who want all the material goods they can get certainly don’t want to be ‘the meek”, because, as they know all to well (by observing how they choose to act) the meek will be crushed by …. welll… everyone.
This brand of modern christians are filled with great overriding martyrdom complexes, though they don’t ACTUALLY want to BE martyrs in any sense whatsoever. Still, there’s always a “woe is me” or “woe is us” line that they have to tell — they percieve (in their delusions) that they are being oppressed somehow at all times: because THEN they fit the requirements of their dogma.
Same goes for them being “sinners’ : their dogma tells them that they MUST be “sinners”, because they are human, but also that they are forgiven their sins by “accepting Jesus into their lives”. Mind you, this “accepting” does not meant hat they have to actually try to NOT “sin”: that’s the great bonus: they can sin and sin, and at the end of the day all they have to do is “accept christ” and “ask for forgiveness, for they are weak human sinners” and all is forgiven. I mean, one hell of a racket, all in all.
June 29th, 2009 at 12:04 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
shoeless Says:
Republicans Love Facts Says:
I hate to tell you this, but alternate reality and facts are not the same things.
What are the chances that when C4Pee got banned, he simply turned to this new oxymoronic handle?
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the self-replicating troll virus,
it has no where to go
and nothing to do.
…
it dies when it sees
it’s own reflection.
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June 29th, 2009 at 12:06 pmTrue. Who else would be so proud about identifying himself with an oxymoron? Most people don’t want to be the embodyment of stupid.
June 29th, 2009 at 12:07 pmEvangelicalism gives the whackos a pass for all their crimes, simply because these whackos have already accepted Jesus.
As a result, any sort of monstrous violence, including the Iraq war, is justified because the folks perpetrating this stuff have already been “saved.”
This is the typical evangelical megachurch message.
The Sermon on the Mount and all the other teachings of Jesus concerning the poor and the oppressed have been crated up in the church basement with all the other unused junk.
June 29th, 2009 at 12:09 pmJesus said, “Love your enemies as yourself.”
Jesus said, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
Jesus said, ” Those who live by the sword will die by the sword.”
Johnny Cash said, “Don’t take your guns to church, boy. Leave your guns at home, son. Don’t take your guns to church.”
June 29th, 2009 at 12:12 pmRepublicans Love Facts Says:
Tell Trajan to cease and desist with the emails containing death threats.
June 29th, 2009 at 12:12 pmI am not going to take it anymore and have started posting samples of those threats at Toasterheads parody stalkers blog, so everyone can witness how sick you are.
If they continue, I will be forced to contact the authorities.
I have long since given up trying to understand the so called
Christians in this country. They spout God, Jesus etc. And everything they preach and do, would make any deity or God wonder just what book they were reading.
This minister and most that I ever met or heard, are so far below rational or Christian behavior it defies anything approaching love of mankind. This idiot preacher and his brain dead, southern, gun lovers. Since I am not religious and since I do not believe the meek inherit anything but trouble from the unmeek, I believe in never turning the other cheek. But in a world so violent and so filled with hate and pain, you would think this moron preacher would want his church to be a place of peace and some serenity. A place of reflection.
They are what they are from too much inbreeding. Generation after generation in that town. Check for web feet.
June 29th, 2009 at 12:19 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
joe cantwell Says:
Has anybody seen ‘Republicans Love Facts?’
Probably wanking off over at Olbermann Watch
June 29th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
…
for every blog,
there is an equal
and opposite blog.
…
maybe more equal.
:)
June 29th, 2009 at 12:19 pmfergus Says:
Jesus said, “Love your enemies as yourself.”
Jesus said, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
I have been told, online and off, by some of this breed of modern christian, that these two lines (and others like them) are referring ONLY to “christian dealing with christian” incidents. That said dogma does not apply to non-christians. Certianly many if not most christians don’t think this way, but there appears to be a fair percentage who do — pure elitism in regards to treatment of other humans, to the point of “only christians matter”.
I wonder how many of these people actually read and meditate upon their bibles as compared to how many NEVER do (just believe what someone else tells them to).
June 29th, 2009 at 12:27 pmfrom this church’s website:
And we promote responsible gun ownership to protect a person’s political freedom and if need be, their very life.
Can you say ’separation of church and state’? They can’t.
June 29th, 2009 at 12:38 pmOnly in “The Redneck Racist South” could you find this
June 29th, 2009 at 12:54 pmbull_ _ _ _ _ happening. WOW!!!!
I am sure Jesus would approve!
When are these churches going to lose their tax-exempt status from preaching political values from the pulpit.
