Iraqis jubilantly celebrate U.S. troop withdrawal.
By on Jun 29th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Iraqis jubilantly celebrate U.S. troop withdrawal.
U.S. forces handed over formal control of Iraq’s major cities today (it is already Tuesday in Iraq), “a defining step toward ending the U.S. combat role in the country.” In celebration, Iraqis launched fireworks and “thousands attended a party in a park [in Baghdad] where singers performed patriotic songs. … Loudspeakers at police stations and military checkpoints played recordings of similar tunes throughout the day, as Iraqi military vehicles decorated with flowers and national flags patrolled the capital.” Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, who had called the withdrawal a “great victory,” declared June 30 a public holiday. Some scenes of celebration around the country:
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Some how I can’t find it in me to be upset that we are pulling out of Iraq. Too many U.S. Soldiers and Iraqi civilians to count, I can’t help but think that maybe this long nightmare is almost over and we MIGHT actually be able to concentrate on protecting our country and not needlessly being murdered and murdering in return.
So I say, Rock on Iraqis, Rock on.
June 29th, 2009 at 6:09 pmAlthough I am quite excited for the Iraqis, I am also quite concerned about their ability to maintain control. I hope that future American intervention will be unnecessary. Their success will be a confirmation of not only their own strengths and abilities, but it will also reflect the effect the American government had in getting them to this point.
June 29th, 2009 at 6:10 pmCongrats, Iraq! Good luck.
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Cheeky Says:
Although I am quite excited for the Iraqis, I am also quite concerned about their ability to maintain control.
If they can’t do it at this point, they’ll never be able to. They’ve simply got to sink or swim at some point.
June 29th, 2009 at 6:13 pmHow fast will Fox news and, more predictably, the bush library morph these celebratory examples into somehow being representative depictions of the beginning of the Iraq war and ‘overthrow’ of Saddam?
It’s about as likely as FOX repeatedly labeling a disgraced republican as a “(D).”
June 29th, 2009 at 6:13 pmDoes this mean that I can now turn off the lamp that I have in my window for the past 6 years?
Congratulations to the Iraqis and to our military. Let’s hope the President starts ordering our military home. There are families waiting for them.
June 29th, 2009 at 6:15 pmWill June 30 become the Iraq Independence Day?
June 29th, 2009 at 6:17 pmIraqis are finally getting around to that parade . . .
June 29th, 2009 at 6:19 pmWhen does that statue of Bush get erected?
Of course, none of this means that the U.S. is pulling out of Iraq. Sadly, our military continues it’s multiple tours.
PEACE
June 29th, 2009 at 6:23 pmThis fails to mention the multi billion dollar bases still in Iraq or the 250 k contractors..But hey feel free to continue blowing smoke up our ass it’s ok we’ve grown used to it.
June 29th, 2009 at 6:23 pmcongratulations to the Iraqis…good luck with your future, I hope your new govt will be able to protect its citizens, bring them prosperity and also to unite the people.
June 29th, 2009 at 6:25 pmA step in the right direction. And for all of those folks who think Iraq somehow needs the ‘assistance’ of the US to exist, please keep in mind that this is one of the places where civilization got started. They’ve been at this whole country game a lot longer than we have.
Unless you think the party in the streets is just their way of saying good bye. Like a flung shoe is a sign of respect but this one doesn’t need interpretation.
June 29th, 2009 at 6:28 pm……and – s l o w l y – the World begins to recover from the disaster caused by that monstrosity called george w. bush.
June 29th, 2009 at 6:31 pmVietnam 2009. All those troops died for nothing because the wimpy demokrauts are cutting and running again. Keep cheering you subhuman muslim savages, I hope another dictator comes in and tortures you all.
June 29th, 2009 at 6:32 pmIt’s great that the Iraqis can believe that they are finally on the path to some sort of independence.
So does this mean that the next “emergency” supplemental to the budget will only be $100 billion?
June 29th, 2009 at 6:36 pmWe aren’t “pulling out of Iraq”. This is not a “withdrawal” in spite of the fact that these terms are being used by officials. We are pulling out of the populated areas. Our bases remain. Our troops remain, though we can probably make considerable cuts in forces. We are still occupying Iraq.
This should lead to an actual withdrawal. I am glad to see pictures of happy Iraqis. Hell, I’m glad to see pictures of Iraqis. It’s better we leave gracefully, than hanging by the skids of evacuating helicopters, which is what would expect had we continued to occupy their cities.
We broke it. I hope we and the international community can rally to help Iraqis fix it, so that they can have peace and security. Right now, they don’t have their own military, they’ve suffered a brain-drain, their utilities have not been fully restored, and women’s rights have been set back a hundred years.
June 29th, 2009 at 6:37 pmNor will you hear it mentioned. The megabases complete with Burger Kings and ice cream shops don’t register a blip in the msm or with the population at large. We will be occupying Iraq for decades to come, if we ever leave.
June 29th, 2009 at 6:38 pmI’ve heard they’ve redrawn some of the city limits of Iraqi towns to cooperate with the charade the US is pulling out.
Vietnam…isn’t that one of those Asian Rim countries that the US is offshoring its manufacturing to these days?
I guess that’s just the problem with playing dominoes when the rest of the world plays parcheesi.
June 29th, 2009 at 6:38 pmAs long as there’s a member of George Bush Sr.’s family alive in America, there will always be the possibility that the United States will invade Iraq for the third time.
June 29th, 2009 at 6:40 pmUm… who’s left to kill, young Repuke moron dumbfck?
June 29th, 2009 at 6:41 pmI hope they remember the US and all the blood and treasure spent so they can enjoy this day. We may need THEIR troops here to keep the peace…….SOON!
June 29th, 2009 at 6:46 pmThis is the day for “candy and flowers” — the day we start to leave!!!
June 29th, 2009 at 6:46 pmIs this what’s known as “compassionate conservatism”?
Or is ti simply “sour grapes”?
June 29th, 2009 at 6:47 pmdelafield says:
I heard Jeb Bush is the dark horse candidate for the next election!!!
June 29th, 2009 at 6:48 pmOh, I[m sure they will, Slappy. How could they not be grateful?
Do you know something we don’t know? Did Scott Roeder say something via code from his prison cell?
June 29th, 2009 at 6:49 pmSlappyBastinado Says:
I hope they remember the US and all the blood and treasure spent so they can enjoy this day. We may need THEIR troops here to keep the peace…….SOON!
Planning an insurrection, traitor?
June 29th, 2009 at 6:50 pmJust a few more days and their day of independence could have coincided with America’s Independence day.
Wonder if they’ll have any tea-baggers.
Oh, and YOUNGSTER, as Obama stated, “NO SOLDIER EVER DIED IN VAIN
June 29th, 2009 at 6:50 pmCARRYING OUT THE MISSION OF HIS PRESIDENT.”
Rational people have been calling for this move for years. The first steps in withdrawing an invasion force are a cessation of offensive action and withdrawal to safe bases.
The sad fact is that we will never know if pursuing this policy in 2004 or ‘05 might have mitigated the horrors of ‘06 and the increased body count of the first months of “the surge”. In all probability, when viewing these pictures, it looks like such action would have resulted in exuberant celebration then as it has now.
June 29th, 2009 at 6:50 pmgummble-bee-itch Says:
SlappyBastinado Says:
I hope they remember the US and all the blood and treasure spent so they can enjoy this day. We may need THEIR troops here to keep the peace…….SOON!
Planning an insurrection, traitor?
Since we are running out of third world countries we can pick on, it would only make sense for the Cheney machine to ramp up unrest in the US.
They wouldn’t have as far to travel, language isn’t a barrier and you can drink the water. At least in most places.
June 29th, 2009 at 6:59 pmHey, I would too be happy if there was a foreign Country in our Country. We should never had invaded Iraq. That is my opinion…
June 29th, 2009 at 6:59 pmHave the Iraqis greeted our soldiers as liberators yet?
What a shame that so many Iraqi and American lives were destroyed by this stupid invasion. Just what did it accomplish, apart from incredibly insane profits for Halliburton, BKR, Blackwater and the other corporate trash?
How many of our repiggie trolls signed up to fight in the Bush/Cheney War on Terror in Iraq?
