Media Outlet Refuses To Run Republican TV Ad Filled With Misrepresentations Of Clean Energy Bill
Media Outlet Refuses To Run Republican TV Ad Filled With Misrepresentations Of Clean Energy Bill
This afternoon, Roanoke television station WDBJ-TV, announced they will be refusing to air a National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) ad attacking freshman Rep. Tom Perriello (D-VA), citing factual inaccuracies. The NRCC had been planning to run television ads against Democratic members of Congress, like Perriello, who voted for the Waxman-Markey clean energy economy legislation that passed last week. After receiving information about the factual inaccuracies in the ad, the station pulled it from rotation.
For any objective observer, the the ad is pulled out of thin air. The ads erroneously state that the bill will “destroy jobs” and “cost middle-class families $1,800 a year.” According to a study by the Center for American Progress, clean energy economy legislation will create 1.7 million American jobs while simultaneously addressing climate change by capping carbon dioxide emissions. The $1,800 figure used by NRCC is also made of whole cloth. The Congressional Budget Office has scored the bill and found that by 2020, the annual cost would be about $175 per household — about a postage stamp a day. An EPA estimate of the bill found similar results, projecting the cost to be about $80 to $111 per a year.
Still refusing to accept reality, the Republican leadership is instructing its members to lie about the clean energy economy bill:
– Last week, Republican whip Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA) posted a message erroneously claiming that clean energy legislation will amount to “a national energy tax of up to $3,100 on all Americans.”
– Republican leader Rep. John Boehner (R-OH) posted on his website that the clean energy bill will cost “$3,100 a year,” then modified that number to “$3,000 per household per year.”
– Republican conference chair Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN), not to be outdone, claimed the clean energy bill would be “over $4,000 a year.”
All the numbers cited by Republicans are at least seventeen times the highest possible projection by the CBO and EPA.
Clearly, Republicans opposed to the clean energy bill seem willing to justify their opposition using outright falsehoods. But fortunately, at least some stations are not willing to propagate it.
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So, Republicans will tell lies to help pad the pockets of their rich, corporate friends at the expense of regular, everyday Americans? Gee, what a surprise.
July 2nd, 2009 at 6:36 pmThis afternoon, Roanoke television station WDBJ-TV, announced they will be refusing to air a National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) ad attacking freshman Rep. Tom Perriello (D-VA), citing factual inaccuracies.
Just think… if EVERY media outlet had the guts to do the right thing, there would be no Republicans on the air AT ALL.
Which, to my mind, would be a very good thing for America.
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:03 pmThe Republicans may be running up against a big wall, and it’s called honesty.
Republicans can count on FOX to be a moth piece but when you expect the rest of the media to be a Republican moth piece, expect a little resistance.
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:03 pmIt looks like the winds are shifting and they are not in the Republicans’ direction.
Contradiction in terms, did you see the amounts, they keep going up and up…
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Last week, Republican whip Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA) posted a message erroneously claiming that clean energy legislation will amount to “a national energy tax of up to $3,100 on all Americans.”
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Republican leader Rep. John Boehner (R-OH) posted on his website that the clean energy bill will cost “$3,100 a year,” then modified that number to “$3,000 per household per year.”
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Republican conference chair Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN), not to be outdone, claimed the clean energy bill would be “over $4,000 a year.”
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An EPA estimate of the bill found similar results, projecting the cost to be about $80 to $111 per a year.
Wow how they love to scare the hell out of the American people.
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:05 pm“FACTS? FACTS? We don’t need no stinkin’ FACTS to make our point. We’re Repuglicans, we never lie. Trust us!” (fingers crossed)
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:07 pm“Lies” and “Republicans” share a special bond.
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:12 pmRuss? What the hell is Russ? Shouldn’t that be jiff? Well I suppose it doesn’t really matter since the Privacy Center is so lame that no one cares…
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:19 pmThe liberal media strikes again
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:36 pmOh sure and without this bill energy costs wouldn’t rise at all they’d stay the same. That would be a first.
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:37 pmWell only the conservative media, Fox News, went to court to be allowed to spew lies.
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:38 pmHi The Young Republican…
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:38 pmWhy do I get the feeling that our young friend doesn’t really wanna have a nice little chat?…
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:39 pmDestroy jobs ? That’s funny, two days ago, on the News hour with Jim Lehrer, they did a story on all the young men in Oklahoma abandoning jobs in the oil industry in favour of training to work on wind turbines. Seems there’s a big future and plenty of high paying jobs in wind power. There’s also a
huge potential for solar power in the southwest.
Naturally, the wingnuts think bombing mountaintops is the future.
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:39 pmWell, considering that the entire premise of the bill is based upon a falsehood…
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:44 pmPRAVDA?
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:45 pmWhat up fellas?
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:49 pmCongratulations and thank you, WDBJ-TV. May you serve as a beacon among your peers. Refusing to broadcast partisan lies is a bold stand in this era.
