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The ONLY reason Social Security is in trouble is because “borrowing ” has been allowed for other projects, NOT because of mismanagement. Perhaps by taking the good of other country’s health plans and creating our own we can avoid the problems. But people something has to happen. Otherwise the in between incomes will just die for lack of any healthcare. By in between we all understand too rich for Medicaid and too poor for the high price private insurance.

Doesn’t anyone else get angry that taxpayers pay 2/3rds of the premiums for Senators and Reps ? They pay LESS than anyone and get better care.

Misscoleopteramolly, the point I’m trying to make is not “why” its done better that is a whole topic by itself. We agree that it is better…and has been for some time. Government knows that there is a problem but thinks the answer as it does with every answer, it to throw money at the problem and it will be fixed. What kind of horror show are we in for when they take over health care? I have family that live in Canada and I can tell you they ain’t too happy.
Not to mention the bang up job they’ve done with social security, medicare that our children are responsible for in the amount of almost 100 trillion dollars. That is just insane. Let’s get something clear everyone here can call me neo this and troll that…I’m not happy with the job done by anyone at all. I’m just as amazed how many people will blindly follow one person as another.

must have missed this earlier….Post 41
barfly Says:

You’re chasing your own tail.

hey dopey look at the date of the article.

I thought the prevailing mythos was that if an elephant saw a mouse it would react in horror ?

But we are talking in terms of being efficient as well as overall results. So how can public schools justify the cost of education per pupil versus private education. Private schools do it cheaper and better. Carry that over to almost every thing our government runs and I think you can start to see why some of us are so skeptical of public health care.
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1) The reason private schools can operate “cheaper” is because they get to cherry-pick their students. They don’t have to take anybody who’s going to cost a lot, such as a student with learning disabilities, a physically handicapped student, or a student with emotional problems who’s disruptive. Public schools have to accept all these students and teach them.

2) The reason private schools can operate “better” — that is, provide better results, is (again) because they can pick and choose the students they want. And the ones who get chosen tend to be the achievers. Non-achievers get kicked out.

3) Another reason why private schools operate as cheaply and as well as they do is that (for the most part), they are non-profit entities. If they operated with the objective of making a profit, you would see lots of corners cut and tuitions going sky-high. Pretty much what has happened to private health insurers.

4) If we didn’t have public schools, would private schools pick up the slack? Or would we have millions of uneducated people? We have public schools and insist that every child have access to a basic education because we can see the benefit of an educated populace. Employers like the idea of a labor pool filled with people who know how to read and do math. If private schools committed themselves to making themselves available to every child, would we need public schools? Ditto health care. Society is better off with healthy people than with sick people, just as it’s better off with educated people than ignorant people. If private insurance companies focused less on their profits and more on finding ways to make sure everybody could get affordable health insurance, we wouldn’t even be discussing the need for a public health plan. But they don’t. So we are.

Don’t you just love these law-and-order repiggies and their utter devotion to “democracy” around the world?

The dumb twat is probably hoping for something similar here in the U.S.
He is a dominionist evangelical who has said that the Bible should take the place of the U.S. Constitution.

These insurance companies get premiums automatically paid by the government from Social Security, then more premium to ensure coverage Medicare might not pay. The Humana company charges full retail cost of drugs against the yearly alloted even tho they pay a discounted price to the pharmacy. How dishonest is that. The Humana rep even agreed it was crooked but oh well.

Anyone against a better health insurance plan is either uneducated or a lobbyist which is the same as Bernie Maddoff.

These insurance companies get premiums automatically paid by the government from Social Security, then more premium to ensure coverage Medicare might not pay. The Humana company charges full retail cost of drugs against the yearly alloted even tho they pay a discounted price to the pharmacy. How dishonest is that. The Humana rep even agreed it was crooked but oh well.

Anyone against a better health insurance plan is either uneducated or a lobbyist which is the same as Bernie Maddoff.

You haven’t proved diddly beyond calling people liars, barf-ly. Here’s the evidence that you’re already screwed, as I said:

History is on my side, barfly. You want to chide anyone for claiming the House dems aren’t as bad as the Senate dems.

Really? That’s your position and disagreement?

Because the House dems have already sold us out by removing single payer, and installing the same greedy incompetence to handle the “new” sh¡t sandwich. There’s really not much defending you can do. The bill is and will be industry-conciliation, as I said. In fact, it already is since the industry stands to not only benefit, but collect subsidies in the dems effort to “require” (read force) all people to purchase from private insurers.

Insurers do not embrace all of the healthcare restructuring proposals. But they are fighting hard for a purchase requirement, sweetened with taxpayer-funded subsidies for customers who can’t afford it, and enforced with fines.

Such a so-called individual mandate amounts to a huge booster shot for health insurers, which would serve up millions of new customers almost overnight.
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“I think that’s why we’ve seen the industry basically trying to play the administration’s game,” said Jane DuBose, an analyst with industry tracking firm HealthLeaders-InterStudy. “They really could be licking their chops over the potential here.”

Still, industry observers say, private insurers need the government’s help to transform some of the nation’s 45 million uninsured residents into paying customers.
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For insurers, getting “run over” would be the adoption of a so-called single-payer plan, in which the government pays all medical bills. Such a plan, though widely viewed as politically unfeasible this year, would wreak havoc on the private insurance market.
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The best way for the industry to preserve the private insurance market — and derail the campaign for a single-payer system — may be to go along with more palatable proposals on the table now, said Jeffrey Miles, a healthcare analyst and president of the Miles Organization, a Los Angeles insurance brokerage firm.

“If healthcare goes down this year, you are going to end up with single-payer care much sooner than anyone expected,” he said.

Let me clarify: You’ve already been screwed, barfly. You’re defending the House for keeping the insurance industry in control of the problem. The very people who have caused the disaster are still calling the shots, with a few marginal concessions. You’re having the dems impose, with penalties, an edict which demands that you buy into the idioti who run the insurance industry.

I’ve been looking into this for so long, I’ve forgotten, frankly, that there are still people like you who really don’t understand what is happening or what the industry-owned majority party; both House and Senate, are doing.

Grow up, barf-ly. You could not be more wrong. The House just made a huge effort to kill single payer, and to consign the public to dealing with the same monstrous private insurers for decades more.

You’re basically defending the guys who’ve sold you out without you realizing it. Bravo, sucker!

Show me a young earth creationist with a Phd? I’ll show you a wasted education. What a pathetic waste of human resources it is to turn out educated imbeciles. If we could magically disintegrate every church “school” in the country I have a sneaking suspicion that our country would be a much better place within the twelve years it takes for a generation of students to pass through primary and secondary school.

jrzguy Says:

But we are talking in terms of being efficient as well as overall results. So how can public schools justify the cost of education per pupil versus private education. Private schools do it cheaper and better.

Public schools have to provide educational services to every qualified student.

Private schools don’t have to accept handicapped students, they don’t have to provide mandated programs, they don’t have to follow school lunch guidelines, they can expel a disciplinary case for sneezing in class if they want to.

It’s a streamlined system in a lot of ways, wholly unsuitable for the broader societal goal of universal education.