None…although they strut around like Mussolini on this blog, huffing and puffing and strutting around. It’s their war, but they cowardly chose not to enlist. They would rather destroy the lives of American military personnel.
That Iraq invasion was simply a testosterone injection for Bush and Cheney, the two cowards who sat out military service in Vietnam.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:00 pmLeave it to the stupid trolls. The withdrawal of troops from harm’s way is the only good part of any war. And yet? The stupid trolls can’t celebrate this important, if largely symbolic, event because their guy couldn’t make it happen and they just want to see Muslims die. No matter the cost.
Congratulations, stupid trolls. You have proved your separation from the human race more clearly than any of us ever could. You’ve really outdone yourselves.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:02 pmHave the Iraqis greeted our soldiers as liberators yet?
No but they seem to be downright enthusiastic about waving bye bye.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:02 pmMarie says, “I heard Jeb Bush is the dark horse candidate for the next election!!!”
And America is dumb enough to elect him. Too bad there’s no more money left in the Treasury for Bush to steal.
The only thing he’ll be able to do is murder millions of defenseless civilians in the Middle East, Central America, South America, and Southeast Asia. He can carry on the Bush family tradition.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:07 pmYou *GOT* your OIL – MORON!
Where is it, cappy?
June 29th, 2009 at 7:12 pmFreeMarketLiberal Says:
I see the Democratic Soros funded CAP zombies cranked out another left spin putzer prize winning article.
If ravenous zombies with a hunger for brains ever attacked you, they’d probably starve.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:12 pmThe Young Republican Says:
Vietnam 2009. All those troops died for nothing because the wimpy demokrauts are cutting and running again. Keep cheering you subhuman muslim savages, I hope another dictator comes in and tortures you all.
How very Christian of you. You’re just grumpy because you won’t get to steal the Iraqi’s oil anymore.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:13 pm30. FreeMarketLiberal Says: “We are not happy now,” said Abu Noor, a college student, standing outside a market in Ur, a neighborhood in northeastern Baghdad. “Why should we be happy? We know that things will turn upside-down after maybe a week of the withdrawal. We all know that the militias are hiding because they know the Americans are inside the cities and are ready to be there at a moment’s notice.”
Are these the same militias that bush paid to not attack US troops so he could claim the “surge” was a success?
KMA, FML….
June 29th, 2009 at 7:14 pmWhat happened when Democrats in Congress cut off funding for the Vietnam War?
Historians have directly attributed the fall of Saigon in 1975 to the cessation of American aid. Without the necessary funds, South Vietnam found it logistically and financially impossible to defeat the North Vietnamese army. Moreover, the withdrawal of aid encouraged North Vietnam to begin an effective military offensive against South Vietnam. Given the monetary and military investment in Vietnam, former Assistant Secretary of State Richard Armitage compared the American withdrawal to “a pregnant lady, abandoned by her lover to face her fate.” 2 Historian Lewis Fanning went so far as to say that “it was not the Hanoi communists who won the war, but rather the democrat Congress that lost it.”
June 29th, 2009 at 7:16 pmAnd America is dumb enough to elect him.
Look no furhter than obama for proof!
June 29th, 2009 at 7:17 pmwhy is my comment “awaiting confirmation”?
June 29th, 2009 at 7:18 pmRepublicans Love Facts Says:
Remember, $0, that you should cite your articles. Don’t be lazy.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:19 pmI am still not sure what ‘winning’ in Iraq is supposed to look like.
The end of over 1500 years of sectarian strife? Just because we blew the crap out of their country?
Annexation to the US?
They elect GW President and hand things over to the Cheney machine? They already had Saddam, Cheney would be old hat.
A stable democracy along US lines? Again, I think they have had enough experience with an elite class glomming onto the wealth and using extraordinary rendition and torture as a means of holding power.
More BKs and MickyD’s?
June 29th, 2009 at 7:19 pmRepublicans Love Facts Says:
>> And America is dumb enough to elect him.
Look no furhter than obama for proof!
Ah, sweet irony. Talk about the dumbing of America.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:19 pmmoderation…whatever
June 29th, 2009 at 7:20 pmGee, maybe if Bush and Cheney had actually served in Vietnam, it would not have been “lost.”
Of course, we know that those two scoundrels were otherwise engaged.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:20 pmWasn’t Cheney studying to be a holy roller preacherman?
The Young Republican Says:
Vietnam 2009. All those troops died for nothing because the wimpy demokrauts are cutting and running again. Keep cheering you subhuman muslim savages, I hope another dictator comes in and tortures you all.
Grow up. I’m sure your parents are hoping you do belong long.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:21 pmLuis Chapulin M Says:
The irony is you can’t refute the facts so you have to resort to jumping on typos. TDF!
June 29th, 2009 at 7:22 pmThe country should never have been invaded but even after it was, Bush managed to make a big mess of it. This day should have been 6 years ago and no US troops there now.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:22 pmRepublicans Love Facts Says:
The irony is you can’t refute the facts so you have to resort to jumping on typos. TDF!
That’s not what irony means…
June 29th, 2009 at 7:24 pm“calls it “balancing competing armed interest groups.”
The saying used to be ‘if you can’t beat them, join them’
The war machine has brought it into the 21st Century…”If you can’t bomb them, buy them.”
June 29th, 2009 at 7:25 pmIraqi’s deserve to celebrate. Not only should our troops leave their country – the US government should apologize for invading their country illegally. This is just shameful! Shame on The Bush Crime Family!
June 29th, 2009 at 7:25 pmLuis Chapulin M Says:
How’s that boot leather?
June 29th, 2009 at 7:26 pmAnyone see pictures of cheering Iraqis on any of the Evening News Programs???
CBS..Nope
PBS Newshour…Nope
June 29th, 2009 at 7:28 pmWhy are there so many repiggie trolls stateside?
Why aren’t these militaristic popinjays actually doing some soldiering?
Why aren’t they enlisting to fight in the Global War on Terror, that wondrous campaign that gives them an eternal stiffie?
How marvelous it would be to see a repiggie troll brigade at the vanguard of the hunt for Bin Laden. These trolls could illustrate their much-vaunted military wisdom and expertise in the fight against the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Just thinking of the possibility of these stalwart warriors taking it to “the enemy” over there just sends tingles up my spine.
So when are our fearless manly repiggie trolls going to enlist for military service in Afghanistan?
What’s the matter? Anal warts? Preacher School? A pending golf tournament?
A 56 inch waist?
What’s up, repiggie trolls?
June 29th, 2009 at 7:28 pmThe Young Republican Says:
Vietnam 2009. All those troops died for nothing because the wimpy demokrauts are cutting and running again. Keep cheering you subhuman muslim savages, I hope another dictator comes in and tortures you all.
You are an ignorant coward. Shame on people like you who support what BushCo. did to our soldiers and to the Iraqi people!
June 29th, 2009 at 7:28 pmRepublicans Love Facts Says:
>>And America is dumb enough to elect him.
Look no furhter than obama for proof!
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Republicans Love Facts Says:
The irony is you can’t refute the facts so you have to resort to jumping on typos. TDF!
Well, you got me. I couldn’t refute your facts, because you showed no facts at all, mere opinion.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:31 pmhormiga brava chavez Says:
Says the terrorist defender……
June 29th, 2009 at 7:32 pmWhy aren’t any of these repiggie trolls serving in Afghanistan right now?
June 29th, 2009 at 7:37 pmevangenital Says:
Why aren’t any of these repiggie trolls serving in Afghanistan right now?
That’s easy. Because they’re cowards.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:38 pmYou don’t have to serve to support the war you stupid turd
June 29th, 2009 at 7:39 pmFreeMarketLiberal Says:
All alone you far left loons are…so sad :(
We outnumber you here.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:39 pmThe Young Republican Says:
You don’t have to serve to support the war you stupid turd
Talk the talk, but can’t walk the walk?
June 29th, 2009 at 7:40 pmRepublicans Love Facts Says:
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hormiga brava chavez Says:
Says the terrorist defender
You’re confused. I’m not defending Bush and Cheney who are two of the top terrorists in the world!
June 29th, 2009 at 7:40 pmWe’re celebrating too!