It’s long past time to end the pretense that BS deserves serious coverage in all media.
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:50 pmWas the ad put together by FoxNews? It’s the sort of stock-in-trade crap for which they are well known.
Repiggies will lie about anything. Sometimes, they will lie to their own detriment, just because it is a natural reflex for them when confronted with the truth.
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:51 pmIt’s amazing to me how the republicans always talk about if regulations are placed on businesses, jobs will be lost. Then they ignore the fact that over the last 30 years their party pushed, and got legislation that gave businesses tax breaks if they outsourced their efforts to china, mexico and india, viet nam, etc etc…thus losing American jobs. Ofcourse Democrats legislators are just as guilty….
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:55 pmDo you remember the Americans?
The Young Republican = typical moronic rt-wing lemming. The only people that believe that “liberal media” crap are idiots that will believe anything Limpy Limbaugh and all the rest of the Reich-wing propagandist’s say. It says they refused to air the ad because it’s a bunch of LIES. Please, don’t let those pesky facts get in the way of your opinions.
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:56 pmTim Vaculik,
We seldom agree on much but I try to give credit because you sometimes engage in topical discussion. I have to ask though, aren’t you embarrassed by the endless stream of sockpuppets? Doesn’t the sheer ignorance and idiocy make you cringe?
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:56 pmthis bill will make trillions of jobs created by republican administrations vanish. poof. gone. and my electricity rate will go from a cheap .11 pkwh to an opressive .115.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:01 pmYa know, immature republican, I’ll bet people in North Korea, China, or Cuba would be jubilant if they ever got a liberal
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:02 pmmedia.
the liberals will force us to listen to journey cd’s.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:03 pmHi the great GOPsby
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:04 pmHitler would be proud!
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:07 pmEgad! I thought that sockpuppet got lost in the dryer. See what I mean, Tim Vaculik? Do you really want this kind of idiot making your points for you?
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:09 pmProud is Hitler? This whole time I thought Proudwas just another one of your pretend characters…
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:09 pmYou would know.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:09 pmdbadass Says:
Hi the great GOPsby
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Hi how are you!
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:10 pmTim Vaculik my man. How have you been? pete has a point. How do you feel about the little posers?
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:11 pmThis afternoon, Roanoke television station WDBJ-TV, announced they will be refusing to air a National Republican
Taken right from hitler’s, lil kimmie and a-jads play book.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:12 pmlibs use energy to kill babies!
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:12 pmOdd choice of tactic to fight such a bill, don’t you think?
One would think an effective way to oppose a bill based on a “falsehood” would be to expose that falsehood — not to espouse other falsehoods.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:13 pmHi how are you!
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:13 pm–Moderately neato and thanks for asking. Now about this Journey thing. What are you trying to say?
pete,
Well, there’s enough sock puppets on both sides to start a good-sized traveling comedy show.
This media thing is just a sideshow to the main event anyway. I am more worried that as Americans we have collectively taken our eye off the ball, so to speak.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:13 pmRepublicans Love Facts
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you’re making me hot, hunky boy!
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:14 pmHitler would be proud of the GOP. Racial, national, and religious “purity”? Contempt for charity, gentleness, and intellectualism? Preemptive war?
Yep. Hitler would be real proud of the GOP. But he would also be embarrassed because they turned into whiny little b!tches when things go against them. Hitler would have knocked some heads rather than whine about having his toys taken away.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:14 pmlibs use energy to kill babies!
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July 2nd, 2009 at 8:14 pmYou talk funny talk. Why do you do so?
Way to go! ***Roanoke television station WDBJ-TV***
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:15 pmTim Vaculik
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:15 pmWhich ball would that be?
And another troll checks in with support for lying to the American public in support of a political agenda.
Please register your surprise with the clerk.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:15 pmWell all good on Roanoke WDBJ-TV! If only more media outlets rejected the Republican Party lies.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:15 pmi never take my eyes off the balls!
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:15 pmClearly, Republicans opposed to the clean energy bill seem willing to justify their opposition using outright falsehoods.
And?
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:16 pmdbadass,
I’ve been stressed of late. Between all the mischief being perpetrated in Washington and my daughter accepting a proposal for marriage, I don’t know WHICH way to turn.
I’ve been playing the lottery more lately…
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:16 pmlibs use energy to kill babies! !??! Oh and so Cons use energy to kill adults?
Can you name these “babies”? Because we can name the adults.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:16 pmProgressives need to take charge of this climate legislation debate.
Here is a must read article about framing the argument.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=2002
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:17 pmdbadass Says:
You talk funny talk. Why do you do so?
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because it’s clean!
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:17 pmNiiiiiice cop-out, Timmeh.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:18 pmTim Vaculik:
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:18 pmBill Bennett thinks gambling is immoral. Oh what a minute…Just watch Meet the Fockers and you’ll chillout…
Dbadass,
You might have missed my major rant the other day just after the House of Representatives passed the climate bill.