June 29th, 2009 at 12:58 pmThis statement will say it all….Americans have a RIGHT to possess a gun….but it’s a privlige to have universal health care.
June 29th, 2009 at 1:05 pmIs that Fu**ed up or what?????
The HYPOCRISY is stupendous, pro lifers,pro death penalty,pro Christianity,anti Islamic, pro adulterers and anti single payer health care, what more could you ask for from the party of “NOPE” and their constituents.
June 29th, 2009 at 1:06 pmDan Caveman has hit the nail on the HEAD,sounds like more Reich Wing HYPOCRISY to me.
June 29th, 2009 at 1:08 pm“You gave me fortune, you gave me fame
You gave me power in your God’s name
I’m every person you need to be, ohh…
I’m, the, Cult, of, Per, Son, Al, Ity”
Only you can set you free…
June 29th, 2009 at 1:20 pmIt’s your right to get shot. Having the bullet removed is elective surgury.
June 29th, 2009 at 1:20 pmAnd in the nursery, all the little ones brought their guns too? It was Celebrate the Second Amendment Sunday, I expect.
It’s time all churches quit getting a tax break.
June 29th, 2009 at 1:28 pmRepublicans Love Facts Says:
why do these peopel need to take a gun to church?
Exercising their rights.
So much for trusting in God and all that. What about “Thou shalt not kill”?
June 29th, 2009 at 1:42 pmnext sunday is M&M day.
bring to church your meth and moonshine.
yee-ha!
June 29th, 2009 at 1:44 pmmary lacewing Says: Can you say ’separation of church and state’?
How about separation of Church and one’s mental faculties?
June 29th, 2009 at 1:46 pmMatthew 10:34
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”
-Jesus
June 29th, 2009 at 1:48 pm“Jesus” “said” a lot of things.
June 29th, 2009 at 1:50 pmMost if not all on here are sad excuses for Americans. Why don’t you head to the EU where you don’t have to worry about guns and have the “Universal Healthcare” you haven’t earned?
What else could you carry into church to demonstrate your support of the Constitution of the United States? Well I guess you could carry some slavers manacels, maybe a koran?
Don’t get me wrong, I am not a church going red state zealot but I am an American and I support the Constitution 100%. Because of it you have the right to spout your BS and I have to respect that. Thus give others their rights that are in our Bill of Rights, all of them, just as we do for you.
As for Universal Healthcare, that is BS! It is just another way the gov can tell us what we deserve and what we need when most of us know what we do need, not the government.
June 29th, 2009 at 1:50 pmOh I see. You are a member of a well-regulated State Militia.
June 29th, 2009 at 1:55 pm…….and this Sunday’s sermon????? …… “What caliber of Christian are You? The question Jesus always asks while tending his Glock.”……..
June 29th, 2009 at 1:56 pmThe attendees should have brought them loaded. And used them on one another.
June 29th, 2009 at 1:58 pmDREW_R Says:
What else could you carry into church to demonstrate your support of the Constitution of the United States? Well I guess you could carry some slavers manacels, maybe a koran?
“Thou shalt not kill”. 4 words. How hard can it be to follow them? Being a Christian and owning a gun (just in case you ever try to kill someone) sounds to me like being a Christian and praying to Shiva (just to cover your bases).
June 29th, 2009 at 1:59 pmYeah, the government better not try to force me to accept health care. I don’t deserve it, and I have the right to not be able to afford to see a doctor.
June 29th, 2009 at 1:59 pmIt’s been a long time since I’ve been to church. I see things have changed a lot. We used to read the Bible in Sunday School, not the Constitution.
June 29th, 2009 at 2:03 pmChristianity is being hijacked in America by a politically motivated hate cult using ‘christian’ as a front word for an extreme right wing movement that has nothing to do with Christianity.
June 29th, 2009 at 2:04 pmA nugget from the front page of this church’s website:
Thought for Today: When you feel overwhelmed, remember God is in control.
Unless God DOESN’T seem to be in control I guess, and that’s when you need a gun?
June 29th, 2009 at 2:06 pmshoeless Says:
We used to read the Bible in Sunday School, not the Constitution.
It seems that the Constitution has become some people’s new Bible!
June 29th, 2009 at 2:09 pmPO, PO Misguided lil Drew. Make sure you also take your very own copy of the Declaration of Independence to church to use as a hymnal marker.
June 29th, 2009 at 2:11 pmI was trying to think of a reason why they wouldn`t allow bullets. I dont go to church, so does anyone know if they stand in a circle and hold hands at the end and pray? It would only take one rightwing nut to play a joke and yell, Hey theres a black liberal in the middle of the circle. Then all these nut jobs would wind up shooting eachother.