June 29th, 2009 at 7:40 pmIt is not the fault of the military who did the job that was demanded of them, but we should never have gone into Iraq in the first place. There were no WMD and Iraq posed absolutely no threat to the United States of America. No wonder they are glad we are leaving.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:41 pmThe Young Republican Says:
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You don’t have to serve to support the war you stupid turd
That’s why you’re a coward. Just like Cheney and Bush – no problem supporting a bogus war and putting other people’s lives on the line! It’s OK as long as it’s not your life!
June 29th, 2009 at 7:42 pmRepublicans Love Facts Says:
You are the terrorist defender, without them you have no arguement. Talk is cheap and basically worthless unless you back it up with action. It’s real easy to talk on a computer, just slightly more difficult face to face or likely impossible in your case. Being “tough” is more than words it’s action and dedication, likely concepts you are unfamiliar with.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:42 pmI remember the Bush-Loving neocons saying for years:
“You must support your president right or wrong!”
“The Iraqis do not want the Americans to leave their country! They need us and will use a withdrawal as a way to kill our soldiers! Fear, fear, fear!”
Huh. Now look. Celebrating & fireworks in the streets as you read this.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:43 pmIt’s really sad when an inbred mutant gets hooked on meth and moonshine.
“NOTE TO KIDS: If you’re an inbred mutant make sure you only use intoxicants approved by the government. Unapproved intoxicants may cause; sluggishness, meanness, allergy to logic, trollism.”
June 29th, 2009 at 7:45 pmYoung little repug. When are you signing up? You are young and I assume healthy, so when are you going to stand up for your country? You have no excuse, You say you support the war, well your country needs all the young men it can get. I expect to hear that you went down and signed up, so the next time you post here, you will be a proud member of our military.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:45 pmInteresting….did you know that the current Iraqi government formed under George Bush is made up of Iranian Shia? Where was your outrage? And did it bother you that George Bush was all for putting in Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan, you know, the guy associated with Unocal (Union Oil Company of California and the same company bought by Chevron a few years ago)?
June 29th, 2009 at 7:47 pmWe lost nearly 5,000 good men and women on this worthless war and we still have all these chickensh*t chickenhawk cowards spewing their bs about how great war is. Why didn’t these cowards go take the place of good people?
June 29th, 2009 at 7:48 pmYoung Republicans grow up to be old cowards and crooks and liars. Some things never change.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:49 pmI still wonder where all the Iraqi ancient museum treasures went to after we invaded and the museums got looted? I bet George Bush & Dick Cheney (and their mighty CEO/Oil Execs!) have many of them in their possession! Criminals.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:50 pmNow lets get out of Afghanistan!
June 29th, 2009 at 7:50 pmA young republican should be serving in the miilitary in Afghanistan right now.
The Army takes chubby evangelicals. They’ll help burn away all that flab and those he-boobies.
So why aren’t the repiggie trolls enlisting?
Walk the talk, hypocrites.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:50 pmA sockpuppet, the latest manifestation of a warped psyche that manufactures “personalities” in order to create someone to agree with, talking about us being “all alone”. Now that I’ve stopped rolling on the floor, and emailing all my friends the link, it’s actually kinda sad.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:50 pmI thought they lowered the enlistment standards so the inbred retards would qualify for the military? What are they doing on our progressive board?
June 29th, 2009 at 7:51 pmFreeMarketLiberal Says:
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The Wall Street Journal…June 23rd…
Poor repug, you have to quote a repug rag to back up your b.s.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:53 pmGEORGE BUSH’S IRAQ WITHDRAWAL PLAN:
“Let the next president handle my mess!”
June 29th, 2009 at 7:55 pmWhen international events happen, I look to international news. The BBC seems to think “leaving the cities” is a positive step though acknowledges the natural apprehension. And the story is even short enough for trolls to read.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8125547.stm
June 29th, 2009 at 7:56 pmI am constantly amazed at the vicious and war-like rhetoric oozing out of the Cheetohs chompers from the repiggie ranks.
One would think that these chubsters would want to fulfill their personal Rambo fantasies. They all know that war is like so utterly cool, dude, because they are so busy with their gaming in between blog posts.
Come on, repiggies. Let’s get those lard butts down to the recruiting center.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:56 pmThe Global War on Terror awaits your utter genius.
FreeMarketLiberal Says:
Waaa Waa Waaa…War is terrible but Fed Slavery is great! This new energy bill will make us energy independent! All cargo ships, boats, semi trucks, jets, planes will have their own little solar panel and wind turbine…all jobs are fed jobs and we work to pay the fed back. Far left ideology is wonderful for all to achieve Social Utopia even if we will all be slaves to the fed!
Shut up and pay your taxes like an American, you ungrateful little coward.
June 29th, 2009 at 7:58 pmFreeMarketLiberal Says:
Take a hike dumb one. Your simple minded genius bores the hell out of me. Get an education and stop repeating Sean insannity the drop out.
“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance – that principle is contempt prior to investigation”
Herbert Spencer
June 29th, 2009 at 8:00 pmFreeMarketLiberal Says:
That is the rhetoric I see on this Democratic funded CAP..more like CRAP blog.
You know, no one is holding your hand to the fire. You do have the freedom to go away and read your own agendas. Whenever a show comes onto the TV that I don’t like…I change the channel.
The remote’s in your hands. Change the channel.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:01 pmWe have a repiggie troll gurgling nonsense right now.
The Battle of the Taliban needs their grit, their determination, their massive testosterone level. They could show all of us progressive wusses that they are 100% manly men, and capable of taking the situation in hand. The fact that Bin Laden has not yet been apprehended illustrates the great need for their special talents in all matter military.
So why are they waiting? Why aren’t they enlisting?
The repiggie trolls are probably just wanting us to beg them a bit more to enlist for military service. They certainly do play hard to get.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:03 pmFreeMarketdolt. How would a pussy like you know what war is like? You don’t have a clue, if you did, you would never had made a sad joke about it. You pussy have no idea what terrible is, but I don’t expect someone like you, who has the brain of a fence post to understand.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:04 pmI can always spot the liberal in any of my classes. Its the dorky nerd with no friends that thinks hes smart for some reason. They wear all the newest ” fasion ” crap they see on the MTV or any other libtard media form. What a pathetic embarassment it must be.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:07 pmIs this stupid troll Alex Jones? The Stormfront guy? It sure reminds me of a video I saw where he was running around the studio and blurting out all the stuff that panics him.
Alex, if that’s you, there are medications that can help with your feelings of fear, anxiety, panic, and paranoia. There’s really no need to suffer.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:07 pmOur young repiggie should not concern himself with fashion.
His own fashion statement should include a military uniform.
You support this stuff; go fight it.
Otherwise, shut your pie-hole.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:10 pmThe Young Republican Says:
I can always spot the liberal in any of my classes. Its the dorky nerd with no friends that thinks hes smart for some reason. They wear all the newest ” fasion ” crap they see on the MTV or any other libtard media form. What a pathetic embarassment it must be.
I dunno. It sure beats thinking one looks intelligent by posting anonymously on a website for liberals.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:10 pmThe Young Republican Says:
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I can always spot the liberal in any of my classes. Its the dorky nerd with no friends that thinks hes smart for some reason. They wear all the newest ” fasion ” crap they see on the MTV or any other libtard media form. What a pathetic embarassment it must be.
Maybe it will get better for you when you start the 9th grade this fall.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:10 pmAnd I can always spot the ignorant punk kid among trolls. It would be best to be off the tit for more than a few years to begin thinking of matching wits with one’s elders.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:11 pmlittleyoungrepug, you didn’t answer my post#75. Whats holding you back? You’re country needs you to sign up and fight for the country you love. When are going to sign up?
June 29th, 2009 at 8:11 pmHaving been there 4 times since 2003, I fear that it’s only a matter of time till we are back there in FULL force. A minority of Iraqis want “freedom”, but their system of “Church over state” will never allow. it. It will be a reapeat of the Taliban taking over Afghanistan in 10 years, I fear.
And to whoever said “Maybe Obama will send our troops home!”, I say wishful thinking. Everyone is now being diverted to Afghanistan, or other middle eastern bases. Our deployment rate will not slow down at all in my forseeable future. (5 years till retirement, baby!)
June 29th, 2009 at 8:11 pmWho has said that getting rid of ALL vehicles that use fossil fuels will happen? Huh dumbass? WE’RE TRYING TO REDUCE OUR DEPENDENCE ON IT AND NO ONE HAS EVER SAID THAT AN AIRPLANE COULD MAKE IT ACROSS THE OCEAN USING WIND TURBINES, SOLAR PANELS, OR WATER TECHNOLOGY!