The eloquence and analysis was IMPECCABLE!
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:19 pmbecause it’s clean!
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July 2nd, 2009 at 8:19 pmOh not that is interesting because to the reader it just reads as childish and annoying…
Between all the mischief being perpetrated in Washington and my daughter accepting a proposal for marriage
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it looks like you’re not buying the propaganda but i can’t say the same for your daughter!
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:19 pmRalph,
I’m judst clearing my throat… hang on
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:19 pmthe d is lowecase Tim…
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:20 pmdbadass, my take on the great GOPsy is that he’s a particularly committed parody troll. Sometimes breaks character but is pretty consistent otherwise.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:20 pmstuffy throat? i recommend acid rain.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:22 pmthanks ralph. I hope you are well. Isn’t parody supposed to be funny?
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:22 pmThis one is an acquired taste, dbadass. Relies more on a consistent parodic tone than actual jokes.
Still, point taken.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:25 pmperrylello should be gone in two years with the right dose of voter harassment, particularly the skirt broads at Uva!
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:26 pmNow, to the topic.
Not that I care tremendously (although a little voice in my head says I should) this trend with the media is quite disturbing.
Which trend you ask? I’m talking about the trend AWAY from journalism, objectivity, balance and godd old-fashioned reporting!
Since when has the media been annointed arbiters of OPINION? What are political advertisements anyway if not major statements of OPINION, regardless if its left, center or right?
What the h@#* is happening here???
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:26 pmThe Republican Party has been on a roll – all the way to disaster! Thank goodness more people are seeing through all their lies.
With all of the people out of work in America – you’d think Rethuglicans would be for creating green jobs to replace all of the manufacturing jobs they’ve allowed to be shipped overseas! But then again, it’s Republicans first country later!
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:27 pmActually ralph I am more interested in The Young Republican. Seems the little fella is a bit shy. Still a potentially fascinating subject don’t you think?
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:28 pmWhy not take that up with Rupert, Tim?
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:30 pmFurther, despite the myopia of the left, they and their enablers are just as guilty as the right when it comes to SPIN.
Spin… now there’s a topic worthy of analysis. Isn’t it great? Instead of wringing our hands, we should be CELEBRATING the art of political SPIN!!!
I ask you. where else in the world can you have such FREEDOM? America IS freedom!
Chill out folks, conservatives as well as Republicans are NOT your enemy.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:31 pmdbadass,
You keep your claws off that young Republican!
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:32 pmTim Vaculik:
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:32 pmYour style seems to have evolved since last. Who are my enemies Tim?
Woah! The Repug side of the House & Senate must be reeking with the smell of burning pants. Ug.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:33 pmdbadass,
You know, I should drink more of the Hefenweizens before I blog…
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:33 pmBut, Timmeh. A unsolicited paid advertisement is not news. It would be wrong for the station to turn down interviews but they are obligated, or they should be, to impose a certain standard of truth on paid ads.
This ad contained items that are demonstrably untrue. I don’t care who commissions it, I expect public broadcasters to pull such ads, just like if they claimed laying down in traffic cures cancer.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:33 pmif you get paid to work, you already have a green job. what liberals are doing is reinventing the wheel. republicans invented the green jobs hundreds of years ago. the more green you take to the bank, the greener your job.
the only stuff that isn’t green is the gunk in the sky after a ride home in the suv (suave in french) after a green day’s work. don’t worry about that. pay no attention.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:34 pmThey are lies. Why is it no one wants to use the real words? Not misstatements, not falsehoods, lies. Heaven knows we would not want to offend liars by calling them liars. We must be polite to the liars. While they can damage the country by lying. This freshman is simply doing what his party always does. And he is earning it early.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:37 pmpete,
C’mon, now… “demonstrably untrue?”
Surely you are not advocating the marginalization of all dissent from the annointed one’s agenda, right?
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:37 pmwhy do we need reform? why not leave the stratification system in place so hunks like me, tim, young republican, and rlf can shine through the city on a hill?
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:37 pmdbadass,
Well, I wasn’t referring to you specifically. It’s just that a lot of people who post here seem to think (erroneously) that Republicans are the devil’s spawn and that they are responsible for every bad thing that now befalls us as a nation.
MAJOR case of putting on the blinders in my opinion…
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:40 pmSomeone enlighten me if possible…
WHY has TP not blogged on the situation in Hoinduras? THis is a major story with a lot of ramifications, especially since it has revealed even more about our President’s sympathies with regards to Marxist dictators.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:43 pmThere again, Timmeh. Your guy GOPsby and the other sockpuppets are making your side sound like morons, not to mention the veiled insult of your daughter, sometimes they are downright treasonous. I’m not trying to convert you and don’t want to cost you any troll cred but, don’t you ever want to tell the silly, irrelevant, and completely illogical trolls to STFU?
