So satisfaction has nothing to do with staying with my current insurer…

History is on my side, barfly. You want to chide anyone for claiming the House dems aren’t as bad as the Senate dems.

Really? That’s your position and disagreement?

Because the House dems have already sold us out by removing single payer, there’s really not much defending you can do. The bill is and will be industry-conciliation, as I said. In fact, it already is since the industry stands to not only benefit, but collect subsidies in the dems effort to “require” (read enforce) all people to purchase insurance.

Insurers do not embrace all of the healthcare restructuring proposals. But they are fighting hard for a purchase requirement, sweetened with taxpayer-funded subsidies for customers who can’t afford it, and enforced with fines.

Such a so-called individual mandate amounts to a huge booster shot for health insurers, which would serve up millions of new customers almost overnight.
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“I think that’s why we’ve seen the industry basically trying to play the administration’s game,” said Jane DuBose, an analyst with industry tracking firm HealthLeaders-InterStudy. “They really could be licking their chops over the potential here.”

Still, industry observers say, private insurers need the government’s help to transform some of the nation’s 45 million uninsured residents into paying customers.
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For insurers, getting “run over” would be the adoption of a so-called single-payer plan, in which the government pays all medical bills. Such a plan, though widely viewed as politically unfeasible this year, would wreak havoc on the private insurance market.
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The best way for the industry to preserve the private insurance market — and derail the campaign for a single-payer system — may be to go along with more palatable proposals on the table now, said Jeffrey Miles, a healthcare analyst and president of the Miles Organization, a Los Angeles insurance brokerage firm.

“If healthcare goes down this year, you are going to end up with single-payer care much sooner than anyone expected,” he said.

Let me clarify: You’ve already been screwed, barfly. You’re defending the House for keeping the insurance industry in control of the problem. The very people who have caused the disaster are still calling the shots, with a few marginal concessions. You’re having the dems impose, with penalties, an edict which demands that you buy into the idioti who run the insurance industry.

I’ve been looking into this for so long, I’ve forgotten, frankly, that there are still people like you who really don’t understand what is happening or what the industry-owned majority party; both House and Senate, are doing.

Grow up, barf-ly. You could not be more wrong. The House just made a huge effort to kill single payer, and to consign the public to dealing with the same monstrous private insurers for decades more.

Stupid Americans. What do they know?

barfly, if you want clarification or disagree with how something is stated, calling someone a liar is the last selection that will guarantee you a civil discourse, not to mention any furthering the discussion.

Citing an initial version of a House bill is naive.

Perhaps, if you didn’t do it repeatedly. That makes it hard to believe that your assertion isn’t an attempt to make all democrats in both houses look bad. And saying that I am naive for citing an original house bill, when we both know the conciliation process will ensure much of the house bill will remain intact, makes you look like a concern troll. We also have other posters who occasionally let their rhetoric outpace reality, and I call them on their non-objectivity as well.

I could have quessed that you’d try a reversal. Next time, don’t use overblown hyperbole. That’s the only thing I have problems with. You could have made an unassailable case, if you’d only used precise wording to get your view across. You don’t have to tar all democrats with the senate brush, which you seem to do, perhaps without realizing it. Waxman in the House isn’t going to buckle under to pressure from the Senate, and conflating the two, when that really isn’t the case, weakens your point.

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What else, that can reasonably be describe as “well”, in the context of corporations being given charters, and subsidies by the government, a.k.a. we the people, have they done “well”?

Citing an initial version of a House bill is naive. Watch what happens to that ‘resolve,’ when the Senate slices it to ribbons and sends it back to the House.

If the House fights and substantially defends their initial version (even despite their craven surrender on what the public actually wants), I’ll wholeheartedly apologize;

however,

If they capitulate to giveaways and accede to Senate additions that favor the industry, then you owe me an apology.

They’ve taken exhorbitant amounts of money for the company while returning a pittance to those who are paying the money.

I give up, you two just chew on each other while the toads laugh.

Exactly.

I think barfly is seeking to score on semantics, not reality. I’ve no love or trust for House dems after the capitulations of the past 8 years. Claiming I should not include the House dems in the majority that is slowing progress in healthcare is to, imo, claim a car isn’t a piece of sh¡t when it breaks down again and again;

…after all, the tires still have air, the windshield isn’t broken…etc. The unfortunate fact is, all that is irrelevant if the car doesn’t function properly, and the majority is still necessary to get to the destination.

yoyo

your own your own

and most of these folks call themselves christians

christianity died on the cross

profits over people the american way

“Advocates of capitalism are very apt to appeal to the sacred principles of liberty which are embodied in one maxim: the fortunate must not be restrained in the exercise of tyranny over the unfortunate” Bertrand Russell.

as the country self destructs with its cherished capitalism that americans worship at the altar at they whine about a bab economy

46 millions americans without health care insurance does not faze most americans as long as they have insurance.

folks that is capitalism in action

capitalism by its very nature creates a selfish materialistic society. ie greed is good

with communism man exploits man with capitalism it is the other way around

Well excuse me for pointing out factual inaccuracies which call into question a poster’s assertions, especially when they pertains to political issues.

I’ve been here at least as long as hanshiro, and I don’t like to see people trying to present a false case, while assuming a progressive personna. Wingnuts tell half-truths, and refuse to acknowledge inaccuracies, and I attack them as well. Hate me for my stance, I really don’t care; but this former carny has a finely attuned bullshit detector after having spent time with short-con grifters, and felons on the run, and my progressive viewpoint precludes me from remaining silent, when I see another “progressive” bullshitting the board.