Man, you neocons listen with your fingers in your ears and see with your hands over your eyes. You’re truly ridiculous and stupid. You prove it every time you type something online.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:13 pmWhen I think about all our troops returning with permanent disabilities – brain damage, missing limbs and PTSD I want Bush and Cheney locked up for life.
Young Republican sounds like a social reject – that’s why ‘it’ can describe what one is like so well.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:14 pmYou have 5 years left and then you’ll retire? Well, to save your own life so you can make it to your retirement, do not vote for the republican in the next presidential election, ‘kay?
June 29th, 2009 at 8:15 pmHaving been there 4 times since 2003, I fear that it’s only a matter of time till we are back there in FULL force.
This tp post is purely propaganda. You can see how small the crowd is. 50-60 people.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:15 pmI can spot a neocon a mile away:
DROOLING DOWN HIS NECK, WALKS WITH HIS KNUCKLES DRAGGING ON THE GROUND, AND MUMBLES TO HIMSELF AS HE FUMBLES WITH HIS ZIPPER, ‘I wuv Boosh. I wuv Saaaarah. I wuv Jeeebus”.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:16 pmThe young repiggie has been spoonfed all sorts of socio-political crap at Sunday School. He just can’t get his little brain around the situation of so many good intelligent people who hold the opposite view.
All that stuff coming from the repiggie trolls on this blog is the crap that is spewed 24/7 by the dominionist evangelical neanderthals.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:16 pmCraig Mack Says: Brother I hope you are wrong about Iraq. It will be alot harder to go back in, if Iraq falls off the cliff. I hope Obama unlike bush isn’t expecting a democratic country in our mold. The best we can hope for is a stable Iraq.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:18 pmKay, I don’t want to be the one to break a stereotype here, but not everybody in the military votes Republican. I don’t post on here very often, but if you review my history you’ll see that I am no right-winger. And regardless of who is in charge, I’ll do my duty, and still be happy to retire and spend some QT with my family!
June 29th, 2009 at 8:19 pmRepublicans Love Facts Says:
This tp post is purely propaganda. You can see how small the crowd is. 50-60 people.
You are such a tool. How about this crowd?
June 29th, 2009 at 8:19 pmOh yeah, the treasures of Iraq! I don’t know if I could find the link, and I don’t have time right now; but when the Baghdad museum was looted right in front on our troops, I read that the objects that were smashed were replicas of pieces that were in other museums around the world. Bet your bottom dollar, the hit was planned before the invasion. Priceless treasures from the cradle of humankind’s civilization are sitting in the vaults of the prime actors in this invasion. I think we have a good idea who most of them are.
Return Iraq’s treasures! Hard as you dickish-twatwaffles try you cannot erase our histories.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:20 pmRepugLovesBS, you could leave, and then we would have one less. We could live with that.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:20 pm“Republican”, you can kiss my sand-covered ass. While punks like you post on these boards, me and my brothers and sisters will make sure you have the right to do so, while holding back our vomit while thinking of you.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:21 pmcap quack, tp ‘authors’ a post claiming all of iraq wants us gone and I’m the moron?
June 29th, 2009 at 8:22 pmwldj Says at #43
Some words just don’t make it ‘ast the filter — try re-reading your post and then splitting up any word that may be at fault (i.e. a-nalyst)
June 29th, 2009 at 8:24 pmIraqis jubilantly celebrate U.S. troop withdrawal.
Pure propaganda.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:25 pmRepugLovesBS, you are a moron, and there really isn’t anything else to say.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:25 pmYes, I know that silly, but if you want to reach your retirement, then NOT voting for a republican would be your best bet in reaching that goal!
June 29th, 2009 at 8:25 pmFURTHER EXPLANATION: President Obama doesn’t believe in pre-emptive wars, war in general, and is trying to get you soldiers home in a reasonable, safe manor. If Sarah Palin is put in the White House in 2012, you most definitely will be dead within 2 months and will never ever be able to reach or enjoy your retirement! See? LOL
Wiley, have you ever heard of “Rules of Engagement”? When I first went there ours were as follows:
Let Iraqis handle Iraqi problems
If it isn’t putting you or your team in immediate danger, it’s not you concern
As far as the Iraqi museums, I wasn’t there to see it, but I can assume those standing post there had similiar orders.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:25 pmRepublicans Love Facts Says:
You’re so funny.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:26 pmRepublicans Love Facts Says:
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Having been there 4 times since 2003, I fear that it’s only a matter of time till we are back there in FULL force.
This tp post is purely propaganda. You can see how small the crowd is. 50-60 people
You’ve got it wrong again lunatic fringenut! Bush and Cheney fed propagandist lies about the Iraq War to Americans. Dumba$$es like you gobbled it up!
June 29th, 2009 at 8:26 pmAccording to the right wing neck drooling knuckle draggers above, if China invaded America…we would be thrilled and wouldn’t celebrate when they left our country after occupying it for seven years. See? The neocons would believe America is too weak to take care of itself without the help of China.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:27 pmCan’t read the article? Yep. It never says “all of Iraq” wants anything.
Didn’t read the linked articles? Yep. From the NY Times:
American and Iraqi officials acknowledge the risks — to Mr. Maliki’s political position and to Iraqis’ safety.
So? It appears that this stupid troll can’t/won’t read the articles it’s commenting about. FAIL!
June 29th, 2009 at 8:28 pmYes, I know that silly, but if you want to reach your retirement, then NOT voting for a republican would be your best bet in reaching that goal!
“I’ll immediately withdraw all troops from Iraq!” obama 08
June 29th, 2009 at 8:29 pmCraig Mack, here’s wishing you a safe return home when you retire. Who knows, maybe will down a couple of beers at the VFW. God Speed Brother.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:29 pmRepublicans Love Facts Says:
“I’ll immediately withdraw all troops from Iraq!” obama 08
False quotes are so funny.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:31 pmThere you go again….listening to President Obama with your fingers in your ears. HE SAID HE WOULD START THE PROCESS (EXECUTIVE ORDER) WHICH HE DID RIGHT OFF THE BAT….AND THEN SAID IT WOULD TAKE 16 MONTHS TO COMPLETE! Bob Gates agrees with the plan as do the Iraqis. JUNE 30TH (tomorrow here, but already happening in Iraq right now hence the celebrations!) IS WHEN THE WITHDRAWAL WOULD HAPPEN. As noted above, our soldiers are going to safe zones and are not actually withdrawing from the country, but what President Obama & Gates are doing is HAVING THEM SLOWLY BACK OUT OF THE COUNTRY AND LOOKING FORWARD TO MAKE SURE THE IRAQIS ARE DOING OKAY!
Idiot. How do you not hear any of this? Oh wait! *pointing at your fingers in your ears*
June 29th, 2009 at 8:32 pmObama calls for withdrawal of troops from Iraq RAW STORY
Published: Wednesday September 12, 2007
Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) will call for the withdrawal of all US troops from Iraq in Iowa today.
Excerpts follow.
“Let me be clear: There is no military solution in Iraq and there never was,” he will say, according to advance remarks from the speech. “The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq’s leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year – now.”
June 29th, 2009 at 8:35 pmSo…that direct quote didn’t appear in that citation? That’s SO FUNNY!
“The comic stylings of RLF are so funny. Funnier than Glenn Beck!” Purple State 2009.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:38 pmRepublicans pull “facts” & “quotes” out of their arses.
Democrats listen, absorb, and repeat truths.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:38 pmAhhhh, somebody needs a hug. If your parents didn’t hate you, you could have gone to one of them. Looks like you will have to satisfied in the arms of your special air filled friend. :-O
June 29th, 2009 at 8:38 pmWHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.
According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.
“He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington,” Zebari said in an interview.
Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops – and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its “state of weakness and political confusion.”
“However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open.” Zebari says.
Though Obama claims the US presence is “illegal,” he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the “weakened Bush administration,” Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:42 pmWhere did you copy & paste that from Republican Lack Facts?
June 29th, 2009 at 8:43 pmRepublicans Love Plagiarism.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:44 pmActually, it wasn’t by EO as I said above. Here’s President Obama’s statement in February 2009 about Iraq withdrawal:
June 29th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
We can give out an award for senseless son sequitur of the day?