Heck! I don’t like singling anyone out but I’ve asked a couple of liberals to STFU and most of the rest of us have as well. Are you just so programed that you can’t admit anyone on your side can also be a jackass?
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:44 pmRHF,
Save yourself some keystrokes, bud. I have scrolled past your posts without a glance for some time now.
I see you address me and I scroll past
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:45 pmWTF???
How do you get from pete’s comment to suggesting that pete “advocates the marginalization of all dissent”???
That’s just weird.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:47 pmpete,
Well, my opinion is that they are entitled to their opinion and I don’t see why it is any reflection on me. We are individuals with our own opinions.
Put another way, folks who have a different opinion than the majority of folks on this blog are not a monolithic bloc any more than you folks are.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:47 pmYeah, well, if I were to create a similar straw man, I’d claim that it was a major case of putting on the blinders, too.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:51 pmTim Vaculik
What is happening is a total rejection of Republican style fascism by Americans. Americans simply will not tolerate a fascist theocracy ever again.
The Republican Party will continue to lose representatives at all levels of government until they cease to exist.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:52 pmWell, what GOPsby doesnt understand about money is that peoples ‘work’ doesnt create money as its lent into existence by the private Fed which did no ‘work’ to create that money. Your working to pay off a debt you never agreed to. Its debt peonage and that system was not invented by republicans it was invented by crooks intent on stealing all the fake ‘green’ they create by depleting your ‘battery’
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:53 pmralph,
O.K., I can be a little cryptic at times I’ll admit. What I meant was that Pete argued it was a matter of facts whereas I maintain it was opinions.
Whenever I hear folks start talking about “settled science”, or “the facts” alarm bells go off.
I think if folks were honest they would have to admit that people of ALL political persuasions cite information that supports their cause!
I just think it’s a dangerous trend when media outlets engage in limiting information based upon their own biases.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:56 pmPerhaps the stories aren’t clear? What happened, as near as I can figure, is that an ad was aired that contained fabricated, falsified, and discredited data. When the station found out they pulled it. Like I said, it’s the same duty they have to protect consumers from false claims about unsafe products.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:56 pmLevi,
You should study your history, my friend. Historically, Fascism is more likely to arise out of SOCIALIST left-wing ideology as opposed to conservative principles.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:57 pmI still don’t see how you jump from pete’s insistence on facts to him “advocating the marginalization of all dissent”.
It’s still just weird.
That’s a different thing than making shit up.
So you don’t think the media should have ANY standards regarding truthful content in political ads it runs?
Sounds like all someone would have to do is claim it as “opinion” and you’re cool with a flat-out lie.
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:59 pmpete,
Do you watch MSNBC and the other alphabet soup networks? If so, certainly you have taken issue with the “news” they present, right?
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:00 pmIf the neoCons were saying “It will cost each household $175 (to use the highest reliable estimate) per year, and we think that’s wrong,” that would be an opinion.
But what they are saying is “It will cost each household $3,000 (to use the lowest discredited number) per year, and we think that’s wrong,” and that is a lie.
It’s really not a big moral or philisophical dilemma to discern between the two.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:02 pmralph,
C’mon! Do you actually believe that anyone or any institution has produced an accurate estimate of the cost of this bill?
We are still in the realm of SWAG at this point, so it’s disingenuous to all of a sudden say that one set of numbers is “factual” and another estimate is not!!!
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:03 pmWhere the hell is that Young Republican? Is the Young Republican a fraud or is the Young Republican a pussy?
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:04 pmTim, you are wrong.
The Republican Party is a fascist organization which is easily proven based on the 14 defining characteristics of fascism.
Modern American Republicans are very closely associated with fascism on 12 of the 14 characteristics, and somewhat closely with the other 2.
You may want to deny it, but Republicans have adopted fascism, and Americans are going to vote them out of power, forever.
Welcome to reality.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:05 pmSpeaking of facts, why is it that the EPA report that has been supressed isn’t considered right along with other facts and opinionsd about climate change, hmmmmmm?
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:06 pmxisitrus, i remain firmly behind the federal reserve. they provide independent analysis and control of the most beautiful piece of paper i have ever witnessed! i trust them will all of my sweat and tears! except that time they got reagan’s wonderful economic growth off to a rough start!
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:07 pmThe wingnuts seem desperate to change the subject….
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:07 pmTim Vaculik
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:07 pmI was busy making a groovy veggie quesadilla, have you applied your premise to the FOX network yet or just MSNBC or whatever. There is a simple solution Tim. Cut the cable. It really isn’t that hard and it gives you so much more time to read books…
Tim has no idea what socialism or fascism is.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:08 pmLevi,
FYI – you have received an “F” on your homework assignment.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:08 pmTim,
The children do not give out grades to adults.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:09 pmAmericasBack,
Hitler’s Germany is one example. What party did Hitler belong to?