June 29th, 2009 at 2:26 pmReligion,guns, and violence, go hand in hand.
Ken Pagano, the pastor of the New Bethel Church in Louisville, KY, recently invited his congregation to bring their unloaded firearms into the house of worship to “celebrate our rights as Americans!”
So the pastor is a pagan? No wonder he knos sh!t about Jesus’ teachings…
June 29th, 2009 at 2:46 pmCageyCretin Says:
I have been told, online and off, by some of this breed of modern christian, that these two lines (and others like them) are referring ONLY to “christian dealing with christian” incidents. That said dogma does not apply to non-christians. Certianly many if not most christians don’t think this way, but there appears to be a fair percentage who do — pure elitism in regards to treatment of other humans, to the point of “only christians matter”.
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These people demonstrates that they know nothing about the Bible. When Peter did cut the ear of a roman soldier with his sword, Jesus cured the soldier and said to Peter something like “this isn’t the way my followers behave”.
Two lessons to be earned: true christians don’t ressort to violence, and they don’t make distinctions between christians and non-christians in this matter.
June 29th, 2009 at 2:51 pmAlejandro says:
Matthew 10:34
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”
-Jesus
Uh oh.
I see a “bring-your-sword-to-church Sunday” coming soon to the New Bethel Church in Louisville, KY.
June 29th, 2009 at 2:55 pmWay to politicize the faith, jackass. Did Jesus pack heat?
June 29th, 2009 at 3:03 pmSeems like President Barack Obama was correct when he referenced that they cling to “their guns and jesus”.
June 29th, 2009 at 3:10 pmWhen will “Mustard gas Mass” be? Also, will “Baptism thru Fire” take on a new meaning?
June 29th, 2009 at 3:10 pmDREW_R ; pwned.
Exquisitely pwned.
June 29th, 2009 at 3:12 pmThe G-NOP’s must have stock holdings in gun manufacturers. They are always shouting that Democrats will take away Americans guns which always bolsters gun sales. That’s one way to boost the stock market. Ha!
June 29th, 2009 at 3:14 pmLike I keep saying; Show me someone with a Bible in one hand and a gun in the other, I’ll show you someone who shouldn’t be trusted with either.
June 29th, 2009 at 3:14 pmAnd they’ll know we are Christians by our love, by our love
They will know we are Christians by our love
Everybody now! Sing along! Don’t be shy!
June 29th, 2009 at 3:15 pmWhen one examines it logically, which Evangelicals are not noted for, one is forced to conclude that these people are Faithless. If they really Believed that God provides for the Faithful? Guns are unnecessary.
June 29th, 2009 at 3:23 pmJesus must be PROUD!!
SICKOS . .
June 29th, 2009 at 4:11 pmIt is truly shameful when a purported “Christian leader” pushes a political issue on what they say is God’s time. Hypocrites. This fool should have asked his members whether Jesus would have brought a gun into a church.
June 29th, 2009 at 4:19 pmWhat was the final score, zero saved, two dead, six wounded?
June 29th, 2009 at 4:20 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
And they’ll know we are Christians by our love, by our love
They will know we are Christians by our love
Everybody now! Sing along! Don’t be shy!
ralph, you crack me up sometimes!
June 29th, 2009 at 4:26 pmIf this church is pushing politics then it should lose its tax exemption status.
June 29th, 2009 at 5:10 pmPastor Pagano also set aside some other days for celebration purposes:
Mondays were designated “Bring Your Own Switchblade Knife Day.”
Tuesdays…and the church’s southside parking lot…were set aside for “Bring Your Own Tank Day.”
Wednesdays were set aside for parishioners to practice their Kung-Fu moves.
Thursday is Ladies Day at the church…women are shown how to hide weapons in their girdles and Gucci glasses.
Friday is “Baseball Bats and Lead Pipes Day.”
Saturday is their day off. Church members are encouraged to wander about town photographing strangers and other suspicious people.
Sunday: Everyone practices with live ammunition.
Sunday night: One big happy sing-in.
June 29th, 2009 at 5:16 pmThis church and these people are really messed up!
June 29th, 2009 at 6:16 pmbazoooggawongabebbawum
June 29th, 2009 at 7:24 pm“And Jesus wept”
June 29th, 2009 at 8:08 pmReligion and State is supposed to be separated.
Holy Son of the Gun Batman, there is guns in that Church. We need the bat lasso.
Those idiots Known as the GOP, do they realize that President Obama taught Constitutional Law? Hypocracy at its best.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:15 pmThe Scriptures have meant beautiful things to millions of people. The constitution is a world class document that has been the foundation for a fantastic country we call the United States. You put these writings into the hands of demigods and buffoons, and you can sway the uneducated with ease.