June 29th, 2009 at 8:48 pmYou were saying, neocon?
June 29th, 2009 at 8:49 pmImpractical. Too many entries to review when Repblicans Love Plagiarism and The Young Republican are here slinging crap.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:50 pmI suppose you’re right, ralph. But our stupid pet trolls are performing so far above their usual game in this thread that they deserve a little recognition.
There are several thousand wire stories about the celebrations in Iraq, just in English, and the poor little trolls are trying to say it’s bad. You can damn well bet they would have been singing a different tune if their boy had managed to pull this off last June.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:55 pmBest of luck, Iraq. I hope things work out well for you.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:58 pmIt never ceases to amaze me that wingnuts are so quick to accuse others of propaganda when they have borrowed so heavily from nazi style propaganda themselves.
I never understood why Nazis were so heartless and uncaring. I think it was because of the propaganda they were fed. We can see the same behavior from the fascist Republican Party.
We must never allow fascist Republicans to control the United States of America.
June 29th, 2009 at 9:10 pmCan you imagine the celebration in the streets of the United States when the Republican Party announces that it can no longer function as an American political party because no one wants to be Republican anymore.
This celebration is coming and when it comes, I am going to party like it’s 1999.
June 29th, 2009 at 9:14 pmI thought the Iraqis were supposed to look upon us as liberators when we got there, not when we’re leaving. Man, I can’t believe the GOP lied to us…
June 29th, 2009 at 9:26 pmI hope it works. Nobody has been able to control ethnic unrest in Iraq without resorting to brutal dictatorial ways (ie. like what Saddam did).
June 29th, 2009 at 9:30 pmGee, “rules of engagement”, “rules of engagement”…in my four years in the military or my 28 years since, have I ever heard of the rules of engagement?
Duh.
The occupying nation has duties and responsibilities as an occupying nation. I don’t blame the troops, they were just doing what they were told to do like good soldiers do. I was a good soldier myself. I blame the administration and the Pentagon. Plans for securing the national treasures of Iraq should have been in place before the starting gun was fired, and they should have been carried out from the top down—that being the way the military works, and all. I’m sure you’ve heard of it.
June 29th, 2009 at 9:59 pmOne part of the invasion of Iraq I will never understand is the evilness of the Bush crime family enthusiastically presenting Shock and Awe and for all to see on TV knowing full well it was not about WMD, but oil. How can one get enjoyment over watching 4000 bombs being dropped on Baghdad in a 48 hr period of time, a war torn population and half under the age of 16 years old.
June 29th, 2009 at 10:00 pm?????? ???????? ??????
Will this work?
June 29th, 2009 at 10:02 pmNope. Anyway peace and goodwill in English and Arabic. I’m going to get some beer and drink to better times.
June 29th, 2009 at 10:03 pmI always felt sorry for young republicans when I was… young.
Then I met a few.
June 29th, 2009 at 10:54 pmGreat. Now we’ll get to watch as a lot of the stuff we’ve built, repaired and maintained for 6 years gets trashed, stolen, and used to strengthen the positions of the country’s religious and ethnic factions, in preparation for the coming power struggle for control of the oil.
At least we’ll soon be scaling back our 12 billion dollar a month commitment to a saner level of expediture.
June 29th, 2009 at 10:55 pmGreat news! Thank you President Obama and all the many
June 29th, 2009 at 11:02 pmDemocrats and other people who are helping bring this wrongful war to an end.
we are not about to leave all that oil.
we are only moving from the cities.
we are building 67 bases in iraq
who are the bigger fools the americans for thinking we are leaving or the iraqis.
my money is on the americans judging from many of these comments.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:04 pmFREEMARKETREPIGGIE certainly does RAOTFLMAO an awful lot.
So do I whenever I skim over his crap.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:06 pmJune 12 is the Phillippine Independence Day from the US.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:09 pmOh my! There seems to be a lot of ignorance and fear going around. It’s a misconception to think of Iraq as a nation of primitives. By the standards of the area, even under Saddam, they are a healthy, wealthy, educated people. Or they were until we bombed the crap out of the place for no good reason.
They also happen to be the descendants of the people who invented civilization and some families can trace their lineage to before the written word was invented. To them, we are the “primitives” and our recent acts have only confirmed it.
Even to the tribal people of Iraq, and Afghanistan for that matter, we’re just another in a long line of failed invaders. And they will put aside their disputes to expel foreign invaders no matter what. Then they’ll return to settling disputes amongst themselves. They’ve been doing that since before the written word too.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:17 pmThe cheap oil never happened and never will. The fact is that it’s cheaper to buy it, without even mentioning conserving it, than it is to seize it at gunpoint. If Chimpy had earned that MBA he would have known that.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:21 pmOh, yes. All we did for the people of Iraq.
“We”
bombed these people who were no threat, whatsoever, to any nation on the basis lies, using “faulty intelligence” as justification
bombed and strafed people in their cities and in their homes, for forty days and forty nights, then continued to bomb regularly during five years of occupation because we didn’t want the death toll of American troops to make the war “unpopular”
fired missiles and dropped cluster bombs into populated areas in a country in which half the population was under the age of 15
destroyed energy grids, communications centers, and water systems
made it necessary for countless Iraqis to have amputations without anesthesia or antibiotics
turned children into pink mists
looted the national treasures that had been coddled for thousands of years in that region
didn’t bother to count the Iraqi dead
shot entire families dead and incinerated them at improvised roadblocks
we fired 200 tons of depleted uranium throughout the country and in the cities, poisoning them for all of human time
increased the number of cancers and birth defects
so poisoned women with depleted uranium that they were giving birth to sacks of mutant flesh that struggled for 15 to 30 minutes then mercifully died
installed wealthy Iraqi businessmen who hadn’t lived in Iraq for years to be the new leaders
closed down newspapers and complained that Al Jazeera should be shut down because they show films of actual events
belied democracy at every turn.
had tanks going door to door, terrifying families, arresting the males indiscriminately and stealing the families savings in gold because they didn’t understand how these “poor” people could have savings
provided little medical care
failed to restore utilities in a year‘s time, because the U.S. did not hire and appoint Iraqi engineers and managers to restore the system
hired Halliburton and mercenaries, instead
hired mercenaries who shot into crowds in peaceful protest
closed down a hospital before attacking the residents of Fallujah
had snipers shooting at women and children in Fallujah
kicked down mosque doors while being offered keys
strafed cities to kill “insurgents”
brought Iraq to its knees with 12 years of grueling economic sanctions and regular U.S. bombing before the invasion
attacked a nation that was no threat to anyone to lay claim to the oil that the entire nation was using to buy food
June 29th, 2009 at 11:31 pmThe cheap oil never happened and never will. The fact is that it’s cheaper to buy it, without even mentioning conserving it, than it is to seize it at gunpoint. If Chimpy had earned that MBA he would have known that.
That’s correct. They have to sell it to someone.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:40 pmBush & Cheney brought shame on our country!
June 29th, 2009 at 11:46 pmI’ll be really celebrating when the last American soldier not on embassy duty di mau di’s the fukc out of there.
June 29th, 2009 at 11:53 pmIt’s not cheaper for him. That spike in oil prices was a windfall for the—it.
Ever notice that W. was the governor of Texas, and Jeb the governor of Florida? Ever notice that they flanked the family’s reserve in the Gulf of Mexico as if the world were there own private game of Risk?
June 30th, 2009 at 12:11 amThank goodness for this. I join them in this celebration.
As the last of the troops leave Iraq, we need to issue a formal apology for invading their country.
June 30th, 2009 at 12:46 amThe Young Republican Says:
Vietnam 2009. All those troops died for nothing because the wimpy demokrauts are cutting and running again.
If we kept fighting, would a reason for all of those deaths appear? How long would it take? Would we find a good reason for having invaded if we stayed there another ten years? Twenty? Fifty? A hundred? What could such a reason possibly be, if it never existed in the first place?
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Alejandro Says:
So does this mean that the next “emergency” supplemental to the budget will only be $100 billion?
Obama put the Iraq war on-book, which is why his budget numbers look almost as big as Bush’s.
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Republicans Love Facts Says:
What happened when Democrats in Congress cut off funding for the Vietnam War?