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:10 pmTim,
You can wiggle and squirm all you want, but it won’t change the reality that the fascist Republican Party is washed up politically in America.
You fascists had your chance and you failed. Now it’s time for you to sit down and shut up.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:13 pmOkay, Timmeh — you’ve just blown any credibility you have built up here today.
Perhaps YOU should study history — specifically, the historical elements of fascist regimes.
Facsism is directly opposed to socialism, as it protects corporate interests, intertwines religion and the ruling elite and disdains intellectualism. Sound familiar?
Mussolini himself said, “Fascism, which was not afraid to call
itself reactionary…does not hesitate to call itself illiberal and
anti-liberal”
You can argue all you want, but most scholars of history and politics place fascism on the far right of the political spectrum.
And you just make yourself look foolish when you try to sell that Doughy Pantload crap.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:14 pmLevi,
You need to read Jonah Goldberg’s expertly written and researched book, Liberal Fascism.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:15 pmTim Vaculik, lying is not “spin”.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:15 pmTim,
Just because Hitler’s fascist nazi party had the word “socialist” in it, does not mean it was a socialist party.
You have been getting your information from propaganda outlets Tim. You need a lot more education to cure your ignorance.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:15 pmTim Vaculik, before you start another red herring about the EPA report. I think you should check out Real Climate.com and then get back to us.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:16 pm1. I’m guessing the piece of paper talked about is not the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence, considering the fascist dullard who made the comment.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:16 pm2. We’re bailing out half the country as a direct result of “reagan’s wonderful economic growth.” By portraying it in this way, one can surmise that the writer is either A. A pampered trust-fund baby from one of America’s robber-baron families, or B. really, really stupid.
Anyone who cites Jonah Goldberg as a credible source has relinquished any right to be taken seriously.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:19 pmTim,
I most certainly do not have to read a book based on fascist wingnut propaganda.
Tim, you are clearly much to uneducated to use the internet.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:19 pmPlease turn off your computer and go finish your homework.
Tim, you mean the Jonah Goldberg that every History Professor trashed for writting junk, that was based in no facts? That Jonah Goldberg?
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:21 pmdbadass,
You left me for a Quesadilla? I am devastated.
I haven’t eaten a thing yet, but my wife’s on the way home so while you rub your tummy, I will be downstairs gnawing on the chair!
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:21 pmI see timmy has his head up his a$$ again. If he had paid attention to anything in a history class he would have known that Hitler was a VERY right wing dictator.
He is using the word “Socialist” in the NAZI name to mean socialism in the economic sense. Typical conservative un-intellectual idiot.
Timmy, go take a course in economics and see what socialism really is.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:21 pmTim must’ve failed history.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:21 pmLevi,
O.K., then at least you and the other know-nothings should visit http://www.wikipedia.com
!!! Nuff, said.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:25 pmLittle timmy probably thinks that East Germany, or it’s official title “German Democratic Republic” was a democracy! Idiot.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:25 pmtimothy parker, your theme was the highlight of my life
A + + + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:27 pmO.K., I’m not going to spoil tonight’s Karma with all this O.T. B.S.
Peace.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:27 pmNo, angels, I think he meant the Jonah Goldberg who said that fascism and liberalism were connected because both are into organic food.
Oh, wait — that’s the same Jonah Goldberg.
Never mind.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:28 pmi thought you stuck it through thin and thin. f you. fu you. fuc you.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:28 pmOkay, let’s try another tack here:
Timmeh… you suggest that fascism is an extreme form of the Left.
So, obviously, are Communism and Socialism.
What would you say is the form that an extreme form of the Right would take, if such a thing existed?
It seems all the really bad things are leftist, hm? Is the Right simply not capable of extreme forms?
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:30 pmAB:
What I was trying to say is that Socialism is an economic theory in the same way that Capitalism and Communism are economic theories. Just because the word Socialism is used in the term NAZI doesn’t mean that NAZI Germany was a socialist country.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:32 pmNope. I don’t subscribe to cable and won’t until I can specifically exclude the corporate cable “news” channels. I’m not in the habit of paying people to lie to me.
See, here’s the thing. The cable “news” industry as a whole is consumed with non-news. On the other hand, I think that the message coming from FAUX and Reichradio is dangerous. I guess you just have to take my word for it that I would be just as outraged if Katie Couric suggested we should arm ourselves in anticipation of armed rebellion.
I would be even more concerned if members of national “liberal” organizations were snapping one by one and racking up body counts. That isn’t happening.
On the other hand, about 60 innocent American citizens have been slaughtered since the election by people with clear, if tenuous, ties to right-wing organizations who immersed themselves in right-wing ideology. And that’s the problem I have with the right-wing media. Their rhetoric is violent and their subscribers are becoming increasingly violent.