I think this problem can be blamed on the wonderful education these people obviously don’t have.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:21 pmDREW_R Says:
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Don’t get me wrong, I am not a church going red state zealot but I am an American and I support the Constitution 100%.
Oh I see. You are a member of a well-regulated State Militia.
Yes I am. I was sworn to protect the Constittion of the United States when I joined th US Army and till hold to that sweets. Even if I have to protect it from citizens of the United States such as the minority but vocal socialist liberls trying to tear it down.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:48 pmGhost Walker373,
Yes, times have changed. From my perspective, it is people of your persuasion who are changing the landscape of this country. Insecurity breeds paranoia, and it is running deep these days. Where is the country that was proud of its history? Where is the country that didn’t have to hide behind a gun? I guarantee you, the world is shaking its head and wondering what is happening to this great nation.
So go hide behind your guns. Fear every person who doesn’t look like you or talk like you.
Your condition can be labeled pathetic!
June 29th, 2009 at 9:00 pmThis is sad. Leftwing Liberal Idiots vs Rghtwing dips&*ts. None of which live by what America was based on. Indepenence- which no longer exisists in most, no you have to depend upon your government to support you thus making it stronger and something to be feared. Honor-There is very little left in either extreme.
Instead we have in ther place dishonesty, back stabbing and thieves running our gov and a vocal minoriy duped into supporing it. That’s all any of either extreme are.
June 29th, 2009 at 9:09 pmI am a life long gun owner, hunter, and shooting enthusiast. I support the rights of responsible gun ownership.
That being said, we desperately need new federal controls on the casual ownership of deadly weapons. We also need a national registry of violent criminals and mental patients.
Then we need to rationally discuss raising the standard for gun ownership to match a typical “conceal/carry” permit. We need to consider tighter control of “military style” high firepower volume weapons. And we need to eliminate unlicensed sales.
All of those things can be done without violating any part of the Constitution and would serve public safety. When Mexican gangsters are coming here to buy their weapons we have something seriously effed up.
June 29th, 2009 at 9:13 pmI might also add that a person of real Faith, in man or God, doesn’t feel a need to bring a gun to church. I find the two ideas to be mutually contradictory. Plus armed people on “missions from God” tend to run up alarming body counts.
June 29th, 2009 at 9:18 pmPete,
June 29th, 2009 at 9:30 pmYou stated a your perspective perfectly!!!!!!
Ghost Walker373
June 29th, 2009 at 9:51 pmYour argument is a perversion of reality. If you really where interested in right to life issues, then yes abortion is wrong, but so is the unregulated sale of firearms.
Consider the fact that the United States has the highest firearm homicides rates in the western world. The victims of these homicides are not always the bad guy. Consider the flow of firearms into the Mexico drug cartel and the human misery as a result.
You have a perverted perspective of right to life, and I am calling you on it!
Unloaded guns are useless. All arguments regarding the right to bear arms are rendered completely moot if the arms in question aren’t loaded. “I have a constitutional right to carry this useless hunk of metal around!” Nah, I don’t think so. Call me back when they’ve got the guts to invite everyone to come into their church with a loaded gun.
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Ghost Walker373 Says:
Jesus said to love your enemy as your brother and to pray for him, but i don’t see where he said we could not defend ourselves…
Matthew 5:39:
I think that’s a pretty clear prohibition against defending yourself.
I’m not a churchgoer, and it took me fifteen seconds to find that passage. I would think that observant Christians would have at least some idea what they were talking about when they talk about their religion. And yet I am continually disapponited.
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Ghost Walker373 Says:
…but it is ok to kill a unborn baby??
There’s no such thing as an unborn baby.
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DREW_R Says:
This is sad. Leftwing Liberal Idiots vs Rghtwing dips&*ts.
What’s even sadder is equating the sane people with the crazy ones to try to spread the blame around. Nope, the right-wingers are provably in the wrong in this case as well as all other currently controversial issues. Waving your hands about how “everybody’s a bunch of idiots” isn’t fooling anyone here. The last time your argument was popular, it gave Nader almost 5% of the popular vote.
June 30th, 2009 at 12:30 amWow, GhostWalker really thinks he knows what he’s talking about. Too bad the facts don’t support his assertions. Numbers don’t lie, bro. Guns don’t save lives, they take lives. Taking that life may prevent another from losing theirs, provided the person you shot also had a gun, in which case the gun is STILL the problem.