Who voted against funding Iraq this year? Hint: it weren’t the Dems…
The simple fact that everyone took away as a lesson from Vietnam is that a President shouldn’t start a war if he doesn’t have an exit strategy. I remember thirty years of pundits since then saying with every armed conflict, “What’s the exit strategy? No responsible President can send troops without having an exit strategy” etc… Until now. Iraq had no exit strategy, for the first time since Vietnam. That’s Bush’s mistake, and yours for cheering him on.
Without an exit strategy from the start – without a goal for being there – there’s no way to leave without you seeing it as a loss. Saddam has been defeated. We won. That was a long time ago. Now it’s time to go. Simple as that.
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Republicans Love Facts Says:
Says the terrorist defender……
Cite where anyone here has ever defended terrorists. Or put your head back up your ass where we can’t hear your bleating.
June 30th, 2009 at 12:58 amRepublicans Love Facts Says:
Iraqis jubilantly celebrate U.S. troop withdrawal.
Pure propaganda.
Citation, please?
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Republicans Love Facts Says:
“I’ll immediately withdraw all troops from Iraq!” obama 08
Citation, please?
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Republicans Love Facts Says:
WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq…
You know, it doesn’t matter in the least whether Obama’s withdrawing troops slower or faster than he promised during the campaign. He’s delivering on all that I wanted, which was to make progress on withdrawal, rather than “stay the course” because “we’re turning the corner” forever and ever and ever. I just wanted somebody to actually work on disengaging us from the region responsibly rather than delaying and stalling for two terms. With this action, we’re seeing movement in the right direction.
No amount of Obama quotes from last year negates the fact of what happened today.
June 30th, 2009 at 1:05 amRepublicans Love Facts Says:
Says the terrorist defender……
Cite where anyone here has ever defended terrorists. Or put your head back up your ass where we can’t hear your bleating
Gitmo? Ayers? Shoe Bomber? Taliban Boy from Marin County? Zarqaui? Sadaam Hussein? Fort Dix 6? On and on…..
June 30th, 2009 at 1:16 am.
Q U E S T I O N:
What does it mean for America, when another country celebrates their independence from America?
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June 30th, 2009 at 2:53 amIt means we haven’t done them any favors.
June 30th, 2009 at 2:56 amI too am glad the pull out from Iraq has started, however when I see a news article entitled “Fireworks explode over Baghdad as Iraqis assume security duty” on Yahoo news and click on it to see,..
“US military says 4 soldiers killed in Baghdad”
Followed by the following crappy written story,..
BAGHDAD – The U.S. military says that four soldiers were killed in Baghdad on the eve of the American withdrawal from Iraq’s cities.
The military says the four served with the Multi-National Division-Baghdad but did not provide further details pending notification of their families.
In a statement on Tuesday, the U.S. military said the four were died on Monday as a “result of combat related injuries.”
Iraqi forces assumed formal control of Baghdad and other cities Tuesday after American troops handed over security in urban areas in a defining step toward ending the U.S. combat role in the country. Iraq has declared June 30 as “National Sovereignty Day.”
It makes me sick.
June 30th, 2009 at 4:21 amAnd as a side note strong conservative here pointing out the BS plastered in the liberal media
The only reason I said glad the pullout has started was as an Iraqi war vet with 2 tours under my belt, I’m tiered of my fellow soldiers dieing for an ungrateful nation,..scratch that,..make that two ungrateful nations. (at least the Obamanation half)
June 30th, 2009 at 4:30 amI cant wait for the Liberals to wake up (both literally cause I’m posting late)and figuratively cause they have no clue.
After 9-11 we as a nation (yes you remember how pissed you were) chose to end the terrorist threat to the world by way of military action, Iraq was a part of that. plain and simple.
The lack of WMD discovery means absolutely nothing, they had the capacity, the means, and the will under Sadam to support Anti American terrorist activities.
Bush’s decision was not uncalled for,..It was brave. Do all you liberals think that he was unaware of how fickle the American people are?
Do you not think he knew in 7-8 months the toll war would take would out weigh the pain of 9-11 in our memories?
I’ll probably never post here again but its my true hope that you folks that have no idea what it’s like to loose friends in combat for a people that claim you are wrong in your fight will never have to expierience it for yourselves.
June 30th, 2009 at 4:52 amoh good. he’ll probably never post here again. I’m listening to Etta James. It don’t mix with the delusional.
June 30th, 2009 at 5:22 amIt doesn’t make me sick. That’s the deal when you sign up. No one should die for the enrichment of the fabulously well-to-do, but the risk is implicit when you sign up.
OVER A MILLION IRAQIS ARE DEAD. They did not threaten us. We invaded their country and bombed their cities. So we lose a few men. There have been a whole lot of desertions that we don’t generally hear about— Good for them. For those who died, welcome to the military. If you didn’t know you were a legitimate target when you signed up, then maybe you shouldn’t have survived.
June 30th, 2009 at 5:29 amThe lack of WMD discovery means absolutely nothing, they had the capacity, the means, and the will under Sadam to support Anti American terrorist activities.
No evidence will sway them. They will continue to insist there was a threat from Iraq, not matter how illogical, or implausible. If he truly served, and isn’t just a chickenhawk in military drag, this little screed can be interpreted as a feeble and futile attempt at washing the blood of the innocents from his hands. Sorry, but you have to live with those consequences, now that the troops are coming home. And when Iraq becomes embroiled in internecine war, you will know that the blood of innocents killed in that struggle will also be on your hands.
June 30th, 2009 at 7:58 amThe Young Republican Says:
You don’t have to serve to support the war you stupid turd
This was way up the list, but MY service compells me to comment:
YES. You DO have to SERVE in order to SUPPORT the WAR you cheerlead for, unless YOU have some specific disability that keeps you from serving.
Otherwise you are nothing but a coward who is glad to have others die for a cause in your name, while you cringe at home.
F#UCK OFF, YOU CHICKENHAWK POS.
June 30th, 2009 at 8:32 amThe lack of WMD discovery means absolutely nothing, they had the capacity, the means, and the will under Sadam to support Anti American terrorist activities.
Another unhinged wingnut wrapped in the flag and 9/11.
It is very simple, wingnut. If WMDs or precursors had been found, we wouldn’t be discussing the topic; the Chimperor would have had some saving grace instead of his legacy as an utter failure, both in domestic and international policy.
So it is too for every single jackass who bought and repeated the WMDs lies, and for those who continue to shit their diapers at the thought of “MUSLIMS”
Wingnut, do yourself a favor and stay at FReeperville.
Post your rants there about the Obamanation
They will be more than happy to try to delete them when you actually break down and pull a McVeigh.
BTW, sick phuck, Why do you hate America and Democracy?
June 30th, 2009 at 8:35 amScoutSSG Says: A bunch of propogandistic crap.
I’ll probably never post here again
No loss.
but its my true hope that you folks that have no idea what it’s like to loose friends in combat for a people that claim you are wrong
You presume WAY too much, boy.
WAY too much.
June 30th, 2009 at 8:36 am#187 Post
Don’t post again and especially since you are a keyboard warrior. You are a poser through and through. Get back to the Red State and all those POS.
June 30th, 2009 at 9:30 amHow long before the Fox entertainment channel or Darth Cheney twists this around to say “See, the Iraqi’s are celebrating their new democracy, thanks to us.”
Or they will call the Iraqi people ungrateful bastards after all we did for them, like bomb their country back to the stone age, killed over 150,000 of their people while displacing millions more, Wow, they really are ungrateful bastards!
June 30th, 2009 at 10:28 amRepublicans Love Facts Says:
Gitmo? Ayers? Shoe Bomber? Taliban Boy from Marin County? Zarqaui? Sadaam Hussein? Fort Dix 6? On and on…..
Nobody here ever supported any terrorists, either the ones you’ve listed or any others. By “citation” I mean “link to a site showing an example of a liberal actually supporting or defending a terrorist.”
You are profoundly stupid, you know that?
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ScoutSSG Says:
..make that two ungrateful nations. (at least the Obamanation half)
You mean the half that supports veterans’ benefits, as opposed to chickenhawks like yourself, who don’t? Quit parade your fake love for “the troops” around, we all know how little it means. Chickenhawks “love” soldiers the same way that cultists “love” their sacrifice just before it is slaughtered in the name of their blood god. In fact, I’d say it’s exactly the same.