The inherent dishonesty of it all is a distant second in my objections but it’s still significant. The fact of the matter is that there are some important issues that have been politicized by ignorant people for greedy ends. Ends like ad ratings and ad dollars.
Creationism vs. evolution is a convenient example. To put it bluntly, creationism is wrong by every conceivable test. The Book of Genesis in particular is demonstrably wrong on virtually every point. And you won’t find a sane, honest, qualified scientist to say otherwise.
And yet? We still waste time in public discourse about teaching creationism in schools and many media sources shamelessly present the argument for magic in the discussion of the science.
When it comes to this ad, they made up the number without sourcing it. They got called on it and couldn’t produce proof of their claim. And, on a more general note, the right-wing never seems to remember the proposed profits for green technology. Their dire predictions are based all on “sunk cost” without consideration of the new income sources.
A coordinated effort and initial investment in hydrogen technology, for instance, could spark the next “oil boom”. A more short term investment would be increased reliance on natural gas. It’s still bad but it’s better than gasoline and every drop of petroleum we don’t burn means more for plastic and other industrial uses.
Living without gasoline will be no great trick compared to trying to live without plastic. And you won’t find any cable “news” channel who will say that. I’m glad that WDBJ-TV is, apparently, required by the FCC to pull demonstrably false paid ads. It’s another little sign that people are tired of the whining and sniping and lying for political points.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:34 pmAB:
There was an episode of “Yes, Prime Minister” (British Comedy series) where they were talking about a country and the one of the Prime Ministers aids was talking to someone from the Foreign Ministry. When asked whether or not the country was a Communist country or not, the man from the Foreign Ministry replied “It’s name is the Peoples Democratic Republic of “. The Prime Ministers aid then said “Right, it’s communist”.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:39 pmthe great GOPsby
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:41 pm—
Does it suck when no one pays attention?
AB:
He says he is a “CONSERVATIVE”, so no, I doubt he will ever have the intelligence to “get it”. Genetically impossible.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:42 pmTim said,
I went to that link, and it took me to the root page of wikipedia. Nuff said, I guess. Was there something in wikipedia you wanted to make reference to that supported your point that fascism arises out of socialism? Maybe you will post that link someday, but don’t bother.
You do know that wikipedia is not a credible source because its content is contributed to by online users so any wingnut can go there and make up anything he or she wants.
Personally I think the Republican Party has gone “all in” for fascism, and when their representation has dwindled to some critical point, they will openly revolt in civil war.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:44 pmI suggest we all remember this gem when we are tempted to take Timmy seriously again…
My stomach hurts from laughing…
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:48 pmIn other words, “Whoops, I really messed up, now I don’t know how to get out of the argumentative corner I have painted myself into, so I am cutting and running.”
What a puss!
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:52 pmdbadass Says:
Does it suck when no one pays attention?
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what do you mean? cite your sources!
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:53 pmWe aren’t talking about 1930’s Germany. That time and place is gone forever. We need to be concerned with 2009 right here. Right here and now there is a right-wing extremist movement that’s racking up a score. And they are being fueled by a right-wing media that becomes more irresponsible with each passing day.
And, once again, I challenge the stupid trolls to provide a list of those intentionally murdered by “leftists” in this country in the last 30 years.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:54 pmTim Vaculik Says:
Levi,
You need to read Jonah Goldberg’s expertly written and researched book, Liberal Fascism.
I suggest we all remember this gem when we are tempted to take Timmy seriously again…
My stomach hurts from laughing…
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Shaking the devil off and that dude that misread the quality of life data are still my favorites.Oh and ofcourse someone being damned to hell for all eternity but still this is a good one…
BTW: Is atheism a religion…
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:55 pmI haven’t eaten a thing yet, but my wife’s on the way home so while you rub your tummy, I will be downstairs gnawing on the chair!
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cool! then when she gets home you can rub your head between her dirty ass cheeks and use a boar as a sex toy!
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:56 pmYes I did read it, AmericasBack, and good post back at you.
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July 2nd, 2009 at 9:57 pmJeffrey A. Marks
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You know, I have taken on several of the wingnutty trolls here on TP since I arrived, but I had never really confronted Timmy, although I had heard so many others criticizing him. He is a typical, ignorant, wingnut troll.
Timmy is a propagandist for the fascist, theocratic Republican Party. He is not here to learn or think, he is here to spread propaganda to everyone, even those who despise everything Republicans represent.
Fortunately Bush and Cheney did to America exactly what the Japanese did at Pearl Harbor. They have awakened the sleeping giant whose vengeance shall be terrible.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:57 pmatheism is a sign that you’re an absolute worthless whore for a human. you might as well be a f-ucking ragdoll.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:58 pmThank FSM, no. I prefer to call it being “religion-free”!
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:58 pmi think you’re a source of sausage manure.