Quick aside – you only go down for two counts of homicide if the pregnant woman you killed was far enough along. A fetus only has legal rights when it has been deemed viable, most frequently at 24 weeks. If the woman was 23 weeks along, it’s one count, not two. So your argument is only valid in the 3rd trimester, and late-term abortions aren’t legal unless they are deemed medically necessary, and even then they are only legal in 3 states. I welcome you to try again, because that argument failed, just like it has failed for years.
But all that aside.
Okay, I want everyone on this thread to know that these people are way out there crazy, even by Kentucky standards (I know, I’ve lived in Kentucky for 24 of my 25 years). I live in an area that is ridiculously redneck, and everyone I have spoken to about this has said basically the same thing: (paraphrased) “That is an incredibly un-Christian, irresponsible, and stupid thing to endorse.” This took place in Louisville, primarily Democratic with a population of 1.2 million, meaning that .0167% of the population showed up. In other words: We’re not all this stupid and crazy, and please try to not think that we are. We have some stupid and crazy people (like those “Creationist Museum” fools), just like everywhere else, but they are in the minority.
Some quick facts about Kentucky, because many people on this thread seem to think they know what they’re talking about, but clearly don’t. It’s somewhat lengthy, so if you already know about Kentucky, feel free to skip it, but most of you need to read it.
Firstly, Kentucky is not a state, it is a Commonwealth (one of four – VA, PA, and MA), and as such is structured differently than the states.
57% of the population are registered as Democrats, compared to 36.5% Republican. Democrats have run the state government for decades. Since 1851, we have had 43 Democratic governors and 8 Repub governors, 2 of which had Democratic lt. governors, and 1 Know-Nothing way back in 1855. The General Assembly is split in party leadership, with the Senate seating 21:15:1, R:D:I, and the House seating 65:35 D:R.
Adding to the interesting political mix, Kentucky usually votes Democratic on a state level, and usually votes Republican on a federal level. The primary reason for this is unknown, but is likely related to states rights and a pervasive distrust of the federal government (we’ve been burned more than once by the feds, so it’s not surprising, or even irrational).
46.5% of Kentuckians are not affiliated with any church or denomination (the largest segment of the population, with evangelicals coming in second with just over 30%), but the state is home to at least 13 religiously-tied colleges or seminaries, all of which are private and are in addition to the 8 public universities and 16 two-year colleges.
Kentucky was never part of the Confederacy. We were neutral for the bulk of the conflict, until in 1861 when the Confederate forces were forced to withdraw from Kentucky by the order of the General assembly and allegiance to the Union was declared. Even then, however, Kentucky was split. The phrase “brother against brother” has roots in here. Although I wish we had been pro-Union the entire time, it is rather fitting that we were neutral, considering that both Abe Lincoln and Jefferson Davis were from Kentucky, which only serves to show the division among the people in the state. There was a brief and poorly-executed attempt at a small Confederate shadow government, but the result was inconsequential.
Tidbits of interest:
-Kentucky has more navigable miles of waterway than any other state in the US save Alaska, is home to the largest artificial lake in the country, and has more than 90,000 miles of streams.
-Kentucky has 134 protected wildlife areas, including national and state parts, wildlife reserves, and and national forests, one of which is the largest in the country.
-Kentucky has the longest natural cave system in the world – Mammoth Cave.
-Kentucky has reintroduced elk and wild turkey, taking the state populations of the animals from extinct for decades to the largest population of the animals east of the Mississippi.
-Kentucky has more farms per mile than any other US state.
-Kentuckians love football, and really love basketball. If Billy Donovan ran for President, he’d win Kentucky by a landslide (only half-joking).
It’s a lovely state, and the people are sooooooo nice. I’ve known a lot of people who couldn’t wait to get out of our little town…and then couldn’t wait to move back. If you like the outdoors and nature, you’d love Kentucky. Plus we make better bourbon than anyone else. Period. Also, we grow incredible pot…..so I’m told. ;)
June 30th, 2009 at 9:54 amUrged them the bring their “unloaded guns”? Isn’t that a bit hypocritical inasmuch as unloaded guns don’t hurt people, only the loaded ones do. The good pastor, obviously recognized, on some level, the danger of having a bunch of loaded guns around and wanted nothing to do with it, yet was simultaneoulsy celibrating the glories of gun ownership. What a dope.
June 30th, 2009 at 11:02 am‘Yes, of course! The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch! ‘Tis one of the sacred relics Brother Maynard carries with him.’
June 30th, 2009 at 12:05 pm‘guns do save lives or the cops would not carry them’
Wow, ignorance really is bliss.
I suppose wars support peace, racism supports equality and madness supports sanity?
June 30th, 2009 at 12:19 pm