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ScoutSSG Says:
After 9-11 we as a nation (yes you remember how pissed you were) chose to end the terrorist threat to the world by way of military action, Iraq was a part of that. plain and simple.
Iraq had no connections to terrorism or 9/11. Plain and simple. To say otherwise gets into the sort of complexity generated by lying to people.
You know that is a lie. You know it.
It’s been thoroughly documented; no one in the public sphere, not even Bush, stands behind that lie when pressed on it. So how can you dare to come in here and tell us that “Iraq was a part of” the GWOT, “plain and simple?” Are you lying to yourself, or just us?
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ScoutSSG Says:
The lack of WMD discovery means absolutely nothing, they had the capacity, the means, and the will under Sadam to support Anti American terrorist activities.
Capacity: No capacity was discovered either.
Means: No means were discovered either.
Will: There’s no way to prove that and no reason to think that.
To recap – wrong, wrong, and wrong. As usual.
Furthermore, the notion that Saddam would give WMD’s to Al-Qaeda is laughable on the face of it, provided you know anything beyond “them brown folks shore don’t like us.” Saddam was a secular dictator; Al-Qaeda was a revolutionary religious group. They hated each other as much or more than either hated us.
The reason you don’t know that is because of your intentional ignorance. At some point, you chose not to know any facts about the situation that might interfere with your sports-team cheerleading for war and oppression. While I’m sure it’s been tremendously comfortable for you to never find anything out that challenges the little action movie script you have playing in your head, eventually reality is going to have to intrude on it, because the rest of the world is moving on. The people and policies you champion are evil monsters who have defied the the principles that the U.S.A. was founded on, as well as all universal standards of human decency, all for nothing. Most of the people we’ve killed, detained and tortured were innocent bystanders. There was no reason to do any of it in Iraq. And you – yes you, Mr. war cheerleader – are responsible for all of those unneccessary acts of slaughter and brutality.
You have chosen to be a murderous imbecile and a traitor to everything that the founding fathers of the U.S.A. meant it to stand for. As such, I can’t imagine why you would still think that the opinion of such treasonous moral filth as yourself should hold any weight anywhere. At least be ashamed enough to keep your Goddamned yap shut in polite society.
June 30th, 2009 at 10:51 amI have spent a tour in Iraq and returned from there last June. I just have a couple questions for you. Where is all the oil we got from Iraq? Cuz I’m still paying crazy gas prices. I spent a year there and I never saw any of us drilling for oil. I never went on any oil “stealing” missions. Keep making excuses for why we are there. I actually went there and saw what it was like. Believe what you want because thats what I fight for. Freedom is what gives you the right to speak what you want. I hate hearing some of the things the libs say when I’m out serving our country but thats why I’m serving and they are at home complaining. Thats what they do best. Thanks for saying you all support the troops but maybe a little action to back up your words would make things more convincing. Feel free to smeer me with grammer issues. Make fun of me for whatever you want or demean me if you feel like it. I know what I’ve seen and you can’t change that.
June 30th, 2009 at 10:51 amryant, I appreciate your service, sincerely. But just because you don’t see something doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. And by the way, I am a liberal AND a veteran – it is a sad fact that our military personnel are sometimes called on to give their lives for their country, but I can’t support sacrficing the lives of good people to advance the politics and greed of people like Dick Cheney, who had “better things to do” when he was of age to serve.
June 30th, 2009 at 11:09 amBTW, sick phuck, Why do you hate America and Democracy
Is this how progressives support our troops? Must be.
June 30th, 2009 at 11:12 amWe will see how long this lasts. Just wait until the bombing increase and the number of people getting killed increases and ‘their’ police force is not able to stop it.
June 30th, 2009 at 11:27 amWe should have never been there in the first place.
ryant430 Says:
I have spent a tour in Iraq and returned from there last June.
I just have a couple questions for you. Where is all the oil we got from Iraq? Cuz I’m still paying crazy gas prices. I spent a year there and I never saw any of us drilling for oil.
Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids! And cheap oil was never for you: it was cheap oil for the oil companies.
“Foreign companies could soon be pumping Iraqi oil for the first time in nearly 40 years. On Tuesday, the government of Iraq opened bids from oil companies interested in helping the country realize its oil production potential.”
I’m sure Big Oil will eventually thank you for your services, though not by lowering oil prices.
June 30th, 2009 at 12:24 pmArn Gunnutes – I agree with you on the basis that if I was sent to war under lies that I would be angry. But I don’t feel as though I was sent there under false pretense. I also don’t make the calls and have to follow orders and trust that those in leadership above me are making the right calls. Mistakes are made in every war and reasonable doubt and facts will always change as to why it happened and how it happened. Also If I don’t follow those orders I get pinned as the one causing the problems so in some cases its a lose/lose situation. I don’t believe all Libs are wrong or “bad” people. I also don’t believe all conservatives are good or right either. I try to stick with my own personal opinions. I believe we have done several good things for the people of Iraq. I know cuz I have seen those things. Providing food and clean water. Teaching them classes on health and hygiene. How to check for breast cancer etc…Working with Iraqi Army and Police. They are genuinely very sincere people. I feel even if we may have been there for the wrong reasons or even if things fall apart immediately after we leave. What I saw happen while I was there was worth it. I lost friends while I was there as well. None of those men would say they died in vain. They believed in what they were doing there. The only thing that truly angers me is those that try to blame soldiers with the loss of innocent lives. Every conflict has this happen and none of us want it. Those things just happen. I don’t know if blaming an administration we voted into office at the time is also wise.
June 30th, 2009 at 12:45 pmryant430 Says:
I have spent a tour in Iraq and returned from there last June.
1. Many people who disagree with you have served.
2. I don’t necessarily believe your personal claim to special knowledge, so don’t rely on it.
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ryant430 Says:
Thanks for saying you all support the troops but maybe a little action to back up your words would make things more convincing.
Like say, veterans’ benefits? Or ending an unneccessary war that was started based on lies? Next election, take a look at who the IAVA endorses before bloviating about liberals – it was Dems nearly across the board last year.
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ryant430 Says:
But I don’t feel as though I was sent there under false pretense.
You don’t “feel” matters of fact, they are simply facts.
Saddam had no WMD capability. Saddam had no ties to terrorists. The rumors collected by the CIA saying otherwise were intentionally picked out of the big intel pile and then “pipelined” past CIA analysts who could have found them false, directly to the office of the Vice President. The summary conclusion that Saddam had WMD’s – Tenet’s “slam dunk” – was backed by no credible evidence whatsoever, and everyone in the White House was or should have been aware of that.
This is all a matter of public record. You can “feel” otherwise all you want, but that doesn’t change what the facts are.
You were sent there under false pretenses, regardless of whether you “feel” that to be the case or not.
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ryant430 Says:
I believe we have done several good things for the people of Iraq. I know cuz I have seen those things. Providing food and clean water. Teaching them classes on health and hygiene. How to check for breast cancer etc…Working with Iraqi Army and Police. They are genuinely very sincere people. I feel even if we may have been there for the wrong reasons or even if things fall apart immediately after we leave. What I saw happen while I was there was worth it. I lost friends while I was there as well. None of those men would say they died in vain.
Nobody here’s saying that soldiers haven’t done good things, and nobody here is blaming the soldiers for the orders they followed (except for certain cases such as Abu Ghraib where their orders were in blatant violation of military ethical standards).
But we, the citizens of the U.S.A. are holding the elected officials who work for us accountable for the choice they made to send our soldiers to an unneccessary and unjust war. That is our right. We’re not blaming the troops, we’re blaming the President. There is a difference. Unfortunately, no matter how well the soldiers do their jobs there, and no matter how much good they might do to offset the masive collateral damage, that still won’t create a justification for Bush’s choice to have started the war in the first place.
Such a choice can’t be written off as a mere “mistake.” The very concept of responsibility is that at high enough levels of power, it shouldn’t matter whether something was intentional malfeasance or an honest error. The number of dead and dying are the same either way, and therefore one should be more careful. To be such an idiot in the first place and to run for the Presidency anyways, is as much of a moral crime as using the Presidency to kill large numbers of people on purpose. That’s how responsibility works.