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:59 pmI see what you mean, Levi. On the other hand, Timmeh is a pleasure compared to the sockpuppet patrol.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:00 pmcool! then when she gets home you can rub your head between her dirty ass cheeks and use a boar as a sex toy!
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I would like to know the meaning of this post. Is it intended to be insulting? Amusing? Attention getting
I would like to offer the great GOPsby the next ten minutes to please explain the reasoning behind this post?
After that I would encourage you all to offer your thoughts.
thanks…
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:01 pmdbadass Says:
BTW: Is atheism a religion…
Is bald a hair color? :)
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:02 pmFunny, I didn’t know sausages gave manure. Is it good for organic sausage gardening?
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:02 pmDo enlighten us GOPsby…
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:03 pmatheism was code for ‘party at 5PM’ at that interior department frathouse where the oil leasing specialists we’re humping each other mercilessly. there must be a fine family of rabbits out of of that escapade on the way to add to the interior.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:05 pmIf I may quibble. I don’t think that fascism, per se, is the real threat. It’s just one small brand of totalitarianism. It doesn’t matter what ideology is exploited. Communism, capitalism, monarchies, “conservative” movements and “liberal”, all have produced totalitarian regimes.
One way to look at the last eight years is that we actually survived a totalitarian regime and did it without civil strife. We are no where near out of the woods but that’s no small accomplishment. One could argue that the safeguards built into the system worked.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:07 pmmore than 4 minutes has passed
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:08 pmbite where? not on my wagger, athiest practioner! atheism promotes presidential cok wagging. when monica lewinsky takes a course in atheism she passes with flying colors.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:09 pmGOPsby, don’t give up your day job. You’ll never make it as a comic.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:09 pmOops! I should have added; “facsism is just a scary word to most of the Reichwhiners”.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:10 pmPete,
The sockpuppets aren’t any fun because they won’t even try to discuss anything with you.
Timmy didn’t really present anything that a thousand other trolls haven’t already tried to pull. Not much of a challenge really, but it’s a subject I feel I know a great deal about.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:10 pmfor every psalm of atheism is the liberal use of 17 waggers.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:11 pmThe thought did occur to me that we successfully voted fascism out of power without strife. That may be the entire point of Democracy.
People know evil when they see it, and they usually vote against it.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:13 pmthe great GOPsby why did you post such offensive stuff toward another’s loved one?
Time is basically up and I will most likely let loose
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:13 pmlast chance the great GOPsby…
notice the tp link says death-energy-lie. what a perfect description of this lumpish rule book for america! since when do i follow the ucking rules? i make the rules. i am my own majority. i go get donuts with the suv and do donuts with my suv.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:13 pmYes,Prime Minister. Falty Towers. Red Dwarf. Black Adder. Dr. Who. I can keep going… Now this is TV that Entertains and makes you think. This “Reality” crap and Fake news nowadays. Meh..not so much.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:15 pmis she a loved one or is she simply good for noting the distance between the kitchen and the bedroom?
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:16 pmLevi,
You’ll get no argument there. I just picture Timmeh as being a little less wild-eyed and frothing at the mouth than the recent batch of sockpuppets.
Alas, as the implosion continues, there are fewer who are willing or able to make cogent arguments about, well, anything. And the sad fact is that the remaining dregs aren’t likely to change much. We’re seeing a very fast form of natural selection in the way the GOP is driving out the “impure” when they have already suffered a huge loss in numbers.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:18 pmanswer dbadass. the problem with you is that i am nicer to you than a person who drops a cinderblock on a bystander and this is how you repay me???
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:18 pmAmericasBack Says:
I’m on ignore. You all in?
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please don’t. i’m sincerely begging you.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:19 pmI’m on ignore. You all in?
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July 2nd, 2009 at 10:20 pmI say we offer an opportunity for an additional 10 minutes for an explaination. I think this shows an honest opportunity for this matter to be solved easily. After that I think it is obvious that this individual doesn’t even the dignity of a list…
timmy was talking dirty and i thought of doing the same. please don’t interrogate me!
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:21 pmOn the other hand, it is kind of sad when someone has to invent invisible friends in order to find someone in agreement. I bet this one has put on some grand productions with his dolls.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:22 pmick, now it’s begging. I’m in too.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:22 pmI been in awhile now. dbadass, I know you mean well..but as far as I am concerned. It is a lost cause.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:23 pmNot only in voting numbers, but I think they will actually die out. Can you picture having relations with someone who thought like that? Ew.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:25 pmOf course, we all know our trolls never get any. It’s all hypothetical to them, like Timmy’s wife and daughter.
It makes an interesting test subject but engaging it is futile. Just like other lower animals, the most interesting observations of the full-blooded troll are always achieved without human intervention.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:27 pmick, now it’s begging. I’m in too.
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you never acknowledged me in the first place! you’re a follower in life!
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:28 pmOf course, we all know our trolls never get any.
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you. did. not. have. sexual. relations. with. that. boar.
(sure you didn’t!)
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:30 pmpete Says:
It makes an interesting test subject but engaging it is futile. Just like other lower animals, the most interesting observations of the full-blooded troll are always achieved without human intervention.
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you did say you envied abortion and hated disfigured babies.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:32 pmSo what do you all think will be the next name? Close the pod doors on this POS…
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:32 pmsame name, wonderful human being.
i want to have a debate about healthcare reform – my treat!
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:34 pmwhat’s wrong with covering the man who flourished under reagan?
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:35 pmI don’t know, SKdeAnt. From the first time I saw Ronnie Raygun humping Fallwell’s leg I’ve been saying, “o.k. now the sane people will take over”. I still find the rise of the religious right in amazement. And, while there are some encouraging signs and they are isolating themselves, I’m not quite ready to count them out yet.
I think we will see the GOP contract into the small, but loud, extremists. It will take time but, if trends continue, we might even see a third party. And the way things are going the remaining GOoPers, regardless of what they call their party, aren’t going to be even a distant 2nd. But I don’t see them going extinct any time soon.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:38 pmand you know what they say about ignorance.
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AmericasBack is pictured next to the definition?
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:39 pmshut yer yap, minnesota-lounging, birkenstock-wearing, judgmental baby killer.
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:41 pmwho’s the winner now?
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:44 pmMe…
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:53 pmIf you don’t believe me ask Jeffboste. Now please move along…
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:54 pmLOOK, NOTHING THAT YOU SAY OR DO WILL CHANGE THE MINDS OF THE RIGHT WING NUT CASES. THEY ARE HERE TO CREATE NOTHING MORE THAN A FASCIST STATE. THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO DEAL WITH THE ENEMY IN WAR, AND THIS IS A WAR. IT IS TIME TO TAKE THE GLOVES OFF AND DO AWAY WITH THESE PEOPLE AND THEIR INSTITUTIONS.
July 3rd, 2009 at 12:16 amJim Jordan uses the same exact faulty numbers. (R-OH) (LINK) Sickening.
July 3rd, 2009 at 12:20 amKudos to WDBJ-TV for refusing MONEY to broadcast deliberate misinformation ( i.e. lies, propaganda, corporate manipulation, ect.). Standing up to a PAC like this is a testament of integrity over greed.
We should not tolerate censorship or corruption in the media. It became policy after 9/11 and we accepted it. Now we know there are more important things than Homeland Security. There is no freedom without truth and liberty.
JMOHR: If the impotency of the right wing’s beliefs are revealed in the light of truth, as in this story, people will finally see the real wizards behind the curtain.
July 3rd, 2009 at 1:31 amWhat a sorry state we’re in.
A single television station refuses to air the latest batch of Republican lies…and it is literally headline news.
Heritage Foundation report reveals Torture is GOOD for You.
July 3rd, 2009 at 6:15 amNational Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC)—-busted.
July 3rd, 2009 at 9:35 amGlobal warming dissent is being squashed by the liberal fascists.
There are more than 700 scientists who disagree with the U.N. — 13 times the number who authored the U.N.’s 2007 climate summary for policymakers.
… more than 100 PhDs who signed on to this statement:
July 3rd, 2009 at 11:54 am
If only we could write these people off as neanderthal crackpots, but there is too much at stake and no time left. The true legacy of the Bush administration will not be Iraq and the economic meltdown, it will be the lost years in the fight against climate change.
Bush, bought and paid for by Saudi Arabia and Big Oil, gagged NASA and Big Science, and it will be a long time before minor right wing stooges like those above figure that out, if they ever do. Moreover, these politicians represent constituencies where possibly a majority of the voters don’t really believe in the possibility of global warming as they don’t believe in evolution [ only about 40% of Americans do].
If the costs of removing CO2 from the atmosphere after it has been produced by vehicles and power stations are factored into the operating costs then solar, wind and other renewable energy sources can easily be shown to be viable. They would save the taxpayer money! There is, of course, no practical way to remove the excess CO2 that has been pumped out since the industrial revolution and our only hope of avoiding further climate change is to do what was voted for last week, and lots more of it as fast as possible. What price human survival?
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July 5th, 2009 at 2:21 pm“Most problematic is the CBO’s complete omission of the economic damage resulting from restricted energy use. As footnote 3 on page 4 of the CBO analysis reads, “The resource cost does not indicate the potential decrease in gross domestic product (GDP) that could result from the cap.” Source http://www.heritage.org/Research/EnergyandEnvironment/wm2503.cfm
If you pride yourselves on being fully informed, you can read a liberal think tank’s appraisal as well: http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/events/2009/0608_climate_change_economy/20090608_climate_change_economy.pdf
July 6th, 2009 at 10:09 am