All they had to do was turn over Tenet’s cover page and look at the underlying evidence. All they had to do was ask “what’s the intel data on this?” It would have taken just a few hours to go over the collected evidence and analysis (plus actually deciding to have the data analyzed in the first place) to come to the conclusion that there wasn’t any credible proof that Saddam had either WMD’s or ties to Al Qaeda. But Bush and everybody else in the White House intentionally chose not to look too closely at that report, chose not to flip over the summary page to see that all of the rest was effectively blank.
Look, it’s a good thing that we have soldiers who follow orders. That’s great, and within broad boundaries of basic decency, I don’t blame soldiers for carrying out any orders given to them. But in order to continue to have an effective military, there’s a basic unspoken two-way deal that the civilian who controls the military should only use them for necessary and important purposes. When the President violates that deal (as in Vietnam and Iraq) then we’re left with an outraged citizenry, as well as many veterans being mentally scarred for life. They’re not scarred because the citizens were outraged at the war, they’re scarred for the same reason that the citizens were outraged at the war: it was unjust to begin with.
It looks like you’re dealing with that problem by denial. And if you have to tell yourself for the rest of your life that it was OK for Bush to send you there, then that’s your thing and good luck with it, though I’d prefer you stop trying to convince me. But not all veterans are going to be able to manage your mental trick of refusing to admit what they know to be true, or as you put it, “feeling” otherwise. For many more, legal justice against the perpetrators of that crime will be the only way to find closure, to prove to them that America is really a good place in the final analysis.
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ryant430 Says:
I don’t know if blaming an administration we voted into office at the time is also wise.
Why not? Who else are we to blame? If some of that blame lands on ourselves as well, then so be it. Maybe we’ll learn something before there’s a next time.
June 30th, 2009 at 1:29 pmI’m not trying to say I had specail knowledge of anything other than hands on experience. I agree with you on many things and I’m not tying to convince you of anything else. My feelings may be based on something that was wrong. Its hard to change how you personally feel about something and I may change how I feel later on in life. “Facts” may be more logical but lets face it we all have things in our lives that are proven wrong or untrue but we still don’t change our opinion. One of my close friends that served with me overseas believed the exact opposite of me as to why we where there. So, I also agree wih you on your point that people who disagree with why we are there also serve. This is a debate that can’t be “won”. Sharing personal beliefs and facts allows people to view things from the other side. In the long run minds will be changed and new opinions formed but they just don’t happen overnight. I’m glad we are pulling out of the bigger cities and cutting down operations. So don’t misunderstand my excitment. Its only human nature to point blame at something other than ourselves especailly when the fault appears to be on them.
June 30th, 2009 at 2:00 pmAnd to think some people said there would never be a victory parade…
June 30th, 2009 at 2:41 pmElBruce Says: ScoutSSG has no clue
Well here are a couple of facts to support my statement.
Capacity: Iraqi aircraft shelled Halabja with chemical weapons on 16 March 1988, in an attack which left 5,000 dead and 7,000 injured or with long-term illnesses. Reason, Anti government sentiment directed towards the regime of Saddam Husein and a desire to establish a Kurdish state in northern Iraq.
Means: Iraqi missile technology, and I personally saw components of these (most had been destroyed long before my arrival but the pieces remained)
Designations Range
Ababil-100 100 km
Al-Samoud 150 km
Scud-B 300 km
Al Fahd 300 300 km
Al Fahd 500 500 km
Al Hussein 600 km
Al Hijarah 750 km
Al Abbas 900 km
Badr-2000 2,000km
Tammuz-1 2,000 km
Will: Saddam Hussein, the president of Iraq from 1979 until 2003, had gained international notoriety for torturing and murdering thousands of his own people. Hussein believed he ruled with an iron fist to keep his country, divided by ethnicity and religion, intact. However, his actions bespeak a tyrannical despot who stopped at nothing to punish those who opposed him.
Combined with strong Anti American sentiment. This created a danger to the security of the United States on the heels of the 9-11 attacks were many in the region were scrambling to find ways to support the new war on “the great Satan” as a way of gaining power, favor, and stature amongst the large extremist portions of their populations.
Thousands of foreign insurgents pored into Iraq for an opportunity to fight the “great Satan”.
I suppose they would have remained in there homes and taken no action to kill Americans anywhere in the world (including your local shopping center)
You can continue to sit on your moral high ground and flame those of us who actually had the balls to fight them in their region of the world, so you could take your kids shopping without having to expose them to the mall cops and airport cops carrying machine guns. (like they must endure in Israel and Europe)
So sorry for my chicken hawk, war movie view of the world but real life experiences have tainted my opinions.
Ohh and read the news today? I’d say the extremists have killed more innocent Iraqi’s then we ever did.
June 30th, 2009 at 3:04 pmFirst of all, I acknowledge that unlike many trolls here, you’re debating with facts on your side and having first-hand experience.
ScoutSSG Says:
Capacity: Iraqi aircraft shelled Halabja with chemical weapons on 16 March 1988.
20 years ago. Or 15 years before the US invasion of Iraq.
Means: Iraqi missile technology, and I personally saw components of these (most had been destroyed long before my arrival but the pieces remained)
None of which could reach the US, could they? You could be honest and say that you were fighting on behalf of Israel, an american ally, but don’t bring up these missiles and then speak of mall cops and airport guards.
Will: Saddam Hussein, the president of Iraq from 1979 until 2003, had gained international notoriety for torturing and murdering thousands of his own people. Hussein believed he ruled with an iron fist to keep his country, divided by ethnicity and religion, intact. However, his actions bespeak a tyrannical despot who stopped at nothing to punish those who opposed him.
We all agree that he was a tyrant and a despot. No one has claimed that he was a nice guy or a decent fellow. But let’s look at the math here: there have been hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, since the invasion. So it looks like a case of “burning the village in order to save it”.
And about the thousands of insurgents? None of them would have ever shown their faces in Iraq if the US hadn’t invaded. It’s a matter of public record that Saddam Hussein never considered Al-Qaeda an ally, and (some wingnut fantasies notwithstanding) he never had any kind of agreement with them.
June 30th, 2009 at 4:50 pmseslichat
June 30th, 2009 at 7:04 pmseslichat paneli
Luis Chapulin M makes a good point.
I appreciate a logical argument, after all were all Americans here (I think)
But this,..
See friend that’s exactly my point. Had we not gone on the offensive in Iraq, in that region of the world those thousands of insurgents, riding the wave of “Hell ya! we just struck a blow to the great Satan!” would have,..guaranteed,..found a way to follow up in some way shape form with an attack on American civilians somewhere in the world to include our own soil possibly.
But thanks for the civil response
July 1st, 2009 at 6:08 amArn Gunnutes: Uses to much bold lettering i can read the regular stuff
Let us please please please not talk about accumulating debt or dollar amounts being spent on unnecessary things,
I wouldn’t want to have a bunch of conservatives in here making your web browsing miserable when keywords like Obama, or government spending pop up in their browser searches.
And you watch way to much Micheal Moore, try reading news instead of watching a propaganda movie that made him millions.
The Bin Laden family members flown out of the country were flown out because they would have likely been targeted by angry Americans bent on revenge.
Osama Bin Laden was disowned by his family years prior to 9-11,..and in Muslim/Arabic terms that’s pretty much officially it,..period. It’s as if he didn’t exist to them anymore.
July 1st, 2009 at 6:27 amrepublicans hate facts says I’m not entirely sure
Ummm were to start?
#1 Saddam never fought commies, Iraq invaded Iran. The war began when Iraq invaded Iran on 22 September 1980, Much like they did Kuwait,..but since Iran was viewed as a greater threat to the stability of the worlds oils supply (and with Jimmy Carter at the helm we were very dependent on foreign oil, much like today) A choice was made to support Iraq,..but notice it was NOT a republican in office when that choice was made.
President: Jimmy Carter January 20, 1977 January 20, 1981
#2 Rumsfeld did not sell anyone WMD that’s absurd and doesn’t support a liberal argument very well.
#3 I would be willing to bet a great many liberals had wished you didn’t post.
July 1st, 2009 at 6:50 amSee ya tomorrow folks I’m starting to enjoy this here web forum thingy.
And remember, no need for personal attacks :-)
July 1st, 2009 at 7:00 amThank